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---Logopened Tue May 21 00:00:22 2013
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00:01<galvao>OK, guys, I'm losing my mind here. I can't get Google Hangout to work. The postings about it are sparse and I just can't get it to work. It always complains about networking errors. Does anyone have *any* information that can help on this?
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00:09<ghking>hello everyone, how can I start SELinux in my debian7? I can,t find /etc/selinux/configthere is only /etc/selinux/semanage.conf
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00:11<m31>ghking: ?
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00:17<ghking><m31> thank you.i will...
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00:28<ghking><m31> thanks! Problem solved , selinux is not installed by default.
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00:29<m31>ghking glad I could help!
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00:35<galvao>My Nicotine is not being able to download any files. How can I safely change it to a specific port, since I'm assuming it's having problems using the default port?
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00:37<doubledutch>galvao: Check your router/firewall
00:37<doubledutch>Especially if it's a school or institution, they may have it blocked.
00:37<galvao>doubledutch: it's not, I'm accessing it from home
00:37<galvao>and that's exactly why I wanna try a different port
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00:38<galvao>doubledutch: I'm just trying to figure out which port I could try
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00:38<galvao>I won't just throw a random number
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00:42<galvao>I don't have the necessary knowledege to understand that
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00:44<doubledutch>galvao: If you google it, you can find a list of what ports go to what.
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00:45<doubledutch>If you have a program like "Counter-Strike" that works just beautifully, try using that port.
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01:12<galvao>Guys, I'm having connectivity issues (e.g. using nicotine, I can't download anything). I already cleaned up my wifi router configuration, but I just realized that on the network-manager I see the networking interface (LAN) as "Unmanaged". This is a fresh Wheezy install. Is this normal?
01:12<galvao>I mean I'm connected through my wifi, but should it say "unmanaged"?
01:13<Apollo>are these issues only with nicotine?
01:13<galvao>Apollo: No, I'm also unable to participate on Google Hangouts
01:14<galvao>I suspect it might be for the same reasons
01:14<Apollo>so you can browse the internet just fine?
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01:16<galvao>Apollo: Yes. Web, email, skype, IMs, everything works great
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01:16<Apollo>then I suggest you look at your router, not debian
01:16<galvao>I've looked at it
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01:17<galvao>and Nicotine worked as a charm before, on Squeeze
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01:20<galvao>Any ideas?
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02:43<ghking>hello, my hp computer is so hot after installed linux, even thought I have installed ati drive, cpufreq,and laptop-mode-tools.
02:44<ghking>how can I,let it to be more pawersave
02:44<doubledutch>ghking: Look in the BIOS, it may have a "Fan Always On: [Auto/On/Off]" option.
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02:44<doubledutch>What is ATI Drive?
02:44<doubledutch>Oh, drivers, sorry. So you have ATI hardware acceleration.
02:45<ghking>root@localhost:~# aticonfig --odgc
02:45<ghking>Default Adapter - AMD Radeon HD 6400M Series
02:45<ghking> Core (MHz) Memory (MHz)
02:45<ghking> Current Clocks : 100 150
02:45<ghking> Current Peak : 700 900
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02:47<HiddenWolf>Good morning and goodbye
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02:47<doubledutch>Use next time and you won't get kicked.
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02:48<ghking><doubledutch> yes i have let it always on
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02:58<ghking> there is what"aticonfig --odgc"returns
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03:01<ghking>how can I sent URL to Irc
03:02<ghking>why the url I send can't be clicked
03:03<detrout>making the url clickable is a feature of the IRC client
03:03<doubledutch>Try clicking the middle button
03:04<Stummi>or .com
03:04<Stummi>or whatever
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03:07<ghking>i know, just add "http://",then everything is ok. thanks for all of you.
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03:10<Supaplex>what's the whois way for ipv6 databases?
03:11<Supaplex>humm nm. 2600:1010 prefix is here. dunno why yet.
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03:12<jalalsfs>I changed in smb.conf file, the I deleted /etc/samba directory, now I tried to reinstall samba, but it coudn't create the directory /etc/samba/ ?
03:13<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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03:14<jalalsfs>I tried to remove samba and purge samba then install it, but without benefit, how can I do?
03:15<Supaplex>jalalsfs: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall samba
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03:17<jalalsfs>Supaplex, It says "E: Internal Error, No file name for samba:amd64"
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03:23<jalalsfs>Supaplex, It says "E: Internal Error, No file name for samba:amd64"
03:23<jalalsfs>I'm sorry, my connection cut.
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03:28<jalalsfs>I changed in smb.conf file, the I deleted /etc/samba directory, now I tried to reinstall samba, but it coudn't create the directory /etc/samba/ ? I did " aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall samba " as Supaplex said but without benefit.
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03:30<themill>it is likely to be the "samba-common" package not the "samba" package
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03:35<jalalsfs>themill, Yes I did this and it created the directory called /etc/samba/ but without that files " aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall samba-common "
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03:40<ghking>hello,I come back. my debian7 always suspend when I close the lid. how can I let it do nothing when I close the lid, I have try to set in "system setting", but I haven,t find.
03:41<jalalsfs>ghking, Do you use Gnome?
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03:43<ghking><jalalsfs> yes gnome3 fallback-mode
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03:45<ghking>jalalsfs, yes gnome3 fallback-mode
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03:46<jalalsfs>ghking, I don't know exactly but maybe this will resolve the problem
03:47<jalalsfs>edit the file /etc/default/grub
03:48<jalalsfs>in the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=
03:48<lindi->jalalsfs: huh?
03:48<jalalsfs>Make it like that: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=apm=on
03:48<lindi->jalalsfs: that sounds like a horrible hack to me :/
03:48<ghking>jalalsfs,thank you ,i will try
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03:49<jalalsfs>lindi-, I have this method solved one problem with my power.
03:49<Calinou>normally there is a power management settings in gnome 3
03:50<Calinou>maybe they decided to nuke it, who knows 8)
03:50<lindi->jalalsfs: yes but the real solution is to configure the power management properly
03:50<jalalsfs>lindi-, I only guess, I don't know.
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03:50<jalalsfs>lindi-, So tell ghking
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03:55<ghking><Calinou>, yes. but gnome-power-manage can't set the action when close lid
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03:57<lindi->ghking: what does it show there?
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04:19<jalalsfs>Supaplex, Oh dear, Thank you so so much. It work now.
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04:24<Supaplex>cool beans.
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05:30<ecourt>whats ur name
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05:31<JBek>ecourt: ?
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05:31<ecourt>this is pc's name
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05:31<JBek>ecourt: weird question isn it ?
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05:53<w00kie>hi im using wheezy and i got corrupted ext4 root
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05:53<w00kie>it says: jbd2 corrupted journal superblock
05:54<w00kie>i had a kernel panic a while before which forced me to reset
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05:54<w00kie>now i screwed :/
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06:01<ventiEventi>hi all
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06:29<sekon_>When i try to apt-get install exim i get the follwing message
06:29<sekon_>Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4-daemon-heavy'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
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06:30<sekon_>apt-get install exim4 exim4-daemon-heavy
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06:33<cemc>hi. I would like to set up a bridge interface through /etc/network/interfaces, but without bridge_ports parameter. it doesn't raise the interface at boot, and I don't see any errors.
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06:34<Combro_Asin>i'm using ubuntu, what should i to download debian 7?
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06:35<babilen>dpkg: tell Combro_Asin -about install debian
06:36<sekon_>babilen: hello :)
06:36<Combro_Asin>babilen, thanks
06:36<babilen>dpkg: tell Combro_Asin -about firmware images
06:36<babilen>Combro_Asin: I would use the images with firmware if you have a working internet connection during the installation.
06:37<Combro_Asin>my connection is slow
06:38<SynrG>Combro_Asin: slow is relative. how slow?
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06:39<Combro_Asin>very slow..... under 20kbs
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06:39<SynrG>indonesia, hmm. i guess connectivity is often bad there?
06:39<babilen>Combro_Asin: In that case I would recommend to download a larger image somewhere else (where you have faster access) and install from that. Do you have any preference regarding your desktop environment?
06:39<Combro_Asin>SynrG, yes....
06:40<Combro_Asin>babilen, ok
06:40<gsimmons>cemc: You likely want "bridge_ports none" if you initially want a bridge without any interfaces.
06:40<Combro_Asin>babilen, any desktop is ok
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06:41<SynrG>Combro_Asin: specifically, do you have a graphics chipset suitable for gnome3 / kde4?
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06:43<Combro_Asin>SynrG, will see what specs required.....
06:43<SynrG>Combro_Asin: integrated intel is ok, and most nvidia / AMD
06:44<SynrG>(well, integrated intel that isn't completely ancient; i would say the bare minimum is i915, though something better than that would be ideal)
06:44<Combro_Asin>SynrG, my machine has the capability
06:45<SynrG>if you just want the default desktop experience, that is gnome3.
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06:45<SynrG>amd64? i386?
06:45<SynrG>(64 bit vs 32 bit)
06:45<Combro_Asin>amd II athlon
06:46<Combro_Asin>its suitable for 64 bit
06:47<SynrG>sure. then find the list of mirrors at the bottom of and you can choose from among the CD1 images for amd64 of whichever desktop you like.
06:47<cemc>gsimmons: it worked, thank you!
06:47<SynrG>Combro_Asin: that's 20 kiloBITS per second?
06:48<SynrG>or bytes?
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06:49<SynrG>i really hope it is the latter. but at that rate it will still take you 9 hours to download CD1 :/
06:50<SynrG>is there anywhere you could download CD1 at a faster rate?
06:50<babilen>Combro_Asin: I'd recommend to go to an internet cafe and download CD1 (or DVD1) there ..
06:51<Combro_Asin>SynrG, my internet connection speed
06:52<Combro_Asin>babilen, how big is the debian 7?
06:53<SynrG>CD1 is about 650M. DVD1 is about 3.7G
06:54<SynrG>the CD only contains the most important packages for one flavour of complete desktop. the DVD contains more (and supports any desktop you want)
06:55<SynrG>the other CD & DVD images (2, etc.) contain less important things. you don't need those.
06:55<Combro_Asin>SynrG, what should i type in terminal to download it (complete with the url)
06:55<SynrG>or if you find you do, it's more efficient for you to download them later, one at a time.
06:56<SynrG>Combro_Asin: you're going to download from where you are and wait 9+ hrs?
06:56<SynrG>Combro_Asin: babilen recommended the firmware images. i think that's wise unless you know for certain you don't need it.
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06:57<lindi->SynrG: is CD1 really useable with wheezy as a desktop?
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06:57<SynrG>oh, hm. not sure if they have full images though :/
06:57<lindi->SynrG: in squeeze it wasn't enough to connect to the wifi to fetch more packages
06:57<SynrG>lindi-: i don't know.
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06:57<Combro_Asin>SynrG, maybe more than 9 hours.. but can be done
06:57<sekon_>When i try to apt-get install exim i get the follwing message
06:58<lindi->SynrG: I think it's a myth that CD1 would be useful as the default desktop
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06:58<sekon_>Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4-daemon-heavy'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
06:58<SynrG>sekon_: you've been answered already.
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06:58<lindi->SynrG: see this
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06:58<SynrG>sekon_: oops, no you haven't
06:59<SynrG>sekon_: it tells you what doc to look at and that tells you how to solve it. did you try what the doc said to try?
06:59<SynrG>!tell sekon_ about immediate configuration
06:59<sekon_>SynrG: its it
06:59<sekon_>SynrG: i am not updating :(
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07:00<Combro_Asin>SynrG, is there wine on debian 7 packages?
07:00<sekon_>i just purged exim because i borked the configuration files
07:00<sekon_>now i ended up in a situation where i cant unistall postfix
07:00<sekon_>and cant reinstall exim
07:01<SynrG>Combro_Asin: yes.
07:01<SynrG>!tell Combro_Asin about wine
07:01<sekon_>and also the apt-get -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0; dosent work
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07:02<SynrG>sekon_: so you tried the last suggestion to dpkg -r and then apt-get -f install?
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07:04<SynrG>Combro_Asin: anyway, to give you the command including URL for the image to download, I need to know what desktop you want.
07:04<SynrG>for gnome: wget
07:04<SynrG>for any of the others, see
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07:05<SynrG>Combro_Asin: you will find there the CD-1 (ignore CD-2 etc.) for lxde, xfce and kde as well.
07:05<Combro_Asin>SynrG, thanks alot, i will take gnome3
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07:06<sekon_>SynrG: i have not tried dpkg -r postfix
07:06<sekon_>but have tried apt-get -f install
07:06<sekon_>it does not work
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07:06<sekon_>16:16 < babilen> sekon_: The general strategey would be to "dpkg [--force-whatever-is-needed] --purge postfix" followed by "dpkg --force-depends PKG" for exim4-config, exim4-base, exim4-daemon-heavy and exim4 (in that order!) ... which might or might not work.
07:06<Combro_Asin>SynrG, ok
07:07<sekon_>SynrG: ^
07:07<sekon_>that was babilen on freenode
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07:09<Combro_Asin>SynrG, what option to tell wget to unable it to continue dowloading after a disconnection ?
07:10<sekon_>Combro_Asin: wget -c
07:10<Combro_Asin>sekon_, thanks
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07:16<SynrG>sekon_: so, following babilen's advice, does that help?
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07:17<sekon_>SynrG: i could not imply about what exactly i need to do ??
07:17<sekon_>+ i am a on trial peroid in a new job
07:18<sekon_>and its a production server with no backups
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07:24<SynrG>sekon_: he stated *exactly* what to do. if you "dpkg --purge postfix" it will tell you why it can't do that. you need to use a --force-something (the 'something' depends on what dpkg complains it can't do)
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07:25<SynrG>sekon_: the dpkg man page explains all the --force-* options. if you can't decide which one is needed, use and show us the error when you don't use a force option.
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07:26<SynrG>sekon_: also, please don't crosspost. either follow the advice given here or on freenode, but not both at once :p
07:26<sekon_>SynrG: he went out for lunch and told me he has no time to continue futher
07:26<sekon_>and told me to come here
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07:26<SynrG>that's fine, then.
07:26<sekon_>and told me about how knowledgeble you are and would be of help
07:27<SynrG>ah, flattery ... i'm not entirely immune to it :)
07:27<SynrG>but very soon i will be gone, too. so just follow my advice above.
07:27<sekon_>but he was specific about you and
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07:28<SynrG>sekon_: so, first try "dpkg --purge postfix". then paste errors at then we'll help you understand which --force option you need. then you'll retry the command with the right option. then you'll do the rest of babilen's advice (the --force-depends for each of the packages he listed, in the order he listed)
07:29<SynrG>and if suddenly i have to go, this should be enough clues for another helper to take over :)
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07:30<SynrG>"dependency problems". so, you need a --force-depends
07:31<SynrG>so retry it as "dpkg --purge --force-depends postfix"
07:31<SynrG> "dpkg --force-depends PKG" for exim4-config, exim4-base, exim4-daemon-heavy and exim4 (in that order!) ... which might or
07:31<sekon_>SynrG: sorry i was adviced not to proceed futher
07:32<SynrG>^^ this is deficient
07:32<SynrG>i can only assume he meant "dpkg --purge --force-depends PKG"
07:32<SynrG>what was the exact error output?
07:32<sekon_>SynrG: sorry i was adviced not to proceed further
07:33<sekon_>and told to log off the server
07:33<SynrG>advised by your employer?
07:33<sekon_>yes a new employer
07:33<sekon_>where i am in a trial run
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07:35<SynrG>sekon_: at this point, given that it's a production server with no backups, it would probably be in your best interests to make a good backup, then proceed.
07:36<SynrG>but however you proceed, it will probably involve some "dirty" solution like this.
07:36<SynrG>how far did you get into the upgrade? has it upgraded some other packages already?
07:37<SynrG>given that you've been told to stop, you at least need to assess what state you've left the server in and whether it puts your users at risk of things being left broken or not.
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07:38<SynrG>anyway, good luck with the job ... and with the server. i have to go to work. later
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08:03<Slaizer>hi all, i am using Linux Wheezy amd64. Having problems with 'Grub'. It returns an error when i load my computer. Anyone here?
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08:07<caravel>Hello Slaizer, yes there are always lots of people around :)
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08:07<caravel>you might want to detail your error, right now you don't tell much
08:08<caravel>i.e. what grub error message you get exactly, was it working before/what happened, what part scheme you got etc.
08:10<babilen>Slaizer: Did it ever work? What did you do prior to it becoming disfunctional? What error do you get exactly? ...
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08:14<Slaizer>babilen, no it did not work. tried installing the 'grub2' package, to see if it would work. but it returns the same: Grub loading... Welcome to GRUB!, and finally, after 30 seconds returns: error: fd0 read error.
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08:16<Slaizer>I have four drives, just one os, linux debian wheezy, the drive i boot is set to be the one that contains linux debian os.
08:16<babilen>Slaizer: So, this is a new installation?
08:18<Slaizer>babilen: yes, but i deleted the grub files and installed the one called: 'grub2'. but it is the same, have always returned the error message at start-up
08:19<babilen>Slaizer: How did you install Debian? Which image did you use and from which medium did you install? Just to confirm: You were not able to ever boot into the system?
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08:20<Slaizer>used the: debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso. I am actually able to log in to my system. It works just fine.
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08:23<Slaizer>babilen: it has always been booting into the system. Just the grub part that is annoying.
08:24<babilen>Slaizer: From which medium did you install? How can you log into the system if you can't boot it?
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08:24<babilen>Slaizer: So, you get a grub error on bootk, but you can boot into the system eventually?
08:24<Slaizer>babilen: I instaled it from the cd-drive. I can boot the system, but the grub returns an error.
08:25<Slaizer>babilen: yes, exactly
08:25<babilen>Slaizer: When does "the grub" return an error? During the boot? (e.g. "before I am shown the grub menu" or "after I selected my kernel image" or ...)
08:26<Slaizer>"before I am shown the grub menu"
08:26<babilen>Slaizer: Okay, where did you install grub to? (partition or MBR)
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08:27<babilen>Slaizer: And what is the error? Simply fd0 read error? (fd0 would be a floppy disk)
08:27<Slaizer>babilen: I dont know that one, my guess is to my hard drive.
08:27<babilen>Slaizer: Okay, could you run "dpkg -l grub-pc" and show me the output?
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08:27<Slaizer>"Welcome to Grub!, Grub loading..., error fd0
08:28<babilen>Slaizer: Make that "dpkg -l grub-pc|tail -n1"
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08:30<babilen>Slaizer: ping?
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08:32<Slaizer>babilen: search for Slaizer
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08:33<babilen>Slaizer: What about "update-grub2" ?
08:33<babilen>yeah, i managed :)
08:34<Slaizer>babilen: what do you mean?
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08:34<Slaizer>babilen: the "update-grub2"?
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08:38<babilen>Slaizer: What is the output of the "update-grub2" command? (I am asking you to run that command and paste its output)
08:38<Slaizer>babilen: ok
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08:40<Slaizer>babilen: look for Slaizer
08:40*babilen looks around
08:41<babilen>Slaizer: How many harddrives do you have in your computer?
08:41<Slaizer>babilen: 4
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08:41<babilen>Slaizer: And you boot from /dev/sda ?
08:41<prem>hi all
08:41<Slaizer>babilen: 5 if I count the external.
08:41<prem>booting grub menu with "recovery" option doesnot work in debian
08:41<Slaizer>babilen: I don't know that one if i boot from '/dev/sda'.
08:42<prem>should i install any thing else to make the "recovery" option work
08:42<babilen>Slaizer: Okay, could you paste the output of "fdisk -l" and give me the link?
08:42<babilen>prem: Is it lazy and chills on the couch again?
08:43<prem>babilen, sorry !?
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08:43<babilen>prem: You said that it doesn't work ... ;)
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08:44<babilen>prem: Okay, forgive this (obviously failed) attempt at making a joke. What happens if you try to boot into rescue mode?
08:44<prem>yeah., babilen in some other OS i noticed that the "Recovery mode" comes with the word "recovery" in the grub, but in debian "single" is given
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08:45<prem>so how can i get the "recovery" option to work in debian
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08:45<babilen>Slaizer: That is not the output of "fdisk -l" but that of "update-grub2" again
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08:46<Slaizer>babilen: no it is not
08:47<babilen>prem: The recovery mode is actually the "single" user mode and generated automagically by "update-grub2" if it is still enabled in /etc/default/grub -- What happens if boot into the recovery mode entry in the grub menu?
08:47<babilen>Slaizer: Ah, thanks .. sorry :)
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08:47<Slaizer>babilen: ^^
08:47<prem>babilen, it fall backs in the root prompt
08:47<babilen>Slaizer: Okay, please run "grub-install /dev/sda" and reboot. Do you still get that error?
08:48<babilen>prem: You mean you get a root console?
08:48<prem>yes babilen
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08:49<babilen>prem: Okay, so ... what did you expect to happen? That is exactly what *should* happen …
08:49<Slaizer>babilen: I think i already have done that one. but i try it
08:49<prem>babilen, i want to get a set of commands or options which i want to perform in the recovery mode
08:50<babilen>Slaizer: Do you have a floppy drive?
08:50<prem>may be a filesystem check or falling back to root prompt
08:50<Slaizer>babilen: yes I have a floppy
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08:51<babilen>prem: And you cannot run commands in that console?
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08:52<babilen>What the hell is FlexNet?
08:52<Slaizer>babilen: the problem is still: Grub loading..., Welcome to grub, error: fd0 read error. but thanks for all the help from here.
08:53<Slaizer>babilen: dont ask me :P
08:53<abrotman>babilen: license mgmt
08:54*babilen shudders
08:54<babilen>I started reading about it and first hits suggest that a sensible way of dealing with flexnet is to simply zero the data there ...
08:55<babilen>abrotman: Do I understand this correctly: Some Windows software is installing licensing information into the MBR?
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08:55<Slaizer>babilen: do you have any suggestion? uninstall Flexnet, maybe?
08:56<abrotman>babilen: oh, maybe not in this context
08:56<babilen> oh, the wonders of modern technology .. the fun I am missing by running Linux
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08:56<abrotman>babilen: we can fix that? :)
08:56<babilen>abrotman: It looks as if it is doing just that ...
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08:56<abrotman>babilen: i'm a little creeped out now :)
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08:58<Slaizer>babilen: the problem should be solved by erasing flexnet?
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08:59<babilen>abrotman: Well, there are several "tutorials" along the lines of but I am not sure if I want to recommend that. It might cause dataloss and render the program that relies on FlexNet unusable.
08:59<abrotman>yoiu mean .. windows? :)
09:00<Cheiseun>I tried out LXDE and here is my apt log but now when I try apt-get autoremove to get rid of the dependencies it installed it doesn't do anything. Why isn't it removing the dependencies?
09:00<babilen>Slaizer: But back to your immediate problem. Could you try "grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda" ?
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09:00<babilen>abrotman: Oh! I thought Photoshop or something along those lines :) -- yeah, rendering Windows unusable would be, well, suboptimal. (at least if that is not intended)
09:01<babilen>Cheiseun: Some other packages might suggest/recommend those packages.
09:01<babilen>Cheiseun: You can run "aptitude why PKG" to figure out why the package is still installed.
09:02<babilen>Slaizer: Yes, looks fine. Can you boot without the delay now?
09:02<Slaizer>babilen: let's see, no i can't :'(
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09:03<abrotman>babilen: i'm really not sure what would happen if you broke flexnet, depends what is licensed with it
09:03<Slaizer>babilen: can i remove 'FlexNet'? I am being shown the Grub Menu after the error message
09:03<jww_>I got some zombie process that still use a TCP port, any idea on how I could clear that without rebooting ?
09:03<jww_>I need to use that port.
09:04<abrotman>jww_: rebooting
09:04<jww_>note that the parent process is init.
09:04<babilen>Slaizer: I will not give *any* recommendation regarding FlexNet as I simply don't know much about it and have no idea what overwriting that information would entail.
09:04<babilen>Slaizer: Can you disable the floppy in your BIOS?
09:04<jww_>abrotman: I'd like to avoid rebooting.
09:04<Slaizer>babilen: ok, just one minute
09:04<babilen>Slaizer: Are you using a RAID setup?
09:05<abrotman>jww_: then not much you can do
09:05<Slaizer>babilen: what is a RAID setup?
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09:06<babilen>Slaizer: If you don't know then you don't use it :) (essentially the configuration of combining multiple physical drives into one logical one for speed and reliability)
09:07<babilen>Slaizer: Your fd0 error is, most likely, unrelated to the FlexNet message btw
09:07<jww_>abrotman: doh
09:07<babilen>jww_: Why is rebooting a problem?
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09:08<Cheiseun>babilen: I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but from what I am gathering all lxde-core's dependencies circularly-recommend each other :/
09:08<jww_>because the computer is 800km away, if something go bad I'll have to go there, also people are using that computer now.
09:08<Slaizer>babilen: error still exists, after i disabled the floppy. I have one drive that I dont know what that one is. I have one external drive, and it also reads something else. hmm...
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09:10<Slaizer>babilen: the removable drive is a Wester Digital. so it has two boot orders on the same disk :S. is this causing any problems?
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09:13<Cheiseun>So my new question is: is there an easy way to remove all of those dependancies I don't need anymore or do I have to remove them all one by one?
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09:21<haylo>Cheiseun: you dont want to remove depeendencies like that. If you want a slimmer and less resource intensive debian + xfce installation, i suggest building one up from a base install of debian. And just adding the things you need, and maybe experiment with the --no-install-recommends flag for apt-get while installing some of the packages.
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09:24<babilen>Slaizer: It might be related to that, yes
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09:28<Cheiseun>haylo: just to make things clear, I installed lxde just to try it out and I decided I don't want it anymore so I am trying to remove it. I am not just trying to trim it down. I haven't installed or otherwise changed my system since what I showed in the log, so I don't see how removing all the dependancies it listed could cause any problems.
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09:31<cybersphinx>Cheiseun: Try apt-get autoremove or deborphan.
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09:32<Samkov>does anyone have a preferred method of making system backups?
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09:33<Cheiseun>cybersphinx as I said apt-get autoremove isn't removing anything, that is why I came here. I will look at deborphan though.
09:34<haylo>Cheiseun: next time use purge instead of just remove
09:34<zykotic10>Cheiseun: if you used aptitude instead of apt-get to remove stuff, then autoremove isn't required
09:34<haylo>im looking through the apt-options , i know there is a way to get rid of the stuff, without reinstalling and properly purging the package
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09:35<Slaizer>babilen: now have i tried everything, it feels like. So, do i have to live with the start-up error from 'grub'?
09:35<Cheiseun>does purge do something more than also removing leftover configuration files?
09:36<zykotic10>Cheiseun: purge just removes configs as well
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09:38<Cheiseun>Okay then I don't see how purge would've done anything to clear up the dependancies of the removed package.
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09:40<haylo>there is apt-get autoremove , you are right purge only gets rid of config files, some config files are packages though
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10:02<wetdirtmud>After installing the 3.2.0-4 kernel and rebooting - I'm still on 2.6.32. Can I change this ?
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10:14<wetdirtmud>wellton, I was trying to upgrade squeeze to wheezy (came across way too many dependency issues). It installed the new kernel - but it did not change it to the default.
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10:15<wetdirtmud>s/change it to/set it as/
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10:18<gnugr>dpkg: tell wetdirtmud -about squeeze->wheezy
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10:19<gnugr>wetdirtmud:check the message from dpkg bot
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10:22<wetdirtmud>gnugr, thank you :)
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10:25<jthomas>Good day. I've been fighitng this for a while: starting Chromium from CLI works great; starting it from an icon has a very unusable, red window. I'm running KDE on Debian Testing.
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10:52<adri>Hello, I would like to ask if anyone has problems with slow performance of your hard disk with debian 7
10:53<trico>mine seems ok, but i dont test that much
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10:53<adri>I see it uses AHCI driver
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10:53<trico>id look that mount optinos and disk health first. they all use ahci nowadays
10:54<adri>the whole system is slow, hard disk databases mysql
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10:54<adri>i`m using old motherboard socket 775
10:55<adri>and support sata 2
10:55<dpkg>somebody said smart was the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure; ask me about <smartd>. S.M.A.R.T. can also be unreliable, no reason to believe it blindly without further testing.
10:55<adri>my hard drive is WD SATA 3 64 cache black
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10:56<peter1138>SMART says my dying drive is fine :S
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10:56<adri>and debian 6 system flying
10:56<Calinou>you can't use SATA 3 with SATA 2 obviously
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10:57<Calinou>on top of that, SATA 3 is useless for HDD, it is only useful for SSDs, and not that useful (only useful for large file copies)
10:57<Calinou>no HDD can go above 200MB/s ;)
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10:57<Calinou>also, 5400rpm HDDs are
10:57<adri>I found that WD 1 TB SATA 3 black has a factory defect with the mechanics
10:57<adri>no, my hard drive is a 7200 rpm
10:57<adri>and BLACK
10:58<Calinou>caviar black, your ears must suffer in load 8)
10:58<Calinou>sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
10:58<Calinou>try this
10:58<adri>WD Black series is the fast
10:58<Calinou>this benchmarks your HDD and RAM sequential read speeds
10:58<adri>one sec
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10:58<Calinou>it is, but it sucks in terms of noise
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10:59<Calinou>(of course, change /dev/sda to your hard drive)
10:59<adri>Timing cached reads: 2694 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1347.16 MB/sec
10:59<adri>Timing buffered disk reads: 408 MB in 3.01 seconds = 135.47 MB/sec
10:59<adri>read speed is ok
10:59<adri>but write speed is a problem
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11:01<adri>hard disk pass through tests and format with HDAT2 MHDD HDDERASE WD life guard diagnostic, no one bad sector problem
11:02<gnugr>adri:is ahci driver loaded?
11:03<musca>peter1138: yes, smart begins to predict drive failure when it happens almost immediately :S
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11:03<adri>thats it
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11:05<adri>I tried the option in the bios AHCI mode, but no difference in the rate
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11:07<adri>JMB363 SATA/IDE controler
11:08<gnugr>adri:can you please paste the output of "lspci -vvv -s 00:1f.2 | grep 'SATA\|Kernel driver'" to see if ahci driver is loaded?
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11:09<adri>one moment
11:09<adri>00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller #1 (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
11:09<adri> Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
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11:09<adri>ata_piix ?
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11:10<gnugr>yes, driver is loaded
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11:11<adri>then what is the problem?
11:12<adri>maybe something hard disk is damaged
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11:13<haylo>adri: sometimes the damage is only really concetrated in one over used section of a hard drive, like the begining of the drive
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11:14<adri>yes, but the disk has gone through testing, no problems, SMART says the disc is in perfect condition
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11:15<adri>apparently there really is a manufacturing defect with the mechanics of the disc
11:15<peter1138>sharing with a CDROM drive too?
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11:16<adri>hirens`s boot cd
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11:17<adri>thanks anyway, good day
11:17<gnugr>adri:but ata_piix must be pre:ahci
11:18<adri>but is not installed on my site already takes full 11 minutes and was about 5 minutes
11:19<adri>working with databases mysql is grief
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11:19<gnugr>adri:check this->
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11:20<adri>Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169
11:21<gnugr>adri:do you have "contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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11:22<adri>yes why ?
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11:22<gnugr>to get firmware-realtek
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11:25<wompa>adri, yes, install the package firmrware-realtek which contains the non-free firmware you may need
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11:27<adri>there is no such package.
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11:27<wompa>adri, sorry, there was a typo
11:28<wompa>firmware, not firmrware
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11:28<adri>Couldn't find any package by regex '*firmware-realtek'
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11:29<musca>,v firmware-realtek
11:29<judd>Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.38; sid/non-free: 0.38
11:29<peter1138>er, yeah, without the *
11:29<adri>ok i found it
11:31<adri>then what?
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11:32<wompa>adri, now your realtek network interface should work and update-initramfs should not complain about missing firmware rtl-something
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11:33<wompa>adri, you did install it?
11:33<adri>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 витх но еррорс
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11:33<adri>with no errors
11:33<gnugr>adri:we suggested you to get firmware-realtek because you posted that "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169"
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11:35<adri>I guess after reboot will see the difference
11:35<gnugr>adri:did you read what i posted for your ahci driver?
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11:37<adri>will see, thank you
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11:45<adri>no change, even more slowly now
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11:46<HiddenWolf>Can someone help me figure out why I can't resize my FS after adding a disk to raid:
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11:48<trico>what does this new disk do to the RAID? you need to fix that first
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11:49<HiddenWolf>It should just go in the array like a good little disk.
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11:51<trico>why? is it a hot spare or a replacement? what raid level do yo have?
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11:51<HiddenWolf>It is raid 5. It is intended to expand the array.
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11:52<dclarke>good day unto ye Debianites, wherefore doth one go to sort out a somewhat borked video driver in jessie? Is there a valid driver for the AMD Catalyst hardware ?
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11:55<dclarke>guess .. no one knows .. off to I guess
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11:56<Apollo>AMD Catalyst harware?
11:56<Apollo>Catalyst isn't an AMD line
11:56<Apollo>it's their control center
11:56<dclarke>sorry .. let me try again
11:56<dclarke>AMD Radeon HD 6310
11:56<Dale>can someone please help me get debian installed on thiis dammed UEFI enabled Laptop???
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11:57<dclarke>I just found a discussion thread somewhere about it on Fedora however I am running jessie here
11:57<mtn>dclarke: #debian-next is for jessie support
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11:58<dclarke>I have this sinking feeling I was a bit too aggressive to even think of doing an upgrade to jessie .. however .. yes .. thank you .. I should have seen this coming
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11:59<Dale>can someone please help me get debian installed on thiis dammed UEFI enabled Laptop???
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12:02<Dale>anyone help me?
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12:04<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
12:05<Dale>okay well lhow do i get debian or any linux distro on a UEFI enabled laptop?
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12:06<sney>you insert the install media and boot from it, and then you follow the installer instructions normally. it's been uefi-able for at least a year
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12:07<Dale>i have tried using the debian windows installer and after reboot it comes up screen saying file errors and boots into indows
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12:08<SynrG>Dale: ah, finally, some actual information about your problem. which errors, though?
12:08<sney>Dale, use the normal installer iso, from if you don't have a cd it can be written to a usb drive using
12:08<SynrG>or what sney said
12:08<SynrG>Dale: generally asking "anyone" for help is not a good opening line. we need details.
12:08<OdyX>well, actually you don't need a usb key. Just launch !win32-loader from teh internetz
12:08<dpkg>[win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader" is a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <win32-loader.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>.
12:09<dpkg> will install Debian side-by-side with an existing Microsoft Windows operating system. It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, can replace Windows entirely. It supports the GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/Hurd Debian-Installer flavours as of version 0.7.4. Also ask me about <install guide>.
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12:09<sney>OdyX, thanks for spam, but it sounds like that's what he already did...
12:09<SynrG>OdyX: see the prior plea for help. i gather Dale did that and had [errors] due somehow to UEFI
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12:09<SynrG>OdyX: hence the suggestion he not use that method
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12:10<SynrG>i have no idea if it supports UEFI or not
12:10<OdyX>meh. A bugreport would be nice though.
12:10<SynrG>given the level of information we have so far ...
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12:10<SynrG>i think hoping for a bug report is aiming a little high :)
12:10<OdyX>UEFI is irrelevant for win32-loader, which will hook itself in the windows bootloader.
12:10<SynrG>13:07 < Dale> i have tried using the debian windows installer and after reboot it comes up screen saying file errors and
12:10<SynrG> boots into indows
12:11<SynrG>OdyX: ^^ care to explain where it went wrong, then? theories?
12:11<Dale>all i know is when i reboot it states missing file ******.mbr then asks for windows installation disk to try and repair
12:11<SynrG>(of course we still need the exact error messages from Dale)
12:11<SynrG>Dale: i know it's early in the boot and it might whiz by ... a photo might help
12:11<sney>just try it with the normal installer, it'll be less headache
12:11<OdyX>SynrG: I suspect some too-new Windows (win32-loader was tested last on Windows 7) or an esoteric bootloader
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12:12<Dale>will unetbootin subsitute normal installer?
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12:12<SynrG>ok. saying it's missing ******.mbr sounds like Windows bootloader is unhappy
12:12<sney>don't use unetbootin. use the win32 image writer I linked earlier.
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12:12<Dale>is it possible to install without any media storage devices ( away from home)
12:13<sney>not really
12:13<SynrG>OdyX: if you want to debug broken windows bootloader and continue poking at the win32-loader thing, be my guest. :) probably off-topic for here, though.
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12:13<Dale>okay , well SynrG , how would i make windows bootloader happy?
12:13<OdyX>SynrG: fwiw, I'm the "win32-loader thing" maintainer.
12:13<SynrG>Dale: that's precisely the problem i just said i do *not* want to help solve
12:14<SynrG>OdyX: sure ... i'm just saying fixing the broken (apparently) windows bootloader is probably not a "here" thing
12:14<OdyX>a verbose bugreport with pictures et'al from Dale would be useful, preferably with Windows version and machine details.
12:15<OdyX>.oO(But indeed, sorry for having chimed in with too short backlog read)
12:15<SynrG>Dale: ^^ what he said
12:15<SynrG>Dale: so at this juncture you have a choice: either continue solving it with win32-loader (or at least filing the bug report) and that would be a Good Thing(tm) because it helps others
12:16<SynrG>Dale: or else abandon that method and like sney said, use the standard installer.
12:16<SynrG>Dale: (or choice 3, do both, first filing the bug report, then abandoning that method :)
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12:17<Dale>i dont think it matters the exact file missing as much as you all say , it states there is one file missing ( ****.mbr) i have tried various linux distros , Debian , Ubuntu etc all state they are missing one file on start up .
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12:17<SynrG>Dale: nevertheless, the developer (OdyX) said a picture would help.
12:18<SynrG>i think i trust his opinion on what's useful to him
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12:18<SynrG>that, and the windows version and machine details
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12:19<Dale>im running windows 8
12:19<Dale>it came with the laptop
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12:20<Dale>i have installed various linux distros to other machines wiith no problem , but there is something else stopping me here
12:20<OdyX>aww, indeed. Windows 8 is the thing I was afraid of.
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12:21<Dale>Anyway i can get Linux installed on my Windows 8 machine?
12:21<blami>Dale: it is certainly EFI system
12:22<blami>Dale: do you want to maintain Win8 install or replace it with Linux completely?
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12:22<sney>Dale, I'm pretty sure the normal installer will work just fine... it's up to you to find some removable media
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12:22<Dale>I would like to keep windows 8 , for media and game purposes
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12:23<Dale>a dual boot of debian and windows 8 is what im after
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12:25<trico>install windows first. when you get to the format step, you need to create partitions, one for windows, the rest unpartitioned.
12:25<Dale>windows is already installed ( my main OS which came preinstalled on this laptop)
12:25<blami>trico: he don't need to remove win8 at all
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12:26<trico>maybe not, but thats easiest, especially if you have the restore partition/discs
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12:26<blami>Dale: first thing which determines next step is to boot laptop into BIOS/Firmware menu and check whether secure boot toggle is there
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12:27<blami>trico: in case of efi system it is not because by reinstalling you destroy secure boot signature and will have to re-activate machine
12:27<Dale>i disabled secure boot earlier
12:27<blami>Dale: then you will need efibootmgr-enabled livecd
12:27<blami>Dale: I recommend grml which has everything you need
12:28<blami>Dale: not sure if Debian still lacks EFI support on install media, if so, you'd need to do debootstrap installation
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12:28<zeptis>Excuse me, I'd like to write a udev rule for my phone to mount using libmtp, but I'm more than a little confused. I know the device's name and codes via lsusb, but I still don't know how to write a rule after reading the docs.
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12:29<blast007>wheezy support UEFI
12:29<trico>blami: good to know
12:29<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported.
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12:30<blami>blast007: sure? Last time i tried it it installed on GPT just fine but failed me in bootloader install step (tried to install grub-pc instead of uefi variant)
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12:30<sney>yes, the wheezy installer supports uefi
12:31<zeptis>Anyone willing to talk me through writing a udev rule for a device 1004:620e?
12:31<sney>did you file a bug when it didn't work for you? not every uefi board is the same
12:31<blami>Dale: if it is true what blast007 says it is very easy. You only need to resize existing Win8 partition to make space for Deb installation
12:31<sney>blami, yeah, we've been over this. Dale's limitation is that he doesn't have a CDR or a usb key to put the installer on.
12:32<Dale>so if i get wheezy , write to disk and install on reboot it should work?
12:32<Slaizer>hi all, i have this problem with my computer: exactly like that, but a have a floppy, but have disabled it. Someone with any suggestions?
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12:32<sney>Dale, write to a removable disk, yes
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12:33<Dale>yeah ( ihavent got one just now) but it seems impossible without it
12:33<blami>sney: my case it is mentioned in errata
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12:34<sney>Dale, as OdyX said the win32-loader only works up to windows 7. so yes, you need one. but if you're anywhere near civilization it should be easy to find one
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12:34<sney>they're so cheap and common nowadays
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12:34<Dale>willl it work with a DVD
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12:35<[UP]Crystal>It will works from any source
12:35<Dale>do i neeed to switch from GTP to MBR drives?
12:35<sney>Dale, no
12:36<Dale>okay , well thanks for the suggestions its appreciated . sorry if i wasnt too helpfull on my side , im just a bit hot headed over the hassle its giving me
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12:37<sney>Slaizer, the bug report says it's fixed in the version of grub that's currently in unstable, you could possibly backport that package
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12:39<sney>!tell Slaizer about ssb
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12:41<SynrG>sney, OdyX: i think our dpkg bot factoids are a bit deficient helping win8 users :p
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12:42<SynrG>probably a good idea to a) warn about limitation of win32-loader and b) point to a "dual boot guide" that isn't explicitly for only up to win7
12:42<sney>if there is a good one yet
12:43<SynrG>well, that's the thing. i'm not going to do the research or write one, either :p but if this is near and dear to OdyX ... ;)
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12:43<SynrG>the confusion over this is only going to increase in coming months
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13:16<dxiri>hello everyone! I was reading an article on that said you can become a volunteer sysadmin for the Debian Project, and I am very interested but haven't found any documentation in how to do it or where to start, so I figure I should ask here, any info regarding this?
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13:22<somiaj>dxiri: what do you mean by sysadmin? Do you mean an admin for the faimly of servers? a sys admin for a mirror or a debian matainer?
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13:24<haylo>dxiri: to help as volunteer
13:24<Slaizer>hi all, i have exactly this problem: I have tried installing debian backports software. I cant get this right. Anyone with some advice?
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13:25<somiaj>dxiri: but if they ment debian matianer, you should check out the debian new matainers guide (useful in letting ya know what a matainer for a package does). To become one you have to basically get a mentor (#debian-mentors can help with more clarification on the process) to sponser you and your package.
13:26<haylo>and to help as a developer is here . you can join the various channels on the network and see the devel process in the meantime. debians process it transperent
13:26<sney>Slaizer, did you follow the instructions the dpkg bot gave you to backport grub-pc?
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13:32<dxiri>somiaj: I mean as an admin for the family of servers
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13:34<somiaj>dxiri: I wouldn't know where to look for that.
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13:37<haylo>dxiri: 2nd or 3rd paragraph down
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13:38<haylo>set up your mirror and submit it here org faimly of servers? a sys admin for a mirror or a debian matainer?
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13:38<haylo>set up your mirror and submit it here *
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13:39<haylo>sorry, bad paste
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13:43<nick_21>hi guys ...... I have just installed Debian 7 this morning and Gnome3 has crashed on my computer. I mean everytime I try to log into my computer, it gives me gnome 2 environment. I want gnome 3 . Please help
13:44<sney>what video hardware
13:44<zykotic10>nick_21: gnome-shell requires 3d support... what sney just asked ;)
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13:46<nick_21>I'm running on standard Intel graphics acceleration . No extra video card
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13:46<zykotic10>nick_21: "lspci | grep -i vga"
13:47<nick_21>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10)
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13:49<zykotic10>nick_21: sorry, is this a hybrid intel/nvidia system? does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" list two cards?
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13:50<nick_21>no ... i have pasted everything i received as output by running that command
13:50<zykotic10>nick_21: you did try with the -v?
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13:52<zykotic10>nick_21: you might want to check for lines with EE in /var/log/Xorg.0.log then. best of luck.
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14:02<nick_21>where can I find documentations related to troubleshooting gnome 3........ any suggestions ???
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14:08<zykotic10>nick_21: your issue is most likely Xorg/Intel related, if you are getting the fallback gnome3 instead of gnome-shell
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14:27<stomanata>is it splash screen only when system starts or it is even when i start some program and icon jump around mouse?
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14:36<Slaizer>hi all, have this problem that Grub is returning the: rd0 error at startup. have the same situation: not working, installed grub2 also.
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15:41<jthomas>Good day. I've been fighitng this for a while: starting Chromium from CLI works great; starting it from an icon has a very unusable, red window. I'm running KDE on Debian Testing.
15:42<jthomas>How can I fix this or troubleshoot it? I've tried erasing the Chrome preferences that I've found; I think it's an issue with Gnome icons some how.
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15:45<SamB>jthomas: like, maybe there are flags in the .desktop file?
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15:46<mbentley>jthomas: have you created another user account to test from a clean home directory?
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15:48<SamB>jthomas: have you tried catting it?
15:48<jthomas>mbentley works fine from that new account
15:48<jthomas>the .desktop file looks fine to me
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15:49<jthomas>it seems to be a config file or setting for my account, but not tied to the Chromium-specific config
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15:50<SamB>good luck tracking it down
15:50<jthomas>yeah it's a headache
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15:54<paradigmarson>What driver will I need for a Huawei E3131 2G/3G dongle?
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15:59<musca>jthomas: in settings / appearance you can choose GTK+-Theme or Classic Design
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16:02<blast007>paradigmarson: you might not need any driver. Does it show up as a storage device when you attach it? If so, you may need to use usb-modeswitch to switch the device into the right mode.
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16:12<paradigmarson>Thanks blast007 . Looks like you're right. I've just got some instructions translated by google from a polish debian forum, but they aren't crystal-clear. Can you recommend an easier guide?
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16:13<paradigmarson>I don't actually have the device with me, so I'm getting instructions for offline use.
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16:15<dpkg>usb_modeswitch is a tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices, e.g. WAN dongles. This utility can disable the storage device (aka "ZeroCD", containing non-Linux drivers) and enable the serial device. Packaged for Debian as usb-modeswitch, additional devices are supported in version 20100826-1+squeeze0 (part of the <6.0.1> point release).
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16:17<paradigmarson>Thanks very much.
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16:27<paradigmarson>Is it possible to get all info pages for installed programs for offline use?
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16:32<rudi_s>paradigmarson: Install the -doc packages for all packages?
16:32<trico>manpages are installed by default, no?
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16:33<paradigmarson>Yeah, but I gather that manpages are often out-of-date and inferior to info pages? Or am I wrong?
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16:34<paradigmarson>Anyway I guess I'll get cracking installing -do packages, thanks rudi_s
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16:35<rudi_s>paradigmarson: It depends on the package. Some packages don't have an info page, some have the same as the man page, some have a (vastly) superior info page.
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16:35<xylon>gnome 3 SUX it SUUUCKS!!
16:35<rudi_s>And some packages include the info page in the package, others install them with the -doc package.
16:35<rudi_s>xylon: xfce
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16:36<trico>ubuntu had a section in synaptic under status, 'installed missing doc' not sure if theres a way to get that category in debian
16:36<rudi_s>Or use no desktop environment at all and just a good window manager.
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16:39<doubledutch>I would go with rudi_s and second that
16:39<trico>oh, its under custom filters. 'missing recommends' search there for 'doc'
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17:25<nfisher>Hi all i have a script in ~/script/ which i want to execute by typing 'script1' in terminal; how can i accomplish that?
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17:26<_Alex>nfisher: chmod +x to make it executable, move it to ~/bin and don't use .sh, leave it with no extensions
17:27<doubledutch>nfisher: make sure that it's in your $PATH environment variable. Type "echo $PATH" to find out where you should put it before you "chmod a+x" it
17:27<_Alex>If you wish to have it under ~/scripts, change ~/.profile last lines "~/bin" to "~/scripts"
17:27<doubledutch>For example, ~/bin isn't in my $PATH
17:27<nfisher>_Alex, there is no ~/bin on my machine and i would prefer not to have one..
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17:28<_Alex>nano ~/.profile, look for # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
17:28<doubledutch>nfisher: I don't blame you. nothing like ~/[ANYTHING] is in my $PATH
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17:29<doubledutch>_Alex: So first "echo $PATH" and then remove the .sh and put it anywhere in your $PATH and then "chmod a+x" it.
17:29<dpkg>Hi, doubledutch!
17:29<nfisher>so moving the script to /usr/bin would do? /usr/bin is in my PATH
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17:30<doubledutch>nfisher: Short answer, yes. Long answer, fuck yeah try it out, Debian is a shitstorm of fun.
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17:30<_Alex>Yes, but you can change what is on your PATH "by default", i.e. when you log in. Check ~/.profile as I said... You could also place it under /bin, that would do it.
17:31<galvao>Hi everyone. I've noticed that my ethernet shows up in Network Management as "unmanaged". I also noticed that if I plug my ethernet cable and turn wifi off nothing happens. How can I fix this?
17:31<nfisher>moved it to /usr/bin. It does. thanks all!
17:31<galvao>"nothing happens" == ethernet remains "unmanaged"
17:31<doubledutch>galvao: have you tried "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0"?
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17:32<doubledutch>Is your router supplying DHCP?
17:32<galvao>doubledutch: No. Just execute that?
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17:32<doubledutch>try "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0"
17:32<ImageJPEG>when will debian fix the issue with grub with the latest update?
17:32<galvao>doubledutch: yes, otherwise I wouldn't be able to connect via wifi... right?
17:33<doubledutch>galvao: wi-fi is a different animal, trying to solve these in order...
17:33<galvao>ok ok
17:33<doubledutch>FIrst get your "unmanaged" eth0 taken care of
17:33<doubledutch>Then move on to getting wi-fi to work properly.
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17:33<galvao>doubledutch: should I paste the output?
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17:34<doubledutch>Have you looked up wpasupplicant docs, what kind of wi-fi module you need (BCM?)
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17:34<doubledutch>Not sure what you need for wi-fi
17:34<doubledutch>I've actually got to run, I'll check here in about 20ish minutes.
17:34<galvao>No, no... my wifi works perfectly
17:34<galvao>"just" the ethernet
17:35<doubledutch>I see. Wish I could help further, will return in 20ish
17:35<_Alex>galvao: If you are only interested in connecting to the ethernet interface you don't need a network manager. Kill it and edit /etc/network/interfaces to add eth0 or whatever is your ethernet interface.
17:35<jhr>would anyone be open to help me with a grub problem? i just messed up with an upgrade
17:36<jhr>it runs into file not found, then rescue mode
17:36<galvao>_Alex: I must add that I'm a complete noob in those matters
17:36<_Alex>Here's a good how-to.
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17:36<galvao>_Alex: I'm used to "plug the ethernet cable and it just works"
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17:36<galvao>as it did in Squeeze
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17:37<_Alex>You upgraded and it stopped working?
17:37<galvao>complete fresh install
17:37<galvao>_Alex: I did the whole installation process wired
17:37<galvao>once I finished
17:37<galvao>eth0 just stopped working and went to "Unmanaged"
17:38<_Alex>Ok. The issue might be with your network manager. Well, you can try setting the interfaces manually as described on that link, just don't use a network manager then.
17:38<_Alex>Or you can use a different network manager. I use wicd.
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17:39<galvao>but the "ideal" solution would be to fix this NM right? I mean, I'm affraid to lose every connection method
17:40<_Alex>I guess. Try just killing the process (not removing the NM) and adding those lines to the interfaces file. If it doesn't work just remove the lines and restart the NM. That's so you can know if the issue is indeed with the NM.
17:40<galvao>so instead of stopping the NM I find it's process and kill it?
17:41<_Alex>You can stop it, it's better if you do actually.
17:41<galvao>my thought exactly =)
17:41<galvao>so once I do I'll automatically disconnect right?
17:41<_Alex>You're using wi-fi?
17:41<_Alex>Yeah, probably.
17:42<galvao>k, let me just check how is my file first to see if I can spot differences
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17:42<_Alex>I assume you are using dhcp
17:42<_Alex>And that you know what interface to connect to
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17:42<galvao>_Alex: I'm assuming eth0...
17:43<_Alex>Issue ifconfig to be sure, it might be ethSOMETHING
17:43<galvao>I see
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17:44<galvao>_Alex: I see eth0 and eth0:avahi (other then lo and wlan0)
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17:44<_Alex>Try both, I'm not familiar with your interfaces.
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17:46<galvao>_Alex: This is my interfaces file: Aren't the "important pieces" already there?
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17:47<_Alex>Yes, eth0 should be working.
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17:47<_Alex>Did you put it up?
17:47<galvao>no, it was already like this
17:47<galvao>I haven't touched it
17:48<_Alex>No, I mean, did you put the interface up?
17:48<andrew_>hi, I just dist-upgraded a box that uses mdadm for all it's o/s partitons, and it won't boot the new (3.2.8) kernel because it can't find the root volume - booting old kernels works fine
17:48<galvao>command? (Damn, I'm very sorry for being such a noob on this subject)
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17:48<_Alex>ifup eth0 I believe
17:48<_Alex>as root
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17:49<galvao>"ifup: interface eth0 already configured"
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17:50<andrew_>just checked, the UUID for / is correct in mdadm.conf
17:50<mtn>galvao: you need to comment out the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and then your network manager will work ok
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17:51<galvao>mtn: It works right now, but just for wifi
17:51<galvao>eth remains "unmanaged". Just commenting will solve the whole deal?
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17:51<mtn>galvao: see the eth0 in that line? there is your problem I believe
17:52<hectormgerardo>Hello everybody c:
17:52<galvao>mtn: So instead of commenting the whole line I could rewrite it without the "eth0"?
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17:52<mtn>galvao: no, comment the line out if you want to use the network manager to handle it
17:53<galvao>I'll try and hopefully come back to thank you all =)
17:53<galvao>'cause I'll need to restart the NM right?
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17:53<jhr>mtn: thank you!
17:53<mtn>galvao: yes, though reboot is not necessary
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17:54<mtn>galvao: good luck
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17:54<hectormgerardo>Houston, i have a problem.
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17:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:56<hectormgerardo>Thanks. Let's begin. I have a problem with my a microphone and Skype®
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17:57<mtn>hectormgerardo: put it all in one sentence please, not line after line
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17:58<hectormgerardo>Ok. I can't use microphone on any application, it's a built-in mic. ALC272. Debian Wheezy, fresh install. I don't have any idea to make it works.
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18:00<kingsley>hectormgerardo: Can the same computer play sounds OK?
18:00<mtn>hectormgerardo: start with alsamixer and check out the sound levels for the mic
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18:00<andrew_>somehow it appears my root volume has 2 UUIDs - mounted in 2.6.32, it's /dev/md1: LABEL="root" UUID="74ed7..., but the actual partition is /dev/sdo1: UUID="0eccc..., and in the grub config for 3.2.8, it's specifying root is 0eccc.... - how do I fix this?
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18:03<andrew_>and the other raid member is /dev/sdp2: UUID="0eccc...
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18:07<andrew_>well, no, that's not the issue, because it's specified the same for all the kernel versions in grub.cfg, "--set=root --hint='mduuid/0ecc...' 74ed....
18:07<andrew_>so something is wrong with the initrd being built for 3.2.8
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18:09<andrew_>oh, heh, replace a 3.2.8 with 3.8-2 - little dislexic I guess :)
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18:14<LtL>andrew_: it's `dyslexic` i are a greate spellr ;)
18:14<LtL>andrew_: just kidding man
18:14<andrew_>that's ok :)
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18:14<galvao>mtn, doubledutch and TML: Guys, thank you a LOT for all the help with my networking issues. You guys solved a ton of problems I've been having all day long
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18:15<galvao>oh and _Alex
18:15<galvao>ciao, guys!
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18:30<Nacho>I ran the following command on a test system to destroy the boot-portion of my MBR and then attempt to fix it with Debian's rescue installer option
18:30<Nacho>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1 count=446
18:31<Nacho>I verified the partition table is intact
18:31<Nacho>however, I've tried restoring grub and have failed
18:31<Nacho>end up at a grub> prompt when I try to boot
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18:31<Nacho>I've tried going into installer's "rescue" mode, then running grub-install /dev/sda
18:31<Nacho>Anyone want to suggest anything?
18:32<nulld1g1t>Hi all
18:32<_Alex>Hi, I was removing some old kernels and all went fine, except for this message: ... I checked and that folder only has an empty file called modules.builtin.bin
18:32<Nacho>dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc also didn't work
18:32<_Alex>Is it ok to remove it?
18:32<mtn>Nacho: your grub config file might not be correct as far as root goes
18:32<Nacho>I use LVM, but just have a single root partition /dev/solid/root
18:33<Nacho>And it was working before
18:33<mtn>Nacho: ok, I know nothing of lvm
18:33<Nacho>But I did also run update-grub from the "rescue" environment
18:33<Nacho>also did not work
18:33<Nacho>the partition UUID's in /boot/grub/grub.cfg are correct
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18:33<nulld1g1t>Hi Nacho
18:33<nulld1g1t>I upgraded recently
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18:34<nulld1g1t>it destroyed everything
18:34<nulld1g1t>bloody grub
18:34<nulld1g1t>I was starting the kernel on a dm device
18:34<nulld1g1t>the previous grub was ok
18:34<nulld1g1t>the new one not
18:35<nulld1g1t>Is it what you are trying to do ?
18:35<Nacho>nulld1g1t: I haven't upgrade or anything, this is a test machine that I broke on purpose to try to fix. I'm testing my skills at bootloader problems, and that's kind of my weak point.
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18:36<Nacho>I am trying to figure out why everything I tried hasn't restored grub properly
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18:36<nulld1g1t>whenever you make grub confi
18:36<Nacho>I've used the rescue mode's "reinstall boot loader" option
18:36<nulld1g1t>you need to run grub-update
18:36<nulld1g1t>or grub2-update
18:36<Nacho>Did that, ran "grub-update /dev/sda" and "grub-update --recheck /dev/sda"
18:37<zykotic10>it's update-grub
18:37<nulld1g1t>what is the message grub throw ?
18:37<Nacho>both times without error, but still won't boot - end up at a grub> prompt
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18:37<nulld1g1t>what is the error message ?
18:37<Nacho>my bad, "update-grub" is what I meant
18:37<Nacho>I'm in the root shell in rescue mode right now
18:37<Nacho>I'll run update-grub2 /dev/sda
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18:38<nulld1g1t>and ...
18:38<Nacho>Generating grub.cfg ...
18:38<nulld1g1t>check dmesg
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18:38<Nacho>nothing new in dmesg
18:39<Nacho>Then I ran
18:39<Nacho>grub-install /dev/sda
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18:39<nulld1g1t>is /dev/sda a primary partition ?
18:39<Nacho>Installation finished. No error reported.
18:39<zykotic10>Nacho: doing grub-install first, then update-grub makes more sense BTW
18:40<nulld1g1t>you need to install the bootloader in a partition with the bootable flag on !
18:40<mtn>Nacho: if it is booting to a rescue prompt, it is installed correctly, something else must be wrong
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18:40<zykotic10>nulld1g1t: grub doesn't care/use boot flag
18:40<nulld1g1t>can you check that ?
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18:40<Nacho>zykotic10: I thought update-grub was used to create /boot/grub/grub.cfg file and grub-install was used to write the boot sector based on the grub.cfg file. Is that wrong?
18:41<zykotic10>Nacho: no, that sounds about right
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18:41<nulld1g1t>what happen at reboot ?
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18:41<Nacho>zykotic10: So wouldn't I run "update-grub" first, and then "grub-install"?
18:41<mtn>Nacho: how about using: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
18:42<Nacho>On reboot I'm dropped into a "grub> " prompt
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18:42<nulld1g1t>I see
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18:42<Nacho>ls shows my partitions properly
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18:42<mtn>Nacho: it is installed correctly, not configed correctly
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18:43<Nacho>ls (solid-root)/boot shows my boot directory's contents
18:43<Nacho>mtn: I see. Any ideas what could be wrong?
18:43<mtn>Nacho: try my idea above?
18:44<Nacho>mtn: trying it now...
18:44<mtn>Nacho: then grub-install of course
18:44<Nacho>mtn: I got it, just getting into "rescue" system now...
18:45<sailor>hello, not sure if at right place.. but.. when trying to install snmp i get some errors.. depenencies
18:46<sailor>libsnmp15 : Depends: libsnmp-base (>= 5.4.3~dfsg-3)
18:46<sailor>and installing libsnmp-base (which goes ok); Setting up libsnmp-base (5.7.2~dfsg-7)
18:46<mtn>sailor: paste command and output to please
18:46<Nacho>mtn: Did that and rebooted, same old "grub> " prompt
18:46<mtn>Nacho: sorry, was my best idea :)
18:47<Nacho>Isn't "update-grub" supposed to auto-generate the grub.cfg file and auto-detect your partition UUID's and all that other tedious stuff?
18:47<Nacho>Or is there some manual file editing that must be done?
18:47<zykotic10>Nacho: "update-grub" should look after that stuff
18:47<Nacho>mtn: thanks for your suggestion
18:48<sailor>i did update/upgrade/dist-upgrade.. didnt help
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18:48<Nacho>So basically, it's time to roll up my sleeves and read thru the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file to see what's wrong?
18:49<nulld1g1t>grub-mkconfig should be creating a basic grub.cfg file
18:49<mtn>sailor: did you do "apt-get install libsnmp15" after the last command in your paste?
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18:49<sailor>yes. same result
18:50<mtn>sailor: please paste your source.list
18:50<Nacho>the failed outcome of this exercise makes me worry if one of my production Debian servers were to have bootloader problems
18:50<sailor>deb unstable main contrib non-free
18:50<sailor>only used
18:50<mtn>sailor: oh unstable, maybe #debian-next can help you
18:51<sailor>mkay. will try there :)
18:51<mtn>sailor: probably typical unstable problem
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18:51<andrew_>when you are running grub-install, are your partitions mounted normally? I have this in my notes, "grub-install --root-directory=[wherever it's mounted currently] /dev/sda1"
18:51<nulld1g1t>Nacho, have you changed your partions ?
18:51<nulld1g1t>do you have a boot partition ?
18:52<Nacho>I restored the VM to before I broke it
18:53<Nacho>Now I'm going to try grub-install /dev/sda to see if that breaks the system or if it still works. Maybe the problem had to do with "how" I broke my system
18:53<Nacho>mv /boot/grub/grub.cfg /root/grub.cfg
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18:54<Nacho>I verified the new /boot/grub/grub.cfg file is identical to the old file /root/grub.cfg
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18:54<Nacho>grub-install /dev/sda
18:54<Nacho>Grub still works, system loads great
18:54<Nacho>So it was possibly something I broke...
18:54<Nacho>when I did
18:55<Nacho>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1 count=446
18:55<Nacho>But that should have only over written the boot loader, and not the partition table
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18:55<Nacho>which I verified by viewing the partition table after that command was run
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18:57<Nacho>I'll break it again with "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1 count=445" and see if my grub recovery works this time...
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18:58<nulld1g1t>it is true after the 445th byte
18:58<Nacho>Nope, still broken (grub> prompt)
18:59<Nacho>f*****g s**t!!
18:59<Nacho>it's things like this that keep me humble
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18:59<nulld1g1t>Nacho, I found that online:
18:59<nulld1g1t>The BIOS decides if a drive is bootable based on the 16-byte partition record, present after the MBR code area (held in a table starting at the 446th byte). The first byte in each partition record represents the drive's bootable status (and is set to 0x80 if bootable, or 0x00 if not). Some BIOSes may check other parts of the MBR (e.g. partition types, checksums), but the basic requirement is the bootable flag
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19:00<lupine>sometimes they ignore it though
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19:01<lupine>still, it's good practice, in the (diminishing) cases where a bootable partition exists
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19:01<Nacho>But I only overwrote bytes 0-445 which is the "bootstrap code area"
19:02<Nacho>And when I reloaded Grub, doesn't grub re-write those bytes?
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19:02<lupine>can't say I'm that familiar with the exact bytes it plays with
19:02<Nacho>I'll do a dd and look at it in hexdump to see which sectors were left at 00
19:03<nulld1g1t>ok, interesting
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19:03<lupine>I typically treat the thing as a single 512-byte record
19:03<Nacho>me either, but I'm splitting hairs here to figure it out, maybe that'll shed some light on this
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19:04<nulld1g1t>well, I experience other inconveniences moving to wheezy
19:05<nulld1g1t>no more openvz kernel
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19:05<nulld1g1t>all my vm are useless
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19:05<nulld1g1t>I decided to rebuild everything from scratch using LXC
19:05<Nacho>So I copied my boot sector (512 bytes) with dd, then did a grub-install /dev/sda, then checked whether the md5sum of the new boot sector was the same as before
19:05<Nacho>And it was identical
19:05<Nacho>that's a start
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19:06<Nacho>Now I'll overwrite the first 446 bytes of my boot sector with zeroes, do a grub-install /dev/sda and see which sectors are still 0's
19:06<nulld1g1t>Nacho, was your mbr.conf ammended manually ?
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19:06<Nacho>nulld1g1t: mbr.conf?
19:07<nulld1g1t>grub.cfg , my mind is playing with me
19:07<Nacho>I haven't changed grub.cfg yet
19:07<Nacho>And I won't as part of this test
19:07<nulld1g1t>you are a step before
19:08<Nacho>I think what's happening is that those first 446 bytes have something in them that grub won't regenerate
19:08<nulld1g1t>are you comparing the hex dumps ?
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19:09<nulld1g1t>Nacho, you are courageous, it's been a long time I abandoned our friends lilo and grub
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19:10<nulld1g1t>I am more interested into the data inside the os now
19:10<SamB>Nacho: you mean like the partition table?
19:10<Nacho>I am too, but since I manage servers I have to be ready for this kind of crap
19:10<stderr>Nacho: You got an off-by-one error... "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1 count=445" You mean count=446, right?
19:10<Nacho>Just sharpening my rescue skills
19:11<Nacho>stderr: I tried them both
19:11<nulld1g1t>what about having your services virtualised ?
19:11<Nacho>the boot code has 446 bytes
19:11<Nacho>so I believe count=446 is correct, since that means 446 bytes
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19:12<nulld1g1t>0 to 444 = 445
19:13<nulld1g1t>have you tried 444 instead ?
19:13<Nacho>I found the problem
19:13<nulld1g1t>Nacho, I am all ears
19:13<Nacho>there are 2 bytes that grub is not rewriting
19:13<Nacho>and they are staying at 00
19:14<Nacho>They are bytes...(hold on, checking)
19:15<Nacho>0x1B4 and 0x1B5
19:15<Nacho>Originally they were cc17 and 80ba respectively
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19:15<stderr>How can one byte at 0x1B4 be CC17?
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19:17<Nacho>my bad, 4 bytes is what I meant not two bytes
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19:17<Nacho>0x1B8 thru 0x1BB
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19:20<Nacho>Who knows what those bytes do...
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19:20<Nacho>apparently something important
19:21<nulld1g1t>Nacho, remind me where they are located ?
19:21<nulld1g1t>those 2 bytes
19:21<Nacho>0x1B8 thru 0x1BB (it's 4 bytes not 2, my mistake)
19:21<stderr>Disk signature (optional, UEFI, Windows NT/2000/Vista/7 and other OSes)
19:21<stderr>According to wikipedia...
19:21<nulld1g1t>at 01b8
19:22<nulld1g1t>there is a optional signature
19:22<nulld1g1t>4 bytes in size
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19:23<Nacho>nulld1g1t: I wonder why those 4 bytes, which remained as zeroes after reinstalling grub, keep the machine from booting
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19:24<Nacho>nulld1g1t: hold on, just realized that is not keeping the system from rebooting
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19:25<cae>Nacho: it should not, that four byte integer should be filled from /dev/urandom (and be a random identifier for the physical disk)
19:25<Nacho>Apparently doing a grub-install while still in the original system, after overwriting the boot sectore, fixed it properly, while attempting to fix it from a "rescue" mode does not work.
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19:25<cae>Nacho: what BIOS didn't boot the zeroed identifier disk?
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19:26<Nacho>I was incorrect, it did in fact boot with those 4 bytes set to 00
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19:27<Nacho>My original problem is that apparently fixing grub from "rescue" mode doesn't work the same as fixing it from the live system before rebooting
19:27<nulld1g1t>what is grub doing then when run from the rescue mode ... ?
19:28<Nacho>finding out right now...
19:28<Nacho>booting into rescue mode now
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19:36<Nacho>nulld1g1t: The boot sector after fixing grub (grub-install /dev/sda) from rescue mode was identical to fixing grub from the live system, yet it will not boot after fixing grub from rescue mode.
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19:38<Nacho>I will verify this by going back into rescue mode, then restoring the sda.bin that I had originally, when I was able to boot the system, and if it still doesn't boot, then that means that grub-install run inside of rescue mode broke something else
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19:39<stderr>Could it be that it just didn't sync to disc right away?
19:39<ardex>my xserver shuts down on boot
19:39<OrangeTanger>Hello all can someone explain to me the :wait: option for run levels?
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19:40<Nacho>dd runs synchronously, and I verified that by looking at the boot sector with hexdump
19:40<stderr>A hexdump of the actual disk or some cache?
19:41<stderr>OrangeTanger: man inittab
19:41<Nacho>a hexdump of the disk's boot sectore, which I grabbed with dd
19:41<Nacho>OK, I restored the original boot sector that I had on a running system, and now it still won't boot.
19:41<nulld1g1t>Nacho, the size of your dump is ...
19:41<Nacho>So running "grub-install /dev/sda" while running a root shell in rescue mode might have broke something else
19:42<Nacho>My dump is the full 512 bytes
19:42<nulld1g1t>512 [the whole MBR] ? or a subset ?
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19:42<Nacho>dd if=/dev/sda of=/root/sda.bin bs=1 count=512
19:42<Nacho>Now I'm thinking grub-install modified some other file
19:42<OrangeTanger>stderr: i've read it. It was explained to me that it waits for something else to run. It sounded like in the man pages that init will wait until the action for that run level has been completed.
19:43<Nacho>I'll create a git repository with all the /boot and /etc files before it breaks, and see which files changed...
19:44<nulld1g1t>what would be great to understand is which byte differs between the 2 MBR hex dump
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19:44<stderr>OrangeTanger: I don't know what "something else" would be, so I would trust the man page.
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19:45<Nacho>nulld1g1t: bytes 0x1B8, 0x1B9, 0x1BA, and 0x1BB
19:45<stderr>Nacho: It doesn't have to be a file that changes, it could be the second stage loader.
19:45<OrangeTanger>stderr: yeah i'm just trying to clear up confusion.
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19:46<stderr>Nacho: Isn't something store after the MBR, but before the 1st partition?
19:46<stderr>As far as I remember that's almost 32K.
19:46<SamB>stderr: I think more of grub is there, yes
19:46<Nacho>stderr: you might be right abotu that
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19:47<Nacho>still would like to know why I can't fix grub by running "grub-install /dev/sda" in rescue mode
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19:47<SamB>Nacho: do you still have partitions?
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19:47<Nacho>SamB: yes
19:49<ardex>my x server shuts down on boot
19:50<nulld1g1t>Nacho, is the VBR modified ?
19:50<Nacho>I've discovered that I can run "grub-install /dev/sda" from the live system just fine without anything breaking but as soon as I run "grub-install /dev/sda" from rescue mode, it breaks grub
19:50<Nacho>For which partition? Any of them?
19:50<Nacho>I haven't checked
19:50<Nacho>But my partition table is in tact as far as I can see from "fdisk -l /dev/sda"
19:50<nulld1g1t>the first 512 bytes are the MBR and according to your findings only optional bytes changes
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19:51<nulld1g1t>so it is not in the MBR
19:51<Nacho>nulld1g1t: correct
19:51<nulld1g1t>after the MBR comes the VBR
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19:52<Nacho>nulld1g1t: each partition has it's own VBR, right?
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19:54<nulld1g1t>Nacho, what is the size of your disk
19:54<nulld1g1t>more than 2 TB ?
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19:54<Nacho>nulld1g1t: it's 80GB
19:54<Nacho>it's a virtual disk (vdi file) used in this virtual box instance
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19:55<Nacho>ugh, I'm burned out on this, gotta take my daughter to her softball game
19:55<Nacho>perhaps I'll figure it out after playing with it some more later tonight
19:55<nulld1g1t>well, it was intersting
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19:55<nulld1g1t>bye Nacho
19:55<ardex>anyone help with x server not loading?
19:55<Nacho>yeah, a learning experience, I'm sure I'll figure it out - eventually ha ha. thanks for the hep everyone
19:56<Nacho>see you later
19:56<nulld1g1t>it's 1am here
19:56<nulld1g1t>I will probably be sleeping
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20:12<nulld1g1t>Got to get some sleep, goodnight all
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20:58<miticko>can anyone help me with scp? for some reason i can't get it to work
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21:00<rjsalts>miticko: scp [host1:]/path/to/src [host2]:/path/to/dest what error are you getting/
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21:01<miticko>so an example would be : scp /home/north/filename myname@myip /home/myname/filename ?
21:02<themill>no, missing the :
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21:03<miticko>see i figured it was probably syntax
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21:04<miticko>thansk themill and rjsalts
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21:34<lux_ppc>suppose all this glitching color in the gui is just me needing a driver from ati?
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21:36<sney>apropos of nothing
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23:06<nate9000>evening all
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23:08<nate9000>got a question, what does it mean when a filename is followed by an ~ ex: /etc/apt/sources.list~
23:08<nate9000>is it a backup?
23:08<alexis>i think
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23:09<chealer>nate9000: it's not a formal meaning, but conventionally, yes
23:09<nate9000>chealer: what would the formal definion be?
23:10<alexis>gedit created this file when you modifie the original file
23:10<dclarke>I swear the debian download directories are still a mystery to me .. where would I find bootable live USB images for debian unstable ? I look here buts thats clearly wrong
23:10<chealer>nate9000: I mean, there's no rule which says that filenames ending with "~" have to be backup files. but they are, practically all the time
23:12<nate9000>chealer: alright thanks you :)
23:12<thatguychuck15>dclarke: I don't believe there are images for unstable, nothing official anyway,
23:12<chealer>dclarke: 7.0 is stable
23:12<themill>dclarke: unstable isn't even installable on any given day
23:12<dclarke>I am running "jessie" now and curious how to make a bootable usb stick that I may have to recover with
23:13<dclarke>maybe I have my versions messed up .. cat /etc/debian_version says jessie/sid
23:13<dclarke>so .. whatever that is
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23:16<dclarke>okay ... maybe I should try a different question, is there a documented way to make a bootable usb stick ? From a running system I mean ?
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23:20<thatguychuck15>dclarke: I made one using dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync
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23:20<dclarke>well .. yeah ... I was going to do something just like that but the input file is the mystery
23:21<chealer>dclarke: you're hopefully running jessie. debian_version is imprecise. jessie/sid could mean jessie, sid, or a jessie/sid mix.
23:22<dclarke>well .. thats what is in the file /etc/debian_version
23:22<dclarke>Linux orcus 3.8-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.8.13-1 x86_64 .... etc
23:23<chealer>didn't we use to have a factoid explaining that?
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23:23<dclarke>whatever that is .. so .. I think the objective should be to make an initrd and such on the usb stick with a gnu grub boot loader etc etc
23:23<haylo>dclarke: debian live build has a system for that, you can find various builds of unstable from their site as well
23:23<dclarke>I'll go google around .. probably fall on my fase and learn a lot about the process
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23:24<chealer>dclarke: yes, that file's content is imprecise, as it's a file shipped by a package with the same version in jessie and sid
23:24<dclarke>fall on my face .. etc etc ... great learning process
23:24<dclarke>haylo, that sounds like the best course of action
23:25<haylo>dclarke: follow the 3.x manial
23:25<chealer>dclarke: the directory above is 1. not for unstable, 2. not for debian live
23:25<haylo>yes dclarke , that is the correct way to do what you are talking about
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23:25<chealer>dclarke: Debian live is quite separate from "standard" debian
23:25<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
23:26<dclarke>thank you gentlemen ... I shall go forth with a usb key in hand
23:26<dclarke>can't be that tough to make a bootable filesystem with grub and initrd etc etc
23:26<sney>it's not
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23:27<dclarke>non-sequiter type question ... anyone run debian on Sparc or PowerPC lately ?
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23:27<sney>not lately, my last sparc system was about 6 years ago
23:27<sney>it presumably has only gotten better though
23:28<dclarke>I have a stack of them ... as well as a newer Niagara system .. was thinking of trying Debian on sparc
23:28<sney>to my memory, everything works perfectly except for some of the framebuffers
23:28<wardhan>hi all. i am trying to install wifi driver using compat. it is showing following error: can somebody provide me direction.
23:28<dclarke>yeah well ... no one runs Sparc workstations anymore .. unless they are trapped with old Siemens medical image software
23:29<sney>one of the things linux OSes are good for is keeping older unsupported hardware useful
23:30<dclarke>sney, I have a battleaxe old DEC Alpha server also ... wonder what to do with it
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23:30<sney>wardhan, wireless drivers are in the linux kernel. if your wireless device is not working you probably just need to install a firmware package. compiling the compat_wireless package will only make things worse
23:30<dclarke>think I just went off topic again
23:31<dclarke>pardon me ... wander away time
23:31<wardhan>sney: ok.
23:31<wardhan>sney: i hope i have not damaged much.
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23:31<sney>wardhan, well, since the compile failed, you haven't done anything yet
23:32<sney>what wifi nic do you have?
23:33<wardhan>sney: RTL8723AE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
23:34<dpkg>Realtek RTL8723AE-based PCIe wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 10ec:8723) are supported by the rtl8723ae Linux kernel driver introduced at Linux 3.8. This driver will be enabled in a future Debian Linux version (bug #708348). Firmware from userspace is required (rtlwifi/rtl8723fw.bin, rtlwifi/rtl8723fw_B.bin) and not currently packaged (bug #708346), ask me about <linux-firmware>.
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23:34<sney>let's see if those bugs are current
23:35<sney>ah, brand new things.
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23:35<sney>wardhan, how do you feel about building a kernel package? it's more likely to succeed than what you were doing before
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23:37<wardhan>sney: i have little or no experience... but i will try
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23:41<sney>wardhan, ok, install build-essential and run 'apt-get source linux' in a working directory as your normal user. copy the config for your current kernel from /boot to .config in the linux source directory, run 'make oldconfig', edit the .config file and make sure CONFIG_RTL8723AE=m, 'make deb-pkg', install the .deb files it creates
23:41<sney>if you need more detail on individual steps, please ask specific questions
23:41<wardhan>sney, ok.
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