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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-01

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01:15<Misa3l_>hello.. i need help.. my crontab no work :|
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01:17<Misa3l_>yuju... Anyone out there?
01:19<Misa3l_>debian group does not help? O.O
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02:27<antonio>ciao
02:27<antonio>!list
02:27<dpkg>antonio: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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02:33<antonio>!list
02:33<dpkg>antonio: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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02:35<gnugr>antonio:if you need help just ask
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02:46*jeremyb just wasted ~45 mins fighting with http://bugs.debian.org/653330
02:46<jeremyb>;-(
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03:41<p3gasus>hi all. how do you change the /etc/security/limits.conf type settings but for daemons like mysqld? i change that file but it doesn't take effect. something I'm missing?
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03:49<hp_>hello world....xoxox
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04:06<p3gasus>any idea why limits set in /etc/security/limits.conf aren't being honoured?
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04:07<p3gasus>!limits
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04:09<tale>p3gasus: How have You determined they are not honored?
04:10<devil>p3gasus: did you relogin after changing the conf?
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04:14<MrWatson>i really hate when people do something that i'm about to do. Join a channel and ask something unrelated. Except mines kind of related. Somewhat. Its debian. . .
04:14<MrWatson>but on the wii.
04:14<MrWatson>Any of you gents ever mess with it?
04:14<MrWatson>whiite to be specific
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04:19<Sidicas>I submitted a bug report to the wrong package 684352 and realized it is a duplicate of a bug in another package. 636137. What should I do?
04:20<weasel>reassign it to the correct package. merge it with the other bug.
04:22<weasel>are you sure it's a network manager bug?
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04:24<Sidicas>I'm not sure how to check, to be honest. But the problem can be fixed by running a command with rfkill so I'm pretty sure it's not the kernel.
04:25<weasel>it may still be a kernel bug. anywya, if you're not sure I'd just update the bug with what you know, and let the maintainer figure it out if they should reassign it
04:26<Sidicas>OK, thanks
04:26<p3gasus>devil: it's for mysql
04:26<p3gasus>tale: cat /proc/id/limits
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04:32<devil>[10:10:28] <devil> p3gasus: did you relogin after changing the conf?
04:32<p3gasus>devil: mysql has /bin/false as its shell. what do you MEAN?
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04:33<p3gasus>you mean did I reboot?
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04:33<devil>relogin is enough
04:33<p3gasus>devil: i did /etc/init.d/mysql restart
04:33<p3gasus>still the limits are 1024 even though i upped them to 4k
04:33<devil>you need to relogin after you edited /etc/security/limits.conf
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04:36<p3gasus>devil: seriously i'm not sure what you mean? I've logged out, but it's not my limit i changed it was those for mysql
04:36<devil>well, I gottarun, maybe I misunderstood you
04:36<devil>later
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04:37<p3gasus>I think it may be a bug anyway. thanks devil
04:37<p3gasus>anyone here know how to change limits for daemons started by /etc/init.d ?
04:37<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to get sound from a VM without pulseaudio?
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04:37<p3gasus>before I go and just add ulimit -n 4096 to the /etc/init.d/mysql script directly :)
04:37<EmleyMoor>(VM running Windows in this case, on a Debian host)
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04:40<safinaskar>p3gasus: add directly :) there is no other way. because /etc/init.d running as "non-logged-in-root"
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04:40<safinaskar>p3gasus: so per-user limit doesn't make sense to /etc/init.d
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04:40<p3gasus>EmleyMoor: i've not done it that way around. which virtualisation technology you using?
04:41<p3gasus>safinaskar: is there something nicer i can do like maybe add it to /etc/default/mysql ?
04:41<EmleyMoor>kvm/qemu
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04:41<safinaskar>p3gasus: maybe
04:42<p3gasus>EmleyMoor: i run a windows box (2008) in a kvm on debian squeeze host
04:42<p3gasus>i'll check it in a bit..
04:42<EmleyMoor>It used to work but I've removed pulseaudio because it was causing me trouble elsewhere
04:43<EmleyMoor>Now I get lots of messsages about it...
04:43<p3gasus>safinaskar: i've already spent half an hour on this seemingly simple task. i'll just stick it straight in (so to speak)
04:43<p3gasus>EmleyMoor: i dont see why you'd need pulseaudio... but removing pulseaudio could quite easily have broken lots of things :)
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04:44<EmleyMoor>Removing it fixed a lot that were previously broken
04:44<p3gasus>EmleyMoor: i'm glad i dont have to worry about graphics cards and sound systems in debian :)
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04:51<p3gasus>EmleyMoor: i remember i had airplay working via pulseuadio in debian once. for about a week lol
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05:23<lee>list
05:23<lee>#list
05:23<lee>@list
05:24<lee>!list
05:24<dpkg>lee: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
05:24<lee>what's that?
05:25<gnugr>lee:what is your problem? do you need debian help?
05:25<lee>I'm new in irc
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05:25<lee>Am i in a channal or what
05:26<lee> o i c
05:26<Apollo>yes, you are in a channel
05:26<lee>i'm in channal debian
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05:45<gpm>hi. my wifi card is being assigned a new mac address and uuid every time i reload the driver module or reboot. i'm wondering if there is a way to have a saved connection with network-manager under such conditions or, more desirably, if it's possible to make the network card (rt61pci driver) stick to its MAC and uuid. thanks in advance.
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05:48<planetmaker>hm, I'm looking for digikam and I'm on squeeze. from main and backports I only get digikam 1.2.0 while there's also 2.6 in testing and 2.8 in experimental. Any way I could get one of those?
05:48<devil>gpm: using networkmanager, the only way I know would be a udev rule that pins it down. without nm a edit in /interfaces would do.
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05:50<gpm>can you set mac address and uuid id with udev? i already have a rule that makes sure it gets set to wlan0 based on vendor/device ids
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05:51<devil>gpm: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm
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06:02<safinaskar>planetmaker: change squeeze to wheezy or experimental in sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get install digikam, then change back to squeeze, then apt-get update
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06:04<planetmaker>safinaskar, ah, yes. I'll add it as extra source, though. I don't want to update the whole system
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06:17<planetmaker>he... seems that this simple use of digikam from testing updates my whole system to testing... 1GByte of packages...
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06:21<devil>planetmaker: apt-cache depends digikam explains that
06:21<planetmaker>yes... it depends on kde which depends on more fundamental stuff which many other things depend on... quite logical. Still :-)
06:22<planetmaker>I guess I don't mind
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06:22<planetmaker>was anyway swaying between installing testing right away
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06:22<planetmaker>and squeeze
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06:22<devil>planetmaker: then it makes more sense to do a dist-upgrade
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06:23<planetmaker>like how?
06:24<planetmaker>sorry, I'm still very new to all the debian ways... I got to discover everything anew :-)
06:24<devil>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
06:25<devil>but beware, testing needs more administrative skills than stable
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06:26<planetmaker>given that I needed one evening to figure out network card. one evening to figure out graphics card and probably a 3rd to come to get sound going... how much worse can it get?
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06:30<planetmaker>devil, I heard that yesterday(?), too. What exactly do you mean with that (or do you have a link where I can see and decide whether it's worth the trouble)?
06:31<planetmaker>while generally I don't mind, there simply are a few programmes where I do need or want the newest releases of those projects. Like digikam, gimp, blender or mercurial
06:31<devil>planetmaker: it can get much worse.
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06:32<devil>planetmaker: you want to know how to handle apt/aptitude, dpkg and your usual flock of cli tools to deal with stuff you break
06:32<devil>and you having to ask how to dist-upgrade shows me, you're not there
06:32<planetmaker>well. I started installing debian 2 days ago
06:33<planetmaker>so, no, I'm not there indeed
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06:35<planetmaker>and there's little knowledge which is exactly transferable, neither from suse's way nor from the macports way
06:35<planetmaker>and yes, I naively assumed that a little more was transferable :-)
06:36<devil>planetmaker: if you know rpm, you can transfer some of that to dpkg, the have a lot in common
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06:39<planetmaker>devil, yes... one of the things is to learn all the new command names and actually find the analogies :-)
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09:16<anil>hi
09:17<anil>ffkdkjf
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09:18<anil>hi iron
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09:18<anil>hi beto
09:18<abrotman>anil: do you need help?
09:19<anil>ya
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09:19<beto>not exactly, just learning irc :)
09:19<XReaper>there a way to manually backport packages from testing?
09:19<abrotman>!tell XReaper about ssb
09:20<anil>how to make chat application ?
09:20<abrotman>anil: do you need help with Debian?
09:20<anil>in debian
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09:21<XReaper>abrotman: awesome
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09:21<XReaper> the place where this debian box will be going won't have direct access to the backports repo so making manually is... easier
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09:41<Aleric>Is there a way to see what the name of my harddisks are?
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09:43<noshadow>Aleric: one way might be something like cat /sys/class/block/sd?/device/model
09:46<Aleric>Hmm, yeah -but that's the same code as I see in /dev/disk/by-id ... what looking for something a bit more human readable.
09:46<XReaper>blkid
09:46<XReaper>as root
09:46<XReaper>wait, that's just block devices
09:46<XReaper>:P
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09:59<Aleric>I don't think it exists... most info I get is from hdparm -I, but that doesn't return more either.
10:01<devil>Aleric: what are you missing from hdparm -i
10:01<devil>Aleric: it is I btw, not L
10:02<Aleric>A human readable model name.
10:02<Aleric>Like: "WD Caviar Blue 500 GB 7200rpm 16MB SATA3"
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10:02<abrotman>Aleric: dmesg
10:02<devil>Aleric: hdparm -i gives me that
10:03<Aleric>All I get is: Model=WDC WD740ADFD-00NLR1, FwRev=20.07P20, SerialNo=WD-xxxxxxxxxx
10:03<devil>not in one3 line, but yes
10:03<devil>Aleric: then try lshw
10:03<abrotman>!whats my hardware
10:03<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
10:03<devil>or hwinfo
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10:06<Aleric>elky: Unable to locate package hwinfo
10:06<Aleric>:/
10:06<Aleric> E:
10:06<Aleric>That's weird
10:06<devil>Aleric: you could install it :)
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10:06<Aleric>No I can't
10:06<gnugr>Aleric: try 'lshw -short" ithink has enough infos
10:07<Aleric>That's the error that I get when I try to install it.
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10:07<devil>Aleric: i have it in my sources
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10:08<Aleric>sudo service apt-cacher-ng restart
10:08<Aleric>did the trick...
10:09<Aleric>Not good that I have to restart that before things work :/
10:09<Aleric>It was still running.
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10:11<abrotman>told you .. approx is great :)
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10:14<devil>'tis
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10:23<Aleric>How can I invalidate any cached disk data? So that a read has to access the HDD again?
10:24<Aleric>hdparm -f I guess...
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12:06<nodno>http://xdcc_CANCEL_X1346506534
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12:17<nodno>xdcc_CANCEL_X1346506534
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12:18<abrotman>nodno: do you need help?
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12:18<nodno>yeah
12:18<abrotman>so ask a questoin
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12:18<jemadux>how to install java 7 on my machine ?
12:18<jemadux>i have sid
12:18<abrotman>!tell jemadux about java
12:18<abrotman>!tell jemadux about install java
12:19<nodno>hi, how can i cancel download like for example ( http://xdcc_CANCEL_X1346506534 )
12:19<gpm>my network card's mac address and uuid change every time i reboot. i want to figure out why and how to stop it.
12:19<gpm>it's a wifi pci card and it uses the rt61pci driver
12:20<nodno>thx
12:20<abrotman>nodno: definitely stop pasting it in here
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12:21<nodno>http://xdcc_CANCEL_X1346506534
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12:21<abrotman>nodno: please figure this out in another place
12:21<TheBonsai>is it some kind of exploit or just nonsens?
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12:21<abrotman>PEBCAC AFAICT
12:21<abrotman>KAC
12:22<TheBonsai>k
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12:24<jemadux>abrotman: i already know that but i want to install java itself
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12:31<aydar>hi to all )
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12:32<aydar>im from russia )))
12:32<aydar>where are you from?
12:33<aydar>i love ubuntu ))
12:34<abrotman>aydar: i think you want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
12:34<aydar>why? ))
12:35<abrotman>because this channel si #debian, and for Debian support
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12:49<alansley>Anyone feeling strongly about vectors, lists, arrays, lists (yes again, doubly linked)... I feel bad about all thist stuff
12:50<alansley>I want to pick the RIGHT one.
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12:52<Osiris_X>anyone know how to get zeitgeist actually recording recently opened documents?
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13:13<debdemon>debian is a POS again, today :-(
13:14<debdemon>why doesn't unetbootin ever EVER work in debian?
13:14<debdemon>is it because unetbootin is a an ubuntu-based program?
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13:29<alansley>If Linux didn't ever get around to telling you THANKS for for hanging in there and not being a dick - allow me: Thanks for being you =D
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13:32<alansley>It's some kind of joke. But still a good thing.
13:32<gpm>rt61pci card shows an incorrect mac address. it also changes every reboot. any clues on how to investigate and fix?
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13:33<alansley>Why would a h/w device provide a diff MAC adress on each boot? Sounds odd...
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13:33<gpm>it IS odd
13:33<gpm>my guess is something wonky with the driver.
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13:33<alansley>The hardware has a say in it
13:33<gpm>sure
13:34<gpm>except it shows the same one every time in windoze
13:34<alansley>If the hardware is calling random, .... ditch it.
13:34<gpm>with the correct OUI for the device
13:34<gpm>lol-
13:34<gpm>new card is not a solution right now
13:34<gpm>but thanks
13:34<alansley>The MAC (layer 2 address) is going to be the same each time
13:34<alansley>The IP might be diff each time depending on your DHCP server
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13:35<gpm>well, it isn't. all i have to do is reload the driver and i'll get a different mac
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13:35<gpm>but if it shows the same in windows every time i don't think it's fair to just immediately blame hardware
13:35<alansley>You're taking this as an offence - it's not - it's okay - so reassign it or suck it up.
13:35<alansley>Or do nothing.
13:35<gpm>reassign mac?
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13:36<gpm>well i am wondering if maybe a bug is present
13:36<alansley>Reassign IP.
13:36<gpm>why do i want to reassign ip?
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13:37<alansley>I teach CIsco IOS router configuration to youngsters. I will just point you a default config if needed tho.
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13:37<gpm>i am a youngster. teach me.
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13:38<sney_>IOS is pretty easy once you push past Odom's annoying writing style. /ot
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13:38<alansley>gpm - I spend a year teaching Cisco IOS networking, about 5 hours per week,
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13:38<gpm>i am impressed. please, don't withhold knowledge!
13:39<alansley>Mate - I just got a new job teaching Mobile Development at the University of Ballarat
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13:40<CookAnEgg>Bonsoir.
13:40<gpm>i don't get what you're trying to tell me
13:40<alansley>So if you want me to teach you I'm starting next February with Java and Android Applications.
13:40<sney_>gpm: if you run 'modinfo' for your NIC driver, does it show any params having to do with mac address changes?
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13:41<alansley>gpm - I'm just telling you I JUST got a new job as a University Lecturer.
13:41<gpm>congrats?
13:41<gpm>!beer alansley
13:41*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for alansley
13:41<alansley>Thank you.\
13:41<gpm>sney_:
13:41<gpm>sney_: let me pastebin
13:42<alansley>Gonna teach some students some good stuff =D
13:42<sney_>!offtopic
13:42<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
13:42<gpm>sney_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/131412
13:43<gpm>i don't think so.
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13:43<gpm>but that was the first time i used modinfo
13:43<sney_>hmm, ralink. no, it only has one and it's about encryption
13:44<gpm>i've been googling for days
13:44<gpm>the card's manufacturer is edimax
13:44<gpm>and the mac that shows up in windows has an OUI consistent with that, so that's why i think it is the "right" one
13:45<gpm>since the rt61pci/linux-generated MACs don't fit with realtek or edimax
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13:46<gpm>like the one currently assigned, the first octets should be for a "WW PCBA Test" device
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13:48<gpm>so...maybe file a bug?
13:49<gpm>if so...against the kernel?
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13:51<sney_>I wonder if it's an issue with the binary blob required by rt61pci
13:52<gpm>i thought about that but i couldn't find a newer version of the firmware
13:52<gpm>haha
13:52<gpm>maybe an older one will work
13:54<gpm>let me try
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13:55<alansley>Wish u were my friend. Woof. Woof.
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13:56<alansley>Fucking stupid music.
13:57<alansley>Love my wife Andrea.
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13:57<gpm>holy shit there are many versions
13:57<alansley>BOOP_BOOM
13:57<gpm>i guess i'll go most recent backwards
13:58<alansley>Sorry - you didn't listen to the the ------ oh actually you did
13:58<alansley>hah!
13:59<alansley>Too much@ =D
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13:59<sney_>alansley: don't make me !offtopic again :P
14:00<alansley>Sney - you aren't me.
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14:00<alansley>So sorry...
14:01<alansley>sney - you can't take me ONtoppic - can you?
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14:01<alansley>BRING IT ON.
14:01<sney_>alansley: seriously, people who fill #debian up with non-support noise will eventually be silenced by an op. this isn't a threat or anything, just an observable pattern.
14:01<fdsfds>hi
14:02<alansley>???????????????????????????????????????????
14:02<sney_>alansley: so, we have a channel dedicated to chatter. you were just there.
14:02<alansley>Please don'e don't say stupid things to me for no reason.
14:03<alansley>sney__
14:03<sney_>!ops alansley
14:03<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney_ complains about: alansley
14:03<alansley>sney ______
14:03<alansley>sney__________
14:03<alansley>sney________________
14:03<alansley>No.
14:04<mentor>alansley: Please be quiet.
14:04<tale>!ops alansley
14:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: tale complains about: alansley
14:04<alansley>I'm going to fucking KILL you now.
14:04<mentor>We heard
14:04-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
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14:06<gpm>gonna try old firmware brb
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14:06<jemadux>if i go from debian sid to wheezy perhaps will broke or not ?
14:07<sney_>dpkg: unstable->testing
14:07<dpkg>Since packages generally migrate from unstable to testing fairly regularly, downgrading from unstable to testing is sometimes possible (see <partial downgrade>). Alternatively change "unstable" to "testing" in your sources.list and wait for packages migrate; installing new packages during this time might be problematic, however. Ask me about <reinstall>.
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14:10<Kaip>I cant seem to get my wifi working on a live DVD of Debian 6.0.4
14:10<soolei>Hello, I recently restarted Debian because google chrome crashed, after the reboot the panel isn't showing (menu), I am using X, anything I can do to fix this?
14:10<soolei>I am using 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
14:12<sney_>Kaip: some wifi adapters need extra non-free software to function
14:12<Kaip>I tried hitting the wifi button but it seems to keep saying wireless is disabled as I'm trying to install grub
14:12<sney_>soolei: try with a new user account, odds are your DE profile got messed up
14:13<soolei>never mind
14:13<soolei>xfce4-panel solved it
14:13<soolei>thanks
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14:13<Kaip>sney_ I can't get the software if I'm not online :|
14:13<gpm>ok. just tried three different versions of firmware.
14:13<gpm>same results.
14:14<gpm>maybe it is an external program or something.
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14:14<Kaip>Wait I think I got it
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14:16<Kaip>Nope
14:17<Kaip>I am trying to get GRUB but not look to
14:18<Kaip>Luck too
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14:23<gpm>ah fudge it. i got other things to do
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14:29<fdsfds> NVIDIA Corporation with driver 4.2.0 NVIDIA 295.40] | xchat[Version: 2.8.8] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
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14:29<tale>fdsfds: Use pastebin.
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15:07<woofy>hi
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15:08<framk>hello
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15:16<debdemon>just curious if there is some problem with using netbootin in debian wheezy...?? :-(
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15:19<devil_>yes.
15:19<devil_>in debian.
15:19<devil_>wont work ™
15:19<devil_>there is dd and cat to achieve the same much easier
15:19<debdemon>thanks devil
15:20<debdemon>I've tried dd
15:20<devil_>can't go wrong
15:20<devil_>with the right syntax
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15:21<ompaul>debdemon: this is the way http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/usb-stick-creation-for-debian-wheezy-installer-has-changed-887750/
15:21<debdemon>I've suceeded before but the experience was trial and error... took so long
15:22<devil_>debdemon: with usb3 it takes 20 seconds, with usb2 maybe 3-5 minutes
15:22<ompaul>debdemon: start already
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15:28<debdemon>I meant, I had to try it a few times... the 'burn' of the iso was either faulty or when I booted up, something was 'missing'
15:28<debdemon>I followed a good how-to to the 't
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15:29<debdemon>ok, if it is dd then I have no choice, I guess.... thanks
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15:34<devil_>there is also cat
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16:28<grummund>Why would 'sort' behave differently when run from user crontab? (i get a different sort order than when used from bash command line)
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16:30<tale>grummund: Does it run the same sort command?
16:31<ompaul>what shell is the command running in from cron
16:31<ompaul>etc
16:31<ompaul>etc etc
16:32<tale>grummund: The locale specified by the environment affects sort order.
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16:34<grummund>chcking now... need to wait for minute to roll over.
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16:34<grummund>cron is using /bin/sh with locale LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
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16:35<grummund>i'm using /bin/bash with LANG=
16:35<grummund>LC_CTYPE="POSIX"
16:35<grummund>so i guess that's it
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16:36<grummund>not sure why there's a difference in locale though
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16:39<zlatan>grummund, hm, maybe because /bin/sh now defaults to dash and not to bash anymore
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16:42<grummund>/bin/sh -c locale says POSIX
16:42<tale>Cron jobs have mostly empty Enviroment, at least not as much environment variables as login shells.
16:44<grummund>this seems the other way round :p
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16:45<hun_fighter>Ubuntu or Debian?
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16:52<Marius_>hun_fighter: i'm a newb at it, and I have both installed, well I have linux mint not ubuntu, and debian installed. it really depends on what sort of user you are.. if you are new at all this, you might consider ubuntu or better yet, linux mint
16:53<Marius_>i can tell you google chrome starts up much faster in linux mint compared to debian...
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16:55<devil>Marius_: my chrome in sid could not start any faster than it does
16:56<zlatan>Marius, you can make chrome open right after your desktop loads. Would that be enough fast for you?!
16:56<devil>s/chrome/chromium
16:56<Marius_>oh i'm not complaining really, i prefer debian versus the ubuntu variants
16:56<Marius_>i am only stating what little i've experienced
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16:57<zlatan>Marius, well debian install is pure, so you can tweak it to your needs
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16:59<Marius_>yeah and i am only slowly learning how, for instance i would like to see cpu temps etc, and i have yet to find a program that does this.. lm-sensors does not seem to work
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17:00<grummund>hmm, login as normal user and LANG=""; su - to root and LANG=en_GB.UTF-8; su - to user and LANG=en_GB.UTF-8.
17:00<zlatan>Does your computer have temp sensors?
17:01<grummund>any hints how to diagnose why locale is not set at login?
17:01<Marius_>zlatan: it sure does, all sorts of apps reported temps in windows, the bios itself shows temps too
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17:03<zlatan>Marius_, install conky :D
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17:04<Marius_>oh right forgot about that, have that over on my mint installation lol
17:04<Marius_>thx
17:04<Marius_>folding @ home sure seems to work quicker in debian vs windows haha
17:06<zlatan>Couldn't say, last time I used win was xp
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17:12<grummund>Any ideas what is causing this locale misconfiguration - http://pastebin.com/6F7hYeUV
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17:40<sakax>hi - im using squeeze with DE xfce4 as i have an older pc
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17:41<sakax>i want to avoid gnome as much as possible
17:41<sakax>what are xfce4 alternatives to gnome's synaptic and update-manager?
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17:42<TheBonsai>isn't synaptic a gtk(-only) tool?
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17:44<afuentes>i use ssh -A to use my credentianals from the machine i connect to. Is it possible to double jump?
17:44<sakax>TheBonsai: it's like full of gnome dependencies
17:44<sakax>brb
17:44<afuentes>if i do A->B->C-D. Is there a way to use my credentials in A to connect to D?
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17:44*sakax is rebooting
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17:48<chealer>"Synaptic is at best just a little GNOME-ish, beyond its GTK-ness."
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17:49<afuentes>ok, answering my own question... i can just -A to carry my credentials over as many hosts i want :)
17:49<afuentes>i just tried
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18:16<alberto>hola tengo el ordenador del coleeeeeeeeee
18:17<alberto>y me arrepientoooooooooo
18:17<alberto>soy pateticoooooo
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18:17<Guest5316>ncesito amigoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos
18:17<Guest5316>mentira
18:17<Guest5316>no nsoy coniozido aisn
18:17<Guest5316>capullo
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18:27<gabriele>!list
18:27<dpkg>gabriele: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
18:27<gabriele>h
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18:56<Misa3l_>hello... i need helppp.. :D
18:56<sakax>!ask
18:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:59<Misa3l_>I need help, according to the command and managed to see the screen capture import -window root image.jpg .. I need is my crontab capture screens automatically every minute "that he is doing" but failed to make q catches made ​​successfully ..
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19:01<Misa3l_>#join debian-es
19:02<devil>Misa3l_: good idea
19:02<Misa3l_>yes
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19:02<Misa3l_>no help here .. I have to find another way to help me. devil
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19:02<devil>Misa3l_: i dont even understand the question
19:03<Misa3l_>jajaja bad english .. :(
19:03<devil>so native language might help
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19:04*cybersphinx suspects the problem is that there's no DISPLAY when run from cron.
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19:05<devil>Misa3l_: stay in channel please, no query!
19:06<Misa3l_>ok ok...
19:06<Misa3l_>i have.
19:06<Misa3l_>cat /etc/crontab
19:06<Misa3l_>* * * * * root /tmp/foto.sh
19:07<Misa3l_>then my script
19:07<Misa3l_>#!/bin/bash
19:07<Misa3l_>: ${DISPLAY:=:0}
19:07<Misa3l_>export DISPLAY
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19:07<Misa3l_>sleep 5;import -window root /tmp/captura.jpg
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19:08<Misa3l_>-.-
19:08<Misa3l_>understand?
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19:09<Misa3l_>???????????????'
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19:13<Misa3l_>evil
19:14<Misa3l_>Sep 1 18:43:01 negrita /USR/SBIN/CRON[9030]: (CRON) error (grandchild #9032 failed with exit status 1)
19:14<Misa3l_>:'(
19:15<Misa3l_>:'(
19:15<Misa3l_>Sep 1 18:43:01 negrita /USR/SBIN/CRON[9033]: (root) CMD (/bin/robo/programa.sh > /var/log/robo.txt)
19:15<Misa3l_>Sep 1 18:43:01 negrita /USR/SBIN/CRON[9032]: (root) CMD ( import -window root /tmp/captura.jpg)
19:15<Misa3l_>:(
19:15<Misa3l_>Sep 1 18:43:01 negrita /USR/SBIN/CRON[9030]: (CRON) error (grandchild #9032 failed with exit status 1)
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19:23<gotmynick>root crontab trying to connect to user X ?
19:23<gotmynick>also my $DISPLAY is :0.0, not :0, I don't know if that matters
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20:25<dougchamberlain>hi all
20:25<dougchamberlain>anyone here familiar with the install on mac?
20:26<gotmynick>yes
20:26<gotmynick>I've one, EFI boot, I do use refit
20:26<gotmynick>you've some tips in the debian wiki (search for imac, macbook, etc)
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20:35<dougchamberlain>OK
20:36<dougchamberlain>so I have a question. I have a mac pro, and I was wondering if it would still be compatible with rEFIt if I installed Debian on my 3rd internal drive
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20:39<joseph-soares>is there how to put an image as background in a especific folder just editing a .file?
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20:54<darkham>hi people, i'm using aptosid, just installed, with a radeon R350. At boot i can read an error of loading R300 firmware, and it seems i'm using some defauld generic video setting, how can i solve this?
20:55<darkham>where can i look the boot log?
20:55<sney>!aptosid
20:55<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net.
20:56<darkham>sney, you're right, but nobody in the #aptosid channel seems to be in...
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20:57<sney>darkham: better wait for them then
20:57<darkham>i'm waiting from 1 hour...
20:57<sney>darkham: your choices are basically a) wait for #aptosid to help you or b) install debian and party with us
20:58<devil>darkham: aptosid is pretty dead. wave it goodbye
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20:58<sney>devil: what's your new sid users' club called? I can never remember the names
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20:59<devil>siduction
20:59<darkham>sney, devil, what debian version can i install to have the latest, or like, packages ?
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21:00<sney>darkham: well, if you want the same kind of thing as aptosid was supposed to be, then follow devil to siduction. if you want to install debian, then install debian and read http://deb.li/sidfaq before using sid/unstable.
21:01<devil>darkham: if you are up to fixing whats broken, run debian sid. if you want a minimum of handholding with sid, run siduction
21:03<darkham>i'm learning...
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21:32<bfly>what's the recommended method for unattended updated on squeeze?
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21:37<hikmatic>W
21:37<hikmatic>Hello all
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