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00:14<eagle_>hey how are you everybody?.
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00:17<detrout>sleepy and wondering if porting libraries without understanding them is crazy.
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00:23<ghking>hello, I'm using laptop-mode-tools. what does the value returned by "cat /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode"
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00:24<ghking>for example when i run "cat /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode", it returns "2",
00:24<ghking>when i using battery it returns "5"
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00:25<ghking>hello, is there anyone ?
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00:30<xubuntu>hey
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01:47<nobs>hallo, seit ein paar Tagen kann ich unter Debian 6 kein VFAT mehr mounten... nach modprobe vfat steht im dmesg "vfat: Unknown symbol utf8s_to_utf16s_fixed" ... siehe auch http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708965 ... hat jemand einen Tipp für mich?
01:48<stderr>!de
01:48<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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01:49<nemesisfixx>hi all
01:50<themill>nobs: what's the output of "uname -a" and "cat /proc/version"
01:50<nemesisfixx>I have tried using various approaches to recover space on my server
01:50<nemesisfixx>but whenever i clean the apt cache, seems like a few moments later, all deleted
01:50<nemesisfixx>packages are restored!
01:50<nemesisfixx>how should I prevent this from happening?
01:51<themill>nemesisfixx: can you pastebin real commands and their full output that helps us understand what you're seeing?
01:51<nemesisfixx>http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debian-linux-remove-unwanted-packages-and-files-to-reclaim-disk-space.html
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01:52<nemesisfixx>that's guide i was following
01:52<nemesisfixx>http://dpaste.com/1189712/
01:53<nemesisfixx>for a moment, i check the apt cache, and it's empty
01:53<nemesisfixx>next morning, or after couple of hours, i check again, and exim, squid et al are complaining of low space
01:53<nemesisfixx>only to find the *.deb files are back!
01:54<nemesisfixx>like apt keeps restoring them?
01:54<themill>nemesisfixx: there's a bad character in your pastebin there -- your -f is wrong because you've copied it off some crappy website.
01:54<nobs>oops, sorry for german... started two channels at the same time... uname: Linux okami 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux .... proc: Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-41) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012
01:54<themill>nemesisfixx: In any case, I'd suggest using "apt-get clean" rather than rm there.
01:54<peter1138>yes, normally you use apt-get clean
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01:55<nemesisfixx>so it's : apt-get clean PACKAGE_NAME?
01:55<peter1138>no, just apt-get clean
01:55<themill>nemesisfixx: no. apt-get clean.
01:55<themill>dpkg: tell nemesisfixx about debian handbook
01:55<nobs>I cant find any "hold back" packages with apt-get update / upgrade... I run them regularly ...
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01:56<themill>nobs: the error you report is normally because you've not rebooted after a kernel upgrade. What does «(dpkg-query -f'${Version}' -W linux-image-$(uname -r)» say?
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01:58<nobs>themill: I just rebooted... this desktop machine is booted daily ... dpkg says: 2.6.32-48squeeze3
01:59<themill>nobs: the kernel you have installed there doesn't match the one that is running.
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02:01<nemesisfixx>thanks guys
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02:02<nobs>I dont see the modules in /lib/modules but I see the image-package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ... and I used apt-get upgrade ... how to install the new kernel then?
02:03<themill>nobs: what's the output of "aptitude search ~U; aptitude versions ~nlinux-image~i"?
02:04<charlie>hello can anyone help me?
02:04<stderr>Depends what the problem is...
02:05<nobs>themill: http://pastebin.com/nPWTAvtx
02:06<charlie>im a nob sorry i install an update for ubuntu 13.04 and now i get an error message after boot that says No system tray on computer found and my system tray is missing like the time and all that stuff
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02:07<bossdurai>hi
02:07<jm_>!ubuntuirc charlie
02:07<dpkg>charlie: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
02:07<themill>nobs: so you should just "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" and then reboot into the new kernel.
02:08<charlie>thank you
02:08<bossdurai>hello
02:08<themill>nobs: oh, sorry -- you already have it installed but have not rebooted into it
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02:10<nobs>themill: I did reboot as I told... for some reason the kernels since -5 did not get installed ... I can't see why
02:11<jm_>maybe you need to re-generate boot menu/check boot loader settings
02:11<themill>nobs: what do you mean "did not get installed"?
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02:12<nobs>the modules are not in /lib/modules .. and the image is not in boot
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02:12<nobs>I guess just changing the boot menu would break the system
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02:13<themill>nobs: can you pastebin "ls -l /lib/modules"
02:14<nobs>http://pastebin.com/SBQm0JiD I also added the location of the new kernel packages ... there are here, but the are not used
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02:15<themill>nobs: that looks fine to me
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02:17<nobs>but still the problem: I can not use vfat any more... and this did work some days ago...
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02:18<themill>yes, and a kernel update came out in the last couple of days
02:18<charlie>how do i get to the ubuntu help channel?
02:18<themill>charlie: what dpkg said 10 minutes ago
02:19<charlie>i lost it when i rebooted
02:19<charlie>can you give it to me again?
02:19<themill>dpkg: tell charlie about ubuntuirc
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02:20<nobs>one of the rare usefull bots it seems ;-)
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02:26<nobs>might it be the -5-amd is just an "alias" für -48 ? so I am running the newest kernel and this is really a bug in the new version?
02:27<themill>!kernel abi
02:27<dpkg>Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges
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02:27<themill>nobs: you're mixing up the kernel package version and the kernel ABI version here. Yes, the -48 version package should be unpacked into the -5-amd directory.
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02:28<nobs>but then I do run the correct/newest kernel?
02:28<themill>I still believe that you have only just installed this kernel and haven't rebooted into it though. This sort of missing symbol is a classic "kernel on disk has changed" problem
02:28<themill>!reboot required
02:28<dpkg>If you've upgraded your kernel package you need to reboot to start running the new kernel. Unless the <kernel abi> has changed, uname -r doesn't tell you whether this is needed or not, instead compare /proc/version to the package version: if ! grep -q $(dpkg-query -f'${Version}' -W linux-image-$(uname -r)) /proc/version; then echo "Reboot required"; fi
02:28<themill>nobs: ^^ what does that say?
02:28<nobs>this is a command?
02:29<themill>from the : onwards
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02:30<nobs>it says reboot required... but I did just reboot an hour ago... I can do again, but I doubt that solves the problem
02:32<nobs>I reboot now... just to make sure... cu
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02:37<nobs>back... same error in dmesg
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02:38<boudiccas>5 seconds for a reboot? no way! IOW, I dont believe you!
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02:40<stderr>boudiccas: Minutes != seconds.
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02:42<nobs>maybe there is some problem with the grub settings... how to update the boot menu? I just notices I did add memtest and it is in the grub.cfg, but not in the boot menu
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02:43<jm_>update-grub
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02:43<jm_>if it's in grub.cfg then grub may not be loading grub.cfg (in this location perhaps) or perhaps there's an error in it
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02:54<nobs>update-grub ; grub-install ... solved the problem... thanks for the help ... but: shouldn't this be done automatically with an update of the kernel package?
02:55<jm_>by default kernel installation triggers update-grub
02:55<jm_>unless you have of course disabled it
02:56<nobs>how can I check this?
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02:59<jm_>check /etc/kernel-img.conf
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03:01<nobs>do_bootloader = no ... should be yes?
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03:01<jm_>yes
03:01<nobs>ok, thanks
03:01*nobs leaves a jar of cookies here :)
03:02<rodolpho>1871.com
03:03<rodolpho>anyone interested in building a tech company from scratch...email me smrtrod2020@yahoo.com
03:03<themill>rodolpho: wrong channel
03:03<stderr>Mmm... Cookies...
03:03<jm_>no worries
03:03<themill>hmm.. I'm curious as to why update-grub was needed given that the filename of the kernel image wasn't changing. update-grub is only rebuilding the config file not actually reinstalling the bootloader... it's not lilo any more.
03:05<jm_>yeah I suspect it was grub-install that helped
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03:07<nobs>in the grub directory was the memtest, but not in the actual boot menu ... after update-grub and grub-install everything was fine, including vfat ... thats all I can tell you
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03:07<themill>I wonder if we've also changed boot loaders at the same time ;)
03:07<nobs>I did both in one step so I can not tell which part solved which problem
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03:12<Supaplex>themill: it's automagical, in debians own special way. if you're that paranoid about it, update grub in your shutdown scripts. :)
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03:24<alberto_>anonymous...wait a minute. I know you
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03:47<ixi>can someone please explain to me if this is fixed or not http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509116
03:47<ixi>in wheezy I mean
03:47<ixi>because it's definitely NOT fixed in squeeze
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03:57<as20>Can anyone help me how to set up & work to voip SFLphone
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03:59<themill>ixi: unlikely by the looks of it. the fcgid alternative seems to not have this problem and is more popular. It's also free which that package is not.
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04:04<jmmy>I am trying to setup debian 6 and apache2 for SSL, but I can't get it going. SSL connection error
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04:07<jmmy>be back later, nevermind for now
04:09<babilen>jmmy: Doesn't apache2 come with an example configuration for SSL in /etc/apache2/site-available ? This is also discussed in detail in /usr/share/doc/apache*/README.Debian* (can't recall the exact path)
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04:12<ixi>I wasnt able to figure out how to configure fcgid to my needs
04:12<ixi>my fastcgi configuration is literally one line (fastcgiexternal server /path/blah /path/to/unix/socket)
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04:19<jmmy>babilen, thx
04:20<jmmy>babilen, you mean default-ssl?
04:21<jmmy>I edit sites-available/mydomain and put the ssl stuff in there. I will pastebin it. And also I edit ports.conf And I put the certs in the SSL dir, and I enabled SSL. but no luck
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04:22<babilen>jmmy: Yes, I was referring to default-ssl. Have you read README.Debian already, I don't have it available right now, but IIRC it discusses this (and many more) issues in quite some detail?
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04:25<jmmy>babilen, ok thx
04:25<jmmy>http://pastebin.com/Lp2giSb0
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04:27<babilen>dpkg: pastebin.com
04:27<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
04:27<babilen>jmmy: What did you paste?
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04:31<jmmy>babilen, my sites-available/mydomain config file, and my ports.conf file
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04:34<babilen>jmmy: I would be surprised if you'd have to change ports.conf -- But please, read the README.Debian first. I am on quite a slow link here and can't quite open that.
04:35<jmmy>http://paste.debian.net/5294/
04:35<jmmy>babilen, ok thx, I'll read that now
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04:37<jmmy>How do you open the .gz files?
04:38<jmmy>gzip -d
04:38<babilen>jmmy: Either use zless or install lesspipe and uncomment "[ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval "$(lesspipe)"" in your .bashrc
04:39<babilen>jmmy: That allows you to use less (or most or ..) to open .gz files directly
04:39<jmmy>I just cat READ.Debian | less
04:39<jmmy>oh, so I don't need to use gzip -d you mean.
04:39<jm_>vim can also automatically decompress them
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04:40<babilen>jmmy: You don't need that cat! "less /path/to/README.Debian" works just fine. As would "zless /path/to/README.Debian.gz" -- If you have lesspipe and you uncommented the snipped above you could also run "less /path/to/README.Debian.gz"
04:40<babilen>dpkg: tell jmmy -about useless use of cat
04:41<babilen>IOW: You want to enable lesspipe (make sure its installed) and never think about this again
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04:41<jmmy>babilen, oh yeah of course, all these years I've been piping it unnecessarily, lol
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04:43<babilen>jmmy: It is one of the most common antipatterns that you'll find. Typically in the form of "cat foo|grep bar" when "grep bar foo" is all that is needed.
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04:49<bernat>do non-free and contrib have wheezy/updates and wheezy-updates?
04:49<babilen>It's the other way round, and yes.
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04:50<bernat>thanks
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04:53<jmmy>babilen, I love you guys. I got it working
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05:02<jmmy>SSL works in FF and Chrome but not IE
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05:06<rjsalts> anyone know when gnutls added support for elliptic keys?
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05:17<jmmy>apache gives me warnings: NameVirtualHost 198.57.44.159:443 has no VirtualHosts
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05:19<rjsalts>jmmy: you don't have any <VirtualHost 198.57.44.159:443> statements in your config file
05:19<rjsalts>jmmy: you're relying on SNI?
05:20<jmmy>rjsalts, not sure, what is SNI?
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05:20<rjsalts>jmmy: IE6 doesn't support it, but you should be fine on later versions
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05:21<rjsalts>jmmy: server name indicator. If you're doing namevirtualhosts for SSL you either need SNI or to use the same certificate for all hosts with subject alt names or wildcards in your certificate
05:21<jmmy>ok, I fixed it. I just got rid of the ip and put *
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05:23<jmmy>rjsalts, how do I turn off virtual host?
05:25<rjsalts>jmmy: I don't grok what you're asking
05:26<rjsalts>jmmy: what do you mean turn off virtual host?
05:26<jmmy>rjsalts, well my problem is that...it works in FF and Chrome, but not in IE, in IE it gives critical error, and you have click "proceed anyway"
05:27<jmmy>also, it doesn't autoredirect. if I visit http:// it just loads the page, I have to enter https:// to get the ssl version
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05:27<jmmy>I am just trying to setup 1 site on 1 server, so I don't really need virtual hosts
05:28<rjsalts>jmmy: you'd need to redirect to https
05:28<jmmy>But later I might try to add another, but for now I am happy to get just the one working
05:28<jmmy>rjsalts, redirect in programming or server config?
05:28<jmmy>redirect with apache2 config?
05:29<rjsalts>jmmy: so remove the NameVirtualHost *:443 directive and then make sure you only have 1 <VirtualHost *:443> block
05:29<jmmy>rjsalts, which file. I am using default-ssl
05:29<rjsalts>jmmy: redirect with either apache2 or inside your application
05:29<jmmy>oh ports.conf
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05:30<rjsalts>jmmy: any references in /etc/apache2/
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05:30<rjsalts>jmmy: if you have multiple defined in other files, but if you've only turned on default-ssl you should be fine
05:30<jmmy>rjsalts, this is to get it working in IE?
05:31<jmmy>I only have enable default-ssl at the moment
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05:31<rjsalts>jmmy: This is to use ip based virtual hosts for :443
05:31<jmmy>rjsalts, I have it working in FF and Chrome, but in IE, I am getting a critical error
05:31<rjsalts>jmmy: which will mean you don't need SNI, which doesn't work in IE6, but will work in vista and later
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05:32<jmmy>so remove the bottom part in default-ssl that has the IE fix there
05:32<rjsalts>jmmy: what?
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05:34<jmmy>rjsalts, so I have SNI enabled and I have to disable it?
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05:34<jmmy>rjsalts, there is some MSIE code at the bottom of my default-ssl file that come there by default, I didn't touch it
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05:35<jmmy>BrowserMatch "MSIE [2-6]" \
05:35<rjsalts>jmmy: just make sure when you run apachectl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS it doesn't have more than one on 443
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05:36<jmmy>http://paste.debian.net/5299/
05:37<rjsalts>jmmy: you didn't remove the NameVirtualHost *:443
05:38<jmmy>rjsalts, remove it from where?
05:38<rjsalts>jmmy: ports.conf? grep for it. rgrep NameVirtualHost /etc/apache2
05:38<rjsalts>home time
05:39<jmmy>thx for you help
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05:42<jmmy>rjsalts, yep, I deleted it, and its still working, but IE is still giving critical error
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05:43<valentin>python
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05:44<Supaplex>snake snake snake snaaaaaake
05:44<Supaplex>!start a browser war
05:44<dpkg>Mosaic is more secure than telnet hostname 80!
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05:58<amoe_>Hi, using pulseaudio, is there any way to mute the speaker output regardless of whether headphones are plugged in, but keep the headphone output?
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06:07<nfisher>Hi all! is it possible to have a few selected packages being updated through 'sid' or 'experimental' whilst the rest is updated through 'stable'?
06:08<daemonkeeper>That's called apt pinning and that is going to break at some point.
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06:09<SynrG>!mixing stable and unstable
06:09<dpkg>Given the rate of change in testing and the incompatibilities that brings, mixing stable and testing is unlikely to work for most non-trivial programs. Instead, ask me about <backports>.
06:09<SynrG>!backports
06:09<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
06:09<SynrG>nfisher: is there a particular package you're interested in?
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06:11<nfisher>SynrG, well.. a few.. linux-image-3.8-2-amd64, xchat, gimp, gajim for example
06:12<SynrG>what's the primary use of your system? how tolerant are you of breakage?
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06:13<SynrG>if you value up-to-dateness over stability, consider running testing. of course, right now is a period of higher than usual instability, being immediately after the release.
06:13<jm_>and more importantly, how much hand holding will you need when it breaks?
06:13<SynrG>yes
06:13<nfisher>SynrG, relatively tolerant.. i already updated these packages through sid/exp.. i just want them to be automatically updated on further updates
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06:15<SynrG>nfisher: you can try pinning for a while. but at some point it will probably fail. the more sid/experimental diverge from stable, the more you're going to have your system "tainted" by newer packages. at some point your system will morph into a more-sid-than-stable system ...
06:15<SynrG>if you're going to do that, you might as well run testing instead.
06:15<nfisher>jm_, SynrG its mainly trivial programs as you can see.. i would not mess with big dependency trees
06:15<SynrG>trivial?
06:15<nfisher>SynrG, yes
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06:16<nfisher>!mixing stable and unstable
06:16<dpkg>Given the rate of change in testing and the incompatibilities that brings, mixing stable and testing is unlikely to work for most non-trivial programs. Instead, ask me about <backports>.
06:16<SynrG>sorry, the kernel is first on your list, so i almost snorted my coffee
06:16<nfisher>lol
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06:16<nfisher>well the kernel, yes
06:16<nfisher>but other than that :)
06:16<SynrG>i would not automatically upgrade any of these from sid/experimental
06:17<SynrG>it is far better to wait for a backport to appear
06:17<SynrG>naturally, you want to keep an eye on security notices ...
06:17<SynrG>but your current situation is unsupported and unsupportable, even for some "trivial" packages
06:18<jm_>nfisher: it will very soon pull in stuff like libc6 or if you'llr efuse that, you will not be able to update
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06:18<nfisher>hmm
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06:19<nfisher>so, besides your rec. not to do so, there is no poss. to have them updated differently?
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06:22<SynrG>nfisher: as i said, you can try pinning but that will get you into trouble, eventually
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06:24<SynrG>nfisher: you will reach a point where one of two things will happen. either you will pull in dependencies from sid that have unintended consequences for other packages, not just your "trivial" set of packages, or else you will no longer be able to upgrade because doing so would remove packages you need. this will get worse as time goes on.
06:24<nfisher>hmm
06:25<SynrG>there's a reason we have different releases. the packages are all designed to work with each other within a release. very few packages are as "trivial" as you think they are, because so many of them share dependencies with so many others.
06:25<babilen>nfisher: Trust us -- Either use stable and get newer versions from backports or backport them yourself (see "/msg dpkg ssb") *or* track testing and/or unstable. (see "/msg dpkg tum" for a testing/unstable mix)
06:26<nfisher>SynrG, how do i pin? i see the eventual problems with that, but i always can denie updating if i see that there is a bunch of stuff drawn into the system which could mess up things..
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06:26<babilen>nfisher: Mixing stable and testing/unstable *will* cause problems sooner or later - Spare yourself (and us!) the headache and run a supported setup.
06:27<super-nathan>what babilen said +1
06:28<nfisher>hmm k then :(
06:28<SynrG>i agree
06:28<babilen>nfisher: You have many options, but mixing stable with anything but backports is a bad idea. SynrG explained the reasons behind that ...
06:29<super-nathan>i'll be ther first to say that i sometimes go rogue on packiges, and i'll also be the first person to tell you that if frequently backfires. while it does teach ME a ton, it also does things that i am not even kinda willing to fix in a chatroom
06:30<SynrG>if you want an education, running testing is a much better way to get one. :)
06:30<babilen>+10
06:30<super-nathan>i run sid ;)
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06:31<babilen>And running testing (or <tum> as you will have to pull packages from unstable once in a while) is tricky enough. You'll have to be able to deal with <transition>s and other idiosyncrasies ..
06:31<SynrG>likewise. and the issue of the day today is upgrading libsnmp (to the ones in incoming ;) would remove hplip and friends.
06:31<babilen>But that is discussed in #debian-next and there is a nice FAQ at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable
06:31<SynrG>it's not without its hassles. but it's not without its rewards either.
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06:32<babilen>But at least we (i.e. people working on Debian) try to make the experience of running testing or unstable as painless as possible, while nobody even tries to ensure that stable and testing can be mixed. It is simply nothing that is even supposed to work.
06:33<super-nathan>in theory
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06:34<SynrG>in practice. rapidly, as soon as stable is releases, testing/unstable diverge. right away there are a whole host of conflicts that could only be solved by upgrading significantly more than you wanted mixed in, or removal of packages you need.
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06:35<SynrG>you might succeed in isolated cases, but any successes you experience would only give you a false sense of security ...
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06:35<SynrG>it's not a matter of *if* your system will break, but when.
06:35<babilen>I also don't see why one would want to do it -- I mean if I were to invest that much time and energy into a system I would either choose to run a testing/unstable system (with *all* packages being newer and less hassle) or backport packages myself.
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06:36<lupine>well, debian-backports is "mixing testing and stable"
06:36<SynrG>no it is not
06:36<SynrG>debian-backports are *designed* to run within stable
06:36<lupine>I'm not sure how else you would describe it
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06:37<babilen>And the packages are compiled against stable and its settings, libraries and everything else that is configured during the build.
06:37<lupine>a limited selection of packages from testing, compiled for stable, with whatever tweaks are required to make it work
06:37<SynrG>you're confusing source packages and binary packages. it is possible to take a newer source package and compile it against older binary packages of libraries.
06:37<babilen>lupine: Debian is a binary distribution -- Installing binary packages from a later release is *not* the same as recompiling the same software on an older system.
06:37<lupine>you'd need to be nuts to try to take a random binary package, aye
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06:37<SynrG>the resulting backport is installable on a stable system *without* either upgrading way too much or forcing removal of other packages you need.
06:38<SynrG>note: it is not always possible to take newer sources and compile them successfully against stable (or if not impossible, then not practical ...)
06:38<SynrG>this is why there are not backports of *everything*
06:38<lupine>yes, I know :)
06:38<SynrG>so backports provides a practical, supported solution of including newer things in stable.
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06:39<babilen>and a subset at that :)
06:39<SynrG>limited to those things where it is practical to do so
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06:40<lupine>incidentally, with a few noticeable versions, the kernel is one of the easier compiled things to backport. it's in debian-backports too
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06:40<SynrG>,kernels
06:40<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-2-686-pae (3.8.13-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2)
06:41<lupine>oh god, I keep forgetting wheezy is released
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06:41<lupine>I guess wheezy-backports isn't up and running yet
06:41<SynrG>it is.
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06:42<SynrG>the 3.8 kernel is just too new to unstable to yet be a wheezy backport
06:42<SynrG>you'll notice it's not even yet in jessie.
06:42<lupine>mm
06:42<lupine>we're using the 3.2 backport on most of our squeeze systems
06:43<lupine>and then there's a few with 3.9 and some others with a random 3.6
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06:44<SynrG>running a kernel backport is not without its issues. it will eventually force an upgrade of udev, and many packages providing drivers drop udev recipes into /etc/udev/rules.d/ and as udev changes, some of those rules may spew warnings into your logs and/or simply not work.
06:45<SynrG>but on the whole i agree. providing kernel backports has always been a priority for the debian kernel team and possible to do in many cases.
06:46<nfisher>on http://packages.debian.org there is only squeeze backports, no wheezy yet
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06:48<SynrG>i'm pretty sure that's not correct
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06:48<SynrG>while it's possible packages.d.o is out of sync with the actual archive, wheezy-backports has existed since *before* the wheezy release.
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06:48<SynrG>so it's unlikely packages.d.o doesn't know about it
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06:50<SynrG>,versions libreoffice
06:50<judd>Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; jessie: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy-backports: 1:4.0.3-2~bpo70+1; sid: 1:4.0.3-2
06:50<SynrG>hmm, ok. packages.debian.org doesn't know about this yet.
06:50<nfisher>judd, where did u get that list?
06:50<SynrG>but in any case, wheezy-backports exists. :)
06:50<SynrG>udd
06:51<SynrG>!udd
06:51<dpkg>The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/
06:51<SynrG>hence the 'udd' in judd's name
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06:52<nfisher>SynrG, i see.. how can i browse the wheezy-backports then?
06:53<SynrG>http://your.mirror/dists/wheezy-backports ...
06:53<SynrG>find the Packages files and examine them
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06:54<SynrG>or simply add wheezy-backports to your sources.list and apt-get update
06:54<nfisher>:/.. no search engione?
06:54<SynrG>then go find the downloaded Packages files
06:54<SynrG>yes, there is packages.debian.org.
06:54<SynrG>it will be updated soonish
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06:59<nfisher>E: The value 'wheeze-backports' is invalid for APT
06:59<nfisher>oops :)
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07:04<nfisher>what does the 'trunk' in linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 mean?
07:04<Arrowmaster>unstable ABI
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07:05<nfisher>unstable ABI?
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07:06<jm_>!kernel abi
07:06<dpkg>Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges
07:07<SynrG>read "unmanaged" as, "install this kernel if you like, but don't expect your binary modules compiled for one version to necessarily work with the next version"
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07:08<nfisher>hmm k
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07:17<anubis777>hy
07:17<vkrishn>has ettercap been dropped from Wheezy ?
07:18<jm_>!why is ettercap not in testing
07:18<dpkg>ettercap is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ettercap
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07:18<jm_>[2013-01-10] ettercap REMOVED from testing (Britney)
07:18<jm_>that would be why
07:18<vkrishn>I still being mentioned in 'harden-remoteaudit' suggestes
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07:19<vkrishn>still see*
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07:20<lindi->vkrishn: can you remove it?
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07:21<vkrishn>lindi-, hmm... I am not sure what it means
07:21<olasd>well, it's back in testing now
07:22<olasd>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=692734 details why the package was removed from wheezy
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07:22<jm_>yeah I should have used it via /msg (just wanted to get the link)
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07:24<vkrishn>is there a list of packages that were in Sqeeze but got dropped in Wheezy?
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07:26<vkrishn>Squeeze :)
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07:28<vkrishn>having such list would be a help
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07:29<kash>hi all
07:30<daemonkeeper>vkrishn: The release notes contain a list of important removed packages.
07:30<deavid>hi, since i upgraded months ago to kernel 3.2.0 , when i boot up i get an error "unknown command load_video" when i start the computer. I upgraded today to 3.8 and I still see the same error. Anyone knows why this could happen?
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07:30<kash>someone can give me a help for routing ?
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07:31<vkrishn>daemonkeeper, thanks
07:32<jm_>deavid: that's grub command
07:32<deavid>jm_: yes
07:32<jm_>or rather, a function in debian's default grub.cfg
07:33<kash>i try to set up two network card. it's working but i have a problem with the gateways
07:33<deavid>jm_: i can see load_video inside grub.cfg
07:34<deavid>jm_: http://pastebin.com/MauQNx0U
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07:34<deavid>(i pasted a part only of the grub.cfg)
07:34<jm_>deavid: you need to paste the whole thing or look for function load_video { .. .yourself
07:35<jm_>deavid: it comes in via /etc/grub.d/00_header
07:35<deavid>jm_: http://pastebin.com/yTEiRGmJ , but anyway i can't see it
07:35<musca>kash: i think, providing details over http://paste.debian.net would help keeping thngs together
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07:36<jm_>deavid: run update-grub
07:37<jm_>deavid: are you using squeeze or wheezy?
07:37<deavid>jm_: I'm using Debian Sid
07:37<jm_>deavid: ok then you should have it in the file I mentioned earlier
07:37<deavid>i already did "update-grub" this morning
07:38<jm_>note that it's considered a config file so if you rejected installing new version it may be missing ...
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07:38<deavid>jm_: http://pastebin.com/q3wDDk19
07:38<vkrishn>over 4125(14%) of the packages in squeeze - removed
07:39<deavid>maybe i rejected, i don't know
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07:40<vkrishn>is this list available ?
07:40<vkrishn>what happens if admin has an auto install list from Squeeze, that he reuses to install Wheezy, this list would be helpful here
07:41<deavid>jm_: it is safe to copy "/etc/grub.d/00_header.dpkg-dist" to "/etc/grub.d/00_header" ? I don't remember doing anything to that file.
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07:41<jm_>deavid: 00_header.dpkg-dist gives away the answer whether you have or not; you should inspect if you changed anything before copying ove the files
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07:43<deavid>jm_: i found it. I modified that files years ago to set GRU_DEFAULT to 4 manually. It's no longer needed.
07:43<deavid>thanks :)
07:44<jm_>deavid: you can do that via /etc/default/grub nowadays
07:44<jm_>no worries
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07:45<deavid>i'm going to try it :)
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07:51<deavid>done, it worked.
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07:57<vkrishn>what is a general freeze period before given release ?
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07:58<Dmitry>undefined
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07:58<daemonkeeper>Wheezy was released with a time based freeze.
07:58<devil_>and way too long
07:58<daemonkeeper>way too short.
07:59<vkrishn>the release cycle is 3yrs(tentative) ?
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08:00<devil_>rather 2 meanwhile
08:00<devil_>last release took 27 months
08:00<vkrishn>and from bugs threads freeze seems approx 6months prior
08:00<devil_>last freeze lasted ~ 10 months
08:01<vkrishn>10 months is too long for any security related packages
08:01<vkrishn>for server, apps, desktop - maybe ok
08:02<vkrishn>there needs to be an exception for security pkgs
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08:02<vkrishn>3 to 6months
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08:03<daemonkeeper>vkrishn: Err, what? Freeze does not mean "no changes at all". The freeze is right there to fix problems and fix (security) problems
08:03<vkrishn>or pkgs list marked via some voting
08:04<vkrishn>daemonkeeper, just a thought
08:04<vkrishn> ettercap seems its back in testing
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08:04<vkrishn>so packaged in Squeeze , dropped in Wheezy and back in Jessie(hopefully)
08:05<vkrishn>or will be in wheezy-backports ?
08:05<daemonkeeper>What package?
08:05<vkrishn>will it*
08:05<daemonkeeper>It could possibly be in wheezy-backports when someone uploads it.
08:05<vkrishn>daemonkeeper, ettercap
08:05<vkrishn>ok
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08:06<vkrishn>since the list of dropped pkgs is not available( 4125), I would have to extract from pkglist now
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08:07<daemonkeeper>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697987 There was some reason to remove it ...
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08:14<vkrishn>from ettercap changelog, seems they had some major changes and bugfixes
08:14<vkrishn>hope to see ettercap in jessie
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08:24<lindi->vkrishn: you can make a wheezy-backport, you just need to find some DD to sponsor the upload
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08:24<vkrishn>lindi-, thanks
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08:25<lindi->vkrishn: at least in the past ettercap was interesting package so I could maybe help
08:25<lindi->vkrishn: how do you use it yourself? do you know C?
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08:25<vkrishn>lindi-, any alternative for ettercap ?
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08:26<vkrishn>lindi-, webdeveloper(lamp)
08:26<lindi->vkrishn: I guess it depends on what you do with it
08:26<lindi->vkrishn: there is scapy and wireshark and tcpick
08:27<bigjust>wireshark +1
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08:27<daemonkeeper>(some exceptions apply)
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08:28<vkrishn>wireshark can be used from ncurses/cmdline ?
08:28<lindi->vkrishn: tshark yes
08:28<vkrishn>ah
08:28<vkrishn>thanks
08:28<lindi->vkrishn: why do you want ncurses?
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09:08<yeehi>I installed git. What command do I use to download/install hexchat from here: https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat
09:08<mbentley>git clone https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat.git
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09:09<mbentley>yeehi: that will clone the repo locally
09:09<yeehi>that is very kind of you mbentley - let me try that. I have another question afterwards, about installing grub to /boot when / is encrypted
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09:09<daemonkeeper>There is a download link on that page ...
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09:12<yeehi>mbentley, after i have cloned that repo locally, do i just do sudo apt-get install hexchat to install? What about getting updates afterwards? Am I auto-notified about updates?
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09:12<mbentley>yeehi: no, you would have to compile it. it will not auto-update and it will not notify you
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09:13<mbentley>yeehi: what you have there is the git repo is the source for hexchat
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09:14<yeehi>I am a bit of a noob, mbentley - sorry. Is it a simple command to compile now that the repo has been downloaded?
09:14<mbentley>yeehi: for example, you could follow the rss feed found here >> http://hexchat.org/news.html. that would essentially provide you with update notification as it seems that the author does update the rss feed
09:15<daemonkeeper>I wonder how this is all related to Debian?
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09:16<mbentley>valid point, this is a bit out of scope and i do not have experience compiling hexchat so i am not familiar with it's dependencies.
09:17<yeehi>ok, thanks mbentley, then I would git clone https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat.git again and re-compile or something like that.
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09:17<mbentley>yeehi: basically, yes
09:18<yeehi>well I am running debian daemonkeeper. I also have a very specific debian quesiton too...
09:18<yeehi>OK, let me ask my other, BIG question: :)
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09:21<daemonkeeper>Running Debian does not make everything a Debian support question. :)
09:22<yeehi>Wheezy Gnome 64 bit failed to install grub onto a 300 MB btrfs /boot partition. The / partition is encrypted. I have run the recovery option in the DVD and launched a shell in the something or other and I can see / here: /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt I don't know what commands to issue in order to install grub onto the /boot partition from the DVD rescue
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09:23<yeehi>you are right, daemonkeeper- i will write to hexchat and get them to create a debian file.
09:23<yeehi>daemonkeeper, what about installing grub?
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09:24<daemonkeeper>Call update-grub in a rescue shell. I think the rescue system has a menu entry for it.
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09:25<yeehi>thanks daemonkeeper. To call it do I just write the command: update-grub ?
09:25<bullgard4> /proc/cmdline: "BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=bbf84bb2-40e9-44ac-b58a-b079327c78af ro." What is the function of the parameter BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64? This parameter is not listed in kernel-parameters.txt
09:25<daemonkeeper>Yes, but chances are you need to have /dev and /proc in the chroot.
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09:26<yeehi>Also, how will it know where to install grub?
09:26<daemonkeeper>You tell.
09:26<daemonkeeper>grub-install /dev/sdXY
09:27<yeehi>And why would the rescue DVD be able to install grub when the normal installation failed?
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09:28<daemonkeeper>I answer your questions, you didn't say what your problem with it is.
09:28<yeehi>I can see /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt
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09:28<yeehi>but i anticipate the dvd saying it can't see /boot
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09:29<yeehi>What should I replace XY with, daemonkeeper?
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09:29<blast007>isn't grub normally installed to the MBR, not to a specific partition?
09:29<daemonkeeper>The boot record where you want to have grub installed.
09:29<daemonkeeper>It can be both.
09:29<daemonkeeper>Depends on your setup.
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09:30<yeehi>will this work: grub-install /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt
09:30<yeehi>sda5 is the default location for encrypted
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09:31<daemonkeeper>It will work, but it's pointless.
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09:31<daemonkeeper>Why would you want to have a bootloader in a PBR for your crypted root? You need to access the bootloader BEFORE
09:31<daemonkeeper>Otherwise you can't decrypt it.
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09:31<yeehi>if i try: grub-install /root will that work? I think it won't, because / is encrypted...
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09:32<daemonkeeper>You use whatever your physical disk is which is booted first.
09:32<yeehi>yes! good point!
09:32<yeehi>ah, i see! That is logical.
09:32<daemonkeeper>(mostly. Some people may prefer other setups)
09:32<lman>yeehi: grub-install /dev/sda
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09:33<yeehi>I thought that i might need to use the encrypted partition because that is where / is.
09:33<yeehi>thank you lman
09:33<daemonkeeper>Nobody cares about / for th bootloader.
09:33<yeehi>I am very happy now - i will try to install grub
09:33<daemonkeeper>You use the first disk which boots, that will seek for /boot (which needs to be unencrypted), and mount /
09:34<yeehi>i will go offline for a bit.
09:34<yeehi>thank you daemonkeeper!
09:34<daemonkeeper>If you use Windows, this overwrites the Windows bootloader JFTR.
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09:35<daemonkeeper>(or any other operating system which sits in your MBR)
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09:35<yeehi>no windows, daemonkeeper. Good to know, though
09:35<yeehi>OK, lets do it!
09:36<daemonkeeper>I wonder what you are doing by the way. The installer has assistance to install to a crypted /
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09:36<yeehi>See you all :)
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09:44<chomwitt>hi. is there a web interface to see the src of a package or must i downloaded?
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09:52<cae>chomwitt: you mean the plain source, not a tarball or something? Probably something related to http://codesearch.debian.net/
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09:55<chomwitt>cae: thanks!
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09:57<srtu>is there a way to stop the anoying "beep" when shutting down? (no BIOS option available)
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10:27<haylo_>srtu: did you try this ? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_disabling_beep_sounds
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10:28<srtu>yep
10:28<srtu>meanwhile i install the gnome-alsamixer and dissable the "beep" there
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10:29<srtu>and it seems to work
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10:59<ghking>hello everyone, how can I start SELinux in my debian7
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11:00<caye>hola
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11:01<ghking>hello everyone, how can I start SELinux in my debian7?
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11:01<leoquant>ghking it is possible but niet very easy
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11:02<leoquant>apparmor profiles is not an option for ya?
11:02<leoquant>are
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11:02<ghking>I can,t find /etc/selinux/config
11:03<leoquant>selinux has its root in fedora i believe
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11:03<ghking>there is only /etc/selinux/semanage.conf
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11:04<leoquant>was this your source? : http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux
11:04<ghking><leoquant> no!
11:05<leoquant>ok
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11:06<leoquant>do you use the load-selinux-policy script?
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11:08<leoquant>ghking sorry i can't help ya with this...
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11:18<ghking>hello everyone, how can I start SELinux in my debian7? I can,t find /etc/selinux/configthere is only /etc/selinux/semanage.conf
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11:20<ghking>hello everyone, how can I start SELinux in my debian7? I can,t find /etc/selinux/configthere is only /etc/selinux/semanage.conf
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11:33<boudiccas>where is 'MailTo = root' set please? i need to change it for a new added user
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11:35<themill>/etc/aliases
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12:36<sahil>hiii
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12:39<sahil>hi maria
12:39<Noon>.
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12:41<Noon>Debian Squeeze.
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13:11<cae>boudiccas: /etc/aliases?
13:11<cae>(oh, the answer was given shortly afterwards. It scrolled out of view and I didn't see it)
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13:12<boudiccas>themthanks, sorted now
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13:42<jmmy>!l
13:42<dpkg>from memory, l is the english version of the greek letter lambda, as used by Alonzo Church in creating his lambda calculus.
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13:54<mtl>mitenniraihnasta :)
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14:43<toli__>hi, could you please help me to install by default python 2.7 on squeeze 64bit ?
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14:46<devil_> install by default?
14:47<toli__>I installed python 2.7, but after I installed it when I run python it says 2.6 - now I renamed the file python to old, and the python2.7 to python do you think this is fine ?
14:48<devil_>no
14:49<devil_>toli__: why not update to stable?
14:49<toli__>devil_: update what to stable ? the stable python for debian is 2.6.6
14:50<devil_>toli__: no, to wheezy. it has been released
14:50<devil_>and has python 2.7
14:50<toli__>devil_: ;) cau I upgrade ?
14:50<toli__>devil_: or I need fresh install ?
14:51<devil_>you can upgrade
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14:51<devil_>toli__: do: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy in here and follow it to the t
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14:52<toli__>devil_: thanks m8
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14:52<toli__>simple, only to change the sources :)
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14:54<devil_> /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
14:54<devil_>toli__: be carefull and also read, what you are told
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14:55<devil_>toli__: you need to install sonme packages before the upgrade manualy
14:55*devil_ wonders, why people read so selectively
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14:56<sney>devil_, the squeeze->wheezy factoid does not include any mention of specific packages unless you follow up with the squeeze-wheezy failures factoid
14:56<Slaizer>hi all. I just install Debian wheezy 7.0 AMD64, on my computer. I have two problems, the first: i have password protection on my hard drives. the second: when i start my computer it is writtes that 'Grub is failing'. Anyone who may give me some advice?
14:57<devil_>sney: oh, it points to chapter 4, thought that is where it is detailed
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14:57<devil_>Slaizer: where did you install grub to?
14:57<Slaizer>devil_: Where i installed it? I just installed the regular method that came with the iso
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15:00<amanda>salam
15:00<amanda>yahoo.com
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15:11<LowLevel32>hi
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15:14<stasf>Hi, guys
15:14<stasf>Does somebody know where where to get an information about installing Debian 7 as a guest system under vmware?
15:14<stasf>In particular, the problem is with vmware-tools (vmhgfs kernel module does not start)
15:15<sney>stasf, haven't tried it personally, but it seems like you probably need build-essential and open-vm-dkms
15:17<Slaizer>Hi all, i installed debian wheezy amd64. Grub is failing when i am loading the computer. tried this: su
15:17<Slaizer>grub-install /dev/sda
15:17<Slaizer>update-grubsu
15:17<Slaizer>grub-install /dev/sda
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15:19<sney>:|
15:19<Aurinko>poor Slaizer...
15:19<SynrG>bouncy mouse, looks like
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15:26<stasf>sney, thanks for your response
15:26<stasf>are build-essential and open-vm-dkms deb packets?
15:26<stasf>I am novice with Debian, sorry...
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15:27<sney>stasf, yes. they will build the vmware guest module for your system so it can load
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15:30<stasf>sney, THANKS A LOT - I`ll try...
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15:38<doubledutch>Should I upgrade to urxvt-256 just for the tabs?
15:38<doubledutch>http://paste.debian.net/5413/
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15:41<doubledutch>My Xresources is beautiful at the moment. If I upgrade to 256 colors (using i3 as a WM) all it'll do is provide me with tabs, essentially, could I wipe any configs by installing this?
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15:46<doubledutch>[SOLVED by "meh"] irssi doesn't support 256 color so I'd be getting tabs but whatever, I'm good
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16:06<nlap>Hello, I'm running Kali Linux with Openbox. I tried installing Adeskbar, but when I run the downloaded .deb file, it fails to install with the following error message: GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._pk_5ftransaction_5ferror.Code4: SimulateInstallFiles not supported by backend
16:06<ompaul>!basedondebian
16:07<ompaul>!based on debian
16:07<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
16:07<ompaul>!kali
16:07<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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16:14<ardex>how do you select another video driver?
16:14<devil_>ardex: you want to change from what to what?
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16:15<ardex>from 800x600 to a larger res
16:16<devil_>that does not answer the question
16:16<devil_>what is your video card?
16:16<ardex>nvidia Geforce2
16:16<devil_>ardex: and you are using what debian release?
16:16<SamB>it doesn't sound like he wants to change drivers anyway?
16:17<devil_>SamB: maybe it does, if he has vesa only
16:17<SamB>well, maybe it turns out to be part of the solution, yes
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16:17<ardex>there's more than vesa but it is not properly installed. Squeeze
16:18<devil_>ardex: you should be using nouveau per default
16:18<devil_>and it more less works ootb
16:18<ardex>Ah so. now I remember. thanx
16:18<devil_>pastebin /var/log/xorg.0.log please
16:19<ardex>at pastebin.debian.org?
16:20<LtL>ardex: at http://paste.debian.net
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16:25<ardex>paste.debian.net/5422
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16:32<toli__>giys, I just upgraded to Wheezy, but I have problems with my local network :( I can't ping or access any device at my LAN, even with DHCP I had problems so I had to configure anything manually
16:32<toli__>do you have any idea ?
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16:35<devil_>ardex: you are using vesa
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16:36<lindi->toli__: what do you mean with "configure manually"?
16:36<ardex>I see. I just uninstalled eveything except the xorg and the nouveau
16:36<devil_>ardex: there are some errors refering to fb in the log
16:37<toli__>lindi-: I had to configure my fixed IP, normally I have DHCP at home
16:37<lindi->toli__: how did you configure it?
16:37<ardex>I think that is either fluxbox or framebuffer
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16:37<devil_>the latter
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16:37<ardex>framebuffer... i agree
16:37<devil_>they should not be there unless you edited something
16:38<devil_>with framebuffer or grub
16:38<toli__>lindi-: but the problem is that I don't have any ping from my local network, I can't even ping the gateway. I gam ping google, but the response is strange : 64 bytes from lhr08s01-in-f2.1e100.net (173.194.41.66): icmp_req=2 ttl=54 time=49.3 ms
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16:38<devil_>like to set framebuffer res
16:38<ardex>i'm going to reboot and will return if needs. Thanks
16:38<lindi->toli__: I can't help you if I don't understand how you configured it manually
16:39<toli__>lindi-: from network settings,
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16:39<lindi->toli__: network-manager?
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16:39<toli__>lindi-: yes
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16:40<ardex>devil: I uninstalled the framebuffer app
16:40<lindi->toli__: and if you set it to DHCP then you can get an IP?
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16:40<toli__>lindi-: I get an IP, but not DNS so I can only ping external Ip's, but not locals and no DNS resolving
16:42<toli__>lindi-: strange, it seems there is no firewall in the system
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16:42<lindi->toli__: is the DHCP server some ADSL modem?
16:43<toli__>lindi-: yep
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16:43<toli__>lindi-: I just tested with my phone it works
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16:44<toli__>lindi-: when I use Cable connection it works fine, but not with the Wifi
16:44<lindi->toli__: aha
16:44<lindi->toli__: "/sbin/ip route" ?
16:45<lindi->toli__: can you run that from the terminal and paste the output?
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16:45<toli__>lindi-:
16:45<toli__>169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 scope link metric 1000
16:45<toli__>192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.18
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16:45<toli__>192.168.1.0/24 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.10
16:45<toli__>sorry
16:45<lindi->toli__: I see the problem
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16:45<lindi->toli__: you have both ethernet and wlan in use at the same time
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16:46<toli__>lindi-: not anymore since 1h. allready
16:46<lindi->toli__: but it lists "192.168.1.0/24" for both eth0 and wlan0
16:46<toli__>lindi-: ok I will try to down the eth0
16:46<lindi->toli__: that is a problem
16:46<lindi->toli__: since it only cares about the first line that matches
16:47<lindi->(for new connections)
16:47<ardex>devil: paste.debian.net/5429
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16:49<toli__>lindi-: ok, I did ifconfig eth0 down, and it works fine now it seems a bug since the lan cable was unplugged
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16:51<lindi->toli__: possibly
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16:51<lindi->toli__: network-manager should disable eth0 when you unplug
16:51<lindi->toli__: can you test that again?
16:51<toli__>lindi-: thank you for your help ;)
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17:02<devil_>what file contains libcore.so.1 ? apt-file is not helpful in my setup
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17:03<daemonkeeper>http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libcore.so.1&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
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17:05<devil_>hmm, not good :)
17:06<ompaul>apt-file search libcore.so
17:06<ompaul>gives results
17:06<devil_>not here
17:06<devil_>freshly updated
17:06<ompaul>ircd-ratbox: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcore.so yade: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/yade/libcore.so
17:07<devil_>maybe I lack the right repo
17:07<ompaul>ftp.ie.debian.org
17:07<devil_>ompaul: oh, that. you skip the .1
17:07<ompaul>devil_: as I aid
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17:07<devil_>i seen that too
17:07<ompaul>yeah
17:07<ompaul>so it's as close as i can find anything atm
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17:08<Dmitry>ompaul, your nick seems familiar...
17:08<devil_>does not look helpful in my case. as i payed for the software, let me grab their balls for support
17:08<ompaul>devil_: enjoy
17:09<ompaul>Dmitry: is that a good thing, or a bad thing --- correct answer yes
17:09<Dmitry>ompaul, I guess good!
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17:30<claudioRodre>I have to harddrives in my laptop: One normal harddrive™and a SDD. My question is if it is possible to setup a lvm container + dm-crypt with the following layout: / and /boot on the SSD and /home on the normal harddrive.
17:31<claudioRodre>s/to/two/
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17:32<trico>you mean both drives encrypted with the same key?
17:33*ardex dumped all video drivers except nv and restored the display to 1280x960 60hz
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17:34<thatguychuck15>Is anyone on familiar with nvidia coolbits?
17:34<Dmitry>cool bits?
17:34<trico>ive never done an lvm across multiple drives, but in theory that should be possible. i always do a separate encryption keyfile for each hard. less loss if something gets messed up. ecryptfs is also an option since you are putting /home on the second drive.
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17:35<thatguychuck15>Coolbits is a setting added to the xorg.conf to change some settings on nvidia cards,
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17:36<ardex>new cards ot older ones?
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17:38<thatguychuck15>I'm actually not sure. Most of the post I've found delt with older hardware. I wanted to find a way to increase my GPU fan speed, "Coolbits""5" adds this to the nvidia settings manager but my game runs like crap.
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17:39<ardex>laptop or desk?
17:39<thatguychuck15>Desktop, GTX480
17:40<ardex>just buy another system fan plug it into a molex and set to cool the GPU (physically
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17:41<ardex>i run my desktops without any side covers
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17:42<Chav>Hi. Which is the best fs for a 256MB USB flash drive? I'll be using it for logging and any small temp system files.
17:42<thatguychuck15>MSG: ardex that isn't a solution.
17:42<SamB>that sounds tiny
17:42<ardex>worked for me
17:43<Chav>SamB: was that to me?
17:43<SamB>yeah
17:44<ardex>some really radical users run their motherboards in a refridgerator. no case.
17:44<Chav>So what's the best fs for it?
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17:44<thatguychuck15>But this isn't radical. Under windows I used EVGA Precision X to boost fan speed, that's all it took.
17:44<mtn>Chav: they come formatted and work fine
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17:45<Chav>mtn: It's currently FAT-32. Should I just leave it as is?
17:45<mtn>Chav: unless you have a reason not to it will work fine
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17:45<ardex>Windoze has it all
17:46<Chav>mtn: I just thought that Debian's drivers might be more optimised in one direction than another. Also, I'm not sure which FS is best for flash memory.
17:46<thatguychuck15>Linux has this as well, Coolbits 5
17:46<thatguychuck15>It just doesn't work for me at the moment.
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17:47<mtn>Chav: I don't know that there is a "best". If it works....
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17:49<claudioRodre>I have two harddrives in my laptop: One normal harddrive™and a SDD. My question is if it is possible to setup a lvm container + dm-crypt with the following layout: / and /boot on the SSD and /home on the normal harddrive.
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17:51<ardex>I wonder what they do with computers in space? hang 'em overboard?
17:51<Chav>mtn: well, there's optimum. I've found an article that suggests ext2 with noatime is ideal. Maybe I'll go with that.
17:51<mtn>Chav: I am sure it will work fine, as well as anything else
17:51<SamB>does vacuum cool stuff?
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17:52<SamB>I was under the impression it was an insulator
17:52<Chav>ardex: i don't think the computers that go into space are all that powerful, compared to those we use at home.
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17:53<ardex>the work is done on the ground
17:53<Chav>SamB: if it were an insulator, we wouldn't get any heat from the sun
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17:53<Chav>ardex: right.
17:53<SamB>that's radiation ...
17:53<mtn>where is Mr. Science when we need him?!
17:54<Chav>SamB: Radiation? as in Alpha, Beta, Gamma? Or are you talking about the mechanic?
17:54<Chav>^mechanism^
17:54<ardex>looking for Mr. Wizard
17:54<SamB>electromagnetic, actually
17:54<mc68040>Chav: infrared
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17:54<SamB>aka light
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17:55<SamB>if things in your computer are so hot that they glow, that's ... well, bad
17:55<ardex>Where is Don?
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17:56<ardex>somebody made glowing pigs
17:57<ardex>patched a flourescent gene into a lab pig
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18:02<raylu>http://mozilla.debian.net/ is there a good option for testing here?
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18:02<textrout>only at beer time
18:03<raylu>huh?
18:03<textrout>what are testing?
18:03<mbentley>raylu: i am assuming that you are talking about the lack of a 'jessie' repo?
18:03<raylu>sorry yes, jessie
18:04<textrout>stumped again
18:04<mbentley>hmm, well i would guesss that the repo for wheezy *may* work for now but it is hard to say
18:04<raylu>haha, ok. i'll give it a shot
18:04<raylu>btw, what's cdn.debian.net for? all i got was something something japan
18:04<textrout>god ol' squeezie
18:05<raylu>there are a couple US servers on that list but not nearly the full set of mirrors
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18:05<raylu>even though the explanation says they pull the list straight from /mirrors
18:05*textrout is not working w/ a full set either
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18:12<linkeichi>hil
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18:15<textrout>hi
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18:18<dominic_>hello
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18:19<dominic_>why debian dvd.iso is so big
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18:22<mbentley>dominic_: because it is intended to be used to install from on systems where internet connection isn't available
18:25<dominic_>4g i have a good internet and it takes a long time
18:26<wallzero>My Debian machine has stopped logging all together after an upgrade to Wheezy. I reinstalled syslogd but it still isn't making logs.
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18:27<raylu>mbentley: worked perfectly
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18:27<raylu>and by perfectly i mean my unofficial kinda borked, but that was easy to fix
18:27<raylu>*unofficial addon
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18:28<mbentley>raylu: good to hear
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18:29<mbentley>dominic_: i'd suggest downloading a netinst version. much smaller and will only download the packages you need
18:31<wallzero>Sorry, I think I just fixed it. Somehow busybox-syslogd had replaced rsyslog
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19:41<nulld1g1t>hi there
19:42<nulld1g1t>recently upgraded to wheeze any one else ?
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19:44<nulld1g1t>??
19:44<nulld1g1t>halo ?
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20:22<deoland>hi!
20:22<deoland>everybody
20:23<OrangeTanger>Hey guys I wrote a bash script that runs another script. Does this wait until the other script excutes completely before executing the next line?
20:24<themill>yes
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20:28<Slaizer>hi, I have password protection on my hard drives. How do i remove the password? It came from the installation.
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20:38<OrangeTanger>themill: was that in reference to my question?
20:38<themill>yes
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20:39<OrangeTanger>themill: thank you.
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21:15<aidalweb>In aptitude, how to I search by repository?
21:15<aidalweb>I want to find all packages installed from an unofficial repository so I can remove them.
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21:17<abrotman>aidalweb: sometihng like
21:17<abrotman>dpkg: tell aidalweb about dmm list
21:18<aidalweb>abrotman: thanks
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22:40<Stereo>hi everyone
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22:40<Stereo>I'm having trouble upgrading a slapd from squeeze to wheezy
22:41<Stereo>apt-get upgrade gives me the following error: http://pastie.org/private/pculhxxavta43wocdtnslw
22:41<Stereo>the accesslog thing was giving me problems, so I tried disabling it
22:41<Stereo>not sure whether I did it right
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22:46<abrotman>Stereo: did you check the NEWS file or anything ?
22:47<Stereo>sorry, should have said that
22:47<Stereo>nothing in there, and google yields 0 as well
22:47<Stereo>ohh
22:47<Stereo>I see. Extra line I missed.
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22:48<Stereo>ok, got it
22:48<Stereo>thanks abrotman :)
22:49<abrotman>i didn't do anything?
22:49<abrotman>:)
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23:05<Stereo>abrotman: you rubber-ducked
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