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---Logopened Wed Oct 03 00:00:08 2012
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00:03<blackboxcoder>i have this command: sudo mount -t cifs //Networkpath/Music /home/blackboxcoder/Musik/FB how can i make this as a autostart?
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00:12<ectospasm>blackboxcoder: add it to /etc/fstab
00:13<ectospasm>blackboxcoder: something like this:
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00:14<ectospasm>/Networkpath/Music /home/blackboxcoder/Musik/FB cifs _netdev,uid=XXXX,user,auto 0 0
00:15<ectospasm>blackboxcoder: ^
00:15<ectospasm>the options field you may want (or have) to modify
00:15<ectospasm>see man 5 fstab for details
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00:27<blackboxcoder>thanks ectospasm
00:27<blackboxcoder>i will have a try
00:28<ectospasm>no problem... lemme know how it goes
00:28<ectospasm>blackboxcoder: remember, replace uid=XXXX with your actual $UID
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01:07<cybes>hi retrospectacus, TCW
01:07<cybes>guess you guys are online
01:08<cybes>i could'nt join to #debian a litlle earlier
01:08<cybes>it says "you are banned"
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01:09<cybes>i switched from root to my username and now i could join
01:09<cybes>please tell me why that is
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01:10<sney>cybes: because running irc as root is a security hole, so this channel automatically bans root users to protect them
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01:10<cybes>oh ok thanks sney
01:10<sney><crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!"
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01:11<cybes>haha
01:11<cybes>sney: could you please tell me how one can access the root
01:12<cybes>i meant you are telling that logging in as root is a security problem for the user ?how?
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01:13<cybes>sney: could you please help me out on that
01:14<cybes>cybes:dont want to be<crab> ..thats why
01:14<cybes>:(
01:16<sney>root has complete control over absolutely everything in the system
01:16<sney>if someone has root access, then there is nothing they cannot do within the bounds of that system.
01:17<sney>IRC is a (often unencrypted) network connection that exposes your system to a lot of other users on the internet, through a protocol that is not designed to be secure in any way
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01:19<cybes>ok sney: :)
01:19<cybes>i thought it'd be a security prob for the IRC not mine..my bad
01:20<cybes>so i came here for a solution sney: about my sound , audio problem
01:20<cybes>i can't hear any sound in my laptop
01:21<cybes>i sort tried many things that discussed here yesterday ..but all in vain
01:21<cybes>i don't know why a ICT codec is there in my /proc/asound/card0
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01:22<cybes>even though my sound card is a Intel cougar point rev(05) as listed in lspci
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01:24<cybes>please ..any help would be great
01:24<cybes>me got stuck with this situation for days
01:25<cybes>i got only solutions such as using newer kernels and other unstable thingys
01:26<cybes>i think there should be other fix
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01:26<jm_>and that doesn't help?
01:26<cybes>i didn't installed the newer kernel...i like to use the built in kernel from the debian squeeze
01:27<jm_>use the one from backports
01:27<cybes>kernel?
01:27<jm_>yes
01:27<cybes>but that should also be in a testing phase ..right?
01:27<jm_>no
01:28<cybes>isn't there any other ways dude..for this trouble
01:28<cybes>some driver sort of things
01:28<jm_>driver is in the *kernel*
01:28<cybes>but we can manually install it right
01:28<cybes>the drivers
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01:29<cybes>me got installed the broadcom drivers earlier
01:29<jm_>in theory, but if installing the kernel is too hard for you you won't manage it
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01:30<cybes>why i'm not installing kernel is becoz i'm having a feeling that debian squeeze comes wtih all the stable condition that changing the kernel would affect the system
01:32<cybes>isn't there figuring out the sound card or alsa problems solve the problem?
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01:33<cybes>me got a feeling that i could use some help from here and hence i doesn't need to destroy the stability of the debian system
01:35<cybes>please there should be some fix ..anyone know please help me out
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01:38<cybes>Help!help!help!
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01:41<cybes>cybes wonders if retrospectacus and TCW are here
01:43<cybes>476 users idle in #debian
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01:46<cybes>jm_:which backport kernel should i install??
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01:48<cybes>cybes came with a great hope in finding the solution with the debian community
01:48<jm_>cybes: which kernel do you have installed now?
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01:48<cybes>:)
01:48<cybes>2.6.32-5-amd64
01:49<cybes>thanks for response dude
01:50<cybes>the inbuilt kernel of debian squeeze
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01:50<jm_>linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 would be the one then
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01:51<jm_>or you could use one of the meta packages - linux-image-amd64
01:51<cybes>jm_..is there any problem in changing the default kernel in the debian sqeeze
01:53<jm_>cybes: no, it won't replace your existing kernel, it will only install additional one, so you will have both as an option in grub
01:54<cybes>so do i need to install the wireless network drivers and all again after installing this new kernel
01:54<cybes>me a newbie to debian
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01:55<jm_>how did you install them?
01:56<cybes>downloaded the package and make..., modeprobe..insmod all that
01:56<cybes>do i need to do that all again
01:57<jm_>yes
01:57<cybes>cybes looks innocently to jm_
01:58<cybes>jm_:so what is a meta package?
01:58<cybes>linux-image-amd64
01:58<cybes>but the thing is that the inbuilt ubuntu has sound workign well
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01:59<jm_>apt-cache show linux-image-amd64
01:59<jm_>which kernel is ubuntu using?
01:59<cybes>sorry jm_that ubuntu came preinstalled in the laptop and i bet its older than this kernel
02:00<cybes>now i've no ubuntu on this machine
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02:01<cybes>then how the sound worked in that kernel..there should be some driver fix dude
02:02<cybes>jm_ could you please help me troubleshooting this problem apart from installing new kernel
02:02<cybes>is it possible?
02:03<jm_>cybes: no, I don't have time for that, please try the new kernel first
02:04<cybes>ok so what to do then
02:04<jm_>install it
02:04<cybes>no problem
02:04<cybes>the meta package or bakport one?
02:05<cybes>could you please tell the step by step method of installing
02:06<jm_>that's up to you - using the meta package means that it might automatically udpate your kernel on upgrades; you install the same way as other packages, for backports you have instructions here http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/
02:07<cybes>how should i install meta package ?
02:07<cybes>from where
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02:08<cybes>??
02:08<cybes>jm_
02:08<jm_>just install the linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 from backports
02:09<cybes>could you please tell me an instruction link for meta package..for understanding what it is?
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02:11<cybes>could you please tell me how you get that linux version?from where?
02:11<cybes>linux-image-3.3.0-0
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02:12<cybes>sorry if you are busy
02:12<cybes>thanks for all the help
02:13<cybes>jm_ thank you very much
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02:18<jm_>cybes: it's the same for the meta package, just pkg name is different
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02:20<cybes>could you have time for educating me about what is the difference between meta packages and other..i've read comething in meta packages documentation ..but can't able to understand it clearly
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02:25<jm_>they just depend on real packages, it's just a convenience measure
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02:28<cybes>new kernel is installing ...any other thing to do after that
02:29<cybes>jm_:
02:30<jm_>cybes: you will have to reinstall your wlan driver as you already noted, why did you install it using make?
02:30<cybes>then how ?any other way? i used it as it in the readme file of the broadcom
02:31<cybes>it was a source package
02:31<jm_>which wlan chipset is it?
02:31<cybes>broadcom
02:31<cybes>bcm4313
02:32<cybes>jm_ how did you tell me about the kernel version before?how did you know?
02:32<cybes>that linux image-3.0-0
02:33<jm_>cybes: do it the debian way, pick one: http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 http://wiki.debian.org/wl
02:33<jm_>cybes: you can find it with apt-cache search (as long as you have backports in sources.list), or here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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02:36<cybes>jm_ but the stable version package in http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages doesn't has the kernel image that i'm installing
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02:37<jm_>cybes: select "any" for version and it will also find packages from backports
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02:40<cybes>please ..could you tell me the steps by which how you found that kernel..i've searched in package in any section for "kernel"and it only shows me kernel starting with 2.6
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02:41<jm_>search for linux-image
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02:42<cybes>then also 2.6" versions
02:42<cybes>my new kernel installtion showed some firmware missing dialog ..should i paste it
02:44<cybes>http://paste.debian.net/195646
02:44<cybes>jm_ thats the message during installtion waht to do???
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02:45<jm_>cybes: do you use the r8169 driver?
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02:47<cybes>whats that?realtek
02:47<cybes>i didn't installed that driver by myself before
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02:48<jm_>lsmod|grep r8169
02:48<cybes>http://paste.debian.net/195647
02:49<cybes>jm_ here
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02:49<cybes>do i need to install the realtek driver for working the ehternet?
02:49<cybes>but i didn't do it before...and i didn't checked ehernet working or not before
02:50<cybes>do i need to install it jm_
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02:50<cybes>the debian brcm installation is so easy than make
02:51<cybes>but you know before i has no connection and i only has the way of downloading it as a package from another system
02:52<cybes>jm_ what to do for the installtion of kernel should i click "ok" button
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02:53<cybes>for the firmware dialogue repot
02:53<jm_>cybes: depends on which rtl8169 chip it is, most don't need the firmware
02:53<jm_>cybes: sure, that's the only option you have :)
02:54<cybes>so how could i find the chip..i think rtl8169 is the chip ..right?
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02:55<cybes>i think kernel installation finished with the firmware missing warnings
02:56<cybes>jm_
02:56<jm_>dmesg|grep r8169
02:56<cybes>will i get sound after restarting dude??
02:56<cybes>ok
02:56<jm_>i have no idea, assumption is that it shall help
02:57<cybes>dude that command returned nothing
02:57<cybes>dmesg
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02:58<cybes>jm_
02:58<jm_>please stop abusing your enter key
02:59<cybes>abusing enter key?
02:59<cybes>i didn't get what you meant
02:59<jm_>!enter
02:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
03:00<cybes>oh ok.....
03:00<jm_>as a precaution download the firmware-realtek package from backports and install it if your ethernet adapter doesn't work with the new kernel
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03:01<cybes>but that command dmesg doesn't work ,..what does that indicate?
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03:02<jm_>probably that the info has long been replaced with something else in the kernel's ring buffer, nothing to worry about
03:03<jm_>you can run it immediately after boot to get the info
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03:03<cybes>ok..i typed "dmesg" only and i saw a lot of error@wl
03:04<jm_>yeah that explains why the info is no longer there
03:04<cybes>ok dude i'm going to reboot and hope that sound works with the new kernel
03:05<cybes>thanks again
03:05<jm_>no worries
03:06<cybes>but dude about that wireless firmware how can i install it in the debian way if i has no internet connection after rebooting with new kernel
03:08<cybes>jm_?
03:08<jm_>which wireless firmware?
03:08<cybes>brcm4313
03:09<cybes>you said using apt-get....how can i use it if i got no internet connection
03:09<cybes>in this system
03:09<jm_>how do you connect to internet?
03:09<cybes>wireless
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03:10<cybes>using wifi
03:10<jm_>then you'll need to download it in advance (say now), or use another computer
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03:10<cybes>download the source package as i said earlier right?
03:11<cybes>or will i get the debian package for download now
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03:13<jm_>you'll need all the things mentioned on the debian wifi page
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03:14<cybes>i've searched for the package in non-free but no results
03:14<cybes>for downloading
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03:15<jm_>I don't know which package you are refering to
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03:16<cybes>firmware-brcm80211 wireless-tools
03:17<cybes>i've searched for this package to download now..for installing it after rebooting ..but no results found
03:18<jm_>wireless-tools is in main, firmware-brcm80211 is on bpo in non-free
03:18<cybes>oh sorry i thought it was one package...my bad
03:18<cybes>sorry jm_
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03:21<cybes>hey but that is also a source package..i need to make and install it as before jm_:
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03:23<cybes>jm_
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03:26<cybes>ok i'm going to reboot and install it as before ...right..because i think i can't just install a firmware as a debian package..i only find source package of that firmware
03:26<jm_>what are you talking about? what is a source package?
03:26<cybes>Package: firmware-brcm80211 (0.28+squeeze1) [non-free]
03:26<cybes>its a source package
03:27<jm_>no it's not
03:27<cybes>then what is it?
03:27<jm_>it's a binary package in non-free section
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03:27<cybes>what should i download ..the .tar
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03:27<cybes>[firmware-nonfree_0.28+squeeze1.tar.gz]
03:28<cybes>its under download source package
03:28<jm_>no, install it using apt ...
03:28<cybes>OMG..dude how can i install it if i got no working connection on this system after i reboot with the new kernel
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03:29<jm_>for fucks sake, install it *now*
03:29<cybes>:)
03:29<cybes>oh ok so will i use it after rebooting
03:29<jm_>yes
03:30<cybes>dude....now its logical
03:30<cybes>:):)lol
03:30<cybes>thanks for helping me out
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03:31<cybes>cybes sometimes thinks himself as a nerd
03:31<cybes>:)
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03:31<cybes>BTW jm_ how come you here?are you working here
03:31<cybes>in debian
03:32<cybes>or a system admin or sorta like that
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03:32<jm_>cybes: no, I'm just long time debian user
03:32<cybes>so now what are you doing ?i meant job?
03:33<jm_>i work as lab support for an enterprise management product
03:34<cybes>cool..so now you working or at home..
03:34<cybes>*now*
03:34<cybes>at this moment
03:35<jm_>at work
03:35<cybes>:)
03:36<cybes>so dude..i'm going to restart my sytem and check if all things are right ..if its right i'll only be back later coz i need to play GTA4 else if nothing worked i'll be back here nwo itself...
03:36<cybes>:)
03:36<cybes>icecool dude
03:36<cybes>see ya
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03:53<philipp>penis
03:53<philipp>i abused
03:53<philipp>gonna kick me? :P
03:54<stderr>I'm just going to ignore you...
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03:54<perlwizard>philipp this is a support channel
03:54<perlwizard>do you need help with something?
03:55<weasel>so, now we know what to expect from students at FH Wien.
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03:55<weasel>I wonder if their IT services has an opinion on the behavior
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03:57<philipp>dont be rasistic... im just a poor student...
03:57<philipp>ignoreing ist the best u can do with trolls
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03:58<stderr>:-)
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04:02<planetmaker>hehe :-)
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04:17<kaka81>hi @all. I've a problem with loading usbcore parameters on startup. I added a .conf file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with "options usbcore autosuspend=-1" but this parameter isn't set because in /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend "2" is shown but should be -1. Has anyone an idea why it isn't set correctly? thank you all in advance
04:18<kaka81>additional information: this parameter must be set before usbcore is loading
04:22<jm_>did you also run update-initramfs after adding the file?
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04:24<kaka81>not yet. just started with -u -t parameters, would take a while
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04:26<kaka81>YEAHHHH!!! it works!! thank you very much!! :)
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04:30<jm_>no worries
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05:39<sergiu>hello guys
05:40<Maulkin>hi
05:40<sergiu>I messed up some configurations, and everytime I log in gdm, it says something like "could not update .ICEauthority"
05:40<sergiu>what the hell is wrong there?
05:40<sergiu>I erased it
05:40<melmothX>sergiu: ls -lh ~/.ICEauthority
05:40<sergiu>and still the same
05:41<sergiu>and btw, I just change the permissions to 777
05:41<sergiu>:D
05:41<sergiu>in home directory
05:41<sergiu>0 -rwxrwxrwx 1 sergiu sergiu 0 Oct 2 08:14 /home/sergiu/.ICEauthority
05:41<sergiu>melmothX ^^^
05:41<sergiu>this is what it says...
05:42<melmothX>now is too late to indagate
05:42<sergiu>I already have headache ...
05:42<sergiu>?
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05:42<sergiu>well... I will restart now and see if anything has change
05:43<Maulkin>sergiu: ls -lhd ~/
05:43<sergiu>I messed up the persmissions pretty well
05:43<Maulkin>sergiu: Sounds like it.
05:43<melmothX>which “configurations” did you “mess up”
05:43<sergiu>I do not remember...I followed several tutorials...
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05:44<sergiu>and...I already do not know
05:44<melmothX>that's the reccomended way to screw up. Following “tutorials” without knowing what you are doing
05:45<sergiu>Maulkin, melmothX : could "chmod -R 777 /home/sergiu/" fix the problem?
05:45<melmothX>lol
05:45<sergiu>or what permission is suited best there?
05:45<melmothX>are you insane?
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05:45<themill>!777
05:45<dpkg>777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>.
05:45<sergiu>memothX...no, just desperate
05:45<devil>melmothX: just clueless ;)
05:46<sergiu>devil, I know what it does; I just don't have time to fix it properly
05:47<devil>sergiu: take the time
05:47<babilen>sergiu: Why don't you start with the output of the command Maulkin mentioned earlier? (i.e. "ls -lhd ~/")
05:48<sergiu>drwxrwxrwx 28 sergiu sergiu 4.0K Oct 3 04:39 /home/sergiu/
05:48<sergiu>here it is
05:48<sergiu>I alredy pushed the button...
05:48<melmothX>it's already screwed up
05:48<sergiu>it's aready 777
05:48<peter1138>o_O
05:48<melmothX>good luck, now you keep the pieces of the broken toy
05:48<peter1138>delete yourself
05:48<sergiu>:D
05:48<peter1138>and add yourself a new user :p
05:49<sergiu>peter1138
05:49<sergiu>thanks
05:49<sergiu>will do that in a minute
05:49<peter1138>(you could add a new user to test anyway)
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05:49<babilen>sergiu: And it would also help if you could tell us what you've done before - "normally" deleting ~/.ICEauthority should fix it as it is just recreated..
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05:51<babilen>Or just leave ...
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05:52<s1ck>Hi! I dont know whether this is the right place to ask, but I have an issue with my grub configuration on wheezy/testing
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05:52<s1ck>how can I update my grub config? there is no update-grub command
05:52<babilen>s1ck: You could take it to #debian-next, but this channel is not too bad
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05:52<s1ck>babilen, will try thanks
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06:40<melvin> Hi, i just installed wheezy and then kde with wpasupplicant wirelestools network-manager-kde but i can't get my wifi to work. i remember this happened to me before with gnome and it got fixed when i installed gdm3, can someone please lead me in the right direction
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06:45<ectospasm>melvin: do you know if you need a binary firmware blob for your adapter?
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06:46<melvin>yeah, i installed it with firmware-b43-lpphy
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06:47<ectospasm>melvin: does dmesg report that it loaded OK?
06:47<melvin>i remember reading somewhere that gdm3 included something that made wifi work correctly. but i can't find that page.
06:47<melvin>let me check,
06:47<ectospasm>that sounds improbable, since gdm3 should be independent of the network... unless you're allowing network logins...
06:48<melvin>no i am not
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06:48<melvin>sorry, i am a newb how can i narrow down dmesg output
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06:48<melvin>oh it says Hi, i just installed wheezy and then kde with wpasupplicant wirelestools network-manager-kde but i can't get my wifi to work. i remember this happened to me before with gnome and it got fixed when i installed gdm3, can someone please lead me in the right direction
06:49<melvin>oops disregard
06:49<melvin>wrong paste
06:49<melvin>[ 119.320080] wlan0: authentication with c0:3f:0e:de:0c:c7 timed out
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06:51<melvin>dmesg says it doesn't support DMA and forced PIO
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07:39<kikinovak>Hi. I have a rather specific request. I know Debian Wheezy comes with GCC 4.7.1 and Firefox 10.0.x ESR. The latter is a bit tricky to build on the former, so I'd like to figure out how the Debian folks did it. Q: what's the easiest way to take a peek at a Debian compilation script? Where are these to find?
07:41<weasel>download the source package, look in debian/
07:41<kikinovak>Is there a way I can do that without installing Debian on a sandbox machine (right now I'm running a mix of Slackware 13.37 and 14.0 in my office)
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07:41<kikinovak>?
07:42<weasel>download the .dsc file in question, look at what other files it references, fetch those.
07:42<kikinovak>and where is that .dsc file to find ?
07:43<weasel>for instance http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-esr/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_10.0.4esr-3~bpo60+1.dsc
07:43<kikinovak>weasel: thank you very much for your help !
07:43<weasel>this is a bit of an atypical package, as it apparently references scores of source tarballs
07:43<weasel>usually you only have two other files, an orig.tar.gz (the upstream release, basically) and either a diff.gz or a debian.tar.gz for debian/
07:44<weasel>maybe fetching the debian.tar.gz would be sufficient for what you want to know also
07:44<kikinovak>Looks like 99% of the extra files are the localization packages.
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07:46<kikinovak>The thing is: the sources have to be patched at some point to build with GCC 4.7.1. And I'd like to either download the patches or at least grasp their content.
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07:47<jm_>kikinovak: perhaps looking into the source repository will reveal something -- links are here http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html
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07:51<kikinovak>ok, I found the patches. Or rather... the patch forest :o(
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07:53<kikinovak>On the other hand, all those Debian patches seem to be quite explicitly named... I already found a few candidates.
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07:55<suppa>hello
07:55<kikinovak>OK, I think I have a good starting point here. (If you wonder what I'm possibly doing here: creating packages for Firefox ESR and Thunderbird ESR for Slackware 13.37 and 14.0, for our school network.)
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07:57<kikinovak>I'll keep you posted about the outcome of all this. Thanks a lot, guys !
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07:58<grammoboy>I've funambol running on my Debian server http://sourceforge.net/projects/funambol/
07:59<grammoboy>but after reboot I've to restart it with
07:59<grammoboy>cd /opt/Funambol/bin/
07:59<grammoboy>./funambol start
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07:59<grammoboy>how do I make this auto at startup?
07:59<jm_>grammoboy: write an init script for it (see /etc/init.d/skeleton)
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08:00<perlwizard>grammoboy put needed startup commands in /etc/rc.local file (before exit 0)
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08:04<grammoboy>the command needs to be run as root afaik
08:04<jm_>either way will do that
08:04<grammoboy>rc.local seems to be an easy way
08:05<grammoboy>thx
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08:06<suppa>hello
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08:08<grammoboy>/opt/Funambol/bin/./funambol start
08:08<grammoboy>exit 0
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08:10<grammoboy>there are days you hate linux,
08:10<grammoboy>there are days you truly love it, this is such a day :)
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08:12<nevyn>all software sucks
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08:15<grammoboy>heh
08:15<grammoboy>don't use it then
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08:21<haylo>is there a channel discussing the specifics of debian debootstrap install process?
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08:23<babilen>haylo: I'm not aware of one
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08:26<haylo>ok, thanks babilen
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08:49<knobo>I'm trying to install debian on a virtualbox with Netinst, when I come to dhcp configuration, it says "no default route was set".
08:50<knobo>the dhcp server is allso in a virtualbox and the network is a host-only net.
08:50<knobo>dhcpdump says that dhcpd is sending routers (OPTION: 3 ( 4) Rtouters 192.168.56.1)
08:50<knobo>dhcpd.leases has only a server-duid line
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09:08<AlexCT28>org
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09:08<movl>amen, brotha
09:08<movl>don't forget to write()
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10:19<Mmang>yo
10:19<Mmang>what exactly is dbus anyway?
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10:21<babilen>!tell Mmang -about dbus
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10:22<Mmang>ty
10:24<babilen>Mmang: It is, generally speaking, also a good idea to use search engines such as Google, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, Bing, Altavista, ... to search the indices of webpages. you might like http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators_reference.html
10:24<Mmang>of course
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10:24<Pitxyoki>!dbus
10:24<dpkg>D-Bus (Desktop Bus) is an <IPC> system for software to communicate with each other. The dbus-1-doc package contains the API documentation along with the protocol specification. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DBusAnalogy http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ #dbus on irc.freenode.net. See also <dbus shutdown>.
10:24<Mmang>ive just been too lazy and busy with other things
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10:24<babilen>!tell Pitxyoki -about msgthebot
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10:24<Mmang>but it keeps showing up and I was just wondering :P
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10:25<Pitxyoki>Sorry, babilen.
10:25<Mmang>is there any advantage to duckduckgo?
10:25<babilen>Mmang: Well, keep in mind that every question you ask in here is read by multiple people who will then spend some time to think about it.
10:25<Pitxyoki>Mmang, I find it shows worse results than I expected.
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10:26<babilen>→ #debian-offtopic please
10:27<Mmang>of course, I am not as big as a newb as you may expect. I hope to be one of those guys answering the questions some time
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10:28<Mmang>i like the free software community and environment although many people might view me as a little weird for not jumping on the winblows bandwagon :P
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10:30<Mmang>anyone use ampache?
10:31<Mmang>sounds pretty neat from its descriptions
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10:32<AcerbusKnight>Hello - I'm running Wheezy - rdesktop causes Xorg to run at 70 - 100 % - any thoughts ?
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10:32<Pitxyoki>AcerbusKnight: checked bugs.debian.org already?
10:32<Mmang>check xorg
10:34<AcerbusKnight>Still looking @ bugs. - haven't found anything related to wheezy yet
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10:35<SynrG>AcerbusKnight: rdesktop? why not xfreerdp?
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10:36<SynrG>AcerbusKnight: xfreerdp is provided by the freerdp-x11 package.
10:36<AcerbusKnight>haven't tried xfreerdp before - I'll give it a go
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10:38<SynrG>AcerbusKnight: some of the good stuff is provided by plugins, and i find the debian man page a bit deficient wrt. that
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10:39<SynrG>AcerbusKnight: e.g. --plugin cliprdr to provide clipboard redirection, which i find essential.
10:39<AcerbusKnight>Thanks for the suggestions - I will try shortly
10:40<AcerbusKnight>Although I still wouldn't mind figuring the rdesktop issue out (can't let a puzzle go)
10:40<SynrG>k
10:40<SynrG>upstream git for freerdp has updated man page, in any case
10:41<SynrG>(committed 16 days ago)
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10:41<SynrG>so the poor debian doc isn't debian's fault, really
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10:50<Mmang>my whois displays some very strange information on very popular domains like google.com any thoughts?
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10:53<Pitxyoki>What is some very strange information?
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11:02<blast007>Mmang: I see odd stuff here as well.
11:03<Mmang>where u at?
11:03<Mmang>markmoniter is seemly the sulprit
11:03<Mmang>for me anyway
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11:35<Mmang>here
11:35<Mmang>is an ex of a whois output
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11:36<Mmang>whois google.com
11:36<Mmang>Server Name: GOOGLE.COM.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.LOVE.AND.TOLERANCE.THE-WONDERBOLTS.COM
11:36<Mmang> IP Address: 50.62.130.9
11:36<Mmang> Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC
11:36<Mmang> Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
11:36<Mmang> Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
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11:50<ext5>why set channel limits??
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11:50<babilen>ext5: Join floods - Also: Don't worry about it
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11:52<ext5>what do you mean dont worry. who are you? sounding shady
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11:52<pajaro>why dpkg -l '*' does not show all the packages? what packages does it show?
11:53<babilen>ext5: Do you mind if I /msg you?
11:53<themill>pajaro: it shows packages that dpkg is tracking the status of. dpkg != apt so it isn't tracking every package that you could possible isntall
11:53<pajaro>simply dpkg -l shows all packages installed and removed
11:53<pajaro>themill, what packages dpkg is aware of then?
11:54<ext5>babilen: ya mesg me in the open i have nothing to hide
11:54<themill>ones that it has installed, removed, purged but not yet been removed from its status database
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11:55<pajaro>so dpkg db is different from apt... or dpkg is using one like a cache?
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11:55<themill>dpkg and apt do quite different things so they track different things differently
11:55<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, themill
11:55<themill>dpkg, shush
11:55<dpkg>Fine, I'll shut up.
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11:57<pajaro>its easy to explain an overall sight or very complicated and i will never understand without looking all the mans?
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11:58<pajaro>http://wiki.debian.org/dpkg does not explain a lot u.u
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11:59<pajaro>also i already read the debian-reference about dpkg/apt-get/aptitude (although i think some of the things are a little outdated)
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12:01<pajaro>how much did u miss themill? :)
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12:02<themill>pajaro: I don't know what you're wanting to know...
12:03<pajaro>well.. the conection between dpkg and apt-get
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12:03<pajaro>and how make sense to have 2 different dbs
12:03<pajaro>duplicate work? complementary?
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12:08<themill>pajaro: as a user, you'll mostly only ever talk to apt. What dpkg is doing and how it does it isn't important to you when you're installing or removing packages.
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12:11<pajaro>well, most people i know check status of a package by doing dpkg -l X or X*
12:11<pajaro>the apt way would be apt-cache show package
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12:12<pajaro>its not as nice
12:12<pajaro>so its not like im not interacting with dpkg at all
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12:13<pajaro>maybe there is a third way im missing
12:13<themill>pajaro: apt-cache policy packagename. But it depends on what you mean by "check the status of a package". "dpkg -l packagename" is quite fine for that too
12:13<pajaro>also i was wondering for the total number of pacakges in main, contrib, ... and so i was trying to figuring a way to find out that info that must be hidding somewhere in my system
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12:14<pajaro>yeah, and a simple * at some point will show you a nice table telling you if installed, purged, removed.... and a description...
12:14<pajaro>not impossible but its harder to get that info with apt
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12:15<pajaro>thats why ppl tend to use dpkg... even tho dpkg does not know about every package repository wide and apt shold be in charge of that task
12:15<pajaro>that kind of query*
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12:23<g0nd0r>hi i am newbie
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12:25<retrospectacus>g0nd0r: if you have a question, just ask:
12:25<retrospectacus>!ask
12:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:26<g0nd0r>that only the minimum requirements for Debian since I have seen that there are 6 dvd to download and install
12:27<g0nd0r>sorry for my bad English
12:28<retrospectacus>g0nd0r: those contain all the software packages you can install on debian
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12:29<ichdasich>g0nd0r: maybe take a look at the hispanic channel?
12:29<retrospectacus>to install debian you will need only one CD or DVD
12:29<ichdasich>!es
12:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:29<simon_>g0nd0r, the minimum requirement for Debian in the release notes, depends what you are installing it on. You can do a network install which requires only a small download and then install only packages you need from the network. The general advice is don't make CDs, and if you have to make a CD make one with the network installer.
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12:32<g0nd0r>Thanks for the suggestions
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13:14<fenix>:|
13:14<retrospectacus>:D
13:15<fenix>Fenix Progama Ruim :@
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13:15<retrospectacus>!br
13:15<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:16<fenix>Chat Inglês?
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13:17<retrospectacus>Fenix: English only here.
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13:17<fenix>FUIII NUM INTENDE PORCARIA NENHUMA :|
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13:18<retrospectacus>ENGLISH!
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13:18<AlexLikeRock>calm down retro
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13:34<movl>what'd I miss?
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13:34<movl>non-English fun again?
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14:02<grammoboy>hm just bougt a qnas nas to put debian on it
14:02<grammoboy>it has WD black drives WD1001FALS
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14:02<grammoboy>and they seem to have problems with raid
14:02<grammoboy>hm
14:03<grammoboy>I'm new into this, so i like to get helped understanding things a bit
14:03<grammoboy>http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/258088-14-drives-raid-arrays#t1804633
14:03<grammoboy>when I'm installing Debian on a qnap server
14:04<grammoboy>I'm doing software raid?
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14:04<grammoboy>(I thinking about raid 1)
14:05<grammoboy>Do I need to enable TLER on the drives or not
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14:06<SynrG>!tell grammoboy about fakeraid
14:07<SynrG>no. use software raid. problem solved
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14:07<grammoboy>so normal 'default' Debian raid install and it should be ok?
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14:13<grammoboy>huh? so not this way http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
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14:13<grammoboy>!tell grammoboy about md
14:13<grammoboy>hm
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14:14<SynrG>!tell grammoboy about self-tell
14:14<grammoboy>k
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14:18<grammoboy>so I think I need this 6.3.3.4. Configuring Multidisk Devices (Software RAID)
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14:19<grammoboy>thx
14:19<SynrG>aye
14:19<grammoboy>no TLER pfew
14:19<SynrG>sorry, should've pointed you at the md factoid too, but you found it :)
14:19<grammoboy>yep was confusing at first, but it keeps myself sharp I guess
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14:22<Sicelo>a virtualbox question .. if i use 'Save Machine State' in vbox 4.0.10_Debian r72436, i have a problem with the time reported in the vm. the time also freezes, and continues fom the 'saved time state'. is it something i'm configuring wrong or something?
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14:29<TobiX>Sicelo: Is the hardware clock correct? "sudo hwclock -r"
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14:32<ralu>how do i set up two displays? I have currently two same images on both laptop and Hdmi and different resolution. But having 2 different images in each display would be better
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14:32<TobiX>!randr
14:32<dpkg>The X Resize, Rotate and Reflect Extension (RandR) allows the server to inform clients of desktop size (etc) changes, so they can update themselves. http://x.org/wiki/Projects/XRandR . Ask me about <xrandr>.
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14:33<TobiX>ralu: Use the xrandr command line tool or any GUI (arandr for example)
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14:35<Sicelo>TobiX: hwclock is fine
14:35<retrospectacus>I use nvidia-settings for that.
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14:35<ralu>i dont have nvidia
14:36<TobiX>Sicelo: Linux keeps it clock in userspace, which doesn't notice the VM was suspended
14:36<ralu>thanx TobiX
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14:36<TobiX>retrospectacus: Yeah, Nvidia never wants to play nice with the X server :(
14:36<retrospectacus>ralu: you may try the "monitors" preferences screen
14:36<retrospectacus>works great for me :)
14:37<Sicelo>yes, i'm aware of that. is it possible to get vbox to 'sync' with hwclock each time?
14:37<blast007>Sicelo: installing the guest additions into the VM might help with that.
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14:37<TobiX>Sicelo: The guest extensions do that, but maybe it was added after 4.0.10...
14:37<Sicelo>eew
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14:38<TobiX>Sicelo: There is a guest-extension package for Debian ;)
14:38<Sicelo>i will try Guest Additions, ye.. because i have also just found http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#idp20775216
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14:40<grammoboy>you don't make a /home partition when partitioning for raid 1?
14:40<retrospectacus>if you don't want to, you don't...
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14:40<SynrG>there's nothing about raid that dictates how you should or should not partition
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14:51<grammoboy>ok
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14:55<ralu>i am playing on dual monitors with adding extra displays, that is just great
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14:55<ralu>*pannels
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15:24<om>heeeelllo there
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15:24<retrospectacus>hi again om
15:24<joot_>hy men. canal en español cual es?
15:24<retrospectacus>!es
15:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:24<om>any idea how to use iceweasel with the common firefox's plugins? i'd like to install the web developer toolbar but it says it's not compatible with my firefox version.. hi again retrospectacus
15:25<babilen>om: You can install a newer Iceweasel version from http://mozilla.debian.net or backports (/msg dpkg backports)
15:25<retrospectacus>om: you probably just need a newer version of IW - it is fully compatible with firefox extensions
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15:25<retrospectacus>om: what babilen said
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15:25<om>oh my god, you guys are my salvation :)
15:26<om>i'll msg the omnipotent dpkg
15:26<retrospectacus>he's omniscient, not omnipotent
15:26<om>you're damn right.
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15:27<retrospectacus>or she... I forget
15:28<om>i think 'it' is the one you're looking for :P
15:29<retrospectacus>anyways the directions on http://mozilla.debian.net are all you need. You can learn lots from dpkg anytime though
15:30<om>i always forget because at this time of the day i'm reaaally tired and i would have to go to bed..
15:31<om>is it 'profane' to install some closed-source software on debian, such as skype?
15:32<retrospectacus>yes
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15:32<retrospectacus>but dpkg can tell you how to do that as well, anyways
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15:36<devil>om: it is profane on 32 bits. if 3rd party stuff has no native 65-bit version and your install is amd-64, the fun might begin right there
15:37<devil>om: specialy as debian is moving from ia-32 to multi-arch atm
15:37*retrospectacus can't wait to install debian 65-bit
15:37<om>this one thing is pretty spectacular actually. lol retrospectacus
15:37<devil>retrospectacus: :)
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15:38<devil>one bit more or less....
15:39<retrospectacus>it means we can address negative memory right?
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15:49<grammoboy>I've a nas server with 500 gb hdd, I want to upgrade to two hdd with raid
15:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 520] by debhelper
15:50<grammoboy>can I copy the 500 gb debian root system to the new 1tb hdd's in some way?
15:50<grammoboy>And what is a proper way to do that?
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15:57<dondelelcaro>grammoboy: how do you want the two new drives to be set up? raid1? or something else?
15:57<grammoboy>dondelelcaro, raid 1
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15:57<grammoboy>all though I just read:
15:57<grammoboy>"If you use software RAID, you may find
15:57<grammoboy>that the Debian installer is unable to install grub unless you use a
15:58<dondelelcaro>grammoboy: ok; in that case, you can just configure the raid partition, boot off of a rescue media, and then dcfldd if=/dev/sd<500gb> of=/dev/md0; or whatever is correct. You'll probably also need to rerun grub-install.
15:58<peterS>next question: can you plug all 3 drives in at the same time, or can you only plug in 2 at a time (in which case the migration is more complex as you have to do it in 2 stages, first plugging one new drive in along with the old, and later replacing the old with the second new)
15:58<dondelelcaro>(or use dd instead of dcfldd)
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15:59<grammoboy>only 2 drives
15:59<dondelelcaro>grammoboy: then you'll have to set up the raid array as degraded, and then do the copy, then stick the second drive in, and repair the raid array.
15:59<dondelelcaro>assuming you're using linux software raid. If you're using fakeraid or some other hardware raid, refer to the documentation for that raid on how to do it
16:00<grammoboy>software raid
16:00<grammoboy>as degraded?
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16:00<dondelelcaro>grammoboy: yes; a raid1 array with only one drive is degraded until the second drive is in and it's been resynced.
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16:01<grammoboy>the old drive is 500gb, the new one is 1tb
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16:02<grammoboy>root partitions might differ
16:02<grammoboy>in size
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16:02<dondelelcaro>grammoboy: they will be the same until you make them larger. You first want to copy the data, then worry about making the partitions larer.
16:02<dondelelcaro>s/larer/larger/
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16:04<grammoboy>dondelelcaro, so making a degraded raid, with the same root partition size as the 500gb drive has?
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16:04<peterS>grammoboy: start by plugging in the first 1T disk. Partition it as you wish, with a raid partition and perhaps a swap partition and whatnot
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16:05<peterS>grammoboy: then use 'mdadm' to create a raid1 array on the raid partition - this will be your root filesystem. you can specify 'missing' as one of the two devices you give to mdadm, to create a degraded array
16:05<om>damn audio... it's gone again!!! and i'm toooo tired to fix it now.... but how can it change at every boot??? i followed the instructions that dpkg gave me by letter.... :?:
16:05<peterS>grammoboy: at this point you should have a /dev/md0. You can either copy the partition raw, like dondelelcaro suggests, or you can copy the filesystem, which is how I'd do it
16:06<peterS>grammoboy: to copy the filesystem, I'd simplify by bind-mounting root: mkdir /mnt/old /mnt/new; mount --bind / /mnt/old
16:06<peterS>then mkfs.ext4 /dev/md0 or however you want to handle the new root filesystem
16:06<peterS>then mount /dev/md0 /mnt/new
16:06<grammoboy>thx, I'll do it step by step and will ask for futher advise if I need it
16:06<peterS>then cp -a /mnt/old/* /mnt/new
16:06<peterS>which will take awhile
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16:07<grammoboy>Im totally new to raid and stuff, so ...
16:07<peterS>Then 'grub-install /dev/sdb' where sdb is whatever the new SCSI disk happens to be
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16:08<grammoboy>do I need a /boot partition for raid?
16:08<peterS>my point is, if you copy the _filesystem_ instead of the _device_, you don't have to worry about partition sizes. But you do still have to worry about some grub stuff to make sure the thing will boot.
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16:08<peterS>you don't really need a /boot these days, no
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16:08<grammoboy>ok
16:09<peterS>if you were dealing in disks >= 2T, you would need a special grub boot partition, for technical reasons involving partition formats, but you're not, so you don't
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16:09<rudi_s>(You need a /boot partition if you use an encrypted disk without an external boot medium, e.g. an USB stick.)
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16:10<grammoboy>I don't think I encrypt it
16:10<grammoboy>it's for desktop usage in home environment
16:11<grammoboy>afterward encrypting might be possible?
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16:13<evan>Hello
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16:14<evan>I am wondering why I do not have a man page for gcc
16:14<rika>Do you have it installed?
16:14<evan>yes
16:15<Nemoder>gcc or gcc-doc?
16:15-!-benabderrahmanemed [~benabderr@41.97.208.194] has joined #debian
16:15<evan>just gcc
16:16<benabderrahmanemed>Hi every one
16:16<rika>Hello.
16:17<rudi_s>grammoboy: No. You need to reformat/repartition the drive. So when you start encrypting it you'll have to backup/restore the data anway, so don't worry.
16:17<torjeh>evan, In my /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian it says most of the documentation for gcc is licensed under GFDL and therefore not included in the main section.
16:17<rudi_s>evan: Install gcc-doc
16:17<benabderrahmanemed>is there someone who know python programmation ?
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16:18<rika>I know a small bit, but probably not enough to help out if you can't find the answer for your question online.
16:18<evan>gcc-doc has no installation candidate
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16:18<rudi_s>evan: It's in contrib.
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16:19<benabderrahmanemed>OK RIKA THNX
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16:19<rudi_s>And it depends on stuff which is non-free as torjeh explained.
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16:20<evan>okay thank you all
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16:20<rudi_s>np
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16:22<retrospectacus>benabderrahmanemed: go to #python on irc.oftc.net
16:22<retrospectacus>which is here, so type /j #python
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16:27<nmschulte>Debian Squeeze: I'm having issues with a Python script that uses gi.repository for libnotify and libglib (gobject). I have python-gobject installed, but I still get: ImportError: module gi.repository not found
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16:39<retrospectacus>benabderrahmanemed: join #python on irc.freenode.net - lots of people there
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16:39<nmschulte>Hi all; does Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> idle here, #debian-next, or #debian on freenode?
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16:42<benabderrahmanemed>ok thnx man
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16:42<retrospectacus>watzab: do you have a debian question?
16:43<watzab>oui
16:43<watzab>comment je peux crack un cle wifi
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16:44<watzab>sous unix
16:45<torjeh>nmschulte, To me it looks like the gi.repository module is a bit too bleeding edge for squeeze. Maybe this thread can enlighten you: http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/ZmlHygur1cIzvYVekTfG
16:45<retrospectacus>waztab This channel is for Debian support in English. We won't help you break into others' wifi
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16:46<nmschulte>torjeh: Well, it's interesting looking at this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590680
16:46<Schuyler>Am I correct in assuming that two Debian packages cannot install the same file?
16:46<Schuyler>I'm making two Python packages that share a top-level __init__.py
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16:46<nmschulte>It is closed from 2010; and the original author says that the fix works; and they are able to "from gi.repository import gobject"
16:46<Schuyler>do I have to put it in a separate package and have them both depend on it?
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16:50<nmschulte>torjeh: hmm... so there simply is no packaged python-gi on Squeeze I suppose. Thanks!
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16:51<torjeh>nmschulte, I really don't know. This is weird. Sorry I could not be of more help.
16:52<nmschulte>torjeh: no worries. I think that's the gist of it, given your link's text.
16:52<nmschulte>I could provde a python-gi module and then everything would hook as expected, but there is no packaged gi module it seems.
16:53<torjeh>nmschulte, yeah, but it's really weird that the bug report you linked to got closed as solved. Isn't it?
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16:58<nmschulte>torjeh: Yeah. I'm not so weirded that the maintainers decided to not push gir as stable, but more so that the folks filing the reports didn't follow up saying that it didn't fix the problem for them. :)
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17:00<torjeh>nmschulte, right. That makes sense. The import-statement worked much better on wheezy by the way. Just tested a one-line program. Anyways good night.
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17:03<nmschulte>nmschulte: boom
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17:11<stephan48>how do i properly preseed dbconfig-common for a package using it?
17:12<stephan48>i know the root pw for the mysqlserver
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17:14<ManuelCalavera>Hey people, I am having some problems with my Debian after I made an apt-get distro-upgrade. I posted the output of an apt-get update here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=85598
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17:16<dummy>hi everyone
17:17<retrospectacus>hi dummy
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17:17<devil>ManuelCalavera: what does apt-get -f install do (please pastebin the complete output)
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17:18<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: it looks like you have a syntax error in /etc/default/grub
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17:18<ManuelCalavera>done http://pastebin.com/iGa678se
17:19<devil>retrospectacus: are you referring to zz-update-grub?
17:20<retrospectacus>no, /etc/default/grub: 33: to: not found
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17:20<devil>ah, seen it now
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17:22<retrospectacus>so ManuelCalavera you probably uncommented a line you shouldn't have or wrote some junk in that file. Fix or pastebin it (use paste.debian.net please)
17:22<ManuelCalavera>I find it strange retrospectacus, I didn
17:23<ManuelCalavera>I don't remember changing the file, but nevertheless I will post the /etc/default/grub on pastebin
17:24<ManuelCalavera>oh wait I did'nt put an extra line there, right in the end this is because for some reason my pc cant reboot and I read this woudl fix it. And then I completely forgot about it http://pastebin.com/V4H6EJgc
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17:25<retrospectacus>get rid of it
17:25<retrospectacus>also
17:25<ManuelCalavera>I will comment the line and tried again
17:25<retrospectacus>!pastebin.com
17:25<dpkg>pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
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17:25<ManuelCalavera>thanks, will try.
17:25<retrospectacus>(try apt-get -f install again)
17:26<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: what you did there, should have been: put reboot=pci into the quotes on line 8
17:27<retrospectacus>no idea about that though
17:27<ManuelCalavera>I try doing a apt-get update/upgrade and now the problem is gone
17:28<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate ManuelCalavera
17:28<dpkg>Huzzah ManuelCalavera, you did it!
17:28<ManuelCalavera>shall I do an apt-get -f install also?
17:29<retrospectacus>sure, why not. -f is "fix" .. if you're OK it will do nothing
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17:29<ManuelCalavera>ok, everything seems fine now, I will reboot the pc
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17:32<ManuelCalavera>ok everytrhing seems ok, thanks <retrospectacus>
17:32<ManuelCalavera>I will reboot the pc now
17:32<ManuelCalavera>thanks again!
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17:38<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps
17:39<retrospectacus>hi
17:39<Eryn_1983_FL>is there a repo i can add that can get me old versions of the kernel?
17:39<Eryn_1983_FL>i can use the latest one i just updated to :(
17:39<Eryn_1983_FL>it borked xbmc
17:39<retrospectacus>can't?
17:39<Eryn_1983_FL>right
17:39<Eryn_1983_FL>lol
17:39<retrospectacus>just choose the old one at the grub screen
17:39<Eryn_1983_FL>its not there...
17:39<retrospectacus>why not?
17:40<Eryn_1983_FL>i tired that already
17:40<Eryn_1983_FL>heck if i know.
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17:40<retrospectacus>what version of debian are you running?
17:40<Eryn_1983_FL>all i got it the latest version and the safemode one
17:40<Eryn_1983_FL>squeeze
17:40<Schuyler>can you guys think of a reason that debuild signs my .deb with my GPG key, but then apt-get install complains that the packages are unverified?
17:40<Schuyler>I fed the armored key to apt-key add, and apt-key list shows the key
17:40<Eryn_1983_FL>is it allowed?
17:40<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: what kernel versions did you upgrade from and to?
17:41<Eryn_1983_FL> i linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 is what i got now
17:41<Eryn_1983_FL>i suspect -4
17:41<retrospectacus>ah
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17:41<ManuelCalavera>Thanks for the previous help retrospectacus. I still have the problem which led to found the previous errors, and that is that my system does not mount automatically devices that I connect like my cellphone or tablet...any suggestion from anyone?
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17:42<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: you can't see the old kernel in /boot ?
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17:42<Eryn_1983_FL>ls /boot/
17:42<Eryn_1983_FL>config-2.6.32-5-amd64 grub initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 System.map-2.6.32-5-amd64 vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
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17:42<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: run "dmesg|tail" after plugging and see what it's saying about your device
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17:43<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: well, going back to older kernels is not usually a good idea. You should solve the actual problem that has started (what is it?)
17:44<Eryn_1983_FL>i cant run my xbmc spread out over my two screen anymore
17:44<Eryn_1983_FL>it runs fine in the one but not both..
17:44<Eryn_1983_FL>weird,
17:44<ManuelCalavera>should I paste the output here? the devices are listed
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17:45<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: no... on the paste site perhaps, or tell us if there are some errors or anything
17:45<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: what's your video driver?
17:45<Eryn_1983_FL>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTX] (rev a2)
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17:46<Eryn_1983_FL>i did the one liner to install it
17:46<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: driver, not card
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17:46<Eryn_1983_FL> aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r| sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
17:47<ManuelCalavera>nope, no errors, it tells the product/manufacture/serialnumber and before that it says "New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4"
17:47<Eryn_1983_FL>:i nvidia-glx-ia32 - NVIDIA binary driver 32-bit libs
17:47<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: you'll need to do it again (just the first part before &&)
17:47<Eryn_1983_FL>sorry about pb that previous one
17:48<Eryn_1983_FL>upto the dkms?
17:48<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: what else? and what do you expect the system to do exactly when you plug it in?
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17:48<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: yeah
17:48<Eryn_1983_FL>it dosnt do anything
17:49<retrospectacus>then there's nothing wrong... you just need to configure your dual displays with nvidia-settings
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17:49<Eryn_1983_FL>http://sprunge.us/jOfD
17:49<Eryn_1983_FL>i did
17:49<Eryn_1983_FL>everything else works fine but xbmc
17:50<Eryn_1983_FL>whats can i possibly change in the settings to fix it?
17:50<retrospectacus>squeeze doesn't even have xbmc
17:50<ManuelCalavera>retrospectacus: normally it mounts automatically the devices under /media/ if I am not mistaken (with the respective drive icon on the desktop) , but now nothing shows up
17:50<Eryn_1983_FL>special repo
17:51<retrospectacus>Eryn_1983_FL: contact them for support then
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17:51<Eryn_1983_FL>i've tried,
17:51<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: does dmesg say anything about sdb or sdc etc.?
17:51<Eryn_1983_FL>they are ignorning me
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17:52<Eryn_1983_FL>or just not there
17:52<retrospectacus>try reinstalling the xbmc package or so
17:52<Eryn_1983_FL>hmm ok
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17:53<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: I mean, when you plug in the phone.
17:53<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: if not, you may need to configure the phone to act as "mass storage" instead of "windows portal" or whatever, after you plug it in. I had to do this on mine
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17:54<Eryn_1983_FL>nope
17:54<Eryn_1983_FL>sigh
17:54<Eryn_1983_FL>i'll go away for now
17:54<Eryn_1983_FL>ty for your help
17:54<retrospectacus>yw
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17:54<ManuelCalavera>retrospectacus: no, noting. My phone is an Sony Ericsson Arc S and it is configure to be a mass storage, not for USB debugging
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17:55<ManuelCalavera>retrospectacus: same in my tablet (nexus 7)
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17:56<retrospectacus>when I plug in my phone (Motorola Atrix) dmesg says sd 10:0:0:0: [sdg] Attached SCSI removable disk
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17:56<retrospectacus>then I have to unlock the phone
17:56<retrospectacus>THEN dmesg says sdh: FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
17:57<ManuelCalavera>when i plug my phone it says [ 1096.661837] usb 2-1.1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6
17:57<dawid1>Hi. I just instaled google chrome, right clik on .deb file --> instal by GDebi pacekd instaler. It shows that chrome is instaled, but... i cant find it anywhere. Does anyone know where it could be?
17:57<retrospectacus>mine does too ManuelCalavera
17:57<ManuelCalavera>if I unlock the phone, noting is registed on dmesg. And this worked fine before the distro upgrade
17:58<retrospectacus>dawid1: why not install chromium from the repositories
17:58<ManuelCalavera>dawid1: look on /opt/google/ I think it's there
17:58<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: but on the phone there is no setting for choosing how to behave on USB?
17:59<dawid1>Is chromium a exactly copy of chrome? I need something which is working very good with html5
18:00<dawid1>It is there where you said it will be. Thank you very, very much.
18:00<retrospectacus>chrome is Google's custom version of chromium, a free open source browser. Google has added user tracking and a logo. OFC chromium is good with html5
18:00<ManuelCalavera>retrospectacus: there is but it is set to work as normal
18:00<solstis>hello, would a complex Qt-based application have trouble running in XFCE? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/rosegarden in particular
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18:02<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: maybe try switching that to something else and back again (watching dmesg) but I am out of ideas
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18:02<dawid1>I thought about this chromium but wast sure. I will have read about it, maybe I will change it for chromium. I dont want to be observed by google corporation. Which of does two has better support (I mean html5 support)?
18:03<retrospectacus>identical
18:03<retrospectacus>!tell dawid1 about chromium
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18:04<dawid1>So f** google, I will go with chromium. Thank you very much! Regards, and good night :)
18:04<retrospectacus>smart
18:04<dawid1>!tell about chromium
18:05<retrospectacus>the robot messaged you about it in a new window/tab
18:05<dawid1>Oh, I havent seen that. Thanks
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18:06<dawid1>Ok. Thank you. See you around. Great support!
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18:10<ridge>whats this chat room about then
18:10<retrospectacus>Debian support.
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18:15<ManuelCalavera>retrospectacus: found the problem, if I use the Sony Companion to transfer data them it changes one of the configuration parameters on the phone under the Xperia menu
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18:18<retrospectacus>ManuelCalavera: I don't know what any of that is but nice work :)
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18:19<ManuelCalavera>same thing as with the nexus lol
18:19<Schuyler>can you guys think of a reason that debuild signs my .deb with my GPG key, but then apt-get install complains that the packages are unverified?
18:20<Schuyler>apt-key list - shows the key
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18:20<Schuyler>I can verify the signature in Release with it
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18:20<Schuyler>but apt-get insists on claiming that the packages are unverified
18:20<Schuyler>what should be I looking at?
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18:20<Schuyler>(is there a better channel to ask this in?)
18:20<retrospectacus>!tell Schuyler about mentors
18:21<retrospectacus>Schuyler: no idea but there might be some useful info in that factoid for you
18:21<Schuyler>thanks
18:21<canpolat>Hi. For apt-cache, is there an operation that always connects to the repositories? search? gencaches?
18:21<Schuyler>this isn't for the Debian archive proper... I just thought someone could clue me into how package signing works
18:21<Schuyler>thanks though
18:21<ManuelCalavera>retrospectacus,: btw, any recommendation on linux books/websites? I really want to learn more about Linux architecture and administration... I do have the "How Linux Works" book but still have pick it up
18:22<retrospectacus>canpolat: no. what do you want to do?
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18:22<retrospectacus>!tell ManuelCalavera about handbook
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18:23<canpolat>retrospectacus: I want to make sure that the proxy configuration is correct in apt.conf without actually downloading a package (or doing an apt-get update). Is that possible?
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18:24<babilen>Schuyler: It depends on how you create your repository -- dpkg-scanpackages, for example, won't sign. See "/msg dpkg own repo" for alternatives.
18:24<babilen>good night all
18:24<retrospectacus>canpolat: hmmm not sure, "apt-get download <some tiny package>" and rm it
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18:24<retrospectacus>nn babilen
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18:27<canpolat>retrospectacus: That's the only solution I have so far :) Would have been great if there was a simple ping option. Thank you anyway.
18:28<ManuelCalavera>ty for the tips and helping me out retrospectacus, see ya!
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18:46<ManuelCalavera>Hey people, I have a problem with my Nvidia card. Concerning the OpenGL/GLX Information on the NvidiaX Server Settings, I see the following message "Failed to query the GLX server vendor.". I guess this is the problem of why I can't play super meat boy. Any suggestions?
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18:48<Schuyler>babilen: thanks
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18:52<mc74x>hola se puede actualuzar debian squeeze a wheezy
18:53<retrospectacus>!tell mc74x about squeeze->wheezy
18:53<retrospectacus>mc74x: English only here.
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19:18<devil>ManuelCalavera: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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19:21<warp>Good evening or Добрый вечер?
19:22<warp>Is there anybody here? Есть тут кто?
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19:23<devil>warp: noone here
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19:24<warp>Some years ago, when I installed Debian for first time, I had a nice program. It does nothing, but simulated the project compiling window
19:24<warp>I don't shure but it was named something like caffeine.
19:25<warp>But now I can't find this program in repo
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19:25<warp>Maybe you're know this program?
19:26<warp>I'll need it before my wife is awake... )
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19:26<warp>Just want to look the concert of Grebenschikov on second monitor )
19:27<warp>Hmm... I'm need it or I'll need it. What is correct? )
19:27<retrospectacus>I'll
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19:28<retrospectacus>warp: not really sure what you're looking for
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19:29<warp>Hmm. Just a program, that will make a window with randomly generated text )
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19:29<warp>Which would like a compilators output
19:29<FlySwat>I'm trying to run wireshark with my normal account and it won't detect the network interface on it if I don't run it with root access.. how can I do that?
19:29<retrospectacus>FlySwat: be root
19:30<FlySwat>retrospectacus: yeah but I can only open a root session in the terminal.. do I need to find the prog and bash it from a root terminal?
19:31<warp>Nice idea. Wireshark's output will look seriously enough for non-expert user. Thanks )
19:31<retrospectacus>FlySwat: as user, "gksu wireshark"
19:32<retrospectacus>or gksudo, if that's what you use
19:32<retrospectacus>(su vs. sudo)
19:32<FlySwat>sudo bash wireshark?
19:32<retrospectacus>no
19:32<retrospectacus>gksudo wireshark
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19:33<FlySwat>ah sweet
19:33<FlySwat>gk stands for what?
19:33<FlySwat>anyhow thx it works now
19:34<retrospectacus>hmmm GTK I guess (gnome toolkit)
19:34<warp>btw. Is there somebody, who uses Microsoft natural ergonomic keyboard 4000 in Debian?
19:34<warp>I've tried to setup of zoom-trigger in the middle of kbd. But unsuccesfully
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19:35<warp>No. Tcpdump's output isn't like a compilers output
19:36<retrospectacus>actually it's Gimp toolkit... whatever
19:36<warp>Maybe you're could to hint me, how to make infinite compile-like output to console?
19:36<warp>*compiler-like
19:38<warp>when I used freeBSD i've just compiled the kernel in infinite cycle (while true)
19:38<warp>What can I do in Deb?
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19:39<lanman>hello
19:39<FlySwat>retrospectacus makes sense since i don't even use gnome lol
19:39<warp>hi
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19:43<retrospectacus>warp: well you could grab some large source tarball and compile it in a loop
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19:47<retrospectacus>warp: just because debian has great package management doesn't mean you *can't* compile things
19:47<warp>retro: I'm new in Deb )
19:48<warp>Just a few days ago. Before was windows for workstation and freeBSD for home server
19:49<warp>As I sayd - in BSD i just started kernel compiling in endless cycle. But I don't know how to do in in Dev
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19:49<warp>*Deb
19:49<retrospectacus>here it's Debian on the laptop, desktop, htpc, work PC, all work servers, netbook, everything...
19:50<warp>Some years ago i've seen an app, that creates a window with endless random generated compiler-like output in it
19:50<retrospectacus>warp: apt-get install build-essential, download any program's source and compile it over and over
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19:50<retrospectacus>I've never heard of any such app
19:51<themill>it's called "gentoo"
19:52<warp>I've don't need to compile a real project. I've just want to simulate it.
19:52<warp>It's night now. I looking a concert on YouTube.
19:53<warp>When my wife comes in my room, I want to show her the "pseudo compiler" and say: "I'll go to sleep when my project will be fully compiled. Not earlier".
19:53<warp>Just a little trick for my wife.
19:55<warp>So can you help me with this trouble?
19:55<FlySwat>warp: just dump your wife
19:55<FlySwat>lol just kidding
19:57<warp>She is in sleep mode now. But I afraid, that when son calls the interrupt she will awake and tries to interrupt my concert
19:57<retrospectacus>I'm not helping you decieve your wife. Tell her you're watching a concert and don't want to go to bed, or turn it off and go to bed
19:58<warp>I want to find a compromise )
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19:58<FlySwat>it's a pretty clever trick
19:58<retrospectacus>find a video of something compiling
19:59<MrFrood>warp: write a shell script to make the screen look busy
19:59<warp>But I don't know how to do it )
19:59<retrospectacus>yeah, do some crazy loops to make up URLs and wget them
20:00<MrFrood>warp: learn
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20:00<warp>Learn. It's nice, but not at 4:01pm, and not when I looking a concert
20:01<warp>And wife could come in any moment. So I've hoped for a fast solution for my problem )
20:04<warp>I'm regulary learning. Some days ago I finally deleted Windows and installed Deb. But there are very many things that I don't know about this OS. Learn, learn, and learn much more, as said Lenin )
20:07<retrospectacus>who goes to bed at 4pm anyways
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20:09<ridge>ugh, yeah not me...
20:09<warp>Hmm.. I've missed ) It's 4am, not 4pm. 4:00, but not 16:00 )
20:11<retrospectacus>who is still awake at 4am anyways
20:11<retrospectacus>:P
20:12<warp>My wife. Awakes to give a bottle with milk to my son )
20:12<warp>And to call me to a bed )
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20:13<retrospectacus>and you, apparently
20:15<warp>Ok. Drop out this problem. There is more actual problem - my Microsoft Ergonomic Natural Keyboard 400 has a zoom-trigger at a center. And it doesn't work in Deb. There is no official microsoft driver for linux. What can I do to make this trigger to work?
20:15<warp>*4000
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20:16<warp>As I learned from google - the trouble is that this key sends keycode more, then 255. And Deb can't understand this
20:16<warp>How could I fix it?
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20:20<warp>So there is no answer for any of my questions?
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20:23<warp>Ok. One more answer. What Virtual Machine could you advice to me for games on windows? Such as WoT, WoW
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20:24<warp>As I understand, I'll need to give my real videocard for using this virtual machine. Is there any variants?
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20:25<retrospectacus>if you insist on "needing" to play them, I recommend dual-boot
20:26<warp>Yes. I need windows just for games. But is there any variants without dual-boot?
20:27<warp>I've read about wine for World of Tanks, but there are problems with new patch
20:27<warp>*new patch for WoT
20:28<warp>wine couldn't correctly work with it
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20:28<retrospectacus>time for me to go home and have some beer and food. Good luck!
20:28<warp>ANd I couldn't find the solution
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20:28<warp>good luck for you too
20:29<warp>20 mins, concert ends and I'll go to sleep too. 3 hours till the working )
20:29<warp>Maybe, before you're go out
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20:30<warp>You can tell me, where find the solutions for my problems?
20:30<warp>Not a google, please. I've banned there.
20:30<retrospectacus>haha
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20:30<retrospectacus>I told you! 1) just go to sleep, or tell her you will after the concert 2) dual-boot
20:31<retrospectacus>bye
20:31<warp>Bye,
20:31<warp>Answer is negative. Will search deeper. Good Night
20:33<devil>banned on google? how does that work?
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20:34<warp>1. Ask a stupid question
20:34<warp>2. Ask a stupid question
20:34<warp>3. ...
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20:34<warp>4. while true { ask a stupid question; }
20:34<warp>5. PROFIT
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20:35<warp>devil, but really, it's just a joke
20:36<warp>I'd meaned, that i've googled, but can't find a solution. So I've asking in #debian, hoped, that there I'll get the answer
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20:53<pic>please guys never put prelinking on debian...what are RH/Fedora/Centos thinking when it comes to servers
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20:53<pic>how the hell are you meant to secure them!!!
20:54<pic>aide and well any system system worth it's salt freaks.
20:55<pic>..sorry just found out what this does when it comes to secure systems.
20:55*pic calms down.
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