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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-08-30

---Logopened Thu Aug 30 00:00:21 2012
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00:04<isaac_>hello
00:04<zeptis>noob question: what does /etc/issue.distrib do?
00:04<zeptis>hi Isaac_.
00:04<isaac_>hi
00:05<isaac_>This is my first time to use XChat
00:05<zeptis>welcome dude
00:05<sney>!irc primer
00:05<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
00:05<zeptis>sney_: is issue.distrib just a file to say which distribution you're using?
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00:06<sney>my wheezy machine doesn't have issue.distrib, though it does have issue, and that's what issue does
00:06<zeptis>okay, not important except for making a screenfetch
00:06<zeptis>thanks
00:07<zeptis>>>/etc/issue.distrib 1969-12-31
00:07<zeptis>lol
00:07<Jb_boin>well, never saw that file
00:07<Jb_boin>there is normally issue and issue.net from package base-files if i am right
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00:08<zeptis>all of my issue files are the ones set at the beginning of the Unix epoch
00:08<zeptis>how strange
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00:14<zeptis>I don't mean to keep bugging everyone, but is there a specific reason for the iceweasel fork, or just the Debian philosophy of security and stability at work?
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00:16<sney>!why iceweasel
00:16<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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00:16<sney>it's not a fork, it's just a rebrand
00:16<zeptis>okay then
00:16<zeptis>lol
00:17<zeptis>I don't suppose there's an aurora or nightly iceweasel, then?
00:17<sney>well, there are the builds at http://mozilla.debian.net/, but not nightly I don't think
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00:19<zeptis>very helpful, thank you.
00:19<sney>np
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00:58<hdon>hi guys :) i accidentally overwrote /usr/bin/test. i see it's in package coreutils. how do i reinstall that one file?
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01:07<dizzylizzy>hdon, why not just "aptitude reinstall coreutils" ?
01:07<hdon>dizzylizzy: ok
01:07<dizzylizzy>you could extract that one binary from the .deb and cp it into place, but I mean
01:07<dizzylizzy>sometimes installation does permissions things >_>
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01:10<zeptis>hello, can you all hear me, this is my first time using irssi (with good reason)
01:10<zeptis>I seem to have borked Xorg :D
01:11<dizzylizzy>zeptis, yes we can hear you
01:11<zeptis>good to know, dizzy, thank you.
01:12<dizzylizzy>irssi is very handy :)
01:12<dizzylizzy>especially for X crashes
01:12<zeptis>Yes: my nvidia module is no longer loading, although I've tried rmmod nvidia
01:13<zeptis>not a segfault, though, so I'm pleased it's only my stupidity at work.
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01:14<zeptis>I have to get headers for my specific uname -r and make a new one in now, correct?
01:15<dizzylizzy>I'm not sure of the interaction between the proprietary firmware and the kernel, I think you should install links2 and go to http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
01:15<zeptis>Dizzy: what command would one use for any other module that seems to have fallen out?
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01:17<zeptis>brb, changing tty
01:17<dizzylizzy>i'm not an expert and I feel bad now for trying to answer
01:18<dizzylizzy>that URL's the best I can do :( gah
01:18<dizzylizzy>you might like Freenode's #debian channel, it's usually a little more active
01:18<zeptis>it's not a problem, Dizzy. You're trying your best to help your neighbour, and that's what matters, no?
01:18<dizzylizzy>I s'pose :P
01:19<dizzylizzy>when my last computer died I made sure to get one with a graphics card very well supported with free-software drivers
01:19<zeptis>it's not just advice, it's GNU/advice because it's free and redistributable :D
01:19<dizzylizzy>:P lol
01:19<dizzylizzy>so now I have integrated Intel HD graphics and no more nVidia... but I know that's not an option for a lot of people
01:19<zeptis>If I didn't like anti-aliasing and Xorg edging so much, I wouldn't have a problem with this.
01:20<zeptis>I literally just dist-upgrade'd to play Fallout:NV
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01:20<zeptis>brb, tty2
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01:22<dizzylizzy>if you use 'screen' or 'tmux' you could stay in one tty
01:22<dizzylizzy>ahhh
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01:22<dizzylizzy>i think I'm going to bed, good luck
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01:25<zeptis>thanks dizzy
01:25<zeptis>sleep well
01:28<hdon>can i setuid on shell scripts?
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01:48<zeptis>which kernel is current for vanilla Wheezy right now?
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02:10<zeptis>hello again, that worked and it even booted into GUI this time
02:11<zeptis>thanks all, PEBKAC. Should have just done init 6 after dist-upgrade
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02:19<zeptis>Where is the linux boot record stored?
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04:18<WaqarAzeem>Hello! i have downloaded a VM of debian.sqeeze. Graphical UI is missing. which (stable) one should i install... KDE? or something else.
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04:23<WaqarAzeem>whould it be sufficient ... aptitude install kde
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04:45<tale>WaqarAzeem: For new installations please choose one of kde-standard (highly recommended), kde-full, kde-plasma-desktop or kde-plasma-netbook metapackages.
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04:46<tale>WaqarAzeem: Or gnome-desktop-environment - The GNOME Desktop Environment
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05:58<johnoo>hi, some questions about installation debian: at normal not gui istallation of debian from cd1. What's in package Graphical user environment or where to find contents ?
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06:08<babilen>!tell johnoo -about cd contents
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06:10<babilen>johnoo: You'll get an (incomplete) Gnome installation from CD1 as the entire desktop doesn't fit on one CD. I therefore wouldn't recommend to use it as you can just use the netinstall if you have internet access or because you need DVD1 if you want everything. See "/msg dpkg install gnome" and "/msg dpkg install x" for information on how to install Gnome after the initial installation.
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06:15<johnoo>babilen, thx you hmm there is problem with internet because i have only 1Mb/s and only wifi (i tried share my 3g connection but it is not working for installation some features are downloaded but many error messages i'm not sure about) but thx cya
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06:17<babilen>johnoo: You can use your wifi if it is unencrypted or encrypted with WEP. If your WIFI is encrypted with, say, WPA(2) you need a newer installer which you can get from kmuto (/msg dpkg kmuto) for squeeze. Yet another possibility would be to use the wheezy beta installer, but read "/msg dpkg wheezy" and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable/
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06:18<johnoo>wpa2
06:19<babilen>johnoo: If you want to install from a removable medium I would either recommend to use DVD1 for Gnome or the XFCE/LXDE CD1 if you would rather like to use those. See also "/msg dpkg various cd1" for a short overview of the different CD1 images offered by Debian.
06:19<johnoo>hmm i would use stable squeeze
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06:20<babilen>johnoo: Yeah, in that case you either need to use the kmuto installer, which will also get you a new kernel or install from CD1/DVD1. If you go with kmuto don't forget to install a backported kernel as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel". What kind of hardware are you installing on?
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06:21<johnoo>babilen, hmm laptop lenovo x61 4-5 years old but with good core 2 duo 2GB ram and intel graphics
06:23<johnoo>i like gnome and lxde but if i installed lxde i didn't how to do something (for an example connect to internet because there wasn't network manager but now i know how to install it )
06:23<johnoo>i have downloaded cd1 with gnome
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06:24<johnoo>babilen, i need only how to set repositories to my usb because
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06:24<babilen>johnoo: The 2.6.32 kernel that comes with squeeze should be fine in that case, but a newer won't hurt. I would either recommend to connect your laptop via ethernet for the initial install, to use DVD1 or the kmuto installer.
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06:26<johnoo>babilen, if i install gui it works goood from usb but if i install without gui installer don't find install medium in usb in sources.list is there cd rom he ask for cdrom no usb i don't know how to set repositories to usb installer
06:27<johnoo>do you know how to set repositories to usb not cdrom ?
06:27<XReaper>just use the real repos?
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06:28<johnoo>XReaper, no real repositories as medium
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06:29<johnoo>XReaper, i can show it to you
06:29<johnoo>mmt
06:29<XReaper>nvm
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06:32<johnoo>guys something like this: # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20120512-14:34]/ squeeze main but how to set it to usb :)
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06:36<bernat>johnoo: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#CD-ROM
06:39<grummund>Hi, where & what should i look for attempted ssh login attacks?
06:39<grummund>i tried zgrep -i fail /var/log/auth.log.?.gz; grep -i fail /var/log/auth.log; but nothing...
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06:40<cefege123>how can I configure my vps and namecheap domain, so it works on the internet ( I have 5 domains, and 5 websites, 1 vps)
06:41<grummund>ssh port has been changed from 22, but still I think it is odd there seems no login attempts at all.
06:41<johnoo>bernat, thx
06:44<weasel>cefege123: you asked that once before.
06:44<weasel>it's not trivial.
06:44<weasel>maybe you should ask your ISP to do it for you.
06:44<weasel>for some of the basics you could also red the dns and bind howto
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06:45<cefege123>weasel: yes well I want to learn do it myself , and I can't find any comphensive tutorial ....
06:46<weasel>you will first have to learn how the internet works
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06:52<grummund>cefege123: your domain hosting co. should include dns in the price, use that. And then install and configure a web-server on your vps.
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08:34<ayaka>I use ssh -Nf to start a tunnel ,but how to end it? only kill way?
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08:45<TheBonsai>ayaka: i guess yes
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08:45<ayaka>TheBonsai, ok thank you
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08:46<TheBonsai>yes you are right, there's no need to ask if there are better ways to achieve the same
08:46<TheBonsai>:-)
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08:48<devil>there must be a graceful way to stop a tunnel
08:49<TheBonsai>TERM is graceful, IMHO
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08:50<TheBonsai>though he will have trouble to get the PID
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09:25<lastwill>Hello everybody!
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09:26<nicelyToasted>on squeeze do i put something like resume= on kernel command line to resume from hibernation, or is that an old way of doing things?
09:26<ryanakca>I have a crossover ethernet cable run between two hosts. What's the quickest way of transferring files between them? I thought of netcat + tar, but that won't let me resume interrupted transfers. I'm currently using "rsync -avhhPe 'ssh -e none -o Compression=no' otherhost:files .", is there anything better you can think of?
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09:28<lastwill>Did anyone manage to install Acrobat Reader in Debian 6 AMD64?
09:29<alii>Hallo!!! How to modify PDF files in linux ???
09:29<Apollo>dpending on the power of the processor, I suggest you do use compression
09:29<lastwill>I'm forced to install it because of a crappy french form available at http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/R20300.xhtml.
09:29<WaqarAzeem>Ok its wired ... i installed the gnome-desktop-environment... now its displays has gone blank screen. log says: No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
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09:29<lastwill>French administration sucks!
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09:30<Apollo>Another solution is streaming a tar over netcat indeed, and I do believe that's the fastest you're going to get
09:30<nicelyToasted>maybe running rsync as a daemon could give you a little speed boost, but i doubt it
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09:32<ryanakca>At the moment, rsync with the above options is giving me an average of 0.9-1MB/s
09:33<ryanakca>Alright, well, I'll start each transfer with tar+netcat, and then finish it off with rsync
09:34<ryanakca>Thanks :)
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09:35<Brillo>folks I'm having issues with iptables and a kernel that I compiled... anyone have a moment?
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09:40<Brillo> I have an Eee PC 1025c and I installed Debian 6.05 on it. I compiled a kernel 3.1.0 along with the recently released intel drivers for the graphics card and the display is now at the proper resolution.
09:40<Brillo>The problem is, with this kernel iptables wont work. If I block incoming traffic it blocks is outbound as well. Is there something I missed while configuring the kernel before compiling?
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09:41<Brillo>iptables will work if I boot into kernel 2.6.32-5-686
09:41<Brillo>the default kernel
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11:04<SeySayux>Hey, is there an easy way to get a minimal debian install? The smallest I can get (which does not include such tools as less) still requires over 400 MB.
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11:05<Brillo>SaySayux do you need a window manager or command line only?
11:05<SeySayux>cli only
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11:07<Brillo>you were over 400 mb when you unselected everything by the "standard system" in the software selection?
11:08<Brillo>by = but
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11:09<SeySayux>Yes
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11:10<SeySayux>Actually, I de-selected "standard system" as well.
11:10<SeySayux>Losing me such common tools as less.
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11:11<Brillo>well, as I am sure you are aware, Debian is not a "compact" distro. You will probably have to look at another distro.
11:11<OdyX>SeySayux: you might want to try Emdebian
11:11<OdyX>!emdebian
11:11<dpkg>Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net.
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11:11<OdyX>SeySayux: basically, it's Debian with less stuff: no manpages, no documentation, no useless examples, etc.
11:12<OdyX>SeySayux: and it's binary-compatible with Debian
11:12<SeySayux>OdyX: Great, that's what I'm looking for!
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11:12<SeySayux>Can I still install standard Debian stuff through apt?
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11:13<OdyX>SeySayux: you want Emdebian Grip and then you can have the rest of Debian on top. But if the packages are not emdebian'ed, then you get the full contents
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11:18<SeySayux>Emdebian looks good :)
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11:25<genie>What a day
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12:00<dmitry>i cant open .rar file in debian
12:00<dmitry>help me please
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12:01<sney>!unrar
12:01<dpkg>Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive file format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). See also <unar>. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html
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12:02<milo>Gosh! I am trying to get my built-in microphone working. I tried turning up the mic boost. Suddenly, there was this beep sound. SOOOO LOUD. It shoke my teeth.
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12:02<Bitcho>i need help about bind9
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12:03<dmitry>ty
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12:05<milo64>I need help setting up my internal microphone. I AM SO SCARED turning up the mic boost. and,,, it doesn't even work.
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12:07<milo64>ah.. got it. thx
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12:41<dhow119>hello, i'm trying to switch over to debian from arch on my lap top for school
12:41<dhow119>because i'm tired of the stability issues
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12:42<dhow119>the problem is the debian installer cannot find the right drivers for ehternet to work
12:42<dhow119>any ideas?
12:42<retrospectacus>!installer firmware
12:42<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse
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12:43<dhow119>sweet, i will look at that
12:43<dhow119>thank you
12:43<retrospectacus>dhow119: or if you've installed already, we can help you get set up with your drivers. We need to know what device(s)
12:43<dhow119>its' a lenovo thinkpad x130e with the amd450
12:44<dhow119>i could paste in an lspci, but i'm typing this from arch
12:44<retrospectacus>yeah, lspci -nn plz
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12:44<retrospectacus>on pastie.org or so
12:44<retrospectacus>not here you'll be kicked
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12:48<lacrosse1991>hello, what do you think would be the best way to only allow certain computers/people to join a ethernet network (not wifi)? I have a debian box acting as a router for the network (in a dorm room and would like to prevent
12:48<lacrosse1991>my roommate from possibly connecting to my network while im not around)
12:49<dhow119>http://pastie.org/4617417
12:49<retrospectacus>lacrosse1991: block/allow only certain MAC addresses with iptables?
12:49<dhow119>there's my lspci
12:49<crd>iptables is the solution to all problems
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12:50<lacrosse1991>sounds like a good idea, had thought about that earlier this week but wanted to get a third party opinion first, thanks!
12:50<retrospectacus>dhow119: you forgot -nn but the robot should be able to figure it out for us:
12:50<retrospectacus>!RTL8188CE
12:50<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
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12:50<lacrosse1991>just have to get that running and a "transparent" ssh tunnel setup and i should be set to go
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12:51<retrospectacus>dhow119: that's your wireless, you need kernel 2.6.38 which stable doesn't have. You'll need to get a backports kernel after installation (/msg dpkg bpo kernel for info on that)
12:51<retrospectacus>!AR8151
12:51<dpkg>The Atheros AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet controller (PCI ID 1969:1073) is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (Debian bug #599771), ask me about <install debian>. AR8151 v2.0 (PCI ID 1969:1083) is supported by atl1c since Linux 2.6.36, ask me about <kmuto> for device use at Debian installation time.
12:52<retrospectacus>same thing for that Ethernet device dhow119 - you have the v2.0 one
12:52<retrospectacus>dhow119: /msg dpkg kmuto for an installer that supports it
12:53<dhow119>alright, sorry i'm a bit lost here
12:53<retrospectacus>dhow119: or you could go ahead and try the wheezy (testing) installer but it's not released yet
12:53<crd>!tell retrospectacus about help tell
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12:53<dhow119>so if i havn't started the installation process yet, i can just try to install from a backports kernal?]
12:54<retrospectacus>no, you should install with the kmuto installer I think it's your only option
12:54<dhow119>alright let me google that
12:54<retrospectacus>I think it's very difficult to upgrade to the bpo kernel without any network
12:54<dhow119>thanks for the help
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12:56<retrospectacus>you're welcome
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13:03<backbox>hi
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13:04<AgentC>debian-offtopic: hi, aehm, ms NetBIOS IPX .... i have a game requires that protocol, on direct LAN cable it works, but when from 1st machine to WLAN router, then by WLAN to the notebook it makes problems, anyone can give me a short-hit to solve that on the fly ?
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13:05<AgentC>prob is, that this notebook do not have a LAN-cable connector. :-(
13:05<AgentC>only by WLAN possible
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13:12<backbox>hi
13:12<retrospectacus>hi
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13:14<simondaemon>hej, how can i find out which graphic card is in my box? I dont want to open the box and "dmesg | grep" with ati/amd/nvidia doesntgive me any clue..(?)
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13:21<retrospectacus>simondaemon: lspci
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13:22<simondaemon>well thank you ! I forgot about this comman.. :)
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13:23<SynrG>simondaemon: specifically, lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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13:25<simondaemon>dmesg already told me "Detected an NV50 generation card (0x094100a1)" so I googled and thought "nVidea card.." but lspci now tells me a lot of ati stuff.. but also hostbridge etc..
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13:25<SynrG>simondaemon: also, you can ask judd about your hardware with /msg judd pciid [####:####]
13:25<simondaemon>SynrG: well.. thanks again! your commands rock :)
13:25<SynrG>don't worry about 'ati stuff'. it's not uncommon to have a mix of vendors supplying different chipsets
13:26<simondaemon>VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT] [10de:0622] (rev a1)
13:26<SynrG>right, so:
13:26<SynrG>/msg judd pciid [10de:0622]
13:26<simondaemon>so I think that might be the reason for my "quite fast box" to extremly suck.. I guess I never installed the proprietary driver ...
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13:32<Lin>ciao
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13:35<simondaemon>well so i have the nvidea card, the nouveau driver... but only framebuffer stuff running. that .. "sucks". fbcon: nouveaufb (fb0) is primary device
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13:35<simondaemon>guess I have to google to get a "real" driver? I alredy searched 1 min. for it.. but couldnt find a thing..
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13:37<retrospectacus>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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13:39<simondaemon>thanks .. a "good" link... will check it tomorrow... got to go. bye!
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13:40<abrotman>why is "everything" quoted?
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13:41<ansgar>He is "already" gone.
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13:45<denis>any good news oon
13:46<denis>am looking for some good ebooks
13:46<denis>i mean security
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13:47<denis>hello Airwave
13:48<denis>security config in linnux
13:48<denis>help
13:48<SynrG>for debian in particular?
13:49<denis>not really
13:49<denis>but some
13:49<denis>clue
13:49<SynrG>then you're in the wrong channel, sorry
13:49<denis>am not really good in it
13:49<SynrG>google is your friend
13:49<denis>sure
13:49<denis>nice
13:49<denis>thanks
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14:39<ivo888>hi, how to install my audio card? lspci says 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
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14:42<sney_>ivo888: intel hda is supported natively, have you checked your levels
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14:43<ivo888>yes. next to my clock :)
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14:55<DebbieNewUser>Jest ktoś z polski może?
14:56<retrospectacus>!pl
14:56<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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15:11<planetma_>good evening
15:12<planetma_>I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze from CD on my machine which has an Atheros AR8151 ethernet adapter
15:12<planetma_>I can't seem to find in the installer any working driver. Searching around, I get the impression that it's not supported by Squeeze?
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15:13<planetma_>what would be the recommended course of action; mind that w/o network... download onto that machine is a bit difficult ;-)
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15:14<planetma_>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=64709 is what I found among others...
15:16<devil>planetma_: can we have the pci-id of the device? (lspci -nn | grep -i ath should tell you)
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15:18<planetma_>that would mean I get system running in the first place... I currently have it running on windows to actually have checked on it. There it says PIC bus 3, device0, function 0
15:18<planetma_>*PCI
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15:19<planetma_>but yes, I can probably continue w/o network... but I'll have to find my way through that; it's the first time I install a debian (though not a linux)
15:19<devil>planetma_: readinfg the post you linked, the driver is not in squeeze
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15:19<devil>planetma_: you could use a kmuto image
15:20<devil>planetma_: http://kmuto.jp/
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15:20<devil>those are unofficial, but known to be of good quality
15:21<devil>maybe someone in here knows a better way, I run debian unstable, so i am years away from the problems of squeeze
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15:23<planetma_>hehe... so I s/could maybe try testing or unstable?
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15:24<devil>planetma_: those need a solid base of knowledge to administrate
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15:27<planetma_>what defines "solid" as in different from squeeze?
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15:27<planetma_>And yes, I mostly wanted to install debian squeeze as I'm somewhat dissatisfied with suse's short lifetimes ;-)
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15:28<streuner__>planetma_: please tell us what devil asked you before
15:29<streuner__>devil> planetma_: can we have the pci-id of the device? (lspci -nn | grep -i ath should tell you)
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15:38<planetma_>streuner: I get there 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Device [1969:1083] (rev c0)
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15:43<devil>planetma_: from what I see you need a kernel 3.x.x
15:43<planetma_>which debian would have that?
15:45<devil>planetma_: there should be a backport
15:45<devil>but again, someone else should answer this
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15:46<rajesh>can anyone read me?
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15:46<planetma_>what I'd like is an iso image which basically brings this driver so that I can actually install things without downloading like all the DVD images
15:46<retrospectacus>rajesh: only people in this channel
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15:47<retrospectacus>planetma_: that'd be the kmuto installer that was mentioned
15:47<retrospectacus>planetma_: /msg dpkg kmuto
15:48<rajesh>thanks retrospectacus ... I am new linux user... I install software from synaptics all the time.. but now I have one more computer where debian is installed, but doesnt have internet connection. is there any way so that I can download a package from synaptics and use it in any other computer?
15:48<planetma_>I'll give that a shot then, thanks :-)
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15:51<retrospectacus>rajesh: yes, you can get the .deb file from packages.debian.org (or in /var/cache/apt/archives) and install it on the other machine with ''dpkg -i foo.deb''
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15:56<rajesh>thanks retrospectacus
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15:56<abrotman>!tell rajesh about apt-zip
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16:08<planetma_>devil: the suggested image from kmotu seems to do the trick. At least I'm already much further :-)
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16:09<devil>planetma_: fine :)
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16:29<pbrunnen>Hello all. I am looking for some help with setting up cracklib on my system. I setup what seems correct, but I can still bypass it and use a weak password. the authtok_err=die just doesn't seem to work...
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16:34<pbrunnen>Anyone?
16:35<devil>never heard of :)
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16:37<DLange>pbrunnen: http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/sysadmin/pam_cracklib.html did you try to follow that setup?
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16:39<pbrunnen>Hi @DLange, I did. Cracklib is loaded and running on the password change, but if I fail to enter a good password per the rules after three tried, it gives me an error "Unable to update authentication tokens" but jumps down the stack to pam_unix.so and changes it anyway.
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16:44<giole>bla bla
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16:45<sney_>!ask
16:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:46<DLange>pbrunnen: hm, password *required* pam_cracklib.so is in the pam file for system-auth, pbrunnen ?
16:47<pbrunnen>@DLange, I tried 'required', 'requisite', and even the complex '[success=ok authtok_err=die new_authtok_reqd=ok default=die]' syntax
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16:50<sney_>I suspect that err=die means it aborts using cracklib at all
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16:51<Anton>I am the Horse Man
16:51<pbrunnen>Hi @sney_, according to the man pages for pam.d: die - Equivalent to bad with the side effect of terminating the module stack and PAM immediately returning to the application. (Similar to “requisite”.)
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16:51<Anton>I am the Horse Man
16:51<Anton>I am the Horse Man
16:51<Anton>I am the Horse Man
16:51<Anton>I am the Horse Man
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16:52<DLange>pbrunnen: sure that /usr/bin/passwd is setuid root?
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16:53<pbrunnen>@DLange, just checked... it is. rws
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16:55<DLange>hm. Random guessing won't do here. pbrunnen. Two options: 1) start over from a known good PAM setup, 2) try with passwdqc (http://www.openwall.com/passwdqc/) for comparison what happens
16:55<jemadux>if from debian sid move to debian testing will be broke ?
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16:57<DLange>pbrunnen: also you can add debug to the relevant PAM lines to see more what's going on in syslog. May or may not point you in the right direction.
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17:06<GreenHide>When I setup a new ppp connection using network-manager it wont use my defined dns and uses the dns from my isp
17:07<GreenHide>if I look in /etc/ppp/resolv.conf my isp dns is in there
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17:08<GreenHide>I set in network-manager to get ip address only
17:09<ing>GreenHide: network-manager let's you choose 'address only' in IP4 settings, so you can choose your own resolver
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17:10<GreenHide>ing, yes I did that
17:11<GreenHide>ing, can I check from the internet what my actual dns is?
17:11<ing>GreenHide: the one in /etc/resolv.conf is used by your libc resolver
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17:12<GreenHide>ing, Im using pppd to connect
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17:20<pbrunnen>Thanks @DLange... unless I don't have debug setup right for pam, I am not really seeing anything useful.
17:20<pbrunnen>I do appreciate the assistance though.
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17:23<pbrunnen>sorry I have to go. bye all.
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17:40<planetma_>hehe... half an hour ago, the countdown for installing the software said 30 minutes. Now half an hour and half the packages later I'm at ... 30 minutes remaining ;-)
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17:41<dnlrg>planetma_: netinstall?
17:42<planetma_>yes
17:42<planetma_>or rather install from CD1 and it has to get all the rest. which probably is most :-)
17:43<dnlrg>look at virtual term 4
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17:45<planetma_>"virtual term 4"?
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17:47<dnlrg>alt + F4
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17:52<Okarin>I'm confused with all thos ati driver so i need help
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17:52<Okarin>i have a mobility HD5450
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17:52<Okarin>and i want to play games and watch HD movies with it
17:53<Okarin>Should i getfglrx or the public driver
17:53<Okarin>?
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17:54<devil>Okarin: for games you may need fglrx
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17:54<devil>which is not always trouble free
17:55<Okarin>devil i just come from arch and i want to know if the driver is as bad as the one there
17:56<Okarin>Because i heard that the module was automatically recompiled every update by dpkg is that true ?
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17:56<devil>Okarin: it is not as bad as long as you are on the stable branch aka squeeze. in testing and unstable it is as bad at times
17:57<Okarin>i'm using testing
17:57<devil>Okarin: by dkms
17:57<Okarin>And as the driver is no longer supported here
17:57<devil>not dpkg
17:57<Okarin>should i use the one from unstable or squeeze ?
17:57<devil>no, itr does not work a lot of times
17:57<devil>are you on squeeze?
17:58<devil>oh, testing
17:58<Okarin>testing
17:58<devil>then lets move this to #debian-next
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18:13<benoit_>??
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18:13<devil>and the question is?
18:13<sney_>too slow, apparently
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18:17<aasde1>I'm trying to install the latest debian on an acer aspire 5560g, but the installer can't detect any access point for downloading packages
18:17<aasde1>i tried manually entering the essid and pwd but it won't work
18:17<sney_>aasde1: does your network use wpa?
18:17<aasde1>no
18:18<aasde1>wep
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18:18<sney_>do you know what network card it has?
18:18<aasde1>hm, i haveto check
18:18<aasde1>it's an atheros
18:18<aasde1>works great in ubuntu
18:18<devil>heh
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18:19<sney_>well, at least it doesn't need firmware then
18:19<devil>trhe exact model would be more helpful :)
18:19<aasde1>AR5B97
18:19<devil>that is covered by ath5k
18:19<devil>sshould work ™
18:20<sney_>aasde1: when you try to connect to the access point, can you use alt-f4 to see the syslog and see if there are any error messages?
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18:21<aasde1>i'd have to restart
18:21<aasde1>ok, i'll get to it
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18:27<aasde1>it sad something like ioctl failed on wlan0
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18:28<aasde1>any ideas ?
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18:32<aasde1>also got this - WARNING **: couldn't determine MII ioctl
18:32<aasde1>to use for wlan0
18:34<devil>aasde1: do you have a chance to use a wired connection for the install?
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19:09<rano>ciao
19:10<retrospectacus>hello
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19:14<Okarin>hum
19:14<Okarin>does anyone use the b43 driver here ?
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19:22<gotmynick>Okarin, if I remember ok, I have some machine with it
19:22<gotmynick>do you have any issue ?
19:22<Okarin>no its okay
19:22<Okarin>i'm setting up my wifi
19:22<Okarin>i'll tell you if i have any issue ;)
19:23<gotmynick>see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx for reference
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19:25<ultrics>hello! i ve installed clamav right now
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19:25<ultrics>manually edited clamd.conf file
19:26<ultrics>and i cant find clamd daemon anywhere
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19:26<ultrics>nothing in /etc/init.d
19:26<ultrics>only freshclam
19:27<ultrics>any thoughts ?
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19:30<abrotman>whihc packages did you install?
19:30<Okarin>AAaaaaah i can't use my card !
19:30<Okarin>wifi card
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19:31<Okarin>how do i load the module ?
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19:34<abrotman>did you read th wiki page ?
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19:48<Okarin2>Hi i need help to setup my wifi
19:49<Okarin2>I'm using b43 module
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19:49<Okarin2>i'm trying iwlist scan but apparently wlan0 is down
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19:50<Okarin2>abrotman, yes i did
19:51<Okarin2>but it's not useful
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19:52<Okarin2>Anyone here ?
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19:54<abrotman>Okarin2: not useful at all huh ?
19:54<Okarin2>i did what was written but i can't setup my wifi
19:54<Okarin2>when i do iwlist scan it says that wlan0 is down
19:55<abrotman>ifup wlan0 ?
19:55<Okarin2>it's ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0
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19:57<Okarin2>so i don't know what to do
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20:01<Okarin2>help anyone ?
20:03<retrospectacus>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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20:04<Okarin2>i already read that...
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20:05<Okarin2>seriously retrospectacus ....
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20:32<Persus>Because they have removed compiz packages in testing?
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20:34<devil>because?
20:34<sney_>because.
20:34<devil>do you mean why?
20:34<sney_>porquois, my dear knight
20:34<devil>:)
20:36<Persus>sorry yeah why haha
20:36<chealer>that sounds like Portuguese, Iroquois with maybe a hint of French
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20:36<chealer>(if there's such a language as Iroquois)
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20:38<chealer>Persus: presumably because of bugginess (see http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/compiz/news/20120619T163914Z.html )
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21:20<thanosdave>Hi, I'm trying to get my sound working, it's a pci-connected chipset whose pciid is...
21:21<thanosdave>8086:24c5
21:21<thanosdave>also, I just installed lenny base
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21:22<thanosdave>wonder if it would be more worth it to upgrade to squeeze now or later
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21:24<giltoon>I have a bash script which sends me a file, and $foo is the filename. How can I set this $foo OUTSIDE the bash script then simply run it?
21:24<giltoon>when I set it before the script doesn't recognize it
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21:25<thanosdave>!alsa checklist
21:25<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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21:26<giltoon>script sends me files by email
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21:26<lorenzocabrini>giltoon: export foo
21:28<giltoon>Thank you very much!
21:29<lorenzocabrini>np, just remember that the variable will only be avaible to processes that are children of the one that you exported the variable in
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22:57<user01>i dont know what it is but everytime i run mysql query browser then run a query compiz crashes :)
22:57<user01>maybe it is the swimming dolphin
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22:58<user01>any thoughts to figure out what crashes compiz?
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23:11<LLL>anyone know how to fix compiz window decorations in debian squeeze?
23:11<LLL>i can't figure it out
23:13<LLL>is this place alive?
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23:27<ligilo>Hey
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23:57<arbol>hi guys, i nstall "M$ office 2007 on wine, on debian test" all its working, but dont print, my printer its workin on debian, but dont print on office
23:57<arbol>some one have a idea?
23:57<arbol>to help me ?
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