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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-10-23

---Logopened Tue Oct 23 00:00:49 2012
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00:06<nevyn>oh god yes.
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00:32<sauxu>hhhhh
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01:44<facu_116>Is Debian hard to use? I don't like Ubuntu anymore since they implement Unity
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01:46<facu_116>zykotick9: hey
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03:33<vagvaf>hello guys, i'm trying to remove the nouveau module from the kernel in order to install nvidia drivers. i blackmailed it, update initramfs and still the system won't allow me to remove it. it says it is being used..any ideas?
03:33<vagvaf>*blacklisted :P
03:34<nevyn>you need to reboot
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03:36<vagvaf>i did that
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04:25<ftc>anyone got any clues as to why a debian 6 box with the usual basic LAMP packages would have 'portmap' + 'nfs-common' installed? they never appeared on my debian 5 boxes. obviously some dependency thing, i'm assuming they weren't installed in the base install, but not sure.
04:25<perlwizard>ftc aptitude why portmap
04:25<perlwizard>aptitude why nfs-common
04:26<ftc>cool thanks, was looking for a command like that
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04:27<ftc>mount Suggests nfs-common ... so does that mean portmap is installed on every debian 6 box by then? was surprised to see port 111 open
04:28<ftc>by default
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04:29<perlwizard>it most probably is.
04:30<ftc>hmm yeah, seems so: Port 111 is sunrpc's portmapper, and it is installed by default as part of Debian's base installation since there is no need to know when a user's program might need RPC to work correctly.
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05:31<Sidicas2>ftc: I've had a lot of problems with port map hanging the system on shutdown. I'd suggest you remove it. I think the replacement Rpcbind is a lot better.
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05:31<ftc>ah k
05:32<ftc>i don't really need either, it's just a web server, so i've just disabled it in the rc scripts
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05:32<Sidicas2>ftc: I think if you accidently down the lo network interface portmap hangs on shutdown.
05:33<Sidicas2>ftc:at least, it used to. Not sure now.
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08:03<user__>Is there anyway to install Windowsxp from debian without optical drive?
08:04<user__>Sorry for my rusty English
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08:05<perlwizard>maybe.
08:05<perlwizard>using some sort of VM and then doing VM image -> hdd
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08:07<daemonkeeper>user__: You can use any install image and boot from USB
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08:10<peter1138>so i discovered that my ever-increasing %si load is caused by LXC :-(
08:11<user__>I got netbook with debian
08:11<user__>And no drive :D
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08:14<daemonkeeper>user__: Any fairly modern PC can boot from USB.
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08:41<prime>good evening every one.
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10:31<japs>hi, i'm trying to run sage on my newly installed sid
10:31<japs>i'm getting the following error
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10:31<japs>python: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /opt/sage-5.3/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0)
10:31<japs>any idea?
10:32<japs>i've been searching for a while and no luck yet
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10:35<perlwizard>japs sid support -> #debian-next
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10:35<japs>perlwizard: can anyone confirm this doesn't happen in stable or testing?
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10:38<raksteady>Hey evry1! Play my dj set at soundcloud.com/djraksteady , i've put the best music n its downloadable
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10:58<uxi>guys where can i get some help for lubuntu?
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11:00<zach23>I am using "iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -i eth1 -s 10.0.1.0/24 --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT" and telnetting to the port does not happen. If I shut off iptables, it works fine. Any clue as to what is stopping it from working or where can I go to ask?
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11:02<avtobiff>zach23, what are your rules for "connecting back" i.e. OUTPUT?
11:02<avtobiff>iptables -L
11:02<avtobiff>pastebin iptables -L output
11:03<zach23>I have this way at the top of the script: "iptables -I OUTPUT -s 10.0.1.0/24 -d 10.0.1.0/24 -o eth1 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT"
11:03<zach23>okay I'll pastebin
11:03<avtobiff>i suppose you should also have ESTABLISHED in state
11:04<avtobiff>--state NEW,ESTABLISHED or however you do it
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11:06<zach23>avtobiff: I just did that ESTABLISHED and nothing
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11:06<zach23>avtobiff: http://pastebin.com/H51YiZbx
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11:06<zach23>" 60 3600 ACCEPT tcp -- eth1 * 10.0.1.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:4730"
11:07<zach23>I have: "iptables -I OUTPUT -s 10.0.1.0/24 -d 10.0.1.0/24 -o eth1 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT"
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11:09<SynrG>ah, isn't that --state NEW,ESTABLISHED mostly useful on INPUT?
11:09<avtobiff>oh yes
11:09<avtobiff>sorry
11:10<avtobiff>i use --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED on input chain
11:10<zach23>I don't understand what is going on..I reject all traffic but then run those rules - it works for the other IP addresses but not 10.0.1.0/24 (even if i hard code it to 10.0.1.1)
11:10<zach23>i.e. "iptables -P INPUT DROP" and then "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth1 -s 10.0.1.1 --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT"
11:11<SynrG>i don't see the point in filtering OUTPUT at all
11:11<avtobiff>iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp --syn --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT
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11:11<avtobiff>iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -p --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT
11:11<avtobiff>???
11:11<avtobiff>zach23, ^
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11:12<zach23>let me try...
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11:13<avtobiff>and just do iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
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11:14<zach23>avtobiff: Okay, "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -p tcp --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT" did not work - still blocked
11:14<avtobiff>zach23, did you add the line with "--state NEW --syn" etc?
11:14<SynrG>are you still filtering OUTPUT?
11:14<avtobiff>otherwise it won't work
11:15<avtobiff>you won't accept new connections
11:15<zach23>"iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT" is one of the first rules
11:15<avtobiff>are you running this with the script?
11:15<SynrG>that's not a rule, per se. that's a policy
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11:15<zach23>avtobiff: add both your lines? yes, in a script...
11:16<SynrG>the pastebin you pasted earlier sure didn't show ACCEPT as the OUTPUT chain policy
11:16<SynrG>it showed a policy of DROP
11:16<avtobiff>zach23, do a iptables -F then run only those four lines. -p input drop; -p output accept; -a input --state NEW --syn accept; -a input --state ESTABL... accept
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11:17<SynrG>recheck your script. are you later changing the policy?
11:17<zach23>avtobiff: your first line "/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp --syn --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT" did it
11:17<SynrG>anyway. too many cooks ... bowing out
11:17<avtobiff>:)
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11:17<SynrG>good luck
11:17<avtobiff>SynrG, i agree with your observation here!
11:18<zach23>But I should specify an interface; when i specify eth1 it doesn't work
11:18<zach23>no "/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp -s 10.0.1.1 --syn --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT" works
11:19<zach23>what is it - I was using "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth1 -s 10.0.1.0/24 --dport 4730 -j ACCEPT"
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11:20<zach23>agh if i mention -i eth1 it doesn't work
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11:24<avtobiff>zach23, can you try only these lines to get a minimal example? http://paste.debian.net/202994/
11:24<avtobiff>add options at your pleasure
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11:26<sifu_>hi
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11:26<sifu_>how do i remove a user from a group?
11:26<sifu_>i forgot the command
11:26<zach23>avtobiff: that works
11:26<zach23>avtobiff: so if I mention -i eth1 it doesn't work - why is that? so odd
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11:27<TobiX>sifu_: deluser user group
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11:28<sifu_>TobiX: thank you
11:28<TobiX>zach23: Is it possible that the packages come from another interface? What are the IPs and routes on that system?
11:28<avtobiff>my thought exactly
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11:28<zach23>I am telnetting locally from the box to the IP
11:28<TobiX>zach23: lo :)
11:28<zach23>not mentioning -i eth1 shouldn't be bad though?
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11:29<TobiX>And then the connection comes from "lo", the loopback interface
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11:30<long>would you explain to me , what the meaning of every column of source.list
11:30<avtobiff>!dpkg tell long about sources.list
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11:31<long>?
11:31<SynrG>the man page (i see the factoid cites it) really does the best job explaining it.
11:31<SynrG>avtobiff: ! or dpkg, not both :)
11:31<SynrG>!tell long about sources.list
11:32<long>ok,ilookant man page
11:32<SynrG>long: you have a priv msg from dpkg bot as well
11:32<SynrG>long: that's what avtobiff was trying to send, except his bot syntax was wrong
11:33<avtobiff>SynrG, thonks
11:33<avtobiff>s/o/a/
11:33<long>no one there, i refer to man page,its ok
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11:34<SynrG>long: really? dpkg bot told me it sent a message to you. do you have it blocked? (or maybe you just overlooked the new window that was opened?)
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11:34<TobiX>zach23: Interface options for iptables can be dangerous, especially on routers...
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11:35<long>i got it
11:35<long>thanks
11:35<SynrG>k
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11:36<zach23>TobiX: yes and since I'm doing -s 10.0.1.0/24 it should now what interface to do this for correct? I mean it works
11:37<zach23>avtobiff: Thank you so much. Also SynrG thank you. I appreciate both your help.
11:37<SynrG>np
11:37<avtobiff>you are welcome!
11:37<long>what i really want to know is that how to add items to source.list according to http-url. i can find my wanted package,but i do not how to add it to source.list
11:38<SynrG>long: the site publishing the apt repository would normally have a page explaining to you what to add.
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11:38<SynrG>long: what gets added depends on the structure of the repository, and that's not always the same
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11:39<SynrG>long: is this a public site? if so, paste the URL
11:39<long>yes,so i am asking. look at this ;
11:39<long>http://mirrors.163.com/debian/pool/
11:39<SynrG>is that a full debian mirror?
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11:40<SynrG>if so, just "deb http://mirrors.163.com/debian squeeze main" should do it
11:40<long>debian is one of them
11:40<SynrG>pool is down too deep
11:40<long>debian is for debian
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11:41<SynrG>pool is the unindexed directory tree of all packages. apt locates the distribution ("squeeze" in my example) through "dists"
11:41<SynrG>from there, it finds all of the index files it needs.
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11:47<long>how to check if the distribution(squeeze) contain what you want
11:47<long>which file in the distr?
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11:53<gnugr>long:you can check every package with "apt-cache policy <package-name>"
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11:54<long>ok, iam new for debian.so my question is simple
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11:55<gnugr>long:to install it "apt-get install apt-cacher"
11:55<long>'apt-cache searchapache2', it tells me 3 options with diifferent version, how to select a sepcial one
11:56<gnugr>use "apt-cache policy <package>"
11:57<gnugr>long:"apt-cache policy apache2"
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11:58<long>ok, it lists package and its http-url
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11:59<long>how to select a special version?
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11:59<gnugr>long:it shows what your /etc/apt/sources.list provide
12:00<long>yes
12:00<gnugr>and you can see if a package is candidate
12:01<gnugr>or installed
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12:03<long>yes
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12:05<gnugr>long:you can install debian-reference-en and read more about apt/aptitude/dpkg etc
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12:06<long>yes
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12:07<long>but solve it for me .
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12:07<long>apache2:
12:07<long> Installed: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8
12:07<long> Candidate: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8
12:07<long> Version table:
12:07<long> 2.2.22-11 0
12:07<long> 500 http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages
12:07<long> 500 http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages
12:07<long> 500 http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages
12:07<long> *** 2.2.16-6+squeeze8 0
12:07<long> 990 http://mirrors.163.com/debian/ squeeze/main i386 Packages
12:07<long> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
12:07<gnugr>long:?
12:07<long> 2.2.16-6+squeeze7 0
12:07<long> 990 http://mirrors.163.com/debian-security/ squeeze/updates/main i386 Packages
12:07<long>how to install 2.2.22-11
12:08<retrospectacus>apt-get install apache2=2.2.22-11
12:08<retrospectacus>but why?
12:08<long>why what?
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12:08<Maulkin>long: That will almost garuntee to break your entire computer.
12:09<retrospectacus>why do you want the sid version instead of the squeeze version
12:09<engla>long: mixing sid and squeeze does not work
12:10<engla>long: you should fix you sources before anything bad comes out of this. then check backports
12:10<retrospectacus>!tell long about sid
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12:12<long>recently , my customers told me that a debian Virtual machine'apache2 has system-leak. its version is 2.2.16.
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12:12<long>so i have to upgrade it to 2.2.22 or higher, but i can only find 2.2.23 deb.
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12:14<long>i can only find 2.2.22-11 deb
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12:15<lupine_85>which would appear to meet your requirements?
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12:16<Maulkin>long: What do you mean by system-leak? The version in stable has security fixes applied so that may already have been fixed for you. (see the +squeeze8 at the end...)
12:16<long>2.2.22-11 seems ok
12:16<retrospectacus>2.2.16 is fine
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12:17<retrospectacus>do you have a bug report?
12:17<long>yes
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12:17<retrospectacus>do you have a bug number?
12:18<long>i give you CVE-ID ,for example CVE-2011-3192, http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-3192
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12:18<long>http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-3607
12:19<Maulkin>long: See http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-3192 , it's been fixed in 2.2.16-6+squeeze7
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12:19<Maulkin>long: same for CVE-2011-3607
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12:21<retrospectacus>long: see the +squeeze7 or so - it means that package has been fixed to patch various bugs but still be for squeeze (security updates)
12:22<long>so great
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12:24<long>save myself the trouble
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12:26<long>how about supporting virtualization on debian?
12:26<retrospectacus>long: yes
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12:28<long>thanks, go to sleep. it is 0:28 AM.
12:29<long>thanks very much
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12:37<erwerwerwerwerr>derp
12:37<retrospectacus>herp
12:37<erwerwerwerwerr>nick Analingus
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12:37<Analingus>dang it
12:39<Maulkin>Analingus: Do you have a Debian question?
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12:40<Analingus>not at the moment
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12:50<Frajer>AHOJ :)
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12:50<Frajer>:D
12:50<retrospectacus>hi Frajer, do you have a Debian question?
12:50<Frajer>hi. no ;)
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12:51<retrospectacus>then please be quiet. If you want to chat, join #moocows
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14:08<gabriel>oi
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14:14<ergalvao>Hi guys, how do I install a .deb package if it only has a 32 bit version? (I'm running on 64 bit)
14:14<ergalvao>I keep getting the wrong architecture message
14:14<ergalvao>when I click the .deb file directly
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14:17<ergalvao>anyone?
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14:18<ergalvao>mmmm dpkg --force-architecture ?
14:18<Emanuel>ola
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14:52<quasarman>lo
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15:18<indexphinger>Hello
15:18<indexphinger>I have a sliiiight problem
15:18<indexphinger>Although Grub Stated I have a windows install, I can't get to it anymore
15:19<indexphinger>It only shows Debian and its single user login
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15:29<orangensaft8>hej
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15:29<orangensaft8>i installed debian 7 and after a restart i get a weirdly looking screen...
15:31<orangensaft8>here's a picture of it.. https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/644050_4489657533284_1046963602_n.jpg
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15:36<peter1138>orangensaft8, that's weird... is that a... crt? so long ago...
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15:37<orangensaft8>:x helpful
15:37<orangensaft8>obviously not my main pc :p
15:37<MrFrood>orangensaft8: I'm guessing that it has detected the wrong resolution for the monitor
15:37<MrFrood>orangensaft8: is that gurun or X login?
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15:38<orangensaft8>well, installation works nicely though - and on another computer running debian 6 everything worked smoothly
15:38<MrFrood>er s/gurun/grub/
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15:38<orangensaft8>and i have no idea what it is, i finished install and this is where it's at after the reboot
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15:39<MrFrood>orangensaft8: yes but at what point in the reboot?
15:39<orangensaft8>and i used LILO because grub just didnt want to work, and i forgot how to reach the console to grub-install /dev/sdb (instead of sda, which it tried (usb stick))
15:39<orangensaft8>well, lilo loaded, then a bunch of information, let me reboot to see what the last line is?
15:39<MrFrood>orangensaft8: is it the lilo screen or later in the boot?
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15:40<danut>.mlmmm
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15:41<orangensaft8>all the lines pass wayyyyy too fast to make out what it says last
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15:42<orangensaft8>MrFrood: i wouldnt know how to tell the different between lilo screen and "later in the boot"
15:42<MrFrood>orangensaft8: ctrl+alt+F1
15:42<orangensaft8>oh.
15:42<MrFrood>to see the boot stuff
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15:42<orangensaft8>yeah that does nothing
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15:42<orangensaft8>you mean during the boot?
15:42<MrFrood>C+A+F7 to get back
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15:43<orangensaft8>honestly, i don't even know where i am supposed to go with these key combis
15:43<blast007>orangensaft8: when you get to the corrupted looking display, do that. That will take you to the first terminal.
15:43<MrFrood>X runs on VT7 the boot is on VT1
15:44<orangensaft8>i tried it, and when im at that screen, ctrl alt f1 does nothing
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15:46<MrFrood>are you familar with whatching the linux boot process orangensaft8 ?
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15:47<orangensaft8>MrFrood: yeah, using linux on laptop
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15:48<MrFrood>orangensaft8: what I want to know is the fast "Linux stuff" you mentioned, did it look like the daemons starting up or like kernel output (like grub without the "quiet" option)
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15:49<orangensaft8>ouh
15:50<orangensaft8>i'd go with daemons
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15:50<MrFrood>ok, then it sounds like the issue is when X starts
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15:51<MrFrood>can you try the ctrl+alt+F keys again - also try F2
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15:52<orangensaft8>oki
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15:52<orangensaft8>i tried all ctrl+alt+fX combinations
15:52<orangensaft8>unchanged
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15:53<MrFrood>OK, thrn I'm stuck - without acess to a working VT I've no idea what to do. perhaps somebodyels has an idea
15:53<orangensaft8>i always go through the debian install very quickly (enter enter enter enter enter), maybe i failed to see a missing driver or something similar?
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15:53<orangensaft8>that would explain it at least?
15:54<MrFrood>I jsut think it is X using the wrong screen resolution
15:54<orangensaft8>so booting into a live system and changing a file could be it?
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15:56<MrFrood>well, a working system would be better but if you could stick in an xorg.conf with your correct resolution it might help
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15:57<orangensaft8>alright, ill try with a live 6.0.5 .. :| hope it works
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16:01<orangensaft8>while the live image is downloading, i started the installation image again to see if there were any missing files, and yup
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16:04<orangensaft8>rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw... seems to be an ethernet driver, yet i get a connection.. how confusing.
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16:05<sney>iirc, the nic that uses that firmware file doesn't require it in most cases
16:05<sney>it's really a bug fix for use with certain cables and PHYs and stuff
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16:09<orangensaft8>i'm still downloading the live image, meanwhile someone else told me that i should get AMD drivers for the graphics card (onboard) - is that necessary, and could it fix the issue, when i haven't even installed a desktop environment? :x (i guess, since it's drivers, right? (i feel so dumb right now..))
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16:20<sney>orangensaft8: hard to know at this point whether that would fix it. get your livecd, disable X from starting, and go from there
16:21<orangensaft8>livecd doesnt boot, segfault
16:21<orangensaft8>comment on fb: "shared ram? ram might be broken"
16:21<sney>yeah, segfaults on boot are often a ram problem indicator
16:21<sney>provided the cd was burned properly and the download wasn't corrupt etc
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16:22<orangensaft8>..... i just built that machine. the ram is fresh
16:22<sney>could be doa
16:22<orangensaft8>._. memtest it is
16:22<orangensaft8>how long does something like memtest take with 8GB?
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16:22<retrospectacus>forever
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16:23<sney>one pass will probably go for an hour or two depending on speed, but you should really let it run overnight, as some issues won't show up the first time around
16:23<sney>if you have a bunch of dimms you could also swap them in and out and see if you can get the livecd to boot
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16:24<orangensaft8>the case is too annoying to do that, i'd rather run the overnight test :x
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16:37<Ferson>hallo people
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16:38<Ferson>ola
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16:40<Ferson>hey
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17:35<Gerowen>Random question. I need to play an IMM4 video that was taken from a security camera. I'm using Debian Stable and VLC won't play it. I've installed w64codecs but mplayer won't play it either. The file has a .avi extension.
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17:38<MrFrood>Gerowen: mplayer
17:39<MrFrood>Gerowen: I've mplayer2 from deb multimediia and the command "mplayer -vc help | grep -i imm4" shows "imm4 vfw working"
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17:41<Gerowen>When I try playing it from the command line, this is printed toward the end of the mplayer output.
17:42<Gerowen>http://paste.debian.net/203149/
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17:44<MrFrood>Gerowen: try running it as mplayer -vo xv (if don't work vo=xv)
17:45<MrFrood>(sorrry I have this set up in my config file so remembering the commandline options is a bit fuzzy)
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17:46<Gerowen>still gives me the same error
17:46<Gerowen>I also replaced my default install of "mplayer" with "mplayer2" from deb-multimedia
17:48<MrFrood>can run the vc help command I posted earlier just to check the support?
17:50<Gerowen>imm4 vfw working infinity cctv codec [VCMIMM4.dll]
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17:54<Gerowen>I tried doing "locate VCMIMM4.dll" and got no results, even after running "updatedb" to make sure it was had an up to date file record.
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17:56<MrFrood>odd, Gerowen I'm not an mplayer expert so I'm going to suggest you ask in #mplayer on irc.freenode.net - they are good bods but you might have to wait a little while for an answer
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17:57<Gerowen>Ok no biggie, thanks for trying though, :-)
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17:59<pato83>Gerowen: just look here, it seems to be very similar: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2011-August/083110.html
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18:03<josephc25>Hello? How does this work?
18:03<MrFrood>by magic
18:03<josephc25>cool
18:04<josephc25>can I sort, look up by area
18:04<josephc25>is this general chat or IT issues?
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18:05<MrFrood>this is #debian - debian help but there are lots of other cahannels
18:05<retrospectacus>this channel is for Debian support
18:05<josephc25>Thank you.
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18:44<medi>hello
18:44<MrFrood>hi
18:44<medi>hi
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18:45<MrFrood>do you have a debian support question?
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18:45<medi>there is debhelper
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18:45<medi>ssh do u know about it
18:46<MrFrood>!ask
18:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:46<MrFrood>medi: ^^^ read
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19:16<touki>Hi
19:16-!-mode/#debian [+l 505] by debhelper
19:16<retrospectacus>hello
19:16<touki>Where should I install firefox or thunderbird ? in /opt/ or /usr/local ?
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19:17<retrospectacus>you should go read http://mozilla.debian.net/ instead of taking that road
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19:19<touki>what if I need a plugin not working with icedove ?
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19:19<retrospectacus>then you probably just need a newer version of icedove which are available on m.d.n
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19:23<touki>hmmmm
19:23<retrospectacus>you can get version 10 from mdn/backports
19:23<retrospectacus>standard squeeze only has version 3.1
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19:27<touki>I should get the esr ?
19:27<retrospectacus>yeah
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19:31<touki>I think i've installed the esr (icedove 3.1.16), but still, mail merge plugin doesn't work.
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19:32<retrospectacus>you should have version 10.0.9-1~bpo60+1
19:32<retrospectacus>follow the directions more carefully
19:34<retrospectacus>especially the "-t squeeze-backports" part
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19:35<babilen>3.1.16-1~bpo60+1 is in backports (but http://mozilla.debian.net comes with 10.0.9-1~bpo60+1)
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19:36<retrospectacus>so either he didn't add the mdn line, didn't update, or didn't put "-t squeeze-backports"
19:37<touki>^^
19:37<touki>i did the three in fact
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19:37<babilen>touki: Well, a "apt-cache policy icedove" would answer that question. Could you paste that output to http://paste.debian.net please, touki?
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19:39<babilen>touki: ... and throw in your sources.list too please.
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19:39<touki>here the policy : http://pastebin.com/pt7eEFNa
19:40<babilen>touki: Ok, run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install icedove" and marvel at the magic
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19:43<touki>"Icedove is already the most recent version"
19:43<touki>Here is my sources.list in case http://pastebin.com/WuMjiUmQ
19:45<babilen>touki: The candidate version is 10.0.9-1~bpo60+1 so that one should be installed. Could you, maybe, try removing it and then running that again, but I don't quite understand the behaviour you are seeing.
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19:46<touki>babilen: Here is the message, i'll try by removing it.
19:46<touki>http://pastebin.com/
19:46<touki>sorry : http://pastebin.com/Pk6UU8LP
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19:47<babilen>Oh, and now that you mention pastebin.com -- there are a bazillion pastebins that are better. (e.g. http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com or ...)
19:47<touki>^^ thanks
19:48<babilen>don't worry :)
19:48<Nurffe>hey guys.. I just installed debian to laptop (omnibook xe3) and when booting the machine it will only show blank screen. Luckily I installed ssh-server and was able to connect using ssh. Now if I run "service gdm3 stop" and after that "startx" laptop will show desktop on screen
19:48<Nurffe>any ideas how I get it to work straight when I reboot?
19:48<touki>same same i just did "apt-get remove icedove" and then "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install icedove
19:48<touki>But it installed me again the 3.1.16~1bpo60+1
19:49<babilen>touki: What does "apt-get -t squeeze-backport install icedove/3.1.16-1~bpo60+1" give you?
19:49<retrospectacus>+s
19:49<babilen>touki: Err. make that: apt-get -t squeeze-backport install icedove/10.0.9-1~bpo60+1"
19:49<babilen>something is wrong ...
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19:50<touki>babilen: 10.0.9-1~bpo60+1 for icedove was not found
19:52<babilen>touki: Could you try "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install icedove" -- I would also suggest a "apt-get --purge autoremove", but I am a bit surprised by the behaviour that you see there.
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19:56<touki>babilen: I've first purged, then aptitude did nothing
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19:57<babilen>touki: Is it telling you that it is the most recent version too? May I see "apt-cache policy icedove" after you've purge icedove please?
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19:59<touki>broken packages : http://paste.debian.net/203166/
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20:01<babilen>touki: You forgot the "-t squeeze-backports" but please show me "apt-cache policy icedove" after running "apt-get purge icedove". A "aptitude search ~b" and "aptitude search ~U" would also be interesting.
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20:02<touki> Installed: (none)
20:02<touki> Candidate: 10.0.9-1~bpo60+1
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20:03<babilen>touki: And "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install icedove" installs 3.1.16~1bpo60+1 ?
20:04<babilen>touki: If it does, what does "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install icedoce=10.0.9-1~bpo60+1" give you?
20:04<babilen>(and may I please see the output of those two commands)
20:05<touki>i'll try
20:05<touki>http://paste.debian.net/203169/
20:05<babilen>err, make the second "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install icedove=10.0.9-1~bpo60+1"
20:07<babilen>You also have a couple of broken packages. You might want to install those again (all packages listed in the ~b search) to ensure that their dependencies are installed again.
20:08<touki>(taking note) aptitude wants to remove plenty of packages ^^
20:08<touki>http://paste.debian.net/203170/
20:09<touki>I go further ?
20:09<babilen>Do you use gnome?
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20:10<touki>yep
20:10<touki>I've never try to switch on this desktop
20:11<babilen>touki: Ok, please run "aptitude install -f" and show me what that does (that should reinstall missing packages)
20:12<touki>http://paste.debian.net/203171/
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20:13<touki>where did you learn all this, I've just begun the debian hand book, I don't get everything ^^
20:13<babilen>touki: Could you cycle through alternatives by answering "n" now and show me those?
20:14<babilen>The Debian handbook is a good start :)
20:14<touki>http://paste.debian.net/203172/
20:14<babilen>Your packaging system is in a bit of a messy state in that some packages have been removed uncleanly or are missing dependencies.
20:15<touki>I should reinstall my debian ?
20:15<babilen>touki: Do you use wicd? Could you cycle through more options please?
20:15<babilen>No, that won't be necessary.
20:15<touki>nope i don't use it anymore, it was a shot.
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20:16<touki>plenty again
20:16<touki>http://paste.debian.net/203173/
20:17<babilen>Ok, lets start by running "aptitude install gnome wicd- icedove-"
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20:18<touki>I do this massive reinstall ?
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20:19<babilen>touki: "massive reinstall" ? May I see the output? Do you actually want to keep the gnome package? (and all its dependencies)
20:20<touki>http://paste.debian.net/203174/
20:20<babilen>looks fine (assuming you want that) -- but that will almost certainly fix (most/all) of the dependency problems you have.
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20:22<touki>babilen:k
20:22<babilen>touki: You should then be able to run "aptitude install -f" and "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install icedove" -- You might want to purge wicd and remaining packages listed in "aptitude search ~b"
20:23<babilen>touki: I'm off now, so I wish you good luck!
20:23<touki>Yeah thanks
20:23<touki>have a good day
20:23<touki>thanks for everything
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20:32<Nurffe>so anyone have idea about my black screen problem? seems to be related with intel 830m graphic but I've been unable to find proper solution :s
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20:47<sam_>i'm having an issue with kmail. it may be something i did to my system... i can 'fetch' mail but can't 'send' mail. error message= unrecognized transport protocol. i googled it and saw that others had seen the same error. but no clue as to why or how to fix it. anyone here familar with it ?
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20:50<touki>d
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21:14<magyar>hi, does openjdk provide jvisualvm?
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21:35<Sidicas2>Nurffe: are you able to paste in /var/log/Xorg.log?
21:35<Sidicas2>Into paste in
21:36<Sidicas2>Into pastebin
21:36<Nurffe>not anymore, just broke my installation totally
21:36<Sidicas2>Android auto correct meh
21:36<Nurffe>:D
21:37<Nurffe>tried vesa drivers -> system crashes before it starts
21:37<Sidicas2>Some Intel graphics chips are really not Linux friendly
21:37<Nurffe>figured that out
21:37<Sidicas2>What chip you say you had? Missed it
21:38<Sidicas2>What model?
21:38<Nurffe>82830 GC
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21:38<Nurffe>basically 830M I guess
21:39<Nurffe>i915.modeset=0 was workaround few years ago but doesn't work anymore
21:40<Nurffe>http://blogs.dailynews.com/click/2010/02/intel-82830-cgc-830m-graphics.html
21:40<Nurffe>this explains whole problem pretty well but I was still unable to find working solution
21:40<Nurffe>everything seems to be out of date solutions
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21:43<Nurffe>any good ideas or do I just go sleep?
21:43<Sidicas2>So you set that i915 mode set and now it doesn't boot?
21:44<Sidicas2>At the boot loader, you should be able to hit e and take out anything you saved in there
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21:45<Nurffe>nah its my xorg which is messed up right now
21:45<Nurffe>and seems to halt whole system before it even starts
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21:46<Nurffe>with i915modeset0 it boots for a while but then stops.. just marker flashing in the screen
21:46<Nurffe>it doesn't work anymore, googled that out also but doesn't remember anymore why it doesn't work :p
21:46<Sidicas2>And you can't SSH in ?
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21:47<josy1982>ubuntu is the best
21:47<Nurffe>" This then gave me
21:47<Nurffe>no screen at all, probably because the intel driver requires KMS"
21:47<Sidicas2>At the blue boot screen. Right before it boots you can press e and remove the modeset
21:47<Nurffe>theres the reason
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21:47<Nurffe>modeset is not the problem
21:47<Nurffe>its the vesa driver I have in xorg now
21:47<Nurffe>failes to load apparently and freezes whole system
21:47<Nurffe>not even ssh-server starts
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21:48<Nurffe>that not really a problem.. I can just reinstall OS again but I will still have that black screen issue
21:48<Sidicas2>Ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work?
21:48<Nurffe>nope
21:49<Nurffe>I get *nothing* in my screen
21:49<Sidicas2>That's not good
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21:49<Sidicas2>You're running squeeze?
21:49<Nurffe>yeah
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21:50<Nurffe>but like I said before, I was able to connect via ssh remotely, stop gdm3 and startx and I got the desktop
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21:50<Nurffe>problem is I won't be having another computer to do that everytime I reboot
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21:52<Nurffe>for me it looks like that newer kernels dont have KMS due i915.modeset=0 doest not work anymore and it was only working workaround for intel 830m
21:52<Nurffe>so alternate solutions are more than welcome :D
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21:55<Sidicas2>Nurffe:have you tried Debian Wheezy?
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21:55<Nurffe>nope if I had choices I would have tried something else already
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21:57<Nurffe>laptop won't boot from usb and I don't own cd/dvd writer. Just one cd with squeeze
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21:57<Nurffe>lucky me ..
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21:59<Sidicas2>If you get an SSH agai , it might be a good idea to try upgrading to wheezy
22:00<Nurffe>fucking intel graphic chipset I think.. That laptop is so gonna die
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22:01<Nurffe>yeah well, its dead at the moment. Will reinstall tomorrow and try then
22:01<Nurffe>thanks for the help anyways
22:01<Nurffe>I'm off to sleep o/
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22:03<Sidicas2>Can you try adding this video=vesafb:mtrr:3,ywrap, vga=792 to your kernel boot line?
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22:05<Sidicas2>In addition to the mode set you already have in there.
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23:01<mmgc84>yellow \1/
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23:38<sammy>I'm confused. booting the "recovery mode" option which includes "single ro" but I don't get the option to enter single user mode until after the root filesystem is mounted rw. what am I missing?
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23:45<jeep>sammy umount it and then remount it
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23:50<bleh>Hello
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23:51<sammy>but isn't the point of having single user mode and read only so that I get single user mode and a read only root file system? I can't remount it ro cause it's in use.
23:51<bleh>Very slow room, see ya
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23:56<simonlnu>sammy: yes you can. mount -o remount,rw /
23:56<simonlnu>man mount ;)
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