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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-11-02

---Logopened Fri Nov 02 00:00:04 2012
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00:26<fix>latest bios
00:26<fix>Im not sure on that box, its a biege box so'
00:27<fix>also frustrating that all the bios upgrade procedures from the manufacturers, like intel, seem to require a windows os to perform those upgrades
00:29<nevyn>yes that is annoying.
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00:31<devil_666_666>fix it fix!
00:32<simonlnu>i wish they'd get off it already, or make some more unixy tools
00:32<simonlnu>well, freedos works ;p
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00:33<devil_666_666>never try an bios upgrade with freedos simonlnu
00:33<nevyn>there are worse things... https://plus.google.com/u/0/106101158347460822516/posts/h2D4NKTAztD
00:33<fix>erm
00:33<fix>shouldnt be too hard to figure out a way to flash a biosrom from nix
00:33<fix>Im sure its done all the time
00:33<fix>just get the rom and flash it using an foss/o-s prog
00:33<simonlnu>well i already have and have done so. i'm typing from one.
00:34<fix>Ive been looking into coreboot bios replacement
00:34<fix>you guys seen that? #debian-offtopic
00:34<simonlnu>me too. have for a long time. never seem to end up with a supported mobo :/.
00:34<fix>yeah ikr
00:34<fix>I heard u can actually launch your kernel from within the bios right into your os
00:35<fix>Im always worried about a rootkit in my bios;s
00:35<simonlnu>something like that
00:35<fix>FBI took my equipment I had to dump the roms and verify the checksums to make sure they didnt bug my boards
00:36<devil_666_666>a bit paranoid fix x)
00:36<fix>noahfx, its the real world
00:36<fix>whoops,
00:36<simonlnu>no, seriously
00:36<fix>noahfx, its the real world
00:36<fix>what the heck
00:36<fix>when I type "no" it autocompletes his name!
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00:36<devil_666_666>jaja
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00:37<simonlnu>they do do that sort of thing. and yeh, we should move to ot
00:37<fix>yeah I through the computrace embedded machines in the trash where they belong just to be sure
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00:39<simonlnu>nevyn: that's effed up
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00:39<noahfx>fix: :P
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00:40<fix>autocompletes your name
00:40<fix>nobody else
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00:40<fix>just you no
00:40<fix>no
00:40<fix>no its not doing it now
00:41<fix>wierd
00:41<simonlnu>blah
00:41<simonlnu>weird
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00:43<nevyn>simonlnu: That's what I thought ;)
00:44<simonlnu>i'm no lawyer, but i think that's an overly broad definition of "Damage    the    goods    by    using    them    in    a    way they were not meant to be used."
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02:10<AncestorEra>anybody playing MW3 On ps3 ?
02:10<simonlnu>no
02:10<AncestorEra>-.-
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02:14<fix>no
02:14<fix>wtf is this #ps3-gamers ?
02:15<devil_666_666>x)
02:16<devil_666_666>people play x) fix
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02:29<fix>sony will burn in hell for revoking a consumers choice to purchase a ps3 believing linux would be able to run on it
02:30<fix>I will NEVER in my life buy another sony crap product
02:30<fix>and its all because they did that
02:30<bones_was_here>that happened a long time ago ;)
02:30<fix>doesnt matter, it was an unforgivable sin
02:30<fix>and the fact that sony makes garbage
02:30<bones_was_here>but yes sony is on my personal 'do not ever give money for any reason' list
02:31<fix>I hope Sonys Video Game division gets put out of business by the fucking ipad, it would be Karmic Irony
02:31<bones_was_here>#debian-offtopic ;)
02:31<fix>k
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02:39<Eryn_1983_FL>lol
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02:42<devil_666_666>jjajajaj ok
02:42<devil_666_666>research before buying!
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02:49<madduck>pages like this http://www.zeitoun.net/articles/debian-squeeze-usb/start suggest that I need to put the installer ISO on the installer medium for USB installation, but that is not necessary if I have a network connection, right?
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02:53<devil_666_666>if you use network booting you shouldnt
02:54<madduck>not network booting
02:54<madduck>but once the installer is up, I can set up networking and download the rest of debian
02:54<madduck>no need for the iso
02:55<devil_666_666>ok
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02:55<devil_666_666>never try that x)
02:57<devil_666_666>I have never tried*
02:58<simonlnu>nah, no need for it
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03:00<devil_666_666>my computer is really possessed and people call me crazy x)
03:00<madduck>maybe change your nick…
03:01<simonlnu>that was just your typing ;)
03:01<devil_666_666>ahhhhhh mmgc84
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03:03<xiaopao>aaa
03:03<devil_666_666>eee
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03:04<fix>[ 6.140964] [drm:drm_edid_block_valid] *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid, remainder is 13
03:04<fix>wtf
03:05<simonlnu>kernel bug or such
03:06<devil_666_666>I love the DebConf11 playing cards!
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03:17<devil_666_666>EDID what?
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04:14<s4br3>Hi, running glxgears claims "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh." but when I check NVIDIA X Server Settings "Sync to VBlank" is NOT checked. What could be wrong?
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04:22<s4br3>Sauerbraten gives about 200 fps which indicates that the 3D is not synchronized to vertical refresh.
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04:32<niels>well, glxgears obviously does sync. applications can choose for themselves, as far as i know
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04:44<s4br3>niels: yes, and I should have recalled that glxgears isn't for benchmarking... :)
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06:14<tianyi>Hi guys, I am trying to create an account on wiki.debian.org. But it keeps giving me "Account creation failed: Error 910: please contact debian-www@lists.debian.org for help if this continues." error.
06:15<tianyi>So just wonder is this just me or should I send email to the address given? Thanks
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06:40<HELLth>hi guys, I've problem with debian wheezy/sid with 3.6.0-rc4 vanilla kernel. I've tried to set up CUDA for my nvidia gf 315m but nvidia-smi still telling me gpus not supported. I've tried debian way - nvidia-glx, nvidia-cuda ... , now I've tried offical cuda 5 (for ubuntu 11.04), driver is installed but cuda toolkit not. It has problem with compiller (found that ln -s gcc-4.6 to /usr/local/cuda/bin/gcc) didn't help. So only with -override option it
06:40<HELLth> compile, but doesn't work. Some idea? Thank you.
06:41<simonlnu>tianyi: wouldn't hurt (the latter). if anything, you'll either let them know of this problem, or be told account creation is disabled, or some other thing.
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07:02<tianyi>simonlnu: Thanks a lot. Yes I sent them an email and got reply as well.
07:03<simonlnu>cool
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07:49<pajaro>is there a way to do this `dpkg -l *word*` and have it presented like that, small and to the point, but with the with the whole list of packages apt knows about instead of the ones dpkg knows about?
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07:57<Ixium>pajaro: apt-cache search
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07:59<Ixium>for example: apt-cache search apache*
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08:00<pajaro>Ixium, that does not show installation status, and it looks both in description and name
08:00<Ixium>so, what do you want then?
08:01<pajaro>dpkg -l style, but that searches in apt, instead in the db of packages dpkg knows about
08:01<dpkg>ii style, but that searches in apt, instead in the db of packages dpkg knows about 3.9-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
08:01<pajaro>apt-get remove dpkg
08:02<pajaro>not so clever now, huh dpkg?
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08:03*pajaro shows dpkg whos the boss... dpkg never talked back to pajaro like that again
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08:04<perlwizard>can you even do that
08:04<pajaro>the joke or the real question?
08:04<daemonkeeper>dpkg: will you?
08:04<dpkg>pajaro I will
08:04<pajaro>if you mean the real question... i dont think it can be done
08:05<perlwizard>dpkg -l | grep
08:05<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep
08:05<perlwizard>etc
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08:05<pajaro>perlwizard, dpkg only searches packages it knows about... like dependences and stuff, but not all the of the packages apt knows about
08:05<Ixium>well, you can try something like apt-cache showpkg
08:05<Ixium>won't give you exact the same
08:06<Ixium>but you'll get version info
08:06<perlwizard>oh, you want all
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08:07<pajaro>well, showpkg is a little better than just show... witch shows everything about the package
08:07<pajaro>still not exactly as nice as it could be tho...
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08:09<babilen>pajaro: "aptitude search '~nFOO'" ?
08:09<themill>pajaro: aptitude search ~n. -F'%0p %d' (/msg dpkg aptitude search)
08:10<pajaro>yup, that did it... thank you babilen and themill :D
08:11<themill>add %c and %V to the output if you want more details
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08:12<pajaro>i didnt want to learn that aptitude search language... but i guess its quite useful
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08:17<pajaro>dselect-like persistence of user actions <-- what does this mean in http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude ?
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08:26<pajaro>i used aptitude in the past and noticed it does things diferently than apt... thats why i stick to using always apt to install
08:26<pajaro>i can read in the aptitude wiki "Score-based and (usually) smarter dependency resolver than apt-get"
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08:27<pajaro>depends are depends... how can one be smarter than the other one?
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08:56<EdePopede>hi. windows partitions are not accessible/mountable for normal users?
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09:04<pajaro>EdePopede, yes
09:04<EdePopede>yes, the are or yes, the are not?
09:04<EdePopede>+yy
09:04<pajaro>yes they are
09:04<EdePopede>and what is the secret trick?
09:05<pajaro>no secret trick... i think they are mounted read-only bydefault
09:05<pajaro>what are you exactly doing?
09:05<wompa>EdePopede, not by default, but you can modify /etc/fstab
09:05<EdePopede>i can NOT mount them as user
09:05<Ixium>try to mount them with 'user' in fstab
09:05<EdePopede>i must make /mnt + childs rwx for all?
09:06<pajaro>EdePopede, i think you have to be on the fuse group
09:06<EdePopede>i am
09:06<EdePopede>for > 1y now
09:06<EdePopede>and every time i try this it doesnt work
09:06<EdePopede>and i did
09:06<EdePopede>'user'
09:06<Ixium>like: /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
09:06<pajaro>EdePopede, shows us output of commands in paste.debian.net
09:06<Ixium>?
09:06<EdePopede>und user,users. and chown. and chmod. and dunnowhat. NOTHING works
09:07<pajaro>show us mount output
09:07<pajaro>chown cant work on ntfs partitions, because there is no such thing
09:07<pajaro>as owners
09:07<Ixium>chown? won't be needed...
09:08<EdePopede>ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/C <<< thats what comes with 755 root.root for /mnt and children
09:08<EdePopede>only thing i didnt do is 777 for all the directories
09:08<pajaro>until he shows us output we dont know what is he trying to achieve... he just said chown is not workin :)
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09:08<EdePopede>but the mount directory is on linux
09:08<Ixium>when you mount a partition as root -> big chance you can't write it as a normal user
09:09<pajaro>can you read files from windows partition?
09:09<EdePopede>anyway, shouldnt windows partition be mountable by users if wished?
09:09<EdePopede>if i mount as root, sure
09:09<pajaro>it is... thats what fuse is for
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09:10<EdePopede>thats why i am in the group. soomeone told me that month before
09:10<EdePopede>only doesnt help
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09:10<EdePopede>btw iu think it was for usb sticks back then
09:11<pajaro>EdePopede we need output of commands
09:11<pajaro>mount for example
09:11<EdePopede>ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/C <<< thats what comes with 755 root.root for /mnt and children
09:11<pajaro>lsb_release -a would be cool as well
09:11<pajaro>and /etc/fstab
09:11<EdePopede>http://paste.debian.net/205818/
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09:13<Ixium>i think ntfs-3g can be set as partition-type in fstab ... right?
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09:13<EdePopede>No LSB modules are available. <<< aha? and that means? anyway, i run squeeze 6.0.6
09:13<pajaro>EdePopede, -a
09:13<wompa>Ixium, I get TYPE="ntfs" for my ntfs partition by blkid
09:13<pajaro>but okay
09:14<EdePopede>99,9% that i copied the fstab lines from my suse10 i used for years.
09:14<EdePopede>never upgraded to 11 (was waiting vor squeeze instead)
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09:15<pajaro>that explains the weird format of fstab
09:15<pajaro>^^
09:15<EdePopede>and i suppose it should work (if it does at all) also in runlevels without X
09:15<pajaro>yup
09:15<EdePopede>and no, i do NOT want to use thunar or konqueror
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09:17<pajaro>EdePopede, okay... lets try mount do its magic... change owner of /mnt/C to your user. remove line from fstab and then mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/C
09:17<pajaro>if that works, we know what line to put in fstab
09:18<EdePopede> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/C <<< i bet... mount: only root can do that
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09:18<pajaro>yup
09:18<pajaro>mmm
09:18<pajaro>good point
09:18<pajaro>then
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09:19<gruetzkopf>erm, why does installing the 3.2 kernel from backports want to uninstall a 2.6.32 kernel
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09:20<wompa>EdePopede, do you have root access on that computer?
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09:20<pajaro>from mount man page: defaults "Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async."
09:21<EdePopede>mount: only root can do that << as i sayd
09:21<pajaro>mmm let me checkout that suid xD
09:21<user1>i guess he ment you to try it as root to see if it works
09:21<wompa>EdePopede, do you know the root password for this computer?
09:21<EdePopede>never ask me for i am root on my pc ;)
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09:22<wompa>EdePopede, I have no idea who's pc you are fiddling with
09:22<user1>hehe
09:22<pajaro>he wants to mount as normal user
09:22<EdePopede>user1: that is what i do NOT want to do
09:22<EdePopede>linux as a 1 user system as MS-DOS? nice :]
09:22<wompa>pajaro, yes, but to be able to do that in the future he would need some root access to do the setup
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09:22<wompa>pajaro, such as editing fstab
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09:23<pajaro>wompa, true that
09:23<pajaro>my first approach was right xD
09:23<user1>i though you were just trying to figure out why fstab didnt work
09:23<user1>my bad
09:23<EdePopede>so there is no option "users may mount that ntfs partition"?
09:23<pajaro>to be in fstab
09:23<pajaro>with the right options
09:24<wompa>EdePopede, yes, there is options for that in /etc/fstab
09:24<EdePopede>btw, what about user vs. users?
09:24<user1>i guess fstab you should let you do that. no experience here though sorry.
09:24<EdePopede>highly irritating, maybe man pages bit outdated?
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09:25<pajaro>users, any user can umount it
09:25<pajaro>user only those who mount it can umount it
09:25<pajaro>from man page... but im on wheezy
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09:27<EdePopede>pajaro: tried both, none works
09:27<pajaro>yup, user/s seems not related to your problem
09:27<pajaro>ls -l /mnt please
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09:29<EdePopede>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 7. Jun 2011 D <<< same goes for all and also /mnt itself
09:30<gruetzkopf>erm, why does installing the 3.2 kernel from backports want to uninstall a 2.6.32 kernel
09:30<EdePopede>755 root.root (iirc it is also the installation default)
09:30<pajaro>udev + fuse should be able to mount anything with user rights... i think thats what the gui uses to show windows partition
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09:31<pajaro>and be able to mount them... unfortunately i dont have any windows partition around to test :S
09:31<EdePopede>the gui may use some kernel functions not used by mount(8)
09:32<pajaro>gui is user space
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09:32<stdhell>"unfortunately i dont have any windows partition"... What an odd thing to say. :-)
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09:32<EdePopede>had some broken info boxes with netscape 4.x back in win98se, as wide as 32k pixels. but windows didn't let me drag a window that big. so: function yes, hook no
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09:33<pajaro>afaik anyway... there is magic under and tends to work if you dont touch too much xD
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09:33<EdePopede>magic is religion and that's for iGuys
09:33<pajaro>thats why im suggesting to remove lines from fstab change ownder of mount point and try to mount with defaults
09:33<EdePopede>linux should work like a good stable machine
09:34<pajaro>to see what the magic does
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09:34<pajaro>i mean... mount it with gui and lets see what the magic does
09:35<pajaro>:D
09:35<EdePopede>k then, all but / and /proc removed. let's see
09:35<wompa>pajaro, where and how?
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09:35<EdePopede>"mount with gui"?
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09:35<EdePopede>oh
09:35<EdePopede>btw, that's how it all started
09:36<user1>unless it asks for root pass its probably using fuse i guess
09:36<pajaro>nautilus is not able to detect and mount win partitions?
09:36<wompa>yes, it is
09:36<user1>the idea of mounting local disks through fuse is a bit weird though
09:36<pajaro>wompa, thats where and how
09:36<calzifer>hi, is there no spell checker for german language in libreoffice? (im running wheezy)
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09:37<EdePopede>i wanted to see my disk space usage with that g-whatever... shows squares for files, big file->big square... usb stick was inserted and that nasty little program not only mounted that stick with a right(!)click on the list entry, but also created a directory (xxxx-xxxx) in /mnt (remember: 755 root.root)
09:38<stdhell>calzifer: myspell-de-de ?
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09:39<EdePopede>user1: whatever it uses (and whatever that program used), it must be UID root in 'ps faux', right?
09:39<pajaro>EdePopede, detection is made by udev rules, mount is made by fuse, afaik
09:40<user1>gui app created directory in /mnt without asking for a password? what desktop is this?
09:40<wompa>EdePopede, you may add/edit your entry for your ntfs partition in /etc/fstab like this: /dev/sdXY </mount/point> ntfs user 0 0
09:40<EdePopede>agrh. udev. suse 10 was to old fpr that i suppose?
09:40<wompa>EdePopede, see http://wiki.debian.org/fstab
09:40<wompa>then you may be able to mount as a regulare user
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09:41<wompa>EdePopede, actually it probably will be mounted by boot, but noauto in the options field will override that
09:41<calzifer>stdhell: thank you!
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09:41<stdhell>No problem.
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09:42<EdePopede>ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/F <<<< *sigh* still the same with /dev/sdb3 /mnt/F ntfs user 0 0
09:43<pajaro>line that shows mount, please
09:44<SynrG>eh? i don't think 'user' works with ntfs
09:44<SynrG>!user accessible ntfs
09:44<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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09:44<EdePopede>mount F – as i use usually with fstab entries
09:44<EdePopede>since options work only for root
09:45<SynrG>unlike fat filesystems, ntfs has a concept of users. so you need to provide a user mapping if you're going to do anything with them at all
09:46<EdePopede>if i mount as root i still can read as user
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09:46<pajaro>mount with rw?
09:46<SynrG>you can write as user as well if you follow the recipe above.
09:46<SynrG>but that's just for *one* user
09:46<SynrG>otherwise you need some sort of user mapping (see man mount.ntfs)
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09:47<pajaro>finally, someone knowledgeable joined the party
09:47<pajaro>xD
09:47<SynrG>not really. i'm just regurgitating doc
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09:48<pajaro>okay... finally, someone more knowledgeable joined the party
09:48<EdePopede>aha. mounting as root with fstab line as mentioned and no shell options gives me write access even as user (777 root root)
09:48<EdePopede>/dev/sdb3 /mnt/F ntfs user 0 0
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09:49<EdePopede>drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 1. Nov 23:09 mnt <<< is 755 ok or shouldn't it be 777 then? (or 775 chgrp fuse or so....)
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09:50<pajaro>SynrG, finaly someone who can read joined the party (better?)
09:50<SynrG>755 is normal for /dev
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09:51<user1>id argue 755 would also be fine for the mount point as long as it gets ownership of the user who mounted it
09:51<user1>777 is a bit ugly :D
09:52<pajaro>its a lucky number tho
09:55<EdePopede>ownership changes AFTER mounting? if so, i don't even get to that point. or is there an entry in a fuse config?
09:55<stdhell>pajaro: Not really, but 777 in base 10 might be.
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09:56<pajaro>stdhell, good point
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10:01<pajaro>EdePopede, sorry i have no idea nor i have where to test... but an ltrace might be of some help
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10:01<pajaro>wow, aptitude search is quite a beast
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10:03<EdePopede>whatever ltrace may be
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10:04<EdePopede>mounting windows partitions seems to be a nerds task. or something for professional system administrators
10:04<pajaro>ltrace allows you to see library calls
10:04<EdePopede>never used it in maybe 15 years
10:04<daemonkeeper>Quite the contrary, mounting Windows partitions is a non-existing requirement to nerds, EdePopede.
10:04<user1>iirc i used the uid, gid options on mount
10:05<pajaro>yup EdePopede you should keep your windows partitions around... where you can easily mount your linux... never mind
10:05<user1>(for ntfs)
10:05<EdePopede>mount options work for root only
10:05<EdePopede>no exception it seems
10:05<user1>didnt care if it mounted as user ot via fstab though
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10:05<EdePopede>daemonkeeper: if i have to use it on another users's pc? or if i need windows for some reason?
10:06<dcpc007>hello, does someone work(ed) in scientific environment with Debian please ?
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10:06<EdePopede>that thinking was exactly what brought apple down and made IE unusable
10:06<pajaro>anyway, with ltrace you can find out what is doing the program underneath... that whats kinda your question...
10:06<dcpc007>i need to choose distro for next gen of woking station
10:06<daemonkeeper>EdePopede: Well, be it.
10:06<wompa>EdePopede, I see now that fs-type, in fstab, should be ntfs-3g for read and write access, not ntfs.
10:06<daemonkeeper>That's the problem of generalizations (like yours :>)
10:07<stdhell>dcpc007: Sort of...
10:07<stdhell>Depends what you mean.
10:07<dcpc007>i look on Debian, but softs editors don't support Debian => do it at your own risk ... and try by yourselves to get a goood install
10:07<EdePopede>wompa: that's what i have all the time, and what doesn't work: http://paste.debian.net/205818/
10:07<dcpc007>softs like cdadapco, thermal analysis, fluid, mechanics, 3D CAO
10:07<user1>EdePopede: would it be bad to mount it on boot with owned by your user or do the uid,gid options generally dont work in fstab (regardles of trying to mount as user or root)
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10:08<lupine_85>the scientific community tend to prefer red hat and derivatives, when they go linux, IME
10:08<lupine_85>there's even a Scientific Linux distribution
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10:08<dcpc007>users want just it works
10:08<wompa>EdePopede, ok
10:08<EdePopede>user1: i had ~300d uptime and then about 60. no, no mount on boot
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10:08<stdhell>wompa: I think mount.ntfs-3g is a symlink to mount.ntfs (or the other way around), so it shouldn't matter.
10:08<user1>:D
10:09<pajaro>dcpc007, try asking here http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/
10:09<dcpc007>for me i'm looking on Debian for next production servers (RHEL support too expensive now - double this year, and some guive good argument for Debian vs RHEL)
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10:09<dcpc007>ha thx :)
10:09<luke27>hello
10:09<dcpc007>not seen it in all the lists grrr
10:09<pajaro>RHELL support is not expensive at all :/
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10:10<pajaro>some of our clients use it
10:10<dcpc007>asked, sent a proposal of 1300eur/year/server
10:10<user1>well you can always su to mount but im getting the idea you want to mount random disks as user without any usage of root?
10:10<pajaro>what kind of support are you asking for? i mean, can you do it inhouse?
10:11<dcpc007>and today configuration is more like "a small server for each application", and after i need workstations
10:11<pajaro>your salary is going to be less than that doing that support?
10:11<dcpc007>for the moment, i'm alone at linux admin, and other tasks to do
10:11<dcpc007>then, if i must take multiple domains, i'm not a big expert
10:12<dcpc007>and if strange problem of need of informations .... hard
10:12<user1>i dont know if you could even make an fstab entry that could handle every config of ntfs disks that would be thrown at it without having to be edited as root
10:12<pajaro>dcpc007, i would try to ask about the support you want in that list... not sure what an science distro goes apart from a regular distro tho
10:12<dcpc007>and for the moment, no really time to get aware of news and test
10:13<dcpc007>editors will not help us (or really less) if we don't use the 1 or 2 distro they have tested
10:13<pajaro>user1, i think thats what udev rules are for
10:13<dcpc007>but i wouldn't use 2 diffrent distros in the enterprise
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10:14<dcpc007>as we couldn't pay for all servers if RHEL/CentOS, i try to compare Debian/Centos
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10:14<user1>pajaro, you might be right there. i read into udev once, got a headache and stopped :D
10:14<dcpc007>and many things tends to go to Debian
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10:14<dcpc007>only problem are thoses scientifics stations ...
10:15<dcpc007>(which will be virtualized becauseneed of Windows First)
10:15<pajaro>not sure what kind of support do you need... enterprises love 'enterprise' added at the end of a distro
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10:15<wompa>stdhell, you are right about the link
10:15<lupine_85>scientific linux is free, IIRC
10:15<dcpc007>Debian is good for entreprise too
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10:15<pinguy_>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J-YXJQwozk
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10:15<pajaro>you can look at rhell or suse... not sure if in debian there is enterprise word anywhere
10:15<lupine_85>it's just a RHEL recompilation, with gubbins
10:16<pajaro>maybe there are some companies that offer debian support... not really sure
10:16-!-mode/#debian [+l 534] by debhelper
10:16<dcpc007>yes then rhel base ...
10:16<lupine_85>but scientific applications tend to ensure their code run on it
10:16<dcpc007>debian community is too really reactive
10:16<user1>been running servers on debian since etch. cant complain.
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10:16<dcpc007>and free
10:16<dcpc007>and stable
10:16<dcpc007>and very good at update
10:16<dcpc007>and well configured by default
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10:17<pajaro>ubuntu have some paid support... if thats what you are looking for...
10:17<dcpc007>then i think enough to work, unless very strange or complex problem
10:17<user1>yes apt-get upgrade never failed on me
10:17<pajaro>does debian have any wiki page with enterprises that offer debian support or something?
10:17<EdePopede>erm.. up-to-date packages seems not to be the way for dabian stable. e.g. see vlc
10:17<dcpc007>RHEL some problem here, and can't paid for all the servers/workstations
10:18<dcpc007>yes but for prod, i do'nt need to latest version each time
10:18<stdhell>pajaro: http://www.debian.org/consultants/
10:18<dcpc007>and stable version each 2 years
10:18<user1>no debian stable isnt know for being bleeding edge but stable :D
10:18<dcpc007>yes and possible to get paid support with garanties if really n,eed
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10:18<pajaro>dcpc007, there you go... http://www.debian.org/consultants/
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10:18<lupine_85>TBH, I'd expect linux in a scientific setting to be fully supported by the in-house IT people
10:18<user1>thats why i wouldnt want ubuntu on a server
10:19<pajaro>in case something very weird shows up
10:19<dcpc007>but my problem is : there is many specific scientific softs
10:19<dcpc007>and it should work on debian,
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10:19<user1>on a desktop its different but on a server i take slightly old over hardly testet any time
10:19<lupine_85>many will, some won't. somewhere below half will be *supported* on debian by the producers
10:19<dcpc007>but no clue about what it cost "me" to get them work
10:20<lupine_85>almost all of them will work on scientific linux, it being something of a standard
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10:21<pajaro>dcpc007, as i said try asking here http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/ It seems folks will be able to better answer your specifics
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10:21<lupine_85>make a list of the software you need to have, do a matrix of package x distribution to see which distributions support all of them, pick your personal favourite that supports them all
10:22<dcpc007>choice will be CEntOS/Debian
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10:22<dcpc007>CentOS seems to be supported by all editors
10:22<dcpc007>but i don't want to use Centos on all servers
10:23<dcpc007>if I can
10:23<dcpc007>and manage 2 distros .... double work...
10:23*daemonkeeper looks at the channel name and blinks
10:23<wompa>EdePopede, Debian Squeeze was frozen in August, 2010
10:23<pajaro>its hard to give concrete answers without your specifics... you should work on that list first
10:23<dcpc007>then if we resintall all servers in Debian, i'd prefer make Scientifc workstations with Debian too (make masters, diffusion, procedures...
10:24<daemonkeeper>dcpc007: There is a Science pure blend.
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10:24<dcpc007>then i'm looking for someone which use Debian in a suck environnement with softs like Matlab, StarCD, Fluent, Ideas, Abaqus,...
10:24<user1>it still shipped wine 1.0something iirc which was kinda old even in 2010 iirc :D
10:24<EdePopede>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Release_history <-- then this is wrong?
10:25<daemonkeeper>dcpc007: http://blends.alioth.debian.org/science/tasks/
10:25<EdePopede>i had it btw on a dvd around 2/2011
10:25<dcpc007>ha cool don't know about thoses blends :)
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10:25<wompa>EdePopede, no, but new versions are not generally added after a freeze
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10:25<disposable>i'm trying to install squeeze on a Sun Blade 100. SILO goes through fine, computer starts booting up from CD, detects hdd, eth0, cdrom and then hangs right after "Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20". keyboard is unresponsive and all I can do is a hard reboot. I'd appreciate some help with this.
10:25<daemonkeeper>dcpc007: Won't contain non-distributable stuff of course, e.g. like Matlab.
10:26<dcpc007>(1 years in a mission near without linux and here, taking back society after 3 years with no managingof servers/PC)
10:26<EdePopede>6.0[101] squeeze[102] 2011-02-06[56] <<< ok, that's what the table says
10:26<dcpc007>we have sources, all are paid applications
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10:26<dcpc007>just most of them don't guive install procedure or prerequisites for Debian
10:26<EdePopede>so after freeze it hangs around for half a year?
10:26<wompa>EdePopede, bugfixes are applied after a freeze :)
10:27<dcpc007>Don't even know if it is possible to get them work (easely or not)
10:27<user1>freeze of software versions happens way before release i think
10:27<dcpc007>i think that it should work, just to find how install them
10:27<user1>EdePopede, yes
10:27<daemonkeeper>dcpc007: Hence I mention it. This software must be managed out of Debian anyways. But most Red Hatish stuff works without problem at all on Debian. Only problem is that vendors sometimes only supply .rpms which need to be extracted before.
10:27<dcpc007>but hard to estimate the size of the work
10:27<daemonkeeper>(or converted with alien)
10:27<luke27>how to help other people with debian ?
10:28<dcpc007>ha yes, alien :) not tested
10:28<daemonkeeper>Don't do it.
10:28<daemonkeeper>It's a mess.
10:28<EdePopede>how is firefox called on debian?
10:28<daemonkeeper>Iceweasel
10:28<EdePopede>oh, not catweazle
10:28<stdhell>Where can I find every version of a package (xen-hypervisor) that has been released for Squeeze?
10:28<user1>EdePopede, if you want newer stuff on stable you could look at backports sometimes the packages you want are there
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10:29<daemonkeeper>stdhell: That's easy, there is just one.
10:29<daemonkeeper>4.1
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10:29<user1>or you have to get creative like borrowing packages from a distro you know to be compatible or building stuff yourself
10:29<stdhell>daemonkeeper: But it used to work years ago, but following a number of aptitude safe-upgrade's, it's no longer bootable. :-/
10:29<EdePopede>yes, backports. heard about it, can't imagine what it is. on my long, long, long list. when i've done lots of other stuff waiting.
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10:29<pajaro>stdhell, maybe you are looking for this apt-get changelog xen-hypervisor -t squeeze
10:30<EdePopede>Version: 3.5.16-19 <<< iceweasel. and i can't even say i still use firefox 4 in the channel...
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10:30<wompa>EdePopede, take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net/ if you want newer Iceweasel
10:30<stdhell>pajaro: Maybe, but... E: Invalid operation changelog
10:31<pajaro>EdePopede, stable for desktop is... you have to deal with old stuff... hell... even in testing is only v10 or so
10:31<EdePopede>i have firefox in /usr/local, that's ok for me
10:31<daemonkeeper>EdePopede: Sorry, but what's your point again? Debian works the way it does. If you don't like it, pick something fitting better what you expect?
10:31<stdhell>pajaro: Ah... aptitude changelog... Got it. Thanks.
10:31<pajaro>stdhell, i guess you are in stable... aptitude changelog then
10:31<dcpc007>(is there an IRC for debian scientific ?)
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10:32<pajaro>stdhell, in testing it works as well with apt-get :D
10:32<dcpc007>(long time i don't use irc :) don't remember if there's a command to get all chans
10:32<EdePopede>daemonkeeper: lots of points. atm it is on mounting windows partitions as user. without suid root and chmod 777 and the like
10:32<daemonkeeper>dcpc007: No, but a mailing list.
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10:32<user1>like the aging wine could be easily replaced with packages from mepis or some older ubuntu version (not recommending that unless you are a bit comfortable with apt though since you might accidentally install a package that wont work)
10:32<dcpc007>ok i'll mail
10:32<EdePopede>i always see here and in #debian.de "it works for me" but nothing that could work for /me/
10:32<daemonkeeper>dcpc007: https://lists.debian.org/debian-science/
10:33<stdhell>pajaro: Is there also a way to get any of those older versions of the package?
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10:33<pajaro>#debian-science
10:33<daemonkeeper>EdePopede: As said, use Ubuntu, or whatever makes you happy if Debian doesn't fit for you. I don't think anyone here aims for world domination necessarily.
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10:33<EdePopede>so debian is not for desktop usage?
10:33<user1>+ compiling source packages from testing/unstable isnt all that hard if thry have newer versions
10:34<daemonkeeper>EdePopede: I use it since over a decade on all systems, including my desktop. YMMV
10:34<pajaro>stdhell, not sure apt-get download package -v=version or something like that
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10:34<user1>EdePopede, i am using it on a desktop ;)
10:35<mtn>EdePopede: it works great as a desktop, just doesn't have lots of shiny new stuff
10:35<EdePopede>i started years ago with the ugly volkerding distro, it worked. i chaged to debian 2, it worked. until i got ISDN, i had to switch to suse. and now finally back to debian, but things are not the same anymore
10:35<user1>my ui isnt really "user friendly" though
10:35<EdePopede>shiny new stuff like "mount non-linux partitions"?
10:35<user1>but then you could just install xfce and call it userfriendly i guess
10:35<mtn>EdePopede: which of course it does
10:35<pajaro>stdhell, is not -v but it rings the bell there is a switch for especific version
10:36<EdePopede>thunar may be able to do it, but i NEVER used that stuff (win explorer, konqueror, thunar, etc...)
10:36<stdhell>pajaro: You don't mean -t release, do you?
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10:36<wompa>EdePopede, the operating system is supposed to protect files from unauthorized access - that's why you need root to modify fstab or mount some drives
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10:36<pajaro>stdhell, nop
10:36<user1>what do you usually user? desktop / file manager wise?
10:36<pajaro>there is something to tell specific number version you want
10:36<pajaro>it rings the bell at least
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10:36<user1>or just textmode?
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10:37<erann>I actually like Debian on the desktop. Mostly because it doesn't break (that is, the stable branch).
10:37<EdePopede>i, root on my system, want to allow myself, user on that system, to mount my own windows partitions. forbidden by design?
10:37<stdhell>pajaro: But "Packages" only list one version (the newest) for squeeze so how would apt-get/aptitude know where to download the file?
10:37<daemonkeeper>EdePopede: You, root you are, can surely come up with a solution which involves editing /etc/fstab and giving NTFS whichever options you want during the mount.
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10:38<EdePopede>rm /etc/fstab?
10:38<EdePopede>whatever i read, no solution
10:38<user1>he says options dont work if mount is executed by user not root :/
10:38<pajaro>erann, funny story... i switch to debian after too many breakage.. where all the bugfixing and decision making is done
10:38<user1>at least thats how i understood it
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10:38<pajaro>in ubuntu i mean :)
10:39<EdePopede>mount from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 (with libblkid and selinux support) <<< right one?
10:39<user1>or that just that setting a fixed gid/uid isnt flexible enough for his needs
10:39<pajaro>stdhell, good point... but the switch and the posibility was there nonetheless... let me do some research
10:39<erann>pajaro: I've used Debian since Woody, then switched to Arch, and came back to Debian for the same breakage reason.
10:39<user1>results the same mount wont do what he wants :/
10:40<stdhell>pajaro: Found it! http://snapshot.debian.org/package/xen/
10:40<EdePopede>i dont even reach the point to use it, i can't even mount it. no matter what entries i use
10:40<daemonkeeper>user1: Well, supposingly these options won't vary across distributions, so whatever $others use, Debian can as well.
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10:40<user1>yes thats what i thought too
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10:41<erann>EdePopede: the fstab field definitions have an 'user'/'users' flag that allows users to mount filesystems if that's what you are looking for.
10:41<daemonkeeper>EdePopede: What *ecactly* is the problem to add a line like /dev/sdXY /wherever/you/want/windows ntfs-3g ro,uid=XXXX,umask=000 to /etc/fstab?
10:41<EdePopede>ok, other way round: can $user use.... mount $what $where $options ?
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10:42<user1>he wants his user to be able to run mount /mnt/C to mount it thats where the trouble startet i think
10:42<wompa>EdePopede, according to man page if you have user option in fstab a user only needs to do: "mount $what" or "mount $where", like "mount /cd"
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10:42<daemonkeeper>user1: So what? He wants to read mount(8), especially the "FILESYSTEM INDEPENDENT MOUNT OPTIONS" part.
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10:43<EdePopede>/dev/sdb3<----->/mnt/F<>ntfs<-->user,uid=0,gid=0,umask=0 0 0 <<< a line like that? (optionally with ntfs-3g)
10:43<daemonkeeper>And even more precisely, the user option.
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10:43<pajaro>EdePopede, wompa gave you the right hint i think
10:43<EdePopede>wompa: i tried user and users and both: no effect
10:43<stdhell>daemonkeeper: The problem seem to be, if you want to use "user" or "users", what uid do you use?
10:43<user1>yes that looks good
10:43<user1>besides uid=0
10:43<EdePopede>and gid?
10:43<daemonkeeper>stdhell: None, and that's by design of NTFS. How would it carry Unix attributes? Windows does not support that.
10:44<user1>you should have your user uid there i think
10:44<daemonkeeper>You can map it to /one/ user or group, and that's it.
10:44<pajaro>EdePopede, please paste command and output after every i tried and it did not work. It helps us to track down your problem...
10:44<EdePopede>uid out, gid out: "ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/F" ... as always
10:44<user1>probably also the group of you user
10:45<EdePopede>it is always the same output. unless i do.. exactly whatever i tried before, but then it still won't work
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10:45<user1>if theres a fixed user that will execute the mount that would do i guess
10:45<user1>otherwise i dont really know
10:45<wompa>EdePopede, the manpage of fstab doesn't mention any "users" option, only "user" and "nouser"
10:45<daemonkeeper>Also reading the errors helps. ntfs says the calling users can't write to /mnt/F, not that the resulting mount is not writable by it.
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10:45<mtn>EdePopede: have you read this: http://linuxconfig.org/How_to_mount_partition_with_ntfs_file_system_and_read_write_access
10:46<user1>maybe mount has some option be smart and detect the user actually executing the mount or youll have to look into fuse i guess
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10:46<EdePopede>mtn: no. and i think i didn't hear of this domain before
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10:47<mtn>EdePopede: first google search result :P
10:47<EdePopede>i google half the day
10:47<daemonkeeper>user1: That's why most/all modern desktops use a mount assistant.
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10:48<user1>true
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10:49<daemonkeeper>That link is quite outdated.
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10:50<pajaro>EdePopede, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NTFS-3G
10:50<pajaro>:P
10:51<EdePopede>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ntfs/ <<< this works for normal users?
10:51<pajaro>By default, the ntfs-3g driver enable write support for root only. To enable user writing, use the dmask parameter to enable user writing:
10:51<daemonkeeper>EdePopede: No it doesn't.
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10:51<EdePopede>that's from http://linuxconfig.org/How_to_mount_partition_with_ntfs_file_system_and_read_write_access
10:51<uberdub>crossing my fingers 3.2 runs ok....
10:51<pajaro>no offense... but debian wiki sucks :) i tend to look into arch ones
10:51<daemonkeeper>That's why I and several people told you to use /etc/fstab and the "user" option.
10:53<pajaro>EdePopede, the other guide you should read http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-manual/
10:53<erann>pajaro: the Gentoo documentation is pretty good too.
10:53<uberdub>does anyone know if wheezy has nvidia 304.60 driver?
10:53<erann>(Probably a side-effect of having a lot of time to write while compiling stuff)
10:53<SynrG>wtf? we're still on this?
10:53<pajaro>erann, yup i make no distintion... dont know much about arch/gentoo but the good wiki :D
10:53<EdePopede>pajaro: i looked on (wiki.)debian.org – of course i didn't think of other distros...
10:53<user1>yep :D
10:54<EdePopede>pajaro: there is a link to ntfs-3g in the man page (outdated, redirects to tuxera)
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10:54<pajaro>EdePopede, understandable... :) is what the arch wiki dmask tells you to do outdated too?
10:55<EdePopede>ntfs-3g 2010.3.6 February 2010 NTFS-3G(8) <<< no need for tuxera: package installed && man installed => manpage available
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10:56<bluewater>umount /media/xdxx
10:56<bluewater>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxyyzz[etc] /media/xdxx
10:56<pajaro>EdePopede, cool... i wanted you to look into the commands showed here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NTFS-3G
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10:57<pajaro>man page was only for more specifics
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10:57<EdePopede>mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb3 on /mnt/F << ok, at least with defaults in fastab something new appears
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10:57<uberdub>seems only sid has the latest nvidia driver
10:57<pajaro>bluewater, he wants to be able to do that as an user, without root privilages
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10:57*daemonkeeper says "user" option for the third time and whistles.
10:57<wompa>EdePopede, I have no idea what's in your fstab
10:58<EdePopede>http://paste.debian.net/205818/
10:58<EdePopede>oh
10:58<wompa>EdePopede, I don't see "defaults" there
10:58<bluewater>pajaro: k
10:58<EdePopede>forget it, i commented out everything. someone wanted to see the magic without any entries
10:59<EdePopede>because this is the fstab i used for the last... at least month
10:59<daemonkeeper>wompa: obviously "defaults" is not needed, because they are ... default. You only need defaults if you don't add something else in order to keep the row based syntax parseable.
10:59<daemonkeeper>*column based
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11:00<wompa>ah
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11:00<daemonkeeper>His problem is users. Which is a byte more than "user" (which I say the fourth time now)
11:01<wompa>I already told him there is no mention of "users" in the manpage, only "user" and "nouser"
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11:01<EdePopede>and as i mentioned before: none of both works
11:01<EdePopede>user does not work
11:01<EdePopede>users does not work
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11:01<wompa>EdePopede, you have not pasted any other version of your fstab
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11:01<daemonkeeper>user will work. Everything else is another problem.
11:01<EdePopede>ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/F <<< default text from mount
11:01<wompa>EdePopede, you have not pasted any other command or output what so ever
11:01<daemonkeeper>[15:45] <daemonkeeper> Also reading the errors helps. ntfs says the calling users can't write to /mnt/F, not that the resulting mount is not writable by it.
11:02<EdePopede>wompa: it is empty now. both disks completely commented out
11:02<EdePopede>so /mnt must be 777?
11:02<wompa>EdePopede, good luck rebooting without any entries in fstab
11:02<EdePopede>reboot? why should i?
11:02<wompa>Sudden power loss
11:02<SynrG>no, /mnt is not where you hang mounts
11:02<SynrG>sorry
11:02<pajaro>EdePopede, just follow daemonkeeper instructions... the rest were just making time for him to be able to step in.. for serious
11:02<EdePopede>and i need root only anyway
11:03<SynrG>it's a single temporary mount point
11:03<daemonkeeper>EdePopede: No. /mnt/F must be writable by the user which tries to mount your NTFS stuff.
11:03<SynrG>normally some agent (udisks, i think?) handles automatically creating mountpoints in /media as needed
11:03<SynrG>based on the label of the filesystem
11:03<EdePopede>wompa: had one only 1 time in all those years. chances are better to get the jackpot
11:03<daemonkeeper>777 will work, but changing ownership to the user is better.
11:03<daemonkeeper>SynrG: Yes, but he doesn't want to use anything alike.
11:04<SynrG>udisks doesn't need to be run as a daemon
11:04<pajaro>chown mount point... i told him to do that at the very beggining of this
11:04<SynrG>can be run from the commandline
11:04<daemonkeeper>pajaro: We all did.
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11:04<wompa>EdePopede, why do you even have a Windows partition if you don't even reboot your computer into.. I don't know.. Windows?
11:04<SynrG>read the damned FHS. /mnt/blah is just wrong
11:04<EdePopede>in suse all users were in group users. in debian users all have their own group. besides those from /etc/group. and i actually am in fuse
11:05<EdePopede>because this computer came with windows installed years ago?
11:05<SynrG>/mnt is a *single* mountpoint for a temporary filesystem
11:05<daemonkeeper>SynrG: *shrug* The FHS is mandatory to distributions (who care). Users can do whatever they want.
11:05<SynrG>whatever
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11:05<EdePopede>when i started with linux, there was /mnt and nothing else
11:05<daemonkeeper>Yeah, well, we're not in 1998 anymore.
11:05<EdePopede>my other linux partitions (data!) also belong to /media?
11:06<EdePopede>anyway, the mount point is the problem?
11:06<daemonkeeper>The permissions of /mnt/F are the problem.
11:06<SynrG>users cannot mount to mountpoints they can't write to, yes
11:06<EdePopede>the driver can't mount to /mnt/whatever?
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11:06<daemonkeeper>The driver can. You don't allow your user to.
11:07<pajaro>EdePopede, try this one command --> sudo apt-get install pastebinit; ls -l /mnt|pastebinit;cat /etc/fstab|pastebinit; mount |pastebinit
11:07<EdePopede>hm, i started that application yesterday that shows how full the disk is... better said shows all the files on the partition, don't remember the name
11:07*daemonkeeper hands pajaro pastebunit < /etc/fstab
11:07<SynrG>useless use of cat detected
11:07<daemonkeeper>*pastebinit
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11:07<daemonkeeper>SynrG: Faster!
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11:08<lduros>are the debian-mips mipsel versions still active?
11:08<pajaro>so its not useless but faster
11:08<pajaro>xD
11:08<daemonkeeper>It's both useless and faster :p
11:09<SynrG>what?
11:09<pajaro>when something achieve whats looking for i wouldnt use useless xD
11:09<pajaro>by the very definition of useless
11:09<daemonkeeper>SynrG: cat us useless not using cat is faster :p
11:09<SynrG>right.
11:10<SynrG>looked like someone had it turned around :)
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11:10<pajaro>what?
11:10<daemonkeeper>what what?
11:10<pajaro>cat us useless?
11:10<daemonkeeper>In your example it is.
11:11<pajaro>cat /etc/fstab or just using cat?
11:11<SynrG>cat filename | foo instead of foo < filename is useless.
11:11<daemonkeeper>cat foo | bar is equally and faster written as bar < foo, pajaro
11:11<SynrG>get yourself out of that habit. it makes you look like a noob :)
11:11<SynrG>(and it's more typing)
11:11<pajaro>SynrG, i am a noob
11:11<pajaro>xD
11:11<SynrG>i'm trying to pull you out of that ;)
11:12<Sidicas>lduros: They should be... It's still listed as supported on the Debian wiki
11:12<pajaro>okay i will follow, but i like to have my noob tag mark so ppl dont expect too much
11:12<Maulkin>pajaro: Have a read of http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html
11:12<lduros>Sidicas: hmm the debian-mips mailing list still seems active yeh
11:12<lduros>:-)
11:12<EdePopede>| is anoying on german keyboard
11:13<lduros>but a lot of it seems to be spammy
11:13<Sidicas>lduros: I think there just aren't many mips users.. However mips and mipsel is still supported in the upcoming Wheezy release
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11:13<lduros>Sidicas: cool
11:13<pajaro><SynrG> cat filename | foo instead of foo < filename is useless --> anyway useless means of no use... and it did work... noobish and less efficient, but not useless x)
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11:14<daemonkeeper>pajaro: It's useless in a sense that this use of cat is redundant and slower to the alternative.
11:14<SynrG>pajaro: Maulkin's link explains. i'm not the one who first called it "useless"
11:14<SynrG>this is an age old bit of wisdom
11:15<daemonkeeper>Shared by the eldest of the Internet to applicants about to enter the inner circle
11:15<SynrG>exactly. so bask in it
11:16<pajaro>Maulkin, as a matter of fact i have read that link... but at a time i was even noober to remember to follow those
11:17*Maulkin smiles
11:17<pajaro>as i said, me looking as noob is no coincidence
11:17<SynrG>/nick pajaro_noob
11:17<wompa>EdePopede, also a new kernel version may be a reason to reboot
11:17<SynrG>wear it with pride, then :)
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11:19<SynrG>knowing that all hell isn't going to break loose the next time you do a major upgrade (whether or not a kernel was involved) upon the next reboot is a good reason to reboot. (in an ideal world, nothing goes wrong; but given a choice between "now, during a quiet time" and "later, when i'm at home ... on vacation ... and a power outage happens" ...
11:19<SynrG>i'll choose the controlled shutdown/reboot during quiet time every time
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11:20<SynrG>dick-sizing based on uptime is so 1990s
11:20<wompa>EdePopede, if you are using Gnome it might have been GNOME disk usage analyzer : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/baobab
11:21<themill>dpkg, qotd277 is <reply> <SynrG> dick-sizing based on uptime is so 1990s
11:21<dpkg>okay, themill
11:21<user1>i have no idea but it wasnt ncdu that i am sure of :D
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11:21<EdePopede>who ordered a paste? http://paste.debian.net/205870/
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11:22<EdePopede>wompa: nope. there where squares, not a tart
11:22<pajaro>anybody that you want them to be able to help you really
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11:24<pajaro>EdePopede, sudo chown EdePopede:EdePopede /mnt/F
11:24<wompa>EdePopede, check the similar packages links on the right
11:24<EdePopede>ah, it was gdmap
11:24<wompa>ok
11:25<EdePopede>and it was able to create (and it did!) a directory in /mnt for the usb stick that was inserted at that time
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11:27<EdePopede><EdePopede> ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Die Operation ist nicht erlaubt
11:27<EdePopede><EdePopede> User doesn't have privilege to mount. For more information please see: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#unprivileged <<< pajaro, i tried this before, and also chmod 777. same effect
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11:29<user1>that link is so damn useless -.-
11:29<pajaro>okay daemonkeeper, we need you to step in again
11:29*pajaro summons daemonkeeper
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11:32<daemonkeeper>allow_other
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11:33<EdePopede>maybe i should join #exorcism :\
11:33*pajaro mumbles allow_other master?
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11:34<daemonkeeper>pajaro: http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.ntfs-3g see "allow_other"
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11:37<EdePopede>allow_other or user_allow_other? both mentioned in the manpage
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11:40<pajaro>user_allow_other
11:40<pajaro>id say
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11:40<pajaro>in /etc/fuse.conf
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11:41<daemonkeeper>To override the default or whatever is given in the command line. That's not required.
11:41<EdePopede>tried both, again both times the same message from 12' ago. comment in fuse.conf looks like "setting options allows users to set another option"?
11:41<pajaro>oh, i see
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11:43<EdePopede># Allow non-root users to specify the 'allow_other' or 'allow_root' mount options. <<< i don't find allow_ in none of both manpages, only that one short text to allow_other
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11:47<EdePopede>i think i need some fresh air and something that is not my monitor in my view area... afk for a while..
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12:00<koolneel>hi
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12:37<mv>hey folks, questiona bout LiveUSB install, essentially if using an unstable .img file from live.debian.net how does one actually use the LiveUSB to do the install?
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12:43<retrospectacus>!live
12:43<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org.
12:43<mv>ahh thanks
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12:54<wi11s>test
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12:56<wi11s>I have a question.. I use apt-get purge to unistall programs, but some archieves still remain... how can i completly unistall a program?
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12:58<retrospectacus>wi11s: apt-get purge is correct. Can you explain what is happening more specifically?
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12:58<wi11s>sure
12:58<wi11s>well, i just unistalled audacity, but if i put locate audacity, it still finds some archieves
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12:59<mv>wills are you seeing archives under a directory .audacity in your home directory?
13:00<retrospectacus>wi11s: "locate" uses a database/index that must be re-generated if you want it to reflect the actual files on the PC -with "updatedb"
13:01<retrospectacus>also there will be a .deb file in /var/cache/apt/archives which it installed from earlier
13:01<wi11s>i get udacity.desktop and audacity.png
13:01<wi11s>/usr/share/app-install/desktop/audacity.desktop
13:01<wi11s>/usr/share/app-install/icons/audacity.png
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13:02<retrospectacus>the command " dpkg -S /usr/share/app-install/desktop/audacity.desktop " will tell you why that file is there
13:02<retrospectacus>it's not part of the audacious package
13:02<retrospectacus>*city
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13:03<wi11s>when i unistalled compiz in my other pc, i used locate and it had a lot of archieves with compiz
13:03<wi11s>so i thought i was doing something wrong
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13:05<retrospectacus>wi11s: again, "locate" does not search files. it scans an index that was created earlier
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13:06<wi11s>i tried updatedb and it says can not open a temporary file
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13:06<Nemoder>it needs to be run as root
13:06<wi11s>a ok
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13:07<wi11s>is there any command i can use to search files, to check if it really deleted all?
13:07<Nemoder>'find'
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13:08<Nemoder>which I believe is what updatedb uses to create it's index
13:09<wi11s>with update db, using locate shows more archieves than before
13:10<wi11s>and find command is not working
13:10<retrospectacus>wi11s: they are just files, not "archieves" or even archives
13:10<retrospectacus>wi11s: what are you actually trying to do?
13:11<wi11s>just want to uninstall programs without letting files behind
13:11<retrospectacus>wi11s: "man find" or http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind for how to use that
13:11<retrospectacus>wi11s: "purge" does that.
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13:12<wi11s>k Thanks !
13:13<retrospectacus>wi11s: "dpkg -L foo" will tell you files that were created by the foo package. "dpkg -S /usr/blah" will tell you what package created the /usr/blah file
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13:14<wi11s>if I use autoremove they will be cleared?
13:15<wi11s>sorry about my noob questions, im new in linux
13:15<retrospectacus>wi11s: apt-get --purge autoremove
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13:16<Nemoder>wi11s: as retro said just because a filename has the word 'audacity' in it doesn't mean that it came from the audacity package. you need to use dpkg -S to find what package it came from
13:17<wi11s>right
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13:17<wi11s>im trying to check what it is
13:18<wi11s>dpkg -S /home/wi11s/.audacity-data
13:18<dpkg>You Fool! /home/wi11s/.audacity-data is installed!
13:18<wi11s>dpkg: /home/wi11s/.audacity-data not found.
13:18<retrospectacus>the ones you mentioned are in "app-install" which provides a lot of icons and desktop shortcuts for popular programs, even if they are not installed.
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13:19<retrospectacus>wi11s: that your personal audacity settings. you can delete that folder if you like
13:19<towo`>wi11s, no package installs any file in your home
13:19<retrospectacus>it was created by audacity when you ran it, it's not managed by apt/dpkg
13:20<wi11s>mmm so i have to manually delete it?
13:20<retrospectacus>you don't "have to" ... you can if you want
13:20<wi11s>if i dont want that xD
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13:21<wi11s>thought apt would delete all files related to audacity
13:21<wi11s>is i use the purge command
13:21<wi11s>if*
13:22<retrospectacus>not per-user settings like that
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13:24<wi11s>thanks for support! this is great
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14:14<Treadstone__71>Hello
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14:15<retrospectacus>!ask
14:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:19<hmsck>hi
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14:22<jonny>Can any more help with with somthing
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14:22<jonny>whats the command for a notification
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14:23<MrFrood>Jekyll: what type of notification?
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14:23<MrFrood>jonny: ^^^
14:23<jonny>i use wicd
14:24<jonny>wifi manager
14:24<jonny>and i want to know the command it calls
14:24<jonny>for a script im making
14:24<jonny>im using lxde if that helps
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14:25<MrFrood>I've never actually used wifi but hang around now you have asked somebody may answer the question
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14:26<jonny>do you know the one ubuntu uses
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14:26<jonny>its the same one
14:26<retrospectacus>it uses notification-daemon but I am not sure how to send messages to it
14:27<MrFrood>I'm stricktly wired
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14:27<user1_>notify-send caption text
14:27<jonny>tryed that i get this
14:27<jonny>bash: notify-sent: command not found
14:27<user1_>hmmm
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14:28<jonny>its installed though as i can do notification-properties
14:28<MrFrood>is the daemon installed?
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14:28<FragByte>jonny: you need to have "libnotify-bin" installed and it's "notify-send"
14:28<jonny>one sec ill run it though apt-get
14:29<user1_>apt-get install libnotify-bin
14:29<jonny>installing...
14:30<user1_>at least thats what apt-file says notify-send is
14:30<user1_>*where
14:31<jonny>works works now Guys thanks
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14:31<retrospectacus>seems most programs use libnotify4 or another libnotify for their language. libnotify-bin is what you want to be able to do it from sh :)
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14:35<jonny>also do any of you guys use Pidgin?
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14:35<retrospectacus>!ask
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14:36<user1_>you could also track down notify-more.py if you need buttons in your popups but its not that great since it has to run in background to keep the button working
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14:36<jonny>!ask do any of you guys know how to make the pidgin im window flash?
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14:38<retrospectacus>jonny: Message Notification plugin
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14:41<kminooie> hi everyone I am having some problem with autofs-ldalp and libsasl packages in backport and testing repos. the current autofs-ldap is 5.0.7-3 0 and it requires libsasl >= 2.1.24 which only exist in testing and that by itself requires libc6-dev again from testing which i assume installing it would break a whole lot of dependencies. now my problem is how the hell am i suppose to install autofs without moving my system entirely
14:43<kminooie>any suggestion would be really appreciated
14:43<gnugr>kminooie:did you mix stable and testing repositories?
14:43<kminooie>I am trying to not do that
14:44<kminooie>but i am using backport
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14:47<retrospectacus>autofs-ldap from backports should be OK with libsasl 2.1.23
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14:50<retrospectacus>s/should be/is/
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14:51<retrospectacus>libsasl2-2: Installed: 2.1.23.dfsg1-6 ''apt-get -t squeeze-backports install autofs-ldap'' - no problem
14:52<retrospectacus>!tell kminooie about bat
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14:56<gnugr>on squeeze-backports there is also autofs-ldap/buffer 62
14:56<kminooie>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:56<kminooie> autofs-ldap : Depends: libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.24) but 2.1.23.dfsg1-7 is to be installed
14:56<kminooie>E: Broken packages
14:56<gnugr>ooops
14:56<gnugr>sorry
14:57<retrospectacus>kminooie: http://paste.debian.net -- all of the things in !bat please
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14:58<gnugr>judd show 2 version autofs-ldap for squeeze-backports
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14:58<judd>(show [<channel>] [--id] <regexp>) -- Looks up the value of <regexp> in the triggers database. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. If option --id specified, will retrieve by regexp id, not content.
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14:58<retrospectacus>2?
14:58<gnugr>s/show/shows
14:58<mcprudo>ciao
14:58<retrospectacus>,i autofs-ldap --release=squeeze-backports
14:58<judd>Package autofs-ldap (utils, extra) in squeeze-backports/i386: LDAP map support for autofs. Version: 5.0.7-3~bpo60+1; Size: 91.3k; Installed: 228k; Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v5/
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14:59<kminooie>http://paste.debian.net/205946/
14:59<gnugr>try with ,v
15:00<gnugr>,v autofs-ldap
15:00<judd>Package: autofs-ldap on i386 -- lenny: 4.1.4+debian-2.1; squeeze-backports: 5.0.6-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 5.0.7-3~bpo60+1; sid: 5.0.7-3; wheezy: 5.0.7-3
15:00<retrospectacus>kminooie: like I said... apt-get -t squeeze-backports install autofs-ldap
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15:01<kminooie>retrospectacus: if you look at the link i just posted you see that autofs-ldap is comming from backport but it requires libsasl that only exist in testing
15:02<retrospectacus>no, it's coming from wheezy because you didn't type "-t squeeze-backports"
15:04<retrospectacus>you should just remove wheezy from your sources list. It's not supported to mix wheezy and squeeze.
15:05<kminooie>retrospectacus: yup it worked thanks
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15:07<kminooie>i am not mixing it, not really, it is there because i need libssl1 which only exist in testing but that is the only package that I am using from testing. thanks every one
15:08<retrospectacus>there is no "libssl1" but you should remove it anyways. Whatever you have installed from there will stay
15:08<kminooie>now that you pointed out the problem seems to be that i had wrong pin number for backports which was lower than testing
15:10<kminooie>libssl1.0.0 the one in squeeze is libssl0.9.8 ( I am using gluster and it needs ssl1 )
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15:13<kminooie>bye
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15:47<user__>yA des francais ?
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15:47<Hydroxide>!fr
15:47<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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15:49<dev>hi
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16:00<dev>does anyone ever talk on here
16:00<user__>ya des francais ?
16:00<dev>nice to meet you user
16:01<dev>i don't speak your language, but good day to you all the same
16:02<user__>do you speak french ?
16:02<towo`>dev, this is a support channel
16:02<dev>oh sorry xD
16:02<towo`>dev, if no one wants support, no one speaks
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16:03<dev>well good day
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16:09<jesperv>Hi all, I have made a backup of a cf card using dd and now i want to mount that file. It consists of 3 ext3 filesystems. Is that possible?
16:10<SynrG>yes
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16:10<Cranvil>jesperv: I would suggest reading through the losetup manuals.
16:10<@Ganneff>your google term is "loop mount"
16:11<jesperv>thanks
16:11<SynrG>fdisk -ul nameoffile
16:11<SynrG>multiply start by sector size (often, but not always 512)
16:12<SynrG>this gives you an offset in bytes. mount -o loop,offset=# nameoffile mountpoint
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16:16<jesperv>SynrG: That worked like a charm. Thank you very much and have a nice weekend :-)
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17:38<safinaskar>hi. i use squeeze. i am listening some song now on my comp. but when i type "dpkg -l 'alsa*'" or "dpkg -l 'pulse*'", it outputs nothing. so, how does audio work on my system?
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17:41<simonlnu>alsa utils are user space thingies to interact with the kernel to hardware space
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17:43<vook>How do I designate that a new init script be started late in the boot process ?
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17:45<retrospectacus>!tell vook about lsb tags
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17:48<retrospectacus>safinaskar: try "dpkg -l |egrep 'alsa|pulse' "
17:48<vook>thanks
17:49<retrospectacus>safinaskar: what you put should work too though.
17:50<retrospectacus>vook: if your script is very simple and doesn't require a "stop" action you may consider putting it in /etc/rc.local or an @reboot cronjob
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17:52<vook>it's a simple script - just something to force an AoE drive to mount (doesn't work in fstab). It does need to be properly unmounted though.
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17:52<zw0xyz>hello
17:52<zw0xyz>I am kind of new to irc
17:53<retrospectacus>!irc tutorial
17:53<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
17:53<zw0xyz>ty man
17:54<zw0xyz>or girl
17:54<zw0xyz>what ever
17:54<simonlnu>ty is enough :)
17:54<safinaskar>retrospectacus: thanks
17:54<zw0xyz>is there any good rooms where i can get help with my bash scripting?
17:55<simonlnu>#bash on freenode network
17:55<zw0xyz>I am kind of stuck
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17:57<austin_>hello
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17:57<retrospectacus>hello lacrosse1991
17:58<simonlnu>lacrosse? :)
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18:00<lacrosse1991>@simonlnu yep although im more of a cross country person now lol :)
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18:06<vook>ya, I'm having trouble getting an ATA over Ethernet raid (coraid) to mount on boot - even after setting up a script. It won't mount from fstab (which apparently is a known limitation), but the init script issue is confusing. After boot, if I run the init script (/etc/init.d/coraid start), it mounts.
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18:07<vook>I guess I should try rc.local too...
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18:07<simonlnu>my granddad was a lacrosse champ
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18:08<dondelelcaro>vook: that sounds like you should probably try to start it after the interface comes up from an up rule
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18:09<dondelelcaro>vook: unfortunately, dependency based booting has made some of this more difficult.
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18:09<vook>It's currently assigned in /etc/rc2.d as S18xxxx (using # Required-Start: $local_fs $all
18:10<pajaro>aptitude search ~b reports several packages broken... how can i see why are they broken?
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18:10<vook>it's one of the last entries, only rc.local, rmnologin, and stop-bootlogd follow
18:10<vook>maybe I should add a 30 second sleep to the script
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18:11<dondelelcaro>vook: a slightly better method may be to just sleep in a loop for the remote host to become available
18:11<dondelelcaro>vook: with a possible timeout if it isn't available
18:12<dondelelcaro>vook: that way you'll mount the filesystem as soon as you can, and be flexible if the delay needed is slightly longer than 30 seconds, say.
18:12<vook>it isn't a remote host - it's a just network attached storage - once the interface is up, the coraid is up.
18:12<dondelelcaro>vook: but presumably you need an ip address?
18:12<lacrosse1991>@simonlnu neat, its a great sport :)
18:12<vook>no - just etherd (aoe module)
18:13<dondelelcaro>ah, right
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18:14<dondelelcaro>vook: depending on $networking $local_fs should really be enough.... but it's sort of odd that it isn't working. It's possible that it takes a second for the physical interface to link up
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18:14<vook>yes, it boots pretty fast. I'll see in a sec if 'sleep 30' helped.
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18:15<dondelelcaro>vook: I suppose you could just have a loop checking for ip link show eth0 |grep -q 'state UP';
18:15<dondelelcaro>vook: and once that happened, try mounting the device
18:16<vook>that's a thought..
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18:23<sencillos001>ciao
18:24<BlackList>ciao sencillos001
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18:33<erann>Here is a question. I've configured my laptop to power on using Wake on LAN. Everything is working fine, I can control it with etherwake from here, but when it starts booting, it tries to use PXE and it takes about 4 minutes before it gives up and actually boots. Can I disable this?
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18:38<retrospectacus>erann: that is in the boot settings in the laptop BIOS
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18:39<erann>retrospectacus: I'm looking there, but the only related option I can find enables/disables PXE completely. :(
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18:39<retrospectacus>disable it
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18:40<retrospectacus>afaik WOL and PXE are not dependent
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18:42<erann>retrospectacus: As a last resort, I will. I suppose I can just re-enable it later, should it be needed (to install another OS or something).
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18:44<retrospectacus>... for sure
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18:47<erann>Thanks, retrospectacus, it boots faster now. :-)
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19:32<kminooie>where did everybody go?
19:32<kminooie>this room was full of people 2 hours ago?
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19:33<retrospectacus>there are still uhh almost 500 people here
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19:34<kminooie>ohh well then something must be wrong with my client cause it is showing only 2 people in the room :)
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19:34<retrospectacus>#debian: Total of 498 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 495 normal]
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19:37<kminooie>anyway so i have question about apt. I am using apt-cacher for my network so i don't want the individual apt keep a copy of the packages on their computer locally (/var/cache/apt ) the solution that i found was to have this in apt.conf (well in my case in apt.conf.d ) => Dir::Cache { Archives ""; }; but now all the packages ( *.deb ) end up on the root file system ('/' ). what am i doing wrong?
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19:39<zykotick9>kminooie: personally, i'd just suggest running "apt-get clean" on a regular basis on the machines, i believe the DEBs MUST be downloaded in order to be installed.
19:39<kminooie>:))
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19:39<kminooie>i would imagine that to be true yes
19:39<retrospectacus>yep
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19:40<kminooie>but I am sure there is a way to have apt remove them after it is done with them
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19:40<kminooie>or i might be wrong. i guess that is what i am asking.
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19:42<retrospectacus>kminooie: there might be. like zykotick9 said "apt-get clean" will delete them
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19:44<kminooie>so you suggest to have like a cronjob that would call "apt-get clean" instead of messing around with apt? yaeh i guess that would work too
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19:45<erann>kminooie: have you tried Dir::Cache { pkgcache ""; } ?
19:45<fix>I suggest crontabbing all apt-get update/upgrade to ensure you have the latest security updates and patches
19:45<fix>imho
19:46<erann>(note: I may be wrong, I haven't tried this, but 'man apt.conf' seems to suggest it's the way to turn it off)
19:46<zykotick9>fix: i'd suggest always being present, watching updates myself...
19:46<fix>^ thats what syslog is for
19:46<fix>and you cant always be present for a webserver
19:46<fix>but you must make sure the webserver is patched\
19:47<kminooie>well from time to time debconf would want to ask you questions so i prefer to do it in person as well
19:48<retrospectacus>I only run apt-get upgrade when a new release comes out. But I'm lazy and crazy
19:48<kminooie>I haven't triked pkgcache .but i will in about 5 mins :) . thanks for the hint
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19:50*retrospectacus checks what upgrade says now, just for fun...
19:50<retrospectacus>883 to upgrade, 500 not upgraded
19:51<retrospectacus>ain't nobody got time for that
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19:51<kminooie>also a new kernel has been release apparently in the last 4 hours so ... :)
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19:52<retrospectacus>my kernel is from June 8 2011... 2.6.39 :)
19:52<kminooie>:) you are a very brave man
19:53<retrospectacus>quite the opposite
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19:53<retrospectacus>you'd have to be very brave to try running the 4-hour-old kernel
19:54<retrospectacus>I have work to do and services to serve
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19:57<kminooie>yeah but it is debian hours so in human times it is from 3 years ago so :)
19:57<retrospectacus>so...
19:58<kminooie>it is been tested to death
19:58<retrospectacus>of course, that's why it's in stable
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19:59<retrospectacus>well, I must have got it from backports awhile ago. Stable still has 2.6.32
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20:00<kinch>hey
20:00<retrospectacus>hoy
20:00<kinch>how are you?
20:01<retrospectacus>It's beer o'clock on Friday. Great of course
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20:01<kinch>hehe I see
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20:02<kinch>you wouldn't happen to be able to help me with usb wifi card driver installation, would you?
20:03<retrospectacus>only if it's for Debian, and the robot knows about it.
20:03<kinch>Debian of course and the robot?
20:03<kinch>online repository?
20:04<retrospectacus>well, you tell me what device it is, and I'll ask the robot to tell us how to install it
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20:04<kinch>a TP-link model num TL-W722N
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20:06<kinch>who is the mysterious robot?
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20:08<kinch>well I'll be back in an hour and a half or so
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20:08<kinch>gotta meeting :|
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20:31<linuxmedia>denn schief jungs?
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20:32<linuxmedia>was läuft denn schief jungs?
20:32<devil_>linuxmedia: english please
20:32<linuxmedia>whats wrong?
20:32<devil_>with?
20:32<linuxmedia>debian
20:32<devil_>why would there be something wrong?
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20:33<linuxmedia>mageia linux is better them
20:33<devil_>well, then use it
20:33<linuxmedia>on distrowatch
20:33<retrospectacus>who cares
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20:33<devil_>do you think, distrowatch has anything to do with quality?
20:33<linuxmedia>you are right
20:34<linuxmedia>very well
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20:34<devil_>and mageia is a goos distribution
20:34<devil_>good, even
20:34<linuxmedia>debian is a stablest distro of al distros
20:34<linuxmedia>all
20:34<linuxmedia>sry
20:35<adb>go d-offtopic
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20:36<kminooie>so Dir::Cache { pkgcache ""; }; didn't work . guess cronjob is the way to go
20:37<erann>Ouch. Thanks for reporting back anyway, kminooie. :-)
20:38<linuxmedia>mandriva is on a second ranking in distrowatch and no mageia
20:38<linuxmedia>thats it
20:38<linuxmedia>sry
20:38<linuxmedia>but its so
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20:40<kminooie>:) stop watching distrowatch . everyone has his/her taste. if you know and like your distro you re not gonna care how popular it is or isn't
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20:41<retrospectacus>yeah. If windows was there it would be at the top. Do you think it's the best?
20:41<kminooie>if are trying to choose distro based on its popularity, you have bigger problem :)
20:41<linuxmedia>but i have tasted them
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20:41<linuxmedia>mandriva is very stable as more then mageia
20:41<linuxmedia>sry
20:42<linuxmedia>:)
20:44<linuxmedia>very good think to you kminooie
20:44<linuxmedia>you are right
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20:46<lowlifer>join #python
20:46<linuxmedia>retrospectacus: thats no windows
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20:46<linuxmedia>he hehehe windowas
20:46<retrospectacus>linuxmedia: you're windows
20:46<linuxmedia>what is windows
20:47<linuxmedia>:)
20:47<retrospectacus>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work.
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20:47<linuxmedia>hahahaha
20:48<retrospectacus>thank you and good night!
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20:48<linuxmedia>i am a ditrouser
20:48<linuxmedia>not windows
20:49<linuxmedia>kminooie understood this
20:49<kminooie>:) that was funny I am gonna steel that ;)
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20:49<linuxmedia>cool
20:50<linuxmedia>i come from german+my engklish is bad s
20:50<linuxmedia>sry for this
20:50<kminooie>no problem you doing just fine
20:50<linuxmedia>thanx
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20:51<linuxmedia>:)
20:51<linuxmedia>windows hehehehe
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20:51<linuxmedia>only for games thats it
20:51<kminooie>have a good weekend everybody. gotta go
20:51<linuxmedia>and not for other problems
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20:52<linuxmedia>but linux have wine
20:53<linuxmedia>or playonlix
20:53<linuxmedia>playonlinux
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21:07<sosoman>hello
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21:07<sosoman>how i can join ubuntu roomchat?
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21:09<simonlnu>it's on freenode, #ubuntu
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21:14<simonlnu>(other than the horrible typos and bad spelling)
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21:54<Scriptonaut>Hey do you guys know a good channel for C programming on UNIX systems?
21:54<Scriptonaut>for asking questions
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22:03<lacrosse1991>im currently using a debian machine as a router for my network, would it be possible to install snort as an ids for the internal/external network on the same machine without having to isntall an additional network adapter?
22:04<lacrosse1991>also i tried the snort channel, but they want nothing to do with me apparently
22:04<lacrosse1991>(or it might just be newcomers in general)
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22:08<zykotick9>lacrosse1991: i had snort running on an old machine under smoothwall, years back - without an "extra" nic...
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22:09<Golfgeo>Hi all
22:10<lacrosse1991>neat :) did you just tell it to listen on the same interface as the network you were monitoring? (eth1 for instance) or did you need to take additional steps to make it work correctly?
22:12<zykotick9>lacrosse1991: i've never played with snort on debian. under smoothwall it was all automatic basically... best of luck.
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22:12<lacrosse1991>ok thanks for the info
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23:17<greeneyesnot>Hello guys
23:17<Kinch_away>greetings
23:18-!-Kinch_away is now known as Kinch
23:18<greeneyesnot>I just installed debian , and now after booting I get <myusername login :>
23:18<Kinch>did you set a uname on the install?
23:18<greeneyesnot>I don't think it is asking for the password, either that or I just forgot the passwords I used with it
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23:19<greeneyesnot>I remember there was username and root name or something ?
23:19<Kinch>It'll prompt for the password after
23:19<greeneyesnot>so what should I enter now ? just blank for this line ?
23:19<Kinch>yeah, you'll want to log in as your username you set up during the install
23:19<Kinch>uname and enter
23:20<Kinch>it may ask for a password after that and the characters wont show up
23:20<greeneyesnot>so the username is the same as the username it writes in that line ?
23:20<Kinch>but it's still reading what you're typing
23:21<Kinch>I assume... what is the username?
23:21<greeneyesnot>cause what I see is "nevermind1 login:"
23:21<Kinch>hm
23:21<Kinch>try your username first... I've used ubuntu more than debian
23:21<greeneyesnot>i typed nevermind1 then enter and it asks for the password but it tells me that the login is incorrect
23:21<Kinch>and it asks you for the uname first
23:22<Kinch>hm
23:22<greeneyesnot>so it is not nevermind1 ?
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23:22<Kinch>not sure actually...
23:22<Kinch>I'm a noob myself
23:22<greeneyesnot>actually I did the installation yesterday and kind forgot what stuff did I enter during the installation :x
23:22<greeneyesnot>lol I guess am just going to reformat it now
23:22<Kinch>hehe such is life
23:22<Kinch>reinstalls are shenanigans
23:23<Kinch>I'd suggest asking around more first
23:23<Kinch>if anyone else isn't afk :/
23:23<greeneyesnot>lol I tried to install arch before this and I went insane :x
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23:23<Kinch>lol yeah
23:24<Kinch>arch is crazy
23:24<greeneyesnot>guess I wanted to get with an easier installation
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23:24<greeneyesnot>I went to train on arch then I will settle with gentoo
23:24<Kinch>but you're training on debian instead?
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23:24<simonlnu>greeneyesnot: nevermind1 is the hostname you gave it
23:25<greeneyesnot>no on debian then arch then gentoo
23:25<Kinch>ah
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23:25<greeneyesnot>so hostname is different than username ?
23:25<Kinch>ooohh
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23:25<Kinch>uname@compname basically
23:25<Kinch>jesus I'm burnt out
23:25<simonlnu>login: is well, login. you put your user name there, then it asks for a password, and type that in. there's no *** to show you what you've typed (if at all)
23:26<greeneyesnot>yeah I guess I just forgot my username
23:26<greeneyesnot>did the install while I was half asleep :x
23:26<simonlnu>!i forgot root's password
23:26<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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23:27<simonlnu>though you could do the same for your user. you'll find that in /etc/passwd (it'll be the user with id number 1000)
23:27<Josh__>Does anybody know why 3D acceleration doesn't work? I'm currently using an AMD Radeon HD graphics card with the fglrx drivers
23:27<simonlnu>passwd theusernameyoufound
23:27<simonlnu>to change it
23:27<greeneyesnot>thanks that was helpful
23:27<simonlnu>!radeonhd
23:27<dpkg>radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>.
23:29<Kinch>so... would anyone be able to help me with a usb wifi card driver install?
23:29<simonlnu>Josh__: you'll need to be a little more forthcoming with the info. "why doesn't it work?" isn't very helpful for us
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23:30<Kinch>TP-link TL-WN722N that is
23:30<simonlnu>i don't do wifi, sorry. i imagine you'd need firmware. depends on your hardware
23:30<simonlnu>lspci -nn Kinch
23:31<simonlnu>(in pciutils package)
23:31<Kinch>lsusb you mean?
23:31<Kinch>its usb
23:32<simonlnu>heh, yeh :). doh
23:32<Kinch>hehe
23:32<Kinch>well I'll have to start up my laptop so I can continue the chat
23:32<simonlnu>!tl-wn722n
23:32<dpkg>The TP-LINK TL-WN722N "150Mbps High Gain Wireless USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0cf3:9271). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chip; for support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-WN722N
23:32<Kinch>the debian install is on a partition on this machine
23:33<simonlnu>!tell Kinch about ath9k_htc
23:33<Josh__>simonlnu: I don't really know any other way of putting it. All I know is that 3D acceleration is currently disabled, I'm guessing due to incompatible drivers
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23:33<simonlnu>you'll need to paste up your Xorg.0.log or read it to see what's up (if you understand the gibberish ;)
23:34<simonlnu>it'll say exactly why
23:34<simonlnu>Kinch: the bot sent you a privmsg with some info on how to proceed
23:34<Kinch>ah
23:35<Kinch>well I just realized that I don't have debian installed :/
23:35<simonlnu>do /msg dpkg atheros firmware
23:35<Kinch>was messing with /home partition stuff
23:35<Kinch>kay
23:35<simonlnu>ok
23:35<Kinch>will do install tonight
23:35<simonlnu>!pastebin
23:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
23:35<simonlnu>Josh__: some places you can pastebin to ^^^^
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23:39<Josh__>simonlnu: http://paste.debian.net/206047/
23:39<simonlnu>ty
23:40<simonlnu>Josh__: what kind of radeon? lspci should tell you
23:41<simonlnu>Josh__: it goes to a fallback right away. seems to me it might not be recognising it. and it say RADEON, which implies the FOSS driver, to me anyway
23:41<Josh__>simonlnu: Is this it? VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9641
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23:43<simonlnu>hm. looks like you might need to update the pciids (`update-pciids` as root)
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23:44<Josh__>Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2012-11-03 03:15:02 Anything I should do now?
23:44<simonlnu>re-run lspci
23:45<simonlnu>says*
23:45<simonlnu>my typing sucks today...
23:45<Josh__>Mobility Radeon HD 6620G
23:45<simonlnu>ah there we go.
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23:47<simonlnu>doesn't seem to be on that supported list at all
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23:48<simonlnu>you sure you have fglrx there? how did you install it?
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23:48<Josh__>Synaptic Package Manager
23:49<simonlnu>it says installed for it?
23:49<simonlnu>did you restart xorg?
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23:49<Josh__>Nope
23:49<simonlnu>hm. ok. you might even need to reboot, if you need firmware
23:50<simonlnu>!firmware-linux-nonfree
23:51<Josh__>Thanks for all the help! I'll see if it works after reboot
23:52<simonlnu>ok
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