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---Logopened Tue Aug 28 00:00:50 2012
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00:09<eightyeight>http://ae7.st/p/49m
00:09<eightyeight>error trying to do anything via apt
00:09<eightyeight>that pastebin is from trying to reinstall the 'zabbix-agent' package per the output
00:10<eightyeight>i can't apt-get install or remove anything currently
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00:10<eightyeight>meh, and i'm in the wrong channel
00:10<eightyeight>should be #debian-next
00:10<eightyeight>sorry
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00:21<crunchbang>anyone know how to install compiz in crunchbag linux?
00:21<nevyn>!cb
00:21<nevyn>!crunchbang
00:21<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
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00:22<crunchbang>ok thank you
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00:32<owen>@qboster : I believe you can create either asound.src file within /etc if you are using alsa and set default hardware
00:32<owen>Sorry, asound.conf
00:33<owen>Or you can create .asoundrc within ~/
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00:37<qboster>owen, what is the format of asound.conf?Is that any documentation method it? I found alsaconf has be removed
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00:59<Guest4697>hello
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01:08<owen>qboster, I would try creating it and then follow this article: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026
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01:08<nevyn>qboster: so.. I have 3 soundcards which I use for various stuff..
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01:08<nevyn>and remove and add on the fly
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01:09<owen>You will need the slot number of your USB card
01:10<nevyn>I use pulseaudio fro this. because it solves this problem.
01:10<nevyn>asoundrc can't solve the dynamic reconfiguration problem while maintaining playback
01:10<nevyn>it requires apps be restarted to change the configuration.
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01:12<owen>ugh, I had forgotten about PA >.<
01:13<inci>hali
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01:13<nevyn>so I use it for this and it's actually awesome
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01:16<qboster>thanks, I will try it : )
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01:18<nevyn>!pulseaudio
01:18<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net.
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01:18<nevyn>see that howto
01:18<nevyn>qboster:
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01:56<zoli>szia
01:56<nevyn>mmm
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02:44<milo64>hi... can someone help me with virtual box install on debian?
02:44<ectospasm>milo64: I might be able to, but I'm just a user, like you
02:45<milo64>well... um...
02:45<milo64>i tried following the guide from www. it didn't work...
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02:47<milo64>...
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02:48<ectospasm>you need a guide?
02:49<milo64>???
02:49<milo64>yes
02:49<milo64>ectospasm, a better one. that works.
02:49<nevyn>!package virtualbox
02:49<milo64>nevyn, virtual box package does not work for me
02:50<ectospasm>milo64: you've GOT to be more specific
02:50<ectospasm>!ask
02:50<ectospasm>bots down
02:50<milo64>...
02:50<nevyn>!doesn't work :(
02:50<milo64>D:
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02:50<bones_was_here>here's a "guide" to installing virtualbox on debian, as root do: aptitude install virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms
02:51<milo64>...
02:51<bones_was_here>now there's a virtualbox item on your desktop menu :)
02:51*milo64 facepalms
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02:51<bones_was_here>lol
02:51<nevyn>so how do the packages not work for you?
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02:52<bones_was_here>not sure what i did wrong...
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02:53<bones_was_here>it doesn't even need a reboot
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---Logclosed Tue Aug 28 04:02:20 2012
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07:00<BlackFate>!tell BlackFate about udev
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07:18<TobiX>ectospasm: That is why I changed some of the blue colors a bit in urxvt...
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07:20<ectospasm>I can read it, but it doesn't jump out
07:20<TobiX>So it doesn't "pop"? ;)
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07:21<ectospasm>nor would I want it to
07:21<ectospasm>too much contrast would be detrimental
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07:33<project2501a>Debian; I'm just sayin' ...
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07:34<ectospasm>!ot
07:34<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
07:34<ectospasm>project2501a: ^
07:34<ectospasm>?
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07:50<rh002>Hello
07:50<crap>hi
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07:50<crap>anyone know something about the computer freezing? iceweasel craps out on me
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07:51<crap>freezes.... then other programs do... mouse/keyboard becomes unresponsive and I have to reboot / hit reset on the computer
07:52<Kelkundefor>How many memory you have ?
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07:58<crap>Kelkundefor, thanks for responding... I have 4GB of Mushkin
07:58<crap>DDR2
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07:59<ectospasm>crap: if you run another browser (e.g. Chromium) does it fail in the same way?
07:59<crap>run Debian Wheezy w/ kde
07:59<crap>ectospasm, haven't tried
07:59<crap>I thought Chrome/Chromium hogged more memory
07:59<crap>the observations have been with Iceweasel
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08:00<ectospasm>crap: it does, but it's faster
08:00<crap>I thought it *might* be from having too many tabs open ...but, sometimes I do and nothing happens
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08:00<ectospasm>crap: if you've got a memory problem, then Chromium will crash it that much faster
08:00<ectospasm>as a crude test
08:00<crap>anything else I can monitor memory usage? or is 'top' best?
08:00<ectospasm>free -m
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08:06<cybersphinx>crap: Install the memtest86+ package, select it on booting, if it runs without errors for a day, your ram is probably ok. Then run the prime stress test (http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/) for a day, to see if your cpu/rest runs ok.
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08:08<ectospasm>crap: and if you run through a few cycles of memtest86+ with no errors, run something like mprime to stress both hw/sw at the same time... I found a bad memory controller once that way
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08:09<ectospasm>er
08:09<ectospasm>I'm delirious
08:09<ectospasm>s,hw/sw,RAM/CPU,
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08:23<sven>which package's debconf holds the "world readable /root" option?
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08:23<crap>ok, thanks
08:23<crap>I hate running an old system... :-( DDR2 :-/
08:24<sven>ah, it's the "adduser/homedir-permission" option in package adduser
08:24<sven>(and /root has nothing to do with it)
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08:27<crap>mprime's not in the repos
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08:29<johan>how many here use kubuntu?
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09:06<zW>pfrt, i'm trying to setup unattended upgrades and I always get a IOError: [Errno 25] Inappropriate ioctl for device in my dpkg log.
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09:13<esi>bjr la room
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09:14<esi>ggfffffff
09:14<esi>what's happened
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09:15<DebianZealot>Hi chan :)
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09:53<zW>pfrt, i'm trying to setup unattended upgrades and I always get a IOError: [Errno 25] Inappropriate ioctl for device in my dpkg log.
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10:03<amdgoon>hello, the time(s) stated in the output of dmesg are not "regular" date, hour, min, etc. Is that seconds since bootup, and what is a quick way of finding the current time in the same units?
10:03<SynrG>i'm trying to set up nut on squeeze to work with a Back-UPS RS 1500. after following README.Debian, i have /etc/nut/ups.conf set up as per http://paste.debian.net/186030/ and yet /etc/init.d/nut restart fails with this in /var/log/syslog: http://paste.debian.net/186031/
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10:04<SynrG>curious that nut claims "Startup successful" at the end. this contradicts the message at the terminal when i attempt the restart:
10:04<SynrG>Restarting Network UPS Tools: (driver(s) failed) (driver(s) failed) upsd.
10:04<SynrG>presumably that's one failure for the attempted stop and one failure for the attempted start.
10:06<abrotman>amdgoon: yes and date +%s
10:07<SynrG>a casual search of the web leads me to believe nut should support this hardware. what am i missing?
10:08<amdgoon>thanks abrotman
10:08<abrotman>SynrG: sorry, haven't had to manage an UPS in ages
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10:15<memos>hello!
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10:16<DavidErnestoArriaga>i need advice
10:17<DavidErnestoArriaga>every body know how do a video streaming with debian
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10:25<berarma>DavidErnestoArriaga: look in the repositories for video streaming packages
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10:29<DavidErnestoArriaga>i used vlc but is very hard i imagine that some body used one for spend a litle time
10:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 549] by debhelper
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10:36<cefege123>I get this error when I try to update:http://pastebin.com/bPrh2Ryr
10:36<bluenemo>what is the prefered tool to cluster two physical computers into one virtual?
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10:38<berarma>cefege123: did you manually changed the configuration in /etc/default/grub?
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10:39<cefege123>berarma: I just bought a vps, installed one of the prebuild images(debian6 barebones)
10:40<lacrosse1991>@DavidErnestoArriaga depending on what you are streaming to, samba has worked well for me in the past
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10:40<grove>bluenemo: That depends a lot on what you want the cluster to do. I like the ipvs framework in the kernel
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10:40<bluenemo>basicly lots of calculations that take to long on a modern hexacore
10:40<bluenemo>so i thought about using 4 hexacores at once somehow..
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10:41<berarma>cefege123: you should ask your provider since they might have their own repositories and modified packages
10:42<cefege123>berarma: ah, I see, thanks man
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10:43<grove>bluenemo: Then you probably won't be able to use ipvs for much.
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11:01<SynrG>abrotman: that's ok. pebkac anyway. fixed
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11:02<SynrG>abrotman: nut has several steps in the readme to perform. i thought the final steps only related to user access to monitoring the device. it does not. all steps must be followed or she no workee
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11:02<SynrG>s/it does/they do/
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11:06<cefege123>how can I configure nginx to work with 2 websites?
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11:19<project2501a>hey guys, I cannot log into the wiki. can someone please fix this: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
11:19<project2501a>"It will first be working in Ubuntu Natty and Debian Wheezy as well as used exclusively in the Debian armhf port."
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11:20<project2501a>this should read as "It will first be working on Debian Wheezy as well as used exclusively in the Debian armhf port. Derivative distributions will follow."
11:20<project2501a>this should read as "It will first be working on Debian Wheezy as well as used exclusively in the Debian armhf port. Derivative distributions may or may not follow."
11:21<project2501a>that's the debian wiki and imnsho Debian should be mentioned first.
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11:28<SynrG>project2501a: there is no reason you should not be able to login to the wiki. did you register yourself?
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11:28<SynrG>project2501a: registration is required
11:29<project2501a>i do have a registered username, but i cannot auth; wiki login times otu.
11:29<project2501a>out, even
11:30<SynrG>project2501a: that would be because the wiki is down, then
11:30<SynrG>which means nobody can help you
11:30<project2501a>can you try logging in yourself, please?
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11:31<SynrG>project2501a: er, i did. hence my reply
11:32<project2501a>alright. i will try again, then
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11:33<SynrG>project2501a: also i'm investigating with the admins
11:33<bluenemo>ok i did fly over google for the last hour and it seems there are various clustering options available. what i want to do is combine several tower pc's (quad cores i guess) to build one big virtual machine that then runs our web development stuff (tests for example). which software would you advise?
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11:35<SynrG>project2501a: dns issue. you could try a temporary /etc/hosts entry 93.94.130.161 wiki.debian.org
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11:35<SynrG>project2501a: just don't forget to undo when it is fixed
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11:40<user-X>Hello. I need a little help...
11:40<BoozeWooz>heleeeeeeee-eeew
11:41<BoozeWooz>what can we help you with
11:41<user-X>I want to make some variables in system... bamboo='Wacom Bamboo 16FG 4x5', to using later with xsetwacom set "$bamboo_touch" mode relative
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11:42<BoozeWooz>uhhh
11:42<BoozeWooz>i dont really have any experience with this kind of stuf
11:42<user-X>but, variables in .config/openbox/environment not working
11:43<user-X>export <variables> not working on other terminal ?!
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11:43<BoozeWooz>im not sure :s
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11:43<BoozeWooz>i started using debian a week ago xD
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11:44<BoozeWooz>its my first linux
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11:44<berarma>!environment
11:44<dpkg>ENVIRONMENT(5) /etc/environment - file for login variables DESCRIPTION The contents of /etc/environment will be read by all standard Debian login methods. Lines are of the form variable=value (e.g. LANG=C). N.B.: this is *not* a shell script, so you cannot use lines like MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ here. Use of this file has been deprecated for locale information, use /etc/default/locale; ask me about <locales>.
11:44<SynrG>project2501a: nope. local issue with my own DNS. no idea why it should fail for you
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11:45<project2501a>probably because the local ISP is being a tosser
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11:46<user-X>dpkg: thx I ill check it
11:46<dpkg>user-X: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
11:46<user-X>th I will check it
11:47<user-X>thx*
11:47<BoozeWooz>hmpf >< this usb is borke
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11:48<project2501a>SynrG: got it, ta
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11:50<berarma>user-X: dpkg is a bot
11:51<user-X>berarma: I know it... now -_-
11:51<BoozeWooz>but hes smart
11:51<user-X>how to use him ?
11:52<BoozeWooz>!beer
11:52<dpkg>beer is, like, liquid gold mate
11:52<BoozeWooz>xD
11:52<berarma>user-X: open a private chat with it
11:52-!-ironman [~ironman@46.12.19.221.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #debian
11:52<user-X>^^
11:52<BoozeWooz>like i said, hes smart
11:52<user-X>!locale
11:52<dpkg>A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale
11:52<memos>funny dpkg .. who is your creator? :P
11:52<user-X>!author dpkg
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11:53<user-X>!author
11:53<BoozeWooz>!make
11:53<dpkg>rumour has it, make is a tool to build your project. The dependencies to build your project is specified usually in a Makefile. Makefile may have targets, which can be invoked by make targetname, e.g. make love. For more, man make. See also <makefile>.
11:53<memos>make love ... hahahaha
11:53<user-X>!debian
11:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
11:54<berarma>user-X: please, use it privately, don't spam the channel
11:54<user-X>berarma: ok, sry
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12:01<user-X>...then I can't make this variables in local file? without using root ?
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12:05<berarma>user-X: you can use .bashrc or .xinitrc/.xserverrc
12:05<berarma>user-X: I'm not sure which is the file for X
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12:06<NoradIV>Hello
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12:06<johan>tell me good softwares to download ( your top )
12:07<BoozeWooz>htop
12:07<johan>i have that :D
12:07<johan>one more or a few please BoozeWooz
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12:07<user-X>berarma: thx
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12:07<BoozeWooz>disk usage analyzer
12:08<NoradIV>I have a networking problem that I havent been able to fix. Can someone help me?
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12:08<BoozeWooz>mail notification :D
12:08<berarma>!ask
12:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:08<BoozeWooz>gmusicbrowser
12:09<BoozeWooz>disk utility
12:09<berarma>!offtopic
12:09<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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12:10<johan>gparted is better that disk utility i like it more :D
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12:11<johan>ok, sorry
12:11<BoozeWooz>theres stuff disk utility cna do and gparted cannot so i use bos
12:11<NoradIV>I have a problem assigning a static ip address on debian squeeze. When I set the ip address in the /etc/network/interface ad restartijg the service, it does not work.
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12:12<berarma>NoradIV: it's /etc/network/interfaces
12:12<kop>NoradIV: I've not played with it but it's probably a good idea to do an ifdown on the interface, modify the file, and then do an ifup. See also <doesn't work>.
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12:13<NoradIV>Tried. And i am on a cell phone, its hard to write, the fole is the good one
12:13<memos>NoradIV: which service? 'networking'?
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12:14<NoradIV>I have bwwn googling for the past 3 hours and i found nothing that work
12:14<johan>tell me your top 10 softwares
12:14<NoradIV>Yes. I did reboot the machine too
12:14<johan>or top 3
12:14<NoradIV>And network manager is not installed
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12:15<memos>'it does not work' what exactly tou mean? you can't ping other hosts ...?
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12:17<NoradIV>The machine was a debian lenny that was set to dhcp and updated to squeeze. I am now trying to set it back to static. There is apache2, mysql and dekiwiki running.
12:17<Guest4765>bye
12:17<NoradIV>I tried to stop those service before restarting the network service
12:17<NoradIV>I mean that it does not take the config from the interface file
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12:18<NoradIV>When I reload or reboot it keeps it previous ip address
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12:18<memos>check the boot parameters
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12:20<NoradIV>How do I do that? And the system is on a copied VM. I did make udev remap the network cards on first boot
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12:20<berarma>NoradIV: it would be easier to help you if you pastebin the output for ifconfig and your interfaces file
12:21<NoradIV>Eum... ok give me a sec, i am at my job on a mobile
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12:21<NoradIV>What de you need?
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12:23<NoradIV>Except the interface config?
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12:25<NoradIV>Pastebin.com/e0krRVtq
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12:27<memos>do this 'cat /proc/cmdline' and copy paste here if you want
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12:30<NoradIV> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=UUID=a2645a13-5186-44ad-ad13-3195df3910f6 ro quiet
12:30<memos>i can't see something wrong
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12:31<NoradIV>Well, me neither. This is not the first time I do this ans it does not work at all
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12:32<NoradIV>The thing is if I uninstall the dhcp client the system stop getting an address
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12:33<memos>reinstall the package ifupdown
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12:34<memos>backup th e interface configuration first
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12:36<NoradIV>The interface file?
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12:38<memos>yeap ... i was afk for a min
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12:39<NoradIV>Done
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12:39<memos>it works?
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12:39<NoradIV>The file havn't changed.
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12:40<NoradIV>Yes i had a update. Let me try ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
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12:42<NoradIV>It works! Lets check if it does survive a reboot...
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12:42<memos>nice lets see
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12:42<mart_n>any suggestion for a good twitter client for wheezy? (gwibber is not in the depot)
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12:44<NoradIV>It did work! Thank you very much. I was working on that for 5 hours... I was getting desperate... Mindtouch is a real pain
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12:44<memos>you are welcome i can understant you
12:44<user-X>NoradIV: gratz !
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12:45<NoradIV>I wish you a nice day. I have more work to do...
12:46<user-X>NoradIV: You 2, thx.
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13:03<memos>the exim4 depends on users direcotry to deliver the mail even when it is configured to keep mails in the spool or the icedove?
13:04<memos>no icedove dovecot
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13:07<user-X>how to reload /etc/environment ?
13:07<BoozeWooz>from booring
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13:11<BoozeWooz>!env
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13:17<lacrosse1991>do you guys think debian wheezy is "stable" enough to use for a non production server?
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13:17<memos>stiil needs some attention
13:17<memos>still*
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13:28<antonio>per prlre itliano
13:28<retrospectacus>!it
13:28<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:42<mart_n>Is there a room specific to wheezy (the testing distro) issues and questions?
13:42<memos>debian-next
13:43<mart_n>thank you
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13:43<memos>you are welcome
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13:59<wolfkstaag>So I'm trying to get the proprietary drivers/Catalyst installed for my Radeon HD6850 and am running into some issues. Anyone got some experience with this?
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14:00<fayaz>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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14:01<fayaz>wolfkstaag: been there. done that
14:01<wolfkstaag>I believe I've been over that, but I'll run through it again and see what I come up with.
14:02<wolfkstaag>At this point, I'm just trying to run the actual Catalyst installer from AMD. It keeps complaining that previous fglrx drivers are installed, no matter how many times I --purge
14:02<LiDaR>wolfkstaag: does lsmod show them loaded ?
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14:03<gsimmons>wolfkstaag: Are you using Debian Squeeze (6.0)? Both the free and non-free drivers don't support the Radeon HD 6800 series in this release.
14:03<wolfkstaag>Not sure, I've not run that before. What should I be looking for in the list?
14:03<wolfkstaag>gsimmons, I am. That's unfortunate to say the least. Is there anything I can do about that?
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14:06<LiDaR>wolfkstaag: i would compile my own kernel and proceed from there maybe ...
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14:08<wolfkstaag>LiDaR, That's waaaay out of my comfort zone and abilities at this point. Is there any particular reason it's not supported? It's a like a two-year-old card, isn't it?
14:08<gsimmons>wolfkstaag: With respect to the free driver, you can install the xorg backport (/msg dpkg bdo xorg), a backported kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) and install the firmware-linux-nonfree package from squeeze-backports (/msg dpkg bdo), for device support on Squeeze. I'm using these with a HD 6850 at my end.
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14:08<kerry>?
14:08<wolfkstaag>gsimmons, Oh my. Sounds extensive, but encouraging. I'll look at all of those, thanks!
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14:09<wolfkstaag>gsimmons, But that's not really going to have very good 3D support, then, is it?
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14:11<gsimmons>wolfkstaag: It's sufficient for my needs, but it may compare unfavourably to features available with the proprietary driver.
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14:14<wolfkstaag>gsimmons, And the proprietary driver is basically unavailable in Squeeze right now, for the 6850? Am I understanding that correctly?
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14:17<gsimmons>wolfkstaag: Catalyst 10.9 (fglrx-driver 1:10-9-3) does not support the Radeon HD 6800 series.
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14:45<lacrosse1991>d/win 51
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14:55<miggs>hello. on this page http://wikemacs.org/wiki/Installing_Emacs_on_GNU/Linux#Emacs_24 it says this repository has emacs24 for debian. is it true? how do i find out?
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14:56<miggs>sorry. this repository http://emacs.naquadah.org/
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14:57<sney>,checkbackport emacs
14:57<judd>Backporting package emacs in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual.
14:57<Guest4787>So much for staying on during a call.
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14:58<ansgar>,checkbackport emacs24
14:58<judd>Backporting package emacs24 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual.
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14:58<sney>miggs: so, you can just backport emacs24 to squeeze if you want, no need to mess with 3rd party repos
14:58<miggs>ok sney. thanks.
15:02<miggs>sney: could you lead me to some references on how it's made?
15:03<sney>http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
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15:27<dmitry>i installed google earth and i dont see the icon help me please
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15:27<Extraterrestrial>i think u should use gtk-update-icon-cache
15:28<Extraterrestrial>if gnome, of course
15:30<retrospectacus>dmitry: you were told yesterday how to resolve that
15:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 535] by debhelper
15:30<dmitry>i didnt find mate
15:30<dmitry>there should be a command to use..
15:30<retrospectacus>the command is "alacarte"
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15:32<dmitry>i dont see google earth in the list
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15:32<dmitry>retrospectacus: there should be a long command
15:33<retrospectacus>you need to add it to the list
15:33<dmitry>how?
15:33<retrospectacus>with "new item" of course.
15:34<dmitry>yes but i dont remember the name lol
15:34<retrospectacus>the name?
15:34<retrospectacus>the name is Google Earth
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15:34<dmitry>google-earth
15:34<dmitry>rigth
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15:34<dmitry>ty
15:34<retrospectacus>yeah it's tough I know
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15:37<retrospectacus>dmitry: sorry, I'm having a frustrating time with something else right now
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15:38<dmitry>good np ;)
15:38<dmitry>ive just fixed
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16:01<cambal>probably a newbee question: can anyone point me towards an updates sources.ist for wheezy in belgium
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16:02<sney>dpkg: h.d.n
16:02<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from http.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://http.debian.net/ for more information. This service, unlike <cdn.debian.net>, is safe to use with Google DNS and similar because it uses HTTP 302 redirects to send you to the selected mirror.
16:02<sney>cambal: ^
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16:06<hackerkids>hola
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16:06<hackerkids>hi buenas
16:06<retrospectacus>what's up hackerkids
16:06<hackerkids>hablas español
16:07<hackerkids>no hablo ingles
16:07<retrospectacus>!es
16:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:07<retrospectacus>English ONLY here hackerkids
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16:07<hackerkids>whois
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16:08<hackerkids>whois
16:08<bus>hello
16:08<sney>!ask
16:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:08<hackerkids>hola alguien q habla es español
16:08<bus>hello
16:08<sney>!es
16:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:08<retrospectacus>hackerkids: leer ^^
16:09<bus>ich mochte eins bier
16:09<hackerkids>madre mia q asco
16:09<hackerkids>joder
16:09<hackerkids>bueno me voy
16:09<bus>FUCK
16:09<sney>mercy
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16:09<bus>my cunt is dripping
16:09<sney>bus: this is a support channel for debian users. do you have a question
16:09<sney>hackerkids: this is a support channel for debian users. do you have a question
16:09<bus>suck me
16:10<bus>hail satan
16:10<sney>retrospectacus: are you an op in here or does one of us need to trigger it
16:10<retrospectacus>!ops bus
16:10<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: retrospectacus complains about: bus
16:10<bus>lick the dark lord's cock
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16:10<retrospectacus>dang. no I'm not
16:10<peterS>I wonder if bus was run over by a pedestrian
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16:17<test_test>hola q ta or cumo
16:17<test_test>sorry
16:17<test_test>bye
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16:20<cambal>sney: thanks giving it a try now
16:20<vicent>como me conecto al canala en espaniol?
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16:20<vicent>debian en spanish ?
16:20<vicent>please?
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16:20<retrospectacus>vicent: con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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16:20<vicent>ok
16:20<vicent>than you
16:21<retrospectacus>de nada
16:21<vicent>retrospectacus
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16:30<cheus>Hi. Was trying to set up a non-kerberized NFSv4 share in Squeeze and had some trouble. The shares mount on the remote but attempts to write to them just freezes the client until the process is killed (ctl+c). Anyone have any luck with this type of setup?
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16:36<bzed>cheus: that smells like a netowrk or firewall issue
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16:37<bch>hello. I am currently tinkering with a triple monitor setup (1 x hdmi, 1x vga, 1x dvi). The vga monitor shows strange colors, eg for a white terminal it prints a green terminal with unreadable characters
16:37<bch>the card: Mobility Radeon HD 5430 Series
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16:37<cheus>bzed, I wish it was but it's from host -> vm on the storage vlan so this doesn't even go through a physical switch.
16:38<cheus>bzed, Reads from the share are fine. It's the writes that are blowing up.
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16:40<bch>any ideas so far?
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16:45<sney>bch: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed
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16:53<cambal>hi got a kdm or gdm issue ??? pinotree
16:53<cambal>22:48:08 cambal | i installed kde full beside an existing xfc4, and now i cant login in the xfce anymore? do i need to reconfire kdm ??? qwerty1
16:53<cambal> | to startup xfce also? howto?
16:53<bch>sney, no.
16:53<bch>but i can try that
16:53<cambal>sorry copied this from #debian-kde
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18:48<testi>I have the feeling that in the young days of laying off compositing to the GPU it was actually doing that job and today it's no longer the case with any Desktop Environment. I encounter on about 3 different hardware systems (with age of 7 and 2 years) and the Desktop Environments KDE, GNOME, Cinnamon and Unity a CPU usage of up around 40% when moving windows heavilly, compared to the early days of compositing (beryl, until around ubuntu 10.04)
18:48<testi> where it used only around 4%. What's going on?
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18:50<abrotman>what's your video card and driver?
18:51<testi>abrotman, intel, nvidia, nouveau - depending on the system
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18:51<testi>on this system it's the nvidia-kernel module available in wheezy
18:52<testi>and the card, let me check
18:52<abrotman>mine seems to go up immediately, then fall off quickly ..
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18:54<testi>NVIDIA Ion VGA...
18:55<testi>I chose a slow system on purpose for tests
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18:55<testi>because that's how I can best see how the new Desktops suck compared to the old Desktops without adding any improved visual experience
18:56<testi>I also don't get a constant 60 frames per second, but I do when I disable hardware-acceleration
18:56<retrospectacus>I've noticed that as well, on my laptop
18:57<retrospectacus>it has a Nvidia 6200 and it performed awesome with OpenSuse 10.2 (iirc) and beryl
18:58<retrospectacus>slowed down with Squeeze/Compizfusion
18:58<retrospectacus>presumably they made the CPU do the effects instead of the GPU...
18:59<retrospectacus>I have no solution !
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18:59<testi>It really feels CPU-ish :-)
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19:00<testi>and it's a sickness which shows up in ALL environments which use compositing. I don't get it.
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19:24<rudi_s>testi: Just skip the desktop environment and use only a window manager ;-) - simple and fast.
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19:29<testi>rudi_s: I will probably do that, but I will keep wondering why the Linux Desktop evolves backwards nowadays. Software should never become less efficient than before. There is sometimes more resource consumption from one version to the next but compared to the added value it's normally less. And it's really strange that all desktops are affected. It's like the end of Evolution because no subject came into natural selection.
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19:32<rudi_s>testi: I think the problem is all the unnecessary gimmicks like shadows, animations, transparency, etc. - they take a lot of resources, but to some look "cool". Personaly I don't need them and feel they just waste resources (both CPU and developer time), but other seem to disagree.
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19:32<rudi_s>That's why I just use Xmonad as window manager and urxvt as terminal slim and fast without unnecessary stuff.
19:33<testi>rudi_s: but in the past they were not consuming cpu resources and there were lots of effects..
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19:33<rudi_s>testi: Then the developers are just stupid, sorry to say that. (I can't really talk from experience never used a desktop environment.)
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19:33<rudi_s>*on Linux.
19:35<testi>rudi_s: I fear you are right. The Linux Desktop is dying :-(
19:35<rudi_s>:-/
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19:40<Jb_boin>wayland is coming
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20:06<johan>please help me hack my mobile broadband 3
20:07<johan>so its free
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20:13<retrospectacus>johan: no. Do you have a debian question?
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22:49<crap>how do you fix a grub 2 problem with any debian install?
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22:49<crap>I read countless howtos ... most are ubuntu-centric or oriented... great, huh? but, even ones I found that were totally related to debian, didn't work
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22:51<abrotman>you need to be more specific about youtr problem
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22:52<crap>generic problem... a computer boots but then you get a grub prompt
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22:52<crap>a debian OS was installed on there
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22:53<abrotman>a Debian OS?
22:53<crap>I googled and tried a 'rescue' procedure
22:53<crap>yes
22:53<abrotman>But not Debian?
22:53<crap>Debian
22:53<abrotman>which version?
22:53<crap>Wheezy
22:54<abrotman>what is the box doing when it drops the prompt ?
22:54<crap>it matters?
22:54<abrotman>no . .they all have the same version of grub2 and the same bugs .. duh
22:54*abrotman gets irritated
22:55<crap>1.99 vs 1.98 -> big difference?
22:55<crap>ok, well, I said Wheezy
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23:16<hdon>hi all :) 802.11 WEP question
23:17<craig_sillva>hdon hi. short answer, don't.
23:17<hdon>i remember years ago, WEP keys were always the same number of bits specified in hexadecimal
23:17<hdon>craig_sillva: ha. yes i wish i could avoid it :(
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23:17<craig_sillva>bummer
23:18<hdon>anyhow, the password for this network, which seems to work when punched into windows 7, is not the familiar hexadecimal key i was expecting
23:18<hdon>so i'm wondering, how do i tell iwconfig how to connect with this newfangled wep password?
23:19<hdon>craig_sillva: are you against wep for any reason than it's insecure?
23:20<hdon>and inconvenient
23:20<craig_sillva>ha... no. just the insecure part.
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23:21<hdon>i thought this was what the "s:" was for when specifying the key
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23:54<Andrey>Привет всем есть тут кто Онлайн
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23:58<sney>!ru
23:58<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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