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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-03

---Logopened Mon Sep 03 00:00:13 2012
---Daychanged Mon Sep 03 2012
00:00<ivo888>i use debian wheezy/sid :( . no my sources are with STABLE version, but it need time to switch to them.
00:00<ivo888>or may be to use apt-get purge. and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
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00:23<fix>question: how to remove wpa_supplicant without removing gnome??
00:23<fix>Its irritating, I dont have wifi, and I dont need this process running in the background
00:23<fix>when I try apt-get remove the crap, it tries to also remove gnome
00:25<fix>oh nevermind
00:25<fix>lol
00:25<fix>its removing
00:26<fix>my wpasupplicant was causing kernel panics
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00:26<fix>Sep 2 21:21:18 poop kernel: [ 139.258145] eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002)
00:26<fix>Sep 2 21:21:18 poop wpa_supplicant[1076]: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - Disconnect event - remove keys
00:26<fix>over and over and over and over
00:26<fix>rapidly
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00:35<peek>connect irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp-users
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01:07<|Anthony|>doing a test install in a vm, it is hanging at "Configure the clock"
01:07<|Anthony|>:(
01:07<|Anthony|>seems stuck actually
01:08<|Anthony|>is there a way to abort the attempt to fetch the time from NTP
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01:30<pinguy>sudo apt-get install onboard
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01:34<Guest5512>is java better than .net?
01:34<XReaper>java is portable
01:35<XReaper>to wherever you have a JVM
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01:39<Guest5512>Python is a horrible language
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01:42<rjsalts>Guest5512: It's complicated, but offtopic, take the discussion to #debian-offtopic or something
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01:44<oscar>holas:)
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03:28<fix>Question: Anyone know any handy 1 liners to display the number of lines that are in a given text file?
03:29<nevyn>fix wc -l file ?
03:29<fix>oh
03:29<fix>lemme try
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03:29<nevyn>like you could rube goldberg it with awk or perl or something but wc exists for this pretty much
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03:30<nevyn>awk ' END { print $NR } '
03:30<fix>lol
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03:31<fix>deviant:/mnt/third/wifu/wordlists# wc -l German.dic
03:31<fix>1738422 German.dic
03:31<fix>that works
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03:31<fix>thanks
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03:35<thing>hello
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03:36<nevyn>!tell thing about ask
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03:36<nevyn>hi thing
03:37<thing>is there a cache directory of iceweasel? in about:config you can set some cache parameters but not the actual directory
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03:42<tale>thing: Yes, in ~/.mozilla/firefox/<profilename>/Cache
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03:44<thing>thx tale there is an add on too
03:44<thing>the view cache continued
03:44<thing>with a browser
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03:45<thing>mmm /view cache continued/CacheViewer Continued
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04:02<grummund>Good morning... Is it OK to rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* in order to save disk space?
04:03<nevyn>grummund: I prefer aptitude autoclean but yeah.
04:04<nevyn>don't remove the partial directory
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04:04<nevyn>nothing makes it
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04:04<nevyn>grummund: just use apt-get clean
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04:05<grummund>or aptitude clean, even it seems
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04:07<grummund>out of curiosity, why does apt maintain .deb files for installed packages anyway?
04:07<grummund>i mean, what is lost by deleting them?
04:08<nevyn>notmuch.
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04:20<TobiX>grummund: AFAIR, the resoning behind it is for easy rollback to a recently overwritten version...
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04:21<TobiX>And on most systems, disc space is cheaper then bandwidth...
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06:40<maarekkevin>Hello, I need help, I've just installed Debian and it's start with "Debian GUN/Linux 6.0 localhost tty1" asking me a localhost loggin and a password. I don't know what to do, with my user login informations and root information, it says it's incorrect. Could you help me ?
06:41<TobiX>maarekkevin: You named your system localhost in the installation?
06:41<maarekkevin>no :/
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06:42<ectospasm>maarekkevin: you should boot into single user mode and reset both root and normal user passwords
06:42<maarekkevin>how do i do that ?
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06:43<ectospasm>dpkg: tell maarekkevin about single user mode
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06:48<maarekkevin>@ectospasm, ok, but I can't do anything, I boot, and I can't type anything else than what it's asked me : a localhost loigin...
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06:50<ectospasm>maarekkevin: did you boot rescue mode?
06:50<maarekkevin>yes
06:50<ectospasm>it should have dropped you to a root shell
06:50<TobiX>maarekkevin: It sounds a bit strange that your newly installed system claims to be called localhost even if that isn't the hostname you gave during installation...
06:51<maarekkevin>But, it's not..
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06:53<ectospasm>maarekkevin: so reboot, edit the grub option, and add the word "single" to the kernel command line.
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06:57<maarekkevin>which line the Kernel command line ?
06:57<maarekkevin>I have only 9 lines
06:58<TobiX>maarekkevin: Starts with "linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0" ore something like that
06:59<EmleyMoor>Is there any software useful with GPS in Debian?
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06:59<TobiX>EmleyMoor: gpsdrive, merkaartor, etc. - What do you need?
06:59<maarekkevin>ok, I'm trying thank you
07:00<EmleyMoor>TobiX: Just wondering - the WWAN card in my new laptop is also GPS
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07:01<EmleyMoor>Or might be, anyway
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07:02<TobiX>EmleyMoor: I have that in my Thinkpad, but didn't bother to get it to work yet...
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07:06<maarekkevin>I've add the word Sigle, as you told me but it didnt change anything..
07:07<EmleyMoor>It's "single", not "Sigle"
07:07<maarekkevin>yes, sorry, single.
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07:08<ectospasm>did you boot it with 'single'?
07:09<maarekkevin>yes
07:09<ectospasm>it should have dropped you to a shell, then...
07:09<ectospasm>...without asking for a password.
07:10<maarekkevin>no it doesent drop me in a Shell
07:10<ectospasm>then you're doing something wrong.
07:11<ectospasm>you did ensure that the caps lock wasn't on when you typed the original passwords, didn't you?
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07:16<kveroneau>Having some issues with a wheezy install. Using the open source radeon module, and having Xorg issues galore...
07:16<maarekkevin>yeah
07:17<kveroneau>Firstly, I was having issues with posting my second monitor, as modesetting was only posting 1 monitor during boot.
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07:17<kveroneau>Fixed this by running: echo 1 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/blank
07:18<kveroneau>This enabled both monitors to work, so I went ahead and restarted kdm, now I'm in KDE, and the second screen isn't even working right.
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07:19<kveroneau>KDE is only using 1 screen, and when I switched back to the console, then back to X. The other screen remained on the console view.
07:19<kveroneau>Oddly, my X mouse cursor seems to move over there there.
07:20<kveroneau>Has anyone had similar issues and found a fix for dual-monitors in radeon in wheezy?
07:20<kveroneau>I wouldn't be using wheezy, if it wasn't for my wireless card, so I'm thinking of trying to boot the wheezy kernel with squeeze to see what happens.
07:22<kveroneau>In squeeze I'm using fglrx, which works perfectly, but this driver isn't yet supported in the latest Xorg version, so it doesn't work in wheezy yet.
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07:22<maarekkevin>Thank you, i'll try to reinstall, maybe i've done somthing wrong
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07:37<scarface_> - installing citadel
07:37<scarface_>....
07:37<scarface_>need some dependecy for debian.
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08:20<mz|`>hello
08:20<mz|`>patch-tracker.debian.org is currently down, do you have an ETA to give me or a mirror available please ? :)
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08:26<mz|`>anyone up
08:26<mz|`>?
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08:39<shtrb>After an upgrade I don't see my mobile phone in network-manager app (usbpn0 exists) any ideas ?
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08:40<shtrb>*connection vua
08:40<shtrb>*via usb
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08:46<perlwizard>are there any companie that do professional contract debian support
08:46<perlwizard>for $$
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08:49<blarson>perlwizard: you can ask on the debian-consultants mailing list
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08:50<abrotman>perlwizard: debian.org/consultants
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08:50<perlwizard>thanks
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08:57<EmleyMoor>nm-connection-editor: when I try to mark a connection as available to all users it asks for a password - yet no password I have tried seems to work. What password does it want exactly?
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09:32<mz|`>EmleyMoor: generally the keyring asks for the first password when you installed the system (even if you change the password of the user afterwards in cmdline)
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09:33<EmleyMoor>I don't think it's the keyrinc
09:33<EmleyMoor>keyring
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10:20<Astrocz>Hi, I've made a terrible mistake and I really need help. I've echo'ed jiffies into current_clocksource (I've been told to try different clocksources) and the time stopped, what should I do to start it again (and reset current_clocksource to tsc or whatever else). Thanks so much for response!
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10:25<ompaul>Astrocz: not saying these are right but they work for me tsc hpet acpi_pm and btw don't be messingaround with that
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10:26<ompaul>Astrocz: that's my current_clocksource
10:27<Aleric>I can't find a good application to play a .pls :/
10:27<abrotman>totem ?
10:27<Aleric>It's just internet radio... don't want an app that takes up half my screen with video.
10:28<Aleric>And it should have a good interface to switch between streams.
10:28<Aleric>There used to be one.. xmms :/
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10:28<ompaul>you can try audacious in that case
10:29<Astrocz>But I dost see the way how to change the value of the current_clocksource, because I cant echo to that file (because the time is not running?)
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10:31<babilen>Astrocz: You can set it during boot as a kernel parameter (e.g. "clocksource=tsc")
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10:31<|Anthony|>what is the preferred method of installing wheezy? Regular install media and add wheezy repos ofter install, or use beta wheezy installer?
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10:32<babilen>Anybody found some good documentation on jiffies, tsc, hpet, acpi_pm and jiffies or might be willing to elaborate why I should care?
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10:32<Astrocz>babilen, thanks, i'll try that
10:33<abrotman>|Anthony|: depends if you want to help test the installer, or get a working system
10:33<|Anthony|>lol abrotman
10:33<|Anthony|>little bit of both hehe
10:33<babilen>|Anthony|: Both should work -- The former allows you to test the upgrade path and the latter the new installer. I used the beta some days ago and am happy with it. Please also note that we have a testing/unstable channel (#debian-next)
10:33<|Anthony|>i'm installing in a vm
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10:34<|Anthony|>tbh, i am going to be testing systemd straight away
10:34<|Anthony|>would be nice *if* there was a way to have that installed from the installer
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10:43<makinavaja>mm
10:43<makinavaja>mmmmm
10:43<makinavaja>mm
10:43<makinavaja>mm
10:43<makinavaja>m
10:43<makinavaja>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
10:44<makinavaja>olaa
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10:44<calisto>makinavaja: hola..
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10:45<|Anthony|>hehe
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10:48<Astrocz>I've done a lot of googling but found nothing that would help me, I'm sorry to bother you again, but how do I set boot parms?
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10:49<Astrocz>Remotelly.
10:50<carter>yes
10:51<carter>hey whats up
10:52<Astrocz>I'm trying to figure out how to set boot parms remotely, but I have no clue how to do that (yet)...
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10:54<roughnecks>Astrocz: i think you should take a look at /etc/default/grub
10:55<perlwizard>how to prevent cron from sending emails ?
10:55<perlwizard>I've tried MAIL="" as first line of crontab but it still sends them
10:55<daemonkeeper>> /dev/null 2>&1
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10:55<perlwizard>I'll try that daemonkeeper
10:55<babilen>Astrocz: Do you have some means to access a remote rescue console that allows you to fiddle with grub's settings?
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10:57<Astrocz>There is no file named grub in /etc/default/
10:58<abrotman>Astrocz: there should be .. what bootloader are you using?
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11:00<Astrocz>I thought that it was grub, because in /boot there are just two dirs: grub and lost+found (which is not a loader?)
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11:18<loco>hola
11:19<loco>hola
11:19<ajeng>hi can u see me
11:19<ajeng>test
11:19<daemonkeeper>Unfortunately we can't.
11:19<daemonkeeper>We might be able to read you, however.
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11:20<ajeng>i mean that is
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11:42<hsmith>what it do
11:42<gdb>!ask
11:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:44<Maulkin>Or leaving is another option I guess.
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11:50<abrotman>heh
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11:51<citymaj>yo
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11:52<citymaj>cant access root folder please help
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11:53<gdb>citymaj: I don't understand your question. What are you trying to do and what error is preventing you from doing it?
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11:54<movl>citymaj: is that /root or / ?
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13:25<AnDsO>http://paste.ubuntu.com/1183966/ any solutions
13:26<AnDsO>net-snmp installation
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13:26<Maulkin>AnDsO: Are you running ubuntu by some chance?
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13:27<AnDsO>?
13:27<Maulkin>!tell AnDsO about ubuntu
13:27<movl>same old song...
13:27<AnDsO>yea i dont use ubuntu i use centos
13:27<abrotman>....
13:28<movl>and this is #debian...
13:28<Maulkin>...
13:28<abrotman>AnDsO: this is #debian, ask #centos on irc.freenode.net
13:28<AnDsO>yea thats why m asking questions :D
13:28<AnDsO>net-snmp not work on ubuntu?
13:29<Maulkin>AnDsO: Talk to Ubuntu. Not Debian.
13:29<AnDsO>both different ?
13:29<Maulkin>Yes. See what dpkg told you
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13:30<AnDsO>hmm
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13:34<cris>.l.
13:34<cris>:)
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13:51<EmleyMoor>Is there a businesscard image for installing wheezy?
13:52<EmleyMoor>(netinst is too large to meet my requirements)
13:52<abrotman>too large?
13:53<EmleyMoor>231MB - won't fit into 185
13:53<abrotman>EmleyMoor: http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/ .. good luck
13:53<chealer>EmleyMoor: not anymore
13:54<EmleyMoor>chealer: Oh :-(
13:55<EmleyMoor>Well, I'll just have to use a stand-alone stick to set up my new laptop... unless I decide (at this stage!) to put squeeze on it
13:57<EmleyMoor>Might have room for it if I take the squeeze installer off, or if I use a bigger stick
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14:04<paolina>ciao
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14:12<Guest5580>hi i removed deepin from my system and want to reboot to see changes plz tell me how i update grub for generate new grub .iam on ubuntu 12.04
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14:12<sney>!ubuntuirc Guest5580
14:12<dpkg>Guest5580: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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14:13<Guest5580>thanks
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14:15<ynoky>ciao
14:15<ynoky>!list
14:15<dpkg>ynoky: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
14:15<abrotman>heh
14:15<abrotman>i love it when that one comes out
14:16<ynoky>!list
14:16<dpkg>ynoky: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
14:16<sney>I kind of miss VATTENE VIA sometimes though
14:16<ynoky>Accirt
14:16<sney>ynoky: non ce
14:16<ynoky>!list
14:16<dpkg>ynoky: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
14:17<ynoky>co ss o
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14:17<abrotman>ynoky: this is not a warez channel
14:18<abrotman>sney: it's still there i think
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14:18<abrotman>oh, nope
14:19<sney>it was too rude to live
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15:11<|Anthony|>anyone in here using/testing systemd in debian
15:12<SynrG>if not here, maybe in #debian-next which supports testing/unstable
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15:14<|Anthony|>very well SynrG
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15:14<|Anthony|>i'm also in #systemd on freenode talking with folks there
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15:41<alan_>can anyone help by installing af canon lbp 1120 printer
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15:42<devil>alan_: did you check linuxprinting.org?
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15:44<alan_>devil I will look at that. i'm brand new at linux, but this printer problem has been the only one, but its really importnet for me to get this to work
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15:46<alpre>When using the resolvconf package, do I just have to add a line in /etc/network/interfaces for a nameserver, and then maybe update it? It won't add the server specified there to resolv.conf. Is it a problem if the specified server is in a different network than the interface?
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15:47<alpre>I have one pc acting as a gateway, in the same network as my nameserver, and resolvconf seems to work on it. But another, behind this gateway, on a different network than the nameserver, won't add the nameserver using resolvconf.
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16:01<zlatan>hi folks, I experienced problem with my laptop... The installer couldn't pass network scaning (I tried Ubuntu also but the same) and when I tried putting back win7 it all went okay. Any idea what the problem?
16:02<engla>zlatan: what is network scanning? Maybe your wifi card needs some firmware files
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16:04<zlatan>engla, network hardware (oops sorry for mistake)... well as far as I know Ubuntu has firmwares and it doesnt work either...they both just stop doing process and go to blank screen...even from CD and USB its the same
16:04<zlatan>also wubi installer doesnt help either..it just cant boot into linux live or to go through installation process
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16:06<engla>that sounds buggy. not sure if I can help you
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16:27<hilikus>is there any way to see my stored wifi password? i don't see any entries in the keyring
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16:29<thomasbomb>Is there anyone here with knowledge on getting the PVR 150 to work on debian (squeeze)?
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16:37<tara>hello
16:37<tara>where am I?
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16:37<simonlnu>#debian, on an irc server
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16:38<simonlnu>...
16:38<ompaul>simonlnu: late answer is late?
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16:38<simonlnu>one hand typing
16:38<ompaul>what is the sound?
16:39<ompaul>all clicks no clacks :)
16:39<gsimmons>thomasbomb: That device is supported by ivtv Linux kernel driver ; /msg dpkg ivtv
16:39*simonlnu is not going to make everyone's bells ring/flash
16:40<pegasus>evening people. I want to try out Xfce, and currently have a bog standard install of squeeze with a tasksel of GNOME Desktop Environment. How can I migrate to Xfce? Or is it just simply easier/simpler/safer to install Xfce ALONGSIDE Gnome, for now?
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16:40<ompaul>pegasus: much safer if you are in any way unsure to install it along side and open up the session in xfce
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16:41<pegasus>ompaul: I'm not that low on diskspace but it seems a bit silly to have to keep something I don't use maintained, but in this case most of those libs, gtk+ , are a common dep right?
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16:42<ompaul>pegasus: some stuff might be useful to you
16:42<ompaul>as for the trouble a few packages getting upgraded now and again and offering choice never a bad thing
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16:43<simonlnu>gtk is common to both yes
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16:43<pegasus>ompaul: I only need, and I use the term need very loosly it's more want, Xfce to be able to run Chrome. I dont' really use any GUI apps. I use mutt/slrn/ssh that's about it
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16:44<ompaul>pegasus: seems like more work to clean up than otherwise
16:44<pegasus>ompaul: I'll install both :)
16:44<ompaul>it's not like apt-get update / upgrade is a hard set of commands
16:44<pegasus>I only ask as I did try and REMOVE xfce from CentOS once and it broke everything. but i think dependenices work differently between yum and apt.
16:45<simonlnu>what if you sprain something typing that?
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16:45<simonlnu>very likely...
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16:45<ompaul>simonlnu: still very much the same effort on the part of the typist
16:45<pegasus>ompaul: no it's not the commands so much as the constant trickle of updates from security.debian.org etc
16:46<simonlnu>ompaul: sure is, and you don't usually hire someone to tpye commands for you.
16:46<ompaul>pegasus: it's a trickle and you should be checking anyhow you only need to reboot on kernels
16:46<pegasus>simonlnu: you don't even need to type it. you can fetch the updates via cron :) apticron!
16:46<ompaul>simonlnu: think of the mtbf on keyboards :)
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16:46<pegasus>ompaul: it's a laptop
16:46<simonlnu>several million
16:47<ompaul>well if you have to go tracking down each package that you might not want ...
16:47<pegasus>mind you, one of the console www clients is graphical anyway right? is it links2 ? maybe I should try that first :)
16:47<ompaul>you could save one of those millions
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17:30<alpre>When using the resolvconf package, do I just have to add a line in /etc/network/interfaces for a nameserver, and then maybe update it? It won't add the server specified there to resolv.conf. Is it a problem if the specified server is in a different network than the interface?
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17:46<bipbip>hello
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18:02<EmleyMoor>How is Radeon support in wheezy?
18:03<abrotman>hopefully better than squeeze?
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18:03*EmleyMoor is getting a ThinkPad very soon
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18:04<abrotman>i have one with an intel card, works great ..
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18:04<EmleyMoor>abrotman: No choice on mine - had to have the Radeon
18:04<abrotman>it did?
18:05<EmleyMoor>Yes - it was the only option
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18:06<abrotman>weird ..
18:06<abrotman>which family?
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18:07<EmleyMoor>X
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18:08<citymaj88>whats wheezy
18:08<abrotman>citymaj88: the code name for the next stable release, currently testing
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18:08<abrotman>EmleyMoor: ah, i have a T
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18:08<citymaj88>stable release offfff
18:09<abrotman>right ...
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18:37<Guest5606>sono nuovo utilizzatore ubuntu...
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18:40<sneex>can yuo guys disable the error "this document has expired" in ice weasel?
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18:40<sneex>you* ... yuo;s guys :P
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18:40<sneex>lol
18:40<devil>sneex: nope
18:41<devil>we guys can't do that.
18:41<devil>but a appropriate bug report might
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18:46<abrotman>doubtful .. sounds like it's telling him that he's used the submit button on that page, and the results are no longer active
18:46<sneex>lol no sense in reoprting a bug that has been on-going for month if not years and Mozilla isn't interested in fixing it .. just sad that ice weasel has pick up Moz bad habits. I'll find another Web Browser :( terrible...
18:46<abrotman>it's not a bug
18:46<abrotman>it's user error
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18:46<sneex>nope, niot a bug ... just a bad idea
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18:47<abrotman>user error ...
18:47<sneex>you guys kill me lol 2ff I say I want to do X and you say X isn't as good as Y >< I say I will do X withot you :P lol
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18:48<abrotman>get the cat off your keyboard
18:48<daybson>suhdauhsduahsduasd
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18:50<sneex>peace
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18:51<abrotman>i won't even ask ...
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19:11<Compgeke>Good Afternoon (\evening\morning)
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19:16<joseph-soares>how do I create a new user and don't show it on logon screen?
19:16<abrotman>dont' show it on the screen ?
19:16<joseph-soares>abrotman, Yes. For example. When I install Apache, it create an user named www-data, and it doesn't appears on screen
19:17<abrotman>joseph-soares: look in the scripts, see how it does it
19:17<joseph-soares>abrotman, what scripts?
19:18<abrotman>joseph-soares: /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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19:39<Compgeke>Hello again, I should keep connection this time
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19:42<Compgeke>Ok, I'm just curious, has anyone here ever attempted an install of Debian on a Sparc system (Sunfire V480 is the one in question)?
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20:04<ReichSk>Uu\
20:04<ramadan>hi
20:04<ReichSk>hi
20:04<Compgeke>Hello
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20:05<ramadan>how much people are online now
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20:05<Compgeke>487
20:05<Compgeke>488 now (according to my userlist on the side)
20:05<ReichSk>yep
20:05<ramadan>where are the girls here
20:06<Compgeke>there's girls on teh interwebz?
20:06<abrotman>ahem ..
20:06<Compgeke>I've only ever seen two
20:06<abrotman>Compgeke: that's quite enough
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20:06<ramadan>whats the name of them
20:07<abrotman>ramadan: do you need help with Debian?
20:07<ramadan>yes
20:07<abrotman>so let's hear your question
20:07<ramadan>how can man chat here
20:08<abrotman>...
20:08<ReichSk>lol
20:08<Compgeke>I'm curious to know what the tech level is to install Debian on a Sunfire V480
20:08<abrotman>Compgeke: x86_64 or sparc ?
20:08<Compgeke>(since I know shit about SPARC but I'm getting a server tomorrow)
20:08<Compgeke>SPARC
20:09<abrotman>Compgeke: i doubt X will work, hope you didn't need that
20:09<Compgeke>Dual 1.2 GHz UltraSparc processors (make it somewhat harder)
20:09<Compgeke>I don't, it doesn't even have a video card, only terminal
20:09<abrotman>it has a 'video card'
20:09<abrotman>did you read the sparc install manual?
20:10<Compgeke>Sunfire V480 requires you to connect a terminal, it has no video. I believe there was a video option but the one I'm getting doesn't have it
20:10<abrotman>that should be fun
20:11<Compgeke>yeah, since I need to go find my RJ45 to serial cable I believe
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20:13<ReichSk>-.-
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20:14<abrotman>Compgeke: well, i'd probably find the sparc install manual
20:14<Compgeke>I got it loading (I'm in the middle of nowhere so 3G is quite slow)
20:15<Compgeke>I believe I'm going to need to compile the 64-bit kernel
20:15<abrotman>is there even a sparc64 anynmore?
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20:18<Compgeke>Probably not with the latest Linux kernel, SPARC Is fairly dead (kind of like Alpha), may have been more common earlier but not really used now
20:19<abrotman>no .. not like alpha
20:19<abrotman>alphas haven't been made in almost 10 years .. you can still buy a new sparc
20:19<abrotman>and people do
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20:24<dondelelcaro>abrotman: 2007, but yes...
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20:28<Davidt>AYYYYY SEXXXXYYYY LADIES!!!
20:28<Davidt>http://adf.ly/CWhSs
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20:29<Compgeke>…I'm affraid to open that link
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20:36<abrotman>dondelelcaro: i thought it was 2004?
20:38<abrotman>maybe that was just the year they stopped designing new systems
20:38<abrotman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_Alpha#Model_history .. either way, alpha isn't really like sparc
20:38<Compgeke>My idea of Sparc stops with Sun :P
20:39<Compgeke>Oracle has always been software to me, not a hardware designer
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22:16<John5555>updated dmesg: http://pastebin.com/NiKBx7ky
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22:19<Aleric>I'm trying to stream music from one PC to another that has a soundcard. This is possible using pulseaudio. Pulseaudio however, always uses multicasting. Do have to take special measures to use multicasting over my LAN, or should that work automatically if I can make TCP connection between the PC's?
22:19<abrotman>John5555: what are you showing us ?
22:20<John5555>i've found it works but you will experience a delay
22:20<abrotman>anyone know what he's talking about ?
22:20<John5555>in the pastebin?
22:20<Aleric>John5555: was that to me?
22:20*abrotman gets out of hte delorean
22:21<John5555>Aleric: Pulsaudio multicasting works pretty well on a LAN with low delay
22:21<Aleric>John5555: I'm trying it and I receive no audio...
22:22<John5555>Aleric: the sending computer will have the greatest difference
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22:22<John5555>Aleric: you have to use the pulseaudio settings
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22:22<Aleric>I see it's broadcasting because I monitor the ethernetcard bandwidth usage, but the receiving end didn't add a new volume slider to my mixer, and I hear nothing.
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22:22<Aleric>Can you tell me how to set up the receiving end?
22:23<Aleric>The only thing I did was (in pacmd): load-module module-rtp-recv
22:23<John5555>oh don't do it manually
22:23<John5555>there's a GUI
22:23<John5555>hold on
22:23<Aleric>This uses 224.0.0.56 and I'm worried that that might be a problem, as my LAN is on 192.168.2.x
22:24<Aleric>http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Modules#module-rtp-send
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22:25<dcosta>dcosta,
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22:26<sifu_>hi! i'm downloading wheezy; I'm impatient to wait! I'm planing on dell latitude D600; any suggestions?
22:26<John5555>aha
22:26<John5555>Aleric: paprefs
22:26<sifu_>will it work out of the box?
22:26<Aleric>Is that a GUI?
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22:27<John5555>Aleric: you also need the zeroconfig module. my recommendation for keeping the source computer in closer sync is to feed from the network stream instead of from the source itself
22:27<John5555>on your output
22:27<John5555>Graphical User Interface
22:27<sifu_>squeeze xorg used to freeze on this laptop
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22:27<abrotman>sifu_: you may need some firmware for wireless
22:28<John5555>i dont know about the packets crossing routers
22:28<Aleric>John5555: there are no routers
22:28<Aleric>well, an UTP hub...
22:28<sifu_>thanks; i'll download the firmware-linux package
22:29<abrotman>depends on your system, you may need more than that
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22:29<Aleric>John5555: I'm still at a loss.
22:29<John5555>use the paprefs program
22:29<Aleric>You gave me keywords, but not what I should do now.
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22:30<John5555>what arch are you using?
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22:30<sifu_>I just hope the xorg will not freeze like it used on squeeze
22:30<John5555>what distro
22:30<Aleric>~>sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop
22:30<Aleric>[warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning).
22:31<Aleric>What's with the warning?
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22:31<sifu_>i386 debian wheezy of course on dell latitude D600
22:31<Aleric>I get that every time I boot too.
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22:32<John5555>sorry about the misplaced pastebin by the way...
22:32<John5555>ignore that warning
22:33<John5555>then you can apt-get install paprefs
22:33<Aleric>Apparently pulseaudio is running as non-root, so /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop doesn't do anything, hence the warning.
22:33<debdemon>how do you use dd?
22:33<Aleric>man dd
22:34<debdemon>I did that
22:35<debdemon>not helpful
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22:35<Aleric>debdemon: then say what you want to do
22:35<Aleric>John5555: Ok, running paprefs on both machines...
22:36<Aleric>Man this is confusing... It has a checkbox saying "Make discoverable PulseAudio network sound devices available locally"
22:36<Aleric>%-)
22:37<Aleric>Maybe it's cause I'm not native English, but I have no idea if I need that and if so, if I should check it on the side with the soundcard, or the side that plays the music.
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22:44<Aleric>John5555: Sorry, but it's totally not working :(
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22:45<debdemon>Aleric, for creating distro image (.iso)
22:45<debdemon>does one need to care about the block size? some examples have bs= N
22:46<Aleric>You don't create an .iso image with dd? You download one :p
22:47<abrotman>nor do you use dd to copy an ISO
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22:51<Aleric>Hmm, I see a new source on the receiving end... how to plug that into my mixer?
22:51<debdemon>copy the .iso to the usb drive
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22:51<John5555>in source machine you enable network access to local sound devices
22:51<John5555>and allow others to access
22:51<John5555>without authentication
22:52<John5555>if you want to make things more fine tuned, you have to do them manually with pactl
22:52<John5555>or you can use multicase and enable the receiver/sender
22:52<John5555>then you will find them in the vlume control
22:52<John5555>and you can route accordingly
22:56<Aleric>It is already visible on the receiving end
22:56<Aleric> index: 5
22:56<Aleric> name: <tunnel.hikaru.local.rtp.monitor>
22:56<Aleric> driver: <module-tunnel.c>
22:56<Aleric> flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY
22:56<Aleric> state: SUSPENDED
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22:57<Aleric>it's suspended because of being idle
22:58<Aleric> state: SUSPENDED
22:58<Aleric> suspend cause: IDLE
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23:05<Aleric>John5555: I see the new source with 'pacmd list-sources', but there is no volume control in my mixer, and the source is marked as SUSPENDED because it was idle :/
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23:06<John5555>hmm
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23:06<John5555>i remember having to play with it a lot
23:06<John5555>it was long ago
23:06<John5555>sorry i dont know more
23:06<John5555>make sure you pump some sound into it first
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23:07<kevingcfcb88>HI!
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23:07<Aleric>John5555: I am.. I see that on the network.
23:07<Aleric>The sending side seems to work.
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23:07<kevingcfcb88>can anybody help me with a problem with my trash, it doesn't show the files that i erase???
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23:12<kevingcfcb88>nobody???
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23:13<Aleric>kevingcfcb88: I never use the trash, but I'd guess the files are moved to ~/.local/share/Trash/files
23:15<kevingcfcb88>yes
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23:15<kevingcfcb88>that's right but when i double clicked the icon on the desktop don't appear the files
23:16<kevingcfcb88>show 0 items
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23:17<Trojan>hi
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23:21<Trojan>having an issue where network manager will not connect to wifi, but wicd works fine
23:21<Trojan>running debian testing
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23:28<kevingcfcb88>Aleric: that's right but when i double clicked the icon on the desktop don't appear the files, show 0 item
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