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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-24

---Logopened Mon Sep 24 00:00:12 2012
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00:36<i4n>Is it CATURDAY YET?
00:38<i4n>where is the game section on IRC?
00:38<sakax>i dont want to ruin your week but its monday ;)
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00:39<i4n>that sucks!!
00:40<i4n>are you sure?
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00:47<i4n>what img sijv ijfovji 'v
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02:38<pascal>Good morning.
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04:12<thing>hello, after some months i had to use debian-testing, today i noticed that there is no iceowl stand alone package only an extension for icedove..
04:12<thing>why is this happening?
04:15<jm_>check its QA page for clues http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceowl.html
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04:41<engla>thing: that's the way upstream is going
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05:15<transgender>Hi guys, can someone help me with broken packages, pls ? I have Debian stable.
05:19<transgender>I always get the error:
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05:19<transgender>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
05:19<transgender> isc-dhcp-client : Depends: isc-dhcp-common (= 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze6) but 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 is to be installed
05:20<EmleyMoor>transgender: Try marking isc-dhcp-common to be upgraded
05:20<transgender>And I've tried many commands to purge it, still cannot get helped :-( I'd like to repair it than reinstall Debian again...
05:20<EmleyMoor>Er, -client, even
05:20<EmleyMoor>Failing that, put isc-dhcp-common on hold for now
05:21<transgender>In synaptic I tried but agin error with winff. However now I closed synaptic, just beeing in cli, any cli command, pls ? ;-)
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05:23<EmleyMoor>Well, aptitude has a thing for resolving breakages - if you trust aptitude
05:23<transgender>Could you post the command, pls ?
05:24<diederik>transgender: "aptitude versions isc-dhcp-common" does it list squeeze8 version?
05:24<EmleyMoor>... and likewise for -client - that's a -tart
05:24<EmleyMoor>start
05:24<transgender>It pushes
05:24<transgender>p 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3 stable 500
05:24<transgender>i 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 stable
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05:26<EmleyMoor>aptitude versions isc-dhcp-client ?
05:26<diederik>try the following command: "aptitude -s install isc-dhcp-client=4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 isc-dhcp-common=4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8" does it indicate it's going to work?
05:27<transgender>p 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3 stable 500
05:27<transgender>Bd 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze6 100
05:27<transgender>pi 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 stable
05:27<EmleyMoor>transgender: OK, try the command diederik suggests
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05:28<transgender>Ok, didi. It asked me to remove winff and upgrade iscp... Done.
05:29<transgender>But when I commit
05:29<transgender>sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
05:29<diederik>is it important to keep winff?
05:29<transgender>I get again an error
05:30<transgender>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
05:30<transgender> isc-dhcp-client : Depends: isc-dhcp-common (= 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze6) but 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 is installed
05:30<transgender> winff : Depends: ffmpeg
05:30<transgender> Recommends: winff-doc but it is not installed
05:30<transgender>E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
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05:30<EmleyMoor>transgender: You haven't actually done the needful
05:30<diederik>transgender: now try the same command as before without the -s parameter (-s = simulate)
05:30<transgender>AFAIK ffmpeg is gonna be ot in the next version due avconv, I don't need winff at all :)
05:32<transgender>I did it but a long list of errors appeared again, I just post the end of it:
05:32<transgender>Errors were encountered while processing:
05:32<transgender> libcdio-cdda0
05:33<transgender> libavdevice53
05:33<transgender> libcdio-paranoia0
05:33<transgender> libmozjs15d
05:33<diederik>!tell transgender about pastebin
05:33<transgender> libtirpc1
05:33<transgender> libavfilter2
05:33<transgender> xulrunner-15.0
05:33<transgender>oops, sorry forget pastebin ;-)
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05:34<devil>transgender: and please post complete output, not what you think is important
05:35<diederik>transgender: also pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
05:35<transgender>http://pastebin.com/NTk0jpcT
05:37<transgender>sources.list is here: http://pastebin.com/Z0DR6dbH
05:39<diederik>Follow dpkg's advice: "aptitude reinstall winff"
05:40<diederik>line 28-30 of your pastebin
05:41<transgender>It asks me a question, I'd ask you rather too :) http://pastebin.com/FjXv3xCD
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05:42<transgender>Shall I commit Y ?
05:42<diederik>say no for now, let's see what other suggestions aptitude has
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05:43<transgender>ok
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05:43<transgender>http://pastebin.com/pnNVcuiS
05:46<transgender>So shall I now commit Y or N ?
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05:52<diederik>keep saying no until you'll get a solution which removes the least amount of pkgs
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05:53<transgender>ok
05:53<diederik>if it doesn't come up with an appropriate solution, respond with 'q' (quit), start over and say yes to the first one. Those pkgs can be reinstalled later on
05:55<transgender>After some N I got this suggestions (just 3 lines ;-)
05:55<transgender>Downgrade the following packages:
05:55<transgender>2) isc-dhcp-client [4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze6 (now) -> 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3 (stable)]
05:55<transgender>3) isc-dhcp-common [4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8 (now, stable) -> 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3 (stable)]
05:56<diederik>sounds like a good one ;)
05:56<transgender>Ok, I'll try it because I don't want to reinstall all the system again... :-|
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05:57<transgender>I'm afraid it didn't helped... :-(
05:58<transgender>I started again with keepin N...
05:58<diederik>There are a number of issues which need to be resolved one by one, so it'll take a number of steps
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06:03<transgender>Still getting the errors :-( http://pastebin.com/phX7UVWj
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06:04<diederik>the output doesn't look like you tried to reinstall winff
06:06<diederik>it's important to follow dpkg's advice (even though reinstalling winff seems counter-intuitive)
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06:09<transgender>Lately I got: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
06:10<transgender>I just wonder why the winff cannot be forcely uninstalled...
06:10<diederik>"Package is in a very bad inconsistent state"
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06:12<transgender>Yep, I just read it and it suggest to reinstall...
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06:15<transgender>Wouldn't eb easier to purge the whole X (KDE) and install it from CLI agagin ? ;-)
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06:15<transgender>* oops, sorry for typos
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06:16<transgender>It'd me less pain than to reinstall the whole Debian, even if I'll keep /home untouched to preserve /home... What do you think ?
06:16<transgender>*It'd be less pain... ;)
06:16<diederik>probably not. You need to fix the issues first before anything else.
06:17<diederik>reinstalling debian is an option ... but you won't learn anything by it and next time an issue pops up ... reinstall again?
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06:17<transgender>I supposed it's KDE problem so without KDE also the problems would disappear, not ? ;-)
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06:18<diederik>no, you have an issue with winff which is not part of kde
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06:18<transgender>So the winff would remain even beeing without KDE, just having CLI ? :O
06:18<diederik>yes
06:19<transgender>Hmm, that's serious then...
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06:20<transgender>But winff is a GUI of ffmpeg, isn't it ?
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06:21<diederik>afaict it's not very hard to solve, you just need to take it one step at a time and read the error msgs that pop up and follow directions ...
06:21<diederik>dpkg is trying to be as helpful as it can be, use that ;)
06:21<dpkg>diederik: are you smoking crack?
06:21<transgender>I've tried but there are too many combinations/many questions so I feel totally lost :-(
06:21<diederik>lol @ dpkg
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06:22<transgender>dpkg: what ??? :) NO, I do NOT ! OMG LOL
06:22<dpkg>transgender: wish i knew
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06:22<diederik>do "aptitude reinstall winff" and take aptitude's first suggestion (which removes a couple of network related packages)
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06:23<diederik>those packages can be installed again once winff is removed _after a succesful reinstall_
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06:24<transgender>The problem is that then I always end up with this error: http://pastebin.com/r7PzJLw4
06:25<transgender>winff - isn't it a trojan or a virus from M$ crew ? :O
06:25<mkb73>2
06:26<diederik>ok, try this "aptitude install ffmpeg"
06:26<transgender>lol it's incredibly hooked in system...
06:28<transgender>I've tried but again ending up with this error: http://pastebin.com/pbkLhg1G
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06:29<diederik>pastebin "aptitude search ~ahold"
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06:31<transgender>I've got no output...
06:32<diederik>pastebin "df -h"
06:33<transgender>http://pastebin.com/1Jmx5QV6
06:33<babilen>!pastebin.com
06:33<dpkg>pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
06:34<babilen>transgender: You have no space left on / (root)
06:34<diederik>Your / (root) partition is 322M in size and is completely filled
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06:35<transgender>Ooops :O When installing Debian I've been suggested those sizes... :-\
06:35<transgender>So what now, omg...
06:35<Lantizia>Hey, how can I *just* download deb packages (not install) from a specified repo?
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06:36<diederik>In this case, back up your home partition and do a reinstall and make your / (root) partition 5G in size (assuming you'll provide partitions for /usr and /var again)
06:36<babilen>transgender: Resize those partitions -- Luckily you used LVM so it shouldn't be too hard. Do you still have some space left? If not you would have to shrink, say, /home a little and extend / -- Do *not* trust the suggestions by the debian-installer.
06:37<babilen>transgender: Well, or reinstall.
06:37<diederik>transgender: are you familiar with lvresize/pvresize/etc ?
06:38<transgender>Yep, I am on LVM and the Debian is in on whole disk so I suppose just a shrink could help but when shrinking can't I get /home screwed ? I never shrinked on Linux...
06:38<diederik>babilen's suggestion is also an option, but it may be a bit too difficult
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06:39<diederik>ah wait, / is also on lvm, that makes it a bit easier
06:39<erjk>Hi. I am using Debian WHeezy amd64. I have a sound issue. Some sounds in KDE (e.g. emptying the recycling bin) give this long crack. I've also noticed it few times in other places. My sound driver is alsa. When I was using before (4-5 months ago) I haven't had such problems with sound.
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06:40<babilen>transgender: When did you install that box? How much work is it to get it into the state it is in after a new installation? Resizing isn't too hard, but should be done from a live cd and you *might* end up losing data. There are a couple of websites that explain the process (e.g. google for "resize lvm FILESYSTEM" where FILESYSTEM is the filesystem you used)
06:41<babilen>transgender: You mostly end up using tools such as resize2fs, pvresize, pvscan, ..
06:42<transgender>And is it possible to run the Debian DVD disk #1 and install it that way that I could preserve /home untouched (just shrinked) but I don't have another disk to backup /home :-(
06:42<diederik>http://linuxconfig.org/Linux_lvm_-_Logical_Volume_Manager is a rather good one wrt lvm
06:42<bluenemo>i just created a directory called "-p" (without the ") how do i delete that :D
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06:43<diederik>transgender: I think that would work
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06:45<babilen>transgender: yeah -- But you *have* to make sure that you don't format it during the partitioning step. That being said: you don't really have much space left on /usr and /var as well, so redistributing that space might not be enough. I guess that you have to use some space from /home. And fwiw, I would consider it overkill to have separate partitions for anything but /boot, /home and /var on a single disk system.
06:45<Lantizia>I just did a debootstrap of squeeze, it grabbed 116 packages - how did it know which 116 packages to get?
06:45<transgender>I have no experinces wit such (re)installation, btw. So it will be possible to shrink /home when installing Debian again just with the install disk 1 ?
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06:45<diederik>transgender: usb drives of 1TB aren't that expensive. Get one ;)
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06:46<transgender>It might be true but now I cannot get any... :-(
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06:46<babilen>transgender: Another common and good approach is to create say, /home, /usr, /usr/local, /var, ... with quite small sizes which allows you to end up with a lot of unallocated space that you can redistribute later. (growing is much easier than shrinking)
06:46<transgender>So what abot - will be it be possible to shrink /home when installing Debian again just with the install disk 1 ? :-)
06:46<diederik>transgender: the debian installer has an option to resize discs so it is possible
06:47<babilen>diederik: Are you sure that this resizes LVM volume groups and not just partitions?
06:47<transgender>Ok, resizing but will I preserve home without losing current data ? There are 84% used in /home
06:47*babilen never used it for that and doubts that d-i supports that
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06:48<diederik>babilen: not entirely sure, but d-i has quite some support with that
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06:48<diederik>This weekend I've reinstalled my server and used lvm on top of software raid1 and a normal disk, all using d-i
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06:49<transgender>And shrinking now it's not possible when running Debian ? I mean upon a script which would run after reboot... And live system you suggest for an external resizing this disk ?
06:49<diederik>transgender: when you're reinstalling, remove the logical volumes for /tmp /usr and /var and assign all that space to / (root)
06:49<babilen>diederik: As I said: i never used it for resizing volume groups on LVM. I know that it can create those, but would be surprised if it can be used for resizing. That doesn't mean that it cannot be done.
06:49<babilen>bbl
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06:50<diederik>that way you don't have to resize /home
06:51<transgender>diderik: but when I remove those ones where they'll be put then ?
06:51<transgender>They'll be all in / ?
06:51<diederik>it'll all be part of / (root), just not on seperate partitions
06:51<simplesgustavo>Good morning...
06:52<diederik>transgender: so yes, they'll be all in /
06:52<transgender>BTW, I have an older install disk of linux mint 9 LOL I am sure those LVM tools won't be there but maybe they will be able to install ? But which ones ?
06:54<diederik>I'm not sure what that'll do to help. Reinstalling with DVD1 looks like a better option
06:54<transgender>Or I could google them but last question: if I'd choose external shrinking (from a live cd) is it possible to not f.ck out my /home so preserving data ? :-)
06:56<transgender>I know it's possible at classic install but not sure when using LVM...
06:56<diederik>With the right tools it's probably possible. Reinstalling with DVD1 seems a better option
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06:56<erjk_>I am using Debian WHeezy amd64. I have a sound issue. Some sounds in KDE (e.g. emptying the recycling bin) give this long crack. I've also noticed it few times in other places. My sound driver is alsa. When I was using Debian before (4-5 months ago) I haven't had such problems with sound.
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06:57<bluewater>be irish save your data to another medium , just to be sure to be sure to be sure, before doing anything
06:57<diederik>And you don't have to resize /home when you delete the logical volumes for /, /var, /usr and /tmp and create a new one for / using all that space (which is about 12G, which is more then enough)
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06:57<transgender>Ok, danke schon for your patience and help :-) BTW, it'd be good if Debian crew gurus when making next release would force at the install GUI wizard the suggestions that / would be at least 1 GB not so small crap as I have now :D :))
06:58<themill>bluewater: careful, if you start telling Irish jokes, we might be forced to tell some Taswegian jokes...
06:58<transgender>I'll try to remove those ones so hope I'll get it well...
06:58<diederik>yep, the suggested scheme with so few space for / is wrong
06:59<diederik>make sure you don't reformat your /home, just tell it to re-use it
06:59<transgender>Ok, thanks again. When I'll be lucky, I'' come back to say thanks, all is done well :)
06:59<ectospasm>I can't remember the last time I let the installer partition a disk for me...
06:59<diederik>(and mount it to /home again)
06:59<diederik>good luck!
06:59<ectospasm>...maybe on some machines I was building for someone else...
06:59<transgender>Thanks, see you later.
07:00<ectospasm>I'll repeat what bluewater said: backups! backups! backups!
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07:00<ectospasm>transgender: ^
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07:01<diederik>transgender: choose the manual partition option (not the guided one)
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07:01<transgender>Ok.
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07:06<bluewater>themill: hmm 2 heads come to mind,, then again i am running a dual hesd , hehehe
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07:07<bluewater>s/hesd/head
07:07<ectospasm>That's hardly a substitute
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07:18<PaulePanter>Hi. Unfortunately I do not find a description about the format for files in `/usr/share/pam-configs/`.
07:19<PaulePanter>Especially a line break needs to be added after `Session-Final`.
07:19<PaulePanter>http://blog.dailystuff.nl/2012/07/create-home-directory-on-first-login/
07:19<PaulePanter>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/483130
07:19<PaulePanter>Could somebody please point me to some specification.
07:19<PaulePanter>?
07:21<themill>aiui, it's only the pam-auth-update tool that uses those config files
07:21<themill>s/config/profile/
07:21<themill>If you want to change things, you do so in /etc/pam*
07:22<PaulePanter>Alright. I try to follow the Launchpad report, because using startx, consolekit currently does not work.
07:22<PaulePanter>That makes for example network-manager unusable.
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07:23<themill>is that in the debian bts too?
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07:28<themill>PaulePanter: I have a sneaking suspicion that the only documentation for those files is the pam-auth-update source code itself.
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07:38<PaulePanter>themill: Understood. Thanks!
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07:39<PaulePanter>themill: There are several reports.
07:39<PaulePanter>The one mentioning the Ubuntu/Launchpad fix is this one
07:39<PaulePanter>,bug 597937
07:39<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/597937 in consolekit (open, moreinfo): «consolekit: ck-launch-session doesn't set an active/local session anymore (when run as unprivileged user)»; severity: important; opened: 2010-09-24; last modified: 2012-06-30.
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07:44<PaulePanter>It looks like, Debian’s default is to generate 2048-bit-length SSH keys. Should that be increased to 4096?
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07:46<SynrG>computationally expensive. doesn't make sense for less capable devices
07:46<SynrG>what is upstream's default? if it is 2048, why should debian's default be different?
07:47*themill suspects ssh and ssl maintainers will be very cautious about changing upstream defaults...
07:47<PaulePanter>I see. You are right, the maintainers probably know what to do.
07:47<themill>.o0( DSA-1571, DSA-1574 )
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07:48<SynrG>not that you shouldn't question maintainers' decisions. by all means do ... just make sure you have a good argument
07:48<themill>I think the fact that I remember the DSA numbers over 4 years later says it all.
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07:50<PaulePanter>themill: Impressive.
07:50<themill>actually, it was 1576 for openssh
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07:51<PaulePanter>SynrG: By the way, thank you for the Debian EeePC project!
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07:51<PaulePanter>SynrG, themill: And your work, help and support in general!
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08:01<arucreid>witam
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08:05<SynrG>PaulePanter: you're welcome. it is, of course, a group effort ... if you want to give back to that project, it sadly has not seen much motion in recent years
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08:14<Carry>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata
08:14<Carry>deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
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08:14<Carry>space with / squeeze/ ?
08:14<abrotman>eys
08:15<abrotman>yes
08:15<Carry>no mistake?
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08:15<abrotman>are you having a problem with it ?
08:16<Carry>abrotman: was reading...
08:17<xupicor>Carry: looks ok to me
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08:18<Carry>xupicor: abrotman thanks :)
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08:24<arucreid>hello everyone
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08:25<arucreid>what is the main topic today?
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08:30<devil>arucreid: it's a support channel
08:32<Lantizia>What exactly is the 'base' system... i.e. an installation of debian without any task from tasksel (not even standard) - where are the packages needed for 'base' defined?
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08:33<Lantizia>yeah I know they're tagged important and required... but is that what the netinst does?! runs around installing _ALL_ important/required packages and that is base?
08:34<Ahmed>Hello
08:34<Ahmed>Iftop is showing me some random connections to random websites
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08:35<abrotman>so?
08:36<Ahmed>I think I'm being used as proxy
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08:36<Ahmed>since these sites look like someone's daily browsing activity
08:36<abrotman>i blame the ad networks and tracking imgaes!
08:36<SynrG>Ahmed: "lsof -i" might be interesting
08:38<SynrG>chkrootkit or rkhunter may be of some use here, as well.
08:38<Ahmed>SynrG: What does that do exactly?
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08:40<SynrG>lsof -i? lists processes that have internet connections open. it's just a bit more informative than netstat
08:41<Ahmed>Oh, I see
08:41<SynrG>the other two are packages to look for possible rootkits (though be aware that they may give false positives! read the README.Debian files of each)
08:41<Ahmed>Is there something that can show me which ports are being used to connect to what?
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08:42<SynrG>Ahmed: what, exactly, do you mean by that? both netstat and "lsof -i" show you both the local and remote address+port
08:43<Ahmed>Umm, well, in iftop it only shows me which sites I'm connecting to and how much data I'm sending and receiving
08:43<Ahmed>when I used netstat I kinda got confused
08:43<SynrG>just try the commands i suggested. *then* ask if you need more help :)
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08:44<SynrG>btw, i am assuming this is on debian squeeze. is that correct?
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08:45<Ahmed>Umm, it's actually LMDE
08:45<SynrG>!lmde
08:45<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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08:45<SynrG>so you should go there for followup.
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08:46<Ahmed>Those guys aren't, umm, how can I say this, not 'as' helpful?
08:46<SynrG>in particular, each distro is concerned/familiar with its own security issues. we can't say what changes they've made to the debian base, so ...
08:46<SynrG>(and security issues aside, we only provide support for debian, not its derivatives. sorry)
08:47<SynrG>if you're happier with debian's support, why not run debian instead of LMDE?
08:47<SynrG>then we can provide support
08:47<Ahmed>Umm, I tried to at first
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08:48<Ahmed>but the only iso I was able to afford using my limited data was the one without GUI
08:48<Ahmed>and back then
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08:48<Ahmed>I didn't know how to install the GUI
08:48<Ahmed>Or DE
08:49<Ahmed>So I went with LMDE since my mind was pleased seeing the windows and icons where it said download
08:49<Ahmed>o_
08:49<Ahmed>o_o
08:49<Ahmed>I'm planning on switching as soon as I can though
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08:50<Ahmed>but with this data consumption I'm having because of the proxy issue
08:50<Ahmed>that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon
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08:59<SynrG>Ahmed: regarding installing a gui on debian, even if you had installed only a base system (perhaps due to failure to configure the network during install?) it's possible to install with a gui afterwards.
09:00<Ahmed>Yeah, I know that now
09:00<SynrG>Ahmed: if you have network problems, you may wish to reinstall with the 1st CD (or 1st DVD) of the standard set
09:00<SynrG>the netinst in squeeze is incapable of doing WPA
09:00<SynrG>so if you're installing over wireless you may have problems
09:00<Ahmed>The problem back then was me not having even one clue
09:01<Ahmed>now I'm kind of short on data
09:01<SynrG>and if your problem is that your system is now compromised, it may present an ideal opportunity to reinstall :)
09:01<Ahmed>I'm starting to consider that, really
09:02<Ahmed>but to do that I'll be needing to download the 4gb dvd?
09:02<Ahmed>I'm on 15 gbs per month
09:02<Ahmed>really won't work out
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09:02<Ahmed>my country is quite shitty when it comes to isps
09:02<babilen>Ahmed: Which desktop environment do you want to use and on what kind of hardware are you installing? (e.g. Paste the output of "lspci -n" *and* "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net )
09:03<babilen>Oh and: How do you connect to the internet? (can you use ethernet or do you have to connect via wireless?)
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09:04<Ahmed>I'm always on ethernet
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09:05<babilen>Ahmed: Ok -- Which desktop environment (if at all) do you plan to use and on what kind of hardware are you installing? (cpu, ram, lspci [-n|-nn]. ...)
09:05<Ahmed>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7b9b7cda/
09:06<Ahmed>that's the pasting you told me to do
09:06<Ahmed>and I'd like to use the Gnome 2 fork called Mate
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09:06<Ahmed>I tried Gnome 3, KDE, XFCE, OpenBox
09:06<babilen>Ahmed: mate has not been packaged for Debian, but Gnome2 is still in Squeeze (Debian stable)
09:07<babilen>s/still//
09:07<Ahmed>I though I can download it from outside the repos
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09:07<Ahmed>thought*
09:08<SynrG>in that case, we cannot provide support where MATE is concerned, as it is third-party, so you're only nominally better off than you are now
09:08<Ahmed>:(
09:08<Ahmed>But I love mate
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09:08<SynrG>it is the gateway drug to obsolescence
09:09<SynrG>i suggest you wean yourself off it
09:09<MykX>ayuda con esto <Error de GPG: http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing InRelease: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron verificar porque su llave pública no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907> lo borro de ¿sources.list?
09:10<babilen>Ahmed: That wouldn't be supported by us and I wouldn't recommend to do it. If you plan to use Squeeze (stable) I would suggest to: 1. Use the original Gnome2 2. Use the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) 3. Upgrade Xorg from backports ("/msg dpkg bdo", "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" 4. Run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree"
09:11*Ahmed scratches his head
09:11<babilen>Ahmed: If you want to use testing/unstable: Well, in this case you can use the beta installer, but there is no way you can use MATE. I would strongly suggest to either choose a different desktop environment (e.g. XFCE, LXDE, ...) or a different distribution if you *really* need MATE. The latter would mean that you can't get support here and is probably not the wisest decision as I am not convinced that MATE will be well-maintained for years to come.
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09:12<Ahmed>Okay
09:12<Ahmed>I'll try Gnome 2 instead
09:12<Ahmed>:(
09:12<babilen>(you can naturally use squeeze with a different desktop environment as well. See, for example, "/msg dpkg install xfce" for details)
09:13<Ahmed>Thanks for your time, guys
09:13<babilen>Ahmed: Just make sure that you use the kmuto (/msg dpkg kmuto) installer as you need a newer kernel and firmware for your Radeon card.
09:13<SynrG>i will second what babilen said. i am unimpressed by reports about the technical solidity of MATE, and besides which I think it is a doomed enterprise because GNOME2 is too big for a small development team to take on as a fork all on their own.
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09:13<babilen>exactly
09:14<Ahmed>But they were able to win me over, I can't seem to get my trackpad to scroll horizontally on any other DE
09:15<Ahmed>neither was I able to get double tapping to work
09:15<SynrG>i bet we can make it work. but first you need to install debian.
09:15<babilen>Ahmed: To be honest: If I were you right now I would either use Gnome3 or an alternative (XFCE, LXDE, ..., fluxbox, awesomewm, i3, ...)
09:15<SynrG>these things are disabled by default and are configurable via synclient
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09:15<Ahmed>I didn't like Gnome3 at all
09:16<babilen>(or with a small configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ - but more about that later once you run Debian)
09:16<SynrG>right
09:16<Ahmed>Yeah, I'm quite convinced at this point
09:16<babilen>Ahmed: That's ok. I just don't think that it makes sense to start using Gnome2 right now if you *already* know that you don't want to use Gnome3 in the future.
09:17*SynrG nods
09:17<SynrG>and if you rejected the other choices because you couldn't get "feature X" to work (where said feature doesn't even need a desktop-specific solution ...)
09:17<babilen>Things *might* look differently in, say, two years but I don't necessarily think that they would.
09:17<SynrG>then there is reason to re-examine the alternatives
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09:18<Ahmed>But XFCE is more seemed more similar to Mate and Gnome 2 than Gnome 3 did
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09:18<SynrG>right. so if you like the general look-and-feel, then install XFCE
09:18<babilen>Absolutely -- A lot of people who dislike Gnome3 migrated to XFCE. I would give that a second chance and we can help you to deal with your problems and little quirks.
09:18<SynrG>then we'll solve your touchpad issue on that.
09:18<Ahmed>Yep, will do that
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09:19<Silence->I did not like XFCE.
09:19<Silence->LXDE + openbox is quite nice.
09:19<Ahmed>I'm copying my files to my thumb drive right now
09:19<Silence->Or fluxbox.
09:19<SynrG>LXDE is nice, but even more minimal than XFCE, so not quite a drop-in replacement for GNOME2
09:19<Silence->SynrG: Minimalism is win, imo.
09:19<Silence->Developers these days are spoiled with memory.
09:19<Silence->So they do not seem to make their code as optimized as possible.
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09:19<Silence->That is a flaw, imo.
09:19<george1>I switched to fluxbox and I am happy :)
09:20<SynrG>it means being comfortable with less tappy-clicky ... more config files
09:20<SynrG>call it a gut feeling, but i think Ahmed will be happier with XFCE
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09:20<Silence->george1: Flux is heaven. It's one of those systems where you really cant think of anything they could improve for the next version. It's already blazing fast and stable.
09:20<Ahmed>I did use XFCE, only complaint is the panels, which can be replaced, right?
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09:21<SynrG>Silence-: just so you know, i'm a strong backer of LXDE, involved in the debian team, etc.
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09:21<SynrG>i have less experience with XFCE, but enough to know it's closer to GNOME2 than LXDE is
09:22<Silence->SynrG: Oh, I wasnt comparing it to something else.
09:22<SynrG>so is probably a better recommendation for someone hooked on MATE
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09:22<Silence->I was just comparing XFCE and LXDE from my own perspective.
09:22<SynrG>ok. if it isn't related to this support discussion, it probably goes on #debian-offtopic :)
09:24<SynrG>Ahmed: as for panels, my impression of XFCE is that it works best when you use all their components. that being said, i imagine you can mix-and-match somewhat
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09:24<SynrG>Ahmed: if you want an expert opinion on that, check their doc. they also have their own support channel over on freenode
09:24<SynrG>!tell Ahmed about xfce
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09:25<Ahmed>I'll just install the GUI-less iso I have for now
09:25<Ahmed>and maybe install two DEs later
09:25<SynrG>just in case it *does* appeal to you, look at LXDE
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09:26<SynrG>if you don't like XFCE out of the box, LXDE may be more appealing and i didn't see it on the list of things you had tried
09:26<Ahmed>I'll install xfce and lxde both
09:26<SynrG>be aware that configuration may be more configuration-file-centred
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09:27<Ahmed>I'll just take it one step at a time and install the OS first
09:27*SynrG nods
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09:30<Ahmed>SynrG: I faced problems setting up my DHCP settings last time
09:31<Ahmed>Is there a way I can copy the entries so I can put them in during the installation?
09:31<Ahmed>or something of that sort
09:35<SynrG>if you know your network has functional DHCP, then it may be that the old kernel in squeeze had issues with your network card ...
09:35<SynrG>if that's the case, then you should not have issues using kmuto's installer as babilen recommended
09:35<SynrG>but yes, you can fall back to manually configuring your network if absolutely necessary
09:35<Ahmed>Umm, I'm using the same iso I used last time
09:36<SynrG>that assumes you know all of the necessary things: fixed ip#, netmask, gateway, nameservers
09:36<Ahmed>since I can't download a new one
09:36<Ahmed>Yeah, I'm asking how to find out...
09:36<Ahmed>Is it hard?
09:37<SynrG>,pciids 11ab:4353
09:37<SynrG>blast
09:37<SynrG>,pciid 11ab:4353
09:37<judd>[11ab:4353] is '88E8039 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4353 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2
09:38<SynrG>huh, that *should* work without kmuto's installer, then
09:38<Ahmed>I am lost o_o
09:38<SynrG>i was just asking judd (bot) about support for your ethernet card (pci id# obtained from your paste earlier)
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09:39<Ahmed>Yes, but the Graphic installer told me that it failed to configure and I need to configure manually
09:39<Ahmed>I'll have my other computer either way
09:40<Ahmed>so I'll just ask for help here
09:40<SynrG>the wiki.debian.org article claims it is supported by the squeeze kernel.
09:40<SynrG>(the ethernet card, i mean)
09:40<Ahmed>Maybe something else is the problem?
09:40<Ahmed>maybe my router?
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09:40<SynrG>your other machine automatically configures IP# successfully?
09:41<Ahmed>On Windows it does, also on LMDE
09:41<Ahmed>But not in the Debian installer
09:41<babilen>SynrG: Ahmed needs a newer kernel for his radeon card anyway, which is why I suggested the kmuto installer. It looks as if Ahmed can't really download the installer (~200MB) + basic system though, which complicates this.
09:41<SynrG>it would be useful to see error output
09:41<SynrG>babilen: i know. between a rock and a hard place :p
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09:41<babilen>indeed
09:42<Ahmed>FeelsBadMan.jpg
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09:43<SynrG>Ahmed: as for IP# details, well ... it feels more like "network is entirely broken" than just "DHCP is broken" ...
09:44<SynrG>in which case a static IP# configuration may not be any better
09:44<SynrG>that being said, check the IP# configuration details for your current system(s) to determine details
09:45<SynrG>copy those down, choose an IP# that matches your network configuration ...
09:45<SynrG>and enter manually when you get to that point in the installer
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09:46<SynrG>that is, on linux: "ifconfig eth0" and note the inet addr, Bcast and Mask values
09:46<SynrG>also note the contents of /etc/resolv.conf (should have a "nameserver" entry pointing at your nameserver)
09:47<SynrG>you could use the same IP# of your current LMDE install if you're just replacing the whole system
09:48<Ahmed>umm, Imma show you a screen shot
09:48<Ahmed>http://i.imgur.com/4j4o6.png
09:49<SynrG>good. so everything in the "ipv4" section is relevant
09:49<SynrG>when you do manual configuration in the installer, you will be asked for these things
09:50<Ahmed>Oh, good
09:50<SynrG>i am noticing something though ...
09:50<SynrG>this says eth1. i guess you have an eth0 as well?
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09:50<SynrG>it may be that the installer mis-identified eth0 as your primary interface whereas in fact it was not plugged in
09:50<Ahmed>eth0?
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09:51<Ahmed>Keep in mind that I'm below noob level
09:51<SynrG>do you have an integrated ethernet port on your motherboard plus a card?
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09:51<Ahmed>It's a laptop
09:51<Ahmed>so I guess yes
09:52<SynrG>hm, i guess probably no
09:52<SynrG>a laptop would normally only have a single ethernet port
09:52<Ahmed>Yep
09:52<Ahmed>it has one
09:53<SynrG>i wonder if the wireless is identified as eth0, then
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09:53<SynrG>maybe the installer prompted you to select an interface and you selected the wrong one?
09:54<Ahmed>I have absolutely no idea
09:54<Ahmed>but I'm done backing up my files
09:54<arucreid>Ahmed: what is a problem?
09:54<Ahmed>so I can start the install now
09:54<Ahmed>maybe it won't show the error this time
09:54<SynrG>arucreid: he's on LMDE, preparing to re-do a debian install. last time he did a debian install, the network didn't work.
09:55<Ahmed>Couldn't of said it any bette
09:55<Ahmed>better*
09:56<arucreid>ok, are you sure that drivers are compatibility with your network card?
09:56<arucreid>does your OS recognize your device?
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09:57<Ahmed>LMDE had the network running from start
09:57<Ahmed>Dunno if that helps
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09:57<SynrG>that's not necessarily relevant
09:57<Ahmed>Guess it doesn't
09:57<SynrG>arucreid: dunno if you were around for it. scroll back to the compatibility check i did on his pciid above
09:57<SynrG>uses sky2. should be ok.
09:58<SynrG>http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 claims compatibility with squeeze
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10:38<redbrain>when you run debuild -S -k<some key>
10:38<redbrain>is there a way to pass the password
10:38<redbrain>so you dont have to enter it
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10:49<transgender>Hi guys :-)
10:50<diederik>still have your /home ?
10:51<transgender>Hi, I'm back, blow out /tmp /var /usr and /home stayed ok, almost unchanged :D
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10:51<transgender>Thanks again for help ! ;-)
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10:51<diederik>nice!
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10:52<transgender>Wanna see my new "df -h" ? LOL
10:52<diederik>bring it on :-P
10:54<transgender>http://pastebin.com/tvPncxPj
10:54<transgender>I had a hw problem with disk. When I'll buy new one I'll install it again...
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10:55<transgender>But ig you are so guru I could ask you for such problem I had some month ago...
10:55<diederik>excellent. Also if you can, buy an usb drive which you can use for backups
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10:56<transgender>When I wanted re-install Debian 6 with LVM+crypto, I couldn't because I wasn't able open my crypto disk during the installation (in fact before when the GUI wizard with disk resizing appeared :-(
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10:57<diederik>I'm no guru, just a happy debian user for a number of years now
10:58<diederik>It was just this weekend that I changed my lvm config from CLI, before that I'd only done it using the installer ;)
10:59<diederik>Haven't played with crypto yet, so probably can't help you with that
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11:01<transgender>The problem is that when GUI install wizzard is running in 8 console you can switch to console 1 and try to commit "cryptosetup luksOpen etc" but the commans is not found, probably not yed copied from CD but when it is possible to run that, the wizzard in 8 console alread appeared with the screen of question which disk use or where to install. So technically it's not possible to open it...
11:01<transgender>...quickly or there must be other way... :-|
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11:05<transgender>That's why I have chose just LVM not crypto because I'd have to screwed my /home and everything when reinstalling :-(
11:06<transgender>Or when I open the crypto disk then continue with installation but by CLI not wizzard...
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11:08<diederik>sorry, can't help you with that
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11:10<transgender>Never mind, I'll try to post it to debian forum and suggest to add the GUI support for opening cryptosetup or put down any know-how how to reinstall Debian on LUKS + LVM disk...
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11:14<transgender>Debian is cool, just I am dumb ass and not able to use up all its power... ;-)
11:16<TobiX>transgender: Did you use expert mode?
11:16<transgender>Hi Tobix, when you mean, when had problem with crypto+LVM ?
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11:17<TobiX>transgender: The debian installer has an expert mode, where it is possible to pause aufter each step
11:18<transgender>I mostly use graphic installation. I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to use expert mode... :-\
11:19<transgender>But btw do u have experiences with "reinstallation" system on LUKS + LVM ?
11:19<diederik>expert install is available in gui and non-gui mode
11:20<transgender>But, as the label says, it's for experts only, right ? :D
11:20<SynrG>also, graphical vs. non is a false sense of security. the same functionality is exposed in each. personally, i find them equally easy to use.
11:20<SynrG>one is just prettier than the other
11:20<TobiX>transgender: You probably need expert mode to use the existing crypto container
11:21*diederik agrees with SynrG
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11:22<SynrG>most people think "gui vs. commandline" but that's not what the non-graphical install is about. it still guides you through a menu, just like the gui
11:22<diederik>transgender: when you have more hdd space, install virtualbox (or sth) and play with the installer in a virtual machine.
11:23<transgender>Well, it depends on when the command is ready to use... As I typed the gui installer was running in the other console, I switched to #1 and typing command. Command wasn't accepted yet and when it already was, in the same time the GUI wizzard made the disk selection offer, so finally it didn't see that I already opened the LUKS disk and suggested me just new installation :-(
11:23<TobiX>transgender: The installer does not like if you work around his back
11:23<transgender>LOL
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11:24<SynrG>which is another way of saying "the installer tracks the state of your machine in its own way; its 'intelligence' in dealing with what to do in the next step is based on that state"
11:24<TobiX>transgender: I'm prety sure there is an option to use the existing crypto container in a new installation, but it may not be visible in "simple" mode, therefore my suggestion to try "expert" mode
11:24<SynrG>so yes, it will appear quite stupid if you go behind its back and do a step out of order
11:25<SynrG>in contrast, when using 'expert' mode, that will maintain the state for you properly for each step performed.
11:25<transgender>LOL but I wanted to open the container so wizzard could see that a LUKS disk is open already... :)
11:26<SynrG>i'm sure *you* knew what you were doing. it does not necessarily follow that the installer knew your intentions :)
11:26<transgender>I'll try to fight with that in VirtualBox :)
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11:29<transgender>Ok guys, I have to go now. Thanks for tips, I'll refer later if I did it ;-) Have a nice day !
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11:36<Lantizia>Is it possible to boot debian off CD (text mode, no GUI) and use debian-installer to install to a hdd? (but also use debian-installer with no GUI... basically run it cmd line only - with all answers already given to it)
11:37<@Ganneff>thats called preseeding
11:37<@Ganneff>!preseed
11:37<dpkg>[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>.
11:37<Lantizia>Ganneff, right but can it be done while preventing debian-installer from reformatting the screen what so ever?
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11:38<Lantizia>i.e. totally silent - i can run it inside another script
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11:38<@Ganneff>i dont think so, not with standard d-i.
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11:39<Lantizia>Ganneff, i would use debootstrap to install to hdd - but it'll miss a whack of useful packages like localisation, acpi, grub, etc
11:39<Lantizia>not to mention the kernel itself
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11:41<themill>debootstrap can install extra packages for you too. There's also liw's vmdebootstrap
11:42<Lantizia>themill, right but debootstrap doesn't know what extra packages to install like d-i does
11:42<themill>*shrug*
11:43<themill>feel free to tell it
11:43<Lantizia>like e.g. if i tell d-i i'm british then it installs the wbritish package
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11:49<Lantizia>themill, http://lantizia.me.uk/compare.pdf
11:49<Lantizia>sorry had to be pdf - it's because it's a spreadsheet ... you can see the netinst installs a lot more
11:49<Lantizia>stuff debootstrap would miss
11:50<Lantizia>although I've noticed that 4 packages are missing from important/required that should be
11:50<Lantizia>debootstrap thankfully checks for dependancies anyway
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11:52<@Ganneff>Lantizia: so you either go and teach your debootstrap about it (or run a script later that does the needed install) or you live with d-i doing some output
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11:55<themill>(a fully automated install could perhaps use something called "fully automatic installation")
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11:58<TobiX>Lantizia: Maybe take a look at multistrap? http://wiki.debian.org/Multistrap
11:58<SynrG>Lantizia: another approach is live-build, but that gives you a different end-product
11:58<SynrG>Lantizia: depending on your use case, however, it may be suitable
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13:00<Aaron>LOL
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13:38<jaredcastillo>hi
13:39<retrospectacus>hey
13:39<jaredcastillo>hi, i need some help please
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13:40<jaredcastillo>i'm usign debian wheezy
13:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 525] by debhelper
13:40<retrospectacus>!ask
13:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:40<jaredcastillo>ok, thanks
13:41<jaredcastillo>my problem is the next
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13:41<jaredcastillo>i have installed debian with kde and when i need to connect to wifi the system frozen
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13:44<jaredcastillo>and the next start the same problem, i had to uninstall network-manager and connect to internet with network cable
13:45<jaredcastillo>and i can work but wifi doesn't work
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14:02<siddy>anyone have advice for a word processing program? I usually use libreoffice... switched from openoffice... any thoughts?
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14:03<siddy>which has a lot of templates/extensions?
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14:04<jaredcastillo>i use libreoffice and i love it
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14:04<retrospectacus>me too
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14:05<siddy>what version?
14:06<siddy>3.5 is in repos but they're now at 3.6?
14:06<jaredcastillo>3.5
14:06<towo`>in exp is LO 3.6.2
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14:08<siddy>yeah, I am wondering if it's worth it to use experimental ver.
14:08<AlexLikeRock>no, problems, only with frameworks on .DOCX
14:08<siddy>should be ok, right?
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14:08<siddy>oh
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14:09<jaredcastillo>yeah with the frameworks on .docx is the problem but is not worry
14:10<retrospectacus>it might be ok, but "worth it"? What benefit does it have? The old one works on .docx for sure
14:10<siddy>apt-get -t experimental install libreoffice?
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14:10<AlexLikeRock>and power point they have some problem with Micro$oft 2007
14:11<retrospectacus>siddy: but why?
14:12<siddy>http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-6-new-features-and-fixes/
14:13<siddy>I don't know... thought maybe some new features or fixes
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14:13<siddy>I could install 3.5 and always remove it later if I want to try 3.6, right?
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14:13<siddy>3.5 is probably good enough for now... I guess
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14:14<siddy>abiword is not good enough... for what i was trying ;)
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14:15<siddy>it doesn't save in the event of a crash either
14:15<retrospectacus>I still have openoffice 3.2 here apparently. Whatever, it works great so why change
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14:33<Guest8099>ola
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15:05<bowzer>Hi, may I ask a noob irc question ? How can I search the channel list without using the list command ? /squery alis doesnt work
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15:09<articolo11>batman
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15:10<articolo11>batman
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15:11<articolo11>come si scarica
15:12<articolo11>salve a tutti
15:12<articolo11>come si fa a scaricare
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15:14<maria>Ola
15:14<articolo11>ciaao
15:14<articolo11>scusa che per caso sai come si scarica la roba
15:14<AlexLikeRock>hola
15:14<articolo11>film
15:14<AlexLikeRock>, q pasa maria ?
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15:14<maria>nada
15:14<maria>y tu
15:14<maria>?
15:15<articolo11>grazie
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15:16<ansgar>!it
15:16<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:16<abrotman>uhm ...
15:16<maria>...
15:17<abrotman>maria: english here
15:17<maria>no
15:17<maria>i spanish
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15:17<abrotman>maria: this channel is english only, try #debian-es
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15:27<davide>list
15:27<Ahmed>Abrotman, is there a debian-ar channel?
15:27<davide>!list
15:27<dpkg>davide: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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15:28<davide>?list
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15:28<abrotman>Ahmed: Argentina ?
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15:29<AlexLikeRock>ahemed ; no body there on #debian-ar
15:29<Ahmed>Arabic
15:29<AlexLikeRock>go to #debian-es
15:29<abrotman>ah, we used to have #debian-ur for Urdu, not sure if that's similar, but i don't htink it exists anymore
15:29<Ahmed>Oh well
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15:30<Ahmed>Not enough Arabs comes here, I guess
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15:30<abrotman>Ahmed: we get a fair number, but they don't tend to stick around long enough to form a community
15:30<abrotman>Ahmed: they show up, get their answers, go away
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15:31<Ahmed>I see
15:31<Ahmed>shame
15:31<Ahmed>I'll try to stick around
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15:35<Ahmed>How large do you guys think xfce4's file size is?
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15:40<grusemil>hi
15:40<grusemil> please install the linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 package to fix this
15:40<grusemil> please install the linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 package to fix this.
15:40<grusemil>is this correct ?
15:41<grusemil>sudo apt-get install -t squeeze linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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15:42<diederik>probably not bpo = backport, then you probably need "-t squeeze-backports"
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15:43<blubberdiblub>and the number after .bpo. is wrong. it should probably read 3 as well
15:44<abrotman>Ahmed: if you're willing to stick around, and try to create that community ...
15:44<diederik>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
15:44<grusemil>http://paste.debian.net/192631/
15:45<grusemil>http://carlo-hamalainen.net/blog/2012/05/ - following this tutorial
15:45<grusemil>guy says 2 instead of 3
15:45<blubberdiblub>but the error message is clearly asking for 3
15:46<diederik>the error message is right ;)
15:46<blubberdiblub>the tutorial is probably outdated
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15:47<diederik>and wrong ...
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15:48<grusemil>So, what is the correct procedure ? sudo apt-get install -t squeeze linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 ?
15:48<diederik>bpo and "-t squeeze" isn't correct
15:48<diederik>see my first reply
15:50<diederik>also see /etc/apt/sources.list it says "squeeze-backports". When using -t you should take the value at that part of the line
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15:50<grusemil>Ok, here's the full: http://paste.debian.net/192632/
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15:50<grusemil>I really don't wanna do something wrong
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15:51<abrotman>grusemil: what are you trying to compile? nvidia drivers?
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15:52<diederik>sudo apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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15:53<diederik>sorry, that's wrong
15:53<grusemil>abrotman: no, wireless. But since that error showed, I want to know if theres something I can do about it
15:53<diederik>sudo apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
15:53<diederik>^^^ this one
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15:56<diederik>another option: sudo apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-headers-amd64
15:56<abrotman>grusemil: what's your wireless card?
15:56<grusemil>abrotman: realtek
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15:58<Pitxyoki>lol
15:58<Pitxyoki>grusemil, are you Portuguese?
15:59<grusemil>Pitxyoki: what that has to do with this problem ?
15:59<Pitxyoki>The log you showed is in Portuguese.
15:59<grusemil>And.. ?
16:00<Pitxyoki>And you're connecting from a Portuguese ISP.
16:00<grusemil>Pitxyoki: you have something usefull to add to my problem ?
16:00<babilen>Lets just drop the discussion about grusemil's nationality (as it really has nothing to do with the problem) or move it to #debian-offtopic.
16:01<diederik>what's the command again to get output in english?
16:01<babilen>!localised errors
16:01<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
16:01<diederik>thanks. grusemil: that would help
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16:10<siddy>heeyyyyyyyyy
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16:13<jaredcastillo>hi i have a problem with network-manager in debian wheezy i can't connect to wifi because the system frozen
16:14<jaredcastillo>hi i have a problem with network-manager in debian wheezy i can't connect to wifi because the system frozen
16:14<jaredcastillo>hi i have a problem with network-manager in debian wheezy i can't connect to wifi because the system frozen
16:14<jaredcastillo>hi i have a problem with network-manager in debian wheezy i can't connect to wifi because the system frozen
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16:21<abrotman>jaredcastillo: do you need help?
16:21<abrotman>oh, nevermind, you are getting help
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16:23<jaredcastillo>yes i need help please
16:24<Guest8108>hallo an alle....
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16:25<Guest8108>nkoc usta buradamisin
16:26<abrotman>jaredcastillo: don't msg me, you're getting help in #debian-next, good luck
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16:26<abrotman>Guest8108: #ubuntu is on irc.freenode.net
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16:42<dondelelcaro>dpkg: status
16:42<dpkg>Since Mon Sep 24 11:05:02 2012, there have been 0 modifications, 22 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 2 commands. I have been awake for 9h 37m 53s this session, and currently reference 39609 factoids. I'm using about 18540 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 19.8/1.47 child 0.01/0.02
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16:56<AlexLikeRock>what recomen to video-call on (MSN messenger)?
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17:08<grusemil>sorry for the big delay, anyways: http://paste.debian.net/192660
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17:10<sney>grusemil, what if you do dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms
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17:13<grusemil>sney: basically what that would do ?
17:13<thedead>Hi all. I'm trying to jail a media streamer with chroot but I always chrooted only simple things (like ssh, bash (strange..yeah...strange), and so on). the streamer in question is in java so i chrooted bash, java and dpkg and i installed the program in the chrooted env. Now i have a doubt: how can i execute it at the boot? I can setup a startup script in rc but i don't know what to write. This streamer will be used as a serv
17:13<thedead>ice and it need to bind a socket and to perform rw operations on the real fs.
17:14<sney>grusemil, it will cause the postinstall script that builds your nvidia module to run again, now that the headers are installed. if you look at the log you will see that it tried to build the module before installing the headers.
17:15<grusemil>sney: okas, makes sense
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17:19<grusemil>http://paste.debian.net/192665/
17:20<grusemil>seems something went wrong again
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17:22<sney>grusemil, can you pastebin the build log it refers to?
17:22<grusemil>but ofc
17:22<grusemil>just a min
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17:24<grusemil>http://paste.debian.net/192667/
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17:25<sney>oh, I see, the 195.x driver is too old. get the 295.x from squeeze-backports and it should build normally
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17:25<sney>assuming your gpu is supported, anyway
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17:33<grusemil>I'm new to debian, how do I know which 295 package us ?
17:33<grusemil>*is
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17:34<avtobiff>grusemil, aptitude show nvidia-kernel-dkms
17:34<avtobiff>grusemil, see Version
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17:36<avtobiff>grusemil, and you should go to backports.debian.org and check it out
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17:37<grusemil>http://paste.debian.net/192671/
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17:39<babilen>grusemil: Could you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms" along with "uname -a" and "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" please?
17:39<grusemil>this is confusing though
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17:41<sney>grusemil, it'll just be like installing your kernel from backports, but with nvidia-kernel-dkms as the packagename rather than linux-image-3.x.x.x
17:41<babilen>Ah, so backports has been configured correctly? Did you take care of firmware packages too?
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17:41<sney>babilen, all the information you're looking for are in his previous pastes
17:42<babilen>*blush*
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17:42<babilen>Ok, go on then :)
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17:48<grusemil>babilen: as requested, here it is: http://paste.debian.net/192673/
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17:49<babilen>grusemil: Wonderful -- You have duplicate entries in your sources.list and we might want to repair that in time (best paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net) but that isn't a problem right now.
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17:50<babilen>grusemil: You should be able to install the nvidia driver by running "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms" -- Show us the output please :)
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17:50*babilen plays safe here
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17:55<grusemil>http://paste.debian.net/192674/
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17:55<sney>that's normal, just follow its advice
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17:58<grusemil>The whole output: http://paste.debian.net/192675/
17:59<sney>!congratulate grusemil
17:59<dpkg>Huzzah grusemil, you did it!
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18:01<grusemil>I did what ?
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18:02<retrospectacus>upgraded your kernel and video driver. You can reboot into the new kernel now
18:02<retrospectacus>I don't remember what the original problem was
18:03<grusemil>It will prompt in command line isn't that true ?
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18:07<retrospectacus>it, uh... what?
18:07<grusemil>that's was been told me
18:08*retrospectacus has no idea what you're trying to say/ask
18:08<grusemil>man, the system will prompt in command line u may have some difficulties
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18:11*retrospectacus reads what grusemil said 2 more times, reads the paste again, shrugs and goes back to work
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18:16<grusemil>perfect. once again thanks for all the patience
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18:25<BlackDragon42>Hello.
18:25<retrospectacus>hey
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18:36<space_>Hi
18:37<retrospectacus>hi space_
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18:49<grusemil>the wifi is working better on this kernel
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18:49<grusemil>nvidia I don't is weird, some blank sapces sometimes between letters
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19:14<babilen>grusemil: Oh, you probably want to upgrade Xorg too. (/msg dpkg bdo xorg) -- Good night.
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19:21<grusemil>babilen: absolutely right, should grab the xorg backports also. Cheers. I'll check that tomorrow, bit tired. Nice night too.
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19:31<dckx>hi. I had to load the blowfish lkm on my box with modprobe. My question is. Do I have to do this on every reboot? I can't reboot at the moment so I can't try it. If not, how can I load it automatically?
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19:42<retrospectacus>dckx: put it in /etc/modules
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19:43<dckx>retrospectacus: thanks
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20:18<Guest8123>how do you git back track to install
20:19<devil>!bt
20:19<dpkg>[bt] Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>.
20:19<themill>!bt5
20:19<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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20:25<AmarokNelg>:o
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20:38<AmarokNelg>back
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20:43<AmarokNelg>Hmm
20:43<retrospectacus>!ask
20:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:48<AmarokNelg2>Why is there a 2 on my name?
20:50<retrospectacus>you joined twice
20:51<AmarokNelg2>My old one crashed, and wasn't removed?
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20:56<tvictor47>I have a dedicated box i am trying to set up a remote desktop for it with kde. i want to be able to use html5 or flash or what ever to login to the remote desktop vai its own webpage
20:56<tvictor47>what would i use ?
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20:58<AmarokNelg>uhoh
20:58<AmarokNelg>gtg
20:58<AmarokNelg>!bye
20:58<dpkg>Cya, amaroknelg
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21:45<jonataaraujo>hi
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22:11<j-admin>boo
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22:11<j-admin>guess not
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22:14<that_guy>so, if anyone was here the other night when I was complaing about my video driver
22:14<that_guy>I figured it out
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22:14<that_guy>I pulled the driver from testing, which caused hard locks randomly
22:14<that_guy>so did unstable
22:15<that_guy>the expermiental driver's been fine, though
22:16<dvs>yikes! That's a switch. The experimental drivers are stable.
22:16<j-admin>^^
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22:18<that_guy>yeah, it's stil a few versions behind upstream stable
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