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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-13

---Logopened Thu Sep 13 00:00:15 2012
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00:43<jillsmitt>hi
00:43<jillsmitt>how can i change locale only for one user?
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00:48<Anthrax>Hello everyone
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01:01<amitz>whatt is universal lock screen command in debian?
01:01<bones_was_here>there isn't one, it's controlled by the DE
01:03<amitz>dang
01:03<jm_>xlockmore will do the job if you wan't desktop agnostic one, I use it in combination with xautolock
01:03<jm_>want too
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01:04<amitz>noted thanks
01:06<jeep>are bugs noticed in the install dvd for testing worth reporting? if so is there a faq i can read on doing so?
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01:07<jm_>jeep: try this http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120810
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01:10<jeep>jm_: thanks ill do it once i fix the kernel
01:10<marc_>hello everybody
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01:12<jm_>jeep: no worries
01:12<XReaper>jeep: well, it is testing :)
01:13<marc_>hello everyone
01:13<marc_>i need some help
01:14<XReaper>hopefully sometime next year i'll be running a shiny new wheezy install :)
01:14<XReaper>marc_: ask your question
01:14<jeep>jm_: my kernel issue is my wifi card works fine running from the dvd doing the install .. but the kernel that gets installed to boot from its not.
01:15<marc_>i want to play some shoutcast. Im running Ubuntu 12.04
01:15<jm_>jeep: which card?
01:15<XReaper>You can try #ubuntu on freenode if you want more specific support for that OS
01:16<marc_>Well im running rhythym box and have the shoutcast plugin but it doesnt install
01:16<XReaper>Hmm
01:16<jeep>jm_: its atheros ar5b125 works fine after building a kernel
01:16<marc_>maybe amarok?
01:16<marc_>oh well
01:18<XReaper>missing a player?
01:18<jm_>jeep: which driver does that use? debian's wifi page doesn't list anything with such a name
01:18<jeep>jm_: i have a .config backed up give me a sec
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01:27<jeep>jm_: ath9k which runs many other atheros \
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01:30<jm_>jeep: perhaps check if it's a known issue, here's a link to its bugs list http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k
01:31<gsimmons>jeep: Depending on the software selected for installation, you might have encountered Debian bug #682608 (known wheezy installer beta 2 issue).
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01:35<jeep>ill boot it in a minute see if i can manually load ath9k
01:36<jeep>gsimmons: yeah same symptom butinstead of reinstall i built a kernel which fixed it
01:37<jm_>it's strange if a different kernel would solve that issue
01:37<gsimmons>jeep: That shouldn't have been necessary, as the suggested workaround is to comment lines relating to wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces.
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01:46<jeep>gsimmons: yeah ill try that when i did the install 6/7 months ago i used wired nic to net install then when wifi didnt work i just hooked wire back up and built a kernel i didnt research much then
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02:27<jeep>turns out new kernel is fine its the wifi manager messing up
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03:09<siducer709_>guten morgen
03:09<siducer709_>guten morgen
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03:10<siducer709_>guten morgen
03:10<siducer709_>sorry /nick
03:10<siducer709_>funktioniert nicht
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05:33<rpetre>is there a simple way to identify what packages are installed that are not visible in any current apt source?
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05:33<rpetre>(long story short, i installed a machine using the kmuto.jp image and need to know what backported packages are on the machine)
05:34<roughnecks>i use apt-show-versions and some grep
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05:34<roughnecks>like |grep backports
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05:36<themill>!not available
05:36<dpkg>To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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06:30<rpetre>themill: thanks
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06:31<rpetre>it seems to catch the ones in my local repo too, but it's a short enough list
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07:02<manila3200>hi motherfuckers :))))
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07:17<project2501a>hey guys, what was the original reason you should not allow cgi script execution within the HTML directory?
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07:18<nevyn>project2501a: because it's readable and maybe listable?
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07:19<project2501a>ok, but how is that bad?
07:19<project2501a>sorry, i apologize for the stupid question, i have not had enough coffee yet
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07:27<nevyn>ok so according to http://www.w3.org/Security/faq/wwwsf3.html it's to seperate content and code
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07:28<SynrG>"please examine me carefully, as i may contain an XSS vulnerability you could exploit. have fun. :)"
07:29<SynrG>that being said, maybe discovering that sooner rather than later will be a blessing in disguise :)
07:29<nevyn>meh
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07:35<ambrish>hi
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07:36<project2501a>nevyn++
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08:08<kelkoobenoitr>does some have some numbers or figures regarding NFS performance on debian squeeze ?
08:08<kelkoobenoitr>let's say i have this kind of machines:
08:09<kelkoobenoitr>raid5 lvm ext4 with local write speed about 1.4GB/s for files of 1M
08:09<kelkoobenoitr>machines are connected on private 10G link
08:09<kelkoobenoitr>optical
08:09<nevyn>so that seems ... notbad.
08:10<kelkoobenoitr>the max i can get to transfer files of 1M is about 200MB/s for 1 client
08:10<kelkoobenoitr>via NFS3 or 4
08:10<nevyn>kelkoobenoitr: how much io subsystem tuning did you do?
08:10<nevyn>how many disks?
08:10<kelkoobenoitr>24
08:10<nevyn>how much attention did you pay to issues like stride aligning the lvm/filesystem blocks
08:11<kelkoobenoitr>not much as local write speed for the same test is over 1GB/s
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08:11<kelkoobenoitr>so i expect that via NFS it should be more than 200MB/s
08:12<nevyn>tcp/ip tuning?
08:12<jm_>how good is pure network speed without i/o?
08:12<kelkoobenoitr>iperf or dd over netcat goes up to 900MB/s
08:13<kelkoobenoitr>my conclusion is that NFS protocol is the bottleneck (with 1 client) but i wanted to know if someone had the same figures here
08:13<jm_>can't say as we're on 100mbps network here :)
08:13<nevyn>kelkoobenoitr: jumboframes?
08:14<kelkoobenoitr>and yes i tries ip/tcp tuning
08:14<kelkoobenoitr>yep mtu=9000
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08:39<wbrokerw>ciao
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08:40<wbrokerw>canta che ti passa
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08:45<wbrokerw>già
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08:47<abrotman>!it
08:47<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:47<movl>!stfu
08:47<dpkg>i heard stfu is Shut The Fuck Up
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08:55<wangzaihe>czxc
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09:03<pablo>hooooooooolaa mangas de kuliauu!!! todo bien gente??
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09:05<daemonkeeper>hooooooooolaaa, please parlare English here.
09:07<pablo>English here???
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09:10<XReaper>yes :)
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09:26<bluenemo>ok might be a stupid question; when i have 2G ram on a physical server and i kvm -m 1500, when the physical machine needs more ram that it has can it be that it kills kvm? i did this with an installer and it exited 137 every time it launched the stuff after the partitioning
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09:31<abrotman>bluenemo: it could, OOM-killer
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09:41<bluenemo>abrotman, OOM-killer?
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09:47<SynrG>bluenemo: you would see messages from the "Out of memory killer" (OOM-killer) in /var/log/syslog if that was activated to slay your VM to regain enough memory for other processes, yes
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09:47<blast007>bluenemo: out-of-memory killer. When the system is out of memory resources, it kills off one or more processes to free up resources.
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09:48<SynrG>it is considered preferable to the alternative (a thrashing system on which nothing can be accomplished and must be rebooted to recover)
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09:49<bluenemo>ah ok, fascinating. thanks guys!
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09:49<bluenemo>SynrG, agree
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10:11<sidmann>is sid getting grub 2.00 soon?
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10:13<lduros>it doesn't have it already?
10:14<towo`>1.99 != 2.0
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10:14<abrotman>judd: versions grub-pc
10:14<judd>Package: grub-pc on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; sid: 1.99-22.1; wheezy: 1.99-22.1
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10:21<SynrG>http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/grub2.html
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10:21<SynrG>NEW
10:21<SynrG> 2.00-1 2.00-2
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10:22<themill>targeted at experimental not sid
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10:24*SynrG nods
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10:24<TobiX>Since we are in freeze, no grub 2.0 for sid, it seems
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10:25<SynrG>well, that's up to RM to decide
10:25<SynrG>up until we release, it's all negotiable
10:26<Guest6945>how do i upgrade my kernel i have added the backports to my source list but when i try to install new kernel and run uname -r it still says 2.6??
10:26<SynrG>(obviously before RM makes such a decision, it would have to be promoted from experimental to sid, at least)
10:27<SynrG>not to mention clearing NEW first
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10:27<sidmann>1.99-22.1 is not the same as 2.00 from what I read
10:28<sidmann>oh, so to experimental, first?
10:28<SynrG>!tell Guest6945 about bpo kernel
10:29<sidmann>also, why does the debian wiki for grub only explain for grub legacy
10:29<sidmann>who updates the wiki?
10:29<SynrG>everyone
10:29<themill>you do
10:29<sidmann>what?
10:30<themill>http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 looks a lot like information about grub 2
10:30<SynrG>and http://wiki.debian.org/Grub links to Grub2 and explains what is in what release, so ...
10:30<SynrG>what's the problem here?
10:31<SynrG>maybe you should explain *which wiki page* you're talking about?
10:32<sidmann>themill: menu colors?
10:32<sidmann>lol
10:32<sidmann>SynrG: hold on, I'll try to find it
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10:32<themill>sidmann: lolololol.... ?
10:33<SynrG>maybe http://wiki.debian.org/GrubConfiguration ?
10:33<sidmann>to be specific, it's about repairing grub2
10:33<sidmann>repairing your boot loader
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10:33<sinestic>ciao ragazzi
10:34<themill>SynrG: welcome to a new game of Support Jeopardy. We hope you enjoy trying to guess what the question is and then have even more fun working out the answer.
10:35<SynrG>i have already read all the pages. yes, some of them only cover grub-legacy
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10:35<sinestic>I wanted to know if by chance in a acer aspire 7720g laptop, you could not do any action happen when I close the laptop lid
10:35<SynrG>for fun, look at http://wiki.debian.org/CategoryBootProcess and tell me how much of that is for lenny only
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10:36<SynrG>now, let's say i had about 20 hours of free time. maybe i could review them all and fix them so they are up-to-date ...
10:36<SynrG>*maybe*
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10:37<sidmann>http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover
10:37<sidmann>so, the advice is to use SuperGrub Disk?
10:37<SynrG>the good news is, if you spot a problem, you can edit the wiki to improve it. if everyone takes it upon themselves to do this when they spot problems, nobody will have to throw 20 hours at it ...
10:37<SynrG>if you just wait for "someone" to fix it, nobody will.
10:38<sidmann>my point is, I had a grub2 problem a while back and I could not find a very good 'how-to' for recovery/repair in debian
10:38<SynrG>"the advice"? that's just "some random person's advice"
10:38<themill>sidmann: now that you've solved that particular problem, you could document it on the wiki
10:39<sidmann>themill: I re-installed
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10:39<sinestic>and for my problem?
10:39<sinestic>themill help me?
10:39<sinestic>please ^^
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10:40<sidmann>I googled... I dug and dug... went to what seemed like over 20 pages, wrong info, outdated info... info that pertains to ubuntu... really frustrating to say the least :-(
10:40<sinestic>is not possible to switch off a laptop when the lid is closed? I wish nothing happens
10:40<SynrG>sinestic: please rephrase the question. it is barely comprehensible ...
10:40<sidmann>I was familiar with legacy and editing grub but now it's a config file
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10:41<sinestic>ok
10:41<SynrG>sinestic: ah, that's more understandable this time.
10:41<sinestic>wait
10:41<sinestic>okok
10:41<sinestic>i want
10:41<sinestic>close my laptot
10:41<sinestic>portable pc
10:41<sinestic>and no
10:41<sinestic>stanby
10:41<sinestic>or shotdown
10:41<sinestic>shoutdown*
10:41<devil>sinestic: stop
10:41<sinestic>ok
10:41<abrotman>sinestic: less enter key please
10:41<devil>use full sentences
10:42<sinestic>ah ok
10:42<SynrG>sinestic: using debian squeeze, or wheezy/sid?
10:42<abrotman>i can't even find his question .. too many enter lines ..
10:42<sinestic>squeeze
10:42<SynrG>sinestic: using gnome?
10:42<sinestic>yes
10:42<SynrG>sinestic: right-click the power manager icon, configure ...
10:42<SynrG>set for both AC *and* on battery the "lid action"
10:42<SynrG>make sure you change it both places
10:43<sinestic>in manager icon are:
10:43<sinestic>ibernate,shoutdown,suspend
10:43<sinestic>doing nothing is not
10:44<SynrG>right-click?
10:44<sinestic>yes
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10:45<sinestic>system-->preferenze-->power Management
10:45<sinestic>no non action
10:46<SynrG>one moment. i need a live image to check against. on squeeze one of the actions is "blank screen" if i recall correctly
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10:46<SynrG>but in wheezy/sid gnome3 takes that option away (though you can tweak it with dconf-editor)
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10:47<sinestic>but i use squueze
10:47<SynrG>right. which is why i'm checking
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10:48<sinestic>thks ^_^
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10:48<SynrG>i don't run gnome2 anymore. when my squeeze VM finishes booting the live gnome image, i'll be able to see. this will take some minutes
10:48<sinestic>ok i wait you
10:48<sidmann>so, random ppl edit the wiki?
10:49<SynrG>sidmann: yes. that's how wikis work.
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10:49<SynrG>the theory of wikis is that with enough people looking after pages, crappy information eventually gets replaced with good information
10:50<SynrG>obviously some pages will get more attention than others. a wiki user needs to know to look at revision history to decide which is which
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10:53<Rigel1906>hello !
10:53<arquisan>hola chicos test
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10:54<arquisan>test point
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10:56<arquisan>hola
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10:57<Apollo>!es
10:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:00<SynrG>sinestic: sorry, i waited 10m and got nothing but a black screen. this is a local problem with my VM i can't solve. but i'm pretty sure there *is* an option for this
11:00<SynrG>as i used to use it
11:01<SynrG>maybe someone else here can help? (sinestic needs to know where to find the "blank screen" lid action for gnome-power-manager on squeeze)
11:01<sinestic>if anything you can recommend a linux that has this option?
11:02<sinestic>yes when i close laptop i have black screen and pc goes crazy
11:02<sinestic>I have to remove the battery to turn it off
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11:04<sinestic>but if you know one distro debian that has optioni try search i format and change
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11:10<sinestic>SynrG you know one distro debian that have this option?
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11:12<abrotman>he wants what to happen ?
11:13<sinestic>abrotman
11:13<sinestic>help me please?
11:13<themill>sinestic: would you be happier asking in #debian-it ?
11:13<sinestic>mmm ok
11:14<abrotman>SynrG: oh, i think that's in /etc/acpi/events/ or something like that
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11:17<sinestic>in debian-it everyone sleep
11:17<sinestic>ç_ç
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11:19<zeus>hi all, can anyone tell what package to install on debian ppc (testing) to view flash sites with iceweasel ?
11:19<Mecco>Hi guys!
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11:20<ansgar>zeus: You can try gnash or lightspark
11:20<Mecco>what's the meaning of this error? Kernel panic - not syncing: smp_callin: CPU7 started up but did not get a callout!
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11:30<alleyoopster>just installed wheezy from beta2 netinstall on usb, install went ok. Starting up now, display corrupt. tried single mode and tried nomodeset and appending 1 to boot line in grub. Card is radeon 6000 series, How do I disable X and graphics modes?
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11:32<alleyoopster>sorry I'm in the wrong place - oops
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11:37<zeus>ansgar: thank you
11:37<Darokthar>I've installed pptp-linux and configured it to connect to the vpn server. But after the connection i always have to type 'route del default gw' and then 'route add default gw SERVER dev TUNNEL' I don't know where my mistake is. Has onyone an idea?
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11:38<sinestic>I solved the problem by myself with a good evening
11:38<sinestic>cya
11:38<themill>sinestic: well done!
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11:59<Screwba>heya all...
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12:00<Screwba>quick Q...does anyone one here, or know what channel I should use, to attempt to get some assistance with winbind?
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12:01<powerthrash>hello
12:02<powerthrash>whats DB is better for Bacula server ?
12:02<powerthrash>mysql or sqlite ?
12:03<SynrG>Screwba: ##windows @ freenode maybe?
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12:05<tale>powerthrash: What are the requirements?
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12:06<SynrG>Screwba: ah, it's part of samba, so #samba @ freenode (as we discussed in priv msg)
12:07<powerthrash>requirements - backup of 3 servers and 15 win workstation
12:07<powerthrash>workstations*
12:07<powerthrash>full, diff and incremental backup
12:08<SynrG>for that small an installation, i doubt if it matters
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12:12<powerthrash>any difference (as Bacula catalog) in perfomance between mysql and sqlite3 ?
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12:19<mehano>hi, i have hew debian. in synaptic there isn`t kde or gnome. But how can u guess (where can check) wich graphical envirionmen i use? :)
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12:20<tale>mehano: In login screen, you can choose which GUI to use. It also shows what you are using now.
12:20<mehano>oh, yes :)
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12:21<mehano>thank you
12:21<mehano>go to check :)
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12:23<haylo>how long will debian stable be maintained?
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12:24<retrospectacus>1 year after the new stable is out
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12:27<mehano>i don`t offer me :(
12:27<mehano>i only have mehano and other
12:27<mehano>but there isn`t option in lower left corner
12:27<mehano>like my other system
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12:28<retrospectacus>mehani, try: dpkg -l |egrep 'gnome|kde' or so
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12:28<mehano>i have gnome core
12:28<mehano>to remove it? i want only console
12:29<retrospectacus>!remove gnome
12:29<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
12:29<mehano>thanks
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12:37<zedboy>1225 kB/s .... whew!
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12:44<Darokthar>@zedboy that is ok
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12:45<Darokthar>I've found my mistake i wrote the wrong ipparam into the peers config file. And i had to edit the ip-up and ip-down scripts
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12:56<HeX9109>how would I go about getting a program in the debian repos?
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13:00<ryanakca>HeX9109: You could use synaptic, or "apt-get install packagename" as root. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html
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13:00<HeX9109>ah maybe I should be more specific
13:00<HeX9109>I want to get a program into the repos
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13:01<retrospectacus>you file a RFP bug (request for package)
13:01<retrospectacus>!rfp
13:01<dpkg>Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
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13:02<sinestic>ciao ragazzi
13:03<ryanakca>HeX9109: If you're interested in doing it yourself, see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ . Also, http://www.debian.org/devel/ will prove to be useful
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13:04<HeX9109>I see, thank you
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13:05<sinestic>hi i have debian squeze 6 gnome.when i no use pc,it ask me password for login again in my desktop.How remove this option?
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13:06<retrospectacus>sinestic: screensaver preferences
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13:06<sinestic>thks ^_^
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13:07<sinestic>thks for all guys cya ^_^ good this chat!
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13:09<jeep>i bet sinestic meant the keyring
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13:13<abrotman>hard to tell .. i dont' have my decoder ring
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13:14<retrospectacus>if you log in at the login screen that unlocks the keyring if I'm not mistaken. He did say "login again" which would only happen if "lock when screensaver" is checked.
13:15<retrospectacus>maybe he'll be back to clarify
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13:59<phantom_master_101>anyone here ?
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13:59<retrospectacus>phantom_master_101: hundreds, as you can see. Do you have a debian question?
14:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 537] by debhelper
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14:01<phantom_master_101>wouldn't exactly be a debian question, could call it a UNIX question
14:01<phantom_master_101>I want to learn shell scripting
14:01<phantom_master_101>intermidiate C skills
14:02<phantom_master_101>anybody can suggest some good reading or videos ?
14:03<retrospectacus>http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
14:05<TobiX>phantom_master_101: I have heared good things about "From Bash to Z Shell"
14:06<TobiX>phantom_master_101: But it focuses mostly on interactive shell features and only a bit on scripting
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14:07<phantom_master_101>thanks retrospectacus and TobiX
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14:10<jajajajjaa>hola
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14:10<sidmann>$ free m
14:10<sidmann> total used free shared buffers cached
14:10<sidmann>Mem: 4050152 3913416 136736 0 6228 305744
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14:10<sidmann>-/+ buffers/cache: 3601444 448708
14:10<sidmann>Swap: 8458236 416804 8041432
14:10<sidmann>help? can someone analyze that?
14:11<sidmann>something's hogging up the ram, right?
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14:11<retrospectacus>sidmann: 1)don't paste in the channel. 2) it's ''free -m'' to show megs instead of K 3) what's your question?
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14:11<TobiX>sidmann: That's normal
14:11<sidmann>firefox is 74% in 'top'
14:12<sidmann>cpu 88%
14:12<sidmann>wth? help?
14:12<retrospectacus>so?
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14:12<sidmann>it's normal?
14:12<retrospectacus>FF has all your open tabs/pages in RAM and probably JS or Flash is using your CPU. It is normal.
14:13<TobiX>sidmann: Well, only ~400 MB RAM in use for programs, 3.6GB for caches. Everything's fine
14:13<sidmann>why is it so slow? I can't do anything in firefox
14:14<retrospectacus>!tell sidmann about free ram
14:14<sidmann>it's like I have a pentium 2
14:14<crd>well... do you?
14:14<sidmann>NO
14:14<sidmann>Quad core
14:14<abrotman>100% sure?
14:14<abrotman>did it clock down?
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14:14<sidmann>where to look that up?
14:14<abrotman>!tell sidmann about am i swapping
14:15<TobiX>sidmann: Well, if Firefox is using your CPU, maybe some of your open tabs make it slow...
14:15*abrotman blames flash
14:15<crd>you can check model and clock speed in /proc/cpuinfo
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14:16<sidmann>i know what the stock is
14:16<sidmann>Q6600 3ghz
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14:16<crd>how many tabs do you have open?
14:17<sidmann>i am running vmstat
14:17<sidmann>i dunno
14:17<crd>...count them
14:17<retrospectacus>close them
14:17<crd>if it's >30, close some
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14:17<sidmann>I can't
14:17<TobiX>Or restart firefox, helps sometimes :(
14:18<sidmann>it's too slow
14:18<crd>ha wow
14:18<crd>pkill firefox
14:18<sidmann>grrr :(
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14:19<sidmann>mouse cursor is slowing down... big crash is coming! lol
14:19<sidmann>grrr
14:19<stranger>halo
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14:20<crd>hi stranger, do you have a problem?
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14:21<stranger>no tnx
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14:22<sidmann>pkill worked
14:22<sidmann>but, what is causing that?!? :-(
14:23<sidmann>can't my cpu process all those tabs?
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14:23<retrospectacus>guess not. It's probably flash.
14:23<crd>i don't think you realise just how much is going on in your browser
14:23<crd>let me summarise it as "a whole damn lot"
14:24<sidmann>yes, but I have a quad core
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14:24<crd>yes, but "a whole damn lot"
14:24<retrospectacus>even one tab can take 100% of multiple cores
14:24<TobiX>sidmann: Are you using Debian stable, testing or unstable?
14:24<phantom_master_102>guys, any suggestions for books for learning shell scripting ?
14:24<sidmann>testing
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14:25<retrospectacus>phantom_master_102: I gave you a guide earlier. Why would you want a book?
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14:25<retrospectacus>you're gonna try learning scripting when you're not at a computer?
14:26<TobiX>sidmann: You might want to install xul-ext-flashblock, Flash can be a resource hog sometimes...
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14:26<crd>phantom_master_102: get a copy of slackware and read the init scripts, the pkgtools, the SlackBuilds (used to build everything from source). they're all written in bash, well commented, clean and (most of them) have a nice style to them
14:27<sidmann>so, you think it's flash? it's resource heavy on my cpu and ram?
14:27<TobiX>Or you could try iceweasel from experimental, which has built-in plugin-blocking...
14:27<crd>were you running anything javascript heavy?
14:28<phantom_master_102>@retrospectacus, thanks for the link, I was looking for an offline pdf
14:28<TobiX>sidmann: Don't know, I prefer to block flash most of the time since I had bad experience with Flash on Linux (and yes, blocking a quad-core was part of it)
14:28<phantom_master_102>thanks crd
14:28<retrospectacus>phantom_master_102: the link I gave you includes a PDF
14:28<phantom_master_102>I may have missed it, will check it again
14:29<sidmann>interesting
14:29<TobiX>Fun story: Once Flash made the X server freeze for me - No CPU usage, no heavy RAM usage, killing the plugin-container fixed it :(
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14:33<sidmann>wasn't html 5 supposed to help? :)
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14:33<retrospectacus>it does help but the website designer has to implement it, it's not something you control
14:33<Nathan2055>Quick noob question, if you install a backports package, is the regular package automatically uninstalled?
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14:34<retrospectacus>Nathan2055: yes if it's an upgrade (if the package name is the same)
14:34<Nathan2055>Great, thanks!
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14:36<sidmann>I see
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14:37<sidmann>retrospectacus: it (Flash) should be abandoned en masse. if it cripples your system like that, it's useless
14:37*retrospectacus agrees
14:37<retrospectacus>uninstall it
14:37<sidmann>TobiX: well, I guess there's not many tests to confirm it's flash but it sounds like it
14:37<sidmann>but, there are apps that need it?
14:37<retrospectacus>demand content/functionality in another format
14:38<retrospectacus>check out youtube-dl for youtube
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14:40<TobiX>If you don't want flash but just want to watch video streaming sites, there is a totem-plugin for firefox which works for all major video sites (thanks to libquvi)
14:40<TobiX>Or just use a quvi frontend like cclive to download videos directly
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14:43<crd>sidmann: I recommend installing NoScript. It cuts down on resource usage by shoddily designed flash doohickeys and javascript wotsits and also makes browsing more secure.
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14:46<evo343>i have a problem with a via vt6310 expresscard nic, it is recognized and uses the via velocity module but i cannot bring it up, as soon as i issue "ifconfig eth1 up" the machine freezes and after some time outputs messages that say "BUG: cpu soft-lockup ..." any suggestions with that?
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14:48<TobiX>evo343: Sounds like either a hardware problem or a driver bug... Which kernel version?
14:48<evo343>3.4.7 vanilla
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14:48<evo343>i would try the stock kernel but i have no working nic to download it :p seems as i need to go and grab a usb stick....
14:49<crd>yeah, try again with a stock debian kernel
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14:50<evo343>i hate this machine, the onboard r8169 already died... the kernel wont even recognize it anymore :/
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14:50<phantom_master_102>guys, can you also suggest some reading on creating Linux softwares ... I can do some single file coding ... but can't compile it all to make a clean software
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14:51<crd>find a piece of software you use often, find a problem with it, try to fix it
14:51<crd>rinse and repeat for a few months and you might be semi-competent with C
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14:55<evo343>crd, is 3.2.23-1 the latest wheezy stock kernel?
14:55<crd>if it is, i need to reboot
14:55<phantom_master_102>thanks crd, that is exactly what I am doing now, will have to be patient for sometime to get the results
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14:57<crd>no evo343, it's 3.2.0-3
14:57<cinch>how long does it take for a package from experimental to reach sid?
14:58<evo343>crd, depends :p "linux-image-3.2.0-3-686-pae_3.2.23-1_i386.deb"
14:58<cinch>hoping for a new iceweasel
14:58<crd>how long is a piece of string?
14:58<crd>http://mozilla.debian.net/
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15:01<cinch>crd, i know, that doesnt answer my question
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15:02<crd>it does cinch
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15:03<crd>if you want iceweasel release, enable the experimental repository and pull it in from there
15:03<jeep>doesnt anyone compile software anymore
15:03<cinch>i'd rather wait, but might enable experimental
15:04<crd>jeep, have you ever tried compiling firefox?
15:04<cinch>wondering how long it takes to riddle down
15:04<crd>it takes a long time and uses a lot of resources
15:04<jeep>crd: yeah its mofo lol
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15:04<jeep>crd: almost as bad as kde
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15:05<crd>nah, i've built KDE, it's nothing compared to firefox
15:05<cinch>try openoffice :)
15:05<evo343>crd, wont work with stock kernel :/ no link detected, same problem, soft lockup :( any ideas?
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15:08<crd>i'd guess it's just not supported (yet)
15:09<jeep>evo343: what are you trying to do ?
15:09<evo343>jeep: im trying to get a vt6310 express card nic working
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15:10<TobiX>cinch: We are in freeze, so don't expect anything else then 10-esr in unstable and testing until the release
15:11<jeep>evo343: has it been added in newer kernel from kernel.org ?
15:12<cinch>TobiX, thanks for the info :)
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15:12<cinch>didnt know sid was affected from a freeze
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15:13<evo343>jeep: i dont know, both the 3.2.0-3 and the vanilla 3.4.7 kernel recognize it and load the via velocity driver, but it cant bring up the nic and gets stuck with cpu soft lockups
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15:15<jeep>evo343: 3.5 something is stable kernel now might be worth trying not much mentioned online aboutit at all
15:16<evo343>well... i tried it with my windows laptop now, wont work as well, i guess it is broken... or just crap at all
15:17<evo343>great!
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15:23<crd>evo343: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k/products/external :P
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15:24<evo343>._. i need wired network :( however i have a spare mini pci wireless nic :p
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15:28<evo343>weird piece of hardware, no S/N printed on it and the mac is 00:00:00:00:04:81, i guess its just crap
15:28<cinch>what card is that?
15:28<crd>wired is even easier, cd /usr/src/linux-source-3.2/drivers/net/ethernet/, take your pick
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15:31<evo343>cinch: via vt 6130 chip express card
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15:32<kamal_>Kamal, yuhavemyname:<
15:33<cinch>hm it says linux driver support on the via website
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15:35<evo343>it neither works with linux nor with windows, it is broken... dead on arrival :/
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15:41<cinch>then toss it!
15:41<cinch>get a nice intel card
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15:42<evo343>i will toss the whole laptop out of the window, onboard nic did already die :p
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15:46<cinch>or theres usb nics
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15:48<evo343>i need gigabit speed, i shouldnt be so cheap and buy a real homeserver, oh well
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16:22<AlexLikeRock>I have a little problem with my wifi
16:23<AlexLikeRock>i wana re-iinstall wicd, Firmaware.
16:23<AlexLikeRock>some one , tellme a one more tric :-D
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16:27<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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16:37<AlexLikeRock>takns Sportacus
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17:48<vimes>Heres a page with a script, how do I use it please? I've written a lot of C++ programs, used a few libraries etc, but never used a script so I have no idea what I'm doing. A good start would be to know what language its written in.
17:48<vimes>http://elonen.iki.fi/code/misc-notes/remove-duplicate-files/
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17:50<retrospectacus>it's bash
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17:53<retrospectacus>vimes: it's just a shell script, call it bash although it doesn't really use any language functionality, it's just a string of external commands
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17:54<themill>,i fdupes
17:54<judd>Package fdupes (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: identifies duplicate files within given directories. Version: 1.50-PR2-3; Size: 19.3k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/fdupes/
17:54<themill>you can of course already find such utilities just an apt-get away
17:55<cthuluh>.23
17:55<cthuluh>oops, sorry
17:55<vimes>installing now, thanks for the helps guy
17:55<vimes>s
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18:48<Guest6994>i am trying to get my wifi to work I have installed the firmware which is rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw in the synaptics software.I just can't get it to recongize the wifi card?
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18:48<Guest6994>lspci
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18:52<retrospectacus>Guest6994: rtl8105e is not for wifi... put the output of "lspci -nn" on paste.debian.net for us
18:53<Guest6994>k
18:53<retrospectacus>Guest6994: also what version of debian do you have? what kernel?
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18:55<Guest6994>stable 6.0.5 kernel 2.6.32-5-686
18:55<Guest6994>http://paste.debian.net/189744/
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18:56<retrospectacus>Guest6994: you'll need the backports kernel and firmware-realtek from non-free
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18:57<Guest6994>which kernel 3.2?
18:57<retrospectacus>whatever the one in backports is... newer than 2.6.39 is what you need
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19:07<Guest6994>ok how would i install a tar file after extracing it ..make or makefile??
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19:08<sinestic>ciao ragazzi
19:08<sinestic>sapete per caso come settare amule su debian?quando lo accendo non riesco quasi a navigare più e con lo speedtest arrivo a 7MB di download
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19:15<perlwizard>!it
19:15<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
19:16<sinestic>in debian-it
19:16<sinestic>all offline
19:16<sinestic>;)
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19:20<retrospectacus>sinestic: you can speak English here
19:20<abrotman>he knows this already ..
19:23<sinestic>yes i know
19:23<sinestic>help me for setting amule?
19:23<sinestic>becouse when i turn on it
19:23<sinestic>my connection goes crazy
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19:23<sinestic>xD
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19:25<devil>sinestic: 'goes crazy' is not an error report
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19:26*abrotman searches the BTS
19:26<sinestic>mmm
19:26<sinestic>i no have error
19:26<sinestic>but i navigate many many
19:26<sinestic>slow
19:27<abrotman>devil: way more than i would hve thought :)
19:27<abrotman>dpkg: dbugs 446852
19:27<dpkg>DONE:#446852:I[audacious] audacious: Goes crazy with network playlists (); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:51:01 UTC []
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19:27<devil>:)
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19:28<retrospectacus>DONE! problem solved then
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19:28<alarazr>wowser
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19:29*Murkaaaaaaaaaaa G ngerti
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19:30<sinestic>guys help me?
19:30<sinestic>^^
19:30<abrotman>i've actually seen that bug .. it's when the network resource isn't available .. ISTR it happens for local playlists too if the directory had been removed
19:30<abrotman>sinestic: you didn't ask anything
19:31<sinestic>ok sorry
19:31<sinestic>^^
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19:31<Nicky>?
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19:31<abrotman>Nicky: do you need help?
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19:32<Nicky>? ?
19:32<abrotman>. .
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19:32<abrotman>Nicky: do you need help with Debian?
19:32*Nicky No understand
19:34*Nicky I'am indonesia
19:34<abrotman>Nicky: please go to www.debian.org
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20:23<Nathan2055>Okay, a few noob questions about updating. I know I can update with security updates just by adding the repository and running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, but do backports work like that too?
20:24<Nathan2055>Or do I have to manually get each package through backports?
20:24<Nathan2055>Secondly, are security updates pushed through backports too, or just security?
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20:27<dondelelcaro>Nathan2055: backports often get security updates, but they tend to have to make it to testing first
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20:27<dondelelcaro>Nathan2055: backports is basically a best-effort thing
20:28<Nathan2055>So if I add backports and security and download a package from backports, security updates will not be applied to it?
20:29<dondelelcaro>Nathan2055: not untill they make it through backports, no
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20:30<Nathan2055>Is there a guide on how to set up my sources file with all this stuff?
20:30<Nathan2055>Or a setup program I can run?
20:30<dondelelcaro>Nathan2055: See backports.debian.org
20:30<dondelelcaro>everything else is automatically set up for you when you install Debian.
20:30<Nathan2055>Cool.
20:31<Nathan2055>Including security, am I correct?
20:31<dondelelcaro>yes, by default
20:31<Nathan2055>Great, thanks!
20:31<Nathan2055>Bye!
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20:44<Guest7003>can anyone please please direct me to somewhere where I can find help using squeeze to put music on my apple products ?
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20:47<Guest7003>anyone here ?
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20:50<scientes>Guest5118, you need newer ipod libraries than are in squeeze
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20:50<scientes>cause apple is always rebuilding the wall around their garden
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20:52<abrotman>Guest7003: have you tried rhythmbox ?
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21:00<Guest7003>no i haven't ill try it now thanks for the suggestion
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21:14<Guest7003>its not mounting my iphone
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21:17<abrotman>keep it in the channel
21:17<Guest7003>ok
21:17<Guest7003>so any ideas ?
21:17<abrotman>look in dmesg for some errors or warnings or information
21:18<ring2>Guest7003, try a newer version of gtkpod
21:18<Guest7003>Unhandled Lockdown error (-4)
21:18<Guest7003>sorry for being a noob but how do I do that ?
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21:19<abrotman>judd: versions gtkpod
21:19<judd>Package: gtkpod on i386 -- lenny: 0.99.12-3; squeeze: 0.99.14-3; sid: 2.1.2-1; wheezy: 2.1.2-1
21:19<abrotman>judd: versions rhythmbox
21:19<judd>Package: rhythmbox on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.6-1; squeeze: 0.12.8-3; sid: 2.97-2.1; wheezy: 2.97-2.1
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21:20<Guest7003>ok i've got it going in synaptic package manager
21:21<Guest7003>successfully applied, now what ?
21:22<Guest7003>p.s. , will i lose my windows sync, if I do this ? and can it be done on a brand new ipod ?
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21:25<Guest7003>when I click load ipod, nothing happens ?
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21:26<Guest7003>will rtfm help on getting me going ?
21:28<Guest7003>i need help mounting the ipod, gtkpod doesn't do it ?
21:28<abrotman>!ipod
21:28<dpkg>An iPod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger than a breadbox. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. To manage an iPod using a Debian system, ask me about <amarok>, <banshee>, <gtkpod>, <rhythmbox>. http://wiki.debian.org/iPod
21:28<abrotman>i'd try that URL to start
21:30<Guest7003>thanks, I'll check it out
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22:07<Guest7003>well gtkpod worked great for my ipod, doesn't look like it supports iphone 4 though
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22:07<abrotman>a newer version would likely support it .. did the wiki page not help ?
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22:09<Guest7003>well how can I update it ? and when i looked at the wiki it didn't show anything for iphone everything else though so i tried the ipod with gtk and it works great although it's not too user friendly
22:10<Guest7003>most things i've read seem to point to libimobiledevice is that outdated or ?
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22:15<abrotman>!tell Guest7003 about squeeze->wheezy
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22:20<Guest7003>will wheezy help me with my problem
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22:43<Guest7003>also I'd like to get ftp access to my wireless network drive
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23:31<slaptman>my thumbdrive is read only?How do i enable it to store my files debian stable kernel 3.2.0-0
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23:35<blarson>slaptman: can root write to it?
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23:39<slaptman>do i log into root terminal?
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23:42<blarson>slaptman: depends on how your system is set up. "su" or "sudo bash" might work, or just uses root at the login prompt.
23:42<slaptman>can't even get wifi working on here ;(
23:43<slaptman>k will try
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