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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-05-22

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00:24<wardhan>sney: just now download of linux completed. do i need to create .config folder in /home/wardhan/linux-3.8.13/
00:25<sney>.config is a text file, it's what tells the compiler what parts of the kernel and which modules to build
00:26<sney>so start with your current configuration by doing 'cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /home/wardhan/linux-3.8.13/.config
00:28<wardhan>ok, copied. right now running oldconfig in wardhan@wardhan:~/linux-3.8.13$
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00:37<wardhan>i hope this message informs me that i have successfully updated .config file: .config:2530:warning: override: reassigning to symbol RTL8723AE
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01:09<genoskill>partitionmanager does not have a man page
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01:28<Ignis>Hi ppl
01:28<ftmn>hi everybody, is there any way to find the exact destination on the server where a file is stored when i upload it??
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01:28<Dronic>I can't get sound in Debian Squeeze
01:29<Dronic>Already installed alsa-driver, utils, oss
01:29<Dronic>But problem remains
01:29<Dronic>Can anyone help me?
01:29<jm_>ftmn: upload it how?
01:29<jm_>Dronic: why not use wheezy?
01:30<Dronic>hmmm
01:30<Dronic>How can I upgrade?
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01:30<jm_>follow the procedure from release notes
01:30<ftmn>jm_ : does it matter? through a site
01:31<Dronic>Do you have the link?
01:31<ftmn>jm_ : i mean can the broswer somehow locate the path on the server?
01:32<peter1138>uploading through a website depends entirely on the operation of that website.
01:32<jm_>ftmn: it obviously does, because it depends on the method used etc.
01:32<jm_>!release notes
01:32<dpkg>Release notes for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide>.
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01:33<Dronic>TY
01:34<ftmn>jm_ : oh i see, so for example if it is a joomla! plugin from which i upload files to the server, can you mention a way?
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01:34<ftmn>jm_ : Or if i observe all the trafic from my computer to the server with wireshark ?
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01:37<peter1138>it really is dependent on what the code behind the website is written to do. capturing network traffic isn't going to help.
01:37<jm_>ftmn: unfortunately not, I never used joomla
01:37<ftmn>oh ok peter1138
01:37<ftmn>jm_ : ok man thanks alot!
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01:39<jm_>ftmn: is ther enothing in its documentation?
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01:40<jm_>for example, http://michaelgilkes.info/joomla-plugin-easy-file-uploader/ says it uplooads to a specified dir
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01:40<ftmn>jm_ : I mentioned joomla plugin just for instance, I wanted to know in a general manner
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01:40<jm_>ftmn: in general it depends on the application being used
01:41<jm_>yeah joomla's media manager also has configuration for upload dir -- http://www.joomlatutorials.com/joomla-tips-and-tricks/website-management/101-upload-files-using-joomla-media-manager
01:41<ftmn>jm_ : :D ok man I got it! Thank you for your time man!
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03:56<aidalgol>After upgrading my "stable" system to wheezy, xterm now displays underscores as spaces.
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03:56<aidalgol>I have no idea where to even start troubleshooting this.
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04:01<jm_>underscores as in _ ?
04:01<jm_>or underline attribute?
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04:03<chrishell>hello, which package do I have to install in order to debug pthreads
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04:03<chrishell>I mean, if I want to step throuht the sources of pthread
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04:04<chrishell>not only the header-files but the actual source-code
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04:09<stderr>chrishell: As far as I know, that would be glibc.
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04:10<chrishell>actually im interested in pthread_mutex_init.c but according to deb-file there is no such file in the whole debian repo
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04:12<jm_>it is, in libc6 source package
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04:26<chrishell>jm_: thanks
04:27<jm_>chrishell: for actually debugging I suppose libc6-dbg is what you want
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04:30<chrishell>jm: that is also right, but I want a source-dir for the gdb, to step througt the glibc functions
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04:31<chrishell>jm_: I think libc6-dbg provide me with more symbols to find the exact place of an error?
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04:32<chrishell>what would be a prober place to write these source into? /usr/src ?
04:32<aidalgol>jm_: The underscore character:
04:32<aidalgol>_
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04:41<jm_>chrishell: are you sure you used the one from /usr/lib/debug?
04:41<jm_>aidalgol: did you check your font?
04:41<aidalgol>jm_: Check it how?
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04:44<Supaplex>seriously, I'm lost with qemu. -net user ... use to work, and every doc I find keeps repeating the same. I guess I have to cave in and use another method.... I get various warnings about vlan 0 with no nics (and I find patches about it, but still don't get what's what)
04:45<jm_>aidalgol: tools like xfd, gwaterfall
04:48<aidalgol>jm_: I'll check. In the meantime, here's my .Xresources file: http://paste.debian.net/5695/
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04:48<chrishell>jm_: ? used for what?
04:49<jm_>chrishell: for debugging obviously
04:49<chrishell>jm_: can I step trougt source code just by setting the source-dir to /usr/lib/debug?
04:50<chrishell>jm_: I mean source of system libs?
04:50<jm_>chrishell: well I thought that's the idea of -dbg packages
04:51<chrishell> jm_: okay then something must be wrong here
04:51<chrishell>in a moment, if I step into a system-function, I connot follow the code
04:51<chrishell>I can only traverse trougt my own code
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04:52<chrishell>chrishell: s/in a moment/in this moment/
04:53<aidalgol>the underscore character shows up in "xfd -fa monospace", so I don't know what xterm's problem is.
04:53<chrishell>I have allready installed libc6-dbg
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04:55<aidalgol>It seems to be hinting with a small font size that was the problem.
04:55<jm_>aidalgol: using your resource file I can reproduce the problem using "small" font, but choosing a different size it shows it
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04:58<chrishell>that is what Im searching for: http://www.ofb.net/gnu/gdb/gdb_49.html
04:58<jm_>so yeah it may be hinting/aliasing stuff, try disabling it or toy with different options
04:59<aidalgol>jm_: Thanks. That seems to be the problem.
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05:01<jm_>I still use fixed fonts for my terminals - I don't like the look of aliased etc. fonts for this, and it seems to be even worse for terminals with black background
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05:08<AgentC>good morning
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05:10<wardhan>sney: are u there, .deb packaging is almost finished. is it necessary to install firmware linux compulsorily before creating deb file ?
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05:10<AgentC>offtopic: in exeption, can anyone tell me how to get a 15KHz cynch TV signal from a NVidia-Card? where to get the PINOUT of the HDMI-connector??
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05:13<AgentC>offtopic: @ hardwarebook.info is no information about the nvidia connector
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05:14<babilen>AgentC: There is ##hardware over at freenode and probably quite a number of channels in which this question is on-topic (or at least not off-topic as in here) -- If everything else fails, you can ask in #debian-offtopic, but still
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05:16<AgentC>babilen: thnx, i'll try. it's for connecting a beamer with analog input as monitor ;-) ^_^ what's about to create a "hardware" channel at oftc-irc for future ?
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05:17<AgentC>babilen: since hardware is the base of all this operation system, it would make sense
05:18<babilen>there is one on freenode, it's not as if it is impossible to connect to more than one network at a time ... but lets drop it.
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05:24<AgentC>babilen: quassel :-) i know
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05:28<chips>chips
05:29<chips>hey
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05:29<chips>hello
05:29<babilen>chips: yes, can we help you?
05:29<chips>no
05:30<chips>?
05:30<chips>hello
05:30<babilen>chips: Fair enough. Please note that this is a technical support channel for Debian and not a social "chat" one. You probably want a different channel or network if you are looking for the latter.
05:30<chips>anybody is dere
05:31<chips>ok sorry
05:31<stderr>No, nobody is here. You're all alone.
05:31<chips>:(
05:31<babilen>chips: Please read what I've just said and familiarise yourself with IRC. In particular the concept of topic channels seems to be confusing at the moment. Our bot will sent you some links to tutorials. Please read them and be quiet in here unless you need help with Debian. Thanks.
05:32<babilen>dpkg: tell chips -about irc tutorial
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05:53<chips>aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh'
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05:59<andrew_>Hi, I asked about this problem before, but no one seemed to know anything about it. I have a server that boots from mdraid partitions, and just dist-upgraded today (SID), and the new kernel will not find the mdraid root device
05:59<andrew_>booting an old kernel on the same box works fine
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06:01<Apollo>andrew_: so, you're running sid?
06:01<Apollo>!sid
06:01<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
06:01<dreamer>so, anyone know how to resolve this grub2 issue where it doesn't get configured?
06:01<andrew_>yes
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06:01<andrew_>3.8-2 complains about "can't find device with UUID=[blah]"
06:02<Apollo>andrew_: this is not the channel for sid support
06:02<andrew_>oh, what is the right channel for that?
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06:05<jm_>andrew_: the topic mentions it
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06:06<andrew_>ah, ok, thanks
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06:46<T0ndermere>is there a way to list all installed programs excluding libraries?
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06:47<jm_>T0ndermere: what exactly do you want to do?
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06:48<T0ndermere>i just want to see what programs are installed on a machine
06:48<T0ndermere>dpkg -l gives me all the packages
06:48<jm_>ls /bin /usr/bin
06:48<dpkg>ii gives me all the packages 1.5-2 t0ndermere's private gamp collection
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06:49<T0ndermere>cd /bin
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06:50<T0ndermere>thanks
06:50<jm_>no worries
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06:57<arhtant>hello
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07:00<ghking>hello, Is there anyone can provide one channel about the topic of math?
07:01<arhtant>just blank screen...........what is it xcart?
07:01<nmeum>ghking: irc.freenode.net/#math ?
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07:02<ghking><nmeum>, thank you! best wishes to you!
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07:03<DrZaius>i just changed default release from sid to testing, but when i try to apt-get dist-upgrade it still tries to install sed packages
07:03<DrZaius>http://paste.debian.net/5721/
07:03<DrZaius>does anybody knows why?
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07:04<lord_rob>did you edit your /etc/apt/preferences ?
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07:05<babilen>DrZaius: Sounds as if you want #debian-next not #debian (cf. /topic )
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07:05<babilen>DrZaius: And you already have a newer version installed than the one in testing -- Please paste your sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences file to http://paste.debian.net and lets discuss this in #debian-next
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07:40<kimmaria>hello. is there any good channels for newbie help questions for Debian 7.0 KDE_
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07:41<jm_>you can ask here or here:
07:41<jm_>!kde
07:41<dpkg>KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) or in other KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels . Also check out http://wiki.debian.org/KDE .
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07:42<kimmaria>okey thanks
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08:46<corewillem>hi i have a problem with debian wheezy
08:47<Nemoder_>!ask
08:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:47<corewillem>i just installed wheezy but when i boot i go in fallback gnome mode, it's my graphiqs card i think (club 3d hd 6870)
08:47<corewillem>i searched on the wiki but there are no instructions for wheezy
08:47<corewillem>http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
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08:48<corewillem>!ask i just installed wheezy but when i boot i go in fallback gnome mode, it's my graphiqs card i think (club 3d hd 6870) i searched on the wiki but there are no instructions for wheezy
08:48<dpkg>corewillem: what are you talking about?
08:49<corewillem>about debian wheezy :p
08:49<corewillem>or what do you mean ?.
08:49<SynrG>corewillem: you've misinterpreted. dpkg is a bot.
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08:49<corewillem>oh okay :p sorry i'm new here :p
08:50<SynrG>corewillem: '!ask' is a directive to tell the bot to tell the channel the "ask" factoid.
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08:50<corewillem>oh k
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08:50<corewillem>can i just follow squeeze instructions or noth ?
08:50<SynrG>i don't know. give me a minute to look things up
08:51<corewillem>http://areyoueye.net/2013/02/installing-the-amd-proprietary-fglrx-driver-on-debian-wheezy/ i think i found this can you take a look at this ?
08:52<SynrG>hd6870 is northern islands. you need a more recent kernel and xorg, i believe.
08:52<SynrG>i don't think you need the proprietary driver.
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08:52<SynrG>,kernels
08:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-2-686-pae (3.8.13-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
08:53<SynrG>unfortunately there is not yet a more recent kernel backport for wheezy.
08:53<corewillem>the 6870 is noth so new ?
08:53<SynrG>but prior to the wheezy release i installed the 3.8 kernel on a wheezy system and got northern islands to work with kde4 just fine.
08:53<corewillem>must i compile the kernel my self or what must i do ?
08:54<SynrG>and with gnome3 as well
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08:55<SynrG>wait for a backport and tolerate gnome classic for a short while?
08:56<SynrG>building a kernel is a possibility, but if it were me, i'd just use the kernel from sid (mind you, this is *not* a supported configuration ...)
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08:56<corewillem>how long does it take ?
08:56<SynrG>so i hesitate to advise you to do so.
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08:57<corewillem>because i can live with gnome classic but noth with the verry low resolution
08:57<SynrG>in particular, newer kernels might require newer userspace to support it. if you have a proper kernel backport, those details are taken care of you by dependencies of the new backported kernel.
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08:57<SynrG>ah, the low resolution is another matter. hmm.
08:58<corewillem>but why does the kernel doesn't support amd 6870 ?
08:58<corewillem>It's noth the newest hardware
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08:58<SynrG>free driver support tends to lag behind proprietary somewhat.
08:59<SynrG>you had better just hang out here and wait for someone who can advise on fglrx, whether those instructions are up-to-date or not ... i simply don't know.
08:59<SynrG>i am not, nor have ever been, an fglrx user.
08:59<corewillem>okay i will do that :p the opensource driver is also good for me i used that one in gentoo and arch linux
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09:00<SynrG>perhaps you could post your Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net?
09:00<corewillem>i will do that
09:00<SynrG>what's the native resolution of your display?
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09:01<corewillem>1920x1080
09:02<corewillem>http://paste.debian.net/5751/
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09:05<SynrG>corewillem: you may just need a non-free firmware.
09:05<SynrG>do you have non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
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09:05<corewillem>no it's a fresh install
09:06<SynrG>you could add non-free and then install firmware-linux-nonfree and see if that solves the issue.
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09:06<corewillem>http://paste.debian.net/5754/ my file
09:06<corewillem>okay i will google that :)
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09:07<corewillem>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
09:07<corewillem> this one ?
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09:07<SynrG>yes. and apt-get update.
09:07<corewillem>okay ;)
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09:08<SynrG>at line 343 in your paste, the driver claims to support your chipset:
09:08<SynrG>AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series, AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series,
09:08<ardex>missing security update dependency for iceweasel 10 in backports
09:08<corewillem>installing firmware-linux-nonfree
09:08<SynrG>but line 365 has this error:
09:09<SynrG>[ 7.520] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
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09:09<corewillem>hmmm yes and what does that mean ?
09:09<SynrG>after that it falls back to VESA, apparently
09:09<SynrG>hence the lower res
09:10<corewillem>http://paste.debian.net/5755/ possible missing thing
09:10<SynrG>well, you have no framebuffer and the driver wanted it.
09:10<corewillem>what's a framebuffer ?
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09:10<ardex>temp video memory
09:10<SynrG>corewillem: it's a kernel abstraction for the display
09:10<corewillem>okay can i install a framebuffer ?
09:11<SynrG>no. the kernel should have set it up for you.
09:11<SynrG>you've installed the firmware. the warnings it gave aren't a problem.
09:11<SynrG>reboot and see if that helps.
09:11<gnugr>corewillem:also check for xserver-xorg-video-ati which will drovide xserver-xorg-video-radeon (if not there)
09:12<SynrG>gnugr: no
09:12<SynrG>gnugr: read the log
09:12<ardex>I had the same VESA fallback problem an had to reload another os
09:12<corewillem>Okay i will be back in a minute :p
09:12<SynrG>ardex: or you gave up too early.
09:12<ardex>!
09:12<SynrG>ardex: do you have something constructive to add to this support session? :)
09:13<SynrG>i'm trying to help him solve it systematically
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09:13<ardex>FIREFOX 10 BACKPORTS MISSING SECURITY UPGRADE
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09:13<SynrG>ardex: thanks for yelling.
09:13<corewillem>thank you guys !!!!!!!
09:13<SynrG>i saw it the first time. i was handling another support session
09:13<ardex>miskeyed the caplock
09:14<corewillem>it worked :) i'm so happy to have a debian install now :)
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09:14<SynrG>corewillem: super! :)
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09:14<corewillem>now let's install cinamon :p
09:14<SynrG>corewillem: ah ... from third party repo? you know, of course, that's not supported here.
09:15<SynrG>on the other hand, perhaps at some point it goes into jessie and then someone makes a wheezy backport of it?
09:15<corewillem>of course that's not reported :) repo ? i'm looking now how to install it
09:15<SynrG>repository
09:16<corewillem>i know what a repo is but i mean is there a cinnamon repo ?
09:16<SynrG>,versions cinnamon
09:16<judd>Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.4-2; sid: 1.7.4-2
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09:16<SynrG>i have no idea. it's just not in wheezy.
09:16<SynrG>but it *is* in jessie. maybe someone will backport it for wheezy ...
09:16<SynrG>if it is not impractical to do so.
09:17<corewillem>np i wil find how to do it otherwise i will work with mate or gnome 3
09:17<corewillem>or kde i can work with almost everything
09:17<OdyX>ardex: you want to talk to the backports team, on the mailling list, as documented here: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index6h2
09:17<ardex>yhanks
09:18<corewillem>http://tech71.com/install-cinnamon-in-debian-7-0-wheezy/ found :)
09:18<SynrG>corewillem: i strongly recommend against it
09:18<corewillem>oh why ?
09:18<SynrG>!mixing distributions
09:18<dpkg>methinks mixing distributions is generally not a good idea; things tend to break if you don't know what you're doing.
09:18<SynrG>hmm, that factoid should be worded a bit more strongly :)
09:19<corewillem>wheezy=wheezy ?
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09:19<SynrG>if you want to run mint, run mint. and get support from mint.
09:19<SynrG>but don't mix mint with debian. they are different distributions.
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09:19<corewillem>cinnamon is noth mint ? it's created by the mint team
09:19<corewillem>you can use it in almost every distro ?
09:19<SynrG>debian support will disown you. mint support probably will disown you too
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09:20<corewillem>i know i wont't get support :)
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09:20<SynrG>corewillem: you would be better off getting support. look at the high quality support you got today to fix your graphics card problem.
09:20<SynrG>kiss that goodbye when you start mixing distributions.
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09:20<corewillem>is mate supported in debian ?
09:20<ardex>tricky code?
09:21<SynrG>nope.
09:21<corewillem>hmmm gnome 2 ?
09:21<SynrG>and cinnamon is the only sane approach of the two ...
09:21<SynrG>xfce?
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09:21<SynrG>or gnome-classic
09:21<SynrG>take your pick
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09:21<corewillem>gnome classic ?
09:21<SynrG>now that you fixed the firmware problem you don't have to worry about the low res thing.
09:21<SynrG>yes, select gnome classic from the gdm session menu
09:21<corewillem>indeed the res is fixed
09:22<corewillem>k what are the supported environments in debian?
09:22<SynrG>if-and-when someone does a proper backport of cinnamon from jessie -> wheezy, you can try that.
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09:22<SynrG>your options for a gnome-2-like experience are: gnome-classic, xfce. in jessie there will be cinnamon as well.
09:23<peter1138>or stick with squeeze
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09:23<SynrG>but squeeze will reach EOL in a ayear or so
09:23<SynrG>so that's only a short term solution
09:23<corewillem>hmm yeah i know isn't the next debian version sid ?
09:23<peter1138>no, next version is jessie
09:23<peter1138>sid is always unstable
09:24<corewillem>oh okay that will be in a year or 2 ?
09:24<SynrG>more like 2
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09:24<corewillem>okay i will stick with gnome 3 thanks for the help :)
09:24<SynrG>no problem. enjoy
09:24<corewillem>thanks :)
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09:25<SynrG>corewillem: and yes, i think after the adjustment period, gnome3 is nice
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09:25<corewillem>gnome 3 is nice :) i love it
09:25<corewillem>but i prefer cinnamon or mate
09:26<SynrG>there are a few niggly details i like to tweak ...
09:26<corewillem>i can work with almost everything except kde
09:26<SynrG>consider using gnome-tweak-tool for those. there are also extensions ...
09:26<corewillem>gnome tweak tool makes gnome 3 :)
09:26<SynrG>be aware these are also unsupported (but can be disabled if-and-when you run into problems)
09:26<SynrG>extensions.gnome.org
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09:26<corewillem>thanks :)
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09:27<SynrG>you need to be very sure before reporting issues to disable extensions as your first step. then retest if the problem is still there. then report
09:27<corewillem>i know :) i worked with extensions before :)
09:27<SynrG>i particularly like "evil status icon forever"
09:28<corewillem>i'm going to do my homework now bye :)
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09:28<SynrG>yup. later
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09:32<gonkit>!list
09:32<dpkg>gonkit: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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09:35<gonkit>hi
09:35<babilen>gonkit: Hello, how can we help you? Do you have a Debian related problem?
09:35<gonkit>I'm a newbie
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09:36<gonkit>I'm studying
09:36<gonkit>thanks!
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11:04<trico>i cant authenticate against a site with wget in wheezy but i can in squeeze? does this happen for anyone else?
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11:36<gonkit>ciao a tutti
11:37<gonkit>!list
11:37<dpkg>gonkit: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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11:42<babilen>gonkit: No warez here (this channel or network). Please go somewhere else for your illegal activity.
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11:43<daemonkeeper>Y NO SHARE Debian PLZ??
11:43<aeqel>Hello, I'm having trouble making chromium the default browser in Wheezy. I've run an update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser and set it there; however from programs like Evince and Jitsi it will only attempt to open them in Iceweasel. Upon removal of iceweasel it tries to open a link in lynks....
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11:44<babilen>aeqel: IIRC you can set this also in some gnome-control-centre (center?) dialogue
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11:44<aeqel>babilen: I'm using i3. I don't have gnome-control-centre.
11:44<babilen>aeqel: "default" application setting is a mess still
11:45<babilen>aeqel: ugh, I don't like i3 (I will never forgive them) -- but then, ... how did I do it in awesome?
11:45<aeqel>babilen: In squeeze I used to make a symbolic link of the .desktop file from /opt to /usr. The same fix doesn't work now.
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11:46<aeqel>babilen: What's wrong with i3? It's my first attempt at using a tiling window manager. I find it very intuitive thus far.
11:46<babilen>aeqel: huh? I don't quite follow .. What does this have to do with /opt ?
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11:46<babilen>aeqel: Well, this is a long topic and we should rather discuss it in #debian-offtopic ..
11:47<aeqel>babilen: Ah sorry, that was a fix for google-chrome not chromium. Google chrome installed some files in /opt. I am trying to make chromium default here, so it's pretty obvious while that doesn't work then..
11:48<babilen>yeah, right ... I can't think of much more than what you've done, but let me check my configuration.
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11:51<babilen>aeqel: Could we just check the output of "ls -l /etc/alternatives/{x,gnome}-www-browser" please?
11:51<babilen>aeqel: Is xdg-open behaving as expected?
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11:52<aeqel>babilen: /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser -> /usr/bin/chromium
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11:52<aeqel>babilen: /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/chromium
11:52<aeqel>/etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/chromium
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11:53<aeqel>babilen: xdg-open does work as expected. Does this mean it's an applicaton specific problem?
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11:54<aeqel>babilen: Wait, it all of a sudden started working from other programs after I invoked that xdg-open!
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11:55<babilen>aeqel: Could you run "gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/{http,https}/command" and show me the output please?
11:56<babilen>(on http://paste.debian.net )
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11:59<aeqel>babilen: The problem is solved however here you go :] http://paste.debian.net/5794/
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12:00<stryker>hello guys, does smb use sparky linux ?
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12:01<babilen>aeqel: Okay .. I have that set to "sensible-browser %s" which is probably a remnant of me configuring this back in the day ... (there is also the "enabled" key with a value of true and the "needs_terminal" key with a value of false) -- If it is fixed now I won't complain and let you enjoy it.
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12:01<babilen>stryker: You are asking if Samba is using Sparky Linux? What does that have to do with Debian and what exactly do you refer to with "smb" ?
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12:02<babilen>dpkg: sparky linux
12:02<dpkg>SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>.
12:02<aeqel>babilen: Thanks for your help, I didn't know about the xdg-open command. Learn something new every day.
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12:03<babilen>aeqel: Yeah, it comes in handy
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12:04<babilen>In particular if you have to hardcode commands somewhere to handle certain filetypes .. xdg-open is almost always the best solution as that allows you to change the configuration in *one* place without having to update everything.
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12:11<Twisteddd>I'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and apt-get dist-upgrade is frozen. it's hanging on "Unpacking replacement emacs23-common ?" What should I do?
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12:54<purpleCloud>hi whatsup
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12:59<Megaf>hi all, is there a better way to do something like this? aptitude search ~i | grep xfce
13:00<retrospectacus>Megaf: dpkg -l |grep xfce
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13:00<retrospectacus>faster anyways. better?
13:01<SynrG>aptitude search ~ixfce ?
13:01<Megaf>that's it
13:01<Megaf>thanks
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13:02<SynrG>maybe slightly more interesting:
13:02<SynrG>aptitude versions --group-by=none ~ixfce
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13:07<Megaf>interesting, thanks SynrG
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13:18<tensionhead>hi
13:19<tensionhead>I have a ssh question, is that the right place for it?
13:19<retrospectacus>tensionhead: if it's debian, you can try
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13:20<tensionhead>ya I'm running wheezy
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13:20<tensionhead>so I have some open sshfs connections going out from my home server
13:20<tensionhead>I need to close them
13:21<tensionhead>of course it was me myself who established them...but now I am no longer on that machines
13:21<wompa>tensionhead, fusermount -u /home/someuser on the client
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13:22<tensionhead>I have no access to the client right now wompa
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13:23<wompa>tensionhead, oh, I don't know how to do it from the server, the client is still online?
13:23<tensionhead>yep
13:24<tensionhead>but it has not an ssh-server running
13:24<tensionhead>ya I need to kill it from the server side
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13:25<retrospectacus>tensionhead: can you see the connection in "netstat -plant" ?
13:26<tensionhead>yes
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13:27<retrospectacus>you'll see the PID there, try killing it
13:28<tensionhead>the pid is a '-'
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13:30<tensionhead>ps -aux | grep ssh
13:30<Cheiseun>Is there a place better than packages.debian.org to get an idea about packages available? Something with info on features and screenshots and stuff?
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13:31<detrout>Cheiseun: I'm not sure if there's an easy client side solution but there is http://screenshots.debian.net/
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13:32<wompa>Cheiseun, I have used synaptic to browse packages by categories
13:34<SynrG>for certain package subsets, there are the "go*" clients.
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13:35<SynrG>goplay, golearn, gooffice, etc.
13:35<SynrG>http://screenshots.debian.net/package/goplay
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13:37<SynrG>install goplay and have a look. it also claims to allow you to define your own categories.
13:38<Cheiseun>go* looks interesting, I'll definitely check that out, thanks
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13:40<SynrG>Cheiseun: i think goplay only comes with screenshots for games, and that would be a subset of those offered at screenshots.debian.net
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13:42<SynrG>those are provided by the games-thumbnails package
13:42<Aurinko>Hi everybody, Is it possible to install debian from scratch in a laptop WITHOUT graphic card (even integrated)?
13:42<valdyn>Aurinko: sure its possible
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13:43<Aurinko>yessss
13:43<Aurinko>so, I do I install VNC in the laptop?
13:43<valdyn>Aurinko: why are you talking about vnc now?
13:44<valdyn>Aurinko: installing vnc is not something that is different between having a gfx card and not having one
13:44<SynrG>netboot a fully-preseeded install
13:44<SynrG>probably takes a bit of fussing with to get right
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13:45<SynrG>take "a laptop" out of your query and google for it
13:45<valdyn>the stock installer should support install via ttyS0
13:45<Aurinko>ok, because I thought what vnc was necessary
13:46<SynrG>well, most laptops these days don't have ttyS0 :p
13:46<SynrG>but yeah, that would be the easy way if you have one
13:46<SynrG>assuming you also have a PC with a serial interface to connect it to
13:46<SynrG>and the necessary cabling
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13:47<Aurinko>tty60 = serial port? the old one?
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13:48<Aurinko>It's an acer aspire 5920 from 2008... so no serial port
13:48<Aurinko>it has of course ethernet, what I guess I important :)
13:48<SynrG>headless install images are often custom-made for nettop boxes and the like ...
13:48<SynrG>the same principle could be used to construct one for your random hardware
13:49<SynrG>but since only you know what's in your random harwdare and what install options you want, you would need to do the gruntwork of coming up with preseeding so that *no* questions are asked by the install
13:49<SynrG>then you prepare a netboot installer image with those preseeds, and netboot the laptop from it, and wheee
13:49<SynrG>fully automated install, headless.
13:50<SynrG>it's a bitch to get all the preseeding right, though. far easier to have a serial interface.
13:50<Aurinko>so I don't need another pc to make the install?
13:50<SynrG>not if the laptop will happily netboot as one of its boot options
13:51<SynrG>or else using the same principle, prepare boot media with the preseeds
13:51<SynrG>same deal
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13:56<Aurinko>I'm just reading about downloading a netinst and making ssh loadable by default,
13:56<Aurinko>So, how do I know that the installation has just finished?
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14:07<Aurinko>SynrG: How do I know that all preseedings are enough? What if the installer waits for an input? Is there a way to know it?
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14:11<tgr77>hello
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14:20<bertus>Hello, i have recently installed debian 7 and I would want to know If there is any converter to videos to .avi and .mkv in WIndows was for example format factory. Before with debian 6 I had handbrake and other software but I would like only one for all. Is It possible?. Thank you so much.
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14:21<retrospectacus>ffmpeg
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14:23<brunolambert>retrospectacus: I thought it was replaced by libav-tools
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14:24<SynrG>Aurinko: beats me. since it's headless ... eventually it would just all ... stop
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14:24<SynrG>and it would be very hard to tell why :/
14:24<bertus>retrospectacus is there any with interface graphic?
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14:25<retrospectacus>brunolambert: could be. releases up to sid have both
14:25<Aurinko>haha, so let install it, go take a beer and then cross fingers and try ssh...
14:25<retrospectacus>bertus: handbrake
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14:27<retrospectacus>bertus: or winff? I only use ffmpeg
14:27<bertus>is handbrake only for mkv, isn't it?
14:28<bertus>ffmpeg is only terminal I need any ghaphic
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14:28<Aurinko>well, SynrG thank you for the information.
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14:31<retrospectacus>bertus: like I said I only use ffmpeg and it is amazing. no idea about handbrake
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14:35<claw_>hello i have a question about powersaving options like noatime and commit=X relatet to encryftfs. How can i provide them to the encrypted mountpoint? or dont i have to because are already on /home ?
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14:36<bertus>retrospectacus and you can convert since the terminal o it has a graphic program?
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14:37<retrospectacus>bertus: just the command line
14:37<SynrG>Aurinko: there may be one other way ... and that is if you could divert syslog over ethernet ...
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14:38<SynrG>Aurinko: and then you would at least get to see the latest syslog failures if-and-when preseeds finally fail to do the job.
14:38<SynrG>s/failures/messages/
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14:38<SynrG>Aurinko: presumably syslog itself could be preseeded to work this way. :)
14:39<bertus>retrospectacus could you tell me a command line to do a checking?
14:39<SynrG>but this is what we in the biz call "a research project of unknown size"
14:39<SynrG>(basically codewords for "quote the client something crazy high and hope they go away")
14:40<retrospectacus>bertus: I don't know, what is "do a checking"?
14:41<SynrG>Aurinko: headless installs are wickedly awesome if you have to gangpunch out a whole bunch of very similar systems using the same preseed config ... but otherwise, i don't think worth the effort to do. if you're super lucky you will find some "generic" preseeded install that would actually work for you and then you don't have to worry about any of this crap.
14:42<bertus>retrospectacus i want to convert for example video.avi to video.mkv what command line i have to use?
14:42<retrospectacus>bertus: ffmpeg -i video.avi video.mkv
14:42<bertus>ok i try it thank you
14:42<SynrG>!automated install
14:42<dpkg>Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net.
14:42<blast007>bertus: depends if you just want to change the container or if you want to alter codecs, quality, resolution, etc.
14:43<retrospectacus>bertus: it's a really really simple program... just read the first couple paragraphs of the manual and you'll be rolling
14:43<SynrG>Aurinko: ^^ FAI may be useful
14:43<cybersphinx>bertus: Or mkvmerge -o video.mkv video.avi if you don't want to reencode it and the avi contains mkv-compatible formats.
14:43<retrospectacus>bertus: and there are lots of options like blast007 mentioned exampled in the manual
14:43<Aurinko>what is FAI?
14:44<Aurinko>uuuuu
14:44<Aurinko>sorry
14:44<Aurinko>didn't saw it )
14:45<blast007>SynrG: would a USB-to-serial adapter be of help for his headless install?
14:45<retrospectacus>debootstrap would be useful
14:46<SynrG>blast007: possibly. is that recognized and set up by the kernel early enough?
14:46<retrospectacus>bertus: I shouldn't say it's a simple program... it's not, it has hundreds of options and functions... a single conversion like that is quite simple to do though
14:46<SynrG>Aurinko: ah, yeah, you could take out the laptop drive, put it in an adaptor ...
14:47<SynrG>Aurinko: attach it to another system. debootstrap the whole system from there. reinsert into the laptop after it's all setup and ready to accept ssh connections
14:47<blast007>SynrG: not sure. I've never used one before, nor have I done an install over serial (built-in or otherwise).
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14:47<Aurinko>I already searched for debootstrap installation, but I don't have any adaptor
14:48<retrospectacus>Aurinko: if you have a desktop you should be able to just put the laptop drive inside the desktop
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14:49<SynrG>retrospectacus: ah, i was thinking old pata drives. newer laptop drives are sata so no adaptor needed, hm?
14:49<SynrG>(you can tell how long it has been since i did this last :)
14:50<SynrG>Aurinko: you need to take care to manage things like providing a grub configuration that works, and initial user on the system, etc.
14:50<SynrG>stuff that debian-installer would normally do for you
14:50<SynrG>i gotta run. bus to catch. good luck!
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14:52<Aurinko>I'm reading FAI wiki, seems easier than guessing a preseed file
14:53<blast007>Aurinko: perhaps I missed it, but what is preventing you from using a display with that laptop? is something in the laptop damaged?
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14:54<Aurinko>blas007: Yes, the nvidia card nearly got fire,
14:54<Aurinko>blast007: and the laptop doesn't have any integrated chipset
14:54<blast007>the specs page for the 5920 says it has an Intel GMA, not nvidia
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14:56<Aurinko>well, it depends on the model, 5920g has Nvida 8600m gs
14:56<bertus>retrospectacus and for a .mp4 to a .mkv?if it's the same it gives me an error, because it converts only one minute
14:56<Aurinko>mxm card
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14:57<al3x>Hello everybody
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14:58<al3x>:)
14:58<retrospectacus>bertus: I have to go. Google or some other folks here might be able to help you with that
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15:00<bertus>ok thank you
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15:16<bat0u> /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
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15:17<heini>I suspect a problem with nvidia drivers and Xephyr. I have spent the last hours down and upgrading various packages. Nvidia and Xephyr do not play well together on my PC. I wonder if somebody here is in the mood to to test Xephyr in sid.
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15:20<jalalsfs>How to change dash shell to bash shell?
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15:20<heini>Xephyr :1 does not even open a window or gives some message but is caught in a loop locking unlocking mutexes
15:21<heini>jalalsfs: update-alternatives
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15:21<heini>or edeit the /etc/passwd to change it for single users. there should also be a command that should allow a non root user to change the login shell
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15:22<heini>chsh
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15:24<jalalsfs>How can I use update-alternatives?
15:24<mbentley>jalalsfs: what are you trying to do?
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15:25<mbentley>ah, sorry dash to bash?
15:25<jalalsfs>heini, In passwd file it shows that "jalal:x:1000:1000:Jalal Ahmed,,,:/home/jalal:/bin/bash"
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15:26<lupine>/bin/sh will still be a symlink to dash though, of course
15:27<jalalsfs>mbentley, I don't want to use dash shell, I want bash shell.
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15:28<mbentley>do you have something in your .bashrc that is launching dash?
15:28<woden>Greetings All, How do I properly install the proprietary nvidia drivers on Debian stable? Thank you.
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15:29<dondelelcaro>jalalsfs: why exactly do you want /bin/sh to be bash instead of dash?
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15:30<lupine>doesn't look like /bin/sh is managed by update-alternatives
15:30<jalalsfs>mbentley, No, I don't have.
15:30<lupine>so just delete the symlink and create one to /bin/bash I guess
15:30<lupine>or, you know, fix your scripts
15:31<jalalsfs>dondelelcaro, Because bash has more features.
15:31<dondelelcaro>jalalsfs: yes, you may want it as your user's shell, but you almost certainly don't want it as /bin/sh
15:31<lupine>jalalsfs, if your scripts aren't sh-compatible, you shouldn't put #!/bin/sh at the top of them
15:31<lupine>if you put #!/bin/bash at the top instead, they'll run with bash and work on other systems too
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15:32<lupine>if you don't care about that, by all means, commit symlink massacre. it's your computer, after all :)
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15:33<heini>jalalsfs: or write #!/bin/bash in your scripts
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15:34<heini>that is probably the sanes way
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15:34<heini>dash was chosen for a reason as default shell
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15:35<lupine>the reason was that it executes faster
15:35<lupine>IIRC
15:35<heini>anyways somebody with proprietary nvidia drivers around?
15:35<lupine>so it speeds boot
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15:35<heini>i am getting insane over this Xephyr issue:(
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15:36<mbentley>heini: yes. have you checked http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers already?
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15:37<obiwahn>mbentley: there is not much new stuff:(
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15:38<obiwahn>x itself works well with xinerama
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15:38<obiwahn>it is just that i can not start Xephyr anymore when using the drivers
15:38<obiwahn>it worked until the beginning of this month
15:39<mbentley>i installed them last week on my desktop. i don't have the exact commands on me right now though and i don't know about xephyr
15:39<jalalsfs>Thank you so so much to all of you heini, mbentley , lupine dondelelcaro
15:39<dondelelcaro>jalalsfs: no problem
15:40<obiwahn>it is nothing more than "apt-get install xserver-xephyr && Xephyr :3"
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15:40<obiwahn>probably 1 in your case
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15:42<obiwahn>with noveau my card produces funny colours:( else i would use that driver
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16:14<magnulu>hello everybody
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16:15<magnulu>I am installing wheezy from usb using netinstall, and I need b43 firmware, which I have downloaded and placed in a firmware-directory on the usb stick.. however, the installer wont find it.. any suggestions?
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16:17<magnulu>in the firmware-directory are firmware-b43-installer_015-14.1_all.deb, firmware-b43legacy-installer_blabla.deb and the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer_blabla.deb... the installer asks for b43-open firmware as well as b43, could this be the problem?
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16:18<zykotic10>magnulu: just a guess, but i'd doubt the installer is looking for DEB files... but i certainly don't know for sure. best of luck.
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16:18<magnulu>zykotic10: as far as I can understand the installation guide, I am supposed to put the DEB-files there..
16:19<magnulu>but obviously something is not right :-)
16:20<zykotic10>magnulu: if the install guide says so, then that must be right. i'm sorta surprised by that though. well, good luck.
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16:22<magnulu>zykotic10: what would you assume was the right thing to do?
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16:24<zykotic10>magnulu: if I-G says debs, that must be right. historically, i did have some non-install-related hardware that required firmware, and i just put the firmware into a directory... but i've never had to use the installer-firmware method, so i really should have just kept my mouth shut ;) best of luck.
16:26<magnulu>zykotic10: mhm.... ;-) the I-G does not explicitly say DEBs, but the method it prescribes gives me DEBs.. so, well, hopefully someone/something will eventually enlighten me
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16:30<stderr>magnulu: Have you tried one of the unofficial install CDs that includes firmware? E.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
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16:31<magnulu>stderr: actually I have, it still asked for firmware
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16:33<mbentley>i've seen installs where it complained about firmware but the network adapter still worked. is this a wired or wireless adapter?
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16:34<mbentley>err sorry, magnulu: i've seen installs where it complained about firmware but the network adapter still worked. is this a wired or wireless adapter?
16:34<magnulu>mbentley: wireless.. have tried to ignore it, but it cant connect to my network, so guess it needs fw
16:35<woden>Greetings, How do I properly install the proprietary nvidia drivers on Debian stable? Thank you.
16:35<mgv>!nvidia dkms
16:35<dpkg>For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
16:36<mbentley>magnulu: ah, gotcha. i haven't attempted many installs over wireless and i've only see such a scenario where it complained but still worked on a wired connection.
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16:38<poligal>ciao
16:38<poligal>!list
16:38<dpkg>poligal: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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16:39<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know if the newly released 2013 version of Debian GNU/Hurd is available as a live CD?
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16:39<stderr>magnulu: Maybe switch to a console and manually install the firmware packages?
16:40<magnulu>stderr: during that stage of the installation? with dpkg?
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16:41<stderr>Yes. Can't harm to try.
16:41<magnulu>will give it a try :-)
16:41<mbentley>kingsley: not that i know of
16:42<magnulu>stderr: dpkg not available...
16:42<zykotic10>magnulu: lack of dpkg part of reason i questioned DEB firmware, in the first place ;)
16:43<magnulu>zykotic10: I see..
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16:45<zykotic10>magnulu: when it asks about the firmware, is it giving a specific filename? foo.so or something?
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16:45<ben__>hi
16:45<mbentley>magnulu: and you have the firmware files extracted directly to /firmware on 'fat' formatted usb stick?
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16:46<magnulu>zykotic10: it is asking for b43/ucode5.fw and b43-open/ucode5.fw
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16:46<zykotic10>magnulu: then you probably need ucode5.fw extracted as mbentley was just suggesting, rather then the DEB file(s)
16:46<magnulu>mbentley: I have followed the installation guide, thus I have DEB-files extracted from firmware.tar.gz in /firmware on fat formatted usb stick
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16:47<stderr>As far as I can see firmware-b43-installer_015-14.1_all.deb doesn't contain any firmware at all, but tries to wget a .tar.bz2 as part of the install.
16:47<magnulu>zykotic10: and how do I extract them?
16:47<stderr>Without working networking that's kind of hard...
16:47<mbentley>ah
16:47<zykotic10>magnulu: i'm not sure? sorry.
16:47<magnulu>hehe..
16:47<mbentley>haha
16:47<magnulu>zykotic10: no problem, really :-)
16:47<JordiGH>I probably shouldn't have done this, but I rebooted my machine after doing "apt-get upgrade" (but not dist-upgrade) from squeeze to wheezy. Now it looks like I have a bad initrd that can't find my encrypted LVM partition.
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16:48<mbentley>i can probably grab them...
16:48<stderr>http://www.lwfinger.com/b43-firmware/broadcom-wl-5.100.138.tar.bz2
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16:48<magnulu>stderr: thank you! I will get that one and investigate some more..
16:48<JordiGH>What are my options for fixing this? I'm right now in an initramfs busybox.
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16:49<stderr>magnulu: Do you have a working unix-like system at hand?
16:49<magnulu>stderr: a couple.. :-)
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16:50<Slaizer>hi all, I have three drives on my computer that is password protected since my debian wheezy amd64 installation. Anyone knows why this happened?
16:50<zykotic10>magnulu: (not to be taken too seriously) the best solution is "get better hardware" of course ;)
16:50<retrospectacus>Slaizer: what drives?
16:50<stderr>ar x firmware-b43-installer_015-14.1_all.deb to extract that deb file. You'll get a control.tar.gz and a data.tar.gz. The data is what's being installed and the control contains the postinst/postrm scripts.
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16:51<Slaizer>retrospectacus: usual drives. do you want to know the format on them? I can look it up. be more specifik, please.
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16:51<stderr>magnulu: I don't know if reading the postinst script will help you, but there it is...
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16:51<mbentley>magnulu: if for some reason stderr's link doesn't help, i grabbed the /lib/firmware/b43 directory from a wheezy live cd and put it here >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30237834/b43.tar.gz
16:51<retrospectacus>Slaizer: just general info about them.. fstype, contents, mount points?
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16:52<Slaizer>retrospectacus: ok, just a minute
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16:53<magnulu>stderr: ok, thanks for the suggestion, but it makes me a little confused, so I will try to put mbentleys shared files directly on my stick first
16:53<stderr>Yeah, sounds easier. :-)
16:53<magnulu>mbentley: thank you very much indeed, I will try to put them there and see if life becomes wonderful
16:54<magnulu>and I suggest an update of the installation guide regarding this issue....
16:54<mbentley>magnulu: i think you'll be ok having them extracted to /firmware/b43/<files> since it is asking for b43/ucode5.fw
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16:54<magnulu>mbentley: thank you for that suggestion
16:54<mbentley>well i'd imagine that normally it works if it doesn't have to download a .tar.gz :D
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16:55<stderr>I didn't check any of the other deb files to see if they contain firmware or try to download it during the install of the package.
16:55<Slaizer>retrospectacus: http://paste.debian.net/5851/
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16:56<mbentley>i know others contain firmware as when i create my live cds, they don't all have to download a file when installing firmware
16:56<magnulu>zykotic10: I agree btw!!
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16:56<Slaizer>retrospectacus: it is the two 320gb and the 80gb hard drives that is password protected at the moment.
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16:58<retrospectacus>Slaizer: ok and how exactly are they pw protected? how do you attempt access and what is the error or prompt?
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16:59<Slaizer>retrospectacus: to acces them i leftclick on them twice, and then get the prompt: write password.
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17:00<Slaizer>retrospectacus: the password is the same as 'root' and 'login'
17:00<retrospectacus>double click them where? the nautilus file browser?
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17:01<Slaizer>retrospectacus: Places>>computer>>double-click on the hard drive.
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17:01<Slaizer>using the gnome shell
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17:02<magnulu>mbentley: did not work to put them in /firmware/b43/<files>.. I have also tried to copy all the .fw-files to /firmware and /, without success.. also tried to put the b43.tar.gz file in / and /firmware.. to no avail
17:02<JordiGH>Hm, so I can use cryptsetup to create /dev/mapper/Iris-root
17:02<retrospectacus>Slaizer: and it asks for the root password?
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17:02<JordiGH>But now I can't mount it with whatever is available in this initramfs.
17:02<Slaizer>retrospectacus: yes
17:02<magnulu>but! remember the installer asks for b43-open/ucode5.fw as well..
17:03<Slaizer>retrospectacus: "authentication is required to mount the device"
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17:06<magnulu>mbentley: nope, not working...
17:06<magnulu>guess I will skip netinstall then!
17:07<retrospectacus>Slaizer: that's normal. if you want to allow the normal user to mount it you should add the partition to fstab with the user option
17:08<Slaizer>retrospectacus: ok. why have you set a password on the drives that isn't the file system disk?
17:08<retrospectacus>I did no such thing
17:08<zykotic10>Slaizer: it isn't password protected, just you need root privs to mount things (if they aren't in fstab with proper options)
17:09<retrospectacus>Slaizer: there is no "password on the drive" - it's just that you need to be root to mount
17:09<Slaizer>retrospectacus: hehe :) ok, my fault.
17:09<Slaizer>retrospectacus: should I leave it. maybe it is good for security reasons?
17:09<retrospectacus>up to you
17:09<Slaizer>retrospectacus: well, that is true :)
17:10<Slaizer>retrospectacus: thanks for the help. i will leave the password on for a while
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17:10<retrospectacus>Slaizer: no problem
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17:12<mbentley>magnulu: just curious, are you sure it is formatted as fat and not fat32?
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17:15<magnulu>mbentley: well, I tought I was sure, but now I am not... anyway, I am now trying a different approoach, so not able to check
17:15<mbentley>magnulu: ok :) good luck!
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17:22<Dixie>hey
17:22<Dixie>i need help
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17:23<Dixie>I booted from my usb key
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17:23<magnulu>Dixie: you are in VERY good company :-)
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17:23<Dixie>but the installer can't find the cd
17:23<Dixie>not really surprising since there is none, as i'm using an usb key
17:24<retrospectacus>Dixie: how did you create the Usb key?
17:24<Dixie>i tried using unetbootin and liliusb to make the key
17:24<retrospectacus>Dixie: unetbootin does *not* create a working installer
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17:24<retrospectacus>Dixie: I don't know what liliusb is but the recommended way is to use "cat" or "dd"
17:24<Dixie>im currently using liliusb and it's still not working
17:24<magnulu>mbentley: ok, my new approach did not work. so now I will try from scratch to create a fat usb disk with the netinstall image and firmware files.. I am thinking fdisk, mkfs.fat, unetbootin.. good idea?
17:25<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Dixie about ig
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17:25<Dixie>if its worth noting, the pc i'm on is using uefi
17:26<Dixie>http://www.linuxliveusb.com
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17:26<Dixie>liliusb = linux live usb creator
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17:26<Dixie>i used it to install it on my main pc when i only had windows
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17:26<magnulu>mbentley: mkfs.msdos... sat the partition id to 6 (fat16)
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17:27<retrospectacus>Dixie: read the guide the robot told you about, and use "cat" or "dd" or the iso writer the guide recommends
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17:28<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Dixie about usb install
17:28<retrospectacus>Dixie: that one is more to-the-point ^^
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17:29<magnulu>mbentley: never mind.. will use the method described in the I-G :-)
17:29<Dixie>How come i can't use liliusb now ? it worked fine when i used it a few months ago
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17:30<retrospectacus>Dixie: no idea, try asking them
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17:35<Dixie>is there any other way ? i don't have linux right now
17:35<Dixie>i can't use dd/cat
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17:37<retrospectacus>Dixie: yes, the robot told you about a windows program you can use
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17:39<retrospectacus>Dixie: http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/
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17:39<Dixie>thanks
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17:40<Dixie>It's only accepting .IMG file ?
17:40<retrospectacus>Dixie: should be a .iso file
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17:41<magnulu>trying 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb' and its taking very long time, seems stuck at 96.5% - is that normal?
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17:43<bzed>magnulu: depends on what /dev/sdb is :)
17:43<magnulu>bzed: 8 gb usb stick... it eventually finished!
17:43<retrospectacus>magnulu: it could be, due to USB's tendency to cache data and take a while to finalize writes... or the device is not big enough or damaged
17:44<bzed>magnulu: if it is a slow usb stick... then yes :0
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17:48<Dixie>yep its working retrospectacus, do you have any advice to give me about uefi ?
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17:50<retrospectacus>Dixie: no, sorry. The robot might
17:50<Dixie>just give me a link to the uefi website
17:50<magnulu>amazing... this non-free firmware business is driving me crazy...
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17:50<retrospectacus>Dixie: ahh no. I'm not your google
17:51<retrospectacus>Dixie: like I said, talk to the robot. He knows tons of things about everything (debian)
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17:53<konvi4kilt>hello
17:53<konvi4kilt>I need some help with booting ext4 root partition please
17:53<retrospectacus>!ask
17:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:54<konvi4kilt>I copy my debian system from my ext3 hdd partition to a new ext4 ssd partition. I install grub. I think I didn't do it wrong and when I boot I get this error message :
17:54<konvi4kilt>"modprobe: module ext4dev not found in modules.dep"
17:54<konvi4kilt>and nothing can be mount, I get a busybox prompt without available keyboard
17:54<konvi4kilt>do you know what could be wrong ?
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17:56<retrospectacus>konvi4kilt: did you modify fstab for / on ext4?
17:56<konvi4kilt>retrospectacus: yes
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17:58<konvi4kilt>I forget to tell you : I'm running Sid. So I wonder why it tells me about ext4dev instead of ext4
17:58<retrospectacus>konvi4kilt: reinstalling (dpkg-reconfigure -ing) the kernel (or "update-initramfs -u") might help
17:59<magnulu>YES!!! finally :-D
17:59<load_bcs>konvi4kilt: as per retrospectacus sounds like the kernel can't find the ext4 kernel module ...
17:59<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate magnulu
17:59<dpkg>Huzzah magnulu, you did it!
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17:59<load_bcs>konvi4kilt: did you make the ext4 filesystem on the ssd using the same sid system?
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18:02<magnulu>mbentley: just to recap, I cp'ed the unofficial firmware-netboot.img to my /dev/usb-stick, then created a new fat16 partition on the usb stick, copied all the .fw-files to /b43/ on that partition and voila!
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18:03<magnulu>mbentley: thank you so much for your help (and everybody else of course) - very highly appreciated :-)
18:04<magnulu>I rediscovered irc for linux help after not having used it for 16 years.. very good :-)
18:04<konvi4kilt>retrospectacus: load_bcs: well, with the "old" system (ext3 hdd), my kernel can properly mount the ext4 filesystem (when the system is already started of course ^^). Since I have the same kernel (it's a copy) on ext4 SSD, could it be wrong ? I can run dpkg-reconfigure, not a big deal.
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18:05<retrospectacus>I'd give it a try in a chroot
18:05<konvi4kilt>load_bcs: what is the sid system ? noob question I guess :-)
18:05<konvi4kilt>retrospectacus: ok, I do that
18:05<load_bcs>konvi4kilt: you mentioned you were running debian sid - I just wanted to double check you create the new fs on the hdd with the same kerne;
18:06<pgimeno>After upgrading to Wheezy I am trying to import my Iceowl data, which is in an .ics file, into icedove iceowl-extension. Problem is, it tries to use the .ics file directly and it has issues, but I see no IMPORT option. Am I blind or is it not there?
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18:09<konvi4kilt>load_bcs: in fact I create the fs on the ssd with linux 3.2, then I try to boot it : I get errors. I look for solution for several days, upgrade and others actions and now I try with linux 3.8.2. But the 2 systems are sync (I use rsync when I modify the working system (the one on hdd)
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18:17<konvi4kilt>retrospectacus: ok, it's done, I reboot and cross my finger. See you
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18:35<Dixie>how to install debian in efi mode ?
18:35<ArpO2>hi folks
18:36<pgimeno>My issue is solved. The answer to my question is that I was half-blind. The Import option is not in the File menu as one online tutorial suggested, nor in the right click menu of the calendar as another did, nor in the Tools menu as seemed logical. It was in the Events and Tasks menu.
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18:37<abrotman>!efi
18:37<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/
18:39<Dixie>abrotman, yeah, already done, but i don't know where to look at and what to do
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18:40<Solluxander>hello?
18:40<Solluxander>ii2 anyone iin here?
18:40<retrospectacus>Solluxander: yes, you are online
18:40<retrospectacus>!ask
18:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:40<Solluxander>alriight then.
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18:43<ArpO2>!wlan
18:43<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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18:48<ArpO2>i have a problem, i can't use my Intel Wiki, firmware is installed, got an IP form my router but i cant ping the router or any address
18:49<retrospectacus>ArpO2: what is the error when you try to ping the router?
18:49<abrotman>ArpO2: did you reload the module after installing the firmware?
18:49<abrotman>oh, nm
18:49<chakka_>I have a problem with GNOME 3 - I am used to GNOME 2 and now im on Debian 7 Wheezy AMD64 - I found how to turn on files on the desktop, but is there a gnome3 plugin to allow me to dock programs on the top bar?
18:50<abrotman>chakka_: have you checked extensions.gnome.org ?
18:50<abrotman>(use epiphany to do that)
18:50<chakka_>I tried the autohide dock on the left side, but its insany-making.... I click on the terminal window and it doesnt open a new window - it just forgrounds the window I already havz
18:50<chakka_>I did look at extensions.gnome.org, nothing obvious jumped out at me
18:50<abrotman>chakka_: right click on the icon in the sidebar, choose new window
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18:51<chakka_>I am clear about the right click then open new window - I guess I want to change the behavior of the primary click
18:51<chakka_>(left click)
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18:52<ArpO2>abrotman: Destination Host Unreachable
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18:53<abrotman>ArpO2: check your ip and route
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18:57<ArpO2>i did networking restart and ping works... must i do "networking restart" now after every reboot or startup?
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19:08<mi7>so ?
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19:14<retrospectacus>ArpO2: no, it should be fine after reboot
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19:19<ArpO2>strange... BUT i set up /etc/network/interfaces and now it seems to be working fine... even after a reboot
19:19<retrospectacus>great
19:19<Zironid>hi
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19:27<mi7>\who
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19:29<Zironid>hello
19:29<ArpO2>hi Z
19:29<Zironid>how are you?
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19:54<NegraCardio>running Wheezy, fully updated. need to get USB mic to loopback into jack speakers. ALSA can loopback, but only runs laptop's embedded mic.
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19:58<NegraCardio>hello?
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20:05<Slaizer>hi all, I am trying to install unrar-nonfree. having difficulties installing it. tar.gz file, that im not getting installed right. Have read the make.txt file, dont understand it. any help here?
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20:05<Slaizer>should be readme.txt
20:07<SynrG>why are you installing from the tarball?
20:07<SynrG>,versions unrar-nonfree
20:07<judd>No package named 'unrar-nonfree' was found in i386.
20:07<SynrG>hmm
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20:07<SynrG>,versions unrar
20:07<judd>Package: unrar on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:3.9.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:4.1.4-1; jessie/non-free: 1:4.2.4-0.3; sid/non-free: 1:4.2.4-0.3
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20:08<jessieuser>how does one go about installing better support for utf-8 ? I find that the iceweasel browser can not render multi-byte utf-8 and that xterm's are also unable to render many glyphs.
20:09<SynrG>jessieuser: at paste.debian.net paste the output of 'locale'
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20:11<jessieuser>where ?
20:11<retrospectacus>Slaizer: install unrar from non-free.
20:11<jessieuser>oh .. isnt there a #paste irc chan ?
20:12<retrospectacus>jessieuser: if there is we are not in it
20:12<jessieuser>http://paste.debian.net/5895/
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20:13<jessieuser>also http://paste.debian.net/5896/
20:13<Slaizer>retrospectacus: well, is the easiest way to add it to the repositories?
20:13<jessieuser>so I would think that the real issue is not utf-8 support in xterm etc but is in fact the render of the glyphs by Xorg and X windows
20:13<jessieuser>that is the real issue I think
20:14<retrospectacus>Slaizer: yes, simply add "non-free" to the end of your main source line. You might as well add contrib if it isn't there already
20:14<retrospectacus>Slaizer: then run apt-get update and apt-get install unrar
20:15<Slaizer>retrospectacus: sorry, what is my main source line?
20:15*SamB is pretty sure you're supposed to have contrib whenever you have non-free, just as you aren't supposed to have experimental without unstable ...
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20:16<retrospectacus>Slaizer: the line in /etc/apt/sources.list which starts with deb and has a url and "wheezy main" (and maybe contrib) at the end
20:17<Slaizer>retrospectacus: I need to be root for this?
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20:17<retrospectacus>Slaizer: correct
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20:18<retrospectacus>Slaizer: I have to go. Someone else will be able to help if you have any trouble
20:19<NegraCardio>hey guys! running wheezy. trying to get secondary USB mic to loopback into the headphone jack.
20:20<Slaizer>any shortcut opening this file with gedit?
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20:22<NegraCardio>what sort of file?
20:22<Slaizer>solved it!
20:22<NegraCardio>alrighty. got any solution to my issue?
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20:24<Slaizer>sorry, have not, am new to linux
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20:26<NegraCardio>alrighty
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20:33<NegraCardio>running wheezy. trying to get secondary USB mic to loopback into the headphone jack.
20:34<NegraCardio>anyone?
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20:35<NegraCardio>hey! you here to help, or be helped?
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20:38<NegraCardio>hello!
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20:41<NegraCardio>hey!
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21:19<wardhan>yesterday, i have created a kernel with option for RTL8723AE. but if i give iwconfig it showing nothing. is there anything more i can do ?
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21:29<Myon>wardhan: at least read the dmesg output if it says something about the driver/device
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21:29<Myon>maybe also try modprobing it
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21:30<wardhan>modprobing resulted in negative.
21:30<wardhan>i used command : modprobe 8723ae
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21:32<wardhan>my dmesg ouput : http://pastebin.com/Gp6GP3at
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21:34<wardhan>apparently i am missing something. i have added CONFIG_RTL8723AE=m. i did not install any firmware package before making kernel deb file.
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22:05<luis_>olá
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22:06<NegraCardio>anyone home?
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22:07<andy>dead clients pinging
22:12<luis_>yes
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22:12<NegraCardio>you able to help me with something?
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22:16<LtL>!ask
22:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:17<NegraCardio>yes, I know how to ask things. I have, five times. I'm running wheezy. trying to get secondary USB mic to loopback into the headphone jack.
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22:34<NegraCardio>running wheezy. trying to get secondary USB mic to loopback into the headphone jack.
22:34<NegraCardio>anyone?
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22:53<Che>Hi
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22:53<NegraCardio>hey!
22:53<NegraCardio>running wheezy. trying to get secondary USB mic to loopback into the headphone jack.
22:53<NegraCardio>anyone?
22:53<Che>yes
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22:55<NegraCardio>got a solution?
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23:05<NegraCardio>running wheezy. trying to get secondary USB mic to loopback into the headphone jack.
23:05<NegraCardio>anyone?
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23:07<detrout>What audio software are you trying to do this with?
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23:19<NegraCardio>Alsa. the mic is Logitech
23:20<NegraCardio>I also have Pulc
23:20<NegraCardio>Pulse*
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23:24<NegraCardio>ugh... I need to get going. sorry
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23:25<detrout>I've never tried to do that, maybe look at alsaloop? something like alsaloop -P <headphone device id> -C <mic device id>
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23:50<rickbol>how do I change the terminal resolution in Deb7-xfce?
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