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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-10-05

---Logopened Fri Oct 05 00:00:03 2012
---Daychanged Fri Oct 05 2012
00:00<laurk>See if reboot works. BBL
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00:02<laurk>Hey it worked
00:02<laurk>Thanks a lot!
00:03<laurk>I see the ugly lilo boot screen now :-)
00:03<laurk>Have a great day
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00:35-!-rodgersayshi is "Ryan Burke" on #debian #
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00:59<teb>sup! :)
01:01<teb>no sh*t everyone's asleep
01:01<Hydroxide>teb: or people are doing other things
01:01<Hydroxide>teb: also:
01:02<Hydroxide>!ask
01:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
01:02<Hydroxide>teb: this isn't a social channel, it's focused on Debian support
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01:03<Hydroxide>teb: I'm actually going to sleep now, but it's a global channel and people are in many different time zones. if you are seeking help with Debian's stable release, ask your question and be patient. someone will try to help. if you just want to listen, that's fine too
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01:03*Hydroxide vanishes for the evening &
01:04<teb>I just found un-common the fact that there's like 200 people here and no one was saying a word .. doesn't happen often here
01:05<jm_>a word
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01:14<teb>jm_, lol
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01:15<jm_>:)
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01:42<HelloWorld>hello, im trying to configure xorg to use my intel driver. i dont know where to begin. it seems to use some automatic probe thing, which works pretty good and i'ld like to keep it, i'ld just prefer if it would choose my intel driver...
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01:46<jm_>how impatient
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02:02<andersson>hi
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02:03<andersson>anybody,if ,i can use BCM4312 in wheezy with wl dirver
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02:05<nmschulte>andersson: you can. you sohuldn't.
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02:07<andersson>why,i can`t ask at here?
02:07<Calinou>he's just saying you should just use ethernet in another way, i guess
02:07<Calinou>or because the driver is non-free
02:08<andersson>tthank you very much
02:08<andersson>i see
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02:10<jm_>!bcm4312
02:10<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> since Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
02:10<jm_>try that (there's a wiki page for "wl" too IIRC)
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02:11<nmschulte>andersson: I say that because the linux-wireless driver is just as suitable, and it's not proprietary
02:12<Calinou>what if they are slower?
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02:13<yankeesprt>hello
02:15<andersson>yes,i install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer sueecssful,but can`t find mod in system.so i want if this driver can`t suppert wheezy?
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02:20<jm_>b43 is in the kernel image for wheezy
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02:24<andersson>i just need install firmware,right?
02:25<jm_>follow the instructions from the wiki page
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03:58<_spOOn_>anyone able to tell me what happened to nspluginwrapper in wheezy?
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04:00<babilen>_spOOn_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nspluginwrapper.html + http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nspluginwrapper/news/20120828T155803Z.html (obsolete, dead upstream, clusterfuck)
04:01<_spOOn_>great.... thanks babilen
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05:49<AtomicSpark>_spOOn_: Doesn't matter. Flash is dead on Linux. You'll be stuck with Pepper in Chrome. Perhaps you can suck up to Google to release it as a plugin for other browsers. ;)
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05:49<toni_>anyone expert in makefile apt-get source etc etc ??
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05:56<jm_>!tell toni_ -about ask
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06:07<toni_>I downloaded source packages of bsdgames
06:07<toni_>with apt-get source bsdgames
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06:07<toni_>I would like to be able to compile only worm.c
06:08<toni_>can you help me?
06:08<toni_>I mean something like gcc ...... .... ... worm.c
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06:13<jm_>it uses configure doesn't it?
06:23<toni_>I'm not expert with makefiles etc
06:23<toni_>I'd be able to compile it alone
06:23<jm_>in the simplest cases just 'make worm' will do the job, whether it works here I don't know
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06:36<flaviotadashi>TESTE
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06:37<toni_>I removed some lines and then I can compile with gcc
06:38<toni_>I don't understand, however, which is the correct way to go..
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06:39<toni_>make worm in worm directory gives error
06:39<toni_>make worm in the main directory doesn't work
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06:43<vimes>Quick question, have googled but having a sort of mental block. I need to write a crunchbang iso to a CD-rom, what program should I use? I used to use the Ubuntu startup disk thing and then moved to unetbootin but haven't need to burn a CD-rom since then (the dinosaur I'm trying to install onto doesn't appear to boot from usb)
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06:43<jm_>wodim
06:43<jm_>or any other front-ends
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06:47<vimes>yeah thats what I'm looking at now
06:47<vimes>but looks like I have to work out what the output is telling me to do after all
06:48<jm_>back then it used to be simple wodim -data file.iso
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06:51<vimes>well it hasn't yelled at me yet so I might hear the cd-rom being written soon
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06:53<vimes>...removed the tao flag now
06:53<vimes>illegal write mode for drive, tao not supported
06:54<vimes>...I'll just add the ubuntu repositories and get the startup disk creator
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06:54<ribe>good morning, how can I remove "piwigo" from my Stable install?
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06:55<vimes>I don't know, sorry
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07:24<grammoboy>what is the best way to create a file server?
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07:24<grammoboy>sshfs?
07:26<sep>grammoboy, "best" depends on your point of view. ie if you want windows clients perhaps samba... if you want file access across the internet from linux clients sshfs, if you want local file accesss on a lan for linux clients perhaps NFS. and that's before considering things like distributed file systems :)
07:27<planetmaker>"best" depends on your point of view <--- sooo true! Here and everywhere else
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07:27<grammoboy>sep, I'm thinking about local, making it accessible for laptop (linux) and n900 and probably android
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07:29<grammoboy>then that would be NFS? Why is that better locally then sshfs?
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07:29<grammoboy>sshfs is more Internet safe I guess
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07:29<sep>grammoboy, less cpu overhead since no encryption, lower latency
07:30<grammoboy>sep, ok, that difference is pretty significant?
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07:32<sep>grammoboy, also i'd assume more os's have a nfs implementation then a sshfs implementation
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07:34<grammoboy>sep, is nfs hard to setup? I did a sshfs once and that was good to do
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07:36<TCW>grammoboy, that depends. But either way "hard" issn't the right word, it tends to get a bit complex if you choose the full-blown-and-modern NFSv4 incarnation. Basic NFSv3 on the other hand is set up in a matter of minutes.
07:36<grammoboy>ok, thx
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07:37<grammoboy>and a way to stream multimedia from a server to laptop and tablet?
07:37<TCW>grammoboy, what kind of operating systems do you wish to connect?
07:37<grammoboy>TCW, debian ubuntu maemo android
07:37<TCW>grammoboy, depending on what you have in mind, even http can do that.
07:38<grammoboy>TCW, a music player on the devices who can play the audio / video would be nice
07:38<TCW>or even with a ftp-link :)
07:38<grammoboy>hm
07:39<TCW>grammoboy, I giess you couldn't be less specific! :) "A" music player... what kind of music player?
07:39<TCW>s/gless/guess/
07:40<grammoboy>TCW, isn't it possible to make that work for more multimedia players?
07:40<TCW>grammoboy, are you talking about external devices like iPod and family or just software players?
07:40<grammoboy>TCW, software
07:41<TCW>grammoboy, then it comes back to "what operating systems do you wish to connect to each other"
07:41<grammoboy>TCW, linux :)
07:42<TCW>grammoboy, no windows or mac involved?
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07:42<grammoboy>TCW, no, maybe android, but some call that linux too
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07:42<TCW>same as MacOS X is a BSD :)
07:43<TCW>grammoboy, anyway, what kind of authentification do you need?
07:43<grammoboy>TCW, ssh with key, without passwd I think
07:44<grammoboy>TCW, that's what I should use for a file server, but not sure how that works with media streaming
07:44<TCW>grammoboy, forget ssh and specifics for the moment
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07:45<TCW>do the users that use the files on the remote server NEED to log in? Username / password? Would user + password-less login be enough?
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07:46<TCW>About what kind of setup are we talking btw.? I guess home-area, not enterprise stuff? :)
07:46<grammoboy>home-area :)
07:46<grammoboy>no strict security rules
07:46<grammoboy>I'll keep the server local
07:47<TCW>then I'd probably go the simple NFSv3 approach.
07:47<TCW>it has some kinks one needs to consider, but most simple and easy to setup.
07:47<TCW>and very straight-forward.
07:48<TCW>and if done, for *any* application it should not matter anymore if you play files / start applications either local or from a remote ressource.
07:49<grammoboy>ok, there is no upnp involved?
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07:49<grammoboy>that's a term I bumped on a lot when searching for this topic
07:49<grammoboy>like here for instance http://mediatomb.cc/
07:50<Patagonicus>I don't think Android supports NFS in an easy to use way, but I may be mistaken. For UPNP A/V streaming I've used mediatomb before, I haven't really tested others. (Well, except for one device which I have given up on doing streaming with).
07:50<TCW>one "kink" about NFSv3 which one must understand: NFSv3 does NOT use username/password to auth. Auth is done machine-based. That means you say what computer is allowed to do what. Like readonly und so on. Apart from that normal unix permissions do apply. If the uid 1000 has rw-access to the file on the server, the user that connects to that nfs-share from another box and that has uid 1000, has the *same* permissions
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07:53<TCW>that means if on one box user Bob has uid 1000 and on one other box Alice has this uid, both are basically the same person for the nfs-server, just the machine does differ (and could be diferentiated in the server config.)
07:53<TCW>grammoboy, don't confuse streaming and simple file access
07:54<grammoboy>TCW, what is meant by media streaming exactly?
07:54<grammoboy>TCW, that's more radio like or something
07:54<grammoboy>?
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07:55<TCW>e.g. on many audio / video plattforms on the web, you can *stream* content, that means watch and listen to that media without downloading it. Think youtube or so.
07:56<ectospasm>...it means you play or display the content as you get it, you don't need the entire file in order to view it
07:56<TCW>grammoboy, right, like radio... sort of
07:56<ectospasm>I use radio streaming as a sort of network monitor... if the stream stops, I know something is up.
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07:57<ectospasm>...or down, as it were
07:57<TCW>grammoboy, yo understand the difference between watching a clip online (e.g. in youtube) and with a clip that is on your computer stored and watched with totem, xine, mplayer or whatever?
07:58<grammoboy>TCW, I think so :)
07:58<TCW>grammoboy, you think? :)
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07:58<grammoboy>TCW, good example
07:59<grammoboy>TCW, so with NFS the server folder acts like it's on my local computer
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08:00<grammoboy>TCW, but still has to be accessed via Internet
08:01<TCW>via internet?
08:01<grammoboy>TCW, wlan0
08:01<TCW>you mean network I guess?
08:01<grammoboy>right
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08:02<grammoboy>then the question is what does perform better, access NFS via network or streaming via network
08:02<TCW>"internet" is the whole and mostly public "thing" we all use. Network is the common word if you are just talking about an unspecified number of connected computers. Be it at home, in a company, in a community or even the internet, as the biggest "network" :)
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08:03<TCW>grammoboy, how do you meassure performance there?
08:03<TCW>I guess you always play music and videos at 1.0 rate? :)
08:03<grammoboy>TCW, watching a movie without glitches
08:03<TCW>grammoboy, should not make any difference.
08:04<TCW>IF the network bandwith is stable and big enough
08:04<grammoboy>TCW, hm ok, and is there a difference here between sshfs and NFS?
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08:05<TCW>grammoboy, as sshs needs to encrypt and decrypt traffic, it tends to add some CPU load on both boxes (client and server) plus a little bit of time-delay. But as long as you only want to listen to mp3 files, it REALLY does not matter
08:06<AquaL1te>why is `apt-get changelog ${packagename}` not called by apt-cache, since that is the apt command to extract information and apt-get is to change/remove/install packages
08:06<TCW>at least today, if you do sshfs on a 486sx25, you could get problems :)
08:06<grammoboy>TCW, ok and with larger files, let's say wav or avi?
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08:08<TCW>grammoboy, basically the bandwith available has the most impact. For example, streaming a 1080p HD blueray rip /to make it as bad as possible, uncompressed and raw content *g*) over a 8011.b WLAN link you will not be happy with either NFS or SSHFS ;)
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08:09<TCW>802.11 even
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08:09<grammoboy>ok
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08:10<grammoboy>it's more clear to me now, thx
08:11<grammoboy>so local file server -> NFS
08:11<TCW>but with a 100mbit ethernet I guess all normal files should be no issue. But if you use a network share for storing uncompressed raw video files for video-editing, the link should have as much bandwoth as possible. Speaking of 10GB ethernet here.
08:11<grammoboy>Internet file server -> sshfs
08:12<grammoboy>local streaming > upnp
08:12<TCW>grammoboy, for internet I'd tend to suggest VPN and all you want / need inside that VPN.
08:12<TCW>and upnp is another thing
08:13<TCW>basically it is "Hey music player, here I have content you can play!"
08:13<grammoboy>ok, VPN is the next step for me then after everything works smooth locally :)
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08:14<TCW>grammoboy, what do you plan there?
08:14<TCW>brb
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08:14<grammoboy>nothing yet atm
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08:15<grammoboy>but you could think of accessing files from other places then your own house
08:16<TCW>grammoboy, like when you are at friends?
08:17<grammoboy>TCW, yep or study
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08:18<TCW>grammoboy, that may depend on the files you want to access / stream AND the bandwith your internet connection has. Streaming random modern music/video-content over an ISDN link is no fun ;)
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08:19<TCW>and there we have it again, mostly the bandwith is the problem, not the kind of protocol you use
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08:19<grammoboy>ok
08:21<TCW>but SMB over a 2mbit internet connection via a VPN works at least for most office text and spreadsheet stuff :)
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08:22<grammoboy>I see
08:23<grammoboy>when starting working with server stuff I realize the power of debian/linux
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08:25<TCW>grammoboy, true, a free and open operating system like GNU/Linux and you can build whatever network-dream you may have :)
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08:29<TCW>grammoboy, but most stuff is not limited to GNU/Linux... even Microsoft does understand today what network means ;)
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08:30<TCW>but the nature of proprietary operating systems is just "limiting users and use-cases"
08:30<TCW>or in general proprietary systems
08:30<grammoboy>and suck information from users
08:30<TCW>some say they do and some may do.
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08:31<TCW>but it is not a nature of proprietary systems ;)
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09:00<linixmpb>irc is big in here shocked
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09:05<planetmaker>it sure is
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09:11<XReaper>but they haven't seen #archlinux on freenode o.O
09:12<XReaper>well, #debian there has a low 1180 clients :P
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09:26<bratbob>hi.
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09:27<bratbob>i read many documents about building modules for working kernel.
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09:27<bratbob>but i still don't 'grok' how to compile module from debian kernel package?
09:28<bratbob>i wan't to build module imbvfc which isn't build by default in debian linux-image.
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09:29<bratbob>i've got linux-headers-*, i've done apt-get source linux-image-..
09:29<bratbob>and what now?
09:29<bratbob>is there someone who show me the right way?
09:30<bratbob>*who will..
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09:30<kmz>bratbob: seems you're looking for module-assistant
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09:32<bratbob>no. in m-a there are modules not from kernel tree
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09:32<bratbob>i need to compile module which is in the kernel tree, but wich isn't build.
09:33<bratbob>*which
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09:33<babilen>bratbob: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official -- but I've never heard of imbvfc what is it?
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09:33<bratbob>my mistake ibmvfc
09:34<bratbob>it is for power(67) npiv
09:34<kmz>well this is definitely the wrong way but I'd simply download the kernel source, make oldconfig, enable the necessary module and make modules
09:34<bratbob>virtual fibre channel.
09:34<bratbob>kmz: this way i know..
09:34<bratbob>i would like to build only one module and with right vermagic.
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10:17<dutchfish>anyone got also inside whezzy/x86_64 mismatches on bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages ? (multiarch active)
10:17<dutchfish>s/whezzy/wheezy
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10:18<dutchfish>after aptitude update
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10:23<dutchfish>this happened since monday a few times
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10:24<dutchfish>after repeatedly doing aptitude clean && aptitude update, it stops, maybe after doing that 5 or 6 times
10:24<dutchfish>i am not sure if that is related
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10:25<dutchfish>hardware has been checked multiple times
10:26<dutchfish>no failures on that
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10:27<themill>dutchfish: have you hit your (apt) proxy to make sure it's not serving you stale content?
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10:28<dutchfish>themill, yes, i have tested that with or without proxy, no stale contents, i see the bytes coming in when i monitor my proxy or network uplink.
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10:28<themill>!which http.debian.net
10:28<dpkg>To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <http.debian.net> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location». You can also look for the Release file or individual .debs if you want.
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10:28<themill>dutchfish: can adapt that ^^ to work out which mirror you're actually talking to?
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10:29<themill>(just unstable->wheezy and amd64->i386)
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10:30<dutchfish>themill, Location: http://ftp.debian.nl/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 [following]
10:30<dutchfish>themill, as usual
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10:32<dutchfish>themill, also tried a 'direct' link to the us servers, same outcome.
10:32<dutchfish>themill, after maybe 15 minutes, it suddenly thinks its ok again
10:32<dutchfish>themill, with several tries
10:33<dutchfish>themill, i suspect something is wrong with the unpacking or ammending.
10:33<themill>Have you tried grabbing the bz2 file directly and checking its md5sum against the Release file?
10:33<dutchfish>themill, not yet, a sec
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10:34<dutchfish>themill, current: 9a387bd928e0473a46b7b4333d3ec7cb Packages.bz2
10:34<dutchfish>(md5sum)
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10:35<themill>that doesn't match what is in the Release file
10:35<dutchfish>themill, bingo, i just came to the same conclusion
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10:36<dutchfish>themill, transient?
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10:38<themill>oh hang on -- you gave me an "unstable" URL there. That md5 is fine
10:39<dutchfish>oops
10:39<dutchfish>i rince and repeat, a sec
10:40<dutchfish>themill, 3674b8260b8c8176c65e8d75d288785d Packages.bz2
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10:42<dutchfish>themill, in release file testing: 3674b8260b8c8176c65e8d75d288785d 5920593 main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2
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10:42<dutchfish>themill, so, that matches
10:43<ali>hi
10:43<ali>i'am new in there
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10:45<ali>Oops, see you soon.
10:45<colibri>hello !
10:45<ali>:)
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10:48<dutchfish>themill, my log http://paste.debian.net/196586/ (nothing about it in it)
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10:56<dutchfish>themill, nm, i log my screen next time and get something more verbose, then we discuss it again. ok? thanks so far for trying.
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10:58<dutchfish>themill, calculating the package hashes reveals nothing either.
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11:11<marcos>hola
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11:26<luce>salve a tutto il canale
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11:27<roughnecks>!it
11:27<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:34<luce>smg nomebot xdcc list
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11:36<luce>msg nomebot xdcc list
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11:38<daemonkeeper><nomebot> is placeholder for the actual name of the bot, my dear friend.
11:38<daemonkeeper>And commands are prefixed with /.
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11:38<daemonkeeper>Now, enough off-topic and try another network to pirate stuff.
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11:56<spaceshiprdr>Hi guys, Can someone explain to me whats the different between crunch bang and debian? :)
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12:21<Disco>http://i.imgur.com/2NTrq.png
12:21<Disco>http://i.imgur.com/sLROS.png
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12:21<Disco>I'm using the caledonia plasma theme
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12:22<Disco>and right after I updated to the latest version I started having problems like that
12:22<Disco>would this be a theme bug?
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12:36<knobo>If I already installed a server, can I add it to a fai setup, and maintain it from there?
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12:38<retrospectacus>knobo: presumably. Ask in #fai
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12:51<maitai>i'll just go ahead an ask my question here: installed wheezy (amd64, gnome3, zsh) and set locale to de_DE.UTF-8. I was expecting 'locale charmap' to be 'UTF-8' but its showing 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'. -> No way to type special chars in console. How can i change the charmap to UTF-8?
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12:56<EmleyMoor>What are the pros and cons of PGP inline versus PGP/MIME?
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12:58<olspookishmagus>can something silimar to: $ aptitude search '?name(i386)' be achieved through dpkg?
13:01<EmleyMoor>olspookishmagus: What exactly are you trying to do?
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13:03<olspookishmagus>EmleyMoor: find which packages I have from a "foreign" architecture
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13:03<EmleyMoor>Hmmm...
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13:09<AlexLikeRock>if my INTERNET are of the 3 MB
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13:09<AlexLikeRock>how mouch its to upload ?
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13:10<Cuber>hi
13:10<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: why would we know that? Ask your ISP. and it depends where you are uploading to.
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13:11<AlexLikeRock>hahaha
13:11<Cuber>Hi
13:11<retrospectacus>hi Cuber
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13:11<AlexLikeRock> grosero !
13:11<Cuber>hi
13:11<Cuber>my pi is cooking!
13:11<AlexLikeRock>ok, tanks retrospectacus
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13:13<Cuber>So I have ran the download for this xchat
13:13<Cuber>but what is it?
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13:14<musca>olspookishmagus: something like: dpkg -l | awk '/i386/ {print $2}'
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13:38<olspookishmagus>musca: thanks - I should really start looking a way lot more into manpages before asking ;D
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13:51<ml|>how can one get a list of build dependencies?
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13:54<peterS>ml|: 'apt-cache showsrc' is one way
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13:54<maitai>Can't type special chars in terminal: I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy with a fresh install but kept my '/home'-partition. My migrated user as well as newly created users have 'de_DE.UTF-8' as their current locale (as expected). But: While new users have the charmap correctly set to 'UTF-8' the old user seems to use the charmap 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'. Any suggestions on how to fix this?
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13:56<ml|>peterS: Thanks, search engines where no help
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13:57<peterS>ml|: oh and if you're talking about a debian source package you already have unpacked locally, you can just read the debian/control file - Build-Depends is in the first stanza, near the top
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13:58<ml|>peterS: ok, good to know; Thanks
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14:01<ml|>maitai: perhaps ask in #debian-next
14:01<maitai>ml|: i'll do that. thx!
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14:47<ayaka>http://pastie.org/4916251 I want this file in /etc/cron.d/ working once five minutes, but it doesn't work at all
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14:49<retrospectacus>ayaka: you'll need the full path to "updataddns"
14:49<ayaka>retrospectacus, I see and thank you
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14:52<rocky>ola
14:52<retrospectacus>hello
14:52<rocky>you pick spanish?
14:53<retrospectacus>Negative. Only English is allowed here.
14:53<rocky>hello
14:53<rocky>spanish plis
14:53<retrospectacus>!es
14:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:55<rocky>hola!
14:55<rocky>hello!
14:55<retrospectacus>hello again...
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14:56<rocky>hello!
14:56<retrospectacus>rocky: tecleado /j #debian-es
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14:58<babilen> /whois rocky
14:58<rocky>ok
14:58<rocky>ok
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15:00<toni_>hello
15:00<toni_>I need this program:
15:00<toni_>grdc
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15:00<rocky>hello!
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15:00<toni_>do you know how to get it and how to install it in debian?
15:00<rocky>no
15:00<toni_>it
15:00<rocky>no
15:00<babilen>!es-social rocky
15:00<dpkg>rocky: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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15:01<rocky>gracias
15:01<toni_>it's in freebsd, I tried to compile .c file in debian but I got a lot of errors
15:01<retrospectacus>toni_: apt-get install grdc
15:01<babilen>,i grdc
15:01<judd>Package grdc (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: transitional dummy package for remmina. Version: 0.8.3-1; Size: 6.4k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: http://remmina.sourceforge.net/
15:01<babilen>,file bin/grdc
15:02<judd>No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file.
15:02<rocky>ola
15:02<retrospectacus>get it together rocky
15:02<rocky>yes
15:02<rocky>?
15:02<toni_>no, in my debian grdc seems to refer to remmina
15:02<rocky>jajajjajajajjajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja
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15:02<rocky>ja
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15:03<toni_>I want grdc, a clock for terminal
15:03<babilen>toni_: Do you have more information about it?
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15:04<toni_>if you try freebsd, you run grdc command, a clock will appear
15:04<toni_>it's in the base system
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15:05<toni_>in /usr/games
15:05<sensual>hola todos
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15:05<nubesita>holaa
15:05<nubesita>:D
15:05<babilen>toni_: Ok, so apparently it is not in Debian and it's code seems to be BSD specific. I am not sure how we can help you futher.
15:05<babilen>!es-social nubesita, sensual
15:05<dpkg>nubesita, sensual: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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15:06<MrFrood>toni_: is it fullscreen or just a line?
15:06<toni_>full screen
15:06<toni_>it uses ncurses
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15:06<toni_>here is a sort of code: http://src.gnu-darwin.org/src/games/grdc/grdc.c.html
15:06<MrFrood>digital or analog
15:06<toni_>(it seems it's not freebsd code)
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15:06<toni_>digital
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15:07<babilen>toni_: So: Try to compile it?
15:07<sensual>como están?
15:07<MrFrood>toni_: if you don't mind compiling there are progs that do the same in linux
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15:08<toni_>I tried to compile, but there were a lot of errors
15:08<MrFrood>toni_: bare with me a min whhile I check the name of the clock prog...
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15:08<ManuelCalavera>Hello everyone. I was trying to install Bumblebee for my Nvidia card but i keep getting the same errors, all involving the packages libgl1-nvidia-glx, xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and nvidia-glx. I think the problem is in this : ERROR: The conflicting library '/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' is known to dpkg. / diversion by glx-diversions from: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 / diversion by glx-diversions to: /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/libGL.so.1.2 Any advi
15:08<ManuelCalavera>ce?
15:08<peterS>toni_: start by making sure you have the right -dev packages installed. Looking at the headers at the top, looks like you need libncurses5-dev
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15:09<toni_>yes ncurses is installed
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15:10<MrFrood>toni_: this page lists some console clocks for linux http://kmandla.wikispaces.com/space/content?tag=clock
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15:11<toni_>I tried to compile this one:
15:11<toni_>http://src.gnu-darwin.org/src/games/grdc/grdc.c.html
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15:12<peterS>toni_: gcc -Wall -O2 -o grdc grdc.c -lncurses
15:12<toni_>and it works!
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15:12<toni_>if you want you could make a package or put it in a package
15:12<toni_>for example in bsdgames
15:13<grammoboy>peterS, the 109 drive doesn't boot in the qnap 209. Someone suggested to copy the uuid's from the 209 install to the 109 500gb install
15:13<MrFrood>or toni_ you could package it ;)
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15:14<toni_>I have never made a packages for debian repository
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15:14<toni_>I suppose someone want to compile source directly
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15:15<grammoboy>e.g. to make the 109 drive bootable in the 209
15:16<toni_>and not get a binary packages from an unknown
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15:17<peterS>given it lives in /usr/games on bsd, adding it to the bsdgames package would seem to make sense to me
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15:18<peterS>it'll fit right in with rot13 and wump
15:18<ayaka>I run "$(git --exec-path)"/git-daemon --syslog --verb
15:18<ayaka>ose --reuseaddr --base-path=/home/git/repositories /home/git/repositories in cmd it can work, but it can't work starting by systemd
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15:19<peterS>(man I haven't hunted a wumpus in about 15 years.)
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15:19<toni_>I don't know to whom send this request
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15:20<peterS>Package: bsdgames Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
15:21<peterS>I mean your clock thing isn't really a game, but neither is rot13
15:21<toni_>do I have to write an email or it's a mailing list, so I should join in?
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15:21<peterS>just send an email
15:22<peterS>I mean, it is a list, but it's also in the maintainer field for a package, so it would be ridiculous to expect you to subscribe before posting
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15:25<toni_>I sent an email
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15:27<crd>grdc is easy to compile, `sed -i grdc.c -e 's/REALTIME_FAST/REALTIME' && cc -lncurses -lrt grdc.c -o grdc`
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15:33<grammoboy>is it possible to launch debian-installer in an existing debian (ARM) installation?
15:33<grammoboy>for reinstall?
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15:45<toni_>crd, what -lrt do?
15:46<crd>includes librt
15:46<toni_>ok
15:46<olspookishmagus>*drum fill*
15:46<crd>or links against it, rather
15:47<toni_>which #include is for librt?
15:49<crd>uh, time.h, i guess
15:51<toni_>I'm not expert, I compiled only with -lncurses
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15:51<crd>and did that work?
15:51<toni_>yes
15:51<crd>huh, without -lrt i get 3 undefined references to `clock_gettime'
15:52<crd>which is not surprising, because it's called in three places in the source...
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15:53<toni_>where do you get source code?
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15:56<crd>from the freebsd source tree
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15:58<toni_>ok
15:58<toni_>I tried this: http://src.gnu-darwin.org/src/games/grdc/grdc.c.html
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16:01<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to have a system call up NFS filesystems only if it can reach them, and not worry about them otherwise?
16:02<EmleyMoor>(would autofs achieve that reasonably?)
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16:05<Lantizia>Anyone familiar with NUT to help me out?
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16:15<Mixxit>hey i can't seem to use winetricks mfc42 on wheezy
16:15<Mixxit>any ideas?
16:16<Mixxit>failing to find the file at microsoft.com
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16:17<towo`>Mixxit, http://code.google.com/p/winetricks/issues/detail?id=251
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16:18<Mixxit>do i overwrite a file with that?
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16:26<Mixxit>thanks :-)
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16:47<partenio>#lord_empire
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17:04<dano>ciao
17:05<retrospectacus>hello!
17:05<dano>where are you? :-)
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17:05<retrospectacus>Canada. Do you have a Debian question?
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17:06<rom9com>Hello
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18:09<retrospectacus>having a problem with booting this VM, and with chroot: http://paste.debian.net/196743/ what am I missing?
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18:10<schoppenhauer>hello. i have a computer running on a very old screen. in earlier versions of debian, some other "font" was used in the standard kernel terminal, but the new font with "thinner" letters is unreadable on this old screen. is there a possibility to change it? for example, the font that is used on boot works well, how can I tell debian not to change it (its the debian installer)
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18:12<debdog>retrospectacus: /bin/bash is provided by package "bash", is it installed? (std. shell is dash)
18:12<schoppenhauer>i know there was a kernel parameter, but it would be good if this worked during runtime, too
18:13<babilen>schoppenhauer: You might want to run "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
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18:14<retrospectacus>debdog: I suppose so. Not sure how I can tell as that machine "48" won't boot nor allow me to chroot into it
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18:18<retrospectacus>if I run 48/bin/bash it works OK
18:18<schoppenhauer>babilen: thank you
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18:24<XSS>hola buenas tardes
18:24<retrospectacus>hello, good evening
18:24-!-XSS is now known as Maverick
18:25<andromedas>Hallo!
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18:26<k1ll3r>al fin
18:26<k1ll3r>xD
18:27<debdog>all izz well :)
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18:28<debdog>retrospectacus: i am sorry, not able to imagine what is wrong there :-/
18:28<themill>retrospectacus: are all the libraries that /bin/bash needs in the chroot?
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18:29<retrospectacus>I am not sure themill
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18:30<retrospectacus>before, when I ran 48/bin/bash it said 48/bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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18:30<retrospectacus>so I copied the bash from VM 148 in there (seen in the paste) and it runs OK when run directly
18:31<retrospectacus>but chroot still says chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
18:32<retrospectacus>I think the owner of vm 48 upgraded to wheezy, is the problem
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18:32<retrospectacus>judging by his bash_history
18:32<retrospectacus>and contents of sources.list
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18:33<retrospectacus>when I try to start the VM I get Unable to start init
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18:58<EmleyMoor>How can I rename a whole bunch of files to simply lose their first .?
18:58<EmleyMoor>(it's the first character)
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19:00<themill>rename(1)
19:00<babilen>EmleyMoor: Read "man rename" and play with "rename -n" (s/^.//)
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19:02<EmleyMoor>Great, found a way - thanks for the hint
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19:09<trafficcc>Hello All
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19:11<retrospectacus>hi trafficcc
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19:12<trafficcc>Guys would anyone tell me how to clear the ssh sessions? in Debian? freeze all users connected to a host via ssh and then disconnect them
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19:16<themill>stop sshd and then use slay
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19:19<trafficcc>no i'm talking in case I'm also connected remotely.
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19:19<trafficcc>If I stop ssh i will log my self out also
19:20<themill>no
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21:44<Newbumz>Hi all
21:45<Newbumz>Doing the google thing, but hoped some one might be able to assist. I just bought a USB head set. I am guessing hot swapping sound cards in alsa is not a "thing"?
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21:52<Newbumz>Hah nevermind thanks. Figured out the .asoundrc I can dirty newb script a hot swap
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22:02<Newbumz>Hrm no not so simple. Now I can only run 1 application at a time using alsa
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22:05<itzel>hola
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22:09<galaxy>Hi guys, Need some help. I recently installed debian and now i do not pick up any wireless connections by clicking the computer network tab in taskbar, On crunch bang i had same problem but upgrading kernal to 3.2.0. i already tried the upgrade kernal terminal command on debian and it never wokred
22:09<galaxy>worked*
22:09<galaxy>anyone can help?
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