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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-26

---Logopened Wed Sep 26 00:00:14 2012
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00:56<talor>there
00:56<sney>hi
00:57<talor>how r u?
00:57<sney>I'm fine. do you have a debian question
00:57<talor>whats dat?
00:57<ectospasm>!ask
00:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
00:58<sney>this channel is a help channel for people using the debian operating system. if you just want to chat, try: /join #moocows
00:58<talor>kk
00:58<talor>thanx
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02:57<notroot>ello poppet
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02:58<notroot>so my box wont boot
02:58<notroot>recently had issues with hard drives powering off while the unit was running
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02:58<notroot>i also may have changed the boot order in the bios. it locks up entirely no keyboard response at all and is at running init boot scripts
02:59<notroot>any ideas?
03:00<notroot>also getting a 5 long 12 short beep on boot sometimes
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03:01<debdog>notroot: for the beeps: check your motherboard's manual, it is an error code
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03:02<notroot>ikr
03:02<notroot>but how about the lockups
03:04<notroot>it gets stuck at Running /scripts/local-premount. \ Done.
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03:04<debdog>maybe a hardware failure (about which you might find out more by looking for the beep error code)
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03:06<notroot>this psu has some issues with power connectors
03:06<notroot>connecters?
03:06<notroot>connectors..
03:07<debdog>issues such as...?
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03:10<Kenneth>good morning everyone
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03:11<Kenneth>anybody home
03:12<notroot>this happened after the hdd powered off
03:12<notroot>what do i do for fs troubles
03:12<notroot>not even sysrq works
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03:12<Kenneth>seems as if we have notroot here
03:13<Kenneth>how are you buddy
03:13<notroot>not so good
03:13<Kenneth>whats so bad?
03:13<notroot>server wont boot
03:14<notroot>IT HAS ALL MY MUSIC
03:14<notroot>:)
03:14<Kenneth>wow thats bad which os do have there
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03:15<Kenneth>I mean the name of your server?
03:16<Kenneth>are you still there notroot?
03:16<notroot>sorry but ive seem to have opened an irc client in the midst of a bg process which is outputing info that destroyed my irc ui
03:16<notroot>sec
03:17<Kenneth>ok
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03:17<Kenneth>did you try creating a new partition on your hdd
03:17<notroot2>now what did you ask
03:17<notroot2>the os has its own disk
03:17<notroot2>its a 250 barracuda
03:18<Kenneth>I am not very good in these things but I am trying to help here
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03:19<Kenneth>now do you have the os and all your files in the same partition?
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03:34<kblin>morning folks
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03:44<notroot2>yo
03:44<notroot2>recovery required on reasonly filesystem
03:44<notroot2>write access will be enabled during recovery
03:44<notroot2>Begin: Loasting essential drivers
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03:44<kblin>my logrotate cron script seems to spew the error "logrotate_script: 12: initctl: not found". I'm not sure what part causes this
03:46<kblin>the doesn't seem to be a "logrotate_script" file on my system
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03:46<kblin>and neither do I have an initctl binary
03:46<kblin>initctl is an upstart thing, afaik, and I don't use that
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03:49<ectospasm>kblin: are you using Ubuntu, or Debian?
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03:52<kblin>ectospasm: lsb_release says it's "Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze)" :)
03:52<ectospasm>kblin: heh, OK
03:53<kblin>that's why I'm really confused about something that seems related to ubuntu
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03:54<ectospasm>looks like line 12 of logrotate_script tries to call initctl
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03:55<kblin>it looks like log rotation works fine, but that error message is causing cron to spam me
03:56<kblin>so I'd like to understand what the heck is going on, and then fix it
03:56<ectospasm>kblin: best I can tell is that the logrotate_script calls a nonexistent program initctl
03:56<ectospasm>...so fixing the logrotate script will remove the "spam"
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03:59<kblin>ectospasm: yes, but I don't see a script of that name
03:59<kblin>and looking through the package contents at packages.debian.org, ther shouldn't be a package that contains a file with that name
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04:00<jm_>do you get more info if you run logrotate -v or logrotate -d?
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04:00<kblin>and to clarify, by "I don't see" I mean "find / -name logrotate_script" comes up empty
04:01<kblin>jm_: I don't see the initctl error when I run logrotate from the command line, it seems
04:01<kblin>even if I run the cron script
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04:03<ectospasm>kblin: it's probably a script in /etc/logrotate.d/...
04:04<ectospasm>kblin: grep -Rin initctl /etc/logrotate.d/
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04:06<kblin>ectospasm: ah, good catch
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04:06<kblin>apparently the Ceph debian packages are more Ceph ubuntu packages
04:06<jm_>kblin: logrotate_script is an argument to the logrotate script it seems
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04:07<jm_>from the code: argv[0] = "sh"; argv[1] = "-c"; argv[2] = script; argv[3] = "logrotate_script";
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04:09<jm_>kblin: which cron script do you run?
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04:30<kblin>jm_: it seems that the "ceph" package I have installed tries to do ubuntu-specific stuff
04:31<jm_>kblin: hmm didn't you say you are using squeeze?
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04:34<jm_>but even so, I see nothing unusual in its logrotate script
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05:12<TaylorBaby>WWW.QUICKCOLLEGEHOOKUPS.COM is giving away 7 more FREE accounts!
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05:19<kblin>jm_: I've got the ceph package from ceph.com, not the one from unstable
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05:41<jm_>kblin: ok, that may be different than debian then
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06:30<manolo>hi there, i would like to download a webpage... i've tried so far with wget but I don't know how to do it since the webpage requires authentication, any tip
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06:30<manolo>?
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06:31<indexphinger>Well, Its running
06:31<indexphinger>took forever
06:32<indexphinger>I wish this iMac had more ram
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06:32<jm_>manolo: what kind of auth?
06:32<indexphinger>I'd love to just mozy on over to my box of PC133 but sadly this iMac only takes laptop ram
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06:33<indexphinger>whats a good linux that runs on under 128MB Ram?
06:33<manolo>i don't really know, i'm not so much into this kind of stuff
06:33<manolo>jm_: anyway, the webpage is this one: https://www.sci.uma.es/wuma/protegido/za/ficha.php?id=50650
06:35<jm_>manolo: that's doable with --post-foo options I guess
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06:35<ectospasm>indexphinger: DSL (DamnSmallLinux
06:35<indexphinger>Hmm...
06:36<indexphinger>I'm a fan of debian but its just a little out of this poor machine's leauge
06:36<ectospasm>or PuppyLinux
06:36<indexphinger>Plus I don't think theres a PowerPC version
06:37<indexphinger>I wanna basically build a barebones Debian Install
06:37<indexphinger>every other machine I have has a decent squeeze install
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06:39<manolo>jm_: but, how do i know which data/file should i use?
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06:41<jm_>manolo: by inspecting the html page, i.e. same as the browser does (try using something like httpfox to see the details), or if GET works, frmget bookmarklet might also help
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06:42<indexphinger>I just want a basic linux core with a cheap desktop environment as this iMac is primarily going to be the living room internet surfing PC and a remote terminal to fiddle with my server so I don't have to go plug stuff into it.
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06:43<indexphinger>It would be cool if it were an ultraplain Xwindow environment too.
06:46<manolo>jm_: ok thank you i'll try that way
06:46<ectospasm>indexphinger: why not install Debian using an expert install, and don't install any package groups on it (other than maybe SSH stuff)
06:46<ectospasm>...then build only the DE you want, like XFCE4 or LXDE
06:47<indexphinger>Yeah I think I'll do that, this machine only has a 6GB HDD :P
06:47<indexphinger>BRB I'm going on my main PC
06:47<robokop>when i plug in my webcam dmesg says: http://paste.debian.net/193109/ any pointers?
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06:49<indexphinger>Everyone around me considers me to be a computer genius because I type most of my PC stuff in a plain black and green terminal
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06:49<indexphinger>when I'm just apt-get'ing small things because its easier to switch ttys
06:50<morssy>hi
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06:53<indexphinger>Ok so I'm going to do an expert install on this machine again, BRB
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06:54<[1]IndexPhinger>back
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07:02<IndexPhinger>UDE vs. EDE vs LXDE
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07:06<IndexPhinger>can i use TWM on debian!?
07:07<jm_>you have our permission
07:08<kmz>why not?
07:08<IndexPhinger>i used that once while helping my elementary school tech fix the mail server
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07:09<IndexPhinger>is it as simple as apt-get install twm
07:10<kmz>and?
07:10<kmz>you even know how install it - why asking then?
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07:10<jm_>+ depending on how X is started/configured, something else might be needed
07:10<IndexPhinger>:o i love debian soooo much
07:11<ectospasm>twm is fugly, iirc
07:12<kmz>it is
07:12<ectospasm>but it is as minimal as it gets
07:12<ectospasm>then there's evilwm
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07:12<IndexPhinger>thats exactly what i need
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07:18<IndexPhinger>a music capable terminal with a cool minimal interface.
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07:19<jm_>what's a music capable terminal?
07:20<IndexPhinger>i like using this iMac as a CD player
07:21<jm_>so you want an app that can be used to control your cd drive to play music from it? workbone is as simple as it gets, but there are also some CLI tools to control it
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07:26<babilen>IndexPhinger: I think that a decent window manager such as fluxbox is lightweight enough for almost every system, while still being usable and not fugly.
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07:26<babilen>ymmv
07:27<ectospasm>or, you could turn it into a kiosk like system, just a web browser and maybe a frontend to a media playback program...
07:27<ectospasm>shift to virtual terminals for administration
07:27<IndexPhinger>apt-get install lynx
07:27<IndexPhinger>oop
07:27<IndexPhinger>i have a kvm
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07:48<nander>Does the Logitech G500 mouse work on debian testing?
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07:49<nevyn>why would it not?
07:51<ectospasm>yeah, I haven't run across a keyboard or mouse which *doesn't* work in Linux in a loooooong time
07:51<ectospasm>...I want to say the last one was an RS-232 mouse
07:51<jm_>nander: G5 works fine for me with squeeze
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07:58<nander>jm_ G500?
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08:03<jm_>nander: no, mine's G5, from 2006 or somesuch
08:04<IndexPhinger>is there a way to get a verbose install?
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08:07<jm_>you can find lots of info about install on tty3 tty4
08:08<IndexPhinger>thanks
08:09<IndexPhinger>not a fan of progress bars
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08:19<IndexPhinger>3.2.0-3-powerpc or image-powerpc...hmm
08:20<IndexPhinger>is there a benefit to 3.2.0?
08:21<abrotman>over what?
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08:22<IndexPhinger>over the kernel with no version number
08:23<IndexPhinger>oh its 2.6
08:25<babilen>IndexPhinger: The 2.6 one is most likely a metapackage (/msg dpkg metapackage)
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08:27<abrotman>IndexPhinger: i'd say to do the the one that is linux-image-powerpc
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08:35<IndexPhinger>:c the fastest mirror for me is 41 days out of date
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08:36<IndexPhinger>oh well
08:36<babilen>!tell IndexPhinger -about http.debian.net
08:38<VeRoNmAiDeN>you botnet ??
08:39<IndexPhinger>babilen thx!
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08:51<abrotman>VeRoNmAiDeN: I'm a bot, is that okay?
08:52<themill>/nick abotman
08:52<VeRoNmAiDeN>pq ??
08:52<abrotman>bc!!
08:55<VeRoNmAiDeN>abrotman I CODICO source of botnet
08:55<abrotman>VeRoNmAiDeN: your kitchen
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08:57<VeRoNmAiDeN>will help me or not abrotman
08:57<abrotman>I'm a bot, I have no thumbs
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08:59<themill>VeRoNmAiDeN: Do you have a Debian user support question we can help you with? Would you be happier asking in #debian-br?
09:00*abrotman looks weepy-eyed at themill
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09:00<VeRoNmAiDeN>I thought we would anyone else know anything home
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09:03<SynrG>VeRoNmAiDeN: excessive use of google translate causes brain damage, and sometimes death
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09:05<kblin>SynrG: [citation needed] ;)
09:06<SynrG>kblin: just a second, i think I have a Microsoft-funded study filed somewhere ...
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09:06<kblin>SynrG: oh, that one, yes. it seems using bing is much safer
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09:46<viz>the screen on my thinkpad t60 sometimes blinks. Every now and then it goes black for one second, and then it's back. It's hella annoying!
09:46<viz>Does anyone know a fix?
09:47<viz>When I was going to install debian I only choose core and laptop.
09:47<viz>Other info: I haven't installed drivers for my gfx card.
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09:57<pato83>Hi, I have a question due to the fact that I can not figure out where it is coming from. I used to have setup static ip address on eth0 192.168.100.1 and the client was 192.168.100.2 also setup in /etc/network/interfaces. Now I changed the clients settings to use dhcp server to get ip address. So on 192.168.100.1 is running dnsmasq and should give to the client 192.168.100.100 based on mac address of client. It doesnt do that and moreover when I run "ip moni
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09:57<pato83>I have also given to chceck dnsmasq.conf to my wife to check it but no luck.
09:57<pato83>:)
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10:43<IndexPhinger>i wish i had a reflow oven
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11:13<stratoz>hello
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11:13<stratoz>anyone there?
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11:14<IndexPhinger>sudo apt-get autoremove --purge gnome*
11:14<IndexPhinger>oops
11:14<stratoz>aha
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11:15<markrian>I've spent *hours* Googling, trying to get my cifs mounts to mount at bootup on squeeze, but they just don't. A mount -a after booting mounts them just fine, so the lines in fstab must be okay. I've tried setting the _netdev option, but that apparently does nothing. I've exhausted all search terms I can think of. Any ideas?
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11:18<markrian>This is an example line from my fstab file:
11:18<markrian>//fs01/PDrive /p cifs defaults,_netdev,credentials=/root/creds 0 0
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11:19<Pitxyoki>What about adding "auto" in the options?
11:19<markrian>All googling I've done suggests that the problem lies somehow with the network. Either the mount is attempted before the network is ready, or perhaps the mount isn't attempted at all.
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11:20<Pitxyoki>I think it's supposed to be set by default, but..
11:20<markrian>Pitxyoki: the 'defaults' option includes 'auto'
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11:21<Pitxyoki>And what's that _netdev parameter?
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11:22<Pitxyoki>And... You can see what hapeened during boot in the bootlog, at /var/log/boot.
11:22<markrian>According to mount's manpage, "_netdev: The filesystem resides on a device that requires network access (used to prevent the system from attempting to mount these filesystems until the network has been enabled on the system)."
11:22<markrian>So I really thought that was it, but it appears to do nothing
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11:22<Pitxyoki>(You need the bootlogd package installed.)
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11:22<IndexPhinger>fvwm looks to be useful
11:23<markrian>Pitxyoki: yeah, I have, and enabled that - there are no messages related to mounts apart from "Mounting local filesystems..."
11:23<Pitxyoki>Oh, now I remember that I disabled cifs auto-mounting after I started using NetworkManager.
11:23<Pitxyoki>It would fail all the time because the network comes up very late.
11:23<Pitxyoki>I'm on wireless, though.
11:23<markrian>I'm not using network-manager, and it's a wired connection :)
11:24<markrian>So, y'know, you'd think it should just work.
11:24<Pitxyoki>Yep.
11:24<markrian>I swear this kind of thing used to Just Work in debian, but squeeze has introduced all sorts of problems for me...
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11:29<Pitxyoki>hm
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11:29<Pitxyoki>The mountall.sh init script clearly only starts the "no_netdev" filesystems.
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11:32<Pitxyoki>On the other hand, markrian: http://bugs.debian.org/643651
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11:33<markrian>Ah yes, Pitxyoki, I found that ticket in my Googling. However, I don't have those CIFS errors in any of my logs. (I think....)
11:33<Pitxyoki>See the other mentioned bugs.
11:34<Pitxyoki>The last e-mail there refers to several other reports.
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11:49<melli>ola
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11:50<melli>me llamo elena
11:50<melli>y tu?
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11:51<melli>podeis desir algo?
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11:51<themill>!es-social melli
11:51<dpkg>melli: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:52<melli>iros acagar
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12:17<markrian>For the record, I ended up creating the file /etc/network/if-up.d/mountcifs (set to be executable), which contains this:
12:17<markrian>#!/bin/sh
12:17<markrian>mount -a -tcifs
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12:18<markrian>And that works. Why that's necessary, I don't know. The mountnfs script in the same directory claims to mount SMBFS/CIFS shares as well, and that it itself is therefore incorrectly named, but... it doesn't.
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12:19<markrian>Pretty amazed that's necessary. Mounting network shares should be easy!
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12:48<dcdeathscythe>clear
12:48<dcdeathscythe>Hello all
12:49<retrospectacus>'morning
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12:51<dcdeathscythe>had a quick question, when downloading the cd's or dvd's with jigdo, I noticed there was an debian-6.0.5.jigdo and debian-update-6.0.5.jigdo, do you use the update version instead of the original or am supposed to update the original with the update version?
12:52<dondelelcaro>dcdeathscythe: you update versions previous to 6.0.5 with the update cd.
12:52<dondelelcaro>dcdeathscythe: however, if you have a working network connection, you really only need the first cd.
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12:53<dcdeathscythe>I'm working on my laptop with no network connection, so I use the first disc to install and update it with the update dvd?
12:54<dcdeathscythe>oh crap, ok I understand what your saying now. lol
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12:54<dcdeathscythe>I misread that.
12:54<dcdeathscythe>lol
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13:02<dcdeathscythe>thank you for clarifying that for me.
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13:07<AlexLikeRock>what messenger its better to video-call with a friend whit MSN messenger?
13:08<Pitxyoki>I think there's none currently.
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13:08<Pitxyoki>I've been using Skype.
13:08<Pitxyoki>:\
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13:08<Pitxyoki>But there are other open-source alternatives.
13:08<retrospectacus>doesn't amsn do video calls?
13:08<AlexLikeRock>my friend only have msn messenger :-(
13:08<Pitxyoki>retrospectacus, I don't think the current version does.
13:09<Pitxyoki>Also, amsn is out of the debian repos.
13:09<Pitxyoki>At least the testing ones.
13:09<Pitxyoki>And is set to get out of unstable.
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13:09<retrospectacus>indeed
13:09<AlexLikeRock>"amsn: Package amsn has no available version, but exists in the database.
13:09<AlexLikeRock>This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list"
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13:11<retrospectacus>maybe emesene
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13:14<Pitxyoki>I don't think emesene has video support.
13:14<Pitxyoki>They are always announcing it *will*...
13:14<Pitxyoki>But then it never comes.
13:14<Pitxyoki>:\
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13:18<Pitxyoki>https://github.com/emesene/emesene/issues/1526
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13:21<retrospectacus>good times with closed codecs
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13:22<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: I googled it for you and it is indeed not possible. emesene used to work but now you must use the M$ client to support video
13:23<retrospectacus>some people are saying you can do it with an XP VM
13:23<AlexLikeRock>jjajaja.
13:24<AlexLikeRock>i will try frist with amsn and emesene,
13:24<retrospectacus>it won't work.
13:24<AlexLikeRock>for last VM -xp
13:24<Pitxyoki>AlexLikeRock, it's easier to make your friend install skype and use that.
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13:24<AlexLikeRock>how many time ago you try it ?
13:25<Pitxyoki>AlexLikeRock, I'm using aMSN right now.
13:25<retrospectacus>the URL above confirms that it is not possible
13:25<Pitxyoki>And I just tried emesene.
13:25<AlexLikeRock>my friend have like 40 years
13:25<Pitxyoki>So?
13:25<AlexLikeRock>hahha
13:25<Pitxyoki>I've seen grannies use Skype. :-)
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13:28<AlexLikeRock>my friend its "featherbrained"
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13:28<AlexLikeRock>ok, tanks
13:29<AlexLikeRock>and so.. anly not work with amsn
13:29<AlexLikeRock>ok, will try with emesene
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13:31<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: why do you ask here if you ignore what we tell you?
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13:31<AlexLikeRock>no, you say , not work with "amsns"
13:31<AlexLikeRock>***amsn
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13:32<AlexLikeRock>or with both ?
13:32<AlexLikeRock>sorry i confuse
13:33<Pitxyoki>[18:16:39] <Pitxyoki> I don't think emesene has video support.
13:33<Pitxyoki>[18:20:14] <Pitxyoki> https://github.com/emesene/emesene/issues/1526
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13:33<AlexLikeRock>tanks pitxyoki ,
13:34<AlexLikeRock>i need a glasses
13:34<AlexLikeRock>:-(
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13:36<Calinou>just saying *leaves*
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14:37<mjk>Hi! Is there a way I could tell aptitude to NEVER (automatically) install a package named "foobar"? Last time I tried, "aptitude hold foobar" would only work when "foobar" was already installed (so that newer versions wouldn't get installed).
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14:46<SynrG>mjk: i don't know about 'never' but maybe you want negative pinning?
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14:46<SynrG>mjk: probably even with a negative pin if you said "aptitude install foobar" it would still install it
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14:47<SynrG>mjk: but that's what we use, e.g. in a live-build configuration, to prevent a package that is pulled in via Recommends: from being installed (it will not, however, prevent one from being installed if there is a Depends:)
14:47<mjk>SynrG: That would be okay, I just want to prevent automatic install (as consequence of a (recommends-)dependency resolution)
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14:47<SynrG>mind you, we use apt-get to install packages by default, but i see no reason aptitude should not play nicely with negative pins too
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14:48<mjk>Oh wow ...
14:48<SynrG>see the apt_preferences man page re -1
14:48<mjk>wait ...
14:48<mjk>Wasn't aptitude meant to the default interface? And use of apt-get was discouraged?
14:48*mjk is puzzled
14:49<dardevelin>apt-get is meant to be used with wrappers
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14:49<mjk>So aptitude uses apt-get?
14:49<dardevelin>mjk, yes
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14:50<dardevelin>mjk, but because is so simple people actually use apt-get all the time
14:50<dardevelin>however there are some disadvantages on doing so
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14:50<mjk>Interesting ... I thought apt-get had probs with dep-resolution ...
14:50<SynrG>mjk: live-build can use whatever it wants. live-build is not an end-user
14:50<SynrG>no, it does not
14:50<SynrG>and even if it did, it would be no help
14:51<mjk>Yeah, if aptitude uses it ...
14:51<SynrG>aptitude's dep resolution requires user interaction
14:51<SynrG>live-build requires *no* user interaction
14:51<retrospectacus>apt-get is faster, I only use aptitude if apt-get couldn't figure out what to do
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14:51<mjk>Ah yeah ok
14:51<mjk>But I can't set pkgs on hold with apt-get, can I?
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14:51<dardevelin>aptitude is best in the sense that is used by other higher levels like synaptic and keep track of what got installed in what day and what not for you
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14:51<mjk>I could just do the "echo hold <pkgname> | dpkg-set-selection" thing
14:52<retrospectacus>mjk: /msg dpkg hold
14:52<mjk>dardevelin: Yes, I find the aptitude log far more readable than the dpkg log
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14:52<mjk>Uaaaaaaaaaah! "aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg"
14:53<SynrG>right
14:53<mjk>Omgomgomg, I wish I hadn't asked =)
14:53*themill thought it was the other way around
14:53<SynrG>hence my recommendation you use negative pinning
14:53*mjk sticks his fingers in his ears and sings "laaa-laaa-laaa"
14:53<retrospectacus>other way around as well :P
14:53<SynrG>pretty sure both apt and aptitude will obey that negative pin
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14:53<SynrG>and that accomplishes exactly what you want
14:53<mjk>SynrG: But it wouldn't stop Depends: dependencies to be automatically resolved by aptitude, or?
14:54<SynrG>i don't think anything will save you from that
14:54<mjk>Hmmm ........
14:54<mjk>*thinking*
14:54<SynrG>you mean, you want it also to block install of Depends: foobar?
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14:54<mjk>SynrG: Exactly!
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14:54<SynrG>that would ripple back up through the whole chain of depends, breaking your whole install
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14:54<SynrG>i am pretty sure that's worse than the cure
14:54<mjk>SynrG: Yes, then I wouldn't install the package which depends on foobar
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14:55<mjk>SynrG: I don't know beforehand if a pkg depends on one of the pkgs I don't want to get installed ... so I do "aptitude install <interestingpackage>" and then I expect sth. like "Cannot install <int.pkg> because it depends on "foobar" which is on hold"
14:56<nmvsOh>HE
14:56<mjk>(Of course, I could do "apt-cache show <int.pkg>" and check my pkg-non-grata list, but ...)
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14:56<mjk>Hm, weren't there some kind of "aptitude hooks"?
14:57<mjk>Hm, dpkg doesn't have a hooks lemma
14:58<mjk>Hm, at least there seem to be dpkg and apt-get hooks according to Google, but that would be too late, I guess ...
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15:00<mjk>Seems the only resolution is to write a wrapper script for aptitude which would call "aptitude --simulate" (or similar), check aptitude's list of packages that would be installed (after dep-res) and then check against the pkg-blacklist.
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15:15<sidewalk>i currently have ubuntu with software raid (md0, md1 & md2), i want to keep md1 & md2, but install debian on the md0, is it possible keeping the devices md1 & md2 from data loss during the installation process of debian? anything i should think of?
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15:21<SynrG> /win 9
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15:21<SynrG>bleh
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15:42<magnetophon>I was trying to set up iptables for internet sharing, and now i cannot reach the web anymore. I can ping the modem, and i also have internet via the same cable on another pc.
15:42<magnetophon>how do i troubleshoot this?
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15:49<retrospectacus>magnetophon: undo whatever you did
15:50<magnetophon>retrospectacus: I'm trying to, but i'm not sure what that is. iptables -nvL shows me I have no iptables rules set up.
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15:52<retrospectacus>check the other tables too, iptables -t nat -L
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15:53<magnetophon>retrospectacus: nothing there either...
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15:53<retrospectacus>policy ACCEPT on all chains?
15:53<magnetophon>yes
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15:54<retrospectacus>how about "ifconfi -a" and "route -n" - do you have an address and correct routing?
15:54<retrospectacus>+g
15:55<retrospectacus>there is also the mangle table, iptables -t mangle -L but I doubt you did anything in there
15:56<magnetophon>i'd have to diconnect from this chat to check (using the same cable)
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15:56<magnetophon>you did catch that i can ping the modem?
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15:56<retrospectacus>oh. no
15:57<retrospectacus>if that works, hmm you might just be missing DNS servers or a default route
15:57<retrospectacus>you got a Public IP on eth0 from your ISP then?
15:58<magnetophon>retrospectacus: that went over my head
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15:59<magnetophon>you got a Public IP on eth0 from your ISP then? i can rech the web from the same cable, using another pc
16:00<retrospectacus>so you have a modem but no router, correct?
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16:00<magnetophon>retrospectacus: i think it is both in one, not sure
16:00<retrospectacus>hmm, what is the IP of the machine you are on right now?
16:01<magnetophon>192.168.178.22
16:02<magnetophon>that's an internal address
16:02<retrospectacus>ok yep
16:02<retrospectacus>and your gateway (modem/router) is probably 192.168.178.1
16:02<magnetophon>yep
16:02<retrospectacus>and you got that 178.22 IP via DHCP
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16:02<magnetophon>yes
16:02<retrospectacus>and you have nameservers, probably at your ISP
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16:03<retrospectacus>or the gateway/router/modem is your nameserver
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16:03<magnetophon>if i ping google.com it tells me it's pinging an ip, so i guess that means yes
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16:04<retrospectacus>anyways you want to use your debian machine to "share" the single connection your router provides?
16:04<retrospectacus>how?
16:04<mercano>Привет
16:04<retrospectacus>mercano: hello. English only here.
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16:04<mercano>русски
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16:04<retrospectacus>mercano: go to #debian-russian
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16:05<magnetophon>retrospectacus: well that was what i was trying, but for now i'd be happy just to get direct internet back
16:05<magnetophon>on the other pc, that is
16:06<retrospectacus>magnetophon: well rebooting debian will clear out iptables for you. if you have iface eth0 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces it should work fine, same as the machine you're on now
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16:06<magnetophon>i tried rebooting
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16:07<retrospectacus>try ''dhclient eth0'' as root
16:07<magnetophon>retrospectacus: i get an ip
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16:08<retrospectacus>and nameserver(s) in /etc/resolv.conf
16:08<retrospectacus>and a gateway in ''route -n'' ?
16:08<magnetophon>retrospectacus: ok, i'll diconnect and check. brb!
16:08<retrospectacus>ok
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16:18<john>spain should be helped
16:18<john><john> for the love of God help them
16:18<john><john> Give them firms
16:18<john><john> Give them jobs
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16:20<retrospectacus>magnetophon: so what happened?
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16:21<magnetophon>retrospectacus: the output of cat /etc/resolv.conf and route-n is identical on both pc's. (except the non working one has anextra line in route -n relating to eth1)
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16:21<magnetophon>retrospectacus: i also did another reboor just for good measure
16:21<magnetophon>*reboot
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16:22<magnetophon>sill the same result: can ping the modem, but not google
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16:23<retrospectacus>can you ping an Internet IP like 4.2.2.2 or 74.125.225.130
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16:24<magnetophon>retrospectacus: the ping to google is being translated to an ip, so i'd guess yes
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16:25<retrospectacus>on the non-working machine?
16:25<magnetophon>retrospectacus: then again, without the cable, it still tries to ping the ip, so i'll go and actually try
16:25<magnetophon>yes , on the non working one
16:26<retrospectacus>so when you try to ping 4.2.2.2 what is the error, does it contain the router's IP?
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16:30<magnetophon>retrospectacus: aha! it seems the trouble is with the dns
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16:30<magnetophon>if i ping google.co i go to the wrong ip. if i ping the actual ip of google, it works...
16:31<magnetophon>lemme check
16:31<weasel>"the actual ip of google" cute.
16:31<retrospectacus>maybe you have something wrong in /etc/hosts though I don't know why you would
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16:33<magnetophon>retrospectacus: no error, just recieved packages
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16:34<retrospectacus>so it's fine now?
16:34<magnetophon>weasel: OK, i kind of knew google has many ip's (that's what you mean, right?), i meant the one the my working pc uses
16:35<weasel>magnetophon: :)
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16:35<magnetophon>retrospectacus: i have a big hosts file as a tracking/add filter, but i didn't change anything there
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16:37<magnetophon>retrospectacus: no, the dns doesn't work
16:37<magnetophon>retrospectacus: i can ping ip's but no adresses
16:37<weasel>magnetophon: is this true for all hostnames?
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16:39<weasel>magnetophon: paste the output of iptables -vnL; iptables -t nat -vnL; iptables -t mangle -vnL ; ip r ; ip a ; mtr -r -c 4 -n 86.59.118.148; cat /etc/resolv.conf to paste.debian.net?
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16:40<magnetophon>weasel: OK now i'm not following anymore, i cannot ping google but i can ping yahoo!
16:40<weasel>magnetophon: do what I asked anyway
16:41<weasel>that'll give us a baseline
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16:41<magnetophon>weasel retrospectacus: so i guess i should try renaming the hosts file and try again?
16:41<weasel>that's not what I told you.
16:41<weasel>I asked for information.
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16:43<magnetophon>weasel: oh sorry for the confusion: i did, and that was the outcome: can ping yahoo, but not google
16:43<magnetophon>via name that is. can ping via ip just fine
16:44<magnetophon>why would that be?
16:44<weasel>magnetophon: Wed 22:39:02 <weasel> magnetophon: paste the output of iptables -vnL; iptables -t nat -vnL; iptables -t mangle -vnL ; ip r ; ip a ; mtr -r -c 4 -n 86.59.118.148; cat
16:44<weasel> /etc/resolv.conf to paste.debian.net?
16:44<magnetophon>weasel: ok, hang on
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16:47<Pitxyoki>Do you know your DNS server's address?
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16:55<weasel>did he leave?
16:55<weasel>apparently
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16:59<magnetophon>weasel: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/444dc1c3/
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17:00<weasel>so far so good.
17:00<weasel>magnetophon: dig @192.168.178.1 www.debian.org
17:00<magnetophon>weasel: what does that last line mean?
17:01<magnetophon>dig @192.168.178.1 www.debian.org
17:01<weasel>magnetophon: you run it, you paste the output.
17:01<weasel>(on paste.debian.net)
17:01<magnetophon>weasel: of course...
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17:03<weasel>magnetophon: (and you probably shouldn't take 15 minutes to answer such a request. it is hard to stay interested in a problem that way)
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17:07<magnetophon>weasel: http://paste.debian.net/193355/
17:07<weasel>ok, so at least your resolver isn't entirely stupid.
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17:07<weasel>magnetophon: you said pinging google.com didn't work?
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17:08<weasel>.
17:09<weasel>..
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17:09<weasel>...
17:09<weasel>have a nice day. good luck.
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17:17<magnetophon>weasel: look OK right? at leas on my working pc i get identical output (apart from the id field, the query time, and the WHEN)
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17:17<weasel>magnetophon: I can't help you if every answer takes 10 minutes.
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17:21<magnetophon>weasel: http://paste.debian.net/193355/
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17:22<magnetophon>weasel: look OK right? at leas on my working pc i get identical output (apart from the id field, the query time, and the WHEN)
17:22<weasel>you're clearly not reading what I write, or reacting to it.
17:22<magnetophon>weasel: i seem to have missed a post
17:22<magnetophon>sorry
17:23<magnetophon>weasel: after i posted the paste for th first time i got "The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat."\
17:23<weasel>magnetophon: if you can't deliver answers to questions well under 10 minutes, like around a minute or less, this is just too frustrating.
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17:24<magnetophon>weasel: there seems to be an irc hickup, sorry!
17:24<weasel>no, it's not an IRC hickup. IRC is just fine.
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17:25<weasel>Wed 23:07:24 <weasel> ok, so at least your resolver isn't entirely stupid.
17:25<weasel>Wed 23:07:43 <weasel> magnetophon: you said pinging google.com didn't work?
17:25<magnetophon>weasel: yes
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17:25<weasel>magnetophon: getent hosts www.debian.org; dig @192.168.178.1 www.google.com; getent hosts www.google.com
17:26<weasel>magnetophon: cat /etc/nsswitch.conf too while you're at it.
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17:27<magnetophon>OK i will, but please understand i have to switch cables, ssh into the non-working pc, run commands, paste to textfile, switch cables back, paste to debian, hence the delay
17:28<magnetophon>thanks for your patience!
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17:29<weasel>well, it's 30 minutes to midnight. not many round trips left for you then
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17:33<magnetophon>weasel: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a622e222/
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17:34<magnetophon>6 minutes.... sorry, can't do it faster :)
17:34<weasel>bah, bad getent. returning ipv6 records.
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17:36<weasel>do you have ipv6?
17:36<magnetophon>am i in the room again?
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17:37<weasel>yes?
17:37<magnetophon>cause i can't get "info" on any usernames in here
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17:38<magnetophon>i have ipv4 afaik
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17:39<weasel>do you have the output of 'ping www.google.com' somewhere?
17:39<magnetophon>weasel: pretty sure actually
17:39<weasel>what did it say?
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17:44<magnetophon>weasel: when i right click info on a username in another irc channel i get instant response, in here i get "retrieving" and also your remark that i was not listening to what you say makes me think there is a hickup in the irc. you did get my last paste, right? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a622e222/
17:44<weasel>yes.
17:44<weasel>you shouldn't take away the network from your irc client. it really doesn't like that.
17:44<weasel>Wed 23:39:05 <weasel> do you have the output of 'ping www.google.com' somewhere?
17:44<weasel>Wed 23:39:13 <magnetophon> weasel: pretty sure actually
17:44<weasel>Wed 23:39:23 <weasel> what did it say?
17:44<weasel>also, we are long past your paste.
17:46<weasel>anyway, I'm going to bed now.
17:46<weasel>good night
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17:52<magnetophon>weasel: i couldn't rejoin #debian for a while, hence the delay. did you get any answers from me or should i repost?
17:53<AlexLikeRock>it's ALIVEEEEEEEEeeee!
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17:53<AlexLikeRock>my HDD it's ALIVEEEE!
17:53<AlexLikeRock>any one , now one program to check performance of my HDD?
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17:55<retrospectacus>magnetophon: he went to sleep
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17:56<Pitxyoki>AlexLikeRock, dd if=/dev/zero of=/file/in/your/drive
17:56<Pitxyoki>That tests throughput.
17:56<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: did you ever hear about this website called google?
17:56<Pitxyoki>There are programs that test seek time.
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17:56<Pitxyoki>I can only remember a graphical one, "gnome-disk-utility".
17:56<retrospectacus>hdstat or hdparm or soemthing like that
17:56<Pitxyoki>It has some SMART report features too.
17:57<devil>AlexLikeRock: hdparm -Tt /dev/sdX
17:58<SynrG>bonnie++ for a more rigorous set of tests
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17:59<magnetophon>can anybody hear me? i seem to have trouble connecing with this irc channel.
17:59<Pitxyoki>I can read you.
17:59<Pitxyoki>You have to should louder for me to hear you.
17:59<devil>magnetophon: speak louder, can't hear ya
18:00<retrospectacus>magnetophon: what's that sonny?
18:01*debdog unmutes the channel
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18:04<AlexLikeRock>tanks pitxyoki
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18:07<magnetophon>weasel: can you read this? i'm having trouble connecting to irc...
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18:09<magnetophon>weasel: not sure if you got my earlier attempts at posting this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a622e222/
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18:09<devil>magnetophon: we read you, we hear you, we even see you
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18:09<retrospectacus>magnetophon: weasel went to sleep. Carry on
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18:10<magnetophon>retrospectacus devil: so did you also get the other two times i posted the above link?
18:11<magnetophon>doesn't really matter i guess
18:11<retrospectacus>yes
18:11<devil>yes
18:12<magnetophon>hmmmm.... anyway: weasel said i my dig returned an ipv6 response.how do i fix that?
18:13<magnetophon>if someone could point me to some search terms i'm sure i could figure it out
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18:14<AlexLikeRock>SynrG: bonnie++ its on terminal or grafic program ?
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18:15<AlexLikeRock>guys , what tink about ; http://picpaste.com/Untitled-sGNoP67j.png
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18:16<AlexLikeRock>it regular or sooo bad :-S
18:17<magnetophon>to summarize: i can ping ip's on the web, can ping some url's but not others and my iptables and resolv.conf are OK.
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18:17<magnetophon>why can't i ping all urls?
18:18<devil>magnetophon: try another dns
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18:19<magnetophon>devil: the dns seems ok (from my noob pov), i can use the web on another pc with the same cable just fine
18:19<themill>magnetophon: what are some sites you can get to and some you can't? Can you pastebin the output of "getent hosts example.com" for each of those examples.
18:19<devil>AlexLikeRock: it's kinda below average
18:20<stderr>magnetophon: You had a big /etc/hosts, right? Maybe you got some crap in there.
18:20<AlexLikeRock>tanks devil
18:20<magnetophon>themill: for example i cannot ping google.com here is a paste of the getent (and some others) http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a622e222/
18:20<devil>AlexLikeRock: for an older HDD it would be ok
18:20<AlexLikeRock>so, they have alive for 6 mounts
18:21<AlexLikeRock>hahah
18:21<themill>magnetophon: can you do that test for a few others too. And also some sites that work.
18:21<AlexLikeRock>all rigth
18:21<AlexLikeRock>goit to lunch time :-D
18:21<magnetophon>stderr: i didn't change it from when it was working before, but if you think it makes sence i can rename it and try again
18:21<AlexLikeRock>bye guys
18:22<themill>magnetophon: do you have any use for ipv6 at all>
18:22<themill>?
18:22<magnetophon>themill: don't think so
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18:23<themill>magnetophon: it might be that is your issue here... but I can't tell unless you try some more "getent hosts" on things that do and don't work.
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18:24<magnetophon>themill: OK, i'll try getent yahoo.com (ping works) and getent google.com (ping doesn;t work)
18:24<magnetophon>themill: anything else i should try
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18:25<themill>!noipv6
18:25<dpkg>From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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18:33<hussain>hellp
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18:34<magnetophon>themill: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/94e05f41/ out of these only google.com doesn't ping back
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18:35<themill>magnetophon: yeah, so getting an ipv6 address back doesn't work; getting an ipv4 address does. I'd try doing what dpkg said earlier to disable ipv6
18:35<retrospectacus>dang. forgot to fill it
18:36<magnetophon>themill: i missed that remark by dpkg
18:36<themill>dpkg: tell magnetophon about noipv6
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18:38<magnetophon>themill: thanks i'll try that. (with grub 1 i even knew how to do that, now i'll have to google...)
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18:39<sidewalk>so which is the best vnc server software for debian?
18:39<retrospectacus>magnetophon: you don't have to google. dpkg told you what to do
18:39<retrospectacus>sidewalk: depends what you want to do. Probably x11vnc
18:40<sidewalk>going to use it to access a box in a closet
18:40<sidewalk>need it to start nice during boot etc
18:40<retrospectacus>from what OS? and to do what?
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18:41<magnetophon>retrospectacus: i don't know the grub2 version of /boot/grub/menu.lst (that is what i need, right???)
18:41<retrospectacus>magnetophon: it's /etc/default/grub
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18:42<themill>magnetophon: you could just try it out at the grub splash screen rather than actually reconfiguring it in the config files
18:42<sidewalk>need to access it from linux, windows, iOS
18:42<sidewalk>maybe Android
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18:44<retrospectacus>sidewalk: normally one controls a linux box using SSH. No need for "remote desktop", that's a windows paradigm. What kind of tasks are you envisioning doing on your debian closet server?
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18:47<sidewalk>retrospectacus: thanks, but its vnc im looking for :)
18:47<retrospectacus>ok... do you want it to be shared when >1 person connects?
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18:48<sidewalk>not really
18:48<sidewalk>its enough if one is connected, but maybe it doesnt hurt to have it open
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18:49<magnetophon1>themill: YAY!! it worked! i would just really like to know how this problem came to be
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18:50<magnetophon1>themill: oh and of course many thanks!
18:50<themill>well done
18:50<magnetophon1>:)
18:50<themill>magnetophon1: something started giving you ipv6 addresses -- new modem? changes at the isp end?
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18:51<magnetophon1>themill: no, just me trying to set up internet sharing via iptables
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18:51<themill>oh? odd
18:52<magnetophon1>unless the isp decided to switch to ipv6 right at that time
18:52<retrospectacus>sidewalk: I guess it doesn't matter then, if you don't care... pick one
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18:54<magnetophon1>to all that tried to help me: many thanks! Ill probably be back soon with questions on setting up iptables internet sharing.
18:54<magnetophon1>not tonight though!
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18:59<edenkips>Hello
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19:00<edenkips>My squeeze 6.0.5 of one month has begun to slow down extremely ever since I stopped using it for two weeks
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19:02<edenkips>Everything takes a minute or more to open and all applications performance has reduced greatly that I cannot use my system anymore
19:03<edenkips>Will defragging help solve that problem?
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19:03<Pitxyoki>What lesson have you learned from that?
19:03<Pitxyoki>Don't stop using Debian for two weeks!
19:03<Pitxyoki>:P
19:03<Pitxyoki>No, it will not.
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19:04<Pitxyoki>Check if you have anything running in the background that's consuming CPU, doing I/O or something like that.
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19:04<edenkips>What was that shortcut?
19:04<Pitxyoki>What does uptime say about the load average?
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19:06<edenkips>Err how am I supposed to check that?
19:07<Pitxyoki>Open a terminal.
19:07<Pitxyoki>Type uptime.
19:07<Pitxyoki>Press enter.
19:07-!-magnetophon1 [~bart@a83-163-205-75.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:07<Pitxyoki>Then copy the three values in front of "load average:".
19:07<Pitxyoki>And paste them here.
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19:08<edenkips>2.73, 1.93, 1.26
19:09<retrospectacus>that's too high, unless you have a 6-core or something
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19:09<edenkips>Then it's now
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19:09<retrospectacus>run "top" - what does the Cpu(s) line say? (3rd line)
19:10<edenkips>0.85 1.52 1.17
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19:10<Pitxyoki>And what does "free -m" say?
19:10<retrospectacus>(press q to quit top)
19:10<Pitxyoki>Also, pressing 'm' on top to see memory stats.
19:10<Pitxyoki>Could also do it.
19:10<Pitxyoki>How much free RAM do you have?
19:11<edenkips>508300
19:11<edenkips>k
19:12<Pitxyoki>That's more than enough.
19:12<Pitxyoki>Something might be eating your hdd.
19:12<Pitxyoki>And I'm sure there's a command that'll let you know what it is.
19:12<edenkips>I have a 1gb ram if that helps
19:12<Pitxyoki>And I'm sure google can help you find out which command it is. ;)
19:12<retrospectacus>what was 508300 for?
19:13<edenkips>Mem free
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19:14<retrospectacus>ah, you didn't put "-m" on the free command I guess?
19:14<retrospectacus>anyway that's fine, you didn't answer me about the Cpu(s) line
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19:15*edenkips scrolls
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19:16<edenkips>It looks normal with 4.0 to 8.0 used
19:17<edenkips>us*
19:17<retrospectacus>the whole line
19:17<edenkips>Ach
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19:18<assistencia>hi. I have a problem with my lcd. I've installed Debian Squeeze, but using a LG or AOC monitor, it doesn't get the correct resolution
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19:19<retrospectacus>assistencia: run xrandr -s 800x600 or whatever resolution you want
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19:19<edenkips>I think xorg is the problem
19:19<retrospectacus>if that doesn't work you may need a better driver for your video card
19:21<edenkips>Cpu(s): 14.3us, 12.1sy, 0.0ni, 73.0id, 0.0wa, 0.7hi, the rest are 0's
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19:22<retrospectacus>edenkips: my xorg does that too when I have too many windows open. close some (especially browsers) or restart your session
19:23<retrospectacus>edenkips: you noticed Xorg at the top of "top" ?
19:23<assistencia>retrospectacus, When I try to change resolution, sistem freezes
19:23<edenkips>Yes
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19:23<edenkips>I only have one window currently open, it's the terminal window
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19:24<retrospectacus>hm
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19:24<edenkips>Kill xorg?
19:25<retrospectacus>well, logout and in, see if it's better
19:25<arazta>good morning..
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19:27<assistencia>retrospectacus, any idea?
19:28<retrospectacus>assistencia: yeah, try a different video driver
19:28<retrospectacus>what's your video card?
19:28<assistencia>retrospectacus, Is there how to know in command line?
19:29<retrospectacus>assistencia: yes, ''lspci -nn | grep -i vga''
19:29<assistencia>retrospectacus, it returns ""
19:29<assistencia>retrospectacus, it returns "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)"
19:30<retrospectacus>you forgot -nn
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19:30<assistencia>retrospectacus, "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0102] (rev 09)"
19:30<newbie>Hi !
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19:31<TeT>Anyone familiar with OpenMediaVault here :) ?
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19:34<retrospectacus>assistencia: should work. I don't have any Intel gfx but I've heard it's good to go on Linux
19:35<edenkips>retrospectacus: It's still the same
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19:35<assistencia>retrospectacus, could be a monitor problem? I'm using a widescreen LG. The same happens on a AOC. It works well on a SAMSUNG
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19:38<edenkips>It's too much of a hassle to reinstall the is
19:38<edenkips>Os*
19:41<retrospectacus>assistencia: you sure you tried a resolution supported by the monitor?
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19:46<assistencia>retrospectacus, Monitor suports "1366x768". On monitor preferences, I have "1024x768" (default), "800x600" and "640x480". But when I try to change, computer freezes.
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19:48<retrospectacus>edenkips: what does /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf contain?
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19:48<retrospectacus>assistencia: did you tried "xrandr -s 1366x768" ?
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19:58<arazta>good morning??
19:58<arazta>soryy im is newbie use linux..
19:59<arazta>can help me??
19:59<retrospectacus>!ask
19:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:07<retrospectacus>well you're all too slow - I have to go help my friend get his truck started. See you tomorrow!
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20:11<assistencia>retrospectacus, yes - "Size 1366x768 not found in available modes"
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20:20<assistencia>retrospectacus, I see screen divided in two: a peace of right side appears at the left side
20:20<assistencia>retrospectacus, a few peace
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20:22<assistencia>retrospectacus, on monitor preferences shows display not recognized.
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20:26<edenkips>assistencia: He left a while ago
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20:28<assistencia>retrospectacus, is there any generic solution?
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20:33<assistencia>what's the command to create xorg.conf file
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20:40<assistencia>retrospectacus, Any solution?
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21:00<sgcb>how do i disable bluetooth + bluetooth indicator on boot
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21:02<junkie>I use rcconf and just uncheck the service
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21:10<sgcb>I had bluetooth disabled in /etc/default/bluetooth, but the indicator light still comes on
21:10<sgcb>I just tried uninstalling bluez completely and restarted, indicator is still lit
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21:13<sgcb>Fn+F2 does turn off the indicator, but that takes out my wifi as well :(
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21:15<sgcb>is there anyway to find out what exactly Fn+F2 does so as to isolate how it turns off bluetooth indicator
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21:16<Akolouthos>hola / hi
21:17<junkie>Not sure but the rcconf program I use disables the service in /etc/init.d/ not sure if that is equivalent to /etc/default/bluetooth
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21:21<sgcb>BLUETOOTH_ENABLED=0 in /etc/default/bluetooth is pretty much equivalent since the init script checks this value
21:22<sgcb>either way though with bluez uninstalled, there is no bluetooth initscript to be started
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21:40<joseph-soares>what do I have to do when I try use a display that was not recognized by system? I mean, resolution doesn't work well
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21:40<t>when is debian going to move to ruby >1.8.7
21:40<scientes>t, debian has already done that
21:40<t>thank god
21:40<t>ive been using rvm
21:41<t>in stable?
21:41<scientes>t, wheezy defaults to ruby 1.9.3, and wheezy+1 will drop ruby 1.8.7
21:41<scientes>wheezy is testing, but it has been frozen and should be released in a few months
21:41<t>ah so its still not in stable ;)
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21:42<scientes>t, BTW ruby1.9.3 is debian is called "1.9.1" cause its binary compatible with 1.9.1
21:42<t>heh
21:42<scientes>and 1.9.2 IS in squeeze
21:42<t>k thanks
21:42<t>ruby is my favorite language
21:43<t>spanks everything else for fun when writing and conciseness
21:43<t>anyway i suppose thats enough offtopicness
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21:43<scientes>ruby in debian is very on-topic
21:43<scientes>there is also the #debian-ruby channel
21:45<t>agreed, but singing rubies' praises isnt i imagine :)
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21:56<joseph-soares>scientes, what does Debian Wheezy has been frozen?
21:56<scientes>!freeze
21:56<dpkg>The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>.
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21:59<joseph-soares>scientes, it means that Debian Wheezy is getting stable, is it?
21:59<scientes>!release
21:59<dpkg>Squeeze was released on 2011-02-06. Squeeze is Debian 6.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, or <lenny->squeeze> to upgrade from Lenny. See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. For updates from the Debian Release Team, see http://release.debian.org/
22:00<scientes>joseph-soares, yes
22:00<scientes>and then squeeze will be "old-stable"
22:00<joseph-soares>scientes, is there any date to release as stable version?
22:00<scientes>no
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22:01<joseph-soares>scientes, I've downloaded a wheezy dvd version, when I burned a media, I couldn't boot from DVD
22:02<scientes>are you on windows?
22:02<joseph-soares>scientes, No
22:02<scientes>ok, you know how to burn an iso right?
22:02<joseph-soares>scientes, Debian Squeeze. Burned with Brasero
22:02<joseph-soares>scientes, Yes, I do
22:03<joseph-soares>scientes, I've done it before
22:03<scientes>you could try the daily builds of debian-installer
22:03<joseph-soares>scientes, I tried from weekly builds
22:04<scientes>ahh yes weekly
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22:05<joseph-soares>scientes, I tested md5sum and it was correct. I burned two DVDs and neither worked
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22:13<joseph-soares>!slushy
22:13<dpkg>When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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22:15<scientes>yeah sounds like a bug
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22:16<joseph-soares>scientes, Have you seen anything?
22:17<scientes>I've seen someone successfully install wheezy
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22:18<joseph-soares>scientes, is it possible to install from ISO, in an external hd instead burn a media? Since I don't have a faster connection, I like to donwload DVD instead just a net-install
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22:19<scientes>joseph-soares, yes, the images will boot from usb if installed directly to them
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22:19<scientes>you can also PXE/netbook, or boot the _netinst_ cd with ubootin (the only image that loads entirely to ram)
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22:21<joseph-soares>scientes, I mean, copy the ISO to a external drive, like a HD without unpack from ISO
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22:21<scientes>using unetbootin, yes
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22:22<joseph-soares>scientes, is it complicated?
22:23<scientes>not really, apt-get install unetbootin
22:23<scientes>i generally dont recommend it however, as it really works better with windows
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22:23<scientes>there are more complicated ways with grub
22:24<scientes>and the very simple way of writing the iso to a usb drive, but that deletes everything on the drive
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22:26<joseph-soares>scientes, I'll try to download dvd and burn again. if it doesn't work, I try unetbootin
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22:26<scientes>joseph-soares, do the squeeze dvd's boot on the same machine?
22:28<joseph-soares>scientes, I've installed (and it booted) wheeze from other dvd image, from begining of the year, but the last week didn't work
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22:30<joseph-soares>scientes, I had problems with wireless card with a DVD ISO, but with a LiveCD worked well
22:30<joseph-soares>scientes, that's the why I think in download this new weekly version
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22:34<joseph-soares>scientes, thanks a lot. I have to go. See ya
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23:07<stag019>[22:57:05] <iimarckus> X -configure should not segfault, and x shouldn't unload the radeon module when you have the graphics card you have
23:07<stag019>[22:57:11] <iimarckus> those are the problems i see, but i have no solution
23:08<stag019>http://pastebin.com/hjtG2Vxd
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23:46<kingsley>How are restored files re-linked when their destination files were previously given new inode numbers by the restore process?
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23:57<rjsalts>kingsley: why does the inode matter?
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23:58<rjsalts>kingsley: you relink the new inode to the place in the file system you want
23:59<kingsley>Maybe I should elaborate.
23:59<kingsley>It seems to me that files are often linked to other files through the later's inode number.
23:59<kingsley>I find myself wondering how that link is re-established when restoring from backup when the destination file was also restored and given a new inode number.
23:59<kingsley>For example:
23:59<kingsley>$ touch file1
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