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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-16

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01:23<marcagio>I need some help, I can't mount my SSD, hdparm -tT looks good but -d says : HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
01:23<marcagio>How do i find out which option to use for io controler?
01:23<marcagio>and how do I change it?
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01:24<marcagio>Tabarnak can anyone help me?
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01:34<helpguess>anyone know how to install apache2
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01:37<project2501a>helpguess: apt-get install apache2
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02:07<Osiris_X>in bash I'm trying to regex match to a class containing [[:alnum:]] and '-' but I can't seem to get the syntax correct
02:08<Osiris_X>any ideas what's wrong with [[ "${line}" =~ ^(\#+)?[[:space:]]+[-[:alnum:]]+ ]]
02:08<Osiris_X>?
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02:12<project2501a>Osiris_X: bash version? also efnet #bash
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02:13<Osiris_X>project2501a: 4.2.36
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02:14<project2501a>achievement unlocked: read regex before morning coffee
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02:32<helpguess>project2501a know how install apache2?
02:32<project2501a>helpguess: apt-get install apache2
02:32<helpguess>php mysql?
02:33<project2501a>helpguess: apt-get install apache2 php5 mysql-server
02:33<helpguess>project2501a can i see u do in teamviewer so get learnt :D
02:34<project2501a>helpguess: sure. private lessons go for USD 150 an hour
02:34<project2501a>on one hour increments
02:35<project2501a>bist Sei Deutsch?
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02:52<planetmaker>project2501a, there's a #debian.de channel
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02:56<project2501a>planetmaker: i know.
02:56<planetmaker>hm, yeah, should probably be directed at helpguess :-)
02:57<project2501a>!german
02:57<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
02:58<planetmaker>I see :-) Seems there's a !command for nearly everything
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03:24<loicd>Hi, how can I create a wheezy usb bootable image ? I see kernel / initrd / boot image here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ but no standalone image.
03:28<Osiris_X>loicd: these days you can just cat one of the cd images to the usb stick
03:29<loicd>Osiris_X: oh, that's why I did not find it :-D
03:29<loicd>thanks !
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03:29<Osiris_X>loicd: obviously if you do it that way, you can't add files to it, but if you just create another FAT partition on the usb stick, you can add them there
03:29<Osiris_X>and the installer will see them
03:29<Osiris_X>thinks like firmware for wireless cards etc
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03:30<loicd>Osiris_X: my goal is to have a bootable image for an OpenStack cluster. There won't be a need for additional firmware :-)
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03:30<Osiris_X>loicd: what I have said applies to the debian installer cd images
03:30<loicd>helpguess: apt-get install apache2
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03:31<loicd>Osiris_X: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b2-amd64-CD-1.iso for instance, right ?
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03:32<Osiris_X>loicd: yes but I have only personally tried it with the 180mb net install cd image
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03:33*loicd trying right now
03:34<helpguess>anyone can help me install apache2
03:34<helpguess>:D
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03:35<kodak>hey all
03:35<kodak>a quick question, alsa or pulseaudio?
03:36<jeep>helpguess: apt-get install apache2
03:36<Osiris_X>kodak: are you running gnome?
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03:36<kodak>xfce4
03:37<Osiris_X>kodak: ok from my experience the latest versions of pulseaudio typically simplify audio usage in graphical user interfaces
03:38<ectospasm>helpguess: aptitude install apache2 doesn't work for you?
03:38<kodak>ah, cool, ill go that route then
03:38<Osiris_X>kodak: for example I can output to my bluetooth headphones with minimal config and switch between multiple incoming sources
03:38<Osiris_X>kodak: inc. individually control audio from different apps
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03:39<Osiris_X>kodak: just make sure you have a recent version, because it was a bit of a mare in the past
03:39<kodak>perfect, i dont have multiple inputs, but i have a couple of outputs and would like to manage sound levels of apps
03:39<kodak>this is a fresh debian install, so im downloading now
03:39<jeep>kodak: i dont do much with sound however pulseadio only setting ive had to manually adjust is the volume so it must be doing pretty good
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03:39<Osiris_X>kodak: but note alsa will be used in the background anyway
03:39<kodak>ah, ok
03:40<Osiris_X>kodak: as it is what interfaces to your H/W through your kernel
03:40<loicd>Osiris_X: it fails to mount the CDROM (which makes sense because there is none ;-) It's a problem you don't have with netinst, obviously.
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03:40<Osiris_X>loicd: how did you push the cd image to the usb stick?
03:41<kodak>M/W?
03:41<kodak>oh, hardware, not H/W, not M/W
03:41<loicd>Osiris_X: I uploaded it to OpenStack with glance add is_public=yes container_format=bare disk_format=raw name=debian7 < debian-wheezy-DI-b2-amd64-CD-1.iso
03:42<loicd>and then booted with nova boot --image 5dde83be-f187-41b7-a0d6-b404cb501a3e --flavor 6 --key_name loic --availability_zone=bm0001 debian2 --poll
03:42<loicd>where 5dde83be-f187-41b7-a0d6-b404cb501a3e is the unique id of the .iso in glance
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03:43<jeep>loicd: why cant you use normal usb stick like everyone else!
03:44<loicd>jeep: how do I do this with an OpenStack cluster ?
03:45<jeep>loicd: sorry never used it
03:45<Osiris_X>loicd: ok, no idea about all of the OpenStack cluster stuff - I just cat <image>.iso >/dev/<usb device>
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03:47<jeep>loicd: one possibility may be to use unetbootin to create a usb stick .. and then create your own .iso to boot from that usb stick .. however just a guess
03:48<project2501a>oh god. not unetbootin
03:48<Osiris_X>lmfao @ project2501a
03:48<loicd>Osiris_X: that's basically what glance add does. I'll try with netinst now.
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03:48<project2501a>why can't ubuntu just go to #ubuntu
03:48<project2501a>use unetbootin to create a usb stick and then make iso to boot from usb stick?!
03:49<kodak>yay, pulse is easy once you realize to actually turn the speakers on(the hardware)...
03:49<project2501a>yo, dawn, i heard you like an OS within your OS...
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03:49<project2501a>Osiris_X: debian handbook, chapter 7
03:49<project2501a>go read
03:49<loicd>jeep: what people do is usually along these lines : boot with kvm and a CD, install, then upload the corresponding disk to openstack. But I find it inconvenient.
03:49<Osiris_X>project2501a: why? what's it about?
03:49-!-loicd [~loic@magenta.dachary.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
03:50<project2501a>it's about customizing your own debian distro
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03:50<kodak>helpguess, leave me alone, i dont know how to install apache, and you are spamming me, please leave me alone
03:50<project2501a>erh, customizing your installation, even.
03:50<project2501a>!ban
03:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ban is a way of getting rid of annoying pests, especially trolls
03:50<kodak>ban helpguess
03:50<kodak>!ban helpguess
03:50<helpguess>!ban kodak
03:51<Osiris_X>he's spamming a lot of people I think
03:51<jeep>helpguess: read a tutorial on it .. if you get stuck then come ask an intelligent question about what your stuck on
03:52<project2501a>s/intelligent/well formed question/
03:53<jeep>helpguess: there are many helpful people here .. however annoying people will get you ignored/banned rather fast
03:56<Osiris_X>project2501a: debian handbook chapter 7 seems to be on "problem solving" - what url are you referring to?
03:57<project2501a>Osiris_X: sorry, forgot the actual chapter, my mistake. please look around,, it's there
03:58<jeep>Osiris_X: what are you working on ?
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04:00<Osiris_X>jeep: I assume project2501a is pointing this out to me in relation to a much earlier conversation where I was customising a debian installation and wondering whether to do encryption on top of LVM or vice versa
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04:00<project2501a>Osiris_X: no.
04:01<project2501a>i am pointing to the debian handbook on the account of someone telling that they have to use unetbootin to make a usb boot disk, to make an iso to customize
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04:02<Osiris_X>project2501a: lol ok - well it wasn't me that was taking that route - as soon as unetbootin is involved I'm out
04:03<project2501a>Osiris_X++
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04:03<kodak>as a question of good practice, should i mount my windows disks under home or under /mnt?
04:03<jeep>kodak: personal preference
04:03<kodak>k, perfect
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04:07<kodak>grep is a monster tool, as a linux newbie, its awesome
04:08<Osiris_X>it transpires that helpguess didn't actually need a webserver!
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04:10<Osiris_X>is gparted, the only way to set up your disk to be GPT instead of MBR, prior to installation?
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04:13<ompaul>Osiris_X: why would you choose gpt?
04:14<Osiris_X>ompaul: 2TB storage
04:14<ompaul>MBR works up to 2.2TB
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04:15<mint>hey
04:15<Osiris_X>ompaul: hmmm ok
04:16<ompaul>Osiris_X: you started asking questions about 15 hours ago, it takes less than an hour to get an install done (either good bandwidth or disk install), and about 1.5 to get an awful lot of customisation done :)
04:16<ompaul>mint: if you have installed mint you've arrived in the wrong channel - it's #debian ;-)
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04:16<Osiris_X>ompaul: different install now lol - 1st one was a laptop, now I'm onto a server
04:17<Osiris_X>.. and I have slept in between :P
04:17<ompaul>Osiris_X: still and all about 3 hours work tops
04:17-!-knoppix_ is now known as Guest7227
04:17<ompaul>and simultaneous work is better :)
04:17<Guest7227>hello room. need help resetting or setting password on knoppix 6.7
04:17<ompaul>!knoppix
04:17<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
04:18<Guest7227>was that directed toward me. my bad. so find knoppix room?
04:18<ompaul>Guest7227: I'm pretty sure there is no password, sudo -i or su - should get you to root on the cd
04:19<ompaul>Guest7227: it tells you /server irc.freenode.net and /join #knoppix
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04:20<Guest7227>ompaul: ok. thanks for some direction
04:20<ompaul>Guest7227: I set the bot on you :P
04:20*ompaul hides
04:21<Guest7227>still learnin. thanks agian though. no worries
04:21<jeep>Guest7227: if you like knoppix you should do a debian install ;) knoppix is a toy pretty much
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04:23<Guest7227>jeep: thanks for the insight. ill do that on your advice. only reason i was running this is cause it came packaged with virtualbox, but even that wouldnt run out the box
04:23<Guest7227>sorry not trying to chat
04:24<Guest7227>jeep: favorite debian?
04:24<ompaul>debian is the best debian ...
04:24<ompaul>there is no other debian but debian ...
04:25*ompaul raises an eyebrow and looks in the direction of Guest7227
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04:25<Guest7227>ompaul: i know, i know. just branching out from linux mint.
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04:26*ompaul takes aim at mint and eats the mint now install debian
04:27<Guest7227>ompaul: consider it done. thanks for not beatin me up to bad for sounding like a ...
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04:28<ndubg>ill drop back in when i have debian running. thanks
04:29<ompaul>right
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04:32<kodak>perchance, does any of you have keepass2 installed?
04:34<ompaul>kodak: not learnt yet, ask your real question
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04:35<kodak>http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/keepass2 <<-- at the bottom there are two repository links, how do i add the correct one to apt-get?
04:36<ompaul>kodak: are you using sid?
04:36<devil>kodak: keepass2 is in debian
04:36<kodak>i dont know what that is
04:37<ompaul>,versions keepass2
04:37<judd>Package: keepass2 on i386 -- sid: 2.19+dfsg-1; wheezy: 2.19+dfsg-1
04:37<devil>at least its in sid
04:37<ompaul>kodak: you don't mix stable and sid unless you want ...
04:37<ompaul>!frankendebian
04:37<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help.
04:37*devil uses keepassx for years, no need for keepass2 here
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04:37<kodak>lol :P
04:37<devil>keepassx is is
04:38<devil>is in stable as well
04:38<ectospasm>keepass2 is fugly
04:38<kodak>devil, the problem i have is on my windows install i use keepass2, and like you might know, keepass2 databases can not be opened in keepass1
04:38<ectospasm>...since it uses mono/.NET
04:38<ompaul>kodak: no laughing matter - if you break it in a stupid way we really may not be interested in helping you unbreak it - cost us hours
04:38<kodak>i understand ompaul
04:38<devil>kodak: so keepassx == keepass1?
04:38<ectospasm>kodak: so convert them to keepass1 DBs in keepass2 on Windows
04:39<kodak>yes devil
04:39*devil has onkly windows he can look through
04:39<kodak>ah, ofc ectospasm, ill do that
04:39<ectospasm>ofc?
04:40<kodak>of course, but in internet speak! i didnt know i could export it as keepass1
04:40<devil>kodak: keepass2 is also in testing
04:41<kodak>i dont mind the version, as long as i have all my long-ass passwords :P
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04:44<kodak>i need to configure Xorg.conf, but there is none, so the debian wiki tells me to switch to console(not terminal): how do i do that?
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04:46<devil>kodak: why would you want xorg.conf?
04:46<devil>it's pretty depricated these days
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04:47<kodak>ok, ill tell you my real problem, and you tell me if im wrong or not. my xfce4 screen is smaller than my actual screen, so i figured i need to configure my xorg
04:48<kodak>i have backported nouveau drivers(im pretty sure)
04:48<devil>kodak: what is your card?
04:48<kodak>nvidia gt 440 sli'd
04:49<kodak>or 420, not sure of number
04:49<devil>and the screen is not filled all the way?
04:49<kodak>exactly
04:50<devil>did you try the auto adjustement of your monitor?
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04:52<kodak>ye, no go
04:53<kodak>and the aspect ratio is not correct, that is, the images and text is stretched
04:53<devil>can we see a screenshot, so we know what we are on about?
04:53<kodak>ofc
04:53<kodak>where do you want to see it?
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04:54<devil>you can put it on a pic-hoster
04:54<devil>like http://imageshack.us/
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05:03<kodak>http://imageshack.us/a/img690/230/screenshotutb.png
05:03<kodak>there you go devil
05:04<kodak>but, the screenshot doesnt show the black rim around the window manager, there is a 3cm black edge
05:04<devil>hm, the black spaces left and right are your screen edges?
05:04<devil>hm
05:05<devil>please paste xrandr | grep -i max (as user) and /var/log/Xorg.0.log (as root)
05:05<kodak>k
05:07<kodak>"xrandr: failed to get size of gamma" so nothing pasted, doing var/log now
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05:08<kodak>and there is n o Xorg.0.log
05:09<kodak>er, hold on, there is Xorg, dont know why i didnt see it
05:10<devil>did you run xrandr | grep -i max as user?
05:10<kodak>i did
05:11<devil>and if you just run xrand without options?
05:11<kodak>http://paste.debian.net/189977/
05:12<kodak>http://paste.debian.net/189978/
05:12<kodak> <<- this is xrandr without options
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05:15<kodak>ah yes, its normal my screen is stretched, the resoulution is supposed to be 1920x1024
05:15<devil>kodak: you are running on vesa, not nouveau
05:16<devil>kodak: did you try the proprietary driver from nvidia? that would explain why nouveau is not running, because it's blacklisted
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05:17<kodak>i did, ye, i ran into huge problems
05:17<devil>so you need to un-blacklist nouveau
05:17<kodak>i tried the debian nvidia non-free package, nvidia-xconfig i think it was called
05:17<kodak>okey
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05:20<kodak>do i just delete the /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf?
05:21<kodak>i mean, just delete the line that says "blacklist nouveau"
05:21<devil>you can delete the whole thing
05:21<kodak>ok, will do that and then reboot x?
05:22<devil>and make sure there is no other leftovers from your playing with nvidia driver
05:22<kodak>i wouldnt know how to make sure i dont have any other leftovers :S
05:23<kodak>but ill be back in 2, rebooting X
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05:25<devil>kodak: see if mlocate is installed, if it is, run updatedb, then mlocate nvidia
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05:28<kodak>does updatedb normally take a while?
05:28<devil>if run for the first time, yes
05:29<devil>could be a minute or 2
05:29<ectospasm>could be more, depending on how much disk you've used up
05:29<kodak>k, then im not so stressed
05:29<devil>right
05:29<kodak>ive mounted my windows disks, they total 500gb, more or less
05:30<ectospasm>I can't remember if updatedb will index those, but probably it does.
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05:34<kodak>devil, a whole mess of nvidia, do you want a pastebin?
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05:34<devil>kodak: yeah
05:35<kodak>http://paste.debian.net/189980/
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05:36<kodak>ah yes, now i remember, damn, maybe i should have rememberd this before, but it seems nouveau doesnt support sli
05:36<devil>kodak: did you remove any of the nvidia stuff? does not look like it
05:37<kodak>im sorry, im tired still and had to leave last night sort of in the middle of it with TCW
05:37<kodak>so, what i remember now is we(tcw and i) installed the backported nvidia drivers because nouveau doesnt support sli, so tahts why we see all that nvidia stuff
05:37<kodak>jesus, i feel stupid now
05:38<devil>apt-get purge nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-dkms should remove most of it
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05:40<kodak>i want to game through wine(and native) as much as i can, do i still want nouveau?
05:41<devil>i have no clues either on wine nor gaming
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05:42<ectospasm>my guess is no, but like devil I neither use wine nor game regularly
05:42<towo`>wine and nouveau you can forget
05:42<kodak>im sorry for wasting your time devil :(
05:43<devil>kodak: you are not, as long as you learn something
05:43<kodak>:)
05:43<kodak>i still have the same problem though >.<
05:44<kodak>also, i deleted that file, nvidia-kernel-common.conf
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05:46<devil>and got rid of the nvidia stuff?
05:46<kodak>no, since it seems i actually want the nvidia drivers
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05:48<kodak>should i purge nvidia, get nouveau to work and go from there?
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05:48<devil>well, you cannot have both at the same time
05:48<kodak>that makes sense
05:48<devil>i do not know what the probs with the nvidia driver were. it usualy works
05:48<kodak>i think it was the automated nvidia-xconfig setup thing that borked me over
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05:49<devil>you do not need that at all
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06:08<kodak>devil, should i first remove all nouveau packages i can find in synaptic?
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06:09<kodak>actually scratch that, i gotta go, ill deal with this mess later
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06:09<devil>kodak: if you want to use nvidia driver, installing nvidia-kernel-dkms will blacklist nouveau. that is all that's needed
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08:15<didi>I'm trying to make a Lisp .deb package and per instructions, I'm supposed to run `dh_lisp -p package' after "dh_install or similar things are run.". How would I change debian/rules to include it? Currently, my rules file is the one created by dh_make and have only one target: %:\n\tdh $@
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08:16<daemonkeeper>Short rule style targets need overrides or dh $@ --with plugin
08:16<daemonkeeper>See man dh. Aner join #debian-mentors for these questions.
08:17<didi>daemonkeeper: I read about `override', but it seems to require a dh_* to change and I want to add a new one to a target.
08:17<didi>daemonkeeper: Thanks, I'll go there.
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09:04<Tarential>hi folks :) I have a squeeze server on which I'm trying to update apache to the latest version (2.2.16 is currently installed), but it claims this *is* the latest version (according to the debian site there are newer packages available)
09:04<Tarential>I've done an apt-get upgrade and I have the squeeze/updates in my sources.list
09:05<Tarential>*update
09:05<Tarential>is there something I'm missing on how to make it grab the latest version of apache?
09:05<themill>Tarential: precisely which version do you want? Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy apache2 apache2.2-common"
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09:06<Tarential>http://pastebin.com/pkLAzjCK
09:06<Tarential>I would like 2.2.19 or later
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09:07<Tarential>I think 2.2.22 is the latest, that would be great
09:07<Apollo>why exactly?
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09:07<themill>Tarential: you do have the most recent packages of apache for squeeze
09:07<Tarential>someone used a vulnerability in 2.2.16 to crash my server
09:07<themill>!security backports
09:07<dpkg>Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the changelog or the <tracker of doom>.
09:08<themill>Tarential: a specific CVE would be handy
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09:11<Tarential>well I'd like to be able to say more on that, if I knew :) all I can say is they suggested I upgrade to 2.2.19 -- but now that I check the vulnerabilities they seem to apply to .19 as well
09:11<bel106_>HOLA
09:11<Tarential>so, instead might I ask, is 2.2.16 supposed to be the latest in squeeze right now?
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09:11<rajesh_>cant we do something like this: https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
09:11<rajesh_>i mean
09:12<rajesh_>dpkg -i https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
09:12*dpkg installs https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb into rajesh_'s head with a bone saw and a few screws
09:12<sml>hi all. i upgraded qemu-kvm as per recent security announcement. is there a way to use update without a reboot?
09:12<themill>Tarential: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7 is the current version in squeeze(-updates). There's actually a +squeeze8 version in squeeze-proposed-updates but I'm not sure what that is there to fix.
09:12<Apollo>rajesh_: no, you cant
09:13<sml>rajesh_: you can always curl or wget it first
09:13<themill>Tarential: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apache2/news/20120912T223216Z.html is the changelog for +squeeze8. This is unlikely to be the issue that you're looking for a solution.
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09:13<rajesh_>Apollo, is there any way without downloading a package, and directly installing it?
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09:13<Apollo>rajesh_: no
09:14<Apollo>that's impossible
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09:14<themill>Tarential: I'd be very suspicious about advice that just says "oh you just need to update to the latest upstream release to fix things"
09:14<Apollo>you *need* to download something either way
09:14<Apollo>if you don't download it, it's not on your machine => can't install it
09:14<Tarential>yeah, well the person doing the testing isn't really knowledgable himself, he jsut has a nice expensive tool that does it
09:14<rajesh_>ok, wget downloads anything in /home folder
09:14<sml>Apollo: i guess he/she means install it from memorry rather than file
09:14<Tarential>so I'm wary of his advice indeed
09:15<Tarential>but the fact remains that he did crash my server, or at least, there were a bunch of apache processes running but no response from the server on port 80
09:15<rajesh_>can I do it in /tmp folder so that I dont have to manually delete the packages
09:15<Apollo>rajesh_: wget downloads a file whereever you want it to
09:15<themill>Tarential: expensive tools often just look at version numbers and don't notice that bugs can be fixed without changing the version number
09:15<Tarential>as soon as I apachectl2 stop/start
09:15<Tarential>it worked
09:15<rajesh_>Apollo, please write syntax for wget to install in temp directory
09:15<rajesh_>i mean
09:15<rajesh_>to download
09:15<rajesh_>:)
09:16<Tarential>oh well, I guess I shouldn't worry about it too much -- thanks for all your help :)
09:16<themill>rajesh_: I'm sure you can do that yourself, if you know that it's needed.
09:16<sml>so .. anyone here run qemu-kvm? is it possible to upgrade the package without affecting running quests, and failing that at least without having to reboot? virt-manager stopped working from a remote host when I did /etc/init.d/libvirtd-bin restart
09:16<themill>Tarential: yeah, if you an come up with a CVE number, then check it -- /msg dpkg tracker of doom
09:16<rajesh_>ok, thanks themill
09:17<themill>Tarential: a decent security auditing tool/report should tell you the CVE numbers.
09:17<Tarential>I'll ask about that :) have a good day
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09:17<Apollo>http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_22.html
09:17<Apollo>have fun
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09:43<sml>is there a reason why in GNOME on my laptop on battery it keeps adjusting the brightness back down 30% even after i've manually increased it again back to 75%?
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09:46<tale>sml: to save battery. You can stop it doing that.
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09:54<sml>oh i know why it MIGHT want to do that. but even after i've put it back up a few times? Surely I know better than the computer. If i've told it to do something why does it keep overridding me. i'm going blind over here ! (budget laptop)
09:55<sml>and in answer to my own question from earlier i think i can just unload the kernel module for qemu and reload the new one, and that will save me a reboot. of course i have to shut down the running guests first as they're using that module.
09:56<tale>sml: Have you tried setting it the way you want in Screensaver settings?
09:57<sml>tale: i'll go take a look in the settings. it just seems odd that i've already told it what i want (by raising the brightness again and again) yet it keeps seeming to be more interest in using it's own judgement
09:57<sml>tale: thanks.
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10:03<kurumin>rede
10:04<kurumin> monitoramento REDE FEITOZA
10:04<abrotman>kurumin: english here
10:04<kurumin>IP 192.168.0.20
10:05<abrotman>i guess that could be considered english ...
10:05<kurumin>QUEM FALA
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10:05<sml>abrotman: well the IP could :)
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10:07<falcon>Hey you
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10:08<falcon>Fuck You all
10:08<falcon>fuck
10:08<falcon>fuck
10:08<sml>falcon: happy Sunday afternoon.
10:08*sml pours another pint
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10:09<sml>I read in various fora that Debian is changing its default Desktop to Xfce. is this true?
10:10<abrotman>eh ..
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10:10<themill>for whatever value of "default" you want
10:10<abrotman>sml: it's changing the desktop installed when using the 'Desktop' task in tasksel .. but I'm not aware of anyone that uses that
10:10<babilen>sml: Last time I checked the change in question was committed to git, but hasn't been packaged yet.
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10:11<sml>abrotman: I believe I installed my GNOME via groupinstall rather than tasksel. and by default i mean via the ncurses option for desktop, tasksel if you will.
10:11<sml>babilen: thanks.
10:12<sml>themill: obviously with Debian you it will remain as desktop environment agnostic as possible so yes the choice for default means very little.
10:13<babilen>sml: Or rather: The commit was reverted for the 3.12 release of tasksel -- I am not sure what the actual plans are, but this *only* changes the desktop that will be installed by default. If you were to read the debian-devel mailing list you would realise that the whole issue is still being discussed.
10:14<abrotman>and rather moot if you odn't use tasksel
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10:14<sml>babilen: I don't currently read debian-devel but can follow that via USENET where I am, so I'll be sure to do that.
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10:15<babilen>Hmm, something seems to be wrong with anonscm.debian.org / wagner -- I get a "503 - The load average on the server is too high" for http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git
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10:16<babilen>Seems to be specific to tasksel though - /me shrugs
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10:17<babilen>(or me not being able to open the right link)
10:17<themill>«Revert "temporarily revert xfce default"» haha
10:18<arand>Well, git directly works though.
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10:19<babilen>sml: If you take a look at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=log you would see that the commit in question (2a962cc65) was reverted shortly before the 3.12 release. The revert itself was recently reverted ...
10:19<babilen>themill: My favourite is "Revert "temporarily revert xfce default". I wonder if that will be reverted for 3.13
10:19<babilen>err 3.14
10:20<themill>no! I revert your revert of my reverted revert.
10:20<babilen>revert all the things!
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10:20<themill>just install sarge.
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10:20<sml>i only do mercurial. i take it that's just the backout of a changeset.. which itself was then backed out.
10:20<themill>sml: yeah
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10:24<ompaul>themill: isn't that a bit bleeding edge?
10:24<ompaul>sarge that is
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10:25<sml>later people :)
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10:27<ratnick>Is there an upgrade for iceweasel?
10:27<babilen>ratnick: Upgrade from which version?
10:28<themill>and for which debian release?
10:28<ratnick>.dpkg iceweasel
10:28<babilen>ratnick: Which version are you using? To which version would you like to upgrade and which Debian release are you tracking?
10:29<ratnick>3.5
10:29<ratnick> to 10
10:29<ratnick>Squeeze
10:29<themill>ratnick: that version is in squeeze-backports.
10:29<babilen>ratnick: You can install that version from backports. See "/msg dpkg bdo" for details on how to set it up and then run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel"
10:30<ratnick>thanks again
10:31<themill>didn't we help you with that a couple of weeks ago?
10:31*babilen checks his logs
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10:32<ratnick>yes. system went down and I have since reloaded and forgot the apt command to get it.
10:32<themill>ahh.
10:32*themill is pleased to see that he's not hallucinating …
10:32<ratnick>Not just a dream
10:33<babilen>ratnick: You might want to keep an "Administration log / snippet collection" in which you safe all these little things.
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10:33<ratnick>I have to keep a paper log since I wipe my HDD before reloading.
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10:38<ratnick>I returned: iceweasel is already the newest version.
10:39<themill>ratnick: there are steps that you have missed then... but we can't know which ones since we don't know what you've done.
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10:40<babilen>(pro-tip: Tell us *exactly* what you've done and litter that explanation with pastes of "apt-cache policy iceweasel" and your sources.list)
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10:42<ratnick>my sources.list file needs the address of the backport source list
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10:43<babilen>ratnick: Did you read "/msg dpkg bdo" and http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ ? Did you follow the instructions therein?
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10:44<ratnick>That's the address missing in sources.list
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10:45<tale>ratnick: Do you mean this address is missing? http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/#index2h2
10:45<serge>hello
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10:46<ratnick>http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
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10:46<tale>ratnick: If that address is missing from sources.list, why not add it there?
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10:46<babilen>ratnick: Yes, so please add it and run "apt-get update ; apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel"
10:46*themill isn't sure what ratnick is stuck on
10:46<ratnick>let me try that
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10:49<ratnick>I'll paste my sources.list on http://paste.debian.net/
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10:50<ratnick>http://paste.debian.net/190045
10:51<themill>ratnick: line 17 duplicates the "main" entry that you already have in line 7 and will generate warnings, but otherwise ok
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10:52<babilen>ratnick: There is also a superfluous space character on line 19 between "deb" and "http://"
10:52<solstis>hello, please suggest a good archive manager that handles zip and rar files
10:53<ratnick>yes. I use Squeexe from Xfce
10:54<solstis>thanks
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10:57<kodak>hello all, i might need some handholding to get nvidia drivers to work
10:57<babilen>sandeep: file-roller and unp might be worth a look. Do you want to create rar's as well?
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10:58<babilen>kodak: Which Debian release do you use and which card do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga)
10:58<kodak>stable release, but i have backported nvidia drivers, i have nvidia gt 440 cards in sli. ill give you the lspci results though
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11:00<kodak>lspci : Vga compaible controller, device 10de:0de0
11:01<kodak>i have apt-get'ed the nvidia nonfree drivers, but i have yet to install them
11:01<babilen>kodak: That card should be well supported by the backports nvidia driver. We strongly recommend to install the DKMS package and configure Xorg with a .conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- See <xorg.conf.d>, <nvidia dkms> and <empty xorg.conf> for details. What problem do you actually try to solve?
11:02<babilen>kodak: Do you have the kernel from backports installed too?
11:02<kodak>kernel, er, dont think so
11:02<kodak>2.6.32-5-amd64 <- from uname -r
11:03<babilen>kodak: Ok, no problem. Could you paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net please?
11:03<kodak>ofc
11:03<babilen>kodak: I just want to check if it makes sense to upgrade the kernel for your hardware while we're at it. I do that on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
11:03<ratnick>Iceweasel 10.0.6 installed thanks and bye
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11:04<babilen>ratnick: Have fun
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11:04<kodak>http://paste.debian.net/190047/ <<-- lspci -n
11:05<babilen>kodak: Your current kernel (i.e. 2.6.32) should be fine. Which nvidia package did you "apt-get" ?
11:05<babilen>(and what do you mean by "apt-get" ?)
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11:06<kodak>i ran the apt-get install procedure to get them, but i know there is some configuring to be done before they(nvidia drivers) are actually being used
11:06<babilen>kodak: Ok, which packages exactly did you install?
11:07<kodak>i did that late(latelate) last night, so gimme a minute :P
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11:07<kodak>basically, nvidia-glx with dependacies
11:07<babilen>kodak: You can just run "aptitude versions ~i~nnvidia" and paste that
11:07<kodak>ah
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11:10<kodak>a few minutes please babilen, need to help the wife with the baby
11:10<babilen>kodak: Sure! Good luck and may it calm down soon.
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11:12<babilen>kodak: I might have to leave soon, so I just give you some instructions. Just to bring you back a defined state: Remove everything nvidia related you have installed right now (I just assume that it is wrong ;) ). After you've done that install kernel headers and a kernel metapackage with "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`".
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11:14<babilen>kodak: Continue with the installation of the <dkms> nvidia kernel module and related software you need. "aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms". Configure your driver with "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" and run "update-initramfs -u" before you reboot the system.
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11:18<kodak>thanks babilen
11:19<babilen>kodak: No problem -- Let me know if you run into problems.
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11:21<kodak>baby offloaded to mother. im back ! ill run through those instructions above and, like you said, make a noise if something doesnt work
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11:37<kodak>babilen, success!
11:38<babilen>kodak: Wonderful! Would you mind showing me the output of 'glxinfo|grep -iE "render(er|ing)"' to make sure that everything is working correctly?
11:38<kodak>ofc
11:39<kodak>hmm, should glxinfo be run as root?
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11:39<babilen>No, not necessarily. Why?
11:39<kodak>command not found
11:40<babilen>Ah, in that case install the mesa-utils package first. :)
11:40<kodak>and lol, my colors are way off, humans on youtube are blue >.<
11:41<babilen>(it's supposed to be like that!)
11:42<kodak>http://paste.debian.net/190053/
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11:44<babilen>kodak: That looks fine. Do you have other problems with your video or is it just flash? Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l |grep nvidia" to http://paste.debian.net and check the version of your flash-plugin in the "about:plugins" page of your browser?
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11:45<kodak>11.2 r202 of shockwave flash
11:45<babilen>kodak: That is the newest version IIRC -- How did you install it?
11:46<kodak>http://paste.debian.net/190054/ <<-- dpkg
11:46<kodak>through synaptic gui babilen
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11:46<babilen>The "flashplugin-nonfree" package?
11:47<kodak>aye
11:47<chikidu>Hi everybody, I am looking for some help with my laptop, the problem is that after installing debian squeeze I configured the repositories and proceed to upgrade aptitude upgrade but after rebooting a kernel panic happens because of the gdm3, but when I boot in text mode everything seem to be working alright
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11:47<chikidu>I have an intel 8086:2A42
11:47<kodak>omg it feels good to have full resolution again babilen, im indebted
11:48<babilen>kodak: Alright, you might want to run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose". But please show me the output of "aptitude search ~c" and make sure that you *purge* (at least) nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 and nvidia-settings. Do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? Did you reboot after installing the driver?
11:48<babilen>,pciid 8086:2a42
11:48<judd>[8086:2a42] is 'Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2a42
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11:48<kodak>i rebooted since those monster commands you showed me
11:49<babilen>kodak: Wonderful -- And you ran "update-initramfs -u" ? Do those video problems only happen with flash?
11:50<babilen>chikidu: Are you sure that it is a kernel panic and not just Xorg having problems? If the latter: Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ?
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11:50<kodak>http://paste.debian.net/190055/ <-- aptitude search
11:51<kodak>and yes, i ran update-initramfs -u
11:51<kodak>only flash problems
11:51<kodak>im running update flash... now
11:51<chikidu>right now I am using the live version, I am kind of new using linux, can I enter my root files using the live version?
11:51<babilen>kodak: Ok, get rid of those configuration. Please also run "aptitude purge ~c", make sure that you don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf, upgrade flash to the latest version, reboot and retry.
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11:53<babilen>chikidu: You should still have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- So you don't have Debian installed and just boot from a Live CD? How exactly did you upgrade that cd ? (in a way that survives reboots)
11:53<kodak>babilen, there is a xorg.conf.d, is that a problem?
11:54<babilen>kodak: No, you should have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with a 20-nvidia.conf in there.
11:54<chikidu>I think it is a kernel panic, the booting process crashes when is gonna load gdm3, just before it happens it says something about gdm3
11:54<chikidu>I have installed debian in my laptop
11:55<chikidu>but i can just boot in rescue mode
11:55<kodak>right babilen, according to apt-get flash is at its latest, so i should reboot now(the whole machine, not just X?)
11:55<chikidu>so I used a pendrive to boot in live mode so I can find help
11:56<babilen>chikidu: Ah, so: You installed Debian and it worked fine until you upgraded some packages? Ever since you've done that you cannot boot anymore. (or rather you can only boot into rescue mode)
11:56<chikidu>yeah, that's right
11:56<kodak>brb - rebooting
11:57<chikidu>before the fist upgrade everything was working fine
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11:58<babilen>chikidu: Did you add any other repositories or is the only thing you've done was to run "aptitude upgrade" ?
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11:59<chikidu>yeah I add repositories, all of them are stable
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11:59<chikidu>my kernel version is 2.6.32-5-amd64
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12:00<kodak>babilen, k, rebooted and people are still blue, and when i hover a program over my iceweasel the video shows through the program
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12:01<babilen>chikidu: Official Debian repositories? You might want to chroot into your system (as detailed in "/msg dpkg fixmbr") and run "apt-get dist-upgrade" in there. It would also be of interest to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to actually figure out what the error is.
12:01<babilen>chikidu: I still suspect that you don't get a kernel panic, but that it is rather a problem with your Xorg.
12:02<babilen>kodak: Hmm, that is unfortunate. Is it reproducible with other browsers as well?
12:02<kodak>i googled around, its a problem between the nvidia and flash, all you need to do is disable hardware acceleration on flash videos
12:03<kodak>i did that and it worked, people are white again! (omg racist)
12:04<babilen>Not racist at all (as I would hope that black people are black again, brown people are brown, purple people are purple and blue people are blue)
12:04<kodak>;)
12:04<babilen>kodak: Alright -- You've solved it yourself! \o/
12:05<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps
12:05<chikidu>ok, can you help me finding the error in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file?
12:05<kodak>i feel so smart, i feel so smart (homers song)
12:05<Eryn_1983_FL>is there a default way to call a terminal? i am not certain whats installed on the remote box and i need to setup a script to call the default terminal
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12:07<melmothX>Eryn_1983_FL: x-terminal-emulator if the remote is a debian box
12:08<babilen>chikidu: Sure, just paste it to http://paste.debian.net
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12:11<chikidu>perfect, first I am gonna try upgrading as you told me
12:11<chikidu>I will be back in a moment
12:11<chikidu>thank you very much
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12:16<Eryn_1983_FL>ok
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12:21<TCW>kodak, err... still there?
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12:23<kodak>i am ye TCW, everything worked out in the end :P
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12:23<TCW>I just saw the highlights, tried to get the whole thing in the backlog... but decided to ask you to give me a summary... WTF happend? :)
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12:24<siddy>I want to install sid so if I install the beta testing on the netinst iso, I just have to upgrade the kernel and packages?
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12:25<siddy>I d/l wheezy DI-b2-amd64-netinst.iso... so, I can install and then upgrade the kernel? I think there's a wiki page for this?
12:25<chealer>!tell siddy about iyhtays
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12:26<kodak>so, TCW twas a cold winters night. er, sorry. So, i woke up and booted, everything looked like we left it, X running again, but nvidia not installed yet, so basically i wasted the time of some very nice guy, cause i was tired, but in the end babilen guided me through the rest of the nvidia install process(what with kernel module and monster commands needed)
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12:27<TCW>kodak, so bottom line, now you are on stable with backported nvidia-blob (you know that term?) and all works?
12:27<kodak>all works
12:28<kodak>:)
12:28<babilen>kodak: The commands aren't really that bad. One part is just trying to figure out which architecture you are using. (uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') and the other creates a complete configuration file for nvidia
12:29<babilen>I could have just as well asked you "Which architecture do you use?" and said: "Install linux-image-2.6-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" ;)
12:29<TCW>babilen, what command was that?
12:29<kodak>i got a headache just trying to type them, i gave up and copy/pasted like a lazy bastard
12:29<babilen>TCW: Essentially the entire "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" factoid tailored for backports (with a stable kernel)
12:29<babilen>kodak: I would have expected nothing else
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12:30<kodak>so TCW, now my fresh(from last night) debian install is coming very nicely along, my drives are mounted in fstab and im going to try wine in a few minutes once the music library is copied and setup
12:30<kodak>lol babilen
12:31<TCW>babilen, oh dkms wqas needed? He did left in the middle of the fun, I had the impression bpo had a package for the stable-kernel...
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12:31<TCW>did leave*
12:31<kodak>i was super tired last night TCW, couldnt focus any more :S
12:32<TCW>kodak, that's absolutely fine
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13:06<kodak>i launched PlayOnLinux and it told me i dont have hardware acceleration on, where can i double check that?
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13:09<TCW>kodak, *eeks* :)
13:09<TCW>kodak, in general, glxinfo|grep -i render
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13:11<kodak>http://paste.debian.net/190066/ <<-- i dont see anything shocking
13:11<TCW>kodak, and about playonlinux... I have my doubts about the quality of that project
13:11<kodak>ah
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13:12<TCW>kodak, try to run any OpenGL app, like... tuxracer, or even glxgears
13:12<kodak>tuxracer it is!
13:13<TCW>hehe :)
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13:16<kodak>400fps
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13:16<TCW>with tuxracer?
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13:17<kodak>ye
13:18<TCW>and it looks accelerated / smooth?
13:18<kodak>oh ye, i maxed the graphics and no probs
13:18<TCW>I guess that is my point about playonlinux :)
13:19<kodak>aye
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13:21<TCW>kodak, just give native wine a shot, check tha wine-appdb about some possible issues with your games.
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13:21<kodak>i will, thanks :)
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13:21<kodak>and like they say around here "bonne apetite" :)
13:23<siddy>bon appetit
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13:25<siddy>what size of partition is best for /home?: 38gb or 50gb? either is too small to use virtualbox or vmware, right?
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13:26<TCW>siddy, the size of the partitions one uses, just depends on one thing: The User.
13:26<TCW>I guess you are the user, so it boils down to "only time will tell"
13:26<siddy>is 38gb too small for main partition?
13:27<TCW>siddy, you didn'r get my point
13:27<siddy>TCW: but, if you install a lot of apps/programs, won't it use up disk space?
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13:28<TCW>sidsee... you remember the quastion during debian install if the installer should just use one partition for everything, especially suited for "new users"?
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13:28<TCW>siddy, even
13:29<babilen>siddy: It really depends on how *you* use it. http://paste.debian.net/190068/ might give you an idea
13:30<siddy>ok
13:31<TCW>siddy, the point is... *if* there would be a simple answer to that question, it would have been answered in the installer. But there is no single-shot-answer. It just depends on your usage pattern.
13:31<siddy>if one partition is a primary and one is a logical, it's ok, right?
13:31<TCW>siddy, GNU/Linux does not care
13:31<siddy>ok
13:31<siddy>just making sure :)
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13:32<tale>siddy: I think you are making things too complicated. Just install with the default values.
13:32<siddy>I'll have a separate home and leave the rest in the other partition combined
13:32<TCW>you could create partitions in a file on a DVD-RAM if you like. WOuldn't perform well, but would work :)
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13:33<TCW>siddy, if you have no experience with a GNU/Linux system as a user over a prolonged time, go with the "one partition for all" hint, seriously.
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13:34<TCW>Or learn how to use LVM... that would be another solution to the so often happening problem "damn, that partition is to small and that one is too big!"
13:34<siddy>TCW: I have experience with running out of disk space for some reason... other ppl's machines, too
13:34<siddy>I guess with too much going in /home, perhaps?
13:35<TCW>pardon me?
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13:37<siddy>TCW: nm.... I think it is my fault... downloads have gone into /home and so ran out of disk space... so, I am organizing a way to avoid
13:37<siddy>how come that guys /var partition is at 60%?
13:38<TCW>because it is?
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13:38<TCW>It is still the same answer, every system is different, every usage pattern is different. There is no easy answer for any of your questions.
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13:39<TCW>and what does "60%" mean? 60% of what? On what kind of system? Maybe a webserver, database-server, or a desktop?
13:40<tale>siddy: If you have two partitions, you have double the chance of filling either one of them. If all your disk is in on partition, you fill the partition only if you really use up all disk you have.
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13:42<siddy>tale: I can't combine it
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13:45<TCW>all different sorts of data goes to different locations by default. For instance databases (sql and stuff), webserver-data, packages that apt downloads to install, all that goes to /var. Configuration-files to /etc, if you download something with iceweasel or any other browser, it defaults to store the stuff on /home, Most mediaplayers like amarok or rhythmbox expect the musik library in /home too per default. But the funny thing is, first, no one knows how much
13:45<TCW>space any user will need in the long run, how he manages his files and what kind of system he uses AND defaults can be changed. SO even IF you have an issue with a full /home, you could move the stuff out there and put it in e.g. /srv and configure the mediaplayers to expect the stuff there, or work with symbolic links...
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13:47<siddy>oh, I see now, thanks
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13:49<joseph-soares>I've just bougth a new external hd. Removed NTFS and would like to keep a EXT4 Encrypted partition. What's the better way to do this?
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13:51<TCW>joseph-soares, hm?
13:51<TCW>I don't get it, just do it?
13:52<joseph-soares>TCW, Sorry?
13:53<TCW>joseph-soares, where is the problem with just creating an encrypted ext4 filesystem?
13:53<TCW>there is more or less one sane approach to that, cryptsetup
13:54<TCW>most frontends use that anyway
13:54<TCW>e.g. the gnome-disk-utility will create encrypted volumes with that
13:54<joseph-soares>TCW, Does gparted do the same?
13:55<TCW>joseph-soares, or what exatly is your issue / question?
13:56<TCW>no idea... maybe? Maybe not? Does it need to? After all it is a partitioning tool. Right now I don't even know if it can create filesystems at all :)
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13:57<TCW>joseph-soares, if you search for a gui-tool that can do that, I told you one that can do that. I am sure there are other gui tools that can do it too...
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13:59<joseph-soares>TCW, my question is. I want to keep a ext4 crypted partition in an external hd
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14:00<TCW>that is not a question, that is a statement
14:01<joseph-soares>TCW, Sorry, I don't speak English well, so sometimes I make some mistakes about ouw meaning
14:01<joseph-soares>TCW, So, that's what I want
14:01<TCW>joseph-soares, I think I understand you just fine, there just was no question at all
14:03<joseph-soares>TCW, =)
14:03<joseph-soares>TCW, Maybe the question is: how do I do this?
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14:03<siddy>try to do it with gparted
14:04<TCW>joseph-soares, it is very simple. cryptsetup is the command line tool to to that. The package name is the same, so install cryptsetup and you can do that what you want on a command line. As said, gnome-disk-utility has a frontend for such stuff, it is called "palimpsest"
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14:04<TCW>siddy, does gparted support creating encrypted filesystems?
14:05<TCW>imho there is no "try" just "do".
14:05<TCW>it is really no rocket sience
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14:06<windows7freerc1>che
14:06<windows7freerc1>chat
14:06<windows7freerc1>chatting
14:07<siddy>TCW: wasn't sure but it doesn't look like it
14:07<joseph-soares>TCW, I'll see if gparted do
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14:07<TCW>I really don't get you guys :)
14:08<siddy>use cryptsetup
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14:08<TCW>I told you one tool that can do that just fine, I guarantee you that. But you insist on trying a tool that can not do it? :)
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14:12<siddy>what don't you get?
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14:12<siddy>I agreed with you
14:12<TCW>siddy, it is joseph-soares I don't get
14:12<SeHoon>helo.
14:12<SeHoon>hello.
14:13<joseph-soares>TCW, I said just if gparted do this. But seems like donw
14:13<joseph-soares>don't
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14:13<siddy>just google
14:13<siddy>joseph-soares: google 'encrypt partition debian'
14:13<siddy>lots of hits
14:13<siddy>http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/
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14:13<TCW>No I do not say gnome-disk-utility / palimpsest again....
14:13<siddy>http://stolowski.blogspot.ca/2011/06/debian-60-encrypting-home-partition.html
14:14<siddy>e.g.
14:14<siddy>do what TCW said, use cryptsetup
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14:17<siddy>another way:
14:17<siddy>http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-encrypt-directories-partitions-with-ecryptfs-on-debian-squeeze
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14:21<siddy>http://mcwhirter.com.au/craige/blog/2012/EncryptedBackupsonDebian70Wheezy
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14:26<joseph-soares>siddy, Yes, I know it's just google. I came here to know the better way, if there is. Thank you at all
14:28<joseph-soares>TCW, I tryed to create using the gui and it returned http://paste.debian.net/190076/
14:29<TCW>joseph-soares, ls -l /dev/mapper
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14:29<joseph-soares>TCW, palimpsest is running because I tryed to create a non encrypted partition. Is there how to cancel?
14:30<TCW>joseph-soares, why not wait until it finishes? Or did it freeze?
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14:31<TCW>joseph-soares, and as said, paste the output of "ls -l /dev/mapper"
14:31<joseph-soares>TCW, It's Ok, it finished, but it took a long time
14:31<TCW>joseph-soares, forget about a gui for a moment, ok?
14:32<joseph-soares>TCW, No problem. there's no mapper
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14:32<TCW>open a terminal, become root (su -) and paste the output of the commands I will give you. 1.) lsmod|grep dm
14:32<joseph-soares>TCW, Can be sudo su?
14:33<TCW>joseph-soares, I don't care, become root in whatever way suits you
14:34<joseph-soares>TCW, http://paste.debian.net/190078/
14:34<TCW>joseph-soares, 2.) modprobe dm_mod
14:34<TCW>oh... brb
14:35<joseph-soares>TCW, ?
14:35<joseph-soares>TCW, I made 2.)
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14:37<joseph-soares>TCW, Oh, wait. I tried again and it seems like is working
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14:43<joseph-soares>No drop in performance been encrypted?
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14:44<TCW>joseph-soares, that depends...
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14:44<TCW>one thing is sure, it won't get faster when using encryption :)
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14:47<TCW>joseph-soares, de- and encrypting uses ressources, mostly CPU-power, or on specialised hardware, there are chips to do the heavy-lifting in encryption, some mainboards / chipsets support hardware-AES, that helps keeping the CPU load when handling encrypted devices to a minimum. But today with multicore CPUs, you may not even notice that you run on an encrypted drive.
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14:51<joseph-soares>Everytime I mount/unmount it de- and encrypt?
14:51<joseph-soares>TCW,
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14:52<TCW>joseph-soares, not quite. The de- and encrypting happanes just when you read or write files on that device. It would be cumbersome if the device would be completely decrypted when mounted and encrypted again when umounted :)
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14:54<joseph-soares>TCW, It makes sense =)
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14:56<joseph-soares>TCW, Do you know encfs? They have the same performance when write or read files? Do you know what's the better
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14:57<TCW>no idea... the performce should be more or less the same, but encfs uses a different approach. I prefer cryptsetup and encrypting whole drives.
14:59<joseph-soares>TCW, Is it possible create an encrypted folder when installing Debian? /home for example
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15:00<TCW>during install iiarc just encrypting complate filesystems is supported.
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15:07<joseph-soares>TCW, When I try to use in other system, this partition will be recognized or this other system need to have cryptsetup installed?
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15:12<kodak>i need to install wine 1.4, would that be frankendebian?
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15:22<project2501b>hey guys, is there a general build environment ("and the kitchen sink as well") i could use to pressed an installation?
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15:25<chikidu>Hi everybody, I asked for help in the morning because after installing debian and use aptitude upgrade I couldn't boot using gdm3
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15:25<chikidu>I had a couple of problems so I reinstall debian using kde enviorment
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15:27<chikidu>I've just configured the repositories, I used the official ones but I have not upgrade yet
15:27<chikidu>Is there any way to prevent that to happen again
15:28<chikidu>I remember someone told me to use dist-upgrade right?
15:28<Apollo>no
15:28<Apollo>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade first
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15:29<Apollo>THEN apt-get dist-upgrade
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15:30<chikidu>ok, I'll do that and see what happens
15:30<chikidu>thanks a lot!
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15:31<TCW>joseph-soares, sure, crypztsetup is always needed.
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15:32<joseph-soares>TCW, Thank you very much, helped a lot.
15:33<chikidu>this is the output
15:33<chikidu>root@chikidu:~# apt-get update
15:33<chikidu>Obj http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release.gpg
15:33<chikidu>Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main Translation-en
15:33<chikidu>Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main Translation-es
15:33<chikidu>Obj http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release
15:33<chikidu>Obj http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates/main Sources
15:33-!-chikidu was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
15:34<Apollo>was that guy really going to paste the entire apt-get update spam?
15:34<Apollo>wow
15:34<TCW>IRC noob :)
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15:48<chikidu>i'm really sorry, didn't know about that here is the paist http://paste.debian.net/190099
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15:49<boomly>Hello
15:50<devil>chikidu: LANG=C apt-get update will give english output
15:51<chikidu>ok, give me a minute
15:52<chikidu>done: http://paste.debian.net/190103/
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15:54<devil>chikidu: so what is wrong?
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15:55<chikidu>I want to know if I have to install some aditional firmware for the graphic card that I am using
15:55<chikidu>or aditional drivers
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16:02<devil>chikidu: apt-get update will not tell
16:02<devil>chikidu: what card is that?
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16:03<chikidu>intel mobile 4 integrated chipset
16:03<chikidu>8086:2A42
16:03<devil>chikidu: you got all you need
16:04<chikidu>perfect, so why the last time I had that problem?
16:04<devil>chikidu: what problem?
16:04<devil>oh, no X.
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16:05<devil>sorry, my crystal ball is in the shop for overhaul ;)
16:05<devil>if it happens again, we can look at logs
16:07<chikidu>after updating and rebooting I had a kernel panic window while loading I asked a teacher in the university and told me that the problem was the graphic enviorment, because when you log in into rescue mode the text mode works alright
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16:08<devil>like I said, show logs when it happens and we track it down
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16:11<chikidu>ok in case it happens again I'll do it
16:11<chikidu>how can I post the logs? I mean how do I take a screenshot?
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16:19<chikidu>Do I need some extra drivers for wifi? there is the info of my card http://paste.debian.net/190108/
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16:36<gsimmons>chikidu: It depends if a RTL8192E or RTL8192SE chipset is within your laptop. If the r8192_pci Linux kernel module does not recognize your device, you will need to install a backported kernel image package (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) to provide the rtl8192se driver. Firmware from userspace is required in any event (/msg dpkg realtek firmware).
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16:45<chikidu>everything went great after rebooting, thank you
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16:47<chikidu>But now I have this issue when I try to start airodump: http://paste.debian.net/190109/
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16:47<zeptis>hello, #debian. I am having an issue with Iceweasel not creating a playback channel in ALSA, and this problem is resistant to '# dpkg-reconfigure --force -a'. Any ideas what my next troubleshooting step should be?
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16:51<garn32>looking to get a good hardware RAID card for a debian build, looking to boot off of it and use RAID 10 over six drives, any recommendations?
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17:05<chiara>!list
17:05<dpkg>chiara: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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17:34<jrib>what is the recommended way to clone package selections on two systems? Is there anything wrong with using dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections? Is there a better way?
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17:43<joseph-soares>TCW, I'm trying to copy using a monoprocessor computer and I cannot wait
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17:45<joseph-soares>TCW, And I see at the proceessor and it isn't working
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17:51<themill>jrib: you can use aptitude to select only the manually installed packages; /msg dpkg aptitude clone
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17:53<safinaskar>let's assume i want to have very very stable system (for example, production server). so, should i enable "stable-updates" in sources.list?
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17:54<jrib>themill: I believe I can't use aptitude and multi-arch though, or has that been fixed?
17:54<themill>safinaskar: yes. squeeze-updates only contains fixes to serious bugs; the packages will end up in squeeze at the next point release anyway so you're going to see them anyway
17:54<themill>safinaskar: also, use "squeeze" not "stable" in your sources.list. It will save you pain.
17:55<themill>jrib: aptitude allegedly handles this now.
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17:55<jrib>themill: ok, thanks. On a system with an aptitude that doesn't handle it, are there issues to using dpkg as above?
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17:56<themill>jrib: but I don't see :arch anywhere in that output which makes me wonder. That dpkg recipe still works yes; /msg dpkg debian clone
17:56<themill>jrib: it's just that you would lose manual/auto installed info
17:56<safinaskar>themill: and what about "squeeze-proposed-updates"? what is more stable, updates or proposed-updates?
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17:56<jrib>themill: thanks, I think one can get at that too though? Using apt-mark?
17:57<themill>yeah
17:57<themill>"apt-mark showmanual"; nfc how that handles multiargh
17:57<themill>!s-p-u
17:57<dpkg>stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <oldstable-proposed-updates>, <testing-proposed-updates>.
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18:01<safinaskar>themill: so, what is more stable: updates or proposed-updates?
18:01<themill>they're slightly different repos for slightly different things. Neither of them contain any old crap that someone thought they should upload.
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18:05<safinaskar>why d-i asks me about my countrie's stable mirror, but don't asks me about security mirror and always use security.debian.org?
18:06<themill>safinaskar: there isn't a mirror network for security.d.o like that.
18:07<safinaskar>themill: why?
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18:07<themill>there's not much content there to make mirroring important and you don't have to worry about a broken mirror not being updated hence you missing out on security updates
18:08<TCW>thebut sdo has a backup-mirror now?
18:08<TCW>themill, even
18:08<themill>there are several machines in dns for security.d.o
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18:09<sethr>Quick question, and install webcamd /dev/video0 does not appear. Am I forgetting a step ? My camera is a Creatve Labs modelN
18:09<themill>TCW, safinaskar: http://dsa.debian.org/dsablog/2009/06/Setting_up_GeoDNS_for_security.debian.org/
18:09<sethr>VF0150
18:09<sethr>Or better yet, is webcam device support installed in the default kernel ?
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18:10<safinaskar>themill: thanks
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18:10<themill>(note that the specific geo.d.o domain in that blog post has since been retired and the geo dns setup being prototyped there is now used for real)
18:12<TCW>I was just about to ask about exactly that :)
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18:24<joubin__>Does anyone know how I can start and stop the screen saver remotly from ssh?
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18:26<zeptis>joubin__: does xscreensaver-command work?
18:26<joubin__>zeptis: I dont know currently. Re installing the server and adding x-gnome to it
18:26<joubin__>zeptis: I will try as soon as it s done
18:26<joubin__>zeptis: If it doesnt, do you have any other ideas?
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18:28<spendythrift>does installing mysql lock down ports? I was able to access a program via web interface and now i no longer can
18:28<zeptis>I don't use DEs, but 'gnome-screensaver-command -l' might work for that setup, Joubin__
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18:30<rombus>hello ladies!
18:30<rombus>anybody have a brain here?
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18:30<joubin__>rombus: i did, but I lost root access.
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18:32<zeptis>rombus: I might have a brain, but I haven't any empirical knowledge of it. Do you have a problem?
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18:33<joubin__>zeptis: lol
18:33<rombus>yes sir i do
18:33<rombus>im looking to fix smuxi-server
18:33<rombus>the only debian release seems to be 0.7.0.0 i need 0.8.0.0
18:34<themill>,v smuxi-server
18:34<judd>Package: smuxi-server on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.7.2.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.2.2-1; squeeze-backports: 0.8.9.1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.10-1; wheezy: 0.8.10-1; experimental: 0.8.10-2
18:34<themill>rombus: as I pointed out earlier, that information is not correct
18:34<rombus>im a squeezer
18:34<TCW>!bpo
18:34<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
18:36<rombus>dammit my only options are leenny and squeezeeeeee dammit mr potato head !!! mr potato head!!!! wtf?
18:36<TCW>.oO( ... )
18:36<rombus>must have 0.8.0.0 for squeeze the dam cheese
18:37<rombus>why cant we squeeze out 8
18:37<themill>rombus: please calm down and have a go at explaining what you're talking about in some form of English that we can understand. Are you actually using debian here?
18:37<TCW>rombus, are you on any drugs we should know of?
18:37<rombus>yes
18:37<rjsalts>rombus: you did see that you can enable squeeze-backports and install version 0.8.9.1, right?
18:37<rombus>nope
18:37<zeptis>rombus: If you want to be silly, you could find a 0.7.0.0 deb package, use gDebi on it, have gdebi complain a lot, install the dependencies manually, but that is 'not the debian way to do that'
18:37<rombus>im really new here to terminal
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18:38<rombus>please explain how to install the backports
18:38<themill>rombus: read what dpkg said a few lines ago
18:38<rombus>what is a backport
18:38<TCW>romread what dpkg said moments ago
18:38<TCW>rombus, read what dpkg said moments ago
18:38<rombus>ahh
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18:39*zeptis is wondering what rombus is on, and if it's good, but that's #debian-offtopic
18:39<rombus>ok ill be right over
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18:51<zeptis>What syntax would one use to check if Iceweasel is in the Audio group?
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18:53<spendythrift>I have a little over 400 Gb of files that mysteriously disappeared yet still show up in webmin and samba shares. Anyone know how I might find them?
18:54<rombus>how do i add backports to my sources list?
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18:56<zeptis>Rombus: if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list, the line is "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free"
18:56<rombus>well im new to terminal i dont know the commands to edit a line
18:56<zeptis>Rombus: then you run 'sudo apt-get update'.
18:57<zeptis>rombus: 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' would do.
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18:58<rombus>ok if i run sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list whats next
18:59<devil>rombus: read?
18:59<devil>and sudo might not work
18:59<devil>because this is debian, not ubuntu
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19:01<zeptis>devil: care to explain? I sudo all of the time.
19:01<Latino>hi, what do I need to do to use a 3TB harddrive? create a gpt partition table?
19:02<Latino>greetings devil :D
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19:02<devil>zeptis: because you set it up for yourself. it's not set (as I am happy to say) up default in debian
19:02<devil>hi Latino
19:02<devil>zeptis: and I never used it
19:03<devil>well, in scripts, yes.
19:03<devil>but not to become root. I prefer real root
19:04<devil>Latino: right
19:04<Latino>cool, thanks. another discussion of su vs sudo?
19:05<devil>not really. i just wonder why so may advice sudo foo bar in a debian channel
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19:05<devil>s/may/many
19:07<zeptis>devil: ; Personally, I think it's just faster when you're not being root for very long. If you want to school my dumb arse about it, you could msg me about it
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19:13<zeptis>How would I go about removing iceweasel so that plugins, profiles, and bookmarks are also removed with it? I've already run 'apt-get purge iceweasel'.
19:13<themill>zeptis: it's fine for you to have that opinion about how you want to run your machine. But in #debian, you probably need to help the user set up and configure sudo first.
19:14<themill>zeptis: you'd need to remove the stuff from ~/.mozilla (and possibly other locations) yourself.
19:15<spendythrift>#bsd
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21:07<Bobo-Testo>hi
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21:07<Bobo-Testo>can u help a debian user?
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21:12<Bobo-Testo>can u help a debian user?
21:13<abrotman>Bobo-Testo: just ask your question
21:15<Bobo-Testo>I'm with tomcat
21:16<Bobo-Testo>thanks
21:16<Bobo-Testo>Tomcat, the web server, you know
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21:18<abrotman>Bobo-Testo: keep it in the channel, thank you
21:18<Bobo-Testo>testing, can u go sighmas.no-ip.org or sighmas.no-ip.org/LoginSaaS ?? to have a look
21:18<Bobo-Testo>anyone
21:19<Bobo-Testo>my first servlet
21:19<abrotman>a look at what?
21:19<Bobo-Testo>if works
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21:19<Bobo-Testo>I'm in the loopback
21:20<abrotman>doesn't work
21:20<Bobo-Testo>want to know id you see the webapp
21:20<Bobo-Testo>thanks
21:22<Bobo-Testo>btw any error message?
21:22<abrotman>says it can't contact it
21:23<Bobo-Testo>thanks, can u try sighmas.no-ip.org:8084/LoginSaaS please?
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21:27<pinguy>I currently using Pinguy OS 12.04 in live mode. It won't recognize my Logitech wireless keyboard. Also it will not load the topbar, help?
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21:28<abrotman>pinguy: they have their own support channel
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21:28<abrotman>pinguy: use #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net
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21:30<pinguy>No one is in it lol.
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21:32<abrotman>pinguy: pinguyOS is not supported here, perhaps try ##linux on freenode
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21:52<Agent_bob>hi. i just updated from lenny to squeeze... how can i get a vga= line to work in this new kernel ?
21:53<Agent_bob>fonts are so small i can't read anything in the console/tty
21:53<TCW>Agent_bob, what gfx chipset?
21:53<abrotman>!fb
21:53<dpkg>Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>.
21:53<abrotman>oh wait. in grub2, i think it's gfxmode=
21:54<Agent_bob>abrotman ty, i'll try that.
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21:54<TCW>ehm... squeeze does not yet have KMS?
21:54<abrotman>Agent_bob: and it's more like gfxmode=800x600x16
21:55<Agent_bob>k was googling that aws
21:55<abrotman>instead of that cryptic notation used before
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21:57<Seth>Hello all
21:57<Seth>I am aware that the extreme memory usage of debian is usually a performance booster.
21:57<abrotman>you mean the buffers?
21:58<Seth>However, I think that VMWare-server might be seeing that usages as real usage and disk swapping, severly degrading VM performance.
21:58<Seth>Yeah, those.
21:58<Seth>So is there any way to decrease the buffers?
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22:00<abrotman>decrease the usage of buffers? or decrease teh buffers?
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22:02<Seth>Decrease the buffers entirely, leave the RAM untouched so that hopefully vmware uses is and it wont take 3 days to do an install that should take 20mins :P
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22:06<abrotman>Seth: i'm not aware of a way, not sure if the swappiness can control that
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22:06<abrotman>Seth: are you actually going into swap ?
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22:10<Seth>abrotman: I'm not entirely sure..I have 4GB RAM and 2 CPU cores allocated to vm, which is plenty enough, and still plenty left over for host. Yet performance is dismal, which coupled with low memory usage from vmware I assuming means it's swapping.
22:11<abrotman>Seth: how are the drives setup?
22:11<abrotman>Seth: run 'vmstat 3' while you notice poor performance .. see if you're swapping, ignore the first few returns
22:12<Seth> 0 1 0 8768636 112472 6825268 0 0 373 893 1191 2359 0 1 84 15
22:12<Seth> 0 0 0 8764636 112504 6828728 0 0 661 667 1033 1943 0 1 84 15
22:13<Seth>Sorry...should pastebin that...
22:13<abrotman>you can just watch it yourself and tell us? :)
22:13<Seth>http://pastebin.com/A5etp5Dt
22:13<Seth>It would seem to me to not be swapping...
22:14<Seth>But I wish it was because now I have no idea why performance is awful slow.
22:14<abrotman>drive config?
22:15<Seth>(let's just say it's been 3 hours and I'm only 20% through "Expanding files" Server 2008 installation, when before I had to rebuild debian I could get these things fully installed and configured in less than an hour)
22:16<Seth>I dunno...it could be the raid, but again things used to be fine...
22:16<abrotman>raid1? 5? 0?
22:16<abrotman>partition mount options?
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22:18<Seth>OVH dedicated server config :P
22:18<abrotman>means nothing to me
22:19<Seth>Means I don't really know, it was set up by a server company.
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22:46<aelsotaku>hi
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23:08<joubin__>is there a command line acess to turn display on/off?
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23:40<quleap>hey guys
23:40<quleap>thank god my audio still works but some things don't, like spotify for instance
23:40<quleap>ima reinstall it
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23:42<joubin__>Hey yall, can someone tell me how to run a command from crontab that requires x11 or gui
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