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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-10-10

---Logopened Wed Oct 10 00:00:37 2012
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00:11<gridwest_user>hello
00:12<gridwest_user>is anyone else online or am I alone
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00:17<gridwest_user>hello
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00:17<gridwest_user>is debian free software
00:18<gridwest_user>?
00:18<gridwest_user>is debian free software?
00:18<Calinou>yes, it is
00:19<gridwest_user>thank you
00:19<Calinou>note that 1) there is no proprietary firmware on a base install
00:19<Calinou>2) non-free sources can be enabled but are disabled by default
00:19<Calinou>3) no distro fully prevents proprietary software install
00:19<Calinou>see the "vrms" package
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00:20<gridwest_user>what is the vrms package for
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00:23<Calinou>checks whether non-free/contrib packages are installed or not
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00:24<gridwest_user>thank you
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01:03<Samouswolf>恩??
01:04<Samouswolf>somebody
01:05<Samouswolf>????
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01:07<Calinou>no.
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01:38<rafael>hi
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01:50<kilelme>!ask
01:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:59<abcde>hi
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02:10<petrol91>hi I've got problem
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02:12<Calinou>don't ask to ask
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02:13<petrol91>I'm using debian sid amd64, and i'm need to install libasound2-plugins-equal whit depends on caps. The problem is that gam i want to use it with is i386. Now i dont know what to do because instaling both libasound2-plugin-equal:i386 is Conflicted in cause of caps:i386 and caps
02:14<petrol91>Calinou: I'm sorry but typing long sentence may take some time.
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02:19<petrol91>when i forceinstal it, the resoult is: Failed to load plugin "/usr/lib/ladspa/caps.so": /usr/lib/ladspa/caps.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
02:20<Calinou>install 32 bit compatibility layer: ia32-libs (not sure, i think)
02:21<petrol91>they are instaled
02:21<petrol91>at this moment i'm trraying to replace ia64 -> ia32
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02:24<petrol91>it wont help to.
02:25<petrol91>now i can lunch the game, but changing volume levels is a problem
02:26<Calinou>what game?
02:27<petrol91>America's Army
02:27<petrol91>It is UT2004 based
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02:32<petrol91>I think that caps need to be multiarch to
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02:45<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps i cant upgrade my wheezy netbook,
02:46<Eryn_1983_FL>its saying something is wrong with libopencore-amrwb0
02:46<Eryn_1983_FL>i386
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02:46<Eryn_1983_FL>is missing final newline
02:46<Eryn_1983_FL>error code two dpkg
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02:53<Eryn_1983_FL>cool beans
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04:50<star>what's this?
04:51<Maulkin>star: Support channel for the Debian Operating System
04:52<Maulkin>(Note, not Ubuntu)
04:52<star>What did you do to me just now?
04:52-!-themill [~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
04:52<Maulkin>star: Checking what you're connected with - right click on this link, and choose connect: irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
04:53<Maulkin>star: that should redirect you to the right place :)
04:53<star>very good. thank you
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04:55<star>Maulkin: In fact, I wonder how did you know that I'm using Ubuntu?
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04:57<Maulkin>star: Because it says so when I did that thing :)
04:58<star>Yeah.. but how did you do that?
04:58<star>That's cool... to know one's system type.
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05:08<albe>CIAO A TUTTI
05:08<albe>E LA PRIMA VOLTA CHE USO QUESTO PROGRAMMA/CHAT
05:09<albe>COME FUNZIONA ???
05:09<albe>IO USAVO MIRC PER W7
05:09<Maulkin>!it
05:09<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:10<albe>!IT
05:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:12<fritzsche>hello
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06:14<fritzsche>hello iwan
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06:16<devil>fritzsche: you have a debian related question?
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06:18<fritzsche>yes, i think ... where is the location of the repo for etch amd64?
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06:18<devil>etch is outdated
06:19<fritzsche>i know, but in same server running with etch and i need to test own deb packages
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06:20<jm_>!archive
06:20<dpkg>rumour has it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
06:21<devil>http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r7/i386/iso-cd/
06:21<devil>for example
06:23<fritzsche>ok, there are the iso but i need deb packages i want to run aptitude ... with etch
06:24<themill>fritzsche: did you read what dpkg said?
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06:35<fritzsche>dpkg: can write the
06:35<dpkg>no idea, fritzsche
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06:36<fritzsche>dpkg: can write the http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive in /etc/apt/source.list ?
06:36<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, fritzsche
06:36<jm_>fritzsche: dpkg is a bot
06:37<jm_>and read http://archive.debian.org/debian/README
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06:40<fritzsche>jm_: thanks, i run aptitude update and get the error W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.debain.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.debain.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
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06:42<jm_>fritzsche: put your sources.list file on some pastebin
06:44<jm_>ahh I see the error
06:44<fritzsche>the source.list file http://pastebin.com/71ydUV0d
06:44<jm_>http://archive.debain.org
06:44<jm_>http://archive.debain.org
06:44<jm_>!debain
06:44<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
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06:46<fritzsche>ah ok ... so bad :( ... thanks for your help
06:46<jm_>no worries
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07:24<backbox>ciao a tutti
07:24<backbox>sono nuovo e vorrei aiuto con linux
07:25<babilen>!it
07:25<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:25<babilen>backbox: Or speak English in here :)
07:25<backbox>tnks
07:25<backbox>#debian-it
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07:33<backbox>sorry but italy channel no responding
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07:33<backbox>can i help me?
07:33<Gryllida>what is the problem?
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07:34<backbox>my sound card don't work with back box
07:34<jm_>!blackbox
07:34<dpkg>i heard blackbox is a window manager for X, or tormenting mhall by hiding the unminimize button, or unique in that its icons are completely invisible, and must be accessed via the middle-click menu. Ask about <bbtools> for some of the nifty tools available. http://blackboxwm.sf.net/BlackboxFAQ #blackbox on irc.freenode.net.
07:34<jm_>sorry wrong window
07:35<jm_>but if you mean backbox distro then /msg dpkg backbox
07:35<backbox>what is the best?
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07:35<backbox>im lamer with linux
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07:36<jm_>you need to ask in #backbox on irc.autistici.org if this is about backbox linux
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07:36<backbox>tnks
07:36<backbox>but is
07:37<backbox>but the best distro is
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07:37<backbox>ubuntu ?
07:37<jm_>that's up to you to decide
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07:38<backbox>but the best for me for begin
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07:40<backbox>thk see u soon
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07:56<saravanan>hello
07:56<saravanan>hello
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07:57<AttilaHooper>I have arrived
07:58<saravanan>how are you
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07:58<AttilaHooper>well, thx
07:58<saravanan>what are you doing
07:59<Maulkin>This is a channel for Debian support. For general chatting, please use #moocows
07:59<AttilaHooper>thought I would check-in to #deb to see what's going on. have Squeeze on eeepc, gigabyteX48t, and looking at old G5mac powerpc
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08:01<AttilaHooper>10-4 Maulkin
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08:14<nardev>hello, i have small problem with sound on Debian 6.0.6, stable. I can't play sounds from two different concurrent sources. Please, help. I had this problem before but i forgot how to fix it.
08:14<perlwizard>you probably need to install pulseaudio
08:14<perlwizard>or something similar.
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08:16<nardev>perlwizard, i will try
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08:17<nardev>perlwizard, i already had it.
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08:18<jm_>check which sound device these apps are using
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08:22<nardev>jm_, aha, i find out
08:22<nardev>something
08:22<nardev>hope it's fixed now
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08:59<kolaracdn>why doesn't the finger command work
08:59<kolaracdn>in debian
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09:49<alexandros_c>hello can someone help me with suspend/hibernation it is not working properly it will suspend/hibernate but fails to recover. For suspend, it shuts off when you try to wake up the laptop. btw, I am using debian squeeze 6.0.6
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10:09<pawel>nickname Javel
10:09<pawel>join #debian
10:09<heikkila>pawel, you are already here
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10:10<pawel>eeee okey
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10:10<heikkila>pawel, irc commands are prefixed with a slash, like so /join #debian
10:11<pawel>thanks, I first time use irc
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10:20<pawel>I have Debian on server, so I don't know if on desktop is there same ugly Unity as on Ubuntu?
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10:22<heikkila>pawel, no, it's not in the Debian repositories
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10:22<heikkila>pawel, you can choose between Gnome, Kde, Xfce, Lxde, and a few more as desktop
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10:26<pawel>OK, so time to migrate came.
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10:49<killerspec>hi all quick noob question I wanna set up a file share and printer share network at home and was wondering if it was possible but I am running debian wheezy ubuntu 12.04 and windows 7 not to mention all the iphones and iPads in the house
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10:52<killerspec>hello anyone here
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10:54<ratcheer>killerspec: Look into Samba
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11:20<zumbi__>!hi
11:20<dpkg>hello, zumbi__
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11:22<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net.
11:23<zumbi__>dpkg, why after upgrading xfce4 4.8 to 4.10 all my custom settings are gone?
11:23<dpkg>zumbi__: I think you lost me on that one
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11:28<retrospectacus>morning
11:28<retrospectacus>today I have a problem with mounting: http://paste.debian.net/198573/
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11:33<sney>retrospectacus: -t auto?
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11:36<retrospectacus>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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11:37<retrospectacus>I think I got it though, thanks
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11:37<retrospectacus>there are two drives in this mystery box, the other drive has the same part. scheme but they mounted fine as ext3
11:37<retrospectacus>some kind of raid?
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12:02<Thomian>Hello, I'm having some trouble install Debian 6.0.6. This is my first time with Debian, so I'm a little clueless. When I boot up from my usb stick (i386, netinst) I get the debian boot menu like normal. When I go to graphical install, I get some unintelligeble text at the top of the screen. I wait, It goes away after about 30s and then I get a wierd repeating pattern of colors at the top of the screen. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Thomas
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12:03<Thomian>PS: Dell dimension B110. I let it go for a few hours, and I still have the wierd pattern.
12:04<Thomian>My flash drive does not seem to be doing anything.
12:04<zumbi__>Thomian: most likely that image is broken for you
12:04<zumbi__>Thomian: where did you get the USB image from?
12:04<zumbi__>Thomian: could you try another one?
12:04<Thomian>Just a moment...
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12:06<Thomian>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso I went to Getting Debian -> Small image -> Small CD -> i386.
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12:07<Thomian>Pardon, I meant USB Stick, not small CD
12:07<babilen>Thomian: Does the text installer work? How did you create the USB stick?
12:08<Thomian>babilen: I used dd to write the image on Ubuntu, and when I use the Text installer instead, I get a green bar instead of wierd color patterns.
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12:10<roughnecks>try checking the md5
12:10<SynrG>maybe try vga=# (e.g. vga=788)
12:10<babilen>Thomian: Hmm, your hardware should be well supported by the kernel that comes with squeeze (debian stable) and I can't really think of a good reason why you see the behaviour. It might be that you didn't create the install medium correctly.
12:10<SynrG>appended to boot params
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12:11<Thomian>OK, just a moment. I'll start with SynrG
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12:12<SynrG>certain intel gfx chipsets have been reported to freak out a bit by some eeepc users installing squeeze. i think this worked for them as a workaround.
12:12<Thomian>Append to text of graphical install
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12:12<babilen>Thomian: The recommended procedure to create it is: " cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" where /dev/sdX is the block device of the USB stick (e.g. /dev/sdc) .. Try that after trying SynrG's suggestion.
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12:12<SynrG>(though for eeepc the vga mode is a bit different)
12:12<SynrG>Thomian: well, text or graphical. try the one you prefer first.
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12:14<Thomian>well, vga=788 no change. I'll try the recommended way now.
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12:14<SynrG>Thomian: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers
12:14<SynrG>pick a mode appropriate for your hardware
12:14<SynrG>788 was only an example
12:15<SynrG>that was based on "800x600 @ 16bit should work for most hardware" guess ...
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12:15<SynrG>might not actually be a good value in your case
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12:17<Thomian>Uh oh, I think I deleted my debian iso
12:17<Thomian>I'll have to come back later. Thanks!
12:17<SynrG>particularly if you don't have a 4:3 ratio display, you might get strange artefacts if the rescaling of the mode for your display is wonky for the gfx driver on your hardware.
12:18<babilen>Thomian: Are you in Ubuntu right now?
12:18<SynrG>another thing is, it might have to be used in conjunction with disabling KMS
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12:18*SynrG checks his notes ...
12:20<Thomian>babilen Yes, I'm typing this from Ubuntu 12.10 beta 2
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12:21<Thomian>just a moment...
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12:21<SynrG>http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/07/msg02244.html
12:21<babilen>Thomian: I have to leave now, but you *might* want to try the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) if playing with the video modes didn't work out. I would personally also try the wheezy installer (which will install a development version of Debian) and check if that works. You can get the latter from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
12:22<babilen>argh
12:22<babilen>Well, SynrG has time and patience too. /me needs to leave, may you all have a good day.
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13:44<ext5>hey
13:44<ext5>ppl around the world
13:44<themill>dpkg: tell ext5 about ask
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13:54<ext5>how can i get selinux to work i set enforce=1 but when i reboot it still tell me permissive mode
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13:55<retrospectacus>!selinux
13:55<dpkg>Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>.
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14:21<caro>samira
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14:24<caro>hola soy nueva
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14:39<vincenzo_>list!
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15:09<vincenzo_>!list
15:09<dpkg>vincenzo_: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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15:33<alex_>need help to configure iphone on xubuntu 12.04
15:33<ansgar>!ubuntu
15:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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15:34<vincenzo_>lista
15:35<vincenzo_>dove trovo la lista
15:35<vincenzo_>?
15:35<vincenzo_>help!
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15:35<vincenzo_>!help
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15:39<perlwizard>vincenzo_ italian?
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15:41<roughnecks>vincenzo_: non si scarica nulla qui
15:41<roughnecks>è un canale di supporto per Debian
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15:41<MrFrood>!it
15:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:47<ralu>hello i installed debian 6 and later upgraded on testing whezzy. I had problems with freezing on kernel 3.2 both bpo i was running on squeeze and then 3.2 from whezzy. Computer consistently freeze 10min later. Now i am runing latest stable kernel 3.6.1 from siduction repo and i was also running 3.4 for few days. Both are running fine
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15:52<ralu>i just cant figure out why 3.2 is freezing all the time
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15:53<ralu>freeze is consistetent as cron job
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15:53<towo`>ralu, no one here can either
15:53<towo`>ralu, you give zero infos about your system
15:53<ralu>how can log this crash
15:54<ralu>last time i checked logs it there was nothing there
15:54<ralu>at least not at that time
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16:13<abrotman>does etbe come around on OFTC?
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16:14<ian>How can I debug intermittent full system freezes?
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16:15<ahtmly2k>HELP; My Unity Lens won't show any applications. The application lens is there but won't show it's application content. Searching for apps doesn't help either.
16:16<Ganneff>!ubuntu
16:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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16:19<abrotman>i don't understand half of that question ...
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16:20<ian>abrotman: mine?
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16:25<ompaul>ian: apart from looking in the logs, increasing what you log, removing non-free software in case that's the cause, have ssh running so you can ssh in.
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16:26<ompaul>ian: often times a not responding system will allow someone ssh in
16:26<ian>So, I should run ssh-server in the background?
16:26<ompaul>it might be as slow as a long rainy day but you may get in
16:27<ompaul>well it runs, background is not really how it works, but yes you should have one running (obviously you need a machine to log in from)
16:27<ralu>!mint-debian
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16:28<ompaul>it's nothing to do with debian
16:28<retrospectacus>!lmde
16:28<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
16:28<ian>ompaul: I guess it runs as a daemon?
16:28<ompaul>ian: always look at log files
16:28<ompaul>ian: its a server so yes
16:29<ompaul>daemoninzing all your processes :)
16:29<ian>ompaul: I've been looking at dmesg output - but startup is super chatty, so I don't see any errors
16:29<ompaul>once installed it runs
16:29<ompaul>well messages and syslog are your starting points, with google looking at the "shutdown time"
16:29<ompaul>or before that
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16:30<ompaul> /var/log/messages
16:30<ompaul>and so on
16:30<ompaul>ian: prepare for a long slow google as you learn what's stuff you want and whats stuff you don't want
16:30<retrospectacus>ian: you could also consider hardware issues - re-seat/replace/disable pieces, memtest, smartctl, check temperatures, overclocking settings, etc.
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16:31<ian>ompaul: only propietary software I'm running is the iwlwifi driver, which I think is pretty stable.
16:31<ompaul>ian: it usually is
16:31<ompaul>ian: how old is the box
16:31<ompaul>and what kind
16:31<ian>retrospectacus: Right - I wonder about that because it's brand new
16:31<ian>unboxedp ssh - secure shell client and server (metapackage)
16:31<ian>whoops
16:31<ian>sorry
16:31<ompaul>openssh-server
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16:31<ian>I unboxed it yesterday - it's an Asus zenbook 31a
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16:32<ian>I'm running Wheezy
16:32<ian>apart from the random crashes, it's a really good box.
16:33<diederik>I want to run a script @ 22:22:22 (GMT) tonight and tried to schedule it with the 'at' command. According to the manpage you should be able to specify seconds, but the job was scheduled at the whole minute
16:33<lnx> /cle
16:33<ralu>i have crases with kernel 3.2
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16:33<ralu>do you have freeze?
16:33<ompaul>ian: and you have dist upgraded it?
16:33<diederik>according to 'google' it isn't possible and a workaround is to put a sleep statement in your script.
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16:34<diederik>So my question is: how do I get a script to execute with second precision?
16:34<dondelelcaro>diederik: at only gets run once a minute, so it can't things more accurately than that
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16:35<diederik>dondelelcaro: is there another command which would let me do it?
16:35<dondelelcaro>diederik: if you need something to run with second precision, the general method is to start it a few minutes before hand, then sleep in a small loop until the time is right, then fire
16:35<ian>ompaul: I'm not sure I know what you mean exactly. I've run aptitude update??
16:35<dondelelcaro>diederik: but generally speaking, you will still have some trouble getting the seconds exactly right
16:35<ompaul>ian: and rebooted?
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16:35<ian>ompaul: rebooted by force!
16:36<ompaul>ian: heh, do a dist upgrade
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16:36<ompaul>now just see if it helps
16:36<ompaul>ian: not upgrade but dist-upgrade
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16:36<diederik>dondelelcaro: that's what I noticed too, the command was scheduled at the whole minute, but looks like it got executed at the 16th second (very low load on machine)
16:37<dondelelcaro>diederik: right, that's because it takes some time for everything to get started, etc.
16:37<dondelelcaro>diederik: what exactly are you trying to do?
16:38<diederik>I want to generate a (self-signed) certificate. In the certificate the exact time is recorded, so I thought it would be funny to have it at 2012-10-10T22:22:22
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16:38<diederik>not anything life-threathening ;)
16:39<dondelelcaro>diederik: see faketime
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16:39<diederik>dondelelcaro: thanks! looks interesting
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16:40<dondelelcaro>diederik: and in the future, it's usually better to explain what you're actually trying to do first... you don't need to run a command at a specific time to specify what the actual time is
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16:40<diederik>noticed. will do :)
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16:41<perlwizard>what kind of software is on dvd-1 ?
16:41<perlwizard>I assume all the necessities?
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16:42<streuner>perlwizard: why do you want to know that? (usually you install everything via internet...)
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16:43<perlwizard>there is a person that sort of wants to install linux
16:43<perlwizard>but has no internet at home
16:43<perlwizard>so I wonder if dvd1 would be a good thing to download
16:43<streuner>without internet, Debian is in most cases useless
16:44<ralu>streuner: Why?
16:44<perlwizard>:(
16:44<ompaul>streuner: not true, about a year ago a pal of mind visited a sub saharan location with a full set of dvds / cds
16:44<ralu>i am not sure that this correct
16:45<ompaul>streuner: they had it all - if they needed updates they could use the slow as a wet week internet but for a local lan it was ok
16:45<streuner>ompaul: its just boring, thats what i thougt...
16:45<ralu>there arent many distro that can install ALL packages offline
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16:45<ralu>and debian can
16:45<perlwizard>hmm
16:45<ompaul>streuner: boring ... debian ... ... right ...
16:45<streuner>sure, but why?
16:45<perlwizard>so debian testing iis only 1 dvd ?
16:45*ompaul moves on
16:45<perlwizard>is that correct
16:46<streuner>perlwizard: nah
16:46<ralu>yes of course
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16:46<perlwizard>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/powerpc/iso-dvd/
16:46<ompaul>perlwizard: don't install testing - install stable and dist-upgrade
16:46<perlwizard>I see 1 dvd here
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16:46<streuner>perlwizard: the question is, what s(he) want to do with Debian WITHOUT internet?
16:46<ompaul>the iso is just for testing the installer
16:46<ralu>packages are distributed in packages by usage
16:47<ompaul>streuner: discussion in #debian-offtopic please
16:47<perlwizard>streuner just a normal desktop os
16:47<perlwizard>browser, flash, office
16:47<ralu>p0rn
16:47<perlwizard>maybe :)
16:47<streuner>perlwizard: and, thats all for internet?
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16:48<streuner>browser, flash, sounds for internet
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16:48<perlwizard>meh
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16:48<perlwizard>ok, maybe not internet
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16:48<perlwizard>but it has to be some sort of GUI
16:48<perlwizard>because that person is not very good at computers
16:49<ralu>office, astronomy, clusters, programming,
16:49<ralu>internet is just disturbing factor
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16:51<ralu>what is wrong with XFCE
16:51<streuner>perlwizard: if he isnt good for computers, he shouldnt run Debian, IME
16:51<ralu>what than?
16:51<ralu>reatcos?
16:51<streuner>not unix
16:51<ralu>reactOS
16:52<perlwizard>:/
16:52<perlwizard>ok then
16:52<ralu>sorry
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16:52<streuner>perlwizard: or he just learn
16:52<ralu>i think that streuner is just wrong
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16:52<ompaul><sardonic> Welcome to the chat channel we don't want you in #debian-offtopic </sardonic>
16:53<ralu>i have installed 3 linux matchines to computer illiteral persons
16:53<ompaul>mostly because inflections are lost on irc ... please have a chat in #d-o it's what it's there for
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16:55<streuner>ompaul: calm down, nobody cares much, we already solved it...
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16:58<lolo>hi, I am using my dvd-reader under debian squeeze, and it's slow when reading movie .. do you recommend some setting ? (for instance with hdparm ? if I do hdpart -tT I get something like 900kb/sec in cached reads, and 1.25Mb/s in buffered read)
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16:58<retrospectacus>lolo: increase cache size in the media player
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17:01<lolo>retrospectacus, thx, it works
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17:26<berat>merhaba hello
17:27<retrospectacus>hi
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18:31<vook>strange.. the only way I've been able to get xl2tpd to authenticate via pam with freeradius (for google-authenticator) is to use "Auth-Type PAP { pam }" in sites-enabled/default. I wonder if there is another way.
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18:53<ribe>what is going on with the Debian repos?
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19:42<yme>hello
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19:47<yme>hola
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19:48<devil>yme: do you have a debian question?
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19:48<yme>ok
19:50<devil>yme: stop querying me!
19:51<retrospectacus>yme: if you have a debian question just ask it, right here.
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19:52<devil>he does not
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19:54<yme>sorry
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20:29<carlos> /server irc.virtualife.combr | /j #linux_27002
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20:32<GeorgeJetson>when I `ssh localhost` on my debian/testing linode (which is now wheezy) I get the error message - OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000004f, you have 1000103f
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20:33<TCW>GeorgeJetson, I guess ssh somewherelse shows the same error?
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20:34<GeorgeJetson>TCW: somewhereelse like where? I dont have anywhere else to ssh to
20:35<GeorgeJetson>There's a related debian thread - http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2012/06/msg00027.html
20:37<TCW>GeorgeJetson, err... why do you need ssh then?
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20:39<TCW>GeorgeJetson, and see if a nwer openssl package is available
20:39<GeorgeJetson>TCW: because I cant ssh in either
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20:42<ratcheer>GeorgeJetson: Why not reinstall openssh-server and openssh-client? Then, everything should match. I installed them this morning, they're working great for me.
20:43<Chomp>hi
20:43<GeorgeJetson>ratcheer: howdo you reinstall them?
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20:43<retrospectacus>apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client
20:44<Guest1280>apt-get ?, and aptitude ?
20:44<Guest1280>aptitude rocks !
20:44<retrospectacus>whichever
20:44<ratcheer>I guess there are a lot of ways. How about "apt-get remove openssh-client openssh-server" followed by "apt-get update", then "apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server" ??
20:45<GeorgeJetson>ok
20:45<retrospectacus>no need to remove.. update can't hurt
20:45<GeorgeJetson>i will try it
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20:45<retrospectacus>"install" will upgrade if possible
20:46<ratcheer>Yep.
20:47<GeorgeJetson>that worked. thank you very much. you all rock
20:47<ratcheer>Yay!
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20:48<Champ>yes
20:48<Champ>its true
20:50<Champ>its quite
20:50<retrospectacus>Champ: do you have a debian question?
20:52<Champ>mmm nop, I don't have a Debian question
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20:52<retrospectacus>Champ: well feel free to hang around quietly and try to help people who do, or go to #debian-offtopic if you want to chat
20:53<Champ>ja !, ok, thanks !
20:54<Champ>im just testing the Xchat program
20:54<Champ>Its nice ! :-D
20:55<Champ>but, you're right, #debian-offtopic is my channel now.
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22:08<Fernand72>is anyone good with fwbuilder ?
22:09<retrospectacus>probably!
22:09<Fernand72>if you have a rule that blocks everything does it overule any other rule?
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22:10<Fernand72>lets say i have a rule that blocks everything and one rule that allows tcp session in and out on 80
22:11<Fernand72>will it drop the packet ?
22:13<retrospectacus>I haven't used fwbuilder but it probably depends on the order, and it sounds easy to test yourself
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22:14<Fernand72>yeah but i dont wanna screw anything up cuz i dont know how to turn iptable off if its not working properly
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22:14<Fernand72>and is setting up a loopback rule that allows any packet good enough to not screw any unix process running?
22:15<retrospectacus>mess around on a couple VMs or test machines first
22:15<Fernand72>ahhhh thats a good idea
22:15<retrospectacus>if they only use loopback, yeah...
22:15<retrospectacus>it looks like fw builder has some templates you should check out
22:16<Fernand72>but templates are for multiple interface if i understand correctly?
22:16<Fernand72>i only have 1
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22:16*retrospectacus shrugs
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22:17<Fernand72>lol basicly u dont really know much about that do u haha
22:17<retrospectacus>I told you I haven't used fwbuilder
22:18<Fernand72>its the same as iptables only u do it drag and drop instead of scripting it in command line
22:18<Fernand72>so if u do it by terminal u should know those things anyways
22:18<retrospectacus>I don't use templates then...
22:19<Fernand72>yeah well.. thx anyways ill try on a vbox thats a good idea
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22:32<kaos-elcisi>selam gençler
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22:37<dustoff>what's the right channel to get help with a debian squeeze install off of a thumb drive?
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22:38<retrospectacus>dustoff: here, or #debian-live if you used that
22:39<dustoff>thanks
22:40<dustoff>I did a netinst
22:41<dustoff>I installed that into a thumb drive, and installed, but I can't get grub installed.
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22:43<dustoff>it sees the thumbdrive as /dev/sda, the drive I installed it into was /dev/sdb
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22:58<retrospectacus>!tell dustoff about fixmbr
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23:15<Guest1290>?
23:19<Guest1290>my system debian testing, do not detected my touchpad, please help me
23:19<Guest1290>xinput --list info: ⎡ Virtual core pointer id=2 [master pointer (3)]
23:19<Guest1290>⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer id=4 [slave pointer (2)]
23:19<Guest1290>⎜ ↳ USB Optical Mouse id=10 [slave pointer (2)]
23:19<Guest1290>⎣ Virtual core keyboard id=3 [master keyboard (2)]
23:19<Guest1290> ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard id=5 [slave keyboard (3)]
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