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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-17

---Logopened Mon Sep 17 00:01:00 2012
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00:26<joubin__>Hey yall, can someone tell me how to run a command from crontab that requires x11 or gui
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00:45<BlackDragon42>Hello.
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00:47<BlackDragon42>How is everyone?
00:48<BlackDragon42>It's been awhile since I've been on here.
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02:22<toru>Does anyone know if the nvidia drivers are going to be updated anytime soon for wheezy? I'm debating pinning the newer ones. I can't use disper with the current version.
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02:29<jm_>,versions nvidia-glx
02:29<judd>Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 302.17-3; sid/non-free: 304.48-1
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02:33<jm_>packages.qa site says it might be updated next week (if I understand it correctly)
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02:33<toru>hmm well that would be good. might just wait it out.
02:33<toru>just a tad bit of a hassle to go into nvidia settings every time i want to use 2 monitors.
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02:34<toru>then again it might not be too hard to just update it now and then unpin it later.
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02:35<toru>i can't figure out why they took pidgin-libnotify out though. had to grab that from the sid repository earlier.
02:36<toru>works fine with the xfce-notify daemon and what not.
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02:37<jm_>because of bugs
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02:38<toru>eh, there's plenty of bugs in stuff they kept in there still.
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02:39<toru>but yeah i haha. i guess i just don't understand the ways of the debian masterminds.
02:40<jeep_>toru: you mistook some bugs for hidden features is all !
02:40<toru>haha indeed.
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04:04<perlwizard>what is 'network' line in /e/n/i file for ?
04:05<perlwizard>I'm in /28 network, what should I have on there
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04:10<jm_>you shouldn't need the network line
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04:11<perlwizard>alright. thank you
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04:44<msi>hi there
04:45<msi>if i install a package from squeeze backports on my stable, will it substitute an installed packages from stable oder not?
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04:47<msi>to be more precise: i have iceweasel from the stable repository installed and want to upgrade to the backports version. now, when i simply say "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel", will i have two instneces of iceweasel installed?
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04:50<perlwizard>try it and see ?
04:51<SynrG>the only way to have two of the same package installed is for them to have different names
04:51<msi>well, i'd rather know about the conseqeunces before
04:51<msi>ok. so the old iceweasel will be substituted.
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04:55<msi>ok. that worked.
04:56<msi>i'm runnign iceweasel 10 now and i don't like what it looks like.
04:56<msi>can any recommend another browser to try?
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04:58<msi>is apt-pinning still necessary to have backports upgraded automatically?
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05:00<SynrG>msi: backports are pinned by default
05:00<diroots>msi: chromium-browser
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05:02<msi>chromium is by google, right?
05:02<SynrG>msi: read http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ and man apt_preferences on what '100' means
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05:03<msi>ok, thanks
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05:07<jm_>msi: you can get newer version of iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net
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05:09<SynrG>jm_: for squeeze? i thought 10 was the latest they supported
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05:10<jm_>SynrG: yup, for squeeze, all recent versions have been available for squeeze there
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05:11<SynrG>ah, right. it's only icedove that they only offer esr for
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06:23<enrico_>hi
06:23<enrico_>!list
06:23<dpkg>enrico_: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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06:24<enrico_>Hello
06:24<enrico_>!list
06:24<dpkg>enrico_: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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06:33<planetmaker>!list
06:33<dpkg>planetmaker: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
06:33<planetmaker>hm
06:33<planetmaker>why does it talk italian?
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06:36<jm_>because only italians do !list
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06:37<vimes>Having severe difficulty installing firefox add-ons in iceweasel. I download it, it says it will reinstall after restart, it doesn't. How do I install add-ons on iceweasel or alternatively how to do I install firefox on Debian nicely so it isn't in Dutch and updates properly etc etc
06:38<jm_>how are you installing add-ons? which version of iceweasel?
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06:39<vimes>Fairly sure its the latest one I'll check. I go to the mozilla website, click install add-on for firefox, it downloads, says it will install on restart. When I restart, it doesn't have it and the install button is still there like nothing happened.
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06:40<jm_>check via help->about
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06:42<vimes>11.0
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06:43<jm_>that's old, 15.0.1 is lates on mozilla.debian.net (backports has 10.x ESR release)
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06:44<vimes>"apt-get update" and "apt-get install iceweasel" just said it was the latest version. How do I force it to update to the latest version?
06:45<jm_>visit mozilla.debian.net in your browser to get instructions
06:45<vimes>oki doke
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06:54<vimes>ok...stupid question here, I want to make a new file in sources.list.d to put the address lines inside, but...do I just make a text file, copy the text in and change the extention to .list?
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06:56<jm_>yes
06:56<vimes>k
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07:10<jemadux>when xfce 4.10 wil be on sid ?
07:10<jm_>it's in experimental
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07:31<grusemil>hi
07:32<grusemil>I'm unable to install nvidia glx, nor the kernel
07:32<grusemil>any help would be appreciated
07:32<jm_>tried instructions from http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ?
07:33<grusemil>no, my mistake, let me see, tank you
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07:38<babilen>!tell grusemil -about nvidia dkms
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07:48<babilen>grusemil: Which card do you have?
07:50<grusemil>that pluggin for x.chat xys, do I need to restart it ?
07:50<babilen>no idea
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07:54<grusemil>babilen: nVidia Corporation G98M [GeForce G 103M]
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07:57<babilen>grusemil: yeah, the instructions in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" (dpkg told you about that already) should work for you
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07:58<grusemil>I'm not so sure, he want's me to remove a lots of stuff
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07:59<babilen>grusemil: "he" ? If you are unsure about the behaviour of some program paste the exact command and its output to http://paste.debian.net
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08:00<babilen>grusemil: Ah, you probably did install a kernel from backports didn't you
08:01<grusemil>babilen: no I didn't do that yet
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08:02<babilen>grusemil: Ah, ok. In that case I am not sure what your problem might be and I need to see the exact command and its output.
08:03<grusemil>babilen: maybe was something running, java stuff and things like that were selected for remove with install linux headers
08:03<grusemil>not anymore
08:04<grusemil>linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 - I assume this is it ?
08:05<babilen>grusemil: It might still be a good idea to paste the output of the aptitude install command to http://paste.debian.net -- That way I can check if the driver compilation succeeded.
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08:05<babilen>grusemil: The command that should work for you is "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms"
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08:06<babilen>grusemil: Or, due to the fact that we know that you run amd64 "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms"
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08:06<grusemil>ah, that command run install the whole thing, perfect
08:07<babilen>May I see the output?
08:07<grusemil>In a min
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08:09<grusemil>http://paste.debian.net/190226/
08:09<grusemil>is in my native language, I prefer english though
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08:09<grusemil>*it's
08:11<babilen>grusemil: That looks fine -- You can now continue with the rest of the instructions. If you want to switch your default locale to English you can run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and configure it to your liking.
08:11<grusemil>babilen: thank you very much
08:12<babilen>grusemil: Rest of the instructions: "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section ...." (see "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms")
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08:18<vimes>cheers jm_ I installed all the add-ons I wanted to except better-privacy for whatever reason
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08:21<jm_>vimes: no worries; interesting, that one works fine for me
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08:25<loicd>Hi. How would you mirror a wheezy repository ? I've tried reprepro but it's very sensitive to errors (i.e. it will stop mirroring as soon as an error occurs on a package instead of discarding it )
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08:29*loicd trying http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror
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08:32<grusemil>babilen: Seems that is working
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08:33<grusemil>once again cheers
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09:35<grusemil>anyone knows whish is the package for sreenshots ? gnome-screenshot isn't avaiable
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09:37<melmothX>grusemil: there are dozen of tools for screenshots
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09:38<melmothX>if you have imagemagick (and I will be suprised if you have not it), import myshot.png will do the trick. Gimp, also, takes screenshots
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09:38<grusemil>memothx, dozen of tools for shotkeys screenshots ? Where ?
09:39<grusemil>*shortkeys
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09:44<grusemil>anyway, got it, problem on sources.list
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09:45<SynrG>i am rather happy with shutter for an all-singing/dancing screenshot tool
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09:57<nadir>imo shutter is worth a try
09:57<nadir>too
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10:32<grusemil>I did follow the steps by dpkg to nvidia, still not working properly as on ubuntu
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10:41<babilen>grusemil: Please elaborate. I also recall that you said: "Seems that is working"
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10:44<grusemil>I noticed that speciallly in game
10:44<grusemil>Very slow, maybe due to backports ?
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10:47<babilen>grusemil: Could you install mesa-utils and show me the output of 'glxinfo|grep -iE "render(er|ing)"' -- Which game exactly and how do you run it. Didn't you say that you don't use backports (as of now) or what did you install from there?
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10:48<grusemil>babilen: I didn't use, maybe is that the cause ?
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10:51<grusemil>please tell me exactly how to use mesa-utlities
10:51<babilen>Didn't I?
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10:51<grusemil>nothing is showing after that
10:52<babilen>grusemil: Ok, then run "glxinfo" and paste that along with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net
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10:56<grusemil>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/190264/
10:56<grusemil>it's very long, a bit harsh, thank you for a having a look at it
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10:58<babilen>grusemil: Everyhting in that looks fine -- You definitely have hardware acceleration. This means that you have to provide more details about your actual problem. It could be that a newer nvidia version performs better, but how would we ever know if you don't tell us what is wrong?
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11:03<grusemil>I already told you, the game I used to play is running slower graphically, same card, same game
11:03<grusemil>What more can I add ?
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11:06<babilen>Which game? How do you run or install it? Slower compared to what? Which driver version was installed on "the other system". Which system do you compare to?
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11:24<grusemil>babilen: ET, running a shell script due to sound problems, mint susie
11:24<babilen>grusemil: Which nvidia driver version did you use there?
11:24<grusemil>Isn't a problem, since I don't inted to play a lot in the next seasons. but something is wrong
11:25<grusemil>Don't know, the system took care of that
11:25<babilen>grusemil: Well, this is probably influenced by many things such as the nvidia driver version, xorg version, mesa version, ...
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11:26<babilen>Hard to say anything specific without knowing the particulars.
11:29<grusemil>I saved the software selection data
11:29<grusemil>but that doesn't say much about it
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11:31<grusemil>xserver-xorg-video-nouveau; xserver-xorg-video-qxl
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11:32<babilen>grusemil: You could try a newer nvidia driver, kernel and/or xorg version from backports, but I can't tell you if that will help. But given that you should install a newer kernel for your wireless card anyway it might now be too much of a hassle. See <bdo> <bdo kernel> and <bdo xorg> for details.
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11:32<babilen>grusemil: nouveau is the open-source driver
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11:35<Screwba>anyone here know samba-winbind?
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11:36<grusemil>Ok, I'll look at it later, have to go now, thanks again, stay fine babilen
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11:38<SynrG>Screwba: still lost, hm? my sympathies, but still not the right place to bring the problem unless it pertains to debian
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11:44<PaulePanter>Hi. Looking at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=evolution-data-server;dist=unstable what is the symbol for bugs that are marked »wontfix«?
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11:45<themill>PaulePanter: should be a little frowny face. Looks like the bts is eating utf-8 again
11:45<PaulePanter>Looking at the line for #499200, â¹ is shown in WebKit based browsers.
11:45<PaulePanter>themill: Yes.
11:46<PaulePanter>Thank you for confirming.
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11:46<PaulePanter>Where should that be reported to?
11:47<themill>,bug 682281
11:47<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/682281 in bugs.debian.org (open, confirmed): «Tag wontfix doesn't display the sad face icon correctly»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-07-20; last modified: 2012-07-20.
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11:49<PaulePanter>themill: Thanks!
11:49<themill>PaulePanter: ^^ the bugs.debian.org pseudo-package looks after bugs in the bts itself.
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11:49<PaulePanter>themill: Understood. Thanks.
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12:00<ritu>hi
12:00<ritu>hello to all
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12:16<rtwhrt_>hi all
12:17<retrospectacus>hey
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12:17<D|2aG00n>español?
12:17<rtwhrt_>hungary
12:17<rtwhrt_>XD
12:17<daemonkeeper>!es
12:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:17<rtwhrt_>!hun
12:17<rtwhrt_>!hu
12:17<dpkg>from memory, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
12:18<dust>!at
12:18<dpkg>[at] a delayed job execution and batch processing program, or IBM's second-generation PC (Advanced Technology), or Austria, or OK
12:18<rtwhrt_>ok
12:18<dust>:D
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12:18<daemonkeeper>!msg the bot
12:18<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
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12:19<Guest7341>Hi! How can I reduce the file buffer RAM consumption?
12:20<Guest7341>I know it's a performace boosting thingy, but Virtualbox sees the RAM as used and Guru Meditates my VMs.
12:20<The_dutch>Penis^
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12:38<anon-xxx-xxxx>#list
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12:40<madd>hello
12:40<retrospectacus>hi
12:40<anon-xxx-xxxx>sappnin irc Gz
12:40<madd>guys i need some guidance
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12:40<retrospectacus>!ask
12:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:41<madd>thank you
12:41<madd>but i am looking for something else at the moment
12:41<madd>does anybody know irc channel for vcc purchase?
12:41<retrospectacus>this channel is for debian support. "something else" is offtopic
12:42<madd>ok...
12:42<retrospectacus>try #moocows
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12:42<madd>thanx ;)
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12:46<hannibal>hello
12:46<retrospectacus>hi
12:46<hannibal>hello i am new here
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12:46<retrospectacus>!ask
12:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:46*babilen sees a recurrent theme emerging
12:47<hannibal>i am using zorin core 6
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12:47<hannibal>an di cant do c ++ programming
12:47<retrospectacus>hannibal: not sure what that is but it doesn't sound like debian
12:47<hannibal>ok wait
12:47<hannibal>my english is bad sorry
12:47<retrospectacus>try filling in the blanks in the !ask thing above
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12:48<hannibal>I have a problem with terminal
12:48<hannibal>and when i installed debain i cant see best fonts
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12:49<retrospectacus>well that was pointless
12:49<babilen>hannibal: This is a support channel for Debian (http://www.debian.org) and Zorin OS is not supported in here. I would recommend to take it to #ZorinOS on irc.freenode.net or elsewhere. Thank you!
12:49<babilen>(that as well)
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13:02<grusemil>back
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13:03<grusemil>having a closer view, even the letters seems not to be accurate
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13:05<grusemil>I'm afraid using imageshack for e.g. to show can't be satisfying
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13:06<grusemil>using backports can damage the system ?
13:07<retrospectacus>not particularly.... lots of things you could do to damage the system though
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13:09<grusemil>sure, I meant to backports specifically
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13:35<ripper>hola
13:35<ripper>hice un post sobre mi "problema" http://goo.gl/LbEuV
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13:36<ripper>aunque lo resumo en un "gnome-exe-thumbnailer" para el entorno de escritorio mate
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13:39<ripper>hi i need some kind of "gnome-exe-thumbnailer" for mate desktop enviroment
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13:41<retrospectacus>ripper: mate is not in debian and so not supported here. Try #mate on irc.freenode.net
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13:41<cobehattieu12345>dfsdfsdfsd
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13:41<ripper>thanks i asked here because i use debian testing
13:42<ripper>¬¬
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13:44<retrospectacus>ripper, testing has its own channel: #debian-next but it doesn't have mate either, so they won't know anything there either. Try the mate channel.
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14:02<grusemil>ripper, or you can try #linuxmin-help on Spotchat
14:04<ripper>grusemil, you are right i dont thinked in it XD
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14:04<grusemil>yeah, maybe they can help you until you wait here or elsewhere
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14:07<ripper>what's spotchat?
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14:08<grusemil>ripper: irc.spotchat.org
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14:09<babilen>!mint
14:09<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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14:09<grusemil>lolz, that's usefull
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14:39<Derpadong>I need some help. Im trying to use pianobar but I keep getting this error from pkcs11 saying something is connecting from the keyring. Can anyone help me? Im on Debian Sid
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14:39<Derpadong>isnt*
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15:10<lollino>hi
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15:24<BlackDragon42>Hello.
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15:27<BlackDragon42>How is everyone?
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15:30<BlackDragon42>Anyways...
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15:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:41<Pawki>hi
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16:23<martasd>hi. for various reasons, i need to install packages from archive.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny (oldstable). Is there a way to verify the authenticity of those packages? I have added the key i found at http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html, but I still get a warning that the packages i am trying to install cannot be authenticated. Can anyone help?
16:23<colin_t>I'm using stable with fluxbox and recently gnome-volume-control-applet stopped working. I get this: ** (gnome-volume-control-applet:6020): WARNING **: Connection failed, reconnecting... what is it trying to connect to?
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16:25<ompaul>martasd: so you want a retired key but hey it's retired for a reason stable has moved on
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16:26<ompaul>colin_t: no idea - lsof might say what it thinks it's doing - most likely your sound card
16:27<martasd>ompaul: could you explain what retired means? is there no way to verify the authenticity?
16:28<ompaul>martasd: no longer in use
16:28<ompaul>martasd: you might be able to stick them somewhere and verify the packages
16:28<ompaul>martasd: why not upgrade it to squeeze
16:29<ompaul>maintaining an out of tree, old distro and you want security can I cough now please?
16:29<martasd>ompaul: it is a very special case, there are reasons I don't really want to explain right now
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16:30<martasd>ompaul: i would love you to upgrade to squeeze, but it is just not an option
16:30<ompaul>http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys/archive-key-5.0.asc
16:30<ompaul>martasd: you haven't convinced me that it is just not an option
16:30<martasd>i have tried that one, but i still get a warning from apt
16:30<ompaul>the box you are loading / restoring has access to the internet
16:31<ompaul>I'd use aptzip and download the files with wget but that's me
16:31<ompaul>at least I knew where i got them from
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16:31<_Condor>ciao ragazzi ... :)
16:31<ompaul>or maybe not aptzip ... but hey whatever works for you (build your own repo and sign it)
16:31<ompaul>!it
16:31<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:32<_Condor>ok graz ;)
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16:34<colin_t>ompaul: looking at strace it seems to be looking for pulse. is that the default in stable?
16:34<martasd>ompaul: apt-zip uses apt, so that's not much different; i think i will just have to trust it
16:34<ompaul>its in there
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16:36<ompaul>colin_t: I~( don't think so but it is available you may have installed something that pulled it in
16:37<colin_t>ompaul: indeed, thanks anyways
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16:41<Karou>hey folks
16:41<Karou>can anyone lend me a hand
16:41<Karou>im looking to install debian via usb
16:41<Karou>im just trying to figure out what to do about the files for install
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16:42<Karou>mind you I can't have a gui
16:42<streuner>Karou: check out /msg dpkg ig
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16:42<Karou>that's not really gunna help :P
16:43<Guest7368>help
16:43<Guest7368>:P
16:43<Karou>nvm
16:43<Guest7368>?
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17:27<dodo>I am logged into a Debian through ssh. I would like to run a program and have it keep running after I log out. How can I do that?
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17:29<Brigo>dodo: detach, i think
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17:29<Brigo>dodo: no, nohup: nohup (1) - run a command immune to hangups, with output to a non-tty
17:30<dodo>Brigo, thanks
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17:32<retrospectacus>dodo: screen, tmux, disown or nohup
17:32<dodo>retrospectacus, thanks.
17:33<daemonkeeper>(with all providing the functionality in question, but in an orthogonally different way)
17:34<retrospectacus>might as well read up on all of them! I use screen although everyone says tmux is better, I'm just used to screen
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17:37<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: Frankly, it is mostly the same. tmux has a much better multi user support to come around the screen size problems you *surely* encountered when using screen with multiple users attached.
17:37<daemonkeeper>And, better permissions for multi user sessions.
17:38<daemonkeeper>(better permissions as in: not relying on a writable /dev/tty of the owning session)
17:38<daemonkeeper>Aside, it's matter of taste mostly.
17:38<retrospectacus>ah. Well I've only used it for multi-attach once or twice
17:38<retrospectacus>and yeah the "cannot open your tty" or whatever is confusing and annoying
17:39<daemonkeeper>Also windows which never fit the remaining client's terminal sizes.
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17:40<retrospectacus>my most common use case: I'm using screen for this irssi session, so I can use it from work/home/anywhere... don't have to deal with multiple connected terminals
17:41<daemonkeeper>Oh: that reminds of another tmux advantage: it's backlog scrolling does not suck :p
17:42<retrospectacus>nice. That is also quite annoying... the only way I know how to go up when e.g. watching a log file is ^A[
17:43<daemonkeeper>(on the other hand, its keyboard shortcuts are worse than screen's, if that's even possible)
17:44<retrospectacus>sounds like I'll be sticking with what I know
17:44<retrospectacus>:)
17:46<daemonkeeper>never change a running ... ehrm ... terminal emulator window manager
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17:52<elena16>ya
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17:56<chikidu>Hi! I'm having this problem using aircrack, would you mind help me out? http://paste.debian.net/190376/
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18:06<Apollo>did you bother to google?
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18:07<Apollo>I doubt anyone is going to tell you everything, especially because you're trying to run aircrack
18:07<Apollo>this smells scriptkiddy
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18:09<chikidu>yeah, I am still serching in google, and yes I'm a "scriptkiddy". The problem is that the firmware is missing, right?
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18:10<perlwizard>those error messages look italian
18:10<perlwizard>maybe you'll have better help on italian support channel
18:13<chikidu>no, it's spanish, sorry about that. It says that the directory or file [phy0]SIOCSIFFLAGS exist
18:13<chikidu>No such file or directory...
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18:14<Apollo>chikidu: rtfm
18:14<Apollo>they describe the issue in their faq
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18:16<chikidu>Ok, thank you!
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18:17<chikidu>and sorry to bother you
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19:04<hamstar>hey guys
19:04<hamstar>can i ask questions about packaging in here?
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19:05<retrospectacus>yes, though you might get more action in #debian-mentors
19:05<themill>hamstar: you can; #debian-mentors may be a better place depending on the question and what you're trying to do with the package
19:05<devil>hamstar: best do that in #d-mentors
19:05<hamstar>sweet thank you
19:06<hamstar>oh btw i mean like finetuning a package that i've made
19:06<hamstar>#debina-mentors still good for that?
19:06<hamstar>*#debian-mentors
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19:07<themill>yes. Particularly if you're looking to have it uploaded to debian
19:08<hamstar>cool thanks :)
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20:04<siddy>how do I check the free disk space of my partitions? df is not doing it :( It only shows the current partition (and root dir)
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20:05<TCW>siddy, huh?
20:06<TCW>df does print all fses found in /proc/mounts, which are all currently mounted filesystems.
20:06<TCW>at least without a fs-option, like df -h /
20:06<TCW>just df -h and all fses are printed
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20:07<TCW>bbl
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21:33<siddy>TCW: but, it didn't
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21:33<siddy>not all partitions
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22:44<MykX>hello everybody
22:44<retrospectacus>hi
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23:03<ziggy>yo yo
23:03<retrospectacus>!ask
23:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:03<ziggy>any IT/IS guys in the room
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23:08*Screwba is an IT guy. =)
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23:13<imperial>theres probably alot that are on different expert level
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23:16<retrospectacus>today I have a problem... squeeze, trying to install gnucash: apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/190430/ install attempts: http://paste.debian.net/190431/ more policy http://paste.debian.net/190432/
23:16<Ariii>How should I convince my High School to switch from MS Office to OpenOffice/LibreOffice/etc. ? I don't want to pay the large fee to purchase it.
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23:17<retrospectacus>Ariii: tell them to give you the large fee or use the equivalent LO for free, their choice
23:18<retrospectacus>not a debian question though. Try #debian-offtopic if you want to continue
23:18<Ariii>retrospectacus: Good idea, thanks! And sorry.
23:18<retrospectacus>:)
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