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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-18

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00:01<tuchys>hola
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00:45<MykX>What's it? GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed:An authentication agent alredy exists for the given subject
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02:06<tinkerman>looking for help to reestablish audio
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03:16<esquire>hello
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03:17<esquire>hi
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03:18<ectospasm>'sup?
03:18<esquire>hello any body here?
03:18<ectospasm>!ask
03:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:21<esquire>please help me
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03:23<ectospasm>esquire: you must not be able to read very well.
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03:32<devil>esquire is probably looking for his/her glasses
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03:34<esquire>wht?
03:34<jillsmitt>i have a problem with intel g45 soundcard
03:34<movl>esquire is max. 16 years old
03:34<jillsmitt>system use it, but i dont have sound
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03:35<ectospasm>jillsmitt: mixer levels are set appropriately? Try alsamixer, or the mixer for your DE
03:35<jillsmitt>yes everything is ok
03:36<jillsmitt>all chans unmuted
03:36<ectospasm>speakers plugged in and turned on?
03:36<jillsmitt>and mixer in debian shows volume levels for apps
03:36<jillsmitt>speaker is internal
03:37<jillsmitt>it is always turned on after power on
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03:43<ectospasm>jillsmitt: are you sure you've chosen the right output device? You may have several, especially if you have an HDMI port on the machine.
03:44<jillsmitt>i am not
03:44<jillsmitt>i think intel g45 is a sound subsystem on my internal intel videocard
03:45<jillsmitt>my another audiodevice is Intel Corporation 82801I
03:45<jillsmitt>and it is not in alsamixer soundcard list
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04:27<ancdix>hi everyone... I was wondering if someone could recommend you a good backup tool for creating full/incremental backups ?
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04:28<nevyn>andres: how much stuff on how many systems
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04:44<toru>ancdix: have you tried rsync? a little rsync and cron is a great way to back up stuff.
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04:46<ancdix>yeah but I would be great if I could work with snapshots (using esx5 ...) and the only thing I found is Zmada Netork backup :(
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04:48<project2501a>hm, any particular reason /etc/shadow is 640 ?
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04:51<themill>project2501a: what would you expect it to be?
04:51*project2501a waves to themill
04:51<project2501a>themill: the CIS benchmark says it should be 600
04:51<toru>777 of course.
04:51<project2501a>heh
04:52<ansgar>project2501a: "CIS benchmark"?
04:52<themill>/usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz → programs that need to access /etc/shadow are sgid shadow
04:52<project2501a>http://www.cisecurity.org/
04:52<project2501a>i think i am going to deluge debian-security...
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04:52<project2501a>themill: ooh. how many cases of beer do i owe you so far?!
04:53<project2501a>themill: how about a greek citizenship, instead?
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04:54<themill>o-0
04:54<project2501a>you will, of course, have to help us pay off the debt :D
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05:14<a4fbr>hello
05:14<a4fbr>i want to install nvidia graphic card on samsung laptop in ubuntu
05:14<a4fbr>12.04
05:15<themill>a4fbr: sounds like you want to ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net in that case
05:16<a4fbr>ya
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05:55<exptom>Hi, I have a problem with modprobe.d/*.conf. I am trying to set an option on my network module (bnx) and have created a file /etc/modprobe.d/bnx2.conf which contains "options bnx2 disable_msi=1" but on reboot the module option has not been applied.
05:57<jm_>run update-initramfs
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05:58<exptom>ah, does that read the contents of modprobe.d ? i though it looked at /etc/initramfs-tools/modules?
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06:01<jm_>it also includes /etc/modprobe.d in it
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06:02<exptom>that's worked.
06:02<exptom>thank you jm_ :)
06:03<jm_>exptom: no worries
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06:17<davide87>hii
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06:20<erjk>Hi. I have Wheezy amd64 with KDE installed. I want to get rid of all the KDE apps I am not using (i.e. Konqueror, Kopete). If I will remove one of them, I will also have to remove meta-packages kde-standard or even kde-plasma-desktop. Is it safe?
06:20<ancdix>Hi erjk... that will break your KDE ...
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06:21<davide87>how to install kde 4.9.1 in debian stable?
06:21<erjk>ancdix, What do you mean by "break"?
06:22<ancdix>well these are dependencies ... if you remove Konqueror that will remove the KDE base
06:23<erjk>From what I understand removing kde-standard package won't do much damage, cause it's only the standard apps set. But kde-plasma-desktop is the core package of KDE, so removing it could destroy the whole desktop.
06:23<ancdix>yes exactly
06:23<erjk>Yeah, Konqueror is the one which wants me to remove kde-plasma-desktop. Other apps just want me to remove kde-standard,
06:23<erjk>So I'll leave Konqueror, but remove every other app I can.
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06:24<erjk>ancdix, Thanks for straightening that out.
06:24<ancdix>You're welcome
06:24<davide87>erjk, you can help me?
06:25<erjk>davi, Probably by installing kde-plasma-desktop package.
06:25<erjk>davi, If you want also a set of basic apps, install kde-standard too.
06:26<erjk>davide87, You know how to handle that?
06:27<davide87>erjk, now i use debian with kde of official repository
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06:27<erjk>So you are running KDE now?
06:28<davide87>yes
06:28<erjk>Oh, I get. You want to upgrade to new version.
06:28<davide87>but have the version 4.4.5
06:28<davide87>i want upgrade to 4.9.1
06:28<erjk>The only thing that comes to my mind is using testing repositories, but that's not what you want to do, right?
06:29<davide87>it's dangerous use the testing repo?
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06:29<erjk>Hmm...
06:29<davide87>if i want upgrade only kde?
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06:29<erjk>The only problem on testing I have, but quite regularly, are fglrx-drivers for my Radeon.
06:30<erjk>Other than that it's quite stable.
06:30<davide87>i have nvidia
06:30<davide87>can try to upgrade...
06:30<davide87>but
06:31<erjk>I haven't used that myself, but I heard the drivers for nvidia are much better.
06:31<erjk>I think you could try.
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06:31<davide87>if change with the testing repo, i can upgrade only kde right?
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06:32<erjk>Yeah, I think you could, but I don't about KDE dependecies. There're probably lots of them. It will upgrade that too. And if you run system upgrade, then it will upgrade everything.
06:33<davide87>for avoid risks can i use testing repo for upgrade kde and late restore the stable repo?
06:33<erjk>I don't know. I am not that much of a brainer when it comes to Debian.
06:34<erjk>I think you should ask someone else to have a really competent answer.
06:34<davide87>uhmm ok
06:34<davide87>i have another problem... when i open dolphin i can't open other partitions
06:35<davide87>permission denied... why?
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06:35<erjk>Partitions to mount?
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06:35<davide87>yes
06:36<erjk>I have that problem myself shortly after running system. But then after 10-20 seconds it's alright.
06:36<davide87>debian don't automount partition.. and if i want mount have this problem
06:36<erjk>I don't know what causes it though.
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06:44<sinestic>hi guys
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06:45<sinestic>i have one pc,mount debian 6 squeeze.the sims1 run inside debian sistem?wine not run setup
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06:56<perlwizard>http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=768
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06:56<perlwizard>4/6 garbage
06:56<perlwizard>doesn't look good, sinestic
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07:00<sinestic>wait i see xD
07:00<sinestic>mmm i now download this version?
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07:07<TobiX>sinestic: As far as the AppDB goes, your best bet would be Sims 3, it has quite good ratings: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=16664
07:08<TobiX>But even that seems to crash a lot, so no fun with any Sims under Linux
07:09<sinestic>i need the sims 2
07:10<TobiX>sinestic: Well, no luck there: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1942 - Every test result says "Garbage"
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07:11<sinestic>ah ok :)
07:11<sinestic>thks tobix
07:11<sinestic>^^
07:11<sinestic>thks to all
07:11<sinestic>:)
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07:13<TobiX>sinestic: As far as I read the test results, Sims 2 does very nasty Direct3D trickery...
07:14<sinestic>mmm ok
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07:37<tziOm>How do I prevent a package from running make check?
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07:42<diederik>I have a 8GB USB stick on which I had dd-ed an iso (d-i beta2). Later I wanted to use the whole stick for data, so I created a new partition table with parted (mkpart) and created a new 8GB partition.
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07:44<diederik>And then I created a filesystem (ntfs) on it. But when I now plug my stick in, the automounter shows 2 items, the partition I created and sth labeled as the sticks name, which still seems to contain the dd-ed iso image.
07:44<diederik>How do I get rid of that so it only shows the (ntfs) partition?
07:45<jm_>just wipe first several megs with zeros and re-create the part. table / FS
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07:46<diederik>ok, thanks. When I view the stick with parted I don't see it though, only the partition. Why's that?
07:47<perlwizard>try cfdisk
07:47<perlwizard>always worked fine
07:47<jm_>sorry, you don't see what?
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07:48<diederik>some data section/partition which holds the contents of the dd-ed iso. When I do "parted print <device>", only the ntfs partition shows up
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07:50<jm_>and if you do 'fdisk -l' or if you inspect the MBR with a hex editor, what do you see?
07:52<diederik>fdisk -l only shows the partition, although it's system is Linux ?!?
07:53<jm_>well type field determines that, but it's mostly insignificant
07:54<diederik>I don't know how to inspect it with a HEX editor though.
07:55<jm_>dd if=/dev/sdX count=1 | xxd (xxd comes with vim, anything else will also work, i.e. hexdump)
07:56<jm_>but if fdisk shows only 1 part. then it looks fine
07:56<diederik>perlwizard: how well does cfdisk support GPT? I want to use 1 partitioning program (if possible) and google's result show 'mixed' results wrt cfdisk and gpt
07:57<weasel>there's also gdisk
07:58<diederik>jm_: thanks :-) How to interpret what I see?
07:58<diederik>weasel: thanks, will check it out
07:58<jm_>diederik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record
07:58<jm_>diederik: the tables near the top
07:59<diederik>cool, thanks!
07:59<perlwizard>diederik I don't think you've mentioned GPT before
08:00<diederik>perlwizard: that's true. But I also have a 2TB usb drive
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08:03<TobiX>diederik: The d-i image might have a GPT already (because of EFI booting), so you need to delete a bit more then the MBR...
08:03<diederik>Since partitioning programs can be 'dangerous' I want to minimize the risk of mixing parameters from different programs, hence my wish to settle on 1 partitioning program. And gpt support is a strong wish for a partitioner
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08:04<diederik>TobiX: so if I dd a large/whole part before repartitioning I should be good to go?
08:05<TobiX>Yes
08:05<diederik>thanks
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08:05<jm_>I think EFI builds are in non-standard dir
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08:07<TobiX>jm_: Right. To make absolutly sure, just overwrite the first megabyte before repartitioning (GPT should end after ~160kB)
08:07<jm_>TobiX: indeed
08:07<weasel>isn't the GPT at the end of the disk?
08:08<TobiX>weasel: Oh, right. There is a backup...
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08:10<TobiX>diederik: So, to make absolutly sure, you have to wipe the first 160kB and the last 160kB of a disc :(
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08:11<diederik>ok, than it's probably easier to figure out how to zero the entire disk, right?
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08:13<diederik>what's the difference between using /dev/zero /dev/null and /dev/(u)random?
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08:15<jm_>diederik: man null random
08:16<jm_>make that man 4 null random
08:17<diederik>cool! didn't know you could use 'man' like that
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08:36*diederik wonders how long 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc' is gonna take LOL
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08:38<babilen>diederik: Please run "man dd" and read the discussion about sending a USR1 signal to it. That way you'll get output.
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08:40<babilen>diederik: pgrep and pidof might come in handy as you probably don't know the PID
08:41<diederik>babilen: thanks. Doesn't 'kill $pid' kill the dd process?
08:42<jm_>diederik: not if you send the right signal, tjhat's why it's important to read the man page
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08:42<babilen>diederik: kill sends a signal to the process and the default signal is TERM -- You want to send the USR1 signal and therefore use "kill -USR1 ..."
08:43<diederik>I have it in front of me, but he section about USR1 starts with dd in the background and it's running in the foreground here
08:44<Eryn_1983_FL>6yup
08:44<babilen>You just need it's pid to be able to send it a USR1 signal. As soon as it receives that signal it will print the desired output.
08:44<diederik>"$ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid" my question is about the last part
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08:44<babilen>diederik: Just sent it a USR1 signal -- Did you try it?
08:45<diederik>just did it (in another window) and am seeing the output in the dd window :-)
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08:47<babilen>surprise!
08:47<babilen>diederik: I hope that answers your initial question :)
08:48<diederik>when the dd is finished I'll try the whole command from the man page, but now I know that USR1 is sufficient to get feedback. Thanks.
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08:50<babilen>diederik: The command sequence in the man page is merely meant to exemplify the usage. The final kill is *not* needed and would kill (rather TERMinate) the process as you rightly suspected
08:50<diederik>in the meantime I've also found a way to benchmark it by specifying the bs parameter
08:51<babilen>diederik: Yeah, that's why it is typically a better idea to use cp or cat as they change the blocksize to more optimal values.
08:51<babilen>(dynamically)
08:52<diederik>babilen: that's what indeed confused me about the example, since the description indicates it would resume copying
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08:58<PaulePanter>Hi. I am trying to analyze a core file (from Evolution) with GDB. I have the debugging symbols installed.
08:59<PaulePanter>`list` does not print source line though.
08:59<PaulePanter>So I guess the source is missing. Is there a way in Debian to get the source by installing a package?
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09:01<dust>is there sh , ash, csh? its only linked to bash
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09:47<diederik>Thanks guys/gals! I now have an USB stick exactly as I want it :-)
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10:10<TobiX>dust: There are packages for dash (Debian ash) and csh. What are you looking for?
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10:12<TobiX>PaulePanter: No. The -dbg packages "only" provide debugging information, to get source file infos in, e.g. backtraces (try "bt" in gdb). If you need the full source, you have to "apt-get source" it
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10:14<Guest7453>I have a question that is possibly a little stupid. I'm using Mint LMDE and I want to use a video program that I've loved for many years but is only available in a PPA. Is it possible to use a PPA that has frozen updates - done that way primarily for Ubuntu - on Debian?
10:14<Guest7453>The PPA I want to add is http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/getdeb_apps
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10:15<TobiX>Guest7453: Most of the time, PPAs are notcompatible with Debian, since Debian is not Ubuntu
10:15<Guest7453>I understand
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10:16<Guest7453>So there's no way to install a program like that?
10:17<TobiX>Which program would that be?
10:17<Guest7453>I wanted to install umplayer
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10:18<Guest7453>TobiX: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/webupd8/precise/main/base/umplayer
10:18<Guest7453>TobiX: I can't seem to find the actual .deb file for the program
10:18<Guest7453>Or i would install from that
10:18<Guest7453>Oh! LOL
10:18<Guest7453>I found it
10:18<Guest7453>On that page!
10:19<TobiX>Guest7453: ITP is here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658393
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10:20<diederik>what does umplayer have that smplayer doesn't?
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10:21<Guest7453>diederik: I don't know. I've never tried smplayer.
10:21<qinglan>hello
10:21<Guest7453>diederik: What I liked about umplayer was that some of my videos have audio and video that are slightly out of sync. With umplayer i can resync the audio and video using the + and - keys
10:21<diederik>ok. smplayer is my favourite media player (and is available in the debian archives)
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10:22<qinglan>this is the first time for me to use the Xchat
10:22<diederik>smplayer has that too
10:22<Guest7453>diederik: Also Umplayer has the ability to download subtitle files directly from opensubtitles.org
10:22<Guest7453>diederik: Maybe i should try smplayer then. :)
10:23<TobiX>Since both are "just" forntends for mplayer, a-v-sync-correction is in both (since it is a feature of mplayer)
10:23<diederik>give it a try ;-) It also has 'some' integration with opensubtitles.org but don't know how that works
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10:24<ladoga>it works
10:24<Guest7453>diederik: I'll look for it. :)
10:24<Guest7453>diederik: Thanks for the help.
10:25<diederik>yw
10:25<ladoga>i use smplayer's subtitle download feature all the time
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10:26<ladoga>and it supports subtitle upload too
10:26<Guest7453>Cool
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10:31<cypher-neo>diederik: I assume smplayer will be available in the standard repos. So I should be able to find it by opening Synaptic and searching?
10:31<PaulePanter>TobiX: Thanks!
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10:34<electrictriangle>I'm trying to get WINE working on a Wheezy 64-bit derivative, and it needs the 32-bit version of libasound-plugins, but trying to install that breaks some deps, and it fails. Is there any way I can install it?
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10:39<engla>I don't think you need libasound-plugins for wine
10:39<engla>not with wheezy's wine
10:40<electrictriangle>Ah, sorry to confuse, I'm compiling from source.
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10:42<engla>ok it seems libasound2-plugins depends on some libs that are not multiarch in wheezy yet
10:42<engla>(for example libcap2)
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10:42<electrictriangle>Yeah, that's the conclusion I came to... I suppose the only thing to do is install from the Wheezy repos, eh?
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10:43<engla>I use playonlinux to get newer versions of wine
10:43<engla>maybe you can compile it without that lib
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10:44<electrictriangle>It's not required for compilation, but WINE doesn't run properly without it, most apps have no sound at all.
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10:47<engla>ok. I don't recognize that but multiarch + wine etc is pretty fragile
10:47<PaulePanter>,bug 688039
10:47<judd>Sorry, the requested bug was not found.
10:47<PaulePanter>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688039
10:47<PaulePanter>judd: What is the syntax?
10:48<PaulePanter>Anyway, could a Shotwell user please confirm #688039?
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10:51<themill>PaulePanter: yeah, right syntax, but judd only picks up new bugs a few times per day, unfortunately
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10:56<PaulePanter>themill: Understood. Thanks! (I wanted to be cool for once and use the bot. ;-))
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10:58<themill>Yeah, judd probably needs to try to use the bts directly if it can't find the info in its database.
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11:02<ladoga>why apt depends on aptitude (testing)?
11:03<themill>it doesn't?
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11:05<ladoga>themill: true. sorry, for whatever reason aptitude was already installed so upgrading apt wanted to upgrade it too
11:06<ladoga>now removed and all fine :)
11:06<themill>Yes, aptitude and apt-* all use libapt, so they need to be upgraded together
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11:17<munz>hi ... i can not update my system .... i get an error message ! help plz
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11:34<dvst>hi
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11:36<javier_>anyone can point to me the irc channel to talk about wanna-build, buildd, dak ?
11:38<dust>TobiX someone has the problem that it is linked to the other shells
11:39<dust>but he solved it
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11:48<Guest7469>I don't remember the nick... but whoever it was that helped me recover my GRUB... THANK YOU SO MUCH!
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12:33<happyidea>hi
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12:33<happyidea>12e3
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12:38<guillermo>amigos buenas tardes
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16:09<freesoul>slm
16:09<freesoul>hi
16:09<stian>Hi everyone! Hope anyone can help me with a wireless problem.. Cant find any wireless cards :(
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16:10<retrospectacus>stian: what does "lspci -nn|grep -i net" output?
16:11<retrospectacus>stian: there should be a line describing your wireless card. Please paste it here
16:12<stian>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)
16:12<retrospectacus>judd: pciid 168c:002b
16:12<judd>[168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
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16:13<retrospectacus>stian: follow the wiki ^^
16:14<stian>i've followed the guide at: wiki.debian.org/ath9k without luck :/
16:15<retrospectacus>I think you need a bpo kernel too. What's your kernel version? (uname -r)
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16:15<stian>2.6.32-5-amd64
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16:18<stian>retrospectacus: what does a bpo kernel mean?
16:19<retrospectacus>bpo is backports - newer packages, ported to work on squeeze
16:19<retrospectacus>!bpo kernel
16:19<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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16:30<babilen>stian: That adaptor should work fine with the kernel you have right now (at least according to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b) -- How do you check if you "have" that interface? What does "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" give you? (→ http://paste.debian.net )
16:33<stian>ifconfig -a: http://paste.debian.net/190669/
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16:34<stian>iwconfig: http://paste.debian.net/190670/
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16:35<retrospectacus>oh.. yeah it's working perfectly
16:35<babilen>stian: You have a (fully working) wlan0 with the IP 192.168.0.113 and you are connected to the "Stue" wlan -- Why do you think that it is not working?
16:36<stian>babilen: because when i unplug my ethernet cable, i can't get online..
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16:36<retrospectacus>you might end up with a missing default route... reconnecting to the wireless should fix that
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16:37<babilen>stian: How do you configure your wireless? (also: I have to leave for a second)
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16:48<stian>retrospectacus: I can't reconnect, because when i click the network manager it says: "Wireless networks: device not managed!"
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16:49<stian>btw. it worked during the installation.. there i connectet to the network called "stue"
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16:50<retrospectacus>try ''sudo dhclient wlan0''
16:50<retrospectacus>or just reboot without the ethernet
16:50<sney>stian: remove the wlan0 lines from /etc/network/interfaces and try again
16:51<stian>retrospectacus: have tried to reboot.. no luck
16:51<retrospectacus>or that, if you do want to manage wireless through the netowrk manager :)
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16:56<stian>sney: ok, i removed the lines. what do i do now?
16:56<sney>you may need to restart the network-manager service
16:57<stian>tell me how please :p
16:57<sney>a reboot would do it. or 'service network-manager restart' as root
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16:58<stian>did the restart, but still got the "device not managed"..
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17:01<sney>stian: are you sure there's still no mention of wlan0 in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
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17:04<stian>sney: did it again now and now it's working!! Thanks! sney and retrospectacus you guys made my day :)
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17:04<sney>np
17:05<retrospectacus>have a good one
17:05<babilen>stian: I expected as much (hence my question how you configure your network)
17:06<babilen>And: Hooray! \o/
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17:09<babilen>stian: There are just different ways/tools to manage network connections. Due to the fact that you configured your network during the installation it was managed in /etc/network/interfaces -- NetworkManager does not manage those interfaces because it does not want to interfere with what you configured manually. You were most likely confused because you did not know about network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces and assumed that just ...
17:09<babilen>... because NM doesn't see it that it is not working.
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17:55<obsinc>prova
17:56<obsinc>domanda: ma debian è 100% libero?
17:57<retrospectacus>English only here obsinc.
17:57<obsinc>I debian 100% free ?
17:57<abrotman>!dfsg
17:57<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
17:58<retrospectacus>obsinc: debian is Free and free, yes.
17:58<obsinc>100% ? really?
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18:30<siddy>new installl.... do you choose to have a sep /home or integrated?
18:31<abrotman>that's up to you
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18:33<obsinc>Are In debian codec not free?
18:33<daemonkeeper>!free
18:33<dpkg>it has been said that free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>.
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18:35<obsinc>Are in debian any codec that is not open source?
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18:36<daemonkeeper>No.
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18:36<daemonkeeper>Although my definition of "in Debian" may be different than yours.
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18:37<obsinc>sorry for my english
18:37<abrotman>italian easier?
18:37<obsinc>i am italian
18:37<daemonkeeper>This is not related to your English, actually. My point was, that many people may see the non-free archive suite to be part of Debian.
18:38<daemonkeeper>There are (unsurprisingly) non-free codecs.
18:38<sk3llington>non-free source, or do you just mean that you have to pay?
18:38<daemonkeeper>sk3llington: Not conforming to the DFSG, but distributable by Debian.
18:38<daemonkeeper>!dfsg
18:38<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
18:39<sk3llington>oh, okay.
18:39<daemonkeeper>Typically this involves free as in free beer programs.
18:41<sk3llington>oh.
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18:44<jeep>you made him think about beer
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18:44<jeep>is there anything wrong with executing pm-suspend manually ?
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18:48<retrospectacus>shouldn't be... are you having a problem with it?
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18:49<lio>hi
18:49<retrospectacus>it is usually called by hal or the power manager, though I have run it manually from remote login and it worked
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18:50<retrospectacus>jeep: the manual does say Calling them from the command line is also possible, but it is not guaranteed that all programs in your desktop session keep working as expected.
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18:52<jeep>retrospectacus: no problem im using wmaker as my desktop just never suspended before
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18:53<jeep>retrospectacus: it seems to work fine .. however i only did it twice
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21:22<TCW>thats weird... after a resume from s2ram my mouse is inoperable, keyboard works. I have to replug it (it is a wireless logitech mause/keyboard set, so both devices get "repluged" as there is only one cable for both) and then it works again.
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22:46<ex-parrot>hi folks... anyone noticed that the `asterisk' package just released in to the security updates repository for squeeze doesn't seem to load? throws an "WARNING[1870]: loader.c:435 load_dynamic_module: Error loading module 'chan_sip.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/chan_sip.so: undefined symbol: sip_pvt_lock_full" error
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23:15<[option]>hello
23:17<promatic>Hey guys:D
23:17<[option]>just ask how to install virtualbox on debian
23:17<[option]>i try was failed
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23:31<ytalo>ola
23:31<ytalo>alguem?
23:33<ytalo>oii
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23:34<lcabreza>helo
23:42<Screwba>oy
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