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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-29

---Logopened Sat Sep 29 00:00:18 2012
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00:04<RandomDude>Hello. Can I get help installing the ATI driver for my Mobility Radeon 5470 on Wheezy?
00:07<cockroach>!ask
00:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:12<cthuluh_> /26
00:13<cthuluh_>ah, well...
00:13<cockroach>huh?
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00:13<cthuluh_>poor cockroach
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00:39<andromedas>could someone help me with ATI drivers for wheezy? When I had squeeze installed I followed the ATI proprietary steps on the Debian wiki, and it worked fine; but as I search the internet it seems like fglrx doesn't work for wheezy? I don't understand why it wouldn't if it's the same computer and card. Gnome3 will only start in fallback mode since I lack that driver
00:39<andromedas>I tried installing fglrx using apt but it said my card is unsupported
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00:56<andromedas>welp thanks for all the help
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03:13<vimes>How do I open a folder using "xdg-open ." on ssh, such that the folder will display on the sshing computer, not the target server?
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03:42<Parker>hi this is my first chat
03:43<Parker>how are you
03:45<devil>Parker: this is a support channel, not chit chat
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03:46<Parker>i am just 14
03:46<devil>it is still a support channel
03:46<Parker>i don't know how to int my self
03:48<devil>Parker: go to #mocows, there you can chat
03:48<Parker>i am using ubuntu 12.04
03:48<devil>and this is debian
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03:59<knoppix_>hello
03:59<chuxxsss>hi Knoppixs
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03:59<Guest8588>anybody may tell good program to chat on multiple accounts?
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04:01<devil>kopete,
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04:55<fixer>hello, I need some help
04:55<melmothX>!ask
04:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:56<fixer>ok
04:56<fixer>I have a problem wit my dirty diaper
04:56<fixer>my diaper has a load of shit in it, can you change me?
04:56<fixer>whoopsie too slow, cant gline me
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05:54<feam>curios, whys gnome 2 still in squeeze repos? are there guys who take care of it ?
05:54<feam>,version gnome
05:54<judd>Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.4+2; wheezy: 1:3.4+2
05:54<daemonkeeper>Because this is how Stable works?
05:54<feam>yeah but
05:54<daemonkeeper>No but :)
05:55<feam>i mean like, is it updated?
05:55<feam>i cant explain uhmm
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05:55<daemonkeeper>Stable won't change over time. Package versions and features are frozen over the entire life span of Stable.
05:55<feam>...
05:55<daemonkeeper>As you can see, Wheezy or Sid has Gnome 3.
05:55<feam>is there a way to install gnome 2 on wheezy/sid
05:56<daemonkeeper>No.
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05:56<feam>i want gcc 4.7.1+ but i dont want a fucking non productive enviroment like gnome 3
05:56<feam>and i cba kde etc
05:56<feam>it looks like dogshit nowadays
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05:57<planetmaker>you could simply ask "is there a way to install gnome2 on wheezy" instead of the abusive verbal diarrhoa...
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05:58<feam>i did earlier if you didnt notice but unforunately no way ...
05:58<daemonkeeper>feam: Gnome 2 is dead upstream.
05:58<feam>i know but it's best linux desktop
05:58<feam>i'd rather use awesome WM
05:58<daemonkeeper>You say.
05:58<feam>than using any of the available ones atm
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06:01<feam>daemonkeeper: it's known, gnome 3 is terrible
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06:02<daemonkeeper>Right, I forgot, there is only Gnome out there and everyone must agree with your tastes.
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06:02<feam>it's not only me
06:04<planetmaker>tbh, I had that opinion from all I read. Until I just installed defaults. Gnome 3 surprisingly works well. With the rare rough edge
06:05<daemonkeeper>I also hear, there are one or two lost souls out there not using Gnome at all. And another one liking Gnome 3.
06:05<planetmaker>of course there are. For what it's worth, I'm using KDE one one, gnome on the other machine ;-)
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06:06<planetmaker>gnome has a surprising similarity of how an OSX GUI works
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06:10*rockon things Cnome needs a designing-team
06:11*rockon Gnome*** even
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06:24<pixed>LIST
06:27<pixed>hello
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06:27<szaboi>hi
06:27<pixed>oh ,hi
06:27<szaboi>goot to see that there are still IRC users yay!!!
06:28<pixed>i'm trying it out
06:28<szaboi>:D
06:28<pixed>i'm a beginner and have to figure out how the commands work
06:28<pixed>;-)
06:28<daemonkeeper>Commands start with a slash.
06:28<daemonkeeper>!irc primer
06:28<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
06:29<pixed>thank you
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06:36<ga>lozaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
06:37<ga>fozaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
06:37<ga>mandozaaaaaaaaaa!!!
06:37<ga>tena loooozaaaaaaaaaaa
06:37<ga>tsy hay hoe ahoana aaaaaaaaaaaaa
06:37<ga>fa tena moana aaaaaaaaaaa
06:37<ga>tsy mahateny fa gina aaaaaaaaaa
06:38<daemonkeeper>!ops ga is a spammer -^
06:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: daemonkeeper complains about: ga is a spammer -^
06:38<ga>mampitady miaramila
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06:43<lay>hi! is someone there?
06:44<daemonkeeper>Evidence shows, you are.
06:44<SynrG>but pull another stunt like that and you won't be
06:44<lay>Ganneff, debhelper, you're connected?
06:45<SynrG>this is a debian support channel. if you have a debian support question, please ask.
06:45<lay>ok! and i can ask any question?
06:46<lay>can i have some information about debian?
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06:50<animateur>what are you doing now?
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07:13<EmleyMoor>Are there any wheezy installer ISO images smaller than 175MB?
07:14<EmleyMoor>(for amd64)
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07:15<Maulkin>EmleyMoor: Probably business card...
07:15<EmleyMoor>Maulkin: Seems not to exist
07:15<Maulkin>EmleyMoor: Thoguh you'll need to download extra data when you install anyway
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07:15<EmleyMoor>No problem - this is a tried and tested thing I'm doing but a bit knackered for space
07:16<Maulkin>Oh, wheezy? Not sure
07:16<central>hello all
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07:30<dutchfish>hi, i just found out that gcc-4.5-base is removed from testing, do i need special precautions before removing it from my local install base? and what will be wheezy's version on release?
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07:32<dutchfish>see also http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-4.5.html
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07:32<daemonkeeper>dutchfish: No, and 4.7.
07:32<dutchfish>daemonkeeper, clear, and thank you.
07:32<daemonkeeper>Actually, it also includes 4.6 and 4.4
07:33<daemonkeeper>Which made 4.5 quite useless.
07:33<dutchfish>daemonkeeper, yup, i figured that out just yet
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07:33<dutchfish>thanks again
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07:34<shweppsie>EmleyMoor: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2012/07/msg00076.html <-- no more business card cds
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07:35<EmleyMoor>shweppsie: Oh well, better buy a bigger stick
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07:36<daemonkeeper>err, we talk about 170M here.
07:37<daemonkeeper>I don't think you can even buy a USB pen driver with less than 256MB these days.
07:37<EmleyMoor>daemonkeeper: Yes, but I have other stuff on the stick - I like to carry one stick with everything I want on it...
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07:38<EmleyMoor>I could fit it all on a 1GB if the wheezy ISOs were a bit smaller...
07:38<EmleyMoor>I'll see what designs the local shops have
07:38<daemonkeeper>Erm, Wheezy netinst is 169 MB precisely.
07:39<EmleyMoor>Is it heck!
07:39<EmleyMoor>200 and something
07:40<shweppsie>huh, where is that. The one I found was 224M.
07:40<shweppsie>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/
07:40<daemonkeeper>Sorry, yes. I looked at Squeeze's netinst.
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07:42<daemonkeeper>So plenty of space left on a 1G media, even more on a 16GiB USB pen drive which costs you about 15 €.
07:42<shweppsie>EmleyMoor: ^ what daemonkeeper says. It's probably going to be easier to get a bigger pen drive.
07:43<EmleyMoor>daemonkeeper: With UBCD and grml on there as well, it won't quite all fit. Will check the shops today - or if I can find one of my capless waterproof 2GB ones, maybe use that
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07:47<daemonkeeper>If you intent to put stable there as well, wait a few hours, a new born Debian was just released like 2 minutes ago :>
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07:48<EmleyMoor>daemonkeeper: I might consider keeping stable on it as well...
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07:59<voloder>Русские есть?
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07:59<planetmaker>voloder, maybe debian.ru?
08:02<voloder>посмотрим
08:02<roughnecks>!ru
08:02<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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10:11<s4br3>What is the 'best' way to add a new 3TB hdd for backup? The system is on an SSD. Any decent Debian backed link you recommend?
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10:28<loicd>Hi, I would like to add two deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list . One for squeeze, one for wheezy so that I can apt-get source curl/wheezy or apt-get source curl/squeeze.
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10:36<babilen>loicd: Ok, that's fine.
10:36<loicd>babilen: ?
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10:37<babilen>loicd: You have my blessings to do that :)
10:37<loicd>ahahah
10:37<drhouse123>hi! where there equalient of make -j3 for dpkg-buildpackage?
10:37<loicd>:-) thanks !
10:37<babilen>loicd: You are welcome ;)
10:38<loicd>The problem is that it does not work. Does it work for you ? Only one of /wheezy or /squeeze work, depending on somethings I've yet to determine.
10:38<babilen>drhouse123: Look into DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS and in particular "parallel"
10:38<towo`>drhouse123, dpkg-buildpackage -j3
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10:39<babilen>drhouse123: IIRC dpkg-buildpackage takes an options as well. /me checks the manpage
10:39<babilen>Ah, towo` mentioned it already
10:39<sney>!doesnt work
10:39<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
10:39<bigbee>where is the best information on shutting down all the extra stuff initiated at start up that is not needed
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10:39<drhouse123>babilen, thanks
10:40<babilen>loicd: Oh, to be honest: I never tried that and typically just get the repository with "debcheckout" and then work on local branches.
10:40<loicd>dpkg: Doesn't work as in it behaves like a crazy monkey climbing high montains. Is this specific enough ? :-P
10:40<dpkg>loicd: that's too long
10:40<loicd>ahahah
10:40*loicd loves dpkg
10:41<sney>not everything can be backported and you often need backports enabled for dependency resolution
10:41<bigbee>i should have said information on how to effectively stop things without destroying my debian working system.
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10:43*loicd tried to reproduced the problem in a controlled environment to be more specific and ... now "it works". I guess I won't know exactly why it did not originaly. My bad and sorry for the noise.
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10:47<babilen>!congratulate loicd
10:47<dpkg>Woohoo loicd, you did it!
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10:49<loicd>I figured it out
10:49<loicd>if in sources.list you have
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10:49<loicd>deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
10:49<loicd>deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
10:49<loicd>then you can
10:50<loicd>apt-get source wget/wheezy
10:50<loicd>but if you do not have
10:50<loicd>deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
10:50<sney>yes, you need deb-src to apt-get source
10:50<loicd>and you try to
10:50<loicd>apt-get source wget/wheezy
10:50<loicd>it will say:
10:50<loicd>E: Ignore unavailable target release 'wheezy' of package 'wget'
10:50<loicd>even though you have
10:51<loicd>deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
10:51<loicd>and this is presumably because the "Release" file is only found thru
10:51<loicd>deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
10:51<loicd>mystery half solved ;-)
10:53<sney>well, except that's not the case, and it's a tremendously bad idea to mix binary packages for testing and stable
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10:54<sakax>-find uncharted
10:54<sakax>-search uncharted
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10:58<loicd>sney: how do you suggest I make it work ? I'm open to better solutions. I was thinking about setting the preferences to not use wheezy and avoid the mix during an upgrade.
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11:07<gafsgdfhwsfdher>hola
11:08<gafsgdfhwsfdher>que tal follame
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11:09<Calinou>loicd: make sure you apt-get update first 8)
11:09<Calinou>after editing sources.list
11:09<Calinou>(yes, people can forget doing so)
11:09<loicd>Calinou: bien sur :-D
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11:19<themill>feam: please stop filling the bot with crap. It's not acceptable.
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11:21<squeeze9>hi, iam trying to connect an Android mobile phone to my laptop running debian 6
11:22<squeeze9>the storage is not being detected by debian
11:22<squeeze9>the phone's packaging says it has 16GB internal memory
11:22<squeeze9>however I am only able to see 3.3 GB of it when i connect it via USB to my laptop
11:23<squeeze9>on android the phone shows two types of storage
11:23<squeeze9>one of them is SD Card and i guess this is the one being detected, the other - USB Storage (11GB) is not being detected
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11:24<squeeze9>Samsung Galaxy S Advance
11:24<squeeze9>i've enabled USB Debugging in android, but its not helped
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11:24<squeeze9>partled -l doesn't list the phone
11:24<squeeze9>lsusb does list the phone
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11:25<squeeze9>output from lsusb http://paste.debian.net/194331/
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11:26<squeeze9>parted#
11:26<babilen>squeeze9: IIRC you need to create a udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ as explained in http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html -- Could you plug it in, switch to "Disk Drive" on the phone and paste the output of "dmesg|tail -n32" to http://paste.debian.net please?
11:27<babilen>Make sure that you switch from "Charge only" to "Disk drive" (or something to that effect)
11:27<squeeze9>i am on it
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11:27<squeeze9>babilen, it doesn't have any such option upon connecting to the laptop
11:28<feam>themill: ?
11:28<squeeze9>babilen: says MTP connected
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11:28<babilen>squeeze9: Your phone should list that option -- IIRC it is in the pull down menu
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11:28<babilen>!mtp
11:28<dpkg>[mtp] Media Transfer Protocol, or Microsoft Tricking People... into using their shitty protocol, which is far worse than USB Mass Storage and proprietary to boot. The libmtp shared library provides MTP interoperability for applications including <Amarok>, <Audacious>, <Banshee> and <Rhythmbox>; the MTPfs <FUSE> filesystem also provides read/write access.
11:29<themill>feam: you inserted quite a lot of crap into dpkg's database. Please don't do that again.
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11:30<feam>themill: i was having fun/testing the bot man chillout
11:30<feam>go smoke
11:30<themill>please don't
11:31<feam>themill: what u gonna do
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11:31<babilen>squeeze9: Not entirely sure as I haven't had a phone that refuses to speak anything but NTP -- Maybe you can convince it to act as a normal USB storage device. I would recommend a more Android/Samsung specific channel for that. As mentioned by dpkg you are probably able to access it using MTP's fuse filesystem, but I haven't played with that before.
11:31<babilen>*sigh*
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11:32<babilen>,i mtpfs
11:32<judd>Package mtpfs (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: FUSE filesystem for Media Transfer Protocol devices. Version: 0.9-3; Size: 14.8k; Installed: 88k; Homepage: http://www.adebenham.com/mtpfs/
11:32<squeeze9>apt-get install mtpfs?
11:32<babilen>squeeze9: ^^^^ -- But better get that phone to speak USB mass storage :)
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11:33<babilen>squeeze9: Yeah, and read documentation in /etc/share/doc/mtpfs
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11:33<squeeze9>i connect to the laptop and it just starts charging by itself
11:33<squeeze9>debian says a camera has been connected
11:34<squeeze9>and shows me an option to select an application to view photos
11:34<babilen>squeeze9: See also http://www.doubletwist.com/help/question/usb-connect-mode/ and ask in #android or on a Samsung support forum. Yeah, the phone essentially says: I am a camera and you can talk MTP to me.
11:35<babilen>squeeze9: #android is on irc.freenode.net -- There are probably other ways to get it to speak normally (i.e. not mtp)
11:35<squeeze9>babilen: thanks, off to #android now
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11:37<squeeze9>i know this is off-topic, but "#android :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services"
11:37<squeeze9>but what do i do with this?
11:37<babilen>The channel is on irc.freenode.net not here on oftc
11:38<babilen>Ah, and you need to be registered. See "/msg nickserv help register" and http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
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11:41<babilen>squeeze9: Also make sure that you have gvfs-backends installed. It looks to be a problem that is specific to ICS (Ice Cream Sandwich) -- Try to figure out *if* that phone can behave as a normal USB mass storage device. If it can't we can work on the MTP side, but that is (IMHO) suboptimal. Good luck. Googling for "samsung s2 usb mass storage" comes up with a bunch of hits.
11:42<squeeze9>this one has Gingerbread 2.3.6
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11:43<squeeze9>dumb phones were smarter when it came to this!!!
11:43<loicd>Hi, how can I display the current value of the Dir::Etc::Preferences configuration variable ?
11:44<babilen>squeeze9: Ok, please also add a udev rule such as the one that I linked to above. It should look like http://paste.debian.net/194337/ (that is the correct vendor ID) and run "udevadm trigger" and replug your phone.
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11:44<themill>loicd: apt-config dump
11:44<loicd>themill: thanks !
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11:45<squeeze9>babilen: i did that
11:46<squeeze9>and now the even the camera has stopped coming up
11:46<squeeze9>its not being mounted by debian now
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11:47<loicd>I'm confused because the file /etc/apt/preferences.d/unstable.pref contains Pin-Priority: -10 but apt-get install strace installs from unstable nevertheless. To be exact the content of the file is:
11:48<babilen>squeeze9: Sorry, have to do something else ... I'll be back later, but you have to restart the udev system
11:48<loicd>Package: *
11:48<loicd>Pin: release a=unstable
11:48<loicd>Pin-Priority: -10
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11:48<themill>loicd: what's the output of "apt-cache policy strace" → paste.debian.net
11:49<squeeze9>i did run udevadm trigger, i'll just reboot the machine and see how it goes, if not i'll delete the udev rule and see if i can get at least the camera back
11:49<squeeze9>thanks
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11:54<loicd>themill: I figured out that it behaved strangely because I had sqeeze/wheezy/unstable in preferences / sources.list. With just squeeze/unstable it behaves as expected.
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11:57<dutchfish>Ticho, what video card?
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11:57<dutchfish>oops wrong channel
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14:14<ompaul>themill: if you are looking on can you change the topic to indicate that 6.0.6 is the release
14:14<ompaul>thanks
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14:15-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: squeeze (6.0.6) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | jessie will be wheezy+1 | wheezy frozen; /msg dpkg freeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ
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14:15<themill>ompaul: thanks
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14:16<ompaul>themill: any time
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14:17<themill>eek
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14:55<uno>hello what is the italian helping channel please ?
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14:55<uno>for debian
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14:55<heikkila>!it
14:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:55<uno>thnks buddy
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14:55<heikkila>np
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15:07<szaboi>so
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15:07<szaboi>whats goinon?
15:07<ompaul>!debian
15:07<dpkg>i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
15:07<ompaul>mostly that
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15:09<EmleyMoor>How do I "free" unused "loop" devices?
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15:10<EmleyMoor>I can't mount one of my VM's filesystems because there is supposedly no free loop device
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15:21<ompaul>EmleyMoor: does this help losetup -f
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15:22<EmleyMoor>losetup: could not find any free loop device
15:22<EmleyMoor>(no, on the occasions that this happens, that never helps!
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15:22<ompaul>so you need to create more
15:23<EmleyMoor>I don't. I need to free the ones not in use
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15:24<EmleyMoor>There are 8 which are in some kind of "limbo"
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15:25<EmleyMoor>losetup -d claims all 8 are "busy"
15:26<ompaul>what does mount say about them?
15:26<EmleyMoor>ompaul: Nothing
15:27<EmleyMoor>It lists the other 24 only
15:28<ompaul>EmleyMoor: I'm searching and all I find are please do this to increase - is lsof showing you anything interesting?
15:29<ompaul>EmleyMoor: tedious I know, but I'm at the edge of what I know here, if some process can be shown to be holding one open can that process be forced to make it free
15:29<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... mount.ntfs appears to have hold
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15:32<EmleyMoor>umounting the two NTFS systems seems to free all 10 devices (the 8 stuck and the two they were on)
15:32<ompaul>EmleyMoor: I suppose a reboot is out of the question, if not setting up the loop devices like this may be useful: http://www.refining-linux.org/archives/10/3-Get-more-loop-devices/ while it's a 2010 article it might give you more granular control
15:32<ompaul>ignore the if not
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15:33<ompaul>drat, not very logical ompaul today is up mixed
15:33<ompaul>or even mixed up
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15:33<EmleyMoor>I'll see if I can do anything to fix them to specific devices...
15:34<EmleyMoor>However, I've found a solution to the immediate crisi
15:34<EmleyMoor>s
15:35<ompaul>that link suggests a way to hold to specific loop numbers
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16:37<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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16:45<Morad>Hi All
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16:59<luis_>Hola, alguien de Buenos Aires
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17:04<retrospectacus>!br
17:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:13<Cal2>hi, I'm having some problems with wicd, can anyone help me?
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17:28<Sicelo>Cal2: maybe someone would have helped if you'd stated the _real_ problem
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17:29<Cal2>a ye
17:29<Cal2>I figured I'd get contact with someone first
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17:30<Cal2>So the problem is wicd returns "Bad Password"
17:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 485] by debhelper
17:30<Cal2>when the settings are correct, and the pre-shared key is correct
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17:31<Cal2>and it seems as though my user doesn't have the necessary rights to run wicd
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17:31*Sicelo tends to use /etc/network/interfaces for these things
17:32<craigevil>!wicd
17:32<dpkg>Wireless Interface Connection Daemon (wicd) is a wired and <wireless connection manager>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. See also <netdev>.
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17:32<babilen>Cal2: Make sure your user is a member of the netdev group (also see "/msg dpkg desktop groups") by running "groups" or "id" .... If you are not run "adduser YOURUSER netdev" and relogin
17:32<babilen>Cal2: fwiw, I'd recommend to use network-manager these days, but meh
17:33*perlwizard recommends using /etc/network/interfaces and vim
17:33<Cal2>okay
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17:34<babilen>perlwizard: Well, that IMHO only makes sense if you connect to a very limited set of (not changing) networks. Having to configure /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf for every new network gets old really fast
17:34<Sicelo>network-manager had one limitation .. kept trying to find a modem port in all of ttyUSB0-5 interfaces exposed by my dongle. (zte ac2766)..
17:34<Sicelo>that's when i forced myself to leanr /etc/network/interfaces ..
17:35<loicd>Hi, given a source package, is there a onliner to get the upstream version number ? Other than a hand made regexp that is ;-)
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17:39<EmleyMoor>Hmmm, my bootstick doesn't seem to like wheezy installers anyway
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17:54<AmarokNelg>Debian archive: How do you create one?
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18:21<RDMDD>Hi, I'm tryng to install debian wheezy on my netbook, but during the install it prompts me that there is a firmware missing for my wireless network card. The firmware is brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw is there any way to include this while installing? I don't have access to a fixed ethernet cable in this location. I'm installing from a USB stick.
18:22<themill>that's in the firmware-brcm80211 package. Providing that on the same or another usb stick will work
18:22<RDMDD>How do I do that?
18:23<RDMDD>Where do I put the package on the USB stick?
18:25<RDMDD>Which directory I mean
18:26<themill>!installer firmware
18:26<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse
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18:27<themill>RDMDD: ^^ §6.4.1 of the release notes provides more information for yo
18:27<themill>u
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18:31<RDMDD>So I just need to put the 'firmware-brcm80211_0.36_all.deb' package in the /firmware directory of my installer USB stick? Or should I put it on a seperate USB stick? In case of the latter, how so I mount that USB stick from within the installer program?
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18:34<thinkerweb>how can I read apache2 errors, where is the log file located on debian?
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18:35<Rampage>hi,why my /etc/resolv.conf everytime change it...and write useless nameserver ?
18:36<diederik>thinkerweb: /var/log/apache2
18:37<thinkerweb>diederik, thx, btw, how did you find that info, or did you just know it off the top of your head?
18:38<diederik>I knew it of the top of my head, but /var/log is the standard location for log files
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18:39<AmarokNelg>!info apache2
18:39<dpkg>apache2: (Apache HTTP Server metapackage), section httpd, is optional. Version: 2.2.22-11 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 29 kB
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18:42<thinkerweb>diederik, thx
18:45<RDMDD>themill: tnx that worked like a charm
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18:59<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i'm running wheezy installed on a usb drive and i ran it on two different machines; at one, gnome 3 is disabled and at the other gnome 3 works.....is this a hardware issue? also, when gnome classic is running, i can't right-click the panel to add custom apps, how can i fix these issues?
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19:02<Pepper>paranoidphreak: at one xorg (window system) isn't runnig at all?
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19:03<agaida>Rampage: May it be that you have the package resolvconf installed. In that case you have to choices: 1. purge it and write the resolv.conf by hand. 2. configure resolvconf proper.
19:04<paranoidphreak>Pepper: at one system, it's gnome classic
19:04<themill>Rampage: or you're using dhcp and haven't configured either client or server correctly
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19:07<Pepper>hm, I can't help, maybe someone? Looks like classic is Gnome-3 fallback when graphic card is not supported: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3-fallback.html
19:09<paranoidphreak>Pepper: k.....thanks anyways
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19:11<Rampage>agaida, themill i use pppoe connection on eth1 interface with dhcp and eht0 for lan network,but this nameserver who writed on resolve.conf comes from eth1 (dhcp) when i "pon dsl-provider" i get correct record in resolve.conf but after 5-10 min he change automaticaly...for stop this i use "chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
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19:11<themill>chattr :(
19:11<themill>why not fix your dhcp setup?
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19:12<themill>either tell your dhcp client not to fiddle with the nameservers or tell it to ignore the settings that the dhcp server sent
19:12<Rampage>themill..i think this setup is correct
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19:12<themill>chattr is not a sensible solution
19:12<agaida>:P
19:12<Rampage>yes it's not solution
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19:13<agaida>but a working one
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19:37<ribe>where can I find a good Debian user's manual online?
19:37<ribe>can you recomend one?
19:37<themill>!debian-handbook
19:37<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. It can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package (only in wheezy and sid). Also ask me about <books> <docs>.
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19:38<ribe>thank you!!!
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19:42<Rampage>i try to open port 6667 for my ircd but rules in INPUT chain not work..,maybe need more rules?
19:44<Rampage>some rule in FORWARD chain
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19:45<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i'm running wheezy installed on a usb drive and i ran it on two different machines; at one, gnome classic is running and at the other gnome 3 works. also, when gnome classic is running, i can't right-click the panel to add custom apps, how can i fix these issues?
19:46<Ichabod>Rampage: no, no rules should be needed in the forward chain
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19:49<Rampage>Ichabod,rules for INPUT and OUTPUT chain ?
19:50<Ichabod>run the command: iptables -l -n -v and pastebin the output please
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19:54<Rampage>Ichabod iptables -L -nv :) -> http://pastebin.com/kAjDiuz5
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19:57<Ichabod>your input and output policies are accept
19:57<Ichabod>you should not need any rules there
19:57<Ichabod>what exactly are you trying to do
19:59<Rampage>Ichabod ./ircd but can't connect to him i use nmap and no open ports for ircd...
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20:03<Ichabod>is this on the same local network?
20:05<Rampage>eth0 - 192.168.2.1 i connect from local network but from inside i can't
20:06<Ichabod>what?
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20:10<Rampage>Ichabod ty i resolve the problem
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22:09<mario>no one here
22:10<TCW>mario, wrong
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23:41<crunch>hai giuse
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23:53<rayj>does this [targus acb10us] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002K6RK0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=tonymacx86com-20 bluetooth adapter work with squeeze?
23:54<rayj>googled and didn't find anything...
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