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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-10-16

---Logopened Tue Oct 16 00:00:46 2012
00:02<skedtyu>is HDMI not fully supported yet?
00:02<skedtyu>is HDMI audio*not fully supported yet?
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00:13<skedtyu>anyone got any ideas?
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00:21<trevor>#debian-perl
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00:33<MTecknology>hrm.... so it seems like it's picking 1024x768 but it should probably be 1152x864
00:34<MTecknology>xrandr isn't seeing that the correct size is even an option....
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00:40<xmb>yo
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02:01<backbox>xads
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02:30<rupert>hello
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02:53<fix>hi
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04:22<chaos>hey every1
04:22<chaos>how do i use a passphrase for my debian root fs i have saved on a thumb drive during debian install?
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04:43<floyd__>Hi! I'm having trouble getting clAmdBlas to work with Octave. Does anyone have any experience using clAmdBlas?
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04:44<willem>does anyone know where deepak (gnumonk) lives on irc?
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06:42<yuri->need to use libs from krb5 and heimdal; so im using krb5-multidev and heimdal-multidev; however, dependencies result in having two diff libkrb5.so libs in /usr/lib
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06:48<fxfx>hello there, looking for some help regarding the vacation package
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06:49<fxfx>anyone?
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06:50<jm_>!ask
06:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:52<fix>I told you Im not a tranny anymore you jerk!
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06:53<fix>whoops wrong irc
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06:58<uju>I've installed kernel 3.6.2 on debian squeeze and just working well now any one more experienced
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07:00<pajaro>what does the dot means in this ls -l? --> -rw-r--r--.
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07:03<jm_>pajaro: ACL presence
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07:03<jm_>or SELinux securiy context to be precise
07:04<fxfx>ok, I'm running postfix with vacation[/b] package as autoresponder, the autoresponse works, but the problem is that i need set some list of email adresses which i want to not to get the autoresponse message. I readed manual and it looks that parameter -x serves for that but i cant get it to work. How exactly the parameter should be set? in the .forward file? and how to set the list? as a separate text file or?
07:04<pajaro>thank you jm_ :>
07:04<jm_>pajaro: no worries
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07:05<jm_>fxfx: -x is supposed to read from stdin, is it not?
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07:08<fxfx>sorry, i'm a beginner, what does it exactly mean? should i just write vacation command to command line with parameter x and then write addresses which i want to exclude?
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07:10<jm_>no, it needs to read them from stdin - why not simply use ackmail.rc from procmail-lib? it has NOACKFILE/NOACKS settings for this purpose
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07:17<tdullien>good day
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07:18<tdullien>I fear I have fumbled up something in my package management; I am trying to install openssh-server and aptitude tells me that "openssh-server: Depends: openssh-client (= 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze2) but 1:6.0p1-2 is installed"
07:18<tdullien>so somehow I must have accidentally upgraded openssh-client to a newer version than the one the server package depends upon
07:19<fix>lol
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07:19<tdullien>is there an elegant/easy way to fix it ?
07:19<themill>Sounds like you have a mixture of squeeze and wheezy/sid there. never a good plan
07:19<themill>dpkg: tell tdullien about unixing
07:19<fix>well
07:19<themill>dpkg: tell tdullien about unmixing
07:19<tdullien>thx
07:19<fix>U could set your sources.list up properly for your os
07:19<fix>then apt-get purge openssh
07:19<fix>and reinstall
07:20<tdullien>or upgrade the entire box to testing, right ?
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07:21<tdullien>I ran into this mixture because IIRC I upgraded the kernel to fix issues with the wacom cintiq tablet I am using
07:21<tdullien>ok
07:21<themill>tdullien: first of all remove wheezy/sid from your sources.list and then "/msg dpkg not available" to work out just how many packages you have from a wheezy.
07:21<themill>(or just upgrade to testing if you're comfortable with that0
07:22<tdullien>so the sources.list does not contain any wheezy or sid now
07:22<tdullien>ok
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07:22<tdullien>I will try to follow the msg dpkg advice
07:22<tdullien>thanks ! :)
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07:23<tdullien>uh wow ... ok, the wheezy packages are x server packages that I needed to get the tablet working properly. I guess the proper way forward is in this case upgrading to testing
07:23<tdullien>and living with it
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07:24<themill>wheezy is in pretty good shape now and is frozen. it shouldn't be a particularly bumpy ride from now on
07:24<jm_>just make sure to not refer to it as "testing" in sources.list
07:24<harshad>does debian have binary deb file for php-hiphop?
07:25<tdullien>ok
07:25<ectospasm>tdullien: that's what I'd do... if you have newish hardware, squeeze is going not going to support it going forward.
07:25<tdullien>so to upgrade, I change my sources list to use wheezy instead of squeeze ?
07:25<ectospasm>tdullien: yup!
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07:25<tdullien>and then just update / upgrade ?
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07:26<roughnecks>tdullien: read the release notes
07:26<tdullien>ok
07:26<tdullien>will do
07:26<tdullien>thx
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07:36<fxfx>jm_: Thanks it works now...
07:37<jm_>fxfx: no worries
07:40<fix>stealin mah thunder?
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07:48<yuri->krb5-multidev and heimdal-multidev should both work fine; so why they add different libkrb5.so libs?
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07:49<yuri->further info: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=86300
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08:02<anubis>Hello, what do i have to do so that if i open a new tab in bash, the new ones current working dir is the same as is has been in the tab before and not the home-folder?
08:03<themill>anubis: that depends on your terminal emulator; konsole does that for you if you configure it to
08:03<anubis>where do i have to configure it?
08:04<themill>Settings → Configure current profile → General → Start in same directory as current tab
08:05<anubis>ahh thx, just found it. i was looking in the subshell tab first =(. thx
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08:16<Fabri>Hola
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08:16<tziOm>I am struggeling with reprepo, how can I have different distributions there? it keeps complaining about already existing files, since it seems to place everything in pool (for every dist)
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08:18<themill>tziOm: you need to list the distribution in conf/distributions
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08:18<tziOm>I have
08:18<niels3>maybe his distributions have clashing package names + package versions
08:19<tziOm>point is for both squeeze and wheezy it exists a package named foo_52 yes
08:19<tziOm>clashing package names
08:19<tziOm>thats the problem for sure
08:19<themill>same package name in different distributions isn't a problem.
08:19<tziOm>it seems to be with reprepro, since it uses same "pool" directory
08:20<niels3>but the same versions might
08:20<themill>no, pool doesn't stop you having the same package in more than one release
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08:20<tziOm>yes
08:20<tziOm>it does
08:21<tziOm>if it has the same name, it cant be in the same pool, thats for sure
08:21<niels3>well, he was talking about distributions. i didn't interpret that as releases
08:21<themill>no. look in the pool structure
08:21<tziOm>so that is a problem with sharing pool between distributions
08:22<tziOm>any way I can set pooldir per distribution?
08:22<Patagonicus>How do I add a new iptables chain using iptables-apply? Just -N chainname?
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08:22<themill>tziOm: the pool contains package_version_arch.deb -- you can have package in multiple distributions without an issue.
08:23<tziOm>yes, but not dist
08:23*themill does this on several reprepro instances
08:23<tziOm>so if version and arch is same, but dist is not -- proble,m
08:23<themill>real output from a real command and a directory listing would be handy
08:23<themill>otherwise we're going to spend all day saying "yes it does" "no it doesn't"
08:23<tziOm>reprepro includedeb wheezy /root/wheezy/*.deb
08:24<tziOm>Skipping inclusion of 'radosgw-dbg' '0.52-1' in 'wheezy|main|amd64', as it has already '0.52-1'.
08:24<tziOm>ERROR: '/root/wheezy/rest-bench_0.52-1_amd64.deb' cannot be included as 'pool/main/c/ceph/rest-bench_0.52-1_amd64.deb'.
08:24<tziOm>Already existing files can only be included again, if they are the same, but:
08:24<tziOm>...
08:24<tziOm>the allready has is the squeeze version
08:24<themill>tziOm: ahh... (package,version) must be unique to the contents of the pakcage
08:24<tziOm>I would call that a bug
08:24<themill>or rather no (package,version,arch)
08:25<themill>no, this is by design. apt expects that, dpkg expects that, the debian archive expects that, users expect that.
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08:25<themill>rest-bench version 0.52-1 for amd64 should *uniquely* identify that package.
08:26<tziOm>themill - huh
08:26<tziOm>it does
08:26<themill>it apparently does not.
08:26<tziOm>its rest-bench version 0.52-1
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08:27<themill>what does «md5sum ...squeeze/rest-bench_0.52-1_amd64.deb ...wheezy/rest-bench_0.52-1_amd64.deb» say about the two .debs
08:27<tziOm>So I just forced it in a different section
08:28<tziOm>e28657f5219e03679008b9a90c27e647 incoming/rest-bench_0.52-1_amd64.deb
08:28<tziOm>d8282561ea2fe067864896c5e4b71b7c /root/wheezy/rest-bench_0.52-1_amd64.deb
08:28<themill>[13:25] <themill> rest-bench version 0.52-1 for amd64 should *uniquely* identify that package.
08:28<tziOm>incoming is squeeze then
08:28<themill>they are different ... that's not very unique
08:28<tziOm>I think that is bullshit anyway
08:28<tziOm>the sourcepackages are same
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08:29<themill>so? they're compiled against different libraries then?
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08:29<themill>they are either the same (and have the same contents, md5, version, etc) or they are not.
08:29<tziOm>yes
08:29<themill>so they should not have the same version number
08:29<tziOm>but this is upstream git version 0.52_1
08:30<themill>calling the squeeze package "0.52-1~squeeze1" would be the normal approach to this and that way your users are also able to upgrade to wheezy later on without problems
08:31<themill>(planning upgrade paths is good too)
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08:33<niels3>even compiling them against the same libraries might yield byte-by-byte different files, if some tools include the build date in the binary (i think gcc does that). and packaging might yield different archives when the modification dates are different, too
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08:42<tziOm>where can I get python-setuptools-git for wheezy?
08:45<themill>You can probably just pull the sid version into wheezy at this stage; give it a few more months and you would be better off rebuilding the package to ensure that it works with wheezy (/msg dpkg ssb)
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08:57<tziOm>themill, should I usse wheezy or sig?
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08:58<tziOm>ls
08:59<themill>that depends on what you want to achieve. Wheezy is going to be a lot less problematic than sid for you... it's no longer really a moving target and doesn't require a good knowledge of debian packaging to cope with.
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09:07<lduros>hi, I have a hard drive that has a Windows partition, and when I copy a directory that contains files with different permissions (group write, group execute, etc), all these permissions are lost
09:07<lduros>is there a way to get around this?
09:09<tziOm>get rid of the cancer
09:09<eightyeight>according to cp(1), -p will preserve permissions
09:10<lduros>eightyeight: hmmm, so I should use -p then. Any idea if I compile something using gcc/make on an NTFS partition, if it will have potential permission issues as well?
09:10<niels3>i don't think that's the problem here. ntfs has a completely different way to store permissions. with ntfs-3g you can set up a user mapping
09:11<lduros>hmm, ok
09:11<niels3>that was referring to the "-p" thing
09:11<eightyeight>well, are we copying files to the NTFS filesystem, or from it?
09:12<niels3>you will always lose some kind of permission information when using ntfs partitions under linux. you can minimize the effect by setting up a user mapping
09:12<eightyeight>i'm assuming the latter
09:12<lduros>hmm
09:12<lduros>ok
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09:12<lduros>copying files TO the NTFS filesystem
09:12<lduros>from an ext4 partition to the NTFS partition
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09:12<eightyeight>i see
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09:13<Guest1918>Hi. I am trying to configure MariaDB + PAM on Squeeze but I run into errors such as: pam_winbind(mysql:auth): request wbcLogonUser failed: WBC_ERR_AUTH_ERROR, PAM error: PAM_SYSTEM_ERR (4), NTSTATUS: NT_STATUS_INVALID_HANDLE, Error message was: Invalid handle
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09:15<Guest1918>PAM module is enabled in mariadb and also I created a default /etc/pam.d/mysql file
09:15<Guest1918>any pointers appreciated
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09:29<SynrG>Guest1918: seems to have to do with samba
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09:31<SynrG>i.e. is something more than *just* a mariadb + pam problem.
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09:33<Guest1918>SynrG: samba works fine
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09:33<SynrG>Guest1918: your error messages relate to samba, however
09:33<Guest1918>samba + ssh + remote windows machines + dovecot all use PAM and work fine
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09:34<Guest1918>(samba as in cli as well as the remote pwd from win machines)
09:34<SynrG>still, your error messages are samba-related. pam_winbind ... nt_status_invalid_handle
09:34<SynrG>just an observation
09:34<SynrG>you did ask for "pointers"
09:35<Guest1918>yes. Correct. But these do not show up when I auth with dovecot for instance. All the services should auth against the system
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09:36<SynrG>so are they just appearing because the auth details fall back to checking samba when all else fails, i wonder?
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09:36<SynrG>or is it really trying to involve samba in a way that cannot work?
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09:38<Guest1918>even weird that samba is used instead of the system accounts to auth against
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09:38<Guest1918>https://kb.askmonty.org/en/pam-authentication-plugin/ <--- that is what I used
09:39<Guest1918>I did not force a specific PAM module to be used though. Could have a try with that, but this should have worked ok imho
09:40<SynrG>if you don't, in fact, use samba to auth users, you could try disabling that. might make debugging simpler.
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09:54<Guest1918>hmm. It seems that when unix_pam fails a retry is done with winbind_pam which is odd as unix_pam should be fine
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09:59<zW>Hi. Why is debian squeeze ignoring limits.conf ?
10:00<Calinou>does the testing debian installer support UEFI BIOSes/GPT partitioning?
10:00<zW>While pam_limits.so is in /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/common-session ?
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10:07<abrotman>zW: which sort of login?
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10:17<PaulePanter>Calinou: The latest images are supposed to.
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10:18<PaulePanter>Should not debhelper try to build packages in parallel by default and maintainers should disable it if it does not work?
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10:19<anita>pola
10:19<anita>ola
10:19<Ganneff>!es
10:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:19<anita>que
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10:20<Calinou>PaulePanter: ok, thanks
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10:21<zW>abrotman: chrooted ssh session
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10:22<zW>abrotman: users logging in trough ssh, being chrooted in a special directory.
10:22<zW>limits.conf is completely ignored
10:22<pinguy>text
10:22<pinguy>testing software
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10:38<pbase>i get a "Server does not use any supported authentication method" when connecting to my gtalk account on pidgin on wheezy. is this happening with everyone?
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11:24<Zathras>Hi. I just encountered some real nasty stuff when using PAM to bind services to samba (winbind): request wbcLogonUser
11:24<Zathras>failed: WBC_ERR_AUTH_ERROR, PAM error: PAM_SYSTEM_ERR (4), NTSTATUS:
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11:24<Zathras>NT_STATUS_INVALID_HANDLE, Error message was: Invalid handle
11:25<Zathras>I am on Debian Squeeze with default samba packages
11:25<Zathras>I can login perfectly on the domain etc. But when using *some* other services things go wrong
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11:26<Zathras>dovecot auth works fine for instance, so does ssh. But when I use an "extra step" : pam to pam : things go wrong with whatever which service so it seems
11:26<Zathras>any pointers appreciated
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12:04<Guest1934>asdasd
12:04<Guest1934>is someone there?
12:05<daemonkeeper>Guest1934 appears to be reachable.
12:05<SynrG>!ask
12:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:22<tdullien>hmmm
12:23<tdullien>silly question: I started a run of "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" about 5 hours ago, and it is still running -- is there any way to monitor progress ? it did complain that the resolver timed out...
12:23<themill>tdullien: what are you upgrading from and to?
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12:25<tdullien>squeeze to wheezy
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12:25<tdullien>or rather the frankensqueeze that I had to wheezy
12:26<themill>you'd probably be better off using apt-get for that, and it will be a dist-upgrade not an upgrade
12:26<tdullien>hmmmm ... so should i ctrl-c now ?
12:26<themill>it's still sitting there trying to calculate the upgrade path?
12:27<tdullien>the HD has been noisy for all of the past 5 hours
12:27<themill>or is it actually installing/removing packages
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12:27<tdullien>I don't know ... last output was
12:27<tdullien>Unable to safely resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver.
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12:27<tdullien>and it's been sitting there since
12:28<themill>sounds like it has given up -- it should stop at that point... but ^C should be safe
12:28<tdullien>ok
12:28<tdullien>so sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
12:29<themill>yeah
12:29<tdullien>ok
12:30<tdullien>thx
12:30<themill>I assume you don't have sid/experimental/stable/backports etc still in sources.list and don't have pinning there
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12:38<tdullien>I had replaced all distro names with wheezy there
12:38<tdullien>sec
12:38<luke> /msg dpkg squeeze
12:38<o1ie>Hi, i've got a thinkpad w510. Lately the trackpoint's buttons have not been working at all. This was an issue with squeeze and now on testing. The trackpoint works flawless, but none of the 3 buttons is alive. They are also dead when testing with xev. Anyone experienced this or can point me in the right direction?
12:39<tdullien>themill: ok, the distupgrade seems to have run through. Reboot & hope ?
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12:40<tdullien>well, I'll try :-)
12:40<tdullien>thanks a lot !
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13:30<rkh>hello
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14:25<joo>Hey guys, if I install testing today, what are the chances of it exploding when it becomes current and I try to dist-upgrade?
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14:26<joo>I'm not gonna run in here crying and screaming if you tell me it won't explode and then it does :D
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14:35<retrospectacus>joo: guaranteed or your money back
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14:37<joo>retrospectacus, hahaha alright
14:37<joo>I'mma go ahead and do it anyway
14:37<retrospectacus>if you have problems, /msg dpkg bat for guidance asking for help
14:38<joo>If I run into any major issues I'll save people the hassle and switch back
14:38<joo>Can't blame the OS for my impatience!
14:38<retrospectacus>there is no switching back...
14:38<joo>I'm completely formatting
14:38<retrospectacus>impatience? what are you waiting for?
14:39<joo>dist-upgrade throws a fit at the moment
14:39<joo>And there's a few minor issues I'm having that are apparently fixed in wheezy, so
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14:39<retrospectacus>well... /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy and /msg dpkg bat
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14:41<retrospectacus>dist-upgrade is "the way"... if it ain't working, read the above factoids
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14:42<joo>Alright, thanks
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15:31<kepha>bonjour, je viens de mettre en place ma connexion vpn avec les donnée donné par mon ecole pour me conencter à mes document sur leur serveur
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15:31<kepha>donc la connexion se fait mais je ne sais pas quoi faire après... comment j'accède au serveur de l'école?
15:32<tziOm>Where are language settings and so on defined in the boot menu?
15:32<tziOm>I need to change the defaults for myself
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15:34<retrospectacus>kepha: English here. Pour l'aide en francais va a #debian-fr
15:35<kepha>ah ok merci
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15:51<Supertramp90>identify
15:52<Supertramp90>Nabend
15:52<retrospectacus>Supertramp90: /msg nickserv help
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16:05<variable_>i can't muve up or down menu items in main menu config
16:05<variable_>*move
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16:07<variable_>is there other way to move them in one or other position?
16:07<retrospectacus>the Move Up and Move Down buttons work fine for me
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16:11<variable_>i'm on sid
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16:12<variable_>delete and property buttons works but move uo and move down don't
16:12<retrospectacus>variable_: I'm on squeeze but... if you run alacarte from the terminal as normal user, do you see any errors when you click Move Up or Move Down?
16:13<retrospectacus>variable_: you should go to #debian-next for sid support anyways
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16:15<variable_>retrospectacus, yes there is some messages and i shall go to to #debian-next
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16:26<themill>%wb
16:26<dselect>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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16:36<gnugr>themill:new bot?
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16:38<MrFrood>gnugr: emergancy backup bot .. I think
16:38<gnugr>MrFrood:ta
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17:04<veg^>hello, is it possible to compile wine on sid 64 bit from source?
17:05<towo`>everything is possible
17:05<towo`>the question is, why
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17:06<sney>,v wine-unstable
17:06<judd>Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2
17:06<sney>why, indeed
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17:06<sney>gotta have that extra +x.x.11 of changelogs
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17:07<veg^>i need wine>=1.5.7
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17:07<sney>!tel veg^ about uupdate
17:08<sney>er
17:08<sney>!tell veg^ about uupdate
17:08<sney>oh, the bot is gone again.
17:08<towo`>and tell him anout p- or cowbuilder
17:08<retrospectacus>%tell veg^ about uupdate
17:08<towo`>*about
17:09<retrospectacus>%tell veg^ about cowbuilder
17:09<retrospectacus>%tell veg^ about pbuilder
17:09<sney>hmm, I'm not terribly sure uupdate would work with wine's source tree
17:09<retrospectacus>he dunno what is cowbuilder
17:09<towo`>sney, it should
17:10<sney>yeah, I guess it shouldn't make a difference how big/complex it is
17:10<towo`>sney, maybe the patches will not apply
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17:19<AlexLikeRock>any one , can tell me health of this HDD http://picpaste.com/pics/HDD-250-7Nh5RMtX.1350422309.png
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17:29<Killerspec>evening all
17:30<retrospectacus>hi
17:30<AlexLikeRock>nigth
17:30<AlexLikeRock>jajaj
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17:31<Killerspec>I am trying to install Debian Squeezy on a blank machine and haveselected automated install now it is asking me for a download debconf perconfiguration file address ...... anyone know where I can find said address
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17:33<AlexLikeRock>yes , tey ask if you have "automatic file Pre-configurated"
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17:34<AlexLikeRock>****pre-configured
17:34<AlexLikeRock>just jump this step
17:34<AlexLikeRock>dont worry ;-)
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17:35<Killerspec>cool thanks
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17:40<Killerspec>Grrrr it now keeps coming up with an error for Debian archive mirror
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17:43<AlexLikeRock>what country you are?
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17:43<AlexLikeRock>US and FR are good mirror
17:44<Killerspec>wont let me config mirror no matter what I do
17:45<Killerspec>trying graphical install
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17:47<AlexLikeRock>jump steep , before can configure
17:48<AlexLikeRock>;-)
17:48<Killerspec>any chance you know where I can find firmware files: rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw
17:48<AlexLikeRock> jump steep , after can configure
17:48<AlexLikeRock> ;-)
17:48<AlexLikeRock>****after
17:48<veg^>well, i still get same error while configure wine on 64bit sid : http://paste.debian.net/201139/
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17:50<themill>veg^: you either need a cross-building environment or an i386 chroot to build wine packages for debian
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18:05<loicd1>Hi, I'm trying to figure out why debian installer says "No root file system is defined". I suspect it does not detect the disk but it's the first time I have such an error. I wonder where I could read more verbose logs.
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18:07<retrospectacus>loicd1: you can press alt-F4 for the install log (press alt-F1 to go back to the installer)
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18:07<loicd1>when I run a shell, I see the disk is here ( /dev/vda it's a kvm virtual machine )
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18:23<jaherto>holas
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18:27<PannCaKKES>its 420!
18:28<retrospectacus>take it outside
18:28<PannCaKKES>rofl
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18:31*loicd saved debian-installer logs in /mnt ( using the Save debug log entry ) and now browsing /mnt/install/partman looking for a clue
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18:42<hikmet>hi ı am using voyager xfce 12.4 but my bluetooth doesnt work can you help me
18:43<devil>voyager?
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18:43<devil>this is debian
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20:11<ext5>has anyone tried to install aircrack-ng 1.1 recently?
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20:25<rainfyre>ext5: in Debian?
20:25<abrotman>what?
20:25<abrotman>oh, nm
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20:42<cindy>#ubuntu-indonesia
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20:43<cindy>PING!!
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21:04<ext5>rainfyre, yes debian wheezy
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22:27<fix>dang acer support sucks, I got a seagate disk that fails seatools on a 2 month old laptop and they havent responded to my ticket since I opened it
22:29<dvs>Never had an Acer, and probably never will now.
22:29<abrotman>My Acer, from 1995, still works :)
22:29<dvs>O_O
22:29<abrotman>94
22:29<dvs>is it running bo?
22:29<fix>Hey, I dont hate acer, now HP and Toshiba are garbage
22:29<fix>Ill take an Acer anyday over an HP or Toshitba
22:30<abrotman>dvs: uhm, etch last I knew, maybe lenny
22:30<fix>HP and Toshiba are great, that is, if you like your chipsets melted down
22:30<abrotman>dvs: you know ... blackbox and X .. yay fun
22:30*dvs shudders about fvwm
22:30<fix>yeah its running, but any hard disk that fails it own manufacturers diag, thats under warrantee, is getting replaced
22:32<fix>dvs, I got a Fujitsu C Series Lifebook, 1ghz PIII 256mb ram running Debian Squeeze right in front of me. LXDE
22:32<fix>2003ish, late model
22:32<fix>oh w8, bios logs show activity in 2001
22:33*dvs is onto his second Toshiba
22:33<fix>only issue I have is that it wont wake from suspend
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22:33<fix>HP and Toshiba really, the new ones are all plasticy and shiney, they just look like cheap wal mart trash to me, plus they have a high rate of thermal failure, so I steer clear of them
22:34<fix>Im more of a Matt finish guy myself
22:35<fix>I would really like to get my hands on a good, cheap used Lenovo Core2 quad
22:35<dvs>Mine has some brushed metal on the cover and palm rests. But I tried to get into the back panel and I couldn't get the cover off.
22:36<dvs>I think either a Lenovo or Asus would be my next pick
22:36<fix>Yeah, a laptop with a convenient easily removable access cover to get to the cpu/gpu coolers is def a plus
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22:36<fix>my last acer was like that
22:37*mjrosenb_ has been rather pleased with his dell and lenovo laptops in the past.
22:37<fix>had an Extensa 5420 Turion X2 and it was pretty good, accept for that shiney crap plastic they used on the chassis gettin rubbed
22:37<fix>yeah, I recommend Acer for low end, and Dell or Lenovo for mid to high end, Asus aint bad either
22:38<fix>one thing acer has some pretty cheap displays
22:38<fix>look horrible tbh on this new core-i3 one I got
22:38<fix>I do a lot of reading in the dark, and black is all distorted with light when viewed in the dark
22:39<fix>like reading white text on black
22:39<fix>will be nice if retina becomes standard
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22:40<mjrosenb_>my dell is the only laptop that i've seen with a proper 1920x1200 display on a 15.4" model
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22:45<daniel_>current software raid, resource hungry?
22:46<fix>I want to stab anyone perpetuating the term "ultra book" it only serves to further push my favorite form factor further into obscurity, the Ultra Portable
22:46<daniel_>i like turtles.
22:46<daniel_>(with ultra books).
22:46<fix>^ die slow
22:46<daniel_>ok.
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22:47<daniel_>my laptop is very non-ultrabook however. may i live?
22:48<fix>there is no such thing as an ultra book, I suppose I could call my computer an Ultra PC with Tomatoes and Jelly
22:48<fix>Last time I checked, they were still called "Laptops"
22:48<abrotman>anyway ...
22:48<fix>and the internet didnt go into a puff and fly into the heavens, its not "the cloud" its still the internet
22:48<daniel_>i suppose, i don't even pay attention much to all the new terms and such
22:48<fix>yeah
22:48<daniel_>i just know mine is huge..which isn't ultrabook like
22:48<fix>Mac users and their silly buzz words
22:49<daniel_>mine is asus
22:49<ext5>mine is t61p
22:49<daniel_>g74sx
22:49<daniel_>i love it
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22:49<daniel_>i have a t60 too, but always wanted a t61p
22:49<abrotman>!ot
22:49<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
22:50<daniel_>current software raid vs. hardware raid!
22:50<fix>Ive got 5 hard disks in this box, and I havent tried software raid yet
22:50<fix>something I need to do before I die
22:50<abrotman>is your applications disk IO bound?
22:50<ext5>ive come to a conclusion that no matter what manufactors now make laptop shitty. compared to the old days.
22:51<fix>all applications are IO bound to some degree
22:51<ext5>all for the sake of lightness
22:51<fix>tru, miss having a magnesium chassis
22:51<daniel_>i have 2 500gb in laptop, debian, software raid..seems to work better than a few old-ish perc 5 servers i have around.
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22:52<abrotman>depending on the versoin of perc controller, they're not so good, others are very good
22:52<fix>I know how to set them up in gparted, but havent figured out the grub part of booting to them
22:52<daniel_>but i hear that it's soo resource hungry it is not worth
22:52<daniel_>it*
22:52<daniel_>my carsd are perc 5
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22:53<fix>ftw, I want a classic Abit VP6 with Dual 1.4ghz PIII Tualatins.
22:53<fix>in a classic Biege InWin chassis
22:53<abrotman>this is still #debian ...
22:53<fix>^ is it?
22:53<fix>:P
22:53<abrotman>daniel_: you'll have to benchmark both setups, that's the best way to find out
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22:54<daniel_>i am striping 0 on 7.2k drives with software, i7 with 16g ram, and i have yet to notice any negatives..but i keep running into folks DECLARING software raid is bad..is this rational or just opinion?
22:55<daniel_>(i know raid 0 no fault tolerance)
22:58<mjrosenb_>ok, I have a debian question... Is installing oprofile supposed to create a user/group "oprofile"?
22:58<mjrosenb_>because it seems like this did not happen
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23:02<daniel_>beyond me, sorry
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23:03<mjrosenb_>:(
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23:05<daniel_>my answer (google) is yes =P
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23:07<mjrosenb_>I have found that google is horribly unreliable on these matters
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23:08<daniel_>indeed, google has a terrible habit of bringing up things from 200*
23:09<daniel_>like similar questions asked back in lenny days for example.
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23:11<daniel_>i found my answer, i think =) "With today's fast CPUs, Software RAID performance can excel against Hardware RAID...")
23:11<mjrosenb_>and people taking wild guesses and getting it wrong
23:11<daniel_>ya ya
23:12<sney>daniel_: also, linux's software raid is not usually what people are talking about when they say software raid is bad
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23:12<mjrosenb_>daniel_: personally, I am in love with zfs, however this is #debian, so that may not be an option for you.
23:12<sney>isn't zfs in debian kfreebsd?
23:12<ext5>has anyone sucessfully install aircrack-ng on debian wheezy ?
23:13<daniel_>i used ti know much more about debian (and linux as a whole) back in 2.4 kernel time..but know i need to catch up again..damn technology
23:13<sney>!anyone
23:13<mjrosenb_>sney: no clue, last time I checked, the kernel supported it, but there were no userspace tools.
23:13<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
23:13<daniel_>ext5 yes
23:13<ext5>really ive tried many times
23:14<mjrosenb_>!sicco
23:14<dpkg>Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
23:14<daniel_>i used the SVN trunk and compiled from source with proper debian packages to do so. works fine
23:14<mjrosenb_>well, I've learned something new today
23:14<daniel_>!sicco
23:14<dpkg>Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
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23:15<daniel_>=P
23:15<ext5>mhmm i will try that method thank you daniel
23:15<daniel_>i think..build-essential has most everything to compile aside from depenencies listed on aircrack's instructions.
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23:17<sney>,v aircrack-ng
23:17<judd>Package: aircrack-ng on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2; sid: 1:1.1-5
23:17<sney>,checkbackport aircrack-ng
23:17<judd>Backporting package aircrack-ng in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
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23:17<sney>!tell ext5 about ssb
23:18<daniel_>old aircrack most likely no good..use new from source
23:19<sney>daniel_: the version in sid is current, and judd just told us it can be built on squeeze.
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23:19<sney>so ext5 now has the instructions to backport the debian package, rather than messing around with the source dependencies manually.
23:20<daniel_>yea, i dunno. i rather get latest/greatest from aircrack-ng maintainers code. its easy and much newer.
23:21<sney>it is the same code!
23:22<sney>aircrack-ng in sid was last updated in, I think, August. if ~2 months is "much newer" to you then I think you need to get treatment for your SNS
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23:25<daniel_>"svn co http://trac.aircrack-ng.org/svn/trunk/ aircrack-ng"..the development version works great..yes it is "newer" but why am i even arguing this?
23:26<daniel_>p.s. i wuv you all.
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