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---Logopened Fri Oct 12 00:00:39 2012
00:05-!-|Anthony| [~anthony@pool-173-66-227-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
00:06<|Anthony|>I'm preparing a home server where people on the outside will be able to use ssh and ftp to access it. Is SELinux something i should read up on, or is it unnecessary?
00:07<ext5>i mean like if i use apt-get remove "something". in order to complete the comman i would also have to issue apt-get autoremove. i dont understand a simple program have so many dependency
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00:08<ext5>chealer,
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00:08<sney>ext5: most "simple" programs depend on multiple libraries that might not be used by other programs.
00:08<sney>|Anthony|: it's not a bad idea to at least read up on it and make the decision yourself.
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00:11<|Anthony|>sney, i am. i started here http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux but the info is kinda terse. I'm off to http://selinuxproject.org now
00:11<k00n>|Anthony|: selinux might be overkill for a home server, but heh no amount of security is too much. I would first focus on the simpler steps like ssh-keys and disabling root login for ssh, and jails for FTP
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00:12<|Anthony|>k00n, i'm comfortable with configuring ssh, and my firewall rules are fairly stringent. I thought jails is a bsd thing?
00:12<k00n>|Anthony|: jails as in jail FTP users to specific dirs
00:13<k00n>that can be done with vsftpd
00:13<sney>or just eschew FTP altogether and use sftp, so you only need to secure one daemon
00:13<k00n>or that ^^^
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00:13<|Anthony|>setting up a ftp server is a virgin voyage for me and i'll probably forgo it at the start
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00:14<k00n>i suggest SFTP over FTP any day. you can do sftp-only jails fairly easily too.
00:15<|Anthony|>i will remember that for when i am ready
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00:15<|Anthony|>ftp would make it easier for the folks to manage
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00:20<chealer>|Anthony|: I don't know SELinux, but it's a security mecanism to limit damage in case something goes wrong. if you have no special security needs, just follow basic security guidelines and avoid something going wrong in the first place.
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00:21<|Anthony|>honestly, i'd like to define acl such that folks can only access stuff in a shared folder, use the top command and just a few others
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00:22<|Anthony|>setting up ssh so that only I can get in and keeping the firewall tight is something i'm familiar with. allowing others in and keeping a tight ship is new to me
00:23<|Anthony|>so i'm kinda treading lightly on the project
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00:24<sney>and even if it turns out to be unnecessary, it's still useful knowledge to have
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00:25<|Anthony|>i'm confident that i'll be able to keep folks in just the one machine. ie prohibit them from traversing the rest of the network, but i'm not familiar with securing a single machine for multiple users
00:25<|Anthony|>agreed sney. that's kinda the point of the whole project
00:26<chealer>ext5: you never have to issue apt-get autoremove, unless you need to free disk space
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00:28<Fernand72>any help with fwbuilder anyone?
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01:01<ext5>thinkerweb, where bouts in hamilton. im in steelcity too
01:02<thinkerweb>main & sherman
01:02<thinkerweb>ext5, you?
01:03<ext5>thinkerweb, oh yea, main & wentworth
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01:04<thinkerweb>cool, howdy neighbor
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01:05<siddy>this is the niagara area night?
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01:06<ext5>thinkerweb, :)
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01:07<ext5>thinkerweb, how long have you been using debian and is it your primary os
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01:07<thinkerweb>ten years yep
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01:08<ext5>a decade eh
01:08<ext5>cool
01:09<siddy>any of you use nvidia? lol
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01:10<jm_>yes ROFFLE
01:11<siddy>I was given this computer to fix... and an upgrade messed up the xserver... well, it boots up and you're lucky to get a root shell...
01:11<siddy>I forget this stuff... grrrr
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01:12<siddy>I have a good idea what happened... the hardware is nforce 4 and geforce 6150se and nvidia doesn't support this hardware anymore with the proprietary driver so I need to either reduce it to vesa or use nouveau
01:12<thinkerweb>ext5 how about yourself
01:12<siddy>so, if I remove the nvidia stuff... it should switch to using nouveau...right?
01:13<thinkerweb>siddy, if you try to remove nvidia stuff it will probably remove all X I think
01:13<jm_>which version of nvidia driver? and legacy proprietary driver will most likely work if the regular oen doesn't
01:14<siddy>it should re-write xorg? I mean, it should load the nouveau driver?
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01:15<siddy>jm_, I have no idea... lol.... I just can't remember the commands to remove it... so far, I think there is autoremove and purge
01:16<siddy>apt-get remove nvidia-* -> would that work?
01:16<siddy>afaik, this is the main stuff here... but, I want it removed... :) -> nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-dkms, nvidia-kernel-source, xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
01:16<siddy>either I have to use a nvidia legacy driver or nouveau
01:16<thinkerweb>yeah, there is apt-get purge package-name, which will delete the config files too
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01:18<ext5>yup the i usually use apt-get purge after i remove any app to make the system more clean and lean
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01:19<thinkerweb>ext5 how about yourself, how long have you been using debian and is it your primary os
01:19<Eryn_1983_FL>they got a new standard?? ext5?
01:19<Eryn_1983_FL>wowo
01:19<siddy>apt-get purge what, though? nvidia-*?
01:20<siddy>you wouldn't believe it but I've done this before... lol
01:20<siddy>my memory is crap sometimes... well, most of the time, i guess
01:20<thinkerweb>yeah, my memory fails me too
01:21<thinkerweb>I did some video driver stuff, but I can't remember it at all
01:21<siddy>I've installed nvidia drivers both the debian and nvidia way... had to deal with driver / module conflicts that resulted in X Server being screwed up... usually being thrown to a root shell
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01:21<simonlnu>why not just run aptitude and hit / and search 'nvidia' ?
01:21<thinkerweb>siddy, whats wrong with your video and what driver?
01:21<jm_>siddy: I don't think apt-get can do nvidia-*, aptitude sure can
01:22<ext5>siddy, a short workaround is to use a wild card like "apt-get remove nvidia*"
01:22<jm_>actually apt-get can
01:22<siddy>this is on another computer... don't have it set up yet... :)
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01:22<siddy>ext5, yeah, that's what I was thinking.... smth like that
01:23<siddy>thinkerweb, someone thought it would be good to upgrade everything ... lol
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01:24<siddy>i think both nvidia and nouveau were installed or the nvidia driver was overriding nouveau
01:24<ext5>thinkerweb, ive used debian on and off in the past for about 4years. but since they have upgraded to the 3.2 kernel. thats a plus i decided to make debian the primary defacto
01:24<siddy>wait, no... i think the upgrade had just installed the nvidia driver since it wasn't installed before and so it is not supported by this hardware
01:24<thinkerweb>ext5, I am pretty sure I am still on a 2.8 kernel
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01:25<thinkerweb>ext5, oops, they skipped 2.8 I am meant 2.6, and yes, I am still running 2.6
01:26<siddy>2.6.32 is debian stable... I think
01:27<thinkerweb>ext5, for me, I was really happy about this chrome browser, I mean still use firefox for the download helper addon, but chrome is much faster and stable
01:27<ext5>thinkerweb, you got the better end of the stick, with 2.6 being stable and all. i on the other hand im using wheezy. which is going to be release in dec or jan
01:27<thinkerweb>I always run stable
01:28<ext5>thinkerweb, i hear that. i was thinking about see if i could help out with any bugs i can find.
01:28<ext5>thinkerweb, ive used chrome on windows before that i ate up my ram with like 3 different process total in 300MB
01:29<siddy>ext5, I'll be intalling wheezy soon :)
01:30<ext5>thinkerweb, atlease you can install it on vmware or virtualbox
01:31<ext5>off to bed all. punch time tomorrow
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01:36<thinkerweb>ext5, c ya
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01:42<EmleyMoor>Is iceweasel 16.0-1 "safe" or is there a security problem with it?
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01:44<siddy>I would use it
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01:44<siddy>I've used 16 and 17
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01:45<siddy>I might turn in soon
01:45<siddy>I either have to work on this computer tonight... um... I don't see that happening or get up early and do it... :-O
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01:46<siddy>I'll set it up side-by-side with this one that works...
01:47<siddy>damn nvidia and your X Server destruction
01:47<siddy>what happened to wayland server? :-/
01:48<jm_>EmleyMoor: experimental has 16.0.1-1 so it's probably missing the fix
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02:52<jm_>iceweasel 16.0.1 for i386 is already there, hopefully amd64 will show up shortly too
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03:09<TobiX>siddy: Wayland is still in development. Weston is in Debian experimental, if you want to try it... XWayland should be on its way into one of the next X releases...
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03:38<pinqvin>hello tell me
03:38<pinqvin>do I install headers or image first when installing new kernel?
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03:39<pinqvin>do I install headers or image first when installing new kernel?
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04:48<derpalicious>erm, debian Squeeze with stock kernel from repos, man, wireless-tools doesnt see my Ath9k wireless card
04:48<derpalicious>wireless tools doesnt see AR9485
04:48<derpalicious>anyone know of a fix?
04:48<themill>!AR9485
04:48<dpkg>Atheros AR9485-based wireless LAN devices (e.g. PCI ID 168c:0032) are supported by the Linux kernel as of version 2.6.39, ask me about <ath9k>.
04:48<themill>^^ that would imply you need the kernel from backports; /msg dpkg bdo kernel
04:49<derpalicious>2.6.32-5 and it sure isnt seeing it
04:49<derpalicious>oh my kernel is too old
04:49<derpalicious>see the term "backports" makes a noob think of older software
04:50<derpalicious>so, erm, Ive built my own kernels before and 9 times out of 10 they fail
04:50<derpalicious>any easy way to do it with aptitude?
04:50<nevyn>yes
04:50<derpalicious>oh /msg dpkg bdo kernel got cha
04:51<derpalicious>k its running wit aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
04:51<derpalicious>yay 3.2
04:52<derpalicious>u guise r awesome, whomever maintains this irc
04:52<derpalicious>I just had one of my silly windows users get infected with a NASTY and verulent rootkit
04:52<derpalicious>OMG
04:52<derpalicious>/tmp/tmpbXMLtd (END)
04:52<derpalicious> what do I press to exit this??
04:53<derpalicious>q ok
04:53<derpalicious>lol
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04:53<derpalicious>switchin them to debian
04:53<Slex>morning
04:53<derpalicious>morn
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05:02<derpalicious>yay I got wifi
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05:02<derpalicious>awesome, thanks
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05:52<zW>Hi :)
05:53<zW>Is there a way to block users opening a socket in linux ?
05:53<zW>I have a chrooted ssh server where people only have x amount of commands they have
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05:53<zW>but they can create a socket in php on a certain port, it is firewalled ofcourse, but is there a linux way to disable/limit that ?
05:54<jm_>zW: it is possible to certain extent using capabilities, or these days using seccomp for example
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05:55<ansgar>Or selinux. But chroots are not a security feature anyway (users can just upload their own binaries and run them).
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05:56<zW>seccomp ?
05:57<jm_>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seccomp
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06:01<zW>ah, and is that something 'stable' ? :)
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06:37<francesc>ola
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06:39<francesc_>hay alguien?
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06:44<grammoboy>any idea what this could be?
06:44<grammoboy>/opt/Funambol/bin/install
06:44<grammoboy>/opt/Funambol/tools/jre-1.5.0/jre/bin/java: 1: Syntax error: “(” unexpected
06:45<grammoboy>I did
06:45<grammoboy>apt-get install libmysql-java
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06:45<grammoboy>cp /usr/share/java/mysql-connector-java.jar /opt/Funambol/tools/jre-1.5.0/jre/
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06:45<SynrG>why does Funambol embed its own copy of java?
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06:46<SynrG>i really think you would be better off trying to get it working with Debian's java
06:46<SynrG>and in any case, supporting non-debian-java use is outside the scope of this channel
06:47<SynrG>i.e. talk to Funambol's support
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06:47<grammoboy>hm ok
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06:48<grammoboy>I did install openjdk-6-jdk openjdk-6-jre though
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06:53<grammoboy>what is the java home of openjdk?
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07:08<SynrG>grammoboy: see /usr/share/doc/openjdk-6-jre/JAVA_HOME
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07:12<hmsck>hi
07:12<hmsck>i am a newbie
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07:22<devil>we all were newbs once
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07:24<derpalicious>..
07:24<derpalicious>did someone say my name?
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07:24<derpalicious>All I heard was "newb"
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07:26<devil>:)
07:26<derpalicious>ok guise
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07:27<derpalicious>I got an issue, I got a Brother MFC-j265w printer and they only have a 32bit driver and some of my workstations are 64bit
07:27<derpalicious>Printers Wifi or USB only
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07:27<devil>then hope they have heard of multiarch before :)
07:27<derpalicious>Im thinking ill have to USB it to 32bit debian box and just use CUPS and share it
07:28<devil>that sounds like the easiest way
07:28<derpalicious>well, some hardware vendors just dont give a crap
07:28<derpalicious>me, im sick of wiping windows users behinds every time they get infected with the latest nasty rootkit
07:28<grammoboy>sed: can't read /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf: No such file or directory
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07:36<hmsck>my linux is freezing, what can i do?
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07:38<devil>hmsck: be a lot more specific. is it debian?
07:38<hmsck>ubuntu
07:38<devil>then this is the wrong chanel
07:38<devil>!ubuntuirc
07:38<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
07:38<devil>hmsck: ^
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07:39<siddy>what's the best way to remove the nivdia driver so that the nouveau is the active driver?
07:39<siddy>can only boot up to root shell
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07:40<siddy>apt-get remove nvidia-* -> this?
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07:40<siddy>sudo apt-get autoremove --purge nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig nvidia-settings -> this? will any of these commands work?
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07:42<devil>siddy: the 2nd one without autoremove will work.
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07:43<jm_>siddy: you don't even need to remove stuff, just ensure nvidia driver is not loaded by kernel/X
07:43<devil>siddy: also you need to remove the blacklisting of nouveau
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07:47<siddy>jm_, how?
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07:49<jm_>siddy: for X, see if you have a config snippet mentioning nvidia (like in /msg dpkg nvidia dkms), for kernel, you can blacklist it or just delete the module
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07:49<siddy>devil, by re-installing? every how-to is for blacklisting or disabling! ugh! :)
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07:51<devil>siddy: i dont understand. look for the blacklisting and delete it. could be in /etc/modeprobe.d/
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07:52<siddy>devil, ok, thanks... I will
07:53<siddy>gonna set up the puter in a few mins
07:57<jm_>$ dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf
07:57<jm_>nvidia-kernel-common: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf
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08:05<powerthrash>hello
08:06<powerthrash>I ve a problem with samba 3.5.6
08:06<powerthrash>got these messages in log
08:07<powerthrash>process_usershare_file: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/user failed. Permission denied
08:07<powerthrash>samba integrated into Active Directory
08:07<powerthrash>samba + winbind
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08:16<siddy>nope, not there :(
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08:18<derpalicious>debian login prompt just froze while switching users
08:18<derpalicious>blank white box staring at me for over 10 minutes
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08:19<derpalicious>gdm kernel 3.2.x
08:20<derpalicious>multiple syslog entries for "intel ips MCP Limit Exceeded"
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08:22<derpalicious>Oct 12 05:11:49 user kernel: [ 5144.424996] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg power 36318, limit 35000
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08:31<davis776>Hello, when will transmission 2.71 be available in experimental?
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08:43<daemonkeeper>davis776: Such questions only the respective maintainers can answer.
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09:50<ryao>Is there a way that I could quickly view list of the patches being applied to Debian's kernel? http://packages.debian.org/testing/kernel/linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64
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09:55<derpalicious>HEY!
09:55<derpalicious>deviant:/var/www/obama-sucks-balls.com# aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`»
09:55<derpalicious>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-686»"
09:55<derpalicious>no kernel for me???
09:55<derpalicious>baww
09:56<ryao>Is this the debian development channel?
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09:56<roughnecks>ryao: Debian support channel
09:56<ryao>I just found the official list. I want #debian-devel.
09:57<ryao>roughnecks: Thanks.
09:57<roughnecks>:)
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10:00<ubuntu-studio_>hello hola
10:00<ubuntu-studio_>#ubuntu-es
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10:11<gkscal>can't aktivate glx, can anybody help?
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11:10<powerthrash>Hello
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11:11<powerthrash>Could anyone help me with Samba ?
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11:14<babilen>powerthrash: Your problem has been solved. Thanks for your interest in #debian service. If you need further help do not hesitate to read "/msg dpkg ask" and "/msg dpkg anyone".
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11:15<babilen>powerthrash: I would suggest to just ask your question or head over to #samba on irc.freenode.net if it is *not* a Debian related problem.
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13:36<Samkov>does anyone have any knowledge of vpn providers? I found a free one that looks pretty promising but I dont feel that knowledgeable about vpns in general, how do I know that it is safe? I am speaking of vpnbook.com, any thoughts?
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14:04<ced>How to ssh out of company network. Default port 22 is ok. The Server requires connection to port 2222
14:05<roughnecks>-p port
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14:22<clerk>I am having difficulty enabling synaptics touchpad on my 8 year old dell laptop
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14:24<frauundcomputer>gutend abend
14:24<frauundcomputer>jemand da und kann bei miniproblem helfen?
14:24<frauundcomputer>iceweasel klemmt will kill aber es geht nicht
14:24<frauundcomputer>wie kann ich task beenden?
14:24<frauundcomputer>pidof gedit zeigt tasknummer ok
14:24<frauundcomputer>pidof iceweasel zeigt keine pid
14:26<clerk>I added the xorg.conf.d directory to /etc/x11 and edited the 50-synaptics.conf file
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14:26<frauundcomputer>danke habe taskmanager genommen und gekillt sorry für störung
14:26<bike>Hey, i have a problem, i get a buffer underrun when doing audio playback in audacious and the likes, it was so bad that certain kernels crashed, problem is , this laptop is so picky the debian 3.2.x kernel would not boot, something with pci hotplug, it is a hp dv6 , anyway, the ubuntu 3.2.x booted, i used this for a while, but even there the problem with playback persisted , on a kernel.org 3.2.30 the problem is not as bad, i still get underr
14:26<bike>uns , im now on 3.6.1. where the machine crawls to a halt when the problem occurs
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14:30<bike>the problem seems to occur on certain mp3's as well, i noticed with 128 kbps especially
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14:31<rhollan>anyone have experience with debian installation preseed files?
14:32<rhollan>trying to use the SAME value in different places, but first obtained interactively
14:32<rhollan>krb5-config servers should be derived from netcfg/get_domain, for example
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14:35<rhollan>anyone have preseed experience?
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14:38<cinch>bike, .
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14:39<cinch>bike, you're listing like 10x problems at once :o
14:40<cinch>bike, sounds like a alsa driver issue
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14:40<cinch>bike, but it all depends :>
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14:41<bike>cinch, heh, found an alsa buffer size value in audacious just now, a configuration suggested increasing a buffer in the kernel to 2048, tried the same in audacious now
14:42<cinch>bike, try with a different audio player
14:42<cinch>in particular, use a "raw" alsa player
14:42<cinch>like mpd
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14:42<cinch>bike, what kernel buffer? never heard of that
14:42<bike>donno, the problem seemed to occur randomly, after some time of playback , going to keep my eye on it atleast, problem is i like audacious !
14:43<bike>hang on, i'll find the thinie
14:43<bike>thingie
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14:43<bike>cant remember it now,
14:43<cinch>thx
14:43<cinch>take your time
14:43<cinch>audio needs patience :>
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14:43<bike>CONFIG_SND_HDA_PREALLOC_SIZE=2048
14:43<cinch>bike, in general, the buffer sizes should work out of the box
14:44<cinch>could be anything like CPU spikes or crappy driver too you know
14:44<cinch>what sound card?
14:45<cinch>why is sid affected from the wheezy freeze?
14:45<bike> Intel Corporation Cougar Point High Definition Audio Controller
14:45<cinch>i hate waiting :p
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14:46<bike>i think its something with this hp laptop, it works great in all respects mad fast little bugger
14:46<cinch>idk
14:46<cinch>which alsa driver?
14:46<bike>hda intel
14:47<cinch>lsmod | grep snd
14:47<SynrG>there are so many different variants of that
14:47<bike>snd_hda_intel
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14:47<cinch>k
14:47<cinch>no idea
14:47<cinch>try a different audio player :>
14:47<cinch>because they vary greatly
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14:48<SynrG>grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec#0
14:48<bike>hehe, yeah, will try that
14:48<cinch>ive had probs with audacious myself
14:48<bike>Codec: IDT 92HD81B1X5
14:48<cinch>screw the code :>
14:48<SynrG>and then within codec, there are often different models.
14:48<cinch>codec*
14:48<bike>ah i see
14:48<SynrG>kernel docs contain a list
14:49<SynrG>grouped by codec, with models listed beneath.
14:49<SynrG>default should be 'auto' which should autodetect your model and then configure it properly.
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14:49<ratcheer>I need to try sound on my new Debian installation...
14:50<SynrG>but my experience with the debian-eeepc project was that every new eeepc model had a slightly different variant and if your kernel/alsa wasn't up-to-date, funny quirks could creep in if the kernel support for your particular variant wasn't there yet
14:50<cinch>imho get an external usb audio interface
14:50<cinch><- wasted too much time with sound cards
14:50<cinch>and firewire o.o
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14:51<cinch>+ all integrated audio cards suck
14:51<SynrG>*sometimes* you could fake out the kernel by forcing modprobe snd_hda_intel model=# (some model that is almost but not quite the same as yours)
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14:51<cinch>in terms of audio quality
14:51<SynrG>ymmv
14:51<SynrG>but this is typically to fix things like "there's no channel for ____"
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14:51<SynrG>or "i have this channel but it's only mono!"
14:51<hulk>hola
14:51<SynrG>or "mic doesn't work at all"
14:52<cinch>http://nwavguy.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/odac-released.html
14:52<cinch>^^
14:52<cinch>cheap high quality DAC
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14:52<bike>SynrG, hehe, had such a problem with my GF's thinkpad also
14:52<cinch>we need more of these :>
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14:53<bike>anyway, i'll be back if i find more or a solution , cheers!
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14:54<cinch>typical
14:54<cinch>random sound chip with crappy audio
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15:50<Natiruts>hello
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15:54<retrospectacus>hi
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15:59<claw__>how can i find out when syslinux 4.05+dfsg-3 was published ?
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16:11<ompaul>claw__: why is that interesting?
16:11<ompaul>,versions syslinux
16:11<judd>Package: syslinux on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.71+dfsg-5; lenny-backports: 2:4.02+dfsg-7~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:4.02+dfsg-7; squeeze-backports: 2:4.05+dfsg-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2:4.05+dfsg-6; wheezy: 2:4.05+dfsg-6
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16:14<ompaul>claw__: it looks like you should dist-upgrade
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16:20<claw__>ompaul, because the ubuntu guys did not fixed a bug in it yet
16:20<claw__>which seams to be fixed since 8th May or earlier
16:21<claw__>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=663302
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16:21<claw__>its in their current lts that pxechain.com is missing
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16:22<claw__>but they say they are to busy to fix it because the are providing new features to a not yet released version of ubuntu
16:22<claw__>and this is irresponseable
16:23<ompaul>claw__: and why is that interesting here?
16:23<claw__>because i want to expect the time past between today and the fix
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16:24<ompaul>http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/syslinux/news/20120508T145723Z.html
16:24<ompaul>claw__: install debian and get on with it
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16:25<claw__>i would if that server would be mine
16:25<ompaul>you can on the other hand type syslinux into amazon and get http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=syslinux back ;-)
16:25*ompaul couldn't resist the cheap jibe
16:25<claw__> :D
16:26<claw__>im not an ubuntu user so dont try to fool me with that stupid lenses
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16:27<claw__>apt-get install postfix \n Want to set up postfix? Learn how by books on Amazon!
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16:27*ompaul thinks we should leave the problems to the problem owners
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16:38<project2501b>guys, someone should take a look at the openmpi-bin package . #626164 says that SGE support was built in, but i just upgraded to the same version that the resolution mentions (1.4.5-1) and still no SGE supoprt
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16:39<cyberFuntik>привет с марса
16:39<project2501b>!russian
16:39<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
16:40<cyberFuntik>hello from the hell!
16:40<project2501b>Moscow is not that bad.
16:40<cyberFuntik>you sure? )
16:42<project2501b>I live in saudi arabia. we have no vodka, tawarich
16:42<cyberFuntik>I'm like vodka )
16:43<cyberFuntik>I'm like Debian kFreeBDS )
16:43<MrFrood>project2501b: drive over the causway to bahrain then (heads back to ot)
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16:58<project2501b>hey guys, can i get some help, please? if this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626164 says that my issue is fixed in 2011, doesn't that mean that it should have rolled into testing already?
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17:02<retrospectacus>,v openmpi-bin
17:02<judd>Package: openmpi-bin on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.7~rc2-2; squeeze: 1.4.2-4; sid: 1.4.5-1; wheezy: 1.4.5-1
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17:05<retrospectacus>,v libopenmpi2
17:05<judd>No package named 'libopenmpi2' was found in i386.
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17:06<retrospectacus>project2501b: looks like it was fixed in v.1.5.4 which is not in debian yet
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17:09<project2501b>retrospectacus: it is in testing.
17:09<project2501b>i am running it as we speak
17:10<project2501b>1 got 1.5.4-1 but no such file in the archive
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17:10<retrospectacus>I'm seeing 1.4.5 in testing
17:10<project2501b>and i run testing. but no such file in that package.
17:11<project2501b>it's in sid, though
17:11<project2501b>well libopenmpi1.6
17:12<project2501b>http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libopenmpi-dev/filelist see? no ras_sge
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17:14<project2501b>does that mean that i should re-open the ticket?
17:14<retrospectacus>according to the bug report that is fixed in 1.5.4; I don't see that version of any of those packages in debian
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17:15<project2501b>retrospectacus: maybe i got this wrong, but i thought that the package version is most of the times the packaged software version. am i wrong?
17:16<me5440>I'm not sure what is wrong... I upgraded iceweasel but there's an add-on I never installed now
17:16<me5440>any way to remove it?
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17:16<me5440>iceweasel 10 -> 16.0.1
17:17<project2501b>me5440: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-or-remove-add-ons
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17:17<me5440>also, adblock plus was added automatically at start up but there's no remove option...strange... is this typical?
17:18<retrospectacus>project2501b: I'm just not sure how you "got 1.5.4-1"
17:18<project2501b>apt-get install openmpi-bin works.
17:18<project2501b>you can also get openmpi-checkpoint, if you need checkpointing
17:18<project2501b>slow, thought
17:18<retrospectacus>even sid only has 1.4.5
17:18<me5440>there's no remove button ...geez
17:19<project2501b>retrospectacus: you should be looking at libopenmpi1.6 in sid
17:19<me5440>must be a bug in iceweasel 16?
17:19<project2501b>(which has support for the sun grid engine)
17:21<me5440>where's the xpi file (folder)?
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17:42<nutron>The wheezy installer is easily dd'ed to a usb key no? I've tried it with 3 different usb drives and each boot fails saying that the initrd is invalid, please insert "disk" and press enter.
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17:43<nutron>Oh and this happens with the beta and nightly builds.
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17:51<me5440>nutron, I copied the beta2 debian netinstall to usb drive.... installed it and on it now
17:51<nutron>grr wth...
17:52<me5440>I hear ya, though... I wish debian had good instructions for it
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17:52<nutron>maybe both images I downloaded are corrupt...?
17:52<me5440>did you check the md5sum?
17:52<nutron>nein...
17:52<nutron>will do
17:52<me5440>do you have the right parameters when you do the command?
17:53<nutron>dd if=debian-net-installer.iso of=/dev/sde
17:53<nutron>pardon me: add sudo to the beginning of that line.
17:54<nutron>Also run sync after it runs to ensure I can remove the drive... 3 different drives. It's not the computer since it boots fine, and starts a grml usb stick no problem... I'm just assuming I got some bad data then.
17:54<me5440># dd if=debian-net-installer.iso of=/dev/sdx ..yeah
17:55<me5440>it's unmounted, right?
17:55<me5440>also, I always format it beforehand... dunno if it matters but I think it should be FAT32
17:56<me5440>I use gparted
17:56<me5440>I assume you did those
17:56<me5440>so, yeah, could be the download... smth happened? need to do the md5sum check
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17:58<me5440>can anyone help me locate the xpi file and folder that corresponds to a particular mozilla extension ID?
17:58<me5440>i thought it'd be in .mozilla ???? :-/
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18:09<me5440>i know the id but it's impossible to search for this?
18:09<me5440>even in windows, one can
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18:19<nutron>well it doesn't need a partition technically since it will define its own from the image, at least that's how it has worked for me in the past.
18:19<nutron>Yeah not mounted either.
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18:51<me5440>gonna re-install ... this is bs
18:52<me5440>i hope debian will switch default DE soon... gnome 3 is a piece of shit
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18:54<me5440>gnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is
18:54<me5440> shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnom
18:54<me5440>e3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shi
18:54<me5440>tgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shitgnome3 is shit
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18:55<MrFrood>!ops me5440
18:55<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: mrfrood complains about: me5440
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19:07<pieb>yo ppl
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19:09<MrFrood>you have a question?
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19:09<pieb>No not really, just testing xChat on my raspberry pi.
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19:10<MrFrood>probably best to test in offtopic ;)
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19:26<OptimusAnal>hay guise, I have a printer Im trying to install on 64bit squeeze box wit 3.2.x kernel, and Brother, the printer manufacturer only offers a 32bit deb for the driver,
19:26<OptimusAnal>Is there anyway to install a 32bit printer driver on a 64bit debian install?
19:27<siddy>what is the printer model?
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19:27<OptimusAnal>MFC-J265w
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19:27<OptimusAnal>I tried to use the Gnome printer installer but its not in the list of available drivers
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19:28<Roger72>I'm trying to configure iptables with fwbuilder to allow VPN but there's a problem when I use tun0 as an interface if anyone knows how to setup this would be nice
19:28<OptimusAnal>I would just run a cat5 over to it and share it from a 32bit debian box, but its wifi an usb only
19:29<OptimusAnal>and Im lazy, guess I can physically attach it to a 32bit system
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19:34<siddy>i dunno... i noticed an ubuntu driver 64-bit
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19:40<OptimusAnal>u did?
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19:43<MrFrood> http://www.openprinting.org/printers/
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19:59<OptimusAnal>Question, I have a printer that is connected to one of my 32bit debian systems, and there is no 64bit driver for it so I can connect my 64bit debian systems directly to the printer, can I somehow print from the 64bit boxes through the 32bit boxes via a shared printer? and if so, which ports are required to be opened?
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20:08<OptimusAnal>YAY!
20:08<OptimusAnal>I just shared the printer on the 32bit system with CUPS, and the 64bit system is printing away!
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20:23<jonas_>Good night! someone could tell me why I can not install ia32-libs in debian Wheezy for "lack of facilities"?
20:23<jonas_>I was trying to install Wine and Skype, but it still fails. The method multiarch did not work with any of them
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20:24<retrospectacus>!tell jonas_ about multiarch
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21:18<cindyasarisuratno>heello
21:18<cindyasarisuratno>any body?>
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21:19<dvs>zzzzzzzzzz
21:19<dvs>!ask
21:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:59<debman>Hello again! faithfully follow the Debian wiki for use in multiarch installation of Skype and it did not work. I'm using Debian Wheezy AMD64 and I can not install any application that requires the libraries ia32-libs because they are with broken dependencies for being replaced by multiarch support this version. Anyone have any idea what to do? I'm trying everything I can for days!
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22:07<debman>Hello again! faithfully follow the Debian wiki for use in multiarch installation of Skype and it did not work. I'm using Debian Wheezy AMD64 and I can not install any application that requires the libraries ia32-libs because they are with broken dependencies for being replaced by multiarch support this version. Anyone have any idea what to do? I'm trying everything I can for days!
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22:12<debman>HELP-ME! I NEED WORK!
22:12<debman>Hello again! faithfully follow the Debian wiki for use in multiarch installation of Skype and it did not work. I'm using Debian Wheezy AMD64 and I can not install any application that requires the libraries ia32-libs because they are with broken dependencies for being replaced by multiarch support this version. Anyone have any idea what to do? I'm trying everything I can for days!
22:13<Analingus>Skype is evil
22:13<Analingus>do not use it
22:14<Analingus>Unless you enjoy having microsoft and the entire USG listening to your calls, not to mention risking getting a USG CPAV Trojan forced down your throat
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22:15<debman>Analyngus Yes, the problem is that some of my contacts use it also estout endo problem with ALL programs that would use ia32-libs ... you recommend me some voip alternative to Skype?
22:16<Analingus>mmm thats what the world needs
22:16<Analingus>indeed
22:18<debman>Microsoft for its part, does not seek to make things easier when it comes to compatibility with Linux ...
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22:20<debman>I'm using the site imo.im to use Skype and other (simultaneamente!). I only used Skype as a reference to help describe a problem I'm having with various programs, including WIne.
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23:16<siddy>why is it taking forever to download an .iso? :(
23:17<Analingus>because your internet sucks?
23:18<Analingus>rogers cable, yeah it sucks
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23:19<siddy>and you know this, how?
23:20<Analingus>because I am omnimpotent
23:20<|Anthony|>I'm in the process of installing debian wheezy with the beta 1 installer. I selected erase and setup encrypted lvm about 2 hours ago. It's still erasing an 80GB drive. What gives?
23:21<Analingus>have your checked the health of the drive using the manufacturers diagnostics utilities?
23:21<Analingus>Its an old disk, might have issues
23:21<Analingus>WesterDigital=Use Data LifeGuard tools, Seagate, Use Seatools
23:22<Analingus>IBM=use IBM DFT
23:22<|Anthony|>haven't recently, but the machine has been on the shelf for about 3 months and SMART was fine when i put it to bed
23:22<Analingus>or you could use any generic tool to simply check the smart status of the disk
23:22<Analingus>yeah
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23:22<Analingus>When in doubt, check the disk with diagnostics
23:22<Analingus>dont just check smart, use the manu utils
23:22<|Anthony|>does the installer do a urandom fill for it erase function?
23:23<Analingus>no idea, also there likely is a superior linux solution for these diagnostics tools
23:23<Analingus>Usually when I have a bad disk and dont know it, coz I was being lazy and didnt test the disk, it gets stuck around 33% for a long ass time then fail
23:24<|Anthony|>i could understand the time if it is a urandom fill, but simply deleting the table should be done before i hit "continue"
23:24<|Anthony|>lol
23:24<Analingus>yeah the disk prolly has issues
23:24<Analingus>how old is the box?
23:24<|Anthony|>mmm
23:24<Analingus>PIII or older might need to make sure LBA mode is enabled in the bios
23:24<|Anthony|>its a sata drive
23:24<Analingus>and make sure your not using....the wrong pata cable, ok that rules that out
23:25<|Anthony|>i forget when i bought this one in particular
23:25<Analingus>yeah check bios and make sure the SATA controller is in AHCI mode
23:25<|Anthony|>i'm sure it is
23:25<Analingus>yeah test it
23:25<Analingus>once it passes a diag from the manufacturer then you can rule that out
23:25<|Anthony|>just re-purposing an existing build
23:25<Analingus>hey man
23:26<|Anthony|>i suppose i should
23:26<Analingus>Im using synergy with two old laptops. PIII and P4 with a p4 webserver
23:26<|Anthony|>ha
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23:26<Analingus>they do just find for administering a small network
23:26<Analingus>fine
23:26<Analingus>Besides, old iron has character
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23:27<Analingus>supposing these little things get a bit of soul with age
23:27<Analingus>just replace the caps from time to time and your ok
23:27<|Anthony|>lappys make great re-purposed servers
23:27<|Anthony|>sometimes
23:27<Analingus>netbooks with smashed lcds are great squid boxes to stash into your network gear
23:27<|Anthony|>if you put them in something NOT a laptop enclosure
23:28<|Anthony|>little breathing room helps loads
23:28<Analingus>Oh I buy Media enclosures from home depot, installed them embedded in the sheetrock
23:28<Analingus>cat5 running in all the walls
23:28<|Anthony|>home depot?
23:28<Analingus>kinda nice to NOT see my routers/switches/squidbox
23:28<Analingus>yeah lemme pm you a link
23:28<Analingus>u gotta get one of these installed
23:28<|Anthony|>yeah a link is nice
23:28<Analingus>sec
23:29<|Anthony|>meh, all my shiz is in the basement.
23:29<|Anthony|>pfsense firewall, and a multiseat rig running my desktop and an xbmc session to the living room
23:30<Analingus>http://www.homedepot.com/buy/leviton-structured-media-14-in-telecommunication-enclosure-with-cover-r02-47605-140.html#.UHjgEcytWxQ watch the videos
23:31<Analingus>pfsense is trivial and fun to tinker with
23:31<|Anthony|>shoot, $35. i'm in
23:31<Analingus>has some neato features, IMspector is a fun way to intercept instant messaging
23:31<Analingus>but, I dont like BSD
23:31<|Anthony|>heh
23:31<Analingus>squid on pfsense sucks
23:31<Analingus>id rather run it on debian so I have full control
23:32<|Anthony|>trivial? yeah, if you leave it as is
23:32<Analingus>well, if I was good with BSD I might have been able to bend it to my will a bit more
23:32<|Anthony|>lol
23:32<Analingus>but Ive sinced learned how to use ipfilters and standalone squid
23:32<Analingus>I do like freenas tho
23:33<|Anthony|>snort and HAVP run on pfsense
23:33<|Anthony|>like that
23:33<Analingus>yeah Ive used that inline av before
23:33<Analingus>only issue is if you dont have super fast internet, your workstations take forever waiting for the serve to download/scan,= annoyed users
23:33<|Anthony|>also nice is to use... wtf are they calling it now... pfblocker or something.
23:33<|Anthony|>basically dansguardian
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23:36<Analingus>never heard of it
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23:36<Analingus>I do use squid3 proxy on my lan to filter traffic tho
23:36<|Anthony|>http://speedtest.net/result/2232206100.png
23:36<Analingus>Build my own custom blacklists based on publicly available ones
23:36<|Anthony|>;)
23:37<Analingus>gotta protect kids from the porno, and the silly windows users from chinese/russian malware
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23:37<Analingus>btw that media enclosure, comes with a nice white cover that makes it all flush with the wall
23:37<|Anthony|>saw that
23:37<Analingus>one version has a hinged door, and another has a screwed down cover
23:37<Analingus>they cost the same
23:38<Analingus>and hope depot usually has three sizes in stock
23:38<Analingus>diff price for each larger box
23:38<Analingus>NICE speed, that you?
23:38<Analingus>oh well, FIOS, of course
23:39<|Anthony|>sure is
23:39<|Anthony|>for $100/mth it better be rocket fast
23:39<Analingus>also home depot has a nice exterior waterproof enclosure I found useful for exterior POE device mounting
23:39<Analingus>got a mikrotik out there now
23:39<Analingus>failover to my nieghbor
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23:40<Analingus>if his internet goes down, he routes through me
23:40<|Anthony|>share with the neighbor
23:40<Analingus>if mine goes down, I route through him
23:40<|Anthony|>lol
23:40<Analingus>ECMP with OSPF
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23:41<|Anthony|>could you guys bridge your connections?
23:44<|Anthony|>like instead of it being a failover , aggregate the bandwidth
23:45<|Anthony|>that's not entirely possible though now is it
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23:57<siddy>how do you upgrade the kernel from 3.2 to 3.5? have to use experimental?
23:57<Analingus>well I use routes to go between
23:57<Analingus>no idea prolly aint gunna get 3.5 from backports tho
23:57<Analingus>lol
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