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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-28

---Logopened Fri Sep 28 00:00:17 2012
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00:29<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps is there an alternative to exceed out there somewhere a X windows for windows xp? https://www.uic.edu/depts/accc/software/exceed/sshexceed.html
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00:34<naufal>hell
00:34<naufal>o
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00:54<ext5>hey all
00:55<ext5>wheezy seem to be stable in testing
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00:56<ext5>absolutley no problem so far
00:57<ext5>will debian have the option to install the btrfs and with encryption?
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01:27<jack>hello
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02:27<jack>hello
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02:28<simonlnu>i imagine you're expecting a reply at some point
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02:33<jack>how to use debian fullier , and which is debian server stronger ?
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02:34<simonlnu>jack: i'm sorry? could you explain what you mean by that?
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02:35<jack>i'm first to use it
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02:36<jack>which serveice of debian is stronger
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02:37<simonlnu>well, there is no "debian server", just a computer that happens to be a server, debian is debian. it's not like ubuntu at all.
02:38<jack>oh
02:39<simonlnu>you install what you need, and that's it. there's something called tasksel to help with that
02:39<simonlnu>!tasksel
02:39<dpkg>tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel
02:40<simonlnu>as for being "stronger", i suspect that's a wrong choice of words and concept. that's more dependent on your hardware, i think ;).
02:41<simonlnu>and how you tweak it, and the software (configuration optimisation, etc.)
02:42<jack>yeah , i know how to use it . thank u , let me have a try !
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02:44<simonlnu>yw, and have fun ;)
02:45<jack>:)
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03:29<EmleyMoor>I'm thinking of using encrypted LVM on my new laptop - any points to watch out for? Can I decrypt it if I put the disk in another machine? (for, say, emergency backup?)
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03:57<morg>Hello! I'm planning to update an old Debian Etch server to Squeeze - should I skip Lenny, or update first to Lenny and then to Squeeze?
03:57<morg>There were no updates on the server for about 4 years...
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03:58<jm_>no, you shall follow release notes for lenny and upgrade, then go to squeeze
03:59<morg>kay, thx!
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05:22<pabs>how do I tell the kernel not to print disk errors to the console?
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05:25<alyosha>hi, i have a problem with extracting .zip and .rar files. For 150mb file it needs about 2-3minutes and this is not normal. Also when it is extracting computer like freazes for that time. I have ubuntu previously on this laptop and it worked just fine.
05:25<alyosha>anyone have any idea?
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05:25<daemonkeeper>pabs: You mean disk errors in particular, or console messages in general?
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05:31<pabs>daemonkeeper: disk in particular, but disabling them all would help. this is a machine with systemd+rsyslog, trying to rescue some stuff off a semi-dead disk with an NTFS partition
05:32<daemonkeeper>pabs: You may just reconfigure rsyslog not to drop emergency messages to the consoles then. It's the *.emerg :omusrmsg:* line
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05:32<pabs>I commented out that line already, no luck
05:32<daemonkeeper>(fancier alternatives below there in comments)
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05:33<daemonkeeper>Did you restart rsyslog since then? >
05:33<pabs>I thought so, maybe systemd is being fail
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05:34<daemonkeeper>Hum, systemd.
05:34<daemonkeeper>Yep, that could be, but my systemd-fu is non-existing.
05:34<pabs>nope. definitely killed rsyslog and they continue :/
05:35<pabs>oh well, will let it spew. worked around it with ssh+screen for now
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05:40<VlanXZ>hi there.. any idea how in bash i can use a word on a text file to use as a variable and check if it matches with another variable?
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05:44<Patagonicus>VlanXZ: Do you want to read a word from a file and compare it to a variable you already have?
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05:46<VlanXZ>Patagonicus; yeah, basically i have to compare the ip address that i can find on a text file (the config of my router) and then i need to check if the DNS resolution for an hostname matches that IP
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05:46<VlanXZ>Sounds simple but i'm a noob to bash
05:48<Patagonicus>VlanXZ: Hmm, ok, three steps then: extract IP from text file, extract IP vom dns resolution and compare them. I'd make a function for the first two and stuff them in an "if". Does the text file only contain the ip or is there more in it?
05:49<VlanXZ>Patagonicus: unfortunately there's more since i cannot have my router to tell me less info
05:49<VlanXZ>Patagonicus: if you want i can pastebin the output
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05:50<Patagonicus>VlanXZ: Yes, that would help
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05:52<VlanXZ>Patagonicus: just a sec :)
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05:55<jm_>!printk.console
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05:55<dpkg>printk is probably see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel)
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06:40<feam>weres abrotman
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06:43<feam>abrotman
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06:51<SynrG>feam: there are lots of able helpers here. just ask your question.
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06:52<feam>ok
06:52<feam>SynrG: debian better than archlinus ?
06:53<SynrG>i can't imagine you could get an objective opinion on that here. just tell us what you're looking for and maybe we can help
06:53<diederik>what answer do you expect on a _debian_ channel? ;)
06:54<SynrG>s/opinion/assessment/
06:54<babilen>Debian is clearly better
06:54<SynrG>without a doubt
06:54<heikkila>much better
06:54<SynrG>in all ways
06:55<babilen>!tell feam -about why debian
06:55<babilen>feam: Try both and stay with whatever you like best. I've picked Debian some time ago and really don't regret my choice at all.
06:56<feam>babilen: you tried arch too ?
06:56<feam>babilen: whys it better?
06:56<SynrG>why don't you try both and find out?
06:57<feam>but how do i find which is better?
06:57<SynrG>i think the factoid babilen just had dpkg bot send you covers debian's strengths
06:57<feam>isn't it better to ask the experts?
06:57<babilen>feam: What we are trying to say: It is impossible to say which one is better as you have to decide that yourself and we don't know what is important for you. All I can say is: Debian is an excellent choice
06:58<SynrG>feam: experts at what? at choosing distributions? i consider myself an expert at developing and using debian, period. this leaves me little time for anything else.
06:58<feam>babilen: but debian is hard when it comes to _modifying_ software and compiling ? apt-get gets confused ?
06:58<SynrG>feam: i have never found a compelling reason to leave debian since i started using it around 1995
06:59<SynrG>feam: only if you fight against the packaging system instead of working with it.
06:59<feam>SynrG: last time i used debian was in 2010 or so, when it was Debian 5
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06:59<feam>SynrG: now I use archlinux
06:59<babilen>!tell feam -about usrlocal
06:59<babilen>!tell feam -about stow usage
07:00<babilen>!tell feam -about package recompile
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07:00<feam>babilen: whaty's debian stable? cause it uses old kernel 2.6? i could just compile it on arch too
07:00<babilen>feam: Try Debian and ask if you have a *specific* problem. Debian certainly doesn't make it hard, but there is IMHO no reason to compile everything. Arch is, however, a much thinner veneer over whatever upstream ships.
07:01<feam>why's*
07:01<babilen>!tell feam -about stable
07:01<babilen>feam: stable == not changing
07:01<babilen>bbl
07:01<SynrG>feam: and no, "because it uses an old kernel" has nothing to do with it. again, the factoid babilen sent explains it better.
07:01<jm_>feam: it's easy to install 3.2 kernel from backports though
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07:02<feam>i remember last time i used debian, i went for squeeze ( i think it was "testing"), 2nd day i turned on my system, it said my hard drive is full
07:03<SynrG>it is pretty hard at a two year remove to assess what went wrong there. all i can say is, we're a fairly responsive, helpful bunch. if and when you do run into issues, debian's support is excellent.
07:04<SynrG>no distribution is immune to bugs. especially in prereleases.
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07:05<feam>well, your support sounds better imo, i'm idleing in #archlinux atm and it's like the developers themseleves are trolls
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07:05<SynrG>certainly debian's excellent support ranks high on the list of reasons *i* stay with debian
07:06<feam>it seems you like debian so much, care to elleborate? i like the name "Debian" it just rocks
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07:07<feam>!gcc
07:07<dpkg>methinks gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, see http://gcc.gnu.org/ . In order to change which version it should use, "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. See also <gcc-doc>.
07:08<SynrG>i like the radical commitment to freedom, yet the allowance for non-free when there's absolutely no alternative. i like the generalness of the OS, not being wholly desktop-centric. i like that debian gives you tons of choies.
07:08<SynrG>choices*
07:08<feam>SynrG: what's the current gcc version in debian repos ?
07:08<SynrG>,version gcc
07:08<judd>Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.1-1; sid: 4:4.7.2-1
07:09<jm_>note that those are only the default versions, there are also gcc-foo packages with other versions available
07:09<SynrG>indeed
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07:16<feam>SynrG: just wondering, which codename do you use at home?
07:17<feam>!wheezy
07:17<dpkg>The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org.
07:17<feam>!sid
07:17<dpkg>i guess sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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07:18<feam>lol
07:18<heikkila>feam, you can talk in private with the bot: /msg dpkg <some factoid>
07:18<feam>yes i know
07:19<Pitxyoki>http://brunomiguel.net/v2/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/YnTjt.jpg
07:19<Pitxyoki>
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07:22<SynrG>feam: squeeze, wheezy and sid. depends on what the system is used for.
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07:23<SynrG>feam: my personal choice of distribution is probably not useful to help you decide, as i'm a debian developer.
07:23<SynrG>(that is, my needs are probably quite different from yours)
07:24<SynrG>that being said, irc support for users running testing or sid has recently improved and expanded with the creation of the #debian-next support channel
07:24<feam>SynrG: it's not helping me decide, if i were to go i'd go for wheezy/sid because of the gcc version lol
07:24<SynrG>if you're intrigued, join the channel and read the FAQ in the channel topic
07:24<feam>i'm there already since the bot said it
07:25<SynrG>k
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07:36<toni_>hi
07:36<toni_>I'm using debian stable
07:37<toni_>the question is: I have an american keyboard.. how to write letters like: à è é etc etc ?
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07:37<jm_>you could rely on compose key
07:37<toni_>what's compose key?
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07:38<jm_>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key
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07:39<toni_>and how to set that?
07:39<toni_>which programs should I run?
07:39<jm_> Option "XkbOptions" "compose:rwin"
07:39<jm_>does the trick for me in xorg.conf
07:40<toni_>and how to set the combination keys?
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07:40<jm_>what combination keys?
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07:41<babilen>toni_: Please run "dpkg-reconfigue keyboard-configuration" and make sure that you have 'compose:menu'" in the options (compose is menu key) -- Do you use Gnome? If you do you can configure the compose key in the "Keyboard" settings in gnome-control-center
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07:42<jm_>if you mean which keys to press you can find a part of it here http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html
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07:48<toni_>ok in gnome it seems to work
07:48<toni_>what about in terminal (for example in control alt f1)?
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07:49<jm_>see if dpkg-reconfigure command (see above) helps with it
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07:50<jm_>otherwise loading something like us-intl will also help there
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08:22<dragondon>greetings all. Odd issue, I installed ircii and yet I can't start it. despite synaptic showing it installed, it is not in any menu (obviously) and typing ircii (or sudo ircii) evokes "bash: ircii: command not found" so what am I missing?
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08:25<dragondon>ugh...really....just type in 'irc'....wow....and it took way to long, let alone that I had to at all, searching to find that!..
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08:26<jm_>dragondon: dpkg -L pgname is useful :)
08:26<jm_>pkgname*
08:26<dragondon>thanks jm_
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08:28<jm_>dragondon: no worries
08:29<louis_>When using AptPreferences can I then use more releases w/ the sane priority entry like "Pin: release a=stable,squeeze"?
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09:19<toni_>do you know how to type this char with us keyboard in linux?
09:19<toni_>symbol: §
09:19<toni_>I can't find it
09:20<daemonkeeper>It's not there. You need to define a shortcut yourself if you want it.
09:20<daemonkeeper>US keyboards do not use § as you noted :)
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09:20<themill><compose> <s> <o> → § is the default mapping (also <o> <s>)
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09:22<SynrG>!tell toni_ -about compose
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09:22<toni_>ok
09:22<toni_>thanks
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09:25<babilen>toni_: You really want to configure that in /etc/default/keyboard (by running "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration"). If you, for example, want to use the menu key (between the ALT GR and CTRL key on the right) you need 'compose:menu' in there. Are you using a desktop environment such as GNOME?
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09:26<toni_>yes, at the moment I'm using gnome
09:26<toni_>but I prefer to use twm
09:26<toni_>when I need X
09:26<toni_>otherwise console
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09:27<babilen>toni_: Alright, for twm the /etc/default/keyboard confiuration is fine, but I am sure that you can configure which key is used as compose key in gnome-control-center → Keyboard → Layout
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09:28<toni_>yes, in gnome it works well
09:28<babilen>wonderful
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11:21<skeksis>Hey all, is someone able to give me a hand to get wireless working on Debian Squeeze? I've already worked through the WiFi wiki on Debian.org but have had no luck
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11:23<skeksis>lshw is telling me that the wireless adapter is "Unclaimed" although visible through the lspci and lshw in the command line
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11:23<daemonkeeper>You miss the driver.
11:23<nounours44>hallo
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11:23<daemonkeeper>You are most likely missing a firmware to get it operational.
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11:24<feam>abrotman !!
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11:24<haiman>hi
11:24<skeksis>That's what I thought, but I've followed everything I can find to ensure the correct drivers are installed
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11:27<abrotman>hi ?
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11:30<feam>abrotman: u have internet ? and can help me out real quick ?
11:31<nevyn>skeksis: what card is it?
11:31<nevyn>skeksis: what's lspci say?
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11:33<skeksis>nevyn: lspci = Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
11:33<nevyn>!rtl8188
11:33<dpkg>For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>.
11:33<nevyn>!rtl8188ce
11:33<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
11:34<nevyn>!tell skeksis about realtek firmware
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11:35<diederik>squeeze has 2.6.32, so he probably also needs the bpo kernel (I think)
11:35<skeksis>The PCI devices on wiki.debian.org suggest that "rtl8192ce
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11:36<skeksis>Sorry... - module is required for my wireless card
11:36<nevyn>skeksis: you almost certainly don't require a module
11:36<skeksis>Gah
11:37<nevyn>you almost certainly only require firmware
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11:37<skeksis>Righty o, gimme a tick to have another dig around
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11:38<nevyn>skeksis: did you read what the bot said?
11:38<skeksis>I did indeed
11:38<nevyn>what kernel are you running?
11:39<skeksis>2.6.32-5-amd64
11:39<nevyn>!bdo kernel
11:39<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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11:41<nevyn>skeksis: ^^
11:42<skeksis>Thanks, I'm having a look at that now
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11:47<nevyn>you still need to sort firmware as well.
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11:48<skeksis>Will that just be a case of fiddling about with realtek-firmware?
11:48<nevyn>you just need to install realtek-firmware and a newer kernel
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11:49<skeksis>Ah excellent, I'll have a look into that then. Thank you
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12:07<rgms>Hi. I need to reformat the date from mm/dd/yy to yyyy-mm-dd. I have a file full SQL queries with dates that need to be reformatted. Any help?
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12:07<rgms>think sed would be my weapon of choice, but don't really know how to use it.
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12:08<retrospectacus>rgms: ask ##sed on irc.freenode.net - they'll be all over that
12:08<rgms>that'll do :)
12:08<rgms>thank you
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12:17<xbird>heloo
12:18<xbird>debian is very very bad OS
12:18<xbird>other think ?
12:19<xbird>?
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12:21<weasel>.oO( xbird is very very bad troll. me think. :)
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12:32<perlwizard>other think: debian is very very good OS
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12:34<sakthivel>hi
12:34<sakthivel>jjl
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12:34<Maulkin>!ask
12:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:02<lacrosse1991>hello, what would be the best way to "permanently" connect a local debian machine to a remote debian machine in order to make it appear as just another machine on the remote
13:02<lacrosse1991>network?
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13:02<retrospectacus>an ethernet cable
13:02<lacrosse1991>was thinking a reverse ssh tunnel, although someone else has mentioned using tun/tap as well
13:02<lacrosse1991>well the machines are about 150 miles apart
13:02<retrospectacus>what do you need to do
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13:03<retrospectacus>,i autossh
13:03<judd>Package autossh (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Automatically restart SSH sessions and tunnels. Version: 1.4b-4; Size: 28.7k; Installed: 136k; Homepage: http://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/
13:03<retrospectacus>maybe that
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13:04<lacrosse1991>would take some saving up to aquire enough ethernet cable lol
13:04<lacrosse1991>thanks, although would utilizing tun/tap provide a more stable/robust connection?
13:04<retrospectacus>luckily there is probably a network connecting them already
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13:05<bishal>any one there???????????
13:05<retrospectacus>yes bishal , hundreds
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13:05<lacrosse1991>mainly trying to make it so i can access the local machine while im not in the local network (its behind a firewall that has all ports closed by default)
13:05<bishal>can u guys plz tell me how to install grub manually???
13:06<lacrosse1991>so that way i can just connect to/from the remote network, and then be able to access the machine behind the strict firewall
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13:06<retrospectacus>lacrosse1991: man ssh, see the -R option and its caveats
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13:07<bishal>i mean by step by step
13:07<retrospectacus>!tell bishal about fixmbr
13:07<lacrosse1991>yep im already aware of using that option, was just wondering what you guys thought about using tun/tap for this sort of thing :)
13:09<retrospectacus>nothing, ssh -R is all I've ever needed/tried
13:09<lacrosse1991>cool, do you think that would work well for a persistant setup?
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13:11<retrospectacus>try that autossh thing
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13:11<retrospectacus>I haven't but let us know how it goes
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13:13<lacrosse1991>will do, thanks for the advice again too!
13:13<retrospectacus>sure
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13:18<bishal>anyone who can tell how to install boot folder only in my linux system?
13:18<bishal>manually
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13:19<retrospectacus>bishal: the dpkg robot already told you in another window/tab
13:20<retrospectacus>bishal: if that's not helping you, describe your problem in more detail
13:20<bishal>ya but i am not satisfied with that ans any othe way plz
13:20<retrospectacus>no
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13:22<bishal>ok tell me how to enter linux scystem without giving grub password?
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13:23<retrospectacus>dpkg told you how
13:23<dpkg>no idea, retrospectacus
13:23<Maulkin>bishal: you're asking how to do tasks. Could you start with telling us what the problem is please?
13:24<retrospectacus>bishal: don't message me
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13:27<bishal>problem is when i install linux in my pc the grafical mode doesn't open. It says grub rescue.
13:27<bishal>So i stuck there. Any help will be helpful
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13:30<retrospectacus>bishal: don't message me
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13:31<retrospectacus>bishal: if you had just said that in the first place, we could tell you, grub is not related to your problem
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13:34<bishal>then what it is? Solution plz
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13:37<retrospectacus>probably a video driver issue.
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13:39<bishal>thnx retrospectacus i am new to linux so have little knoeledge about it.
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13:44<arele>güenas
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13:49<metallica>Mola
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13:56<vikas>hiiii
13:57<retrospectacus>hello
13:58<vikas>what is this thing i am new for it]
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13:59<retrospectacus>IRC is a very old and still popular chatting protocol. You can read about it on Wikipedia
13:59<retrospectacus>vikas: this channel ("room") is for debian support.
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14:14<manuel>hola
14:14<manuel>alguien q hable español
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14:15<daemonkeeper>!es
14:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:16<manuel>no se donde
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14:18<manuel>#debian-es con /join #debian-es
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14:18<manuel>aaahhhhhhhhh no le entiendo ya m voy
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14:18<daemonkeeper>Whatever.
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14:19<retrospectacus>jejeje
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14:31<Pedro>hi
14:32<retrospectacus>hi Pedro
14:33<Pedro>hi
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14:35<retrospectacus>Pedro: do you have a debian question?
14:35<Pedro>yes
14:35<retrospectacus>!ask
14:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:36<Pedro>i haven´t got a problem
14:37<debdog>would you like to have one?
14:37<retrospectacus>Pedro: just ask your question then, and don't message me.
14:38<Silence->I wonder how many hours are spent per year in IRC help channels, trying to figure out what people want, and trying to get them to express that.
14:38<Silence->We need a help channel for that, too.
14:38<retrospectacus>a brazillion
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14:38<Pedro>hello
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14:39<Pedro>i havent got a question
14:40<Pedro>hello is necesary spike witj retrospectacus
14:41<Silence->retrospectacus: Probably. :)
14:41<Silence->Pedro: ...
14:41<Silence->!ask
14:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:41<Pedro>nooo
14:41<Silence->Pedro: So you don't have a question? Ok.
14:41<Pedro>are you a computer
14:43<daemonkeeper>Why don't you all just wait until people actually raise their voice?
14:43<Pedro>what i have a question
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14:45<Pedro>hello
14:45<Silence->daemonkeeper: See? ;)
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14:45<Pedro>yess
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14:47<crd>Pedro: http://irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html#Behave
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14:58<GreenJim>Hi everybody.
14:58<GreenJim>I have a question about apt pinning
14:59<daemonkeeper>!pinning
14:59<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
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15:00<GreenJim>To mix testing and unstable, some doc's recommends 2 entries to fix testing and unstable priorities, other just say to fix unstable priority to 100, lower than testing.
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15:00<GreenJim>What do you think about it ? What is your experience ?
15:01<daemonkeeper>The actual question is: WHY do you want to mix Testing and Stable?
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15:02<GreenJim>I want to test new programs like exaile. It does not come to testing because of the freeze.
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15:02<GreenJim>Mixing testing and unstable is an option.
15:02<GreenJim>Something else to propose ?
15:02<daemonkeeper>Pinning never is a good answer. If your only purpose is to test a package, make a chroot.
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15:04<GreenJim>And if I want to use it after the test ?
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15:05<GreenJim>Mixing testing and unstable is just speeding up a little bit the release process.
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15:05<GreenJim>and the suggestion comes from a Debian dev'
15:06<GreenJim>Oops ! I do not want to mix testing and stable BUT testing and UNstable.
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15:08<daemonkeeper>Well, do as you want. Don't say I didn't warn you. The answer is what you suggested indeed, rank Testing higher than Unstable but for the packages you want from Unstable.
15:08<vimes>I want to access my other computer using openssh but I have no idea what I'm doing. I have openssh installed but how do I find out what the computer is called for sshing it?
15:08<daemonkeeper>You use the IP.
15:08<daemonkeeper>Or their hostnames, if you have a working DNS setup.
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15:09<vimes>so I'm on a netbook and I'm trying to get to my computer connected to the same router
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15:10<daemonkeeper>Yes, use ssh the.ip.of.that.computer
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15:10<vimes_>ok <this message sent from target computer>
15:11<GreenJim>and on the computer you want to reach, the command <ip addr sho> will display configured IPs
15:11<GreenJim>you can also add an entry to /etc/hosts to associate the IP with a name; if the IP to reach is a fixed one.
15:12<GreenJim>on your netbook, I mean.
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15:12<daemonkeeper>Modern routers can assign hostnames through DNS using a local zone.
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15:14<vimes_>um...ok brb
15:15<GreenJim>is it clear ? does it help ?
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15:16<vimes_>I...well I ran the command and I don't understand what its saying
15:16<vimes_>shall I post the output?
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15:17<GreenJim>no; the output starting with inet is the one you should look.
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15:17<GreenJim>It gives you the IP address (second field)
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15:18<GreenJim>on a local net, you usually get something like 192.168.x.x
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15:18<GreenJim>how many interfaces do you see ?
15:19<vimes_>I have 4 machines listed
15:19<vimes_>2 of them are probably mine
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15:19<vimes_>and only 2 of them have the i net thing
15:20<vimes_>127.0.0.1/8 and 192.168.2.50/24
15:20<GreenJim>without inet thing, they are probably not configured; and 192.168.2.50 is the IP of a local subnet.
15:20<GreenJim>are you running this on your netbook ?
15:21<vimes_>oh no sorry, I did it on the target machine
15:21<vimes>here I am on the netbook
15:21<GreenJim>for info, 127.0.0.1 is your localnet interface
15:21<GreenJim>OK, run it on the PC you want to reach via SSH
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15:22<GreenJim>And, on your netbook, try <ssh 192.168.2.x> with x = what you will see as IP on the target PC.
15:24<vimes>I ran the command but I don't know which line contains the IP of my target computer
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15:24<GreenJim>you should find an IP in the same networl, meaning something like 192.168.2.x/24
15:25<GreenJim>did you run this on the target computer ?
15:25<vimes>both
15:26<vimes>this is what I get on the netbook:
15:26<vimes>3: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP qlen 1000
15:26<vimes> link/ether 48:5d:60:25:6a:0e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
15:26<vimes> inet 192.168.2.40/24 brd 192.168.2.255 scope global wlan0
15:26<GreenJim>OK; so, on the netbook, try <ssh 192.168.2.50>
15:27<vimes>ok
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15:28<vimes>I think its working, thank you very much
15:28<vimes>its not accepting the password I thought I gave it but I'll see what I can do
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15:29<GreenJim>OK; have a nice evening. I'll leave in a few minutes.
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15:29<vimes>thanks, you as well
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15:30<GreenJim>a last trick: <ssh -v 192.168.2.50> will run it in verbose mode. You can check like this if your authentication works or not.
15:31<GreenJim>Very usefull.
15:31<vimes>ok I'll try that
15:31<GreenJim>Just do not be affraid with the output ;-)
15:33<vimes>heh, I don't understand most of it so I'll be ok
15:34<vimes>can I assume the password that I chose for root on the target machine is the one I should use to access it via ssh?
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15:34<vimes>because its repeatedly refusing it
15:34<GreenJim>Yes; but usually, the sshd config does not allow root access via SSH.
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15:35<GreenJim>Try first with a "normal" user.
15:35<vimes>I was just thinking that
15:35<vimes>I've done ssh often before but on other peoples servers, not my own
15:36<vimes>YES
15:36<GreenJim>Check the line containing <PermitRootLogin> in your sshd_config file on the target server to know if root login is enable or not.
15:37<vimes>its not but I just logged on with the normal account, thank you very much
15:37<GreenJim>exact path is /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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15:37<GreenJim>OK, fine ! Congratulation !
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15:37<GreenJim>:-)
15:37<vimes>and I can just access root with sudo su from here, thank you very much
15:38<GreenJim>my advice: never use <sudo su>, just use sudo if you really need to extend your privileges.
15:38<GreenJim>i.e. <sudo mycommand>
15:39<GreenJim>use a "normal" user; in most of the case, you do not need root priv'
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15:40<GreenJim>!pinning
15:40<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
15:40<vimes>I've heard that advice and instead I abuse the root account liberally at all times, have done for months. I'll try to cut back...
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15:41<vimes>I guess it would cause security vunrubilities if I ran some programs as root?
15:42<GreenJim>Usually, you stop using root account when you trash your system by just typing the wrong command; usually, it is too late. I hope you have a good backup.
15:43<GreenJim>I did it once; since then, I use my personnal account in stead of root one.
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15:44<GreenJim>Anyway, have fun ! See you;
15:44<vimes>thanks again, bye
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16:04<Rampage>hi,i have a problem with pppoe connection..i use eth1 for isp connection (dhcp) and eth0 for lan network.....when i up ppp0 connection my routing table not working..how i can't resolve this problem..he change my routing table and change my dns settings on /etc/resolve.conf and f**k my connection to internet
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16:09<Rampage>anyone can help me
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16:13<siddy>does anyone use skype here?
16:13<retrospectacus>Rampage: more details might help, or try #networking on irc.freenode.net
16:13<vimes>Rampage I can not help. I am insufficiently skilled.
16:13<retrospectacus>siddy: yes
16:14<vimes>Can I lock the screen of a machine via ssh?
16:14<Rampage>maybe my english is dump ;)
16:14<siddy>well, I have a few questions about it... also, one question that is not support-related
16:15<siddy>I am wondering (not support) which headset to get... because there are two varieties?
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16:15<Rampage>can u give me example conf of pppoe and /etc/network/interfaces file ?
16:15<vimes>ha, I'm afraid you lost me on "DNS" (I know what the acrynm is but so what?) and "routing table".
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16:15<siddy>just domain name server
16:16<retrospectacus>Rampage: no experience with pppoe here but read http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE, that might help you
16:16<siddy>you have other computers on your network, rampage?
16:16<Rampage>retrospectacus,thanks
16:16<Rampage>yes
16:17<Rampage>i use this machine for routing and connect 3-4 pcs
16:17<Rampage>to internet
16:17<Rampage>i have simple problem with routing table when up ppp0 interface
16:17<siddy>I don't know if there's a change for a conflict but...
16:17<Rampage>no no
16:17<siddy>*change -> chance
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16:17<Rampage>no conflict
16:18<retrospectacus>siddy: I recommend non-usb (normal mic and speaker connections) for a headset
16:18<Rampage>just settings problem
16:18<Rampage>but can't search him
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16:19<retrospectacus>vimes: yes, with a command like "DISPLAY=:0 xdg-screensaver lock"
16:19<siddy>Circumaural or Supra-aural?
16:19<siddy>why non-usb?
16:19<retrospectacus>whatever you like
16:19<siddy>is there usb problems when using that kind?
16:20<retrospectacus>non-usb will "just work" - usb may or may not
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16:20<vimes>HAHA, cheers retrospectacus
16:20<retrospectacus>enjoy :P
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16:34<sberla>hello
16:35<sberla> I have a question to ask yourself
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16:36<sberla>of motorola Razr i
16:36<sberla>is possibile install debian ?
16:36<sberla>CPU is intel
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16:38<waldo22>I need help logging in to my Debian box
16:39<sberla>hello waldo22
16:39<waldo22>The clock was wrong, I couldn't figure out the syntax for the date command, so I logged out
16:39<waldo22>when I tried to log back in, xfce inexplicably asked me to "change my Unix password"
16:39<waldo22>I did, and now it won't accept it
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16:39<retrospectacus>waldo22: log in a root and install ntp
16:40<waldo22>thanks, but I can't log in as root
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16:40<waldo22>It asked me to change my password when I tried to log in as root
16:40<waldo22>I did, and now the old password and new password both don't work
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16:42<retrospectacus>well, reboot into rescue mode, reset the password and install ntp I guess
16:42<Nemoder>http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-reset-debian-root-password.html
16:42<waldo22>Thanks
16:42<waldo22>how the hell did that happen?
16:43<waldo22>I've never been aske to "reset my Unix password" before
16:43<retrospectacus>man passwd
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16:44<Schuyler>hello. I'm having an issue with pbuilder -- when I run pdebuild, it doesn't seem to be getting the DEBBUILDOPTS from my ~/.pbuilderrc
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16:44<Schuyler>I'm running version 0.199 on Ubuntu Oneiric
16:44<Schuyler>(I'm assuming this is not some Ubuntu specific issue)
16:45<kop>!ubuntu
16:45<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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16:45<kop>!tell Schuyler about ubuntuirc
16:45<Schuyler>so you're saying "take it to Ubuntu because the Debian project built these tools but you're not running Debian"
16:45<Schuyler>seriously?
16:45<retrospectacus>of course
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16:46<kop>Schuyler: Seriously. We don't know ubuntu. You wouldn't ask the linux kernel people about how to boot linux on debian. You'd ask debian.
16:46<Schuyler>OH SORRY I'M RUNNING IT ON DEBIAN SID
16:46<Schuyler>what a silly mistake I've made!
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16:46<Schuyler>seriously, if I said I was running on Debian, would you offer suggestions then?
16:46<Schuyler>or are you guys just being dicks?
16:46<waldo22>Schuyler, I AM running debian, and I just got told to RTFM. I'm out
16:47<retrospectacus>Schuyler: yes
16:47<kop>waldo22: Your old password expired because your clock was wrong. So, expired.
16:47<Schuyler>retrospectacus: do you actually know anything about pbuilder?
16:47<retrospectacus>me? no, why?
16:47<Schuyler>ok, so you are just being a dick. just wondering.
16:48<retrospectacus>I am? what did I say?
16:48<Schuyler>thanks for nothing, guys. sorry to waste your time. and mine.
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16:48<kop>Schuyler: No. We're here to support debian. Not to help anybody who happens to come along.
16:48<waldo22>Thanks kop, I figured that, but I wasn't aware that my password was set to expire.
16:48<ompaul>,versions pbuilder
16:48<judd>Package: pbuilder on i386 -- lenny: 0.181; squeeze: 0.199+nmu1squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.210~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.211; sid: 0.212
16:48<kop>waldo22: I've no clue about that. But it can be.
16:48<waldo22>All I was trying to do was su to root so I could update the f(&(&ing clock, it asked me to change the password, so I did, and now it doesn't work
16:49<ompaul>waldo22: so reset it as per Nemoder's link and then lets look at the clock
16:49<waldo22>I can't log in as a user, I can't log in as root, and we're open for business, so now I have to dig up a copy of the CD
16:49<waldo22>I went into the BIOS and reset the clock
16:49<ompaul>just so you have the link http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-reset-debian-root-password.html
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16:50<kop>waldo22: It could be the on-board battery is dead and your clock went wonky. Also, your hardware clock may be in UTC time. (That's normal/sane.) So you need to pay attention to that when resetting the bios clock.
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16:51<waldo22>Thanks, missed the link
16:51<waldo22>I'll try that
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17:01<waldo22>Thanks a lot for the link, had to modify the instructions for Grub2, but it worked just fine
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17:16<antgel>hi all, do we think that "load average: 1.46, 1.21, 1.33" on this dual core athlon 64 x2 5200+ desktop that has been sitting there not doing much in the last half an hour is acceptable, or is it time to upgrade or search for what is using so much CPU?
17:17<antgel>i have chrome (chromium) open with about 15 tabs
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17:17<antgel>apart from that, not much to report, wicd, pulseaudio, audacious
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17:17<antgel>oops, wrong channel i meant #hardware. but feel free to answer, it's a #debian machine :D
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20:59<Guest8560>hi Maria
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22:04<cockroach>hey! small question, if i may: it seems my nickname has been registered on nickserv and was last used in 2005 - is there some way to take it over?
22:05<cockroach>also gah, wrong window
22:05<cockroach>sorry 'bout that :)
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22:30<buddha>How do I control what the default app is for opening folders? I installed openbox and everytime I right click on a file in transmission and say SHOW IN FOLDER it opens it up in chromium-browser instead of PCMANFM.
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22:45<laz>Hiya
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22:48<buddha>laz, hiya
22:49<laz>Could someone supply a link to documentation detailing the install and setup of Nvidia drivers? My crappy monitor doesn't work right with any FOSS drivers :(
22:51<laz>The FOSS drivers always leave at least an inch wide border of black around the viewable screen
22:51<buddha>laz, this helped me. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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22:51<buddha>Anyone know how to change the default folder handler?
22:52<laz>reading now buddha
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22:57<laz>apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common
22:57<laz>woops. mt
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22:59<laz>Buddha, thanks for the link. I am trying some stuff now
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23:00<laz>After years of Gentoo, Debian is very strange to me.
23:03<buddha>laz, no prob
23:04<buddha>laz, After years of Debian everything is strange to me. I was used to gnome, but I've begun using OPENBOX and it's like learning all over again.
23:06<laz>Yeah, I am an LXDE fanboy (at least for this month) and was a KDE user before they made KDE4 into bloatware
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23:08<laz>brb after X restart...I hope
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23:09<buddha>I just switched from LXDE to OPEN BOX. Quite a difference
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