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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-10-09

---Logopened Tue Oct 09 00:00:36 2012
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00:42<ext5>hey, how can i get wheezy from not searching for wifi during boot and turn kde network manager in manage mode
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01:03<ext5>scractch that i fixed it
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01:19<rjsalts>is there anything that would cache dns lookups for all mozilla, chrome and khtml based browsers but not lynx, openssl s_client and the like?
01:19<Nemoder>dnsmasq does caching
01:20<rjsalts>Nemoder: you're directing that at me?
01:20<Nemoder>sorry just re-read the last part there
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01:21<Nemoder>not sure you could do that on a per application level
01:21<Nemoder>I guess you could setup an http proxy
01:22<rjsalts>Nemoder: can if you're doing it in a library of some kind, instead of querying the stub resolver for the address each time
01:22<rjsalts>Nemoder: just trying that now
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01:22<Nemoder>squid does page caching too
01:22<Nemoder>maybe that'd work
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01:24<rjsalts>Nemoder: I'm trying to stop it caching
01:24<rjsalts>it's doing stupid stuff
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01:25<rjsalts>it's connecting to the wrong server, even though I've flushed every dns cache and other non-browser apps are working
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01:25<Nemoder>ahh
01:26<Nemoder>likely the browsers just have an internal cache
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01:28<jm_>and you're not using anything like nscd?
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01:29<rjsalts>jm_: wouldn't that have affected openssl s_client as well?
01:30<rjsalts>jm_: i.e. nscd is interfering with the stub resolver right?
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01:30<jm_>rjsalts: in general yes
01:31<rjsalts>I just fired up wireshark and it finally decided to work
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01:59<ext5>i find it that wheezy when i click to open any application it doesnt work the first time, nothing happens after waiting and thinking it will load which doesnt but when i click it again the second time it opens
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02:09<vyrus001>when trying to boot, I get to "Synthesizing the inital hotplug events...done" then total system hang, nothing works #wtf?
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03:37<yanniboi>drupal
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03:41<Calinou>dupral.
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03:51<Myon>drupal?
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04:14<grammoboy>I can install a raid 1 installation on two hdds, remove one and put an old drive in, copy that data to the new raid, rm the old disk, insert the 2nd raid disk again
04:14<grammoboy>?
04:14<kmz>once again please
04:15<grammoboy>heh
04:15<grammoboy>I
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04:16<kmz>as far as I understand your needs
04:16<Jb_boin>yes you can
04:16<grammoboy>I want to install a raid 1 installation, but I've also an old drive and I want to copy that data to the new raid 1 install
04:16<kmz>you will need to boot with only 1 of 2 array members
04:16<kmz>having your old hdd installed in the system
04:17<grammoboy>install raid on two disks
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04:17<grammoboy>rm one raid member
04:17<kmz>then, without adding this disk to the array, you copy data from it onto raid
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04:17<grammoboy>ok, so no adjustements needed
04:17<kmz>replace the hdd to a new one
04:17<kmz>re-add it to the array and wait until it syncs
04:18<grammoboy>ok you've to re-add it?
04:18<grammoboy>how?
04:18<kmz>and yeah, you'll need to remove it from array prior to any other operations
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04:19<grammoboy>you mean remove it in a 'software' way?
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04:19<kmz>assuming you're using md raid - the answer it 'yes'
04:20<grammoboy>ok
04:20<grammoboy>I will do an raid 1 install now and come back when I'm at the next step
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04:21<grammoboy>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-armel/current/images/orion5x/network-console/qnap/ts-209/flash-debian
04:21<grammoboy>that is the current debian version ? ^
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04:23<kmz>stable? 6.0.6
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04:33<hari>Hey buddies
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04:43<jost>hi
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04:51<jaakub>hi, anyone know how to fix it => http://serverfault.com/questions/435555/2xamd-opteron-6128-with-libvirt-physical-cpu-13-doesnt-exist ?
04:52<jost>?
04:52<jaakub>i dont know is this system problem or something else
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05:06<touki>Hi guys, I'm on squeezy and I have, for many packages, "Breaks" error.
05:06<touki>http://pastebin.com/CzezWhkA
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05:08<touki>Anyone have ideas ?
05:08<real>touki: please ... can you do it with LC_ALL=C ... LC_ALL=C apt-get install ...
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05:12<Vip_3li>hi
05:12<Vip_3li>hiiiiiiiiiiiiii
05:13<touki>hi
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05:16<Vip_3li>who r u?
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05:17<xubuntu>9
05:17<touki>real: http://pastebin.com/gR9CskyG
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05:18<xubuntu>a 4e?
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05:18<PaulePanter>Hi. Did something change with Apache 2 in Debian Wheezy, so that it asks now for permission to access js (JavaScript) files?
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05:19<xubuntu>who test voyager?
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05:23<real>touki: are you mixing squeezy and testing/unstable?
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05:24<arno_>hello I encounter a small issue with a system replication, anyone could help me ?
05:24<touki>real: I've read it on forums, but in my sources.list I have only testing packages
05:25<touki>maybe I've to check another place to see if i'm mixing unstable / testing ?
05:25<real>touki: so you are not on squeezy as you mentioned before but on wheezy?
05:27<ectospasm>!dpkg squeezy
05:27<dpkg>Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
05:27<real>touki: python-software-properties 0.60.debian-3 is from squeeze, but it looks like you want to install tomboy from testing (or whatever).
05:28<touki>Yeah, it looks like that. So I have to get down the testing depot ?
05:28<real>ectospasm: ah thx for correction. ;)
05:29<touki>To get back on squeeze ?
05:29<touki>(depot/repository)
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05:31<real>ectospasm: the whole "eez(e|y)" stuff is to much for my little brain. ;)
05:31<ectospasm>s/to/too/ (-;
05:32<ectospasm>and the next version is called "jessie"
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05:33<real>ah jessie ... much easier.
05:33<real>:)
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05:37<touki>real: Do I have to delete my testing repositories from the sources.list
05:37<touki>?
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05:38<ectospasm>touki: are you trying to go from wheezy to squeeze??
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05:38<ectospasm>!tell touki about wheezy->squeeze
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05:41<touki>ectospasm: I'm on squeeze, and I mixed with testing depot in my sources.list I think.
05:42<touki>!tell touki about wheezy->squeeze
05:42<ectospasm>yeah, that's generally considered a bad idea
05:42<ectospasm>!tell touki about self-tell
05:42<touki>^^
05:43<touki>ty, seems ok now
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05:55<magnetophon>!tell magnetophon about self-tell
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06:01<ectospasm>durp
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06:03<arno_> My problem is : I would like to copy bit per bit a 150Go disk to another 150 Go disk (the systems are totally identical). The system I want to copy is just using 6.7Go. So I wanted to copy it on a 16Gb USB key with dd. Anybody already did that ?
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06:04<ectospasm>arno_: should be straight forward, if and only iff you know what sectors have data, and only copy those...
06:05<ectospasm>arno_: like build a list of all inodes containing every file, figure out what sectors those are, and just copy that.
06:05<babilen>arno_: You cat also use cp or cat. Make sure you adjust bs to something sensible if you use dd (/me would recommend dcfldd over dd though (and cat/cp over dd))
06:06<babilen>arno_: I am not aware of a tool that does what you are trying to do though. How would the tool know which data to copy and which data to leave anyway?
06:07<arno_>sorry afk
06:07<arno_>im back
06:07<arno_>(reading your answers...
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06:08<jm_>if it has a supported FS then a tool like clonezilla will do the job
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06:10<arno_>yeah I understand the problem. But is since a tool like df know that I use 6.7Gb for my system, does a tool could not copy just whats needed ?
06:11<nevyn>clonezilla can do that.
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06:12<arno_>mmmm never used clonezilla, I will take a look.
06:12<babilen>nevyn: Haven't used it, but are you sure that the result of it is a bit-by-bit copy (in the sense that both devices are identical) *and* is able to use significantly less size than the data you want to copy? I guess we need to make the assumption that the "rest" of the (rubbish) data are zeros or something equally predictable
06:13<babilen>Is this actually wat arno_ wants /me wonders though ;)
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06:13<ectospasm>looks like clonezilla is not in apt...
06:14<ectospasm>...but partclone is...
06:14<ectospasm>I do not have any experience with partclone, so I can't vouch for it.
06:14<ectospasm>arno_: ^
06:14<jm_>clonezilla is just a wrapper arround another tool, my bad, let me recall the right one
06:14<babilen>clonezilla is not a tool in itself
06:15<grammoboy>huh?
06:15<grammoboy>Failed to delete the software RAID device
06:15<babilen>Looks as if partclone clones partitions (well, no surprise there given its name) so it probably can't be used to clone entire drives
06:15<grammoboy>There was an error deleting the software RAID device. It may be in use.
06:15<grammoboy>d-i
06:16<jm_>partimage is the one I had in mind
06:17<grammoboy>why can't i rm the raid device?
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06:17<ectospasm>grammoboy: probably because it's in use...
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06:18<grammoboy>ectospasm, how is that possible during installation?
06:18<ectospasm>you never said you were installing /-;
06:18<grammoboy>d-i debian-installer
06:18<arno_>do you think it could work by redemensionning my partition ?
06:18<arno_>(ext 3)
06:19<ectospasm>grammoboy: I didn't see the d-i, since it was on a line by itself...
06:19<arno_>mmm the MBR wont be copied, no ?
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06:21<grammoboy>hm what is wise to do
06:22<grammoboy>abort install?
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06:23<ectospasm>grammoboy: check alt-3,4 (or is it ctrl-alt-3 or ctrl-alt-4?)
06:23<babilen>arno_: You can copy the MBR independently with "dcfldd if=/dev/sdX of=sdX-mbr.bin bs=512 count=1" for example
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06:24<babilen>arno_: Do that and then copy partitions independently with partclone maybe?¡?
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06:25<ectospasm>partimage will grab an entire partition and compress it, probably eliminating some if not all of the empty/unused space.
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06:26<jm_>yeah it only copies the used part
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06:29<babilen>popcon indicates that partimage is slightly more popular than partclone -- no idea how they actually compare though
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06:29<jm_>I only used partimage and it worked nice, both for ext3 and ntfs
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06:30<jm_>luckily haven't had the need to test restoring images yet :)
06:30<grammoboy>ectospasm, for console? I can't get into a console
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06:31<ectospasm>ctrl-alt-3 (or F3, can't remember), or ctrl-alt-(F)4 should take you to a log screen so you can see more of the error message
06:31<ectospasm>should work wherever you are in d-i
06:31<jm_>f3 and f4
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06:34<arno_>mmm the mbr is always 512?
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06:35<grammoboy2>argh, wrong focus
06:35<grammoboy2>lost installer console
06:35<grammoboy2>can login via ssh, but then the installer starts again
06:36<grammoboy2>just start again?
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06:37<ectospasm>arno_: on standard PCs, yes
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06:37<ectospasm>grammoboy: yeah, somethinge foobared... did you check the sha1sum (or is it md5sum)... they're gone
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06:42<arno_>ectospasm : Once I made my two images (MBR + system), how do I drop it on the new system ?
06:42<arno_>still with partimage ?
06:42<grammoboy>how can I come back to the normal desktop when I accidentally hit alt ctr f4?
06:42<ectospasm>arno_: I'd imagine so... I don't use partimage, so I can't really answer that.
06:42<babilen>grammoboy: CTRL-ALT-F1
06:43<jm_>ctrl-alt-f1 and use ctrl-alt- f2 to get a shell
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06:43<grammoboy>ok
06:43<ectospasm>grammoboy: ctrl-alt-F7 or F8 to bring you to your X desktop
06:43<grammoboy>ah ok
06:43<ectospasm>...oh, this is still d-i, I dunno
06:43<babilen>(if you use the graphical installer that is)
06:43<ectospasm>I always install from the TUI d-i
06:44<grammoboy>no, this was from x desktop
06:44<grammoboy>by accident
06:44<ectospasm>which is normally on VT1
06:44<ectospasm>yeah, graphical X is on VT-7 or VT-8
06:45<arno_>@allwhohelped : partimage seems to be a good solution. I try it and come back to you if needed
06:46<ectospasm>good luck!
06:46<ectospasm>break a leg!
06:46<arno_>thx
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06:47<grammoboy>partitioner hangs a while on 57%, just wait?
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06:48<perlwizard>might check dmesg
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06:50<grammoboy>hm If i try to go into a shell, my desktop is going to the shell, not the installer which I've running in a console via ssh
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06:54<grammoboy>so I can't check dmesg
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06:54<grammoboy>and partitioner still on 57%
06:54<perlwizard>"my desktop is going to the shell"
06:54<perlwizard>please elaborate...
06:55<grammoboy>if you are working on your desktop, and hit ctr alt f2 you go to a shell
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06:56<babilen>perlwizard: AFAIUI grammoboy is connected to a (remote?) installer via SSH and is using SSH in a terminal. If grammoboy uses ctrl-alt-f4 grammoboy changes to the actual console (not the installer one, but that of the host system)
06:56<grammoboy>what he says
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07:01<grammoboy>dmesg http://fpaste.org/YGO5/
07:01<grammoboy>I logged into the installer via other console
07:02<grammoboy>can I format the two drives and then go to the partitioner
07:02<grammoboy>format using the shell
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07:06<grammoboy>?
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07:08<ectospasm>grammoboy: are you using the beta d-i?
07:08<grammoboy>ectospasm, I don't think so
07:08<ectospasm>so it's the d-i for squeeze?
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07:09<grammoboy>yep
07:09<grammoboy>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-armel/current/images/orion5x/network-console/qnap/ts-209/flash-debian
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07:12*grammoboy restarted the server and the installer
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07:15<Lantizia>gnugr, he's randomly pm'ing people and requesting dcc chats with people
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07:18<gnugr>kostis:if you want help with your Debian-system please join #debian-gr and stop bothering people in here
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07:31<grammoboy>how is this partitioning table looking guys? http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/ujbem5j0/derickdebian_065.png
07:31<grammoboy>for raid 1
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07:34<ectospasm>grammoboy: RAID1 is immaterial, and what do you need this system to do?
07:35<grammoboy>ectospasm, for backup and file server
07:35<jm_>it might not be - it might require proper alignment etc.
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07:35<ectospasm>grammoboy: are the backup files going in home? or /var?
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07:38<grammoboy>ectospasm, I was planning to do it in /home
07:38<grammoboy>ectospasm, var is done often?
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07:39<grammoboy>...
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07:44<grammoboy>looking good?
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07:49<ectospasm>grammoboy: well, it could very well be /backup
07:50<ectospasm>it's your choice... but I only consider /home to be user-related files... and that means users of the system (i.e., in /etc/passwd), and not actual users
07:50<ectospasm>it doesn't really matter where you mount it, as long as it makes sense to you.
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07:51<ectospasm>Like for instance, I've got a partial apt mirror in /var/spool/mirror, but that's actually bind mounted from somewhere in /home, since /home is the only partition that had enough space.
07:52<ectospasm>grammoboy: now I wish I had made /var a separate filesystem, and put it there.
07:52<grammoboy>I will be following this guide
07:52<ectospasm>grammoboy: what kind of backups are these going to be, anyway? Selective backups you make, or will it be automated?
07:52<grammoboy>http://derek.simkowiak.net/backing-up-multiple-servers-with-rsnapshot/
07:52<grammoboy>automated
07:52<ectospasm>yeah, I use rsnapshot for my NAS
07:53<grammoboy>probably for several users / system
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07:53<grammoboy>e.g. I want to make it able for another homemate to backup to this nas
07:53<ectospasm>it doesn't matter if you have it in /home, but unless you're giving each user access to their own subdir of /home, might want to put it somewhere else.
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07:53<grammoboy>then he should be able to read the files
07:54<ectospasm>grammoboy: well, last I checked rsnapshot is pull, not push
07:54<ectospasm>the server connects to each directory for backup (via rsync), and pulls down what you tell it.
07:54<grammoboy>right
07:55<grammoboy>so in my plan it pulls from two machines to two different locations
07:55<ectospasm>my NAS is backing up right now, I can hear it (-;
07:55<grammoboy>/home/user1_rsnapshot
07:55<grammoboy>/home/users2_rsnapshot
07:56<ectospasm>grammoboy: on my NAS it's /path/to/mount/point/<hostname>/{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly,yearly}
07:56<ectospasm>unless you tell rsnapshot to use an alternate rsnapshot.conf
07:56<ectospasm>...which is possible.
07:57<grammoboy>that will go fine
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07:57<grammoboy>atm i've to make a decision about the mount point
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07:58<ectospasm>grammoboy: it may matter depending on how your roommates access it
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07:59<grammoboy>ectospasm, via ssh, with key without passwd?
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08:00<grammoboy>I've a little experience with this stuff, but not many
08:00<grammoboy>much
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08:02<grammoboy>ok as root I can access all the files
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08:03<grammoboy>but it might not be bad if the other user can't access my files
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08:03<grammoboy>no write no read
08:03<grammoboy>but maybe i can just make a new user to the system with limited rights
08:04<grammoboy>or restrict the permissions of my user account
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08:04<grammoboy>not sure which is the best way
08:04<grammoboy>and the other user will also be able to use the NFS system for playing multimedia
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08:07<anubis>language?
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08:08<nevyn>anubis: ?
08:08<grammoboy>eng
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08:09<anubis>i have anon-debian specific problem . but mb someone can help me anyways. My gnuplot does not work. It says terminal set to unknown and does not plot. There are some threads for this topic if u search with google but none could help me by now. DOes anyone know what to do?
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08:10<grammoboy>#gnuplot ?
08:10<grammoboy>@ freenode
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08:13<themill>anubis: do you have either gnuplot-x11 or gnuplot-qt installed?
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08:14<anubis>themill: Just looked for it: no ! this could be the reason. thx
08:15<themill>for some reason not known to me, the gnuplot packages are set up to install a non-interactive package by default
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08:17<Sidicas>Hello, need advice. My bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684352 .
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08:18<Sidicas>I was told to send email to platform-drivers mailing list and I did but
08:18<M1R4G3>hello there :)
08:19<Sidicas>The email doesn't show up on mail-archives.com and I got no replies so I don't know if platform drivers saw it or not.
08:20<Sidicas>I mean doesn't show here: http://www.mail-archive.com/platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org/
08:20<Sidicas>But it does show here http://www.spinics.net/lists/platform-driver-x86/
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08:20<Sidicas>So I don't know if anybody at platform drivers got my message or not
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08:21<jm_>it's unlikely you'll find people related to that in this channel
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08:32<kenabara>fd
08:33<kenabara>je viens de decouvrir xubuntu mais c'est magnifique
08:33<themill>kenabara: #ubuntu-fr on irc.freenode.net
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08:34<kenabara>i don't understand
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08:35<EmleyMoor>Connect to irc.freenode.net and join #ubuntu-fr - we don't support anything "Ubuntu" here and we speak English on this chawnnel
08:35<themill>kenabara: you want the channel #ubuntu-fr on the irc network irc.freenode.net
08:36<kenabara>ok
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08:38<kenabara>i speak english also
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08:41<kenabara>it's my thirst time please don't be strong about me because i have questions?
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08:46<devil>kenabara: just ask
08:46<devil>kenabara: if it's ubuntu-related, see above
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08:48<kenabara>what is the finality of this chat?
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08:50<devil>kenabara: debian support
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08:51<Volley>i'm doing my first steps with pbuilder ... trying to build wine. which requires me to build 32bit and 64bit packages. so the question arises: does pbuilder maintain one chroot for building, or multiple?
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08:52<themill>last I looked at wine, you needed an amd64 chroot for the amd64 bits and an i386 chroot for the i386 bits and needed to build the different architecture packages in the appropriate chroots
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08:53<TobiX>Sidicas: Well, since multiarch, wine is i386-only...
08:53<TobiX>Sidicas: Sorry, wrong name ;)
08:53<TobiX>I ment Volley
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08:54<Volley>correct, but right now my main concern is understanding what the workflow with pbuilder is supposed to be ... create 32bit chroot, build package, destroy chroot, recreate 64bit, ... or can one have multiple chroots for different archs with pbuilder at the same time?
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08:55<TobiX>Volley: You canhave different base.tgzs
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08:57<nevyn>themill: that makes my eyes bleed..
08:58<TobiX>Volley: See http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks#How_to_build_for_different_distributions for some ideas
08:59<Volley>TobiX: ah - thanks ... reading ...
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09:00<folibuntu>hi
09:00<TobiX>Volley: Oh, and another trick I am using: If you have plenty of RAM, you can mount a tmpfs to /var/cache/pbuilder/build/, which speeds up unpacking and cleaning of the build place...
09:01<folibuntu>ssh over the Internet ? help
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09:07<themill>nevyn: that's how all debian packages are built -- in native chroots. (cross-building should be possible too, of course. never tried, no idea how well it works, you'd still need two different chroots)
09:07<themill>nevyn: the amd64 packages for wine are useless anyway, you could probably(?) just build the i386 ones
09:08<themill>Volley: you can keep chroots around. Naming them as "$release-$arch" is pretty common.
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09:09<ansgar>Volley: I found sbuild to be much less pain.
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09:11<devil>folibuntu: http://www.unixtutorial.org/2009/05/ubuntu-ssh-how-to-enable-secure-shell-in-ubuntu/
09:11<Volley>themill: i see, thanks
09:12<Volley>ansgar: hmm. kinda my problem with debian...
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09:13<perlwizard>is there some good recommended file share
09:13<perlwizard>sort of like paste.debian.net but for files?
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09:13<grammoboy>ubuntu one?
09:13<EmleyMoor>perlwizard: You mean not text and not pictures?
09:14<Volley>as i just explained somewhere else: every now and then over the last >5 years i tried to build debian packages. i sometimes succeeded. but if one asks me how to do it, i can only tell: i don't really know. i used all kinds of commands, i ended up with a working package sometimes, but i have not the slightest clue what would be the "right" way to do it.
09:14<perlwizard>yes EmleyMoor
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09:14<EmleyMoor>perlwizard: Don't know of one... know lots for text and at least one for pictures...
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09:21<shweppsie>perlwizard: http://ge.tt/
09:21<perlwizard>thanks shweppsie
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09:21<shweppsie>perlwizard: you're most welcome
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09:28<TobiX>perlwizard: There is also https://www.1fichier.com/en - which is commandline-compatible (FTP-upload!) ;)
09:28<TobiX>Volley: Well, there is a packaging manual :)
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09:29<TobiX>Volley: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
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09:30<grammoboy>Ok, how do I turn my raid 1 installation temporarily to an degraded raid 1, for inserting an other drive for copy?
09:30<folibuntu>how do i use ssh over the internet?
09:30<grammoboy>http://principialabs.com/beginning-ssh-on-ubuntu/
09:31<TobiX>grammoboy: You can mark disks as faulty with mdadm
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09:31<grammoboy>is there a tutorial or something how to do this?
09:31<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: Do you really need to do more than just add the new RAID partition to the array?
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09:32<SynrG>grammoboy: honestly? it's called the man page
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09:33<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, I don't know. Should I first rm the 2nd raid 1 drive from the array?
09:33<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, software wise?
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09:33<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: Do you want two drives in it or three?
09:34<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, only place for 2
09:34<EmleyMoor>So, why do you want to make another?
09:34<andreas>hi everyone :)
09:35<grammoboy>nope, I have an raid 1 install with 2 drives atm. But I want to copy the data of an old disk to the nas with the raid 1 installation
09:36<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: So you want to go "single disk" temporarily to make room for another on a short-term basis, then re-add the other disk?
09:36<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, that's it
09:36<andreas>any opinions on what distro to install on an old pc?
09:36<perlwizard>debian
09:37<perlwizard>next question ?
09:37<Patagonicus>andreas: You're really asking that here?
09:37<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: Hmmm... I would say yes, probably do drop the second drive from the array...
09:37<andreas>:(
09:37<andreas>new.... to all this....
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09:37<perlwizard>andreas you've got your answer :)
09:37<perlwizard>satisfied?
09:37<Patagonicus>andreas: Don't be offended. It's just that the people here may be biased ;)
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09:38<grammoboy> -I, --incremental
09:38<grammoboy>hm
09:38<andreas>well... i have a 512 ram pentium 4 ancient pc with no graphics card.....
09:38<Patagonicus>andreas: Although pretty much every distro can be run on old hardware. Although I'd only use Gentoo with a new PC that would do the compiling
09:39<andreas>everything i have tried is slow with my old pc :(
09:39<perlwizard>what's "slow"
09:39<perlwizard>can you define a specific example of slowness
09:39<Patagonicus>andreas: It's probably the software you use. Chrome is slow with my 512MB RAM Intel Atom netbook, but irssi, mpd+ncmpcpp, mcabber and offlineimap+mutt work just fine
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09:40<andreas>watching youtube is ... unwatchable
09:40<perlwizard>well.. yeah
09:40<andreas>frame by frame
09:40<perlwizard>that's what you need a graphics card for
09:40<andreas>games on fb..... no way
09:40<perlwizard>angband in terminal?
09:40<perlwizard>yes way :)
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09:40<andreas>its an onboard graphics card
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09:41<andreas>i tried puppy... super fast but doesnt seem to "see" my wifi
09:41<perlwizard>you want that PC to be a desktop PC ?
09:41<andreas>yes
09:42<perlwizard>might want to invest in some cheap pci graphics card.
09:42<andreas>back in a few minutes sorry for that got to go pick up some relatives from the station
09:42<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, should I mark the drive as fail?
09:42<andreas>bought an agp 8x only to find out later that my mother board suports up to 4x
09:42<andreas>:P
09:43<SynrG>andreas: specifically which onboard gfx card? "lspci -nn | grep -i vga"
09:43<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: I don't know... it might be the way. I wouldn't do what you are trying to do, that way
09:43<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, what would you do?
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09:44<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: Connect the drive externally, or to another computer, and copy it from there...
09:44<SynrG>andreas: if i8xx or worse, forget it, you're never going to be happy with graphics performance. if i915, that's just borderline. you might actually be able to watch youtube if you use youtube-dl and vlc or mplayer instead of flash
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09:45<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, I don't think that's possible
09:45<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, I've no other device that can mount that drive and the drive itself is not bootable anymore
09:46<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: What type of interface?
09:46<grammoboy>serial ata
09:47<EmleyMoor>Well, kist to connect those to a USB port exist... it's what I use when I need to
09:47<EmleyMoor>kits
09:47<grammoboy>WDA5000AACS
09:48<grammoboy>something like this? http://ubuntuone.com/55PL7HhwFkAzTjoUPG86yi
09:48<grammoboy>wrong link
09:49<grammoboy>http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/dd1a/
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09:49<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: One of those would certainly do
09:49<grammoboy>hm 30 $
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09:50<perlwizard>that's a pretty sweet kit
09:50<perlwizard>for $30
09:50<EmleyMoor>I've got an IDE-only version of that, and a SATA hard drive cradle...
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09:53<grammoboy>http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/DeLOCK/Converter_SATA_22_pin__USB_3.0-A_male/952314/
09:53<grammoboy>and that one? ^
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09:54<EmleyMoor>Has the advantage of USB 3.0, if you've got that...
09:54<grammoboy>I don't think I've usb 3
09:54<grammoboy>but afaik it has also usb 2
09:54<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: Doesn't matter, will work on USB 2
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09:55<grammoboy>ok, that might be good to have
09:56<grammoboy>IDE is nice to have too, but I've an old pc which can mount those afaik
09:56<grammoboy>not much money to spend atm
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09:57<TobiX>andreas: Might want to uninstall Flash and use Totem Vegas for videos instead...
09:58<andreas>i have no idea what gfx card i have.. i will check my mother board
09:58<andreas>its a g845gbv
09:59<SynrG>sounds like it would include i845
09:59<andreas>i might need to buy a couple of memory cards and a new agp gfx x4
09:59<andreas>i cant find one of them though
10:00<grammoboy>is there a way to check if the raid 1 install went well and if the raid 1 is working?
10:00<SynrG>andreas: i845 (any i8xx) in my experience is a world of hurt
10:00<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: cat /proc/mdstat
10:00<andreas>:(
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10:01<andreas>so i just buy a proper agp gfx card?
10:01<TobiX>But with 512MB any modern browser gets your system to slow down to a crawl, even moreso with flash
10:01<SynrG>that's 10-year-old integrated gfx. fit for the junk heap
10:01<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, http://fpaste.org/BLTr/
10:01<SynrG>well, you gotta ask how much money is worth putting into this system
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10:01<andreas>the pc was bought 2002 :P
10:01<SynrG>people throw away stuff with better specs
10:02<SynrG>find a friend whose office is doing upgrades and they're chucking their old stuff
10:02<andreas>i dont want to upgrade it its not worth it. thats why i thought i should install a lite distro
10:02<SynrG>well, forget youtube
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10:02<SynrG>*maybe* with youtube-dl + vlc/mplayer. dunno
10:02<andreas>i got a gfx but it was 8x and its not working
10:02<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: md2 is currently still copying. md[01] are OK. The [UU] means both drives are up
10:02<andreas>:(
10:02<TobiX>andreas: I have a PC that is equally old (Pentium 4), but has a Radeon 2400 HD, which makes it bearable
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10:03<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, ok that means I've to wait to shutdown?
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10:03<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: Ah, md1 is not synced yet at all
10:03<TobiX>andreas: See http://www.hadess.net/2011/12/vegas-baby.html for online videos (It's in experimental)
10:03<EmleyMoor>Yes, you should let them finish first
10:04<TobiX>andreas: But I would try to get more RAM first
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10:05<andreas>ram especially old ones are more expensive. they cost 30 euros each so.... 60
10:05<andreas>i am not going to spend 60 quid on a pc that might burst in flames any day now
10:05<andreas>lol
10:05<SynrG>andreas: come to think of it, my old office system had 865g and was tolerable with youtube-dl'd video. that's about 8 years old ...
10:05<SynrG>yeah, don't put money into it
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10:06<SynrG>install a nice base debian install + light desktop of your choice (xfce, lxde or whatever)
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10:06<SynrG>or just a wm
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10:06<SynrG>don't bother with flash plugin for your browser. it's going to really suck
10:07<SynrG>minimal gnome or kde configurations may perform well enough too
10:07<SynrG>just tune down all the effects
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10:09<grammoboy>hm I lost contact with the box via ssh
10:09<grammoboy>strange
10:09<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, the syncing is pending?
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10:09<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: For md1, yes
10:09<EmleyMoor>md0 done, md2 in progress
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10:09<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, can I reboot?
10:10<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: I wouldn't, but I don't think it would actually do any harm
10:10<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, I see
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10:11<grammoboy>so far so good, thx
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10:13<grammoboy>EmleyMoor, oh, what is the best command to copy the data? There is an /home and / partition on the old disk, and I like to copy all the data. Or at least the configuration stuff in /
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10:14<grammoboy>I might want to restore my rsnapshot configuration from it and probably funambol
10:14<grammoboy>from the / partition that is
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10:14<andreas>lubuntu?
10:14<andreas>would that be any good?
10:14<grammoboy>yes if you like to work with mouse
10:14<grammoboy>openbox is also an option with ubuntu
10:15<grammoboy>or debian of course
10:16<EmleyMoor>grammoboy: Mount the disk somewhere, and make a new directory on the RAID array - /olddisk, say... and in it, /olddisk/home... then you could use cp -R... or if you don't need the files "loose", tar...
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10:17<grammoboy>ok thx
10:18<perlwizard>for a very low end graphics like that I'd say openbox or fluxbox
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10:23<real>fluxbox ftw!
10:23<SynrG>andreas: i will caution you that if you're here asking questions about this because you enjoy the level of support you get on irc with debian, and you then jump to lubuntu, ... say goodbye to all the helpful people here
10:23<SynrG>andreas: debian + lxde would be fine and more-or-less equivalent
10:23<andreas>apologises
10:24<andreas>as i said earlier new to all this
10:24<SynrG>not that i want to tell you what to do. but i do often hear complaints from people who come here seeking ubuntu help, whining that "nobody answered" when they went to ubuntu channels.
10:24<SynrG>ymmv
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10:25<SynrG>jftr, lxde uses openbox as its wm. i find that to be a very capable and nice-looing WM, with or without the lxde extras
10:25<SynrG>i think fluxbox is butt-ugly
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10:25<SynrG>(or was the last time i evaluated it)
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10:35<TobiX>SynrG: Well, fluxbox is quite flexible, design-wise, but so is OpenBox
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10:36<SynrG>TobiX: oh, i'm sure it's all that and a slice of bread. i just never got past the ugliness :)
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10:36<real>SynrG: butt-ugly? it is straight, clean and simple.
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10:36<SynrG>meh
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10:38<kiara>ciao
10:38<SynrG>never saw a fluxbox theme i liked. painful font rendering (maybe this is solved in more modern fluxbox? as i said, i never looked at it in a long time)
10:38<kiara>!list
10:38<dpkg>kiara: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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10:39<SynrG>as for "straight, clean and simple", all adjectives that apply equally well to openbox, but openbox, by contrast, actually looks nice :)
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10:39<SynrG>sorry, i have veered OT. further WM-bashing(/defending) -> #debian-offtopic
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10:43<maxxe>will there be a legacy fglrx driver available for wheezy?
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10:54<Sidicas>maxxe: legacy for what hardware? Of course some hardware was dropped from fglrx many years ago
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10:55<maxxe>Sidicas: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730 Pro AGP [Radeon HD 4600 Series], note it's for an agp
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10:56<maxxe>else i'll probably keep squeeze, everything is working
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10:58<Sidicas>maxxe: that should still be supported by fglrx for wheezy. But after wheezy, 4000 series is dropped from fglrx
10:59<maxxe>Sidicas: alright, king. then i might upgrade =)
10:59<maxxe>not now however, i only upgrade when it's stable =)
11:00<Sidicas>I think wheezy is pretty stable.
11:00<Sidicas>In my opinion
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11:01<maxxe>by stable i mean released. i could probably upgrade now but, i wait, cause everything is working ok
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11:04<maxxe>i have a driver from that i downloaded from ati's webpage that's working nice. i can probably build a custom package with it
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11:05<maxxe>if wheezy doesn't support it, that is
11:05<maxxe>doesn't know if it'll work with new X version though
11:06<maxxe>probably not
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11:09<Ktem>HIIIIIII
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11:09<Ktem>people !
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11:10<Ktem>hééééééééééy ???
11:10<Ktem>nobody ?
11:11<jww>sup Ktem .
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11:11<maxxe>i better keep squeeze or build a new computer =)
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11:11<Ktem>sup ktem ? what is sup ???
11:12<maxxe>sup = what's up
11:12<Ktem>AAAH OKAY ! haha, i'm french and i speak a little english lol
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11:13<Ktem>and you, what are you from ?
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11:14<maxxe>the C land
11:14<Ktem>hahaha
11:15<Ktem>how long ?
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11:18<Ktem>lol
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11:19<Ktem>exit
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12:23<grammoboy>one is pending atm http://fpaste.org/EKV7/
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12:24<grammoboy>hm
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13:08<chinneseproduct>any one with knowledge of how to install LAMP
13:09<sney>!lamp
13:09<dpkg>LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp
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13:09*themill hugs the bot with a sense of humour
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13:21<Zizy>ку
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13:22<bitcycle>Hey all. Can someone advise me where to go for details on the syntax supported in debian pkg rules file?
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13:23<themill>dpkg: tell bitcycle about debian/rules
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13:24<bitcycle>themill: Cool. So, its just makefile syntax. That's something I can work with. Thanks!
13:25<themill>yeah, with certain pre-defined targets. See debian policy for more information about them
13:25<themill>You might like to "/msg dpkg nmg" and have a look over the new maintainer's guide
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13:38<killerspec>hi all
13:39<killerspec>I am just wondering how I can reset the root password in wheezy
13:39<retrospectacus>hi killerspec
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13:39<themill>!ifrp
13:39<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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13:40<killerspec>ok I am a noob but I have been searching every where for this Grub. I have this system running on the raspberry Pi
13:42<themill>ahh... just take the sd card out, mount it on another system and edit /etc/shadow in it
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13:42<killerspec>ok cool thanks
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13:43<om>hello big fellas
13:43<retrospectacus>hey little dude
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13:45<marvin>hi
13:45<retrospectacus>hello
13:45<marvin>fuck you
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13:46<marvin>is here a girl
13:47<marvin>is here a girl
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14:02<killerspec>Hi Themill I have been searching for the /etc/shadow file on the sd card and nothing
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14:04<retrospectacus>check /etc/passwd instead - usually there is a x in the password place meaning it's in the shadow file
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14:07<CaBa>hi
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14:08<grammoboy>one is pending atm http://fpaste.org/EKV7/ how long does this take normally?
14:09<grammoboy># cat /proc/mdstat
14:10<killerspec>would i need to do this in debian or can i use ubuntu
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14:11<Patagonicus>killerspec: Any system that can read the card will do. Removing the x from the password place should result in root having no password, so you can set a new on after the next boot
14:11<grammoboy>I'm hesitating to spend work in a system which is still busy getting the raid 1 right
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14:15<killerspec>Patagonicus: The problem is I have no clue as to where the password is. I have found the /etc/ menu but there is no shadow file and there is no paswd file
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14:16<killerspec>pls understand that I am new to linux as a whole but eager to learn
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14:17<retrospectacus>it's a directory, not a menu, and the name is passwd
14:17<Patagonicus>killerspec: The card should contain a folder etc which should contain a file passwd. This file should have lines with :-seperated fields, including one starting with root.
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14:21<killerspec>great I have found it but now when i try to save it the ubuntu system says I have no permission to save or alter the file
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14:21<killerspec>sry directory
14:21<retrospectacus>be root
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14:24<killerspec>be root?
14:24<Patagonicus>killerspec: Add an sudo in front of the editor. E.g. sudo nano etc/passwd
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14:38<joe>hey can somebody help me with some GRUB issues?
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14:39<heikkila>don't know until you told us your issues
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14:40<joe>I have a dual boot with linux mint on one partition and debian on another and i went on debian and installed what updates Debian told me to, and I went to restart and found that GRUB does not show the option for linux mint anymore, how do I correct this?
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14:46<wxl>hey folks. i'm curious about how to use update-alternatives, specially the --install option.
14:47<wxl>i'd like to add an option to x-www-browser
14:48<TobiX>wxl: That is normally the job of a package containing a web browser
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14:48<wxl>indeed it is, but since it's broken, TobiX… ;)
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14:49<TobiX>wxl: Write a bug report :-P
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14:49<wxl>indeed, but meanwhile…
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14:51<wxl>:/
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14:52<blubberdiblub>wxl, you can read the postinst scripts of your installed packages that set up alternatives for examples. they are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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14:54<blubberdiblub>wxl, for instance you can look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/util-linux.postinst how it installs two pagers als alternatives
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14:54<grammoboy>one is pending atm http://fpaste.org/EKV7/ how long does this take normally? Should I do it manually or something? Or just patience?
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14:57<TobiX>grammoboy: Hmm... I've never seen that state...
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14:58<grammoboy>TobiX, I've seen 'pending' on a other md device
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14:58<grammoboy>TobiX, hm nope that was the same
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14:59<grammoboy>this guys had the same message http://kb.haeringer.org/configuring-a-raid1-with-mdadm-on-debian-squeeze/
14:59<grammoboy>he did: mdadm --readwrite /dev/md1
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15:05<grammoboy>but mine says: md1 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sda5[0] sdb5[1]
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15:05<cvl> /server irc.openjoke.org
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15:06<grammoboy> 975860 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
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15:06<grammoboy> resync=PENDING
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15:07<ralu>how can i check if my dhcp client is working ok and is not routers issue
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15:08<killerspec_>thanks for the help all i found out that I can run gedit as root if I typed gksudo and went that way around it :)
15:08<grammoboy>do I need to run grub-install /dev/sdb
15:08<grammoboy>after raid 1 install?
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15:09<grammoboy>some raid 1 specialists in the room?
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15:11<sney>grammoboy: with a raid mirror you do need to install the bootloader to all physical disks, yes
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15:13<grammoboy>sney, ok, do you know something about the pending message?
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15:14<sney>don't know, sorry
15:14<TobiX>grammoboy: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and select both discs, so you get a new grub install in your MBR after an update...
15:15<grammoboy>TobiX, thx!
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15:16<roughnecks>grammoboy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464560
15:16<grammoboy>TobiX, it's a ARM device, it doesn't have a grub
15:17<grammoboy>roughnecks, that's it, thx
15:18<roughnecks>no problem
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15:43<ralu_>how can i figure out why my comp freeze?
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15:44<om>another day comes to its end... have a nice day fellas, bye bye!
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15:58<ralu>how can i figure out why comp freeze?
15:58<ralu>is there any crash log?
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16:01<TobiX>ralu: Is there anything in /var/log/kern.log?
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16:06<ralu>just bootuup
16:06<ralu>nothing unussual
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16:06<ralu>is kernel and drivers loaded in ram?
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17:03<bart>Hello
17:03<bart>I anyone there?
17:04<towo`>no, only bots
17:04<bart>OM
17:04-!-kingsley [~kingsley@174-24-238-158.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #debian
17:04<bart>I have an issue with my Ubuntu installaiton
17:05<bart>can someone help?
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17:05<ralu>try on #ubuntu
17:05<towo`>here is #debian, not $buntu
17:05<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc bart
17:05<dpkg>bart: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
17:05<bart>OK thanks
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17:59<ralu_>how can i figure out why comp freeze every 10 minutes
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18:00<ralu_>an it just freeze, i have here clock on desktop running seconds
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18:00<ralu_>and it just stops
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18:01<ralu>q
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18:04<chealer>ralu: a complete, endless freeze?
18:04<ralu>probabaly
18:04<ralu>i couldnt figure out what is running
18:05<ralu>wait i could check for server
18:05<ralu>it it is online
18:05<ralu>anyway it will freeze again
18:05<ralu>sooner or later
18:05<ralu>what should i do to debug this?
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18:07<Ichabod>ralu: check /var/log/syslog
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18:35<ralu>i dont have any qq
18:35<ralu>* syslog at crash time
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18:38<ralu>sytem crased at 00:12:12 when timer od desktop frozen, but last syslog is from 23:53
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18:47<chealer>ralu: which Debian suite do you use?
18:48<ralu>wz
18:49<ralu>no i have some ideas on how to break my system :D
18:49<ralu>i gonna try
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18:51<dioz>oh god he's a full on fucking retard
18:51<dioz>uh
18:51<dioz>this is the wrong window
18:51<dioz>sry
18:52<dioz>since when did window 24 become debian? WHEN IRSSI WHEN?
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18:59<Gabox>hola
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19:05<Gabox>holass
19:05<Gabox>quien sabe de este chat
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19:05<themill>!es-social Gabox
19:05<dpkg>Gabox: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
19:06<Gabox>nadie responde
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19:06<Gabox>nadie responde que funciones
19:06<Gabox>aaahh me saldre de este locote chat
19:07<abrotman>Gabox: english here, va a #debian-es por espanol
19:07*abrotman pretends to speak spanish or something
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19:50<Texou>hi
19:50<retrospectacus>hi!
19:51<Texou>on Squeeze what's the package for gnome-keyring-manager? missing on Squeeze
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19:52<retrospectacus>Texou: seahorse
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19:52<Texou>ah
19:52<Texou>ok thanks I try
19:52<themill>(naturally! Why didn't I guess that)
19:53<retrospectacus>:P
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19:53<Texou>themill: yes :) strange change
19:54<Texou>hard to guess
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19:54<Texou>gnome-keyring-manager was expected, but seahorse...
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19:58<pabs>if my USB keyboard is detected as both a joystick and a keyboard (it is just a keyboard), where should I file a bug? udev or linux? http://paste.debian.net/198319/
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20:02*abrotman doesn't see joystick, might be missing it
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20:04<dondelelcaro>pabs: sure it's not the sound card?
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20:05<abrotman>could it be the keypad?
20:05<rjsalts>Is there any reason that debian's pam and exim/postfix/dovecot/etc configurations don't default to maildir?
20:06<dondelelcaro>rjsalts: because lots of things don't default to maildir
20:06<dondelelcaro>rjsalts: but it's pretty trivial to support them
20:07<rjsalts>dondelelcaro: but there are definite advantages to maildir
20:07<dondelelcaro>rjsalts: and disadvantages too, yes.
20:08<rjsalts>dondelelcaro: I can't think of many given modern file systems
20:08<dondelelcaro>rjsalts: but you can easily switch any of those tools to use maildir; it's just not the default
20:08<rjsalts>dondelelcaro: I realize, I do use maildir, I was asking why it wasn't the default
20:08<pabs>dondelelcaro: eh?
20:08<dondelelcaro>rjsalts: mainly historical raisons.
20:09<dondelelcaro>rjsalts: and because changing the default means changing all of the defaults on everything that assumes the current default
20:09<rjsalts>dondelelcaro: aye, but surely it could be made a release goal at some point if there was enough support for it
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20:10<pabs>abrotman: hmm, it does have a keypad
20:10<dondelelcaro>pabs: ah; nevermind
20:10<rjsalts>I was mostly wondering aloud as to whether it has ever been discussed
20:10<dondelelcaro>rjsalts: not really, because most anyone who would care about whether it was maildir or mbox is generally doing something else more complicated with the mail setup
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20:14<uno>hi
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20:14<abrotman>pabs: though, most keyboards have those .. Could have they have done something with the hardware to have an option to emulate a js/mouse?
20:15<pabs>maybe, it does appear to have 2 USB HIDs
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20:17<dondelelcaro>pabs: though checking, even my usb keyboard seems to get 2 HIDs.
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20:17<pabs>what does ls -lR on your /dev/input look like?
20:18<dondelelcaro>pabs: the second one just goes to another event
20:20<dondelelcaro>(but): usb-05f3_0007-event-kbd -> ../event1 usb-05f3_0007-event-if01 -> ../event2
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20:26<uno>ya parenle
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20:29<uno>hola
20:30<abrotman>uno: english here please
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20:32<ian>even after installing iwlwifi iwconfig shows no wireless extensions for lo, pan0, and eth0. How can I debug why it isn't setting up extensions for my wireless card?
20:32<abrotman>did you reload the driver or reboot ?
20:32<abrotman>you mean you installed the firmware?
20:32<ian>Yes
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20:32<ian>I followed the directions here http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi?action=show&redirect=iwlagn#Squeeze
20:33<ian>and have both reloaded and rebooted
20:33<abrotman>ian: lspci -nn .. what's your wifi device ?
20:33<ian>abrotman: Intel Corporation Device [8086:088e] (rev 24)
20:33<ian>no specific device number
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20:34<abrotman>there's no better description? is your wired networking working ?
20:34<ian>wired is working, but is a usb adapter
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20:34<ian>as in a dongle
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20:35<abrotman>ian: update-usbids;update-pciids;lspci -nn .. see what it says then
20:35<abrotman>also, what's your 'uname -r' ?
20:36<ian>abrotman - 2.6.32-5-amd64
20:36<ian>bear with me on the other one - need to connect eth0
20:36<abrotman>okay
20:36<abrotman>but i can probably tel lyou that you'll need to get the newer kernel and firmware from backports.debian.org
20:36<ian>oaky
20:36<ian>that's fine - maybe I should just go to unstable?
20:37<abrotman>i don't think i'd go that far
20:37<abrotman>start with either the backports, or wheezy
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20:39<ian>okay - Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6235
20:39<ian>@abrotman
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20:40<abrotman>right, so you'll need the bits from backports, or you can switch to wheezy
20:40<ian>hmm - I'll try Wheezy
20:40<ian>thanks
20:41<abrotman>dpkg: tell ian about squeeze->wheezy
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20:59<uno>do you have time for learning me
21:00<uno>?
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21:02<sney>!ask
21:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:36<Thomian>I need help installing Debian 6.0.6
21:37<ryuk>be more specific please
21:37<Thomian>When i choose install, I get some unintelligeble text at the top of the screen. If I let it go, I get a green bar at the top of the boot menu.
21:37<Thomian>After a minute or two, I see that my install thumb drive is not doind anything.
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21:39<ian>abrotman - thanks! updating to wheezy fixed that.
21:40<abrotman>ian: glad to hear
21:40<abrotman>Thomian: newer system?
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21:40<Thomian>abrotman, No, circa 2006
21:40<Thomian>Dell Dimension B110
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21:41<Thomian>Ubuntu was getting a little to heavy on the graphics card, so I decided to give Debian a try :)
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21:43<abrotman>possibly overheating?
21:43<abrotman>i guess not alwways at the same place
21:43<Thomian>abrotman, are talking to me?
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21:44<Thomian>Uh oh, have to go!
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21:44<abrotman>okay then
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21:49<frankko>i have a problem the letter "d" does not work in any terminal.. how do i solve this?
21:50<abrotman>what?
21:50<abrotman>you just typed it!
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21:51<ryuk>maybe he copy/pasted it. frankko is it only terminals or everything
21:52<frankko>only terminals
21:52<frankko>i can write it fine here in xchat
21:52<frankko>tried both mate.terminal and xfce4-terminal
21:53<abrotman>oh, only xterm
21:53<abrotman>did you try a normal xterm ?
21:53<abrotman>frankko: wait, which version of Debian is this?
21:54<frankko>wheezy
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21:56<abrotman>wheezy + what?
21:56<abrotman>are you using LMDE?
21:56<frankko>nope gdm+mate
21:57<frankko>and it worked a while ago...
21:57<abrotman>but mate isnt in debian, at all
21:57<frankko>if i hiver with the mouse over a terminal and press "d" the cursor disappears.
21:57<abrotman>encoding issue? keymap issue?
21:57<frankko>abrotman, i know that they have packages for debian on their site
21:58<frankko>ok with ordinary xterm i can not use the letter d either
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22:01<ectospasm>yeah, sounds like you've bound d to a nonaction
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22:02<ectospasm>I mistakenly bound 'w' to something, kinda hard to write and quit vim if you can't remember ZZ
22:02<ectospasm>...that was in XMonad
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22:05<frankko>i can not paste the letter d in terminals either
22:05<frankko>all other letter work though
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22:06<abrotman>same with normal xterm?
22:06<frankko>yup
22:06<abrotman>tried as a different user?
22:06<abrotman>trie danother WM ?
22:06<frankko>but if i start nano in a terminal the letter works
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22:07<frankko>and capitol D works
22:08<frankko>could i have bound it somehow to be in my bashrx or something then?
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22:08<abrotman>or ignore my other two quetsions
22:09<frankko>i can try another DE but i have none installed.
22:09<frankko>o i have amiwm.. i will try that.
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22:09<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps i have been writing my own script to switch wifi APs on my netbook for sometime, i was wondering if there is a proper way to setup w/o a dang gui?
22:09<Eryn_1983_FL>i guess ifup scripts?
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22:13<judgen>nope same with both users and in three different wm's
22:14<judgen>wonder why d works in nano but not in plain command line
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22:20<judgen>the problems might have started when i installed gdm..
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22:20<Eryn_1983_FL>hmm wpasupplicant
22:23<judgen>i will try installing some other login manager
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22:26<judgen>that did not work either..
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22:34<judgen>i found the error
22:34<ext5>hey, my screen keep going blank after a few minute and its not my screensaver?
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22:34<judgen>i had a faulty /etc/inputrc with the line "do not bell on tab-completion"
22:34<judgen>lol
22:36<judgen>now it works perfectly
22:38<abrotman>how did it get faulty?
22:38<judgen>i uncommented the system-bell none line before to get the annoying beeps to stop
22:39<judgen>must have thrashed it then
22:39<abrotman>!bell
22:39<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
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22:55<lucas_>hi
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23:00<xenome>anyone know why service network-manager restart would not bring back my wireless interfacE?
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23:00<sney>xenome: well, why did you restart it in the first place?
23:01<xenome>i was adding a static ip to another interface
23:02<xenome>so it restarts and the static IP is set for the wired interface, but wireless never comes back
23:02<xenome>i have to reboot to make it work again
23:02<sney>you were adding the static ip in /etc/network/interfaces ? what do you mean wireless doesn't "come back" ?
23:02<xenome>i'm just not smart enough to know what's happening at bootup to bring all that stuff to life
23:02<xenome>yeah
23:02<xenome>so I have eth0 and eth1/wlan
23:03<xenome>eth0 was dhcp, I changed it to static
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23:03<xenome>ran /etc/init.d/networking restart
23:03<xenome>and the wireless interface went out, but never came back
23:03<xenome>eth0 came back as expected with the new static IP
23:03<sney>I know there's a setting you can change in the n-m config to make it be more flexible where interfaces is involved
23:04<xenome>running /etc/network-manager restart|start|etc.. doesn't seem to do anything
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23:05<sney>xenome: what if you set managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
23:06<xenome>what will that do?
23:06<xenome>i guess what part of the system picks up the wireless interface and configures it?
23:06<xenome>iwconfig shows the interface
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23:07<sney>xenome: what it does is make network-manager less anal about changes to /etc/network/interfaces. (as a side effect, your static wired interface will still show in n-m)
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23:09<xenome>is there a command to force network-manager to rescan the network
23:09<xenome>and connect?
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23:11<sney>if there is I don't know what it is. ifup wlan0 or eth1 or whatever might do it
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23:13<xenome>yeah those don't work
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23:15<ridwan>gambas
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23:16<sney>xenome: your setup is a little unusual, so #nm on irc.freenode.net might be the place to go
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23:43<carlos>hola
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