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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-10-04

---Logopened Thu Oct 04 00:00:25 2012
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00:20<McClein>hello, i have a pptpd vpn running between linux and winxp and I don't know how to share a folder or browse the vpn
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00:33<prim3>I know nobody really knows but does anybody dare to take guess when Wheezy is comming out of freeze?
00:33<sney>early 2013-ish
00:33<sney>sooner if you help
00:34<sney>!wheezy pool
00:34<dpkg>See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>.
00:34<prim3>sney not say I will/can but where is the list of things that need to be done?
00:35<sney>http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
00:36<prim3>I would think the whole multiarch thing is going to be a bitchX. The mans etc for lets say WINE (Booo)
00:36<prim3>sney thx for the url. Ill take a look.
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00:52<alfieo>hello anyone online
00:52<alfieo>how to install back the APT i lost it
00:52<alfieo>anyone
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01:07<McClein>hello, i have a pptpd vpn running between linux and winxp and I don't know how to share a folder or browse the vpn
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01:10<sney>McClein: a vpn is just a network. you need to have a file server running if you want to share folders on it. treat it the same as you would treat a home network
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01:12<McClein>sney how do i setup shared folders
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01:12<sney>McClein: I just told you.
01:14<McClein>if i type \\serverIP in the target machine i can't reach it
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01:19<real>McClein: you have to read and understand what sney told you
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01:20<McClein>do you mean i h ave to have both samba and vnc running? real?
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01:22<McClein>i know how to share a folder in smb.conf but I don't know how to share a folder though vpn
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01:22<real>McClein: erm ... vnc? i thought you want a file server ...
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01:23<McClein>vpn
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01:26<real>McClein: your samba should listen on a ip that is reachable from within the vpn.
01:26<McClein>do you know how can i test it?
01:26<real>oh boy
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01:30<real>McClein: you could do a "netstat -anpl -A inet" on your file server
01:30<McClein>thanks
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01:33<McClein>my server is linux
01:33<McClein>thanks anyway
01:34<real>.oO(am i talking to a eliza bot?)
01:36<Calinou>.o0(real: you are not)
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02:31<Eddie>Pessoal........faz muito tempo q não uso irc, coisa de 10 anos no mínimo ( if english is the must, please, notify me )
02:31<Eddie>mas.......vou ser rápido ( but , I ill be fast )
02:32<Eddie>I need to know a channel to talk about privacy violation from 4shared
02:32<Eddie>I used the search box
02:32<Eddie>but did not find anything, yet
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02:46<luca_>ciao
02:46<luca_>!list
02:46<dpkg>luca_: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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03:53<lulz>hi guys
03:53<lulz>can someone help me out
03:53<lulz>real fast
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03:54<Guest473>?
03:54<Guest473>anyone
03:54<Guest473>or chat dead
03:54<shweppsie>?
03:54<Guest473>okay
03:54<Guest473>you see
03:55<Guest473>i installed vbox for 1 program that i need on windows, and i keep getting this error http://i.imgur.com/Q1Acb.png and i tried everyting it says to do, but the excute part doesnt work
03:56<shweppsie>Are you using the debian version of virtualbox or the proprietary version from oracle?
03:56<themill>Guest473: did you do what the error message said?
03:56<Guest473>yes
03:56<Guest473>when i do the modprobe part
03:56<Guest473>it says this
03:56<Guest473>1sec
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03:57<themill>the error message says nothing about modprobe
03:57<Guest473>ik sorry wrong thing
03:57<Guest473>lol
03:59<Guest473>http://pastebin.com/0KbFmKPP
03:59<Guest473>^^
03:59<themill>Guest473: are you using the virtualbox packages from backports.debian.org too?
04:00<Guest473>I dont know all i did was install the .deb package on the offical vbox site
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04:00<towo^work>Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae cannot be found at
04:00<themill>that would be "no"
04:00<towo^work>that sayes all
04:00<shweppsie>Right so you're using th proprietary version of virtualbox
04:00<themill>Guest473: the error message tells you what to do again
04:00<themill>shweppsie: s/proprietary version/oracle packages/
04:01<Guest473>oh and im on crunch bang if that matters
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04:01<themill>Guest473: please ask them where to get the appropriate headers from then.
04:02<themill>#crunchbang is on irc.freenode.net
04:02<Guest473>themill: i tried hackforums.net, crunchbanglinuxforums, there irc
04:02<Guest473>i already tried so many sites
04:02<Guest473>crunch bang is debian.. sorta
04:02<Guest473>its just debian with DE's i do believe
04:02<themill>*shrug* the availability of support should be part of the decision process for you choosing a distro then
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04:03<themill>Guest473: openbox is already in debian. If crunchbang were debian, it would be called "debian"
04:04<towo^work>since a bpo-kernel is installed, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) souuld work
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04:05<themill>a kernel headers metapackage would be better... but I have no idea if that kernel is actually from bpo or not
04:05<towo^work>3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae i would say, hes
04:05<towo^work>s/h/y
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04:06<themill>towo^work: or maybe crunchbang is producing kernels like that too. recompiling them for their own users. I have no idea and don't intend to find out.
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04:08<towo^work>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-3.2&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports
04:08<towo^work>it's from bpo
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04:11<themill>towo^work: no, it *might* be from bpo.
04:11<themill>towo^work: any moron can make a package with that name and install it. That's the biggest reason we don't support derivatives in #debian.
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04:17<ltatstill>miao
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04:31<dummy>hi everyone, does anyone know the path where the ubuntu software center is installed?
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04:32<Thorgrin>msg dpkg ubuntu
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04:32<Thorgrin>ouch
04:33<Thorgrin>!tell dummy about ubuntu
04:33<daemonkeeper>Ehm, except that Debian features Ubuntu software center as well?
04:33<Thorgrin>really? I'm sorry then
04:33<daemonkeeper>apt-get install software-center
04:34<peter1138>so then... dpkg -L software-center
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05:00<grammoboy>raid, a spare disk is for example a third drive for if one of the two drives fails?
05:00<grammoboy>with the same space available as the other 2 disks?
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06:09<grammoboy>hm I'm trying to partitioning the drives in my qnap server to install debian on it, but I do get this GPT warning
06:09<grammoboy>http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1349345303.png
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06:23<grammoboy>hm now the partitioning hangs for quite some time on 33%
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06:34<grammoboy>now the partitioner stops at 57%
06:35<grammoboy>I need some advise here
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06:39<jm_>you can always create partitions by hand on tty2
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07:25<grammoboy>I made a raid partion for root and one for swap
07:25<grammoboy>if I want to have a /home partition, should I make a raid partition for that?
07:25<grammoboy>what is good partitioning practice for raid1?
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07:31<shweppsie>generally I run lvm on top of my raid arrays. So the raid partitions are more about the configuration I'm after.
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07:32<grammoboy>I want to install a degraded raid
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07:33<grammoboy>is that possible via the debian installer?
07:33<grammoboy>I'm quite new to this
07:33<grammoboy>peterS, ping
07:33<peterS>grammoboy: pong (automated, see http://err.no/personal/blog/2006/Oct/10)
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07:34<grammoboy>heh :)
07:34<shweppsie>grammoboy: Why do you want to start with a degraded array?
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07:34<grammoboy>shweppsie, because I want to move an existing 500 gb non raid installation to my new 2x 1tb raid 1 installation
07:35<grammoboy>it was advised yesterday to do it like this
07:35<grammoboy>but I'm not sure how exactly, using the debian installer
07:36<grammoboy>it seems you have to select at least 2 drivees
07:36<shweppsie>I'm still not sure why you want to do a degraded array. But no the installer will probably not let you do that.
07:36<shweppsie>You'll need to do that from the command line
07:37<grammoboy>"<peterS> grammoboy: start by plugging in the first 1T disk. Partition it as you wish, with a raid partition and perhaps a swap partition and whatnot"
07:38<shweppsie>I assume you can't put all the disks in the machine at the same time then.
07:38<grammoboy>http://fpaste.org/TIAm/
07:39<grammoboy>do a normal debian install
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07:39<grammoboy>and do the raid stuff afterwards?
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07:40<shweppsie>I don't quite understand why you're using the installer to do this?
07:41<shweppsie>not that it matters really.
07:41<shweppsie>Just jump into tty2
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07:41<grammoboy>atm I've a 109 qnap debian install with 500gb
07:41<grammoboy>I bought a 209 with 2 x 1tb for raid
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07:41<shweppsie>Is this on one of the two 1TB disks?
07:42<grammoboy>now I want to use the 109 system (500gb) on the 209 install
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07:42<grammoboy>the 109 is a 500gb disk
07:42<grammoboy>the two in the 209 are both 1tb
07:43<shweppsie>Ahh it's starting to come together now.
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07:43<grammoboy>:)
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07:44<shweppsie>right. So it can only take 2 disks. This explains much. So you put the 500G and 1 of the 2TB disks in.
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07:44<grammoboy>it was advised to do one 1tb first
07:45<grammoboy>see the paste
07:45<shweppsie>sorry I meant to say 1 of the 1TB disks in
07:45<shweppsie>but sure you can only have one 1TB disk in if you like
07:45<shweppsie>use the live disk. Got to a tty
07:45<shweppsie>set up a raid 0 on the disk but use --missing
07:46<shweppsie>so it lets you set it up without the other disk
07:46<shweppsie>raid 1 even. Sorry.
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07:48<grammoboy>hm ok, so I need to find out how to setup raid via the console
07:49<grammoboy>first about partitioning, so you create one raid partition for every debian partition, eg one for / one for /home one for swap?
07:49<grammoboy>*so = do
07:50<shweppsie>grammoboy: I wouldn't. I'd make one large partition. And then set up LVM on top of that. LVM allows you to create virtual partitions inside the one big raid partition.
07:51*grammoboy googles LVM
07:51<shweppsie>If you don't want something inside the raid 1 then you'll need to put that in a separate partitions. Say swap for example.
07:51<shweppsie>As you don't want a mirror of a swap partition.
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07:52<grammoboy>ok, so you do that for swap but not for /home
07:52<shweppsie>Yeah, well assuming you want home to be in the mirror
07:52<grammoboy>LVM is that good for a backup / multimedia server?
07:52<grammoboy>right
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07:53<shweppsie>LVM is just a way of putting virtual partitions inside the raid partition (it has other features but you'll probably not need them).
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07:54<grammoboy>it adds just more luxury to my system ... ?
07:55<giver>what does?
07:55<grammoboy>LVM
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07:56<giver>not sure why you need it
07:57<grammoboy>and some installation guides use a /boot partition
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07:58<grammoboy>hm I don't think i need that
07:58<grammoboy>"<peterS> if you were dealing in disks >= 2T, you would need a special grub boot partition, for technical reasons involving partition formats, but you're not, so you don't"
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07:59<grammoboy>keep it simple? leave LVM out
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07:59<shweppsie>That's different again. Don't worry about that. Yeah maybe keep things simpler and just go without LVM then.
07:59<grammoboy>this is what I've now
07:59<grammoboy>http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1349351975.png
08:00<grammoboy>I'll leave the second drive out
08:00<giver>what do you guys think on the whole freebsd vs gnu/linux debate?
08:01<grammoboy>I'll replace that with the 500gb drive first to move the debian installation
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08:01<grammoboy>now I've to jump into tty2?
08:02<shweppsie>grammoboy: Once you've written those partitions, yeah.
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08:04<grammoboy>shweppsie, no root system defined
08:05<grammoboy>hm I've to setup raid to make a / partition ...?
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08:05<shweppsie>When did it say that.
08:06<shweppsie>To write those partitions just press "Configure Software Raid"
08:06<shweppsie>I'm pretty sure It'll trigger the partitions to be written.
08:07<grammoboy>you'll need an MD device for the / partition right?
08:08<shweppsie>Yeah. But you haven't even created the raid yet, so you won't have one.
08:08<shweppsie>But yes, you'll need to create one.
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08:09<grammoboy>but it needs 2 disks for that
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08:09<grammoboy>hm maybe restore that afterwards via mdadm and 'missing'
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08:12<shweppsie>You're just working on two blank disks at the moment. So just have a play. You can always blank them again. I'm sure you can work it out.
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08:19<grammoboy>you make an MD device for each partition you like to have, eg / /home and swap?
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08:19<shweppsie>That'll work yup.
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08:20<shweppsie>wait
08:20<shweppsie>don't put swap in an MD
08:20<shweppsie>You don't want to mirror swap
08:20<shweppsie>just make that a normal partition.
08:21<shweppsie>if you make one swap partition on each disk linux will stripe them.
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08:22<grammoboy>ok hmm this guy is using a md device for swap afaik http://youtu.be/19mqWyGidVY?t=3m15s
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08:25<grammoboy>ai partitioner hangs at 33%
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08:27<grammoboy>http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1349353617.png
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08:28<grammoboy>ah there it is
08:28<grammoboy>patience is a virtue apparently
08:28<shweppsie>grammoboy: indeed.
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08:29<grammoboy>I'm used to windows and then you never have to wait that long
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08:32<grammoboy>shweppsie, swap on a normal partition? not even a raid partition?
08:32<shweppsie>grammoboy: well you don't want to mirror swap right?
08:33<grammoboy>shweppsie, nope
08:33<shweppsie>Then no, you don't want it in a raid partition.
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08:34<grammoboy>hm default is Logical partition
08:34<grammoboy>that's the right choice for the swap partition?
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08:36<grammoboy>what if one hdd crashes in the raid1, is my system still bootable?
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08:36<grammoboy>if the drive crashes with the swap partition, then at least that one is gone afaik ...
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08:37<peter1138>i put swap on a mirror
08:37<peter1138>seems pointless not to
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08:39<grammoboy>the howtos I've seen are making the swap on a md device
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08:40<grammoboy>"/dev/md1 (made up of /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2): swap;"
08:40<peter1138>yes
08:40<peter1138>it's normal
08:40<peter1138>i don't know why you wouldn't
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08:42<grammoboy>you can just make one MD on one raid partition it seems
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08:43<grammoboy>so I need 3 raid partitions for / /home and swap
08:43<grammoboy>afaik
08:43<peter1138>yeah that works
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09:00<grammoboy>20 gb for / should be ok I think
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09:02<grammoboy>http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1349355759.png
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09:03<grammoboy>partition sheme
09:03<grammoboy>table
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09:14<grammoboy>I've setup the partitioning for raid 1, on two drives.
09:14<grammoboy>what is the best way to continue, finish the installation and change the raid with --missing afterwards or jump into tty2 right now?
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09:16<grammoboy>ah no choice 'installing base system'
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09:30<grammoboy>peterS, I'm installing debian as raid 1 now on the two 1tb drives
09:30<grammoboy>I guess I can transform it to a degraded raid after install
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10:48*grammoboy has debian raid 1 installed
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10:48*grammoboy now needs to make it a 'degraded raid1'
10:49<Patagonicus>grammoboy: Huh? Why?
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10:51<grammoboy>Patagonicus, I want to move my previous server install to the new one
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10:51<grammoboy>Patagonicus, old is non raid, 500gb , new is a raid 1 with 2x 1tb
10:51<grammoboy>so I want to insert the 500 Gb drive and copy it to the new install
10:52<grammoboy>that's why I need a temp degraded raid
10:52<grammoboy>afaik
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10:52<Patagonicus>Ah, yes, if theres only space for one drive. Though maybe you could have created it as degraded in the first place, but that wouldn't really change much.
10:53<grammoboy>I was trying to install a degraded debian raid 1 system, but the debian-installer didn't allow me to do so
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10:54<grammoboy>it needed a root partition for partitioning and 2 raid drives for making a root partition, so I was stuck in a circle afaik
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10:54<grammoboy>but you're right, new situation, we've to move on :)
10:55<grammoboy>I'll check it out later tonight
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10:55<grammoboy>thx
10:55<grammoboy>bbl
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11:01<leo>hi, i try to use nvidia twinview; unfortunately one monitor will not be activated (altogh he is recognized, i know this cause i can only see the half of fluxbox toolbar); here is my xorg.conf of my twinview: paste.debian.net/196171/ and the log file with the relevant section: http://paste.debian.net/196176 ; both monitors via "xinerama" working without problems (xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/196170 ) anyone an idea?
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11:29<Stereo>hello
11:30<Stereo>I have a machine where I can ssh and then su to root, but logging in as root on the console doesn't work
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11:30<Stereo>similarly, logging in on the console with a regular account doesn't work.
11:31<Stereo>auth.log has these two lines:
11:31<Stereo>Oct 4 17:30:32 debian login[1903]: pam_unix(login:auth): authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/tty1 ruser= rhost= user=root
11:31<Stereo>and
11:31<Stereo>Oct 4 17:30:35 debian login[1903]: FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/tty1' FOR 'root', Authentication failure
11:31<Stereo>is there a way to get more details?
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11:48<ribe>why must apt-get update perform over 300 checks every time I run it?
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11:49<rudi_s>Stereo: I'm not really sure, but check /etc/securetty and /etc/pam.d/ for more information.
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11:49<Maulkin>ribe: Because you have loads of sources in your sources.list?
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11:49<Maulkin>Or you know, you can just leave.
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11:50<rudi_s>...
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11:51<Stereo>rudi_s: actually, I just found out the keymap was messed up
11:51<Stereo>thank you very much :)
11:51<rudi_s>Ah. So the message was correct. Wrong password. - You're welcome ;-)
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12:03<lepc>JJ
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12:04<Maulkin>Quite.
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12:13<juan>whatup
12:14<Maulkin>Um, hi
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12:14<retrospectacus>mornin'
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12:58<cybes>NickServ I
12:58<cybes>oops
12:59<cybes>hello all
13:00<cybes>i don't know why there is no intel kernel X86_64 for debian..pls tell me why
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13:00<towo`>cybes, its named amd64
13:01<cybes>but i can't install backtrack..its saying i need 64 bit
13:01<cybes>but i think the kernel is 64 bit (amd64)
13:01<cybes>tow`
13:01<cybes>sorry towo`
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13:02<cybes>unique name towo`(wonders whats the meaning)
13:02<retrospectacus>backtrack is a different OS, not supported here.
13:03<cybes>hi there retro
13:03<cybes>:)
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13:03<cybes>but i asked because its saying i need a 64-bit kernel
13:03<retrospectacus>hi cybes, what are you trying to do today?
13:03<retrospectacus>what is saying that?
13:04<cybes>pls i'll type
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13:05<cybes>"This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU Unale to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU
13:05<cybes>->this is the message
13:05<towo`>it's a riddle
13:05<cybes>lol
13:05<towo`>i would oracle, he is trying that in vbox
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13:06<cybes>yeah exactly..i'm using qemu in debian
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13:06<retrospectacus>cybes: it means you are trying to install a 64-bit OS but you only have a 32-bit processor
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13:06<themill>cybes: you need to be trying to install the i386 arch not the amd64 arch.
13:06<towo`>if the host is 64bit, why?
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13:07<cybes>retro: i'm having 64 bit
13:07<towo`>qemu-x64 should do the job
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13:07<towo`>or so
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13:07<retrospectacus>then it is a problem with qemu
13:07<cybes>i'm having qemux64
13:08<towo`>you start with qemu-system-x86_64
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13:08<themill>umm... why are we assuming the host is 64 bit?
13:08<cybes>themill: you are saying to install 32 bit backtrack?
13:08<towo`>bactrack does not make many sense in a vm
13:08<cybes>ok so i should apt-get qemu-system-x86_64...right?
13:08<towo`>no
13:08<cybes>then...
13:09<towo`>you have to use qemu-system-x86_64 as command
13:09<towo`>not qemu
13:09<cybes>oh ok i'm goin to try that...
13:10<towo`>abd again, backtrack in a vm is nearly useless
13:10<towo`>*and
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13:10<cybes>oh towo` that worked dude\
13:11<cybes>but why you said its useles
13:11<cybes>pls i'm just a beginner in this
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13:11<towo`>cybes, ask yourself, for what backtrack is
13:11<towo`>thrn you have the answer
13:11<cybes>i'm going to try a wireless testing in backtrack..won't that work in virtual
13:11<towo`>there is no wireless inside of the vm
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13:12<towo`>qemu is a emulator
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13:12<towo`>so there is no real hardware in
13:12<cybes>no...?
13:12<cybes>but i thought in virtual box...there is networking tooo in virtual
13:12<cybes>not in qemu?
13:12<towo`>even in vbox there is no wireless nic
13:13<retrospectacus>it's virtual networking, there's no harware
13:13<retrospectacus>hardware*
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13:13<towo`>the hardware is all emulated besides you do pci- or usb-passthrough
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13:13<towo`>and btw, qemu is lame as hell
13:14<cybes>so isn't there any way using virtual machine for backtrack?
13:14<towo`>and usb in qemu is a pita
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13:15<cybes>bcoz i don't need to destroy my box with any error that i make
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13:16<cybes>but i've used internet in virtual box..and i thought then backtrack could also use the network devices
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13:17<cybes>sorry..i know backtrack isn't right to discuss here...i asked becoz i can't get from somewhere
13:18<musca>!virtualization
13:18<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
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13:20<cybes>thanks musca..but that isn't my problem..i need to know how backtrack could be used in virtualization with networking
13:21<cybes>thanks towo`, retrospectacus...see ya all
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14:12<stefans>hi
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14:23<s1ck>hi! how can I determine which usb controller a usb device is plugged into?
14:23<daemonkeeper>lsusb
14:24<s1ck>that just shows me what bus and what ID the device is on. I need to know the BDF of the usb controller
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14:29<s1ck>thats not of use either. I need the BDF of the usb controller, as seen in lspci
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14:32<ridge>I've been having live file system problems everytime i try to open up a linux operating system. Ubuntu, lubuntu and backtrack all have the same issue on my desktop. It works on mine and a friends laptop for some reason. It says "unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
14:33<ridge>other distros have the same effect
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14:34<retrospectacus>ridge: this is #debian. try #linux on chat.freenode.net
14:34<ridge>thanks retrospectacus
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14:52<stefans_>hekko
14:52<stefans_>hello
14:52<retrospectacus>hi
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14:53<stefans_>were are you from?
14:54<retrospectacus>Canada. Do you have a debian question?
14:55<stefans_>I'm from latvia :d
14:55<stefans_>:
14:55<stefans_>d
14:55<stefans_>:d
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14:56<retrospectacus>Astounding. This channel is for debian support. If you just want to chat, join #moocows
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14:56<stefans_>yes
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14:57<osama>hey
14:57<osama>whatsup
14:58<osama>anyone out there
14:58<osama>Hello
14:58<retrospectacus>yes
14:58<osama>how are u doing?
14:58<retrospectacus>Great. Do you have a debian question?
14:58<osama>nope just looking around
14:58<retrospectacus>This channel is for debian support. If you just want to chat, join #moocows
14:58<osama>ok thanks
14:59<osama>can I install starcraft 2 on linux ubuntu
14:59<babilen>!ubuntuirc
14:59<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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15:27<steve_>hi- i am having trouble getting dual monitors to work on squeeze
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15:28<steve_>when i click on system->prefrences->monitors in gnome, and then click on 'detect monitors', it wont detect the dual monitors
15:28<steve_>whazzzup with dat?
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15:30<devil>no patience...
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15:36<ManuelCalavera>Hey people, I have a little problem with my Nvidia Card, when I go to OpenGL/GLX on the menu it reads "Failed to query the GLX server vendor." I found this error because I was trying to play Super Meat Boy and it gave me this error: "SDL_SetVideoMode(640, 480, 0, SDL_OPENGL) failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual;Fatal Error: SDL_SetVideoMode()" failed any advice?
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15:37<Nemoder>ManuelCalavera: which video driver are you using?
15:37<grammoboy>peterS, any idea how I can move from a raid 1 to a degraded raid?
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15:38<ManuelCalavera>on the xorg.conf I read nvidia
15:38<ManuelCalavera>Nemoder: on the xorg.conf I read nvidia is the selected driver
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15:39<Nemoder>ManuelCalavera: is direct rendering available? glxinfo | grep direct
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15:40<ManuelCalavera>Nemoder: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig; Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
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15:40<ManuelCalavera>Nemoder: the last message (Xlib: ...) keeps getting repeated
15:41<Nemoder>ManuelCalavera: it sounds like the driver didn't load properly, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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15:45<ManuelCalavera>Nemoder: yeah, I appear to have some problems. Could you take a look? http://paste.debian.net/196278/
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15:46<Nemoder>I would suggest reinstalling the video driver
15:46<Nemoder>!nvidia
15:46<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages) or <nvidia dkms>. For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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15:48<peterS>grammoboy: to create a raid1 array as degraded, use 'mdadm --create ... /dev/sdb1 missing' where you say 'missing' in place of the second RAID partition that you want it to use. Presumably you do this on a system where /dev/sda is your old 500 GB disk and /dev/sdb is one of your new 1000 GB disks, partitioned such that sdb1 is the raid partition
15:49<peterS>the ... is the other arguments to mdadm that I am too lazy to look up for you, so you get to look them up yourself
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15:50<grammoboy>hm ok, what is wisdom here ...
15:51<grammoboy>now I've a raid 1 system with the 2 1tb drives
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15:51<peterS>then I guess you're done
15:51<grammoboy>no :)
15:51<peterS>that was your desired end result, was it not?
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15:52<grammoboy>i was trying to install a degraded raid1 with debian-installer
15:52<grammoboy>but that wasn't possible
15:52<grammoboy>so i installed a full raid installation
15:52<peterS>if you're using debian-installer, it means you are doing a new install, not copying an old install
15:52<grammoboy>but haven't copied the old install
15:52<peterS>clearly you aren't taking anything like the approach I suggested yesterday
15:53<grammoboy>I tried but misunderstood a part apparently
15:53<grammoboy>I thought I could make the degraded raid via d-i
15:53<peterS>well, I never mentioned debian-installer at all, so you misunderstood quite a bit it seems
15:53<grammoboy>alas I assumed it then
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15:53<grammoboy>doesn't matter
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15:55<grammoboy>what's best to do now
15:55<dckx>hi. I'm somehow stuck in configuring /etc/default/console-setup. I want the use the next smaller font than 8x16, but 4x8 isn't found. Does anybody no how the configure the FONTSIZE?
15:55<dckx>*know
15:55<peterS>I would do what I suggested yesterday. Start with a 500 GB disk a 1000 GB disk. Boot the 500 GB disk. That would be your original install. Then partition your 1000 GB disk the way you want it, and create a degraded raid1 array on it.
15:56<grammoboy>how do I make sure the 500 gb is booted and not the 1tb?
15:56<peterS>grammoboy: should be configurable in your BIOS
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15:57<peterS>but typically if you have an ATA or SATA controller, whichever disk appears first on it is the one the BIOS will boot
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15:58<peterS>dckx: historically, VGA text mode requires each character to be 8 or 9 pixels wide. Thus not a lot of bitmap fonts have been created for that sort of purpose, that are not either 8 or 9 pixels wide
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16:00<grammoboy>ok let's try it
16:00<dckx>peterS: ok. is there another way to reduce the size of the characters without installing X?
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16:40<grammoboy>peterS, hm I've installed the 500 gb hdd on the hdd 1 place in the qnap, but the 1 tb seems to be booted. I don't find a /etc/default/grub file
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16:40<peterS>how to tell your hardware to boot a particular disk, I don't know. I don't own a "qnap".
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16:41<grammoboy>there is debian installed on it
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16:48<grammoboy>can I format one of the two raid 1 hdd?
16:49<peterS>what I'd probably do is wipe its partition table and the beginning of the first filesystem, with something like 'dd bs=1M count=50 < /dev/zero > /dev/sdb'. (Of course you need to be absolutely sure that sdb really is the 1T disk here. use 'cat /proc/partitions'.)
16:49<peterS>then reboot. it will be _unable_ to boot from the 1T disk and hopefully, if it's smart enough to try to boot the secondary disk at all, it's also smart enough to boot the primary disk when the secondary disk has no OS on it
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16:50<peterS>but this is a destructive operation, you'll need to repartition and recreate the raid volume(s) afterwards
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16:51<grammoboy>http://fpaste.org/dndu/
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16:51<grammoboy>cat /proc/partitions
16:51<peterS>yes...
16:51<Patagonicus>peterS: why use shell redirection when dd supports if= and of=?
16:51<peterS>Patagonicus: why ise if= and of= when the shell supports redirection?
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16:52<Patagonicus>peterS: could imagine that stuff like bs works better if dd opens the files itself. In regards to speed and cpu/memory usage.
16:52<daemonkeeper>Because the shell redirection probably pipes the data stream through its own memory, yielding to a higher computation overheard, whereas dd may use mmap
16:53<peterS>Patagonicus: why would you think that?
16:53<peterS>daemonkeeper: why would you think that?
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16:53<peterS>anyway ... as it happens, the fact that the shell opens the files makes not a bit of difference
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16:54<peterS>now if you say "cat /dev/zero | dd bs=1M count=50 > /dev/sdb', with 2 programs, 1 pipe and 1 redirecton, _that_ will be less efficient
16:54<peterS>but 'dd < foo > bar' is no better or worse than 'dd if=foo of=bar'
16:55<grammoboy>sdb is the 1tb drive
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16:56<peterS>grammoboy: now if you want to keep those partitions, of course there are other options than just wiping the partition table and starting over. There may be other ways to tell your BIOS which disk to boot.
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16:56<peterS>last resort, you could plug your second disk into a USB or eSATA cradle or something, and not plug it in until after the OS has booted
16:56<grammoboy>I don't think I've that
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16:57<Patagonicus>peterS: Hmm, guess you're right. Should have known that it doesn't matter.
16:57<Patagonicus>grammoboy: How about using the grub commandline to boot from the other drive?
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16:57<peterS>Patagonicus: now of course there are times when dd 'if=' and 'of=' are useful. For example, if you want to use 'conv=notrunc', you need to use of=, because the shell '>' operator will truncate the output file before dd has a chance to _not_ truncate it
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16:59<peterS>Patagonicus: but in the present case, truncation is meaningless - you can't "truncate" a block device (:
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17:00<grammoboy>Patagonicus, that is possible?
17:00<peterS>Patagonicus: another example: if you're using dd with 'sudo', it makes a difference whether the shell opens the files (as your user) or dd opens the files (as root).
17:01<grammoboy>Patagonicus, I can't find the /etc/default/grub file, I wonder if there is a grub at all
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17:01<Patagonicus>grammoboy: Uhm, how does your debian boot, then?
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17:01<peterS>grammoboy: do you even have grub installed? if I remember correctly, qnap is an ARM based platform. Does Debian use grub to boot an ARM? I honestly don't know offhand.
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17:02<grammoboy>grub doesn't seem to be installed
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17:03<grammoboy>hm maybe my father has such a usb cradle ...
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17:05<dawid1>Hi. I just instaled Chromium, and I made a html5test (on html5test.com) and it shows that I have 291 points. And I need muh more. I also notice, that facebook doesnt work like it should ( it does load the main page, after I log in)I am on Debian amd 64, I got chromium from repo. Does anyone know how to make chromium to wrok better with html5?
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17:06<AlexCT28>y
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17:10<dawid1>And on Chrome, which i also instaled I had 422 points in the test. But I prefer to not use it. I dont like to be tracking by any corporation. question is how can I get this same resoult on chromium, what I have on Google Chrome?
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17:29<MrFrood>what is the state of the wheezy install disks at the moment, are they usable?
17:30<daemonkeeper>Quite so.
17:30<daemonkeeper>But why?
17:30<sam__>who takes the pandorica take the universe Doctor who
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17:31<MrFrood>can't do a net install as network card too nee for squeeze kernel, so either install wheezy of use cd1 and then manually install a kernel from backports
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17:32<MrFrood>of/or
17:33<daemonkeeper>Don't you feel bad, writing such a rationale?
17:33*MrFrood giggles
17:33<MrFrood>no
17:33<daemonkeeper>But oh well, that sounds like a good reason.
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17:44<grammoboy>peterS, just run 'dd bs=1M count=50 < /dev/zero > /dev/sdb
17:44<grammoboy>?
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17:45<peterS>well, that's one way to blow away a disk's partition table and its ability to boot anything. Overwrite the first 50 MB with zeroes. To be honest you shouldn't need to overwrite nearly that much, really.
17:46<grammoboy>you mean a lower value is also possible?
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17:47<peterS>even if you just overwrite 1024 bytes, that'd most likely be enough to make the disk not only unbootable but with no partition table
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17:47<peterS>but the time difference between writing 1 kB and writing 50 MB is a lot shorter than the amount of time it takes to ask this question on IRC (:
17:49<Patagonicus>The master boot record is only 512 bytes long. That includes the bootloader, the partition table and some signatures. I don't know about logical/extended partitions, though (or whatever they are called).
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17:50<peterS>Patagonicus: there's also the question of how big an EFI / GPT is. and I'm not sure about those. You're right that the legacy PC BIOS partition table (excluding extended/logical drives) is only 512B.
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17:51<Patagonicus>Oh, GPT. Yeah, those are nasty, as theres a backup of the GPT table at the end of the disk.
17:52<peterS>Patagonicus: huh, there is? I wonder how that works out, given we routinely, in my day job, expand the disk available to a VM, without repartitioning, just reboot the system and lo and behold there's a 16 TB disk instead of an 8 TB disk
17:52<peterS>(you can then expand partitions or create new ones, in the VM)
17:54<Patagonicus>I think the position can be choosen freely by the partitioning tool, the end of the disk is just a common place. Or maybe it updates the backup when you change the table after resizing.
17:54<peterS>could be. whatever the system, it works very smoothly - just 'truncate -s 60T' on the host side and reboot the guest and voila
17:54<peterS>errr 16T, we don't actually give anyone 60T
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18:15<sakax>hello - how do i install setup.bin ? i have to change permissions to allow command ./setup.bin
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18:16<abrotman>setup.bin eh ?
18:16<Nemoder>chmod +x setup.bin
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18:16<abrotman>sakax: what are you installing?
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18:16<sakax>spss (statistical program)
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18:19<sakax>found it
18:20<sakax>i had to change permissions: chmod 755 setup.bin
18:20<sakax>afterwards ./setup.bin worked
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18:21<abrotman>you were told that already ...
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18:22<sakax>i found it by googling
18:22<grammoboy>peterS, can't I copy the content of the 500gb system to the 1 tb raid system via wlan?
18:22<sakax>never had to install such installer before
18:23<dondelelcaro>grammoboy: yes, but it'll be horribly slow
18:23<dondelelcaro>you probably actually want to learn R instead of spss... but whatever works.
18:23<grammoboy>or pspp
18:24<Patagonicus>grammoboy: That'll take at least 5 days.
18:24<grammoboy>ai
18:24<grammoboy>hm I'm stuck
18:24<sakax>its for preparing my exam - univeristy provides us with legal linux spss installers
18:24<sakax>:D
18:24<grammoboy>the 500gb doesn't boot in the new qnap server
18:24<grammoboy>I should have checked that earlier
18:24<grammoboy>heh
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18:25<dondelelcaro>sakax: I'd still suggest learning R, but whatever works.
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18:29<grammoboy>Patagonicus, and a crossover cable, is that as slow as wlan?
18:30<Patagonicus>No, that should be faster. For Fast Ethernet it would be 11MB/s, for Gigabit probably as fast as the drives can work.
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18:31<grammoboy>and if I connect both qnap servers to the router, and copy it via cable?
18:32<grammoboy>e.g. not via a crossover cable
18:32<Patagonicus>Probably the same, a router shouldn't matter much.
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18:32<grammoboy>that will take days or hours?
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18:34<grammoboy>peterS, should that work, moving the system via ethernet?
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18:35<Patagonicus>grammoboy: ~12h for Fast Ethernet, less for Gigabit. But if your system doesn't boot from the 500gb-disk, you'll have to do some tinkering anyway. I don't know enough about Debian, though, I'm mostly a Gentoo user.
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18:37<grammoboy>right, I don't know if it's possible. The sketched situation was having the 500gb drive booted and then copy it from there to a other drive.
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18:39<Patagonicus>Yeah, my approach would have been: old disk, one new disk, boot from live usb. Create degraded raid, copy stuff (change partition sizes etc.), adjust kernel/initramfs, reboot with old drive swapped for second drive, rebuilt.
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18:44<grammoboy>the question is, is that still possible
18:44<grammoboy>I'm not sure if my ARM qnap nas, can boot from live-usb
18:44<grammoboy>or how to do that
18:45<grammoboy>then I might be able to copy the old disk to the new disk, but how do I make that bootable
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18:49<grammoboy>it might be possible to copy folders of the old system to the new one, but leave the boot stuff of the new one intact
18:49<grammoboy>but I don't know enough about Debian to see if this is possible
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18:55<grammoboy>so far so bad
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18:56<Darkenvy>hey guys
18:56<grammoboy>there are ways of backing root by only backing up some folder right? Like /etc /var etc.
18:56<Darkenvy>oh wait wrong channel
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18:57<grammoboy>isn't that a possibility?
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20:16<jspiros_>So, apparently d-i in expert mode doesn't have the Users/Passwords step as a prerequisite for Finishing Installation
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20:17<jspiros_>I just installed Wheezy without setting a root password :p
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20:23<jspiros>ls
20:23<jspiros>w/w, obviously
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23:10<laurk>Hello
23:11<laurk>Someone help with Lilo?
23:11<thinkerweb>my system crashed tonight and last night, is there a log I can read? Basically it froze and I had to power cycle
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23:15<laurk>Are you looking for /var/log/syslog?
23:15<laurk>Is there anyone awake?
23:16<thinkerweb>how do you do tail dmesg again?A
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23:16<spaceridr>hi guys
23:16<spaceridr>need some help
23:16<thinkerweb>laurk, sound good, thx
23:16<laurk>YW
23:17<spaceridr>Can someone help me out
23:17<spaceridr>plz
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23:17<spaceridr>it involves debian so i thought i will post this here cuz no one is helping
23:17<spaceridr>http://pastebin.com/rgGtWd9q
23:17<spaceridr>^ does anyone know
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23:18<thinkerweb>spacepluk, supposed to just ask a question and then wait and hope for the best
23:18<laurk>Oh really?
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23:20<laurk>I'm running Vista and Debian on separate drives and cant make lilo to recognize Vista
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23:21<thinkerweb>lilo, wierd, I thought we were using grub
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23:21<laurk>I know. I like lilo better
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23:21<thinkerweb>As far as I can remember, the config file for lilo is pretty simple, but once you edit it, you must run a program to make it active/or apply the configs
23:21<thinkerweb>There must a be a how to
23:22<laurk>Yeah I did that
23:22<thinkerweb>I know with grub you do grubupdate
23:22<thinkerweb>laurk, hmm, so you know eh, I
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23:22<laurk>lilo doesn't like what I wrote in the lilo.conf apparently
23:23<thinkerweb>laurk, I'd guess if you tried again you'll get it, cause you probably just made a typo or missed a simple step. Did you find a decent howto?
23:23<laurk>Gives me FATAL errors
23:23<laurk>Yeah
23:23<laurk>Studied it very closely too
23:23<thinkerweb>sounds like you made a bad config file, do you know how to manage you hard disk, are mapping correctly?
23:24<laurk>Well. lilo didn't recognize the first drive during installation
23:24<thinkerweb>I'm not to familiar at the moment, but you gotta map it like, Vista-> /dev/sda1 and Debian -> /dev/sda1 or something like that
23:24<laurk>Grub only recognized the first drive but i didnt want MBR on it
23:24<laurk>Yeah I did that
23:25<thinkerweb>well, maybe someone else around here will help you soon, I am not too familiar, but if you provide more details and maybe post you config on pastebin, some of the more brighter ppl around here will respond
23:25<laurk>other=/dev/hda1
23:25<laurk> label=Vista
23:25<laurk> table=/dev/hda
23:25<thinkerweb>But if yoiu just say I need help, you won't spark much interest
23:26<laurk>lol
23:26<laurk>I guess not
23:26<laurk>Thanks for your help
23:26<laurk>:-)
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23:27<thinkerweb>I always use grub and install on mbr, I mean why bother, and who cares about mbr, if you wanna get rid of linux in future and revert back to just windows, you can just boot you windows cd and go to restore option and enter the command: fixmbr and it will be like linux was never there
23:28<thinkerweb>you're not going to ruin anything by editing mbr, its just a filespace for read/write like any other
23:30<thinkerweb>I have debian installed on my whole drive, and then windows xp on a virtual host, this way I don't have to reboot to go into windows, I can just use windows inside debian, but I never use windows for anything. I mean these days, all I use are Chrome to watch videos online
23:30<laurk>I do this because I have experience with Vista "fixing" MBR w/o my permission during updates
23:31<laurk>So I learned not to install it in Vista partition
23:31<laurk>It will work for now but later I'll be fixing MBR over and over
23:32<thinkerweb>mbr is on the disk, vista can use it or debian can use, there is no disadvantage to getting rid of windows booter and using linux's
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23:33<laurk>Well that's what I'm trying to do
23:33<thinkerweb>there is a way to point windows booter to grub/lilo but why run two booters, since grub/lilo can boot both, just use them and get rid of windows booter altogether, and anyways, windows booter is easy to restore anyways, so there is no worries if you decide to stop using linux
23:33<laurk>I want the Linux drive to have the control
23:34<thinkerweb>if you aren't installing lilo on mbr then you have to find a way for you windows booter to load up lilo off the harddisk, should be easy, thats the step you are missing then
23:36<laurk>Lilo didn't recognize hda
23:36<laurk>During install
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23:36<laurk>Now when I change lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo I get
23:36<laurk>Fatal: stat /dev/hda1: No such file or directory
23:37<thinkerweb>hda, maybe it should be sda1 instead
23:37<thinkerweb>try ls /dev and see if there is even an hda there, I doubt it
23:37<laurk>Well it does say that in the lilo.conf
23:38<laurk> other=/dev/hda1
23:38<laurk> label=Vista
23:38<laurk> table=/dev/hda
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23:39<laurk>I ran disk utility and it's the correct name
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23:40<laurk>I'm missing something and I dont know what it is
23:42<laurk>It's gotta be something real simple. Can't be this complicated to fix stuff
23:43<thinkerweb>did you try ls /dev?
23:43<laurk>Does the mount point matter? Whrere it's mounted at the time I run /sbin/lilo?
23:43<laurk>Do you think that's why?
23:44<laurk>lilo can't find it then /dev/hda1 isn't enough to point the right direction.
23:44<laurk>Right?
23:44<thinkerweb>do you see any hda's in /deb directory?
23:44<laurk>Hold on
23:44<laurk>Of course not
23:44<thinkerweb>sorry the /dev directory
23:46<laurk>Thanks. BRB
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23:53<laurk>That didnt work
23:53<laurk>I found the mount point and used it instead
23:53<laurk>It rejected by saying it's not a block device or a file
23:55<thinkerweb>when you do "ls /dev" what do you see. I doubt you will see a hda, but probably sda instead
23:55<thinkerweb>how old is you computer?
23:56<thinkerweb>nowadays they use sata, not ide
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23:58<laurk>You're right. sda
23:58<laurk>Let me try it again
23:59<laurk>Thanks!
23:59<laurk>I think it worked
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