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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-02

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---Logclosed Sun Sep 02 12:42:52 2012
---Logopened Sun Sep 02 12:46:38 2012
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12:50<wafialmasry>hi brothers
12:51<wafialmasry>i need some help
12:51<wafialmasry>haloooooooooooooo
12:51<tale>!tell wafialmasry about ask
12:51<wafialmasry>did freenode have some problems?
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12:51<tale>wafialmasry: No.
12:51<wafialmasry>i try but it not work
12:52<wafialmasry>i need to contact with ubuntu eg
12:52<wafialmasry>but it is not work
12:52<tale>wafialmasry: You can not contact Ubuntu on Debian channel.
12:52<wafialmasry>it is not here
12:52<tale>wafialmasry: I just joined #ubunto on Freenode. It works.
12:52<wafialmasry>the chanal # ubuntu-eg
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12:53<tale>wafialmasry: I just joined #ubuntu-eg, it works. Looks like Egyptian channel.
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12:54<wafialmasry>ok just 1 M
12:54<tale>wafialmasry: Anyways, Debian on OFTC network can do nothing about #ubuntu-eg on Freenode.
12:55<wafialmasry>Notice -- You need to identify via SASL to use this server
12:56<tale>wafialmasry: Are you still talking about Freenode?
12:56<wafialmasry>yes
12:56<tale>wafialmasry: This channel is on OFTC, a totally different IRC network.
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12:57<wafialmasry>the server is freenode.net ??? right?
12:58<tale>wafialmasry: Look it up on Freenode web page.
12:58<wafialmasry>am useing Xxhat
12:58<wafialmasry>Xchat
12:58<tale>!tell wafialmasry about Freenode
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12:59<zlatan>!tell wafialmasry ubuntu
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13:01<wafialmasry>i have this M
13:01<wafialmasry>178.52.123.224
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13:01<wafialmasry>* Looking up irc.freenode.net
13:01<wafialmasry>* Connecting to chat.freenode.net (213.179.58.83) port 6667...
13:01<wafialmasry>* Connected. Now logging in...
13:01<wafialmasry>* *** Looking up your hostname...
13:01<wafialmasry>* *** Checking Ident
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13:06<Aleric>Is there an inverse of the 'eval' shell builtin?
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13:07<tale>Aleric: What would that inverse do exactly?
13:08<Aleric>It would change a string such that when you use eval on the result you get back the original string.
13:08<tale>Aleric: Eval is: The args are read and concatenated together into a single com‐ mand. This command is then read and executed by the shell, and its exit status is returned as the value of eval.
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13:08<tale>Aleric: I do not see how the inverse would be possible.
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13:09<Aleric>What I'm trying to do is write a scrip that executes a remote command (using ssh), and I want to make it work for arguments that have spaces in it, or quotes etc.
13:10<tale>Aleric: It does not seem your original question asked for that.
13:10<Aleric>I think it is :p
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13:10<Aleric>Suppose that what I asked is called lave (inverse of eval ;) ...
13:11<Aleric>Then I think this would do it:
13:11<tale>Aleric: For bash, use arguments as "$@"
13:11<Aleric>ARGS=; for arg in "$@"; do ARGS+=$(lave $arg); done; ssh remotehost $ARGS
13:11<tale>Aleric: That should solve problems with multiple arguments and spaces.
13:12<Aleric>nope, doesn't
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13:12<tale>Aleric: I think it does, but remotehost $args again has problems with multiple arguments and spaces.
13:13<mindThomas>Hi. I have a very odd situation currently with Pulseaudio as I'm unable to get my loopback to work properly. I can play a sample thru Pulseaudio and the selected sink fine and I can also record audio using parec to a wave file from the source without any problems. But when I connect the two using a loopback I can't hear the input in the output (speaker)
13:13<Aleric>I'm currently using: ARGS+="\"$arg\" " that makes it work for spaces, until your arguments contain double quotes :p
13:13<Aleric>I know it doesn't; it was the first thing I tried.
13:16<tale>Aleric: Use Python to build the argument list. Then it is easier to build it correctly with "" aroud arguments and escaping " inside argument.
13:16<tale>Aleric: Or perhaps if your arguments contain "-characters, use
13:16<Aleric>I never learned python :(
13:16<tale>use
13:16<tale>use ' around the argument.
13:16<Aleric>mindThomas: sorry, sound is magic to me and pulseaudio the worst of all.
13:17<Jb_boin>bracing variables is usually a good thing in shell
13:18<Jb_boin>and you might use eval for what you try to do
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13:18<Aleric>This makes it work for spaces and double quotes: ARGS+="\"$(echo $arg | sed -e 's/"/\\"/g')\" "
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13:19<Aleric>I guess single quotes should be expanded to "'" ... And then the backslashes and I got my lave.
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13:21<flamperdm>hola
13:21<jemadux>how about avidemux ?
13:21<jemadux>not in sid
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13:23<flamperdm>quien habla espanol?
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13:26<Aleric>http://codepad.org/566yNSLC
13:26<Aleric>It works :)
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13:39<Guest5436>grafic
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14:21<Meistarin2>&nick Meistarin
14:21<Meistarin2>Ups
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14:33<cargill>hi, I have a multiarch issue, I try to install i386 qt libraries on an amd64 machine, but dpkg is complaining about changelog.gz being different (the packages are binary uploads +b1, so changelogs indeed differ), is there some way to work around this?
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14:34<abrotman>complaining how?
14:34<cargill>trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libqt4-xml/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libqt4-xml:i386
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14:35<abrotman>cargill: this is wheezy?
14:35<cargill>yes
14:35<abrotman>you can force-ovewrite ?
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14:36<Aleric>Anyone got an idea how I can associate a handler with some file extension in google-chrome?
14:36<cargill>is there an apt-get/aptitude option for that or do I need to do it manually with dpkg?
14:37<cargill>Aleric: if chrome uses mime info, edit ~/.mailcap
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14:37<cargill>this of course applies system wide
14:37<cargill>(for that user of course)
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14:39<abrotman>!tell cargill about overwrite
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15:35<afuentes>whats the best way to get remote desktop under a very low bandwidth with something from repositories. I have ssh access to the box
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15:38<devil>ssh -X?
15:38<afuentes>devil, it does not goes well :/
15:39<afuentes>i already tried
15:39<devil>it does for me. what is wrong?
15:39<afuentes>very slow
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15:39<devil>hm, can't really confirm that
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15:39<sakax>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=84022&p=451146#p451146
15:40<sakax>can someone has a look to my iPod problem in Debian
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15:40<afuentes>devil, im tried both with C and without C..
15:40<afuentes>very slow :S
15:40<sakax>i just installed latest kernel linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae and nothing changed
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15:41<devil>sakax: does fdisk -l see it?
15:42<devil>oh, justscrolled up. it is bitching about the fat filesystem
15:42<devil>no kernel will change that
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15:43<sakax>it works in the end
15:43<abrotman>saying its mounting it twice ..
15:43<abrotman>perhaps a udev issue
15:43<simonlnu>ssh -X is X forwarding, not compression
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15:44<afuentes>yeah simonlnu , im doing -X. I dont mean its not working, i mean is very slow... thru my link
15:44<abrotman>simonlnu: see above about with/without C
15:44<simonlnu>i saw that after o_O
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15:59<Aleric>I'm at a complete loss :(
15:59<sakax>abrotman: i did some reading on udev but nothing special is included in the conf and rules file
15:59<sakax>however following devil's fdisk advice i was able to notice
15:59<sakax>http://paste.debian.net/187276/
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16:00<sakax>2 different partitions on my ipod
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16:00<Aleric>When I "open" a .torrent file in google-chrome it opens it with 'kget', but I can't find WHY :/. There is no kget mime entry :/. Besides, I added my own mailcap mime entry, which is being ignored :(
16:00<sakax>how can i setup debian only 2 mount the 2nd partition ?
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16:01<devil>Aleric: go to properties on the torrent file by right click and tell it to use transmission or what you prefer
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16:02<Aleric>devil: There is nothing in google-chrome to tell it what to use to open it :(. Where can I find this properties?
16:02<devil>Aleric: i did not say that
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16:02<sakax>its not in chrome
16:02<sakax>save a torrent file on your hdd
16:02<devil>Aleric: right click on the torrent itself
16:02<sakax>rightclick the torrent
16:02<Aleric>In what application?
16:03<Aleric>I'm normally only using command lines...
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16:05<Aleric>Ok, I found what you mean in 'Dolphin'
16:05<Aleric>But where does that get it's information from? Cause it only lists transmission and kget.. and I want some other program.
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16:10<sakax>how can i avoid a partition of a usb device being automatically mounted ?
16:11<abrotman>udev rules
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16:12<Aleric>sakax: I'm interested in that too, I think... Lemme help... As soon as I got THIS working :/
16:12<hendry>is there a way of tricking apt-get that i do infact have a dependency installed?
16:12<ansgar>hendry: equivs
16:13<sakax>ok - solution has to be udev related at least :)
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16:16<devil>hendry: can you elaborate?
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16:16<devil>hendry: oh, solved already :)
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16:18<sakax>abrotman: shouldn't this be done in etc/fstab ?
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16:23<abrotman>sakax: does the automount program write to your fstab ?
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16:27<sakax>i havent used automount yet
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16:28<abrotman>so the computer doesn't mount your ipod partitions?
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16:29<sakax>yes it does
16:29<sakax>i havent done anything
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16:29<sakax>its not mentioned in fstab
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16:29<sakax>and also not mentioned under udev config and rules
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16:30<sakax>i am now looking in package autofs
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16:32<Hydroxide>every OS has that
16:32<Hydroxide>err, wrong window
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17:28<sakax>it's xfce4 which is automounting my usb drives
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17:28<sakax>not udev
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17:28<abrotman>....
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17:32<mdik>where the hell does flashplugin buffer to nowadays?
17:32<mdik>a year ago or so it was /tmp
17:32<mdik>but not anymore :(
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18:03<marco_>hola
18:03<debdemon>hello... is it a kernel panic when scroll and cap lock LEDs are flashing (and system is unresponsive /frozen)?
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18:04<debdemon>I don't know how to diagnose this... I read someplace to use kdump... but, I couldn't install it :-/
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18:11<darkskiez>debdemon: yes it is, the flashing is morse code
18:11<darkskiez>debdemon: usually for "Kernel Panic: Aiiieee Killing interrupt handler"
18:12<darkskiez>if it is happening regularly, if you have something to connect to as a serial console, that can be easier to capture
18:13<debdemon>huh?
18:13<darkskiez>its either flakey hardware or a driver bug, do you have any 3rd party kernel modules, like ati/nvidia gfx drivers?
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18:14<debdemon>unfortunately, yes? :) nvidia driver 302.17
18:14<debdemon>i think that's the ver. #
18:14<debdemon>installed, debian way
18:15<darkskiez>that makes things a little harder to diagnose even if you do get a trace
18:16<debdemon>I've installed the nvidia driver b4 and never had this problem, though
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18:16<debdemon>I also ran SMART tests with my hard drives in parted magic
18:17<darkskiez>its unlikely to be hdd failure, and smart tests arent _that_ useful
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18:18<darkskiez>could even be something like a maxxed out PSU causing cpu/ram/mobo/gfx/other issues
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18:18<darkskiez>is it repeatable ? how often does it happen?
18:23<debdemon>hmmmmm
18:23<debdemon>quite often, I think... maybe not every day...
18:24<debdemon>I get crashes quite often... where the entire system is unresponsive... or when the mouse cursor moves but I can't do anything
18:24<debdemon>but, the LEDs aren't often part of it... but, today it was
18:25<darkskiez>if u dont do 3d gaming
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18:25<darkskiez>maybe try the nouveux driver
18:25<debdemon>I don't do any gaming
18:25<debdemon>would like to in the future to say I've done it but for now, I want to avoid the crashes
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18:25<debdemon>I think it happened b4 I installed the driver, though... I can't recall... I didn't make notes on this... ;-{
18:26<darkskiez>games work under nouveaux but maybe not as fast
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18:26<darkskiez>right, it probably wont fix your issues, but it helps diagnose them if u get kdump or serial console
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18:27<debdemon>I think I have to switch mirrors?
18:28<darkskiez>to do what?
18:28<darkskiez>only if your current mirror is too slow
18:28<debdemon>darkskiez, what does it mean when I get a msg about 'hash' w.r.t. the mirror? I couldn't install kdump
18:28<darkskiez>out of context i dont know what that is
18:28<darkskiez>full msg
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18:30<debdemon>oh nm... must have been a server glitch?
18:30<debdemon>it worked
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18:30<darkskiez>you'll want to install kdump-tools, your kernel image package with -dbg, edit your grub config to add crashkernel=128M, edit /etc/default/kdump-tools to set it to 1
18:30<debdemon>now, I have to configure it? never used it b4
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19:23<AnalBeard>has anyone got any experience with nfs and acls?
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19:38<Rotaerk>hmm this Gw2.dat file is rather large
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19:39<coreyb>hey team
19:39<coreyb>is it possible to edit the size of a partition that i have linux installed on?
19:40<coreyb>i wanna make room for windows.
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19:44<devil>coreyb: gparted can do it
19:45<coreyb>gparted?
19:45<devil>coreyb: but installing windows after linux can be a real pain
19:45<devil>gparted!
19:45<coreyb>because of the bootloader?
19:45<devil>yes
19:45<coreyb>windows will install its own bootloader correct?
19:45<coreyb>but it wont see linux... right?
19:45<devil>yes, overwrite grub
19:46<coreyb>but then i can run a live disc and devil can walk me through reinstalling grub?
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19:46<devil>coreyb: hardly, it's 01:46 am :)
19:46<devil>coreyb: but it's documented
19:47<coreyb>maybe you just need some redbull
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19:47<devil>nope, no rebukll on me.
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19:47<coreyb>i came to linux... mostly because i was bored i think.
19:47<coreyb>and linux is cool once you get the hang of it. its really reliable it seems.
19:47<coreyb>but then again i've never used windows 7 so i'm not sure how reliable that is.
19:47<coreyb>it also could be reliable..
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19:49<devil>from what i heard, it is not bad on strong iron
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19:50<coreyb>i'm not sure what you're trying to say :(
19:50<coreyb>whats strong iron?
19:50<devil>it needs potent hardware to be fun
19:50<coreyb>ah i see.
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19:50<coreyb>yeah my hardware isn't too well. which is why i'm running lxde.
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19:51<coreyb>idk, i sure this is a discussion had a thousand times.
19:52<coreyb>all i need is for it to work, i really like with linux not having to worry about virus.
19:52<coreyb>virii?
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19:54<devil>yes
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20:10<debdemon>coreyb, what is your hardware?
20:10<debdemon>is your grub screwed up? :)
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20:20<coreyb>p4 3ghz
20:20<coreyb>1gb mem
20:21<jerry_>unga bunga bunga
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20:23<coreyb>?
20:23<coreyb>maybe i shouldn't install win7 on 1gb of mem
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20:33<debdemon>yeah, seems low for win7
20:34<debdemon>add one more stick of 1gb and if you have 2 512mb, then change it to 2 sticks of 1gb each
20:34<abrotman>debdemon: this isn't a Windows support channel
20:34<debdemon>I'm looking on ebay for 2 sticks of 1gb ... cuz there's a pentium 4 here that's slow
20:34<debdemon>oh...sorry.. use lxde or xfce w/ debian :)
20:35<abrotman>wtf ...
20:35<debdemon>ftw? :)
20:35<abrotman>please try to stay on topic, Debian
20:36<debdemon>oh, he's gone anyway.... :-o
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20:52<pepper>hello
20:53<pepper>is anybody there?
20:53<devil>nope
20:54<devil>just ask
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20:56<pepper>I'm trying to figure out whether this cl-readline package is available for squeeze
20:56<pepper>it's a lisp-readline library
20:56<pepper>there were versions of it for lenny
20:56<pepper>but when I try to install it, aptitude tells me that it can't find anything
20:57<devil>it's not in sid, that's for sure
20:58<devil>actuály it's not in debian anymore
20:58<devil>are you sure about the name?
20:58<pepper>okay...that's probably because there's some alternative?
20:58<pepper>no I'm not I just know that readline is broken for this program that I'm using
20:58<pepper>and the program was written in lisp
20:58<devil>all there is, is http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cl-readline
20:59<devil>i have no idea what cl-readline is, or about alternatives. besides that it is 03 am and I am gone :)
21:00<pepper>no prob I'll try reinstalling all the lisp libraries that show up
21:01<Kr0mAgn0n>hi
21:01<pepper>hi
21:01<Kr0mAgn0n>i have a question about gedit
21:01<Kr0mAgn0n>what is the package of the debugging symbols of gedit?
21:02<devil>Kr0mAgn0n: apt-cache search gedit
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21:04<Kr0mAgn0n>i did that
21:04<Kr0mAgn0n>there is no package with the *-dbg
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21:50<pato>alguien sabe como instalar paquetes .tar desde ubuntu y la terminal?
21:50<abrotman>pato: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
21:51<pato>is a manual?
21:53<abrotman>pato: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
21:53<pato>i must actualizar my mozilla can we help me?
21:53<pato>someting?
21:53<abrotman>pato: we don't support ubuntu here, use #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
21:53<pato>ah! ok thank1
21:53<pato>!
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22:22<beakman>:O
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22:30<jeff__>i can install debian on HDD 40gb?
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22:33<abrotman>jeff__: yes
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22:49<ramadan>hi
22:49<sney>hi
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23:33<ivo888>hi, how can i change my resolution (on laptop) to 1280X800. In monitor settings give me 1024X768 and no more
23:35<simonlnu>laptops can't always do that, unless it's designed to do so (used to be so, anyway, maybe they can now ;p)
23:35<ivo888>in specification this is given
23:36<fix>..
23:36<simonlnu>ok, so yours supports it. usually the worst you have to do is add some modelines if your system isn't seeing other resolutions
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23:38<simonlnu>that would be in xorg.conf or a file in /etc/X11/conf.d/ (IIRC)
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23:40<ivo888>my xorg look strange. it is almost empty :)
23:43<sney>!empty xorg.con
23:43<sney>!empty xorg.conf
23:43<sney>argh
23:43<sney>dpkg: empty xorg.conf
23:43<dpkg>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg config squeeze>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
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23:50<ivo888>thanks
23:50<ivo888>btw i saw, that i loose my nvidia driver
23:50<ivo888>i`ll try to install it
23:50<ivo888>brb
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23:57<ivo888>i try to install nvidia driver, but no luck
23:58<ivo888>first of all i do telinit 1. start the installation and it says, that is better to use telinit 3. but i continue anyway. now i try in init3, but it can`t work (it isn`t important, but strange for me why this program fake me)
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23:59<ivo888>in fact i have erro in dcc. unable to find develepment tool cc in your path. which cc don`t return anything. whereis cc return cc:
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