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00:12<wardhan>hi all. i am gain trying to create a new kernel. under which head of .config should i add CONFIG_RTL8723AE=m ?
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00:52<LtL>wardhan: grep your config for `CAIF transport drivers` it should probably go under that.
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01:17<wardhan>Ltl: thank you.
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01:20<LtL>wardhan: welcome, wish you luck
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01:47<lukasz>coś cisza tu
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01:52<reza>hi
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01:52<reza>i have a problem
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01:53<reza>Searching for a valid kernel header path...
01:53<reza>The path "" is not a valid path to the 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel headers.
01:53<reza>can anyone help me
01:54<reza>anyone is there ?
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01:56<jm_>I don't see him/her
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02:05<LtL>reza: ls /usr/src/
02:05<reza>i
02:05<reza>i just installed that
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02:05<reza>sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` psmisc
02:06<LtL>reza: so what are you trying to do, or what's wrong
02:06<reza>everything is ok right know :P thanks
02:06<LtL>reza: okay
02:06<reza>i'm trying to run gnome on vmware
02:07<reza>and it installed but cannot detect display :(
02:07<reza>i donna how to fix that
02:07<LtL>reza: ah, you may eed a symlink
02:08<LtL>*need
02:08<reza>it's first time i use linux on vmware
02:08<LtL>reza: something like, ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux
02:09<LtL>reza: but i'm no vmware expert
02:09<reza>:(
02:09<reza>you know where can i get help ?
02:09<reza>it runner but just nothing !!
02:09<reza>root@Debian:/home/reran# ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux
02:09<reza>root@Debian:/home/reran# ^C
02:09<reza>root@Debian:/home/reran#
02:10<LtL>reza: theres a #vmware channel on irc.freenode.net or google the debian forums
02:11<reza>ow
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02:11<reza>thanks man
02:11<LtL>sure, good luck
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02:11<reza>thanks but it's empty :( i will wate
02:11<reza>wait*
02:11<reza>where can i paste some code to show for help ?
02:12<LtL>reza: [Freenode] -!- #vmware 414 clients
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02:12<LtL>reza: paste.debian.net
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02:13<reza>ok thanks i'm with mac client and i donno whats wrong with that :|
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02:14<LtL>reza: this may be of help. http://www.vmware.com/support/pubs/
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02:15<reza>http://paste.debian.net/5922/
02:15<reza>thanks a lot
02:15<reza>can you take a look at this ?
02:16<LtL>reza: i can, but i doubt i'll be any help. paste it, someone might
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02:16<reza> ok thanks
02:17<LtL>reza: Type './vmware-toolbox-cmd help <command>' looks promosing
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02:19<LtL>reza: less the angle brackets i would assume
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02:19<reza>:-?
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02:20<LtL>reza: Type './vmware-toolbox-cmd help somecommand
02:21<LtL>reza: maybe look for docs in /usr/share/doc/
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02:21<reza>ow
02:22<reza>ok ill take a look right now
02:22<reza>thanks
02:22<LtL>reza: got to go, good luck :)
02:22<LtL>np
02:22<reza>thanks
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03:35<gonkit>ciao a tutti
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03:40<adri>Hello, I would like to ask, what would you recommend to use, Debian 7 i386 or Debian 7 amd64 ? I have 8 GB RAM processor is Intel core 2 duo, on Debian 6.0.7 system is very fast and stable, on Debian 7 amd64 slow
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03:40<adri>The problem can be in ext4?
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03:41<lindi->adri: how do you measure this?
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03:41<jm_>another option would be to use i386 with amd64 kernel
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03:42<adri>Work with MySQL databases is slow and painful
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03:43<adri>One site on Debian 6 installed for 49 seconds, the same site on Debian 7 is installed in 11 minutes
03:45<adri>What are your tips? Which is better to use? Debian 7 i386 with pae kernel or Debian 7 amd64?
03:46<lindi->adri: amd64 if you have 8 GB of RAM
03:46<lindi->adri: but you need some mysql expert to figure out the cause of that regression
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03:47<adri>But why is it so slow? MySQL running slow hard drive will not stop doing something
03:48<adri>Debian 6 and debian 7 using ata_piix kernel driver
03:48<adri>but debian 6 use ext3 file system
03:48<lindi->adri: well, you can try using tmpfs just to verify that the disk is the problem
03:48<adri>debian 7 use a ext4
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03:48<adri>On debian 6 hard drive work perfect
03:48<adri>mysql too
03:50<adri>The new MySQL has zlib compression, could this be the reason?
03:50<jm_>my bet would be on sync
03:50<jm_>surely you can disable that
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03:51<themill>you could run it under eatmydata to test that theory. But be careful...
03:51<adri>I use and wine, and the system load at times reaches 10.0 sight unseen for Debian 6
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03:53<adri>I use Debian than 10 years, the first time I'm so disappointed
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03:53<lindi->adri: can you try my tip?
03:54<themill>that sort of high load sounds like iowait
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03:54<adri>Debian 7 has nothing to do with stability
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03:55<adri>Thanks guys, I'll think what to do
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03:56<themill>adri: please work with people making suggestions rather than just complaining about things and then wandering off
03:58<adri>I was always ready to help you with what I can, I just wanted to clearly express his disappointment Debian 7
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03:59<adri>This is my personal opinion of course
04:00<themill>adri: I've not heard of anyone else seeing these sorts of problems at all (quite the opposite, in fact) so I suspect either a local configuration or hardware issue.
04:00<adri>Try to install a cms, and then see what the MySQL doing
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04:04<adri>If you had a problem with me, he would have and on Debian 6
04:04*themill gives mysql quite a beating with no issues at all
04:04<adri>Hard drive is checked, no bad sectors, talk about disk as WD 1 TB SATA 3 64 CACHE 7200 RPM BLACK
04:05<adri>THIS IS ONE OF THE FASTEST DISCS
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04:08<adri>Thank you very much anyway
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04:32<jspiros>I am running into this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689872
04:33<jspiros>namely, when booting with libata.force=1.5G, it complains about an unknown parameter "5G"
04:33<jspiros>I installed kmod/libkmod2/module-init-tools 9-3, which closed that bug, but upon reboot I'm still running into the error
04:34<jspiros>am I misunderstanding what role kmod/libkmod2 plays? do I need to do something besides upgrade the package?
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05:59<Vyrus001_>is testing broken?
05:59<Vyrus001_>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/install-info_5.1.dfsg.1-3_amd64.deb (--unpack): triggers ci file contains unknown directive `interest-noawait'
05:59<dpkg>vyrus001_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
06:00<themill>Vyrus001_: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt install-into" for us?
06:01<themill>s/into/info/, obviously
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06:01<Vyrus001_>http://pastebin.com/CRs2khfk
06:02<themill>Vyrus001_: don't mix squeeze and jessie.
06:02<Vyrus001_>more /etc/apt/sources.list
06:02<Vyrus001_>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main
06:03<Vyrus001_>problem?
06:03<themill>look at that pastebin again -- you've got dpkg from squeeze.
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06:05<Vyrus001_>themill: I dont understand, my apt.src list is just the 2 lines from testing and i just did an apt-get update --fix-missing
06:05<Vyrus001_>i have no idea why it went and did that
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06:06<themill>are you trying to upgrade from squeeze to jessie or have you been sort-of-tracking testing for a while?
06:07<Vyrus001_>to be honest im not the only person with root on this box so it might have been messed with
06:07<Vyrus001_>when i rolled it i rolled it squeeze
06:07<Vyrus001_>if i set it back to that with updates would that fix things?
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06:09<Vyrus001>themill: heh well i did and that fixed it, they mos thave changed the src file at som epoint
06:09<Vyrus001>anyway thnx for helping me look int he right direction
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06:10<themill>Vyrus001: work out if you're going to run wheezy or jessie and then make sure you're actually running that release. /msg dpkg not available
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06:21<jiayongmao>hello , i got a problem:when booting , "unable to reset IRR for apic " come up, does anyone haove this problem?
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06:27<jiayongmao>hello , i got a problem:when booting , "unable to reset IRR for apic " come up, does anyone haove this problem? how to solve it?
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06:29<lindi->jiayongmao: dmesg?
06:32<jiayongmao>lindi-: ..
06:33<lindi->jiayongmao: or just take a photo and put it online somewhere
06:33<jm_>you can disable apic with kernel option noapic
06:33<jm_>there are also mani lapic related optiosn, try toying with those
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06:41<lindi->jiayongmao: see the topic of the channel
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06:55<neerow>anybody want to help me out with installing debian on http://www.cloudsto.com/dual-core-rikomagic-mk802-iii.html
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06:55<neerow>i see that somebody already managed to install it on 802 ii https://www.miniand.com/forums/forums/development/topics/debian-wheezy-lxde-armhf-build
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06:57<schichtleiter>Short bash question: how do I copy an amount of files ending with a number up to a certain treshold? I have a set of files ending with numbers, and want to copy all files ending with a number smaller than x?
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06:59<stdhell>schichtleiter: Maybe something like foo.{1..10}
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07:01<jiayongmao>lindi-: error message :42 [ 0.020105] Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 2 I/O APICs
07:01<jiayongmao>143 [ 0.020809] Unable to reset IRR for apic: 2, pin :0
07:01<jiayongmao>144 [ 0.020866] Unable to reset IRR for apic: 2, pin :1
07:01<jiayongmao>145 [ 0.020919] Unable to reset IRR for apic: 2, pin :2
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07:02<jm_>schichtleiter: see if seq can help (man seq), and bash also understands {..Y} AFAIK
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07:03<schichtleiter>found it, its cp *[lower_limit-upper_limit]
07:03<schichtleiter>for lower and upper you insert the corresponding numbers obviously
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07:03<musca>schichtleiter: and there is #bash on freenode
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07:05<jiayongmao>lindi-: do you know how to solve it ?
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07:05<musca>jiayongmao: please use http://paste.debian.net to show us your text
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07:06<stdhell>schichtleiter: [] is used for character-ranges. *.[1-10] is not what you think it is.
07:06<stdhell>But {1..10} might be...
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07:08<artur>clear
07:08<stdhell>artur: You're already here...
07:08<artur>lol
07:08<artur>Hi!
07:08<map>lol
07:08<jiayongmao>musca: see : http://paste.debian.net/5962/
07:09<artur>Does anyone know how I can adjust the GPU fan speed down in Debian
07:09<neerow>Hi! i have problems installing debian on rikimagic MK802 iii this is a andorid stick.. i see that somebody already have managed to install debian on MK802 ii .. anybody with any sugesstion how to install debian on the stick?
07:10<musca>artur: which graphics and which driver do you use?
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07:10<schichtleiter>stdhell: it worked oddly enough, but i will use your solution. is it possible that [x-y] only works for single digits?
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07:10<artur>the xorg ati graphics driver which supports the HD series
07:10<stdhell>schichtleiter: Single characters (that might be digits) would be more correct.
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07:12<musca>!tell artur about radeon
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07:12<stdhell>schichtleiter: [3-42] would be the characters between '3' and '4'... and the character '2'. In other words: Only '2', '3' and '4'.
07:13<jiayongmao>lindi-: see the page:http://paste.debian.net/5962/
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07:14<stdhell>schichtleiter: {3..42} on the other hand is all the numbers from 3 to 42.
07:14<musca>artur: did you install firmware-linux-nonfree?
07:14<artur>no
07:14<artur>during the install the default drivers were auto-installed
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07:15<artur>it's the xorg collection with the ati drivers auto installed during debian install
07:15<musca>!tell artur about radeon firmware
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07:17<schichtleiter>stdhell: thats what i thought. thanks a lot.
07:18<stdhell>No problem.
07:19<artur>does anyone know where i can find the debian GNU/kFreeBSD IRC channel?
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07:20<lindi->jiayongmao: are you using some virtualization?
07:20<musca>!tell artur about kfreebsd
07:21<jiayongmao>lindi-: no, it runs on my laptop: acer travlmate 2400
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07:22<adhawkins>Anyone help getting XEN installed with debian as dom0?
07:23<adhawkins>root@dyn-7:~# apt-get install xen-linux-system
07:23<adhawkins>Reading package lists... Done
07:23<adhawkins>Building dependency tree
07:23<adhawkins>Reading state information... Done
07:23<adhawkins>Note, selecting 'xen-linux-system-amd64' instead of 'xen-linux-system'
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07:23<adhawkins>Whoops, sorry.
07:23<stdhell>!paste
07:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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07:23<adhawkins>http://pastebin.com/xKbxMVgb
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07:23*adhawkins blushes
07:24<jiayongmao>lindi-: when i put the debian7 cd in the cdrom , choose "install " , it wil come up, after instlled , when booting , also give me that message
07:24<adhawkins>Didn't realise the output was so long.
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07:25<lindi->jiayongmao: ok, looks like a kernel bug. if it boots maybe you can still use it normally?
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07:26<stdhell>adhawkins: Take a look at apt-get's -f option...
07:26<adhawkins>I did that, it still doesn't work
07:26<adhawkins>Seems to be because of the kernel:
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07:26<adhawkins>http://pastebin.com/H99XawQs
07:27<jiayongmao>lindi-: it seems yes , i am using it now, nothing happen
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07:28<stdhell>adhawkins: What about "apt-get -f install" without a package?
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07:28<adhawkins>Nothing to do
07:29<adhawkins>This is a (almost) clean install of wheezy.
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07:29<adhawkins>All that's been installed is ssh server and joe.
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07:33<adhawkins>Any other suggestions?
07:34<stdhell>adhawkins: Not really... Maybe your package lists ain't up-to-date, but I would assume you already did an apt-get update?
07:34<adhawkins>Yes
07:34<stdhell>Then I'm out of ideas... :-/
07:34<adhawkins>I've managed to install xen-system-amd64
07:35<BRICKS1984>hi i have installed debian on this iMac i have but now it won't start up again there's this folder with a question mark on it that keeps blinking any ideas on what to do?
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07:35<adhawkins>I guess it might just be an incorrect dependency on the xen-linux-system-3.2.0-4-amd64 meta package
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07:35<adhawkins>It has a kernel requirement = 3.2.41-2
07:35<adhawkins>http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xen-linux-system-3.2.0-4-amd64
07:36<SynrG>check for bugs on that. if there isn't one, file one.
07:36<adhawkins>How can I tell if I've booted the Xen option if I can't see the console?
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07:37<adhawkins>SynrG: It says no reports found.
07:37<adhawkins>What's the package to report a bug again?
07:38<stdhell>linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64, version 3.2.41-2 is in my package list...
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07:38<BRICKS1984>hi i have installed debian on this iMac i have but now it won't start up again there's this folder with a question mark on it that keeps blinking any ideas on what to do?
07:39<adhawkins>So where did I get this one from then?
07:39<adhawkins>How can I tell?
07:39<adhawkins>Ah, apt-cache show
07:39<stdhell>Version 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 is there too.
07:39<adhawkins>http://pastebin.com/AK03G5JY
07:40<adhawkins>But I've obviously installed the latter, which will mean the meta package will fail.
07:40<stdhell>$ apt-cache show xen-linux-system-3.2.0-4-amd64 | grep Version
07:40<stdhell>Version: 3.2.41-2+deb7u2
07:40<stdhell>Version: 3.2.41-2
07:40<adhawkins>Yes.
07:41<stdhell>Not if you install version 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 of xen-linux-system-3.2.0-4-amd64
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07:41<adhawkins>I don't see that.
07:41<adhawkins>All I have is 3.2.41-2
07:41<adhawkins>And that's what's on the web site.
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07:42<stdhell>Can we see your sources.list?
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07:43<adhawkins>http://pastebin.com/kcTDziik
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07:43<adhawkins>But this: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xen-linux-system-3.2.0-4-amd64
07:44<adhawkins>only shows the 3.2.42-2 version anyway?
07:44<stdhell>No security updates?
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07:44<adhawkins>Wouldn't that be listed on packages.debian.org?
07:45<adhawkins>Ah, you mean it's missing from sources.
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07:45<stdhell>I would have thought security updates would be listed too, but it seems it isn't.
07:45<adhawkins>That's better, thanks
07:46<stdhell>No problem.
07:46<adhawkins>Ok, so how can I tell that I've booted into the correct grub option for Xen?
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07:47<stdhell>As far as I remember, there's a /proc/xen* (I can't remember the name) if Xen is running.
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07:48<adhawkins>There is indeed. Thanks
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08:02<neerow>im trying again.. i have problems installing debian on rikimagic MK802 iii this is a andorid stick.. i see that somebody already have managed to install debian on MK802 ii .. anybody with any sugesstion how to install debian on the stick?
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08:15<azagael>can somebody verify if this http://wiki.debian.org/skype will work for wheezy?
08:17<azagael>AMD64 architecture, by the way
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08:19<mrwick> azagael: I'm using skype on wheezy:amd64.. from that page set it up I did
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08:19<mbentley>magnulu: awesome. glad to hear it worked!
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08:19<azagael>thank you arwick
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08:30<azagael>as i input the follow command from debian wiki for installing skype, dpkg -i skype-install.deb at the end it gives me the following error: Errors were encountered while processing: skype
08:31<TobiX>azagael: Please paste the full output to paste.debian.net
08:31<azagael>you mean everything my terminal shows after the command?
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08:32<TobiX>azagael: Yes
08:32<TobiX>azagael: Are you following the multi-arch instructions?
08:32<azagael>yes, how do i join paste.debian.net?
08:33<stdhell>You don't. You just copy/paste.
08:33<azagael>in here?
08:33<stdhell>No. At paste.debian.net
08:33<TobiX>azagael: Open it in your webbroser, paste, copy link to paste into this channel
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08:34<azagael>ok i pasted it, TobiX
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08:35<leoquant>j#oftc
08:35<Bob1>Hi! Could someone explain, what +debXuY means in the package version?
08:35<stdhell>azagael: Can we have the link?
08:35<Bob1>Is it debian security update version?
08:35<TobiX>Bob1: Nothing. It's a version number
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08:35<azagael>of the page im following the instructions from?
08:36<leoquant>j #smuxie
08:36<blast007>azagael: to the paste :)
08:36<TobiX>azagael: No, of your paste
08:36<stdhell>The paste link.
08:36<Bob1>Tobix: e.g. 1.9.4-8+deb7u1
08:36<stdhell>leoquant: /join #...
08:36<TobiX>leoquant: You might want to add some / before your commands
08:36<azagael>aha! sorry, http://paste.debian.net/5978/
08:37<TobiX>azagael: Looks correct, try "apt-get -f install"
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08:37<leoquant>yeah thx, some typo chaos here :)
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08:37<stdhell>Maybe the wiki-page should have a small note saying dpkg -i skype-install.deb will fail.
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08:38<azagael>thank you, TobiX, blast007 and stdhell
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08:40<TobiX>Somebody here who can change the wiki page?
08:42<azagael>there was someone here that verified the page worked correctly though
08:43<TobiX>The non-Multi-Arch part should be removed completly, since Skype removed that Link from the homepage...
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08:44<azagael>when i try to open skype it tells me: Failed to launch 'skype' Failed to execute child process ''skype'' (no such file or directory)
08:45<greenit>azagael, probably this guy had qt4 already installed?
08:47<TobiX>On another note, somebody should expand that wiki page to mention gdebi, which is a more user-friendly alternative to "dpkg -i"
08:47<greenit>btw, is it safe to install wine on a 64-bit machine? it wants to install pretty much packages and this is the only 32-program i want to have in my 64-bit environment...
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08:48<TobiX>greenit: Yes, that's fine
08:48<greenit>TobiX, ok, thx
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08:48<TobiX>greenit: There are quite a lot packages you need to install for your first multi-arch package
08:49<azagael>@greenit test
08:49<azagael>how do you ''whisper'' someone in red?
08:49<TobiX>greenit: But those are mostly "just" libraries (libc, audio, gl, X, etc.)
08:49<greenit>TobiX, hm... makes sense as there are no i386-packages there alrdy^^
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08:51<greenit>azagael, what do you mean with whisper someone in red?
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08:51<azagael>you talk to me in a red color, nobody else can see that, right?
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08:52<stdhell>No, that's just to highlight your name _to you_.
08:52<mbentley>azagael: that would probably be your irc client highlighting your name
08:52<greenit>nope, as long as your name is in the written text it will display it highlighted (default red in xchat afaik) to you azagael
08:53<azagael>oh i see.
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09:08<azagael>how do i get adobe shockwave for youtube and such?
09:09<musca>!flash
09:09<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
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09:10<azagael>thank you dpkg
09:11<musca>azagael: The <HTML5> player can be used instead of <Adobe Flash> for supported browsers, see http://www.youtube.com/html5
09:13<azagael>musca: HTML5 is some trial, i'd rather use something i know will work fine, and have always used. thanks though
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09:19<stdhell>azagael: You should try it some day. Adobes flash-player is a piece of close-source, proprietary crap.
09:19<azagael>hmm..will my iceweasel plugins work with that HTML5?
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09:20<stdhell>I don't know what plugins you have. Only one way to find out...
09:21<azagael>alright
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09:21<stdhell>Or you could download the videos with something like youtube-dl and watch them with mplayer or whatever.
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09:22<azagael>no im too lazy for that, lol. i clicked ''join the html5 trial'' here http://www.youtube.com/html5 what do i do now?
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09:23<azagael>nevermind, restarted my web browser and it fixed itself
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09:26<musca>welcome to the bright future of the web :)
09:26<WhiteNight>Hi, how can I display comments in a pdf?
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09:43<pinguy>Hello, would anyone here happen to know what the chat for Pinguy OS is?
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09:44<oye>Just run irssi, pinguy.
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09:45<pinguy>irssi? sorry i dont know what that is lol
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09:46<mbentley>pinguy: http://pinguyos.com/irc-chat/
09:46<pinguy>Thank you!
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09:54<sajad>hi
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09:54<sajad>salam
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10:19<kitsonkit>hi all
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10:43<sml>how yo update squizzy to whizzy ?
10:43<sml>squeezy
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10:44<themill>sml: /topic
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10:45<sml>thanks
10:45<sml>is it dangerous ?
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10:49<rajdon>change sources.list to wheezy instead of squeeze and do update && dist-upgrade
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10:54<wompa>sml, what is "it"?
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10:55<Samkov>I'm trying to get better acquainted with apt-pinning. I track stable, and use backports, but there are a few packages from unstable/sid that I need. My /etc/apt/preferences looks like this, does anyone see any issues? http://paste.debian.net/6019/
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10:59<sml>wompa: life
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11:00<wompa>sml, oh, I don't think this channel supports life though ;)
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11:01<mbentley>Samkov: you actually shouldn't need to pin wheezy-backports
11:01<mbentley>err, sorry, not pin but assign a priority
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11:01<mbentley>Samkov: i personally only set pin-priority for testing, sid and unstable and i just set them lower than 100 which is the default
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11:02<mbentley>(if i remember correctly)
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11:03<mbentley>sorry, the default is actually 500, not 100. 100 is the default for wheezy-backports
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11:04<Samkov>where can you see what the defaults are?
11:04<mbentley>Samkov: apt-cache policy will show you what yours are set to. i found the default in 'man apt-preferences
11:04<mbentley>geez, can't type today, man apt_preferences
11:05<Samkov>ahaha
11:05<Samkov>so stable should be kept at 700?
11:05<Samkov>or should that be bumped up a bit?
11:06<mbentley>it's all about relative priority
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11:08<mbentley>as long as stable is higher than the others, it will take priority
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11:09<Samkov>im struggling with this now, say i want the pidgin package from testing or sid, its going to install the pidgin deps from testing or sid right?
11:09<Samkov>along with the pidgin package from testing or sid
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11:10<libre>Samkov: it should install the latest enabled version
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11:10<sml>well. it didn't blow up!
11:10<stderr>...yet.
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11:11<sml>stderr: yea have little faith!
11:11<mbentley>Samkov: if you want to install pidgin from sid, you would want to use 'apt-get install -t sid pidgin'
11:11<sml>so the test box worked. now to try it on prod. what's the worst that can happen?!
11:11<mbentley>here is mine >> http://paste.debian.net/6029/
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11:12<Samkov>right, that I know, but im talking about all of the dependencies that comes with pidgin from sid
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11:12<mbentley>Samkov: ah gotcha, sorry missed that. yes, that is correct. it will pull them from wherever the package is
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11:14<Samkov>i know its super easy to see what experimental packages are installed, but is there a way to see what packages are installed from testing or sid?
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11:14<themill>!which repo
11:14<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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11:15<Samkov>awesome! thank you
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11:20<jthomas>How can I fix this or troubleshoot it? I've tried erasing the Chrome preferences that I've found; I think it's an issue with Gnome icons some how. Other accounts on my box don't have this. It is not affected by GTk Configuration in KDE's System Settings.
11:20<jthomas>oops
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11:22<jthomas>Chromium looks different from an icon-launch vs a CLI launch; running Debian Testing with KDE 4.8.4. http://imagebin.org/258435 How can I fix this or troubleshoot it? I've tried erasing the Chrome preferences that I've found; I think it's an issue with Gnome icons some how. Other accounts on my box don't have this. It is not affected by GTk Configuration in KDE's System Settings.
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11:25<stderr>jthomas: Anything interesting in .xsession-errors?
11:25<retrospectacus>jthomas: check the icon's .desktop file for irregularity?
11:26<stderr>jthomas: BTW: Chrome and Chromium ain't the same thing.
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11:33<jthomas>yes, chromium prefs is what I removed; I don't have chrome. .desktop file doesn't look abnormal but I'm unsure really. xsession-errors has some stuff but I don't understand it, http://pastebin.ca/2380622
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11:35<retrospectacus>jthomas: check /home/jthomas/.gtkrc-2.0 line 15
11:36<libre>I'm trying to boot debian-live-6.0.7 from iso (with grub2) with isofrom parameter, /scripts/live (from /live/initrd.img) can't figure out my partition is ext4 in line 1491: 'mount -t auto "$ISO_DEVICE" /isofrom'. There are workarounds?
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11:37<jthomas>retrospectacus it reads, "gtk-menu-images=0"
11:38<jthomas>i moved that file; no change either from either the CLI or Icon launch
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11:43<jthomas>I changed various setting sin KDE's GTk Configuration screen; no change
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11:45<jthomas>gtk-chtheme looks normal for both CLI and Icon launch.
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11:50<luis_1978>hello people
11:50<luis_1978>I'm just new with Debian. I came from Ubuntu
11:51<stderr>jthomas: Can you paste the .desktop file? Otherwise I'm out of ideas.
11:51<stderr>luis_1978: Congrats!
11:51<jthomas>welcome luis_1978
11:51<luis_1978>jajaja thx
11:51<luis_1978>I don't know if I did the right thing jajaja
11:51<stderr>You did.
11:51<jthomas>definitly :
11:51<jthomas>:)
11:51<haylo>you could always use them both
11:52<luis_1978>I'm more a 3d and 2d artist
11:52<luis_1978>ok
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11:52<luis_1978>this is true
11:52<jthomas>luis_1978 you may want to use Debnian Testing which will get more updates and newer software than Debian Stable. Testing is closer to package releases with *buntu
11:52<jthomas>but, more unstable
11:52<jthomas>somewhat
11:53<babilen>quite a bit more
11:53<haylo>wheezy was just released, its nearly identical to what is in upstream :P
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11:53<luis_1978>Well I was looking for stable because I work a lot with Blender and I can't stop because of a system crash
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11:54<babilen>luis_1978: I'd recommend to use wheezy for now and use packages from backports (cf. http://backports.debian.org/) if you require newer versions. I wouldn't necessarily recommend tracking testing to new users as it requires quite some knowledge of Debian to be able to fix *some* issues that you will run into.
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11:54<luis_1978>Yes
11:54<retrospectacus>stable+backports is fine if you don't care about having all the latest versions and just want to use your computer without it ever breaking.
11:54<babilen>luis_1978: Is blender 2.63a okay for your work?
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11:55<luis_1978>haha I'm using 2.67a
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11:55<babilen>luis_1978: So, you would require a newer version?
11:55<babilen>luis_1978: I haven't used blender in ages and this is an honest question ;)
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11:55<luis_1978>but that's not a problem no I update automatically to the last
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11:55<babilen>luis_1978: You mean you install blender manually and use its internal update mechanism?
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11:56<jthomas>stderr chromium.desktop file http://pastebin.ca/2380638
11:56<luis_1978>well I use the terminal with some little ppa with ubuntu
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11:56<luis_1978>So I never have to look for updates now
11:57<luis_1978>I update everything and that includes the las svn Blender
11:57<luis_1978>last svn
11:57<luis_1978>This is good for me that I don't have time to loose with scripts or programing things
11:57<luis_1978>sorry for programmers :)
11:58<jthomas>PPAs don't work in Debian I don't think. Ubuntu destroyed what is the concept of a .deb' file -- it is no longer a debian package, now it's whatever people wanna do
11:58<babilen>luis_1978: I wouldn't recommend using PPAs on Debian at all. They are not supported and packages in there target Ubuntu and not Debian - Installing packages from third-party repositories (and in particular PPAs) might break your system. (always keep in mind that you let whowever setup that PPA run commands as root on your box)
11:58<luis_1978>this is true
11:58<babilen>luis_1978: So, once again my question: Is running 2.63a okay or do you *need* a newer version for your work?
11:59<luis_1978>newer always
11:59<babilen>heh
11:59<stderr>jthomas: Looks fine... chromium isn't an alias, right? And which chromium says /usr/bin/chromium? If so, I'm all out of ideas. :-/
11:59<luis_1978>From 2.63 blender has updates very very differents
11:59<luis_1978>like new dynamic topology sculpt
11:59<luis_1978>look
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12:00<luis_1978>https://vimeo.com/66729750
12:00<luis_1978>This what I do with Blender
12:00<jthomas>stderr that is correct on both accounts
12:01<babilen>yes, I believe that there are differences between those versions -- All I am asking is if you require 2.67a for your work or if an older version would be okay.
12:01<luis_1978>And for sure any update is super important in Blender Because I testing the last features that improve very often
12:01<luis_1978>2.67 sure
12:01<luis_1978>but it's not a problem
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12:02<luis_1978>I could download from official website and it's the last version for linux
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12:02<luis_1978>the nice thing is the automatic update of releases that are not official
12:02<luis_1978>you know?
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12:02<jthomas>no, how does that happen, luis_1978 ?
12:02<babilen>luis_1978: Yes, I remember doing that. You might simply want to install it to /usr/local or /opt and be done with it if you cannot use the version in Debian.
12:03<babilen>luis_1978: Have you installed Debian already or do you require help with that?
12:03<luis_1978>I had some little questions about stability but nothing important
12:04<luis_1978>and if somebody has tested debian in a design environment
12:04<babilen>luis_1978: As I said: I haven't used blender in many years
12:04<luis_1978>sorry then and thanks anyway
12:04<luis_1978>:)
12:05<babilen>dpkg: tell luis_1978 -about install debian
12:05<babilen>dpkg: tell luis_1978 -about firmware images
12:05<babilen>luis_1978: Don't worry -- Good luck and may you have a nice day!
12:05<luis_1978>you too
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12:09<Apophis>Hello. Where I can get stable sourses.list for apt?
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12:10<stderr>!sources.list
12:10<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list"
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12:14<babilen>Apophis: You end up with something like: http://paste.debian.net/6042/
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12:14<Apophis>thank you
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12:15<Anonynous_>test
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12:15<stderr>It didn't work...
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12:24<Apophis>http://paste.debian.net/6042/ this is stable?
12:24<mbentley>Apophis: yes
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13:07<samkod>when i run an apt-get upgrade it tells me that 3 packages will not be upgraded, is there any way that i can see which packages these 3 are?
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13:10<mtn>samkod: it shows which ones they are on the screen before the Y/n option.
13:10<abrotman>samkod: aptitude search '~U'
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13:11<mtn>samkod: sorry, misread the queston :P
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13:13<zdkl>hola
13:13<zdkl>aqui se habla en Español?
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13:14<mc68040>hi all, after upgrade from squeeze to wheezy (gnome2 -> gnome3) my usb stick dont get "automounted" anymore, any hints where to look?
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13:17<Dixie>hey
13:17<Dixie>i need help, is there anything i should know before installing debian with grub2 with efi ?
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13:19<musca>!efi
13:19<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/
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13:21<Dixie>musca, so grub2-efi will be default choice ?
13:21<Dixie>during the installation ?
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13:23<musca>well, i cannot test it, i have old bios machines.
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13:27<txt-file1>does debian prefer ip over IPv6 or are there other reasons why my box does not use IPv6 as default?
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13:30<lindi->txt-file1: that really depends on the package
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13:33<txt-file1>are not all packages build with ipv6 support?
13:33<txt-file1>if they support it
13:33<abrotman>such as ?
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13:34<abrotman>txt-file1: do you have an IPv6 address? and an IPv6 route?
13:34<txt-file1>i have both and can ping6 domains
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13:36<lindi->txt-file1: not all packages support ipv6 at all
13:36<abrotman>txt-file1: if the app has no v6 support, it will use v4
13:36<abrotman>txt-file1: in general, v6 is preferred over v4 if both are available
13:36<txt-file1>but i think that pidgin or iceweasel support it, or am i wrong?
13:37<abrotman>they certainly should
13:37<txt-file1>http://paste.debian.net/6064/ routes and ifconfig
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13:37<abrotman>and do the hosts you're connecting to also have v6 addresses ?
13:38<abrotman>yay HE space
13:39<lindi->txt-file1: it'd be easier to read the output of "ip -6 route" and "ip -6 address"
13:39<txt-file1>i am pretty sure that e.g. irc.oftc.net has also an ipv6. But "lsof -i" shows that it is connected via ipv4
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13:40<abrotman>txt-file1: right, but let's say you're usin your Hurricane IPv6 tunnel from your v4 address ..
13:40<txt-file1>lindi-: here you go http://paste.debian.net/6065/
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13:41<abrotman>txt-file1: your'e using all 6-to-4 space from what i see ?
13:42<txt-file1>abrotman: could that be a problem?
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13:51<txt-file>when I ask "lsof -i 6" the only programm which is shown is bitcoin-qt
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13:56<fede>hi, i have a question regarding debian dvds and pendrive install. Someone is willig to chat a bit?
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13:58<SynrG>fede: just ask your actual question (i'm not personally available, just heading out ... but we need details to be able to help at all)
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13:59<mi7>hello
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14:00<mi7>is there any one here ?
14:00<mi7>where can i post questions about wheezy ?
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14:00<mc68040>!ask
14:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:01<LtL>mi7: you can ask here
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14:03<cumrun>I iceweasel does not show flash player video
14:04<musca>!flash
14:04<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
14:04<mi7>I'm running debian wheezy, when i boot the os i can see some lines, and then (if i'm right after the 'fully populated....' something else) the screen goes black and nothing happens. Before upgrading from testing to stable i could see some other lineas and finally the login screen ! whats wrong ?
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14:05<cumrun>!gnash
14:05<dpkg>Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net.
14:06<cumrun>!lightspark
14:06<dpkg>Lightspark is an experimental, high-performance <Flash> player and browser plugin, aiming to support newer formats and the AVM2 virtual machine. The Mozilla browser plugin is packaged for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" as browser-plugin-lightspark. http://lightspark.github.com/
14:06<abrotman>cumrun: please msg the bot
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14:07<fede>SynrG, thanks for advice. I'm a bit busy right now, i will come back in 5 min :)
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14:12<fede>ok
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14:13<mi7>any clue ?
14:14<fede>i've downloaded all 3 debian dvds. I wanted to use them on an usb pen. The first dvd boots and works fine as is, but i don't get how to get 2' and 3' dvd workin through usbpen install. Tried a complete install 3 times already but no way...
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14:16<abrotman>mi7: don't do that
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14:17<fede>mi7, i'm noob in debian, but my experience on slackware around 2001 it looks like there is a problem with ur grafic card driver
14:18<fede>mi7, what happens if u type ctrl+alt+f8? if i'm right you should see your terminal
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14:18<fede>try f8, f7 and so on
14:19<mi7>\msg fede well i did't try that, but maybe you are right
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14:20<Arrowmaster>fede: i dont think dvd2/3 support being on a usb
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14:22<musca>!tell fede about iso mount
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14:22<fede>musca, with "iso mount" you mean loopback interface?
14:23<musca>yes, and i doubt that you really want to do a "full install"
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14:24<musca>there are seven more dvds available as per jigdo
14:24<fede>musca: i would be just pleased to load dvd2 and 3 to use them as repository
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14:24<fede>but apt-cdrom add /dev/sdb2 doesnt work
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14:25<cumrun>teh gnash was already installed on my system and I installes lightspark but my problem on watching embeded flash video was not resolved
14:25<retrospectacus>!tell cumrun about adobe flash
14:25<Calinou>just use adobe's flash
14:26<Calinou>or, youtube-dl
14:26<Calinou>not that legal :-) but it works great
14:26<fede>since there was no tips about multidvd/cd pen i just partitioned it, DVD1 sdb1 DVD2 sdb2 DVD3 sdb3
14:26<musca>cumrun: so you might wan't to try flashplugin-nonfree
14:26<f8l>fede: Number of virtual terminals is configurable IIRC.
14:26<cumrun>I installed adobe flash player plugin non-free too but it didn't resolv my problem too
14:26<f8l>fede: `apt-cdrom add` needs a path to a mounted disc/image.
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14:27<cumrun>c
14:27<fede>f8l, thx, but i tried also `apt-cdrom add /media/usb1`, either mounted or umounted. There was no changes in /etc/apt/sources.list
14:28<abrotman>cumrun: you have to restart iceweasel after installing flash
14:28<f8l>fede: Discs past the first one don't boot. They just contain packages.
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14:28<fede>i also changed mount path to /cdrom, /mnt/cdrom, created symlinks etc.. (thinkin there was some kind of rules for that command) but no, didn't wor
14:28<fede>work*
14:28<f8l>fede: Didn't you forget the -d switch?
14:29<cumrun>is it possible anybody try the following link on his/her system to see if it is playable machine? http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/v1r1m0/topic/com.ibm.iea.was_v7/was/7.0/Overview/WASv7_Overview/player.html?dmuid=20080925180910519827
14:29<fede>f8l, ouch.. i remember i used it, but i could have'nt used all the times
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14:30<fede>f8l, good point, i will give some tries
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14:31<fede>anyway, the fakecdrom installation media /dev/sdb1, works just for installation, it is noted by default in fstab and sources.list, but it doesn't work either after booting new system -.-
14:31<fede>there is something wrong somewhere
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14:32<cumrun>please could anyone try to the following link on his machine? because I can not watch it's embeded video in iceweasel http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/v1r1m0/topic/com.ibm.iea.was_v7/was/7.0/Overview/WASv7_Overview/player.html?dmuid=20080925180910519827
14:33<retrospectacus>cumrun: works good
14:33<abrotman>well ?
14:33*abrotman hides
14:34<retrospectacus>works fantabulousement
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14:34<cumrun>but i can't see the embeded video on my machine
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14:36<cumrun>retrospectacus: what solution could resolve my problem?
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14:38<retrospectacus>cumrun: installing flashplugin-nonfree from contrib and making sure chromium is using that, not gnash or lightspark
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14:39<Calinou>(tip: remove gnash and/or lightspark)
14:39<cumrun>retrospectacus: how can I check that chromium is using it and what is chromium?
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14:40<retrospectacus>oh, iceweasel
14:40<retrospectacus>cumrun: check by opening a tab and browse to "about:plugins"
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14:40<cumrun>retrospectacus: ok tanks let me check
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14:44<cumrun>retrospectacus: sorry but i am not sure about the plugin is used by iceweasel because i don't see anything about it when check "about:plugins"
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14:45<retrospectacus>cumrun: nothing about "Shockwave Flash" on that page at all? run 'update-flashplugin-nonfree' as root
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14:47<cumrun>I see something about "Shockwave Flash"
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14:48<retrospectacus>cumrun: what is the "path" of that plugin? Should be /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
14:48<cumrun>retrospectacus; m
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14:49<cumrun>retrospectacus: no it is libgnashplugin.so how can i change it?
14:50<retrospectacus>cumrun: apt-get purge gnash
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14:50<retrospectacus>as Calinou mentioned you should remove gnash and lightspark
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14:51<cumrun>retrospectacus:ok
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14:53<cumrun>retrospectacus: but befor uninstalling gnash and lighspark although i installed flashplugin-nonfree but i don't find any libflashplayer.so file on my file system
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14:54<retrospectacus>cumrun: run 'update-flashplugin-nonfree' as root
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14:55<cumrun>retrospectacus:ok
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15:00<cumrun>ret
15:01<cumrun>retrospectacus: when i run command "sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" i get the error "ERROR: failed to get upstream version" I will try on resolving the new issue
15:01*Sioux saluda
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15:02<retrospectacus>cumrun: well that is a problem... I have this issue too! wget: unable to resolve host address `fpdownload.macromedia.com'
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15:04<cumrun>retrospectacus: so what can I do?
15:04<retrospectacus>cumrun: now it worked. try again
15:05<cumrun>retrospectacus: the error changed to ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/get-upstream-version.pl.gz.pgp"
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15:06<retrospectacus>wfm. try it again
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15:07<bsdprezes>witam jest ktos z polski mam pytanie
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15:07<retrospectacus>!polish
15:07<dpkg>hmm... polish is spoken in #debian.pl on irc.freenode.net (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl
15:08<bsdprezes>thanks
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15:08<fede>my problem wasn't related to -d option, just tried it and doesnt work
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15:38<StyXman>amd64 debian sid just updated/upgraded, I get this error while trying to run a python script that uses postgis: http://pastebin.com/FWn3HQ6e any ideas?
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15:45<babilen>StyXman: If you run sid you definitely want #debian-next and not #debian (see /topic) -- And please do us the favour to not use pastebin.com .. there are many better pastebins such as http://paste.debian.net
15:46<babilen>StyXman: Looks as if /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/lib/postgis-1.5.so has been linked against the wrongly against the libc6 version -- Please check on http://bugs.debian.org and/or file a bug.
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15:49<Dixie>i booted in uefi mode and some guide tells me to make a 1mo bios boot partition, is it legit ? source : http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi
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15:49<StyXman>babilen: noted
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15:51<Dixie>help ?
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15:54<babilen>Dixie: Are you installing debian right now?
15:54<Dixie>babilen, yes
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15:54<babilen>Dixie: Which version?
15:54<Dixie>wheezy
15:54<Dixie>this week's version
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15:56<babilen>Dixie: Please don't use a weeklie, but one of the released images. In particular I would recommend to use an image with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) if you are connected to the internet, but you can use another image and provide firmware on a USB stick (see "/msg dpkg installer firmware")
15:56<Dixie>babilen, the efi firmware is loaded
15:57<Dixie>So i don't see what's the problem here..
15:57<babilen>Dixie: I am not referring to efi firmware (whatever you mean by that)
15:58<babilen>Dixie: But to answer your question: Yes, that guide is legit, but AFAIK pretty old. I would recommend to simply choose guided partitioning and then customise the choices or write down the EFI specific partitioning scheme. You need a efi system partition and another one ...
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15:59<babilen>s/another one/bios boot partition/
15:59<DarkEra>Dixie a weekly built is Jessie (testing) not Wheezy (stable) afaik
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15:59<babilen>yes, just don't use a weeklie. It is the wrong choice either way.
16:00<Dixie>DarkEra, yeah my bad its a jessy
16:00<Dixie>uh
16:00<Dixie>wait
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16:00<Dixie>no, it's a wheezy, so its last week build i guess...
16:00<Dixie>ill just change the sources.list later
16:00<babilen>Dixie: Please use a wheezy installer (7.0.0) - The weeklies are not supported nor expected to work.
16:01<babilen>In particular if you want to run wheezy anyway :)
16:01<babilen>Dixie: Are you installing from a CD or from USB?
16:01<Dixie>babilen, usb..
16:01<babilen>Dixie: How did you copy the image to the USB?
16:02<Dixie>w32diskimager
16:02<Dixie>as adviced by dpkg
16:02<Dixie>advised*
16:02<Dixie>which means that my usb key is now corrupted and that ill have to use another one...
16:03<Dixie>babilen, i wanted to install debian testing, not debian stable
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16:04<babilen>Dixie: either way I'd recommend to use the wheezy installer, but pray continue. You need two partitions (bios boot partition and efi system partition) -- I'd just use the guided partitioning to configure those and customise the rest. (it chooses pretty suboptimal sizes for the other partitions)
16:04<Dixie>babilen, the guided partition only made one efiboot partition
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16:05<Dixie>babilen, so its better to install stable then switch to testing using sources.list ?
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16:06<drali_>Hi, was anyone here able to install Teamviewer on Debian wheezy? I'm having trouble with it for a couple of days...
16:06<Dixie>babilen, and should i take a live cd or just the usual debian 7 cd1 iso ?
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16:09<babilen>I'd recommend a "normal" (i.e. non-live) installer and the one with firmware at that. (if you have a working internet connection)
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16:21<utzz0>hi, i'm getting a version mismatch with alsa. version 1.0.25+3 is installed, but cat /proc/asound/version reports 1.0.24. consequently alsa isn't working. any ideas how i could fix this?
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16:22<towo`>utzz0, that is not the reason that alsa is not working
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16:23<towo`>/proc/asound/version is the driver, which is shipped with the kernel
16:23<utzz0>towo that may well be, but what is it then? was working before pulling updates today
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16:23<towo`>alsa userspace works in a higher version even if the driver is an older version
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16:24<towo`>utzz0, "does not work" sayes nothing
16:24<utzz0>towo it's spitting ALSA lib pcm_ioplug.c:920:(snd_pcm_ioplug_create) ioplug: Plugin version mismatch and similar errors at me
16:24<towo`>utzz0, cat /proc/asound/cards sayes what?
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16:25<utzz0>towo 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
16:25<utzz0> HDA Intel at 0xee240000 irq 45
16:25<utzz0>29 [ThinkPadEC ]: ThinkPad EC - ThinkPad Console Audio Control
16:25<utzz0> ThinkPad Console Audio Control at EC reg 0x30, fw 79HT43WW-1.02
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16:25<utzz0>sry
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16:28<mi7>hi there !
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16:30<n0r4d>hello all
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16:32<n0r4d>i'm running debian wheezy, during boot i can see a few lines, but then, after the 'fully populated.........' stuff the screen goes black and nothing happens. Any clue !?
16:34<musca>n0r4d: is an Ati radeon graphics involved?
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16:34<n0r4d>musca: it is a geforce gt 650 M, 2 gb
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16:37<musca>n0r4d: is it a fresh install of wheezy?
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16:38<musca>n0r4d: did you see this "black screen" right from the beginning?
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16:39<n0r4d>well, it was a fresh debian testing install, and yesterday i moved to stable, but the problem was already while running testing
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16:40<n0r4d>musca: i can see a few lines, 3 or 4, and then it gets black
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16:40<CrAcKeR0101>Hi
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16:44<musca>n0r4d: but ... how are you able to "move to stable" when it doesn't boot and you don't see anything but black screen??
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16:50<retrospectacus>"move to stable" (from testing) is generally not recommended/supported/possible... just reinstall stable
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16:51<n0r4d>musca: well, till a few days ago resetting the machine was able to solve the issue, but since i'm running stable the problem is always there, also after rebooting the system
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17:06<xylon>Considering the recent trend of software getting worse over time, I think we should replace backports with forwardports
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17:09<xylon>well I've still got about a year before I have to downgrade
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17:10<xylon>I'd better enjoy gnome 2 while it lasts
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17:11<retrospectacus>I imagine you could use <ssb> to produce a "forwardport"
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17:15<retrospectacus>xylon: I switched to xfce upon moving to wheezy. it's similar to gnome2
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17:16<xylon>retrospectacus, yes, I tried it, I prefered it to GNOME 3 and KDE, but it doesn't support dual monitors as well as gnome2 and it doesn't automatically connect to my broadband at startup, even when I configure networkmanager to do so
17:16<xylon>so I'm still upset
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17:17<retrospectacus>I have no problem with dual monitors
17:17<xylon>I have Wheezy dual booted with my trusty Squeeze system
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17:20<xylon>My second monitor comes up blurry 50% of the time. Adjusting the refresh rate fixes it (it doesn't matter what the refresh rate is I just have to change it and it un-blurs). Also when I un-plug my extra monitor from my netbook it gets messed up.
17:21<stderr>I got one dual-monitor problem with XFCE on Wheezy. When I got two monitors connected, the menu-bar is on one of the screens (like I want it to be), but when I disconnect the other monitor, it seems like the menu-bar is extended to the full width of the dual setup, but since only one monitor is connected, I can only see half my menu bar.
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17:21<CrAcKeR0101>HI
17:21<retrospectacus>CrAcKeR0101: hi again
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17:22<stderr>I can solve that problem by running xrandr to turn off the second display, but then I have to turn it back on again when I re-connect it. Any ideas for a better solution?
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17:26<n0r4d>i think gnome 3 is awful, what can i do ?
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17:26<stderr>Use something else?
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17:27<xylon>For me GNOME 2 works better than GNOME 3 or KDE or XFCE
17:27<n0r4d>stderr: what do you suggest ?
17:28<stderr>As I said a few minutes ago, I use xfce.
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17:28<xylon>XFCE is almost as good as GNOME 2 IMO
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17:28<retrospectacus>+1
17:29<xylon>but it doesn't work well with dual monitors or mobile broadband so I'm still doomed
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17:29<witth>Hey guys I have a networking issue. I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it.
17:29<stderr>xylon: Have you tried e.g. wpasupplicant instead of networkmanager?
17:30<n0r4d>i'm running debian wheezy, during boot i can see a few lines, but then, after the 'fully populated.........' stuff the screen goes black and nothing happens. Any clue !?
17:30<retrospectacus>witth: go on
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17:30<n0r4d>it happens even in safe mode !!
17:30<witth>I just erased squeeze from my headless media server, which I have been running for a few years so I had installed and removed all kinds of applications
17:31<witth>I upgraded to wheezy
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17:31<xylon>stderr, I guess I'll have to hack my way to victory
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17:32<witth>I wanted to do a clean install and set everything up again. So I transferred my 12TB of media over scp gigabit to another computer on another subnet
17:32<stderr>xylon: wpasupplicant isn't that much hacking...
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17:32<xylon>stderr, I don't think wpasupplicant supports mobile broadband dongles...
17:32<witth>In scp, the transfer speeds averaged 90-100 MB/s. Now in squeeze, they are about half that
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17:33<witth>sorry, wheezy
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17:33<desinfect>i will fuck a mare
17:33<retrospectacus>!ops desinfect
17:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: retrospectacus complains about: desinfect
17:33<xylon>stderr, and what complicated things is that the dongle pretends to be a windows driver cd when I plug it in
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17:33<witth>The only things different with the media files is that they are in mhddfs instead of an lvm
17:34<stderr>xylon: usb-modeswitch should help with the "I'm a CD... No, I'm a modem"-problem.
17:34<witth>Here is a stranger occurence (at least to me), if I open up multiple scp streams I can still max out the connection at 100+ MB/s
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17:35<witth>(each scp stream ~ 35-37 MB/s)
17:35<witth>3 of them. And two will hover around 90-100 MB/s (45 or so MB/s)
17:35<stderr>xylon: But I haven't really tried it myself as I don't have a dongle myself and one of my friends won't let me borrow his because he thought I might break it. :-/
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17:36<x0auser>hi everybody, stupid question, i have skype time advanced with two hours. can i resolve it ?
17:36<witth>I have no idea where the problem is. It seems like the connection is being slowed on a software level
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17:38<xylon>stderr, thanks
17:38<stderr>witth: Does ifconfig report any transmission errors?
17:38<witth>no
17:38<stderr>Weird MTU?
17:39<witth>and for shits sake I plugged in the other network card and it is a tad slower than the integrated one
17:39<retrospectacus>witth: maybe the mhddfs driver. Can you see it in "top" using up your cpu(s)?
17:39<witth>1705 root 20 0 109m 980 412 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.90 mhddfs
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17:41<retrospectacus>witth: the atop program gives a good idea of where your resource shortage may be
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17:43<witth>ok I'll try it. I wonder if I wasn't using swap before?
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17:44<retrospectacus>are you short on memory?
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17:45<witth>no I have 8GB and pretty much all it does is transfer files
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17:46<witth>I think I vaguely remember taking out swap on my squeeze a long time ago since my OS drive is pata 133
17:47<witth>retro I have atop running, do you know what I should be looking for?
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17:49<retrospectacus>witth: in the top section, anything appearing in red
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17:52<witth>no red...
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17:54<retrospectacus>or anything in the lower section eating all your cpu
17:54<retrospectacus>you can see your network usage percent in the upper part too
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17:56<retrospectacus>it could also be bottlenecking on the sender of course, or the switch/router
17:57<witth>well thats true but I literally did the same transfer 2 days ago
17:57<witth>maybe I should reset my switch just in case it is doing something
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18:10<witth>Hey is anyone still here that was trying to help me figure out this network issue?
18:11<retrospectacus>that was me, and stderr I think
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18:12<witth>I reset the switch and router
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18:13<witth>the transfer is still hovering around 54MB/s. I am transferring the file from the hard drive mount point too this time. Not through the mhddfs pool and it's the same slowness
18:14<stderr>Same MTU on both machines?
18:15<witth>yes. even same machines I am comparing
18:16<witth>I got ~100 MB/s doing the same transfer 3 days ago only on squeeze and with hard drives set up as LVM (and one wasn't and that worked the same 100MB/s speed too)
18:16<muskel>54mb/sec is ok for gigabit. what router do you have ? have you upgraded its firmware `?
18:17<witth>yes it's ASUS RT-N56U with the newest custom firmware. Yeah it's not awful but considering I got double that doing the exact same thing
18:17<retrospectacus>you could try a direct ethernet connection (static IPs) bypassing the switch/router, or just pull the drive(s) and connect them all to the same pc and see if that's faster... might be hard/impossible with mhddfs (whatever that is) or lvm
18:18<stderr>mhddfs: "This FUSE-based file system allows mount points (or directories) to be combined,..."
18:18<witth>I'd like to get back to where I was yesterday. Again. Same hardware. Same drives. Same network. Different OS
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18:19<witth>~100MB/s vs ~50MB/s. But here is the thing I think would help some of you smarter people figure out what is going on
18:19<witth>I can make it go to ~100MB/s by running multiple scp sessions
18:20<stderr>Did you run atop on both the source and the destination machine?
18:21<muskel>im guessing its the router....debian 7.0 has a newer version of samba. try to transfer without router- make a crossover cable or use a switch and static ips.
18:21<witth>the destination is a hackintosh. But it is exactly identical as to when I was doing the transfer before
18:21<witth>scp goes over samba?
18:21<stderr>Samba?
18:21<retrospectacus>either machine's FS or ethernet driver might have worse read vs. write performance
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18:21<witth>I'm guessing it is some settting in the software
18:22<muskel>ah you use scp..ok
18:22<muskel>but try without router
18:22<witth>but I can still get the same speeds if I run 2 or 3 scp from different ssh sessions
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18:23<NegraCardio>hey!
18:23<NegraCardio>running wheezy. trying to get secondary USB mic to loopback into the headphone jack.
18:23<NegraCardio>anyone?
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18:23<witth>2 or 3 different scp -r /files remote:/dest will net a speed of over 100MB/s
18:23<witth>still
18:24<stderr>witth: How about something like dd if=/dev/zero bs=256M count=1 | ssh login@otherbox dd of=/dev/zero to see if the problem is scp/ssh, network or filesystem related?
18:25<witth>a single scp session peaks at 55MB/s or so. Same situation a couple days ago, 90-100MB/s
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18:25<muskel>+1 for stderr suggestion. also remove router, maybe the firmware has some bug that effects the network with debian
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18:28<witth>ok lets see. muskel if it is the router then it happened at some point between squeeze and wheezy bc it worked fine the other day
18:29<NegraCardio>anyone available to help?
18:29<witth>1+0 records in
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18:29<witth>268435456 bytes (268 MB) copied, 7.3971 s, 36.3 MB/s
18:29<witth>524288+0 records in
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18:29<witth>268435456 bytes transferred in 4.841488 secs (55444827 bytes/sec)
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18:29<mtn>!ask
18:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:30<stderr>mtn: He did. USB mic to headphone jack...
18:30<haylo>actually he has been asking for three days
18:31<NegraCardio>and nobody's had a solution, or so much as talked to me
18:31<haylo>in addition to a few moments ago as stderr pointed out
18:31<NegraCardio>all I get is the !ask thing
18:31<mtn>so I see
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18:31<mtn>though there isn't any info on what he has tried, issues, etc.
18:32<stderr>NegraCardio: I don't have a USB mic, so I can't help you.
18:32<retrospectacus>if nobody answers, nobody knows. putting forth more research and detail might help
18:32<stderr>witth: The dd seems to indicate a network or ssh problem.
18:32<NegraCardio>I have Pulse and Alsa. there's a setting in Alsa that lets me loopback into the speakers by using the mic as an input for the visualized sound card, but it refuses to let me decide which mic to use
18:33<witth>now I am running two scp sessions at 44MB/s each for 88MB/s total.
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18:33<stderr>witth: You could try a dd if=some-file of=/dev/zero on the source and a dd if=/dev/zero of=some-file on the destination to check for filesystem problems. I don't think you'll find any.
18:34<muskel>witth, what network card do you have ?
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18:35<grevan>is it possible to get apt-get or aptitude to upgrade all packages, but skip one and any dependencies it might have?
18:35<grevan>I have tried to aptitude hold the package (no luck)
18:35<grevan>and messed around with aptitude full-upgrade package= (but that just does nothing)
18:35<haylo>NegraCardio: maybe look into making an "asoundrc" file, to control your audio devices.
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18:36<haylo>i have made them for multiple soundcards, but never for input devies, so i am not really sure if that applies.
18:36<witth>I tried two. The integrated NVIDIA MCP61 which I know for a fact worked before, and the RTL8169. Which was slower that the integrated when I just tried it but I don't know if it ever went over 90MB/s because I didn't use it. The integrated one did. For a fact.
18:37<NegraCardio>I read in a few wikies that I should write a partictular thing to a file called a.sound.conf or something, but it doesn't exist.
18:37<stderr>Create it.
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18:38<NegraCardio>I have no idea how...
18:38<stderr>$EDITOR a.sound.conf (or whatever the name of the file should be)
18:39<haylo>NegraCardio: exactly. it can be called asound.conf or .asoundrc
18:39<haylo>several permeatations of where the defaults are stored
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18:39<detrout>NegraCardio: you might want to look at alsaloop command. It claims to be able to loop between an input & output device.
18:39<muskel>grevan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
18:40<NegraCardio>most of what I read said asound.conf. then all I'd need to do is alter an index to set the USB mic to number 0
18:40<haylo>NegraCardio: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Main_Page
18:41<haylo>usually people use the output of "aplay -l" to make their asound file.
18:41<stderr>witth: Did you try the two other dd commands I suggested? Just to rule out filesystem problems.
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18:42<witth>You know what I did that I didn't ever do before, was install some package called firmware-debian and firmware-realtek
18:43<grevan>muskel, thanks but that doesn't address my problem. aptitude forbid-version is what I wanted (just found it)
18:43<haylo>NegraCardio: and here i an example of me making an asoundrc file for my old ati machine to control which soundcard was the default. its a different scenario, but hopefully you can extrapolate something from it http://www.csit.parkland.edu/~cgraff1/Linux_Walkthroughs/linux_sound_guide
18:43<NegraCardio>thanks so much!
18:45<NegraCardio>think I should just totally wipe out Pulse? it's doing me absolutly no good, and I feel like it's actually conflicting with Alsa
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18:45<lupine>pulse++
18:46<detrout>NegraCardio: if you're using a desktop environment like gnome or kde you probably want to use pulse, if you're just doing things manually you may want to just use alsa
18:46<NegraCardio>I'm on XFCE laptop
18:47<detrout>No idea then.
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18:47<detrout>gotta run, good luck.
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18:49<witth>I didn't try that yet
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18:51<haylo>NegraCardio: they can conflict, but im not sure thats causing your issue. If you want to try not having pulse, i recommend a base install + xorg and just not install it. instead of removing or purging it from your current system.
18:52<NegraCardio>alright. was just wondering what you guys thought. I think I'll hold onto it. will be looking up the alsaloop thing though
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19:14<witth>stderr the fs is at 177MB/s for a 10G file
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19:16<stderr>witth: That's for reading on the source? How about writing on the destination? I.e. dd if=/dev/zero bs=256M count=1 of=whatever
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19:19<witth>hmm… you may be on to something? looks like it's only 68.8 bytes/sec
19:20<witth>Mbytes
19:20<witth>dd if=/dev/zero bs=256m count=1 of=/Volumes/Media2/test/test
19:20<witth>1+0 records in
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19:20<witth>268435456 bytes transferred in 3.901500 secs (68803137 bytes/sec)
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19:21<stderr>It's still faster than the dd if=/dev/zero | ssh dd of=/dev/zero. Seems you got two problems. :-/
19:22<witth>what I don't get is that it worked before
19:22<stderr>Personally I would use LVM over a FUSE-filesystem.
19:23<stderr>Especially a FUSE-filesystem I haven't heard of before today.
19:24<witth>I was trying to set it up with snapraid to have a backup of my files.
19:25<witth>I used to have LVM and if one drive crashed I lost them all
19:26<stderr>That depends on how you configure LVM.
19:28<witth>yeah I suppose but with mhddfs it is fairly simple, I can use something like snapraid to keep backups, and the original reason I was looking into it is because I didn't have anywhere to put 15TB while I set them up
19:28<witth>mhddfs lets you use drives that are full
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19:58<DennisTheTiger>Hi! RUnning Wheezy with an update pending today. The 'hibernate' function does not seem to hibernate correctly: if I use it, it dumps the sleep file somewhere (probably my swap, /dev/sda3), but when I restore from hibernate, it is either not found on /dev/sda3, or it is bypassed entirely. What should I look for?
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20:03<nory>hi room
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20:06<nory>hi daniel0
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20:07<ardex>anyone know if chromium-browser will be updated or back-ported? Version 7 of chrome is out
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20:40<droner>Hi
20:40<droner>Can anyone help me?
20:41<f8l>droner: Hello. Just state your question. ;-)
20:41<droner>Thank you!
20:42<droner>Well I just upgraded to wheezy but it does not recognize neither my sound card nor my wireless card
20:42<droner>Ralink, drivers should be rt3290sta for the wireless canrd
20:42<droner>card*
20:43<droner>When I do ifconfig it only shows me the ethernet and loopback options
20:43<droner>not my ra0 as it was supposed to like in squeeze
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20:44<f8l>droner: I'd try to run `ifup ra0` and then `ifconfig` again, or consult the interfaces file.
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20:44<droner>Okay, lemme try the ifup
20:45<droner>Ignoring unknown interface ra0=ra0
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20:47<nevyn>droner: sure it's not wlan0 or just another eth these days?
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20:48<droner>No idea. It was ra0 in squeeze as the WNIC is Ralink
20:48<droner>But let me check the net interfaces
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20:49<f8l>droner: Is your card listed in `iwconfig`
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20:49<droner>No is not
20:50<droner>Only lo & eth
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20:51<f8l>droner: I'd scan `dmesg` for useful output.
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20:51<droner>Okay
20:51<carlos>Few
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20:52<carlos>carlos
20:52<f8l>droner: I have to go to sleep now, as it is almost 3am here. Good night and good luck!
20:52<droner>Thank you
20:52<droner>Good nights
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20:54<droner>[ 1158.280593] rt3290sta: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
20:54<droner>[ 1171.641694] rt3290sta: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
20:54<droner>That's what I get with dmesg
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20:55<droner>Any ideas?
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20:58<overo>droner: can you put the outputs of these on paste.debian.net
20:58<droner>Okay
20:58<overo>droner: ifconfig -a;iwconfig; dmesg; uname -a; lspci -nn
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20:59<droner>Ok
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21:01<droner>overo: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ece1c37b/
21:01<droner>There
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21:04<somiaj>droner: do you still need the stanging driver, sounds like you have a module compiled for a different kernel
21:04<droner>No idea
21:04<somiaj>droner: my guess is by wheezy you shouldn't need a stanging driver anymore, what is your actual ralink chipset?
21:05<droner>I used the driver that used to use in Ubuntu
21:05<droner>But I don't know what my chipset is
21:05<somiaj>that was not what I asked, lspci, what is the actual chipset of your card
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21:05<overo>judd pciid 1814:3290
21:05<judd>[1814:3290] is 'RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'rt2800pci' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3290 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci
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21:06<droner>rt3290sta
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21:06<overo>droner: rt3290sta is not working as per dmesg
21:06<overo>!rt3290
21:06<dpkg>The Ralink RT3290 is a PCIe 802.11n and Bluetooth 3.0 + HS device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 1814:3290) is experimentally supported by <rt2800pci> since Linux 3.6, support enabled in Debian Linux kernels since linux 3.7.1-1~experimental.1. Firmware from userspace is required and packaged as of firmware-ralink 0.37.
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21:07<somiaj>,kernels
21:07<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-2-686-pae (3.8.13-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3)
21:07<somiaj>yea looks like for proper support for that card you will need to get a backported kernel. Seems one hasn't been made yet
21:07<droner>So, should I install the rt2800pci driver?
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21:08<DennisTheTiger>droner, it may not work if you do.
21:08<droner>Damn! What a bad luck
21:08<somiaj>the wheezy 3.2 kernel will not work, you need a 3.7 (or newer kernel)
21:08<overo>droner: you would need a new kernel and new firmware-ralink
21:08<somiaj>eventally there will be one in wheezy backports
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21:08<droner>Its Ok if I install the 3.7 kernel? Or would I face some issues?
21:09<somiaj>the 'sta' means stanging driver, they sometimes work/sometimes don't. Not sure why it is not working, but seems you need to get a newer kernel.
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21:09<droner>Ok, how do I do that. Get the newer kernel I mean
21:09<chips>hi
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21:10<somiaj>droner: the best way would be use wheezy-backports. Since that is not availaibe you could compile your own kernel.
21:10<droner>Sounds very difficult for me, I am not very skilled
21:11<somiaj>droner: this method (could be dangerous) is it appears the sid kernel meets it's depends in wheezy, so you could get away with installing just the kernel from sid.
21:11<droner>Okay I can try that
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21:12<droner>Thank you very much btw
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21:13<somiaj>looks like you need initramfs-tools from sid too
21:13<droner>Oh, what about the sound issue. How could I fix that?
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21:13<somiaj>droner: again this may not work and under normal conditions you should not use this method
21:13<droner>I think I will leave the WNIC in peace, I'll better wait till wheezy come up with a driver for it
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21:14<somiaj>droner: but packages.debian.org and download the 3.8 kernel, the firmware-nonfree-ralink and initramfs-tools packages
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21:14<overo>droner: I would first attemt at reinstalling the staging driver you have
21:14<droner>Already tried
21:14<somiaj>droner: yea all of these packages should make it to wheezy backports. I have no clue ont he time line. It is best you compile them yourself, but in this rare case I think you can get away with the sid packages if you want to.
21:14<droner>But didn't work at all
21:15<somiaj>once they get in wheezy-backports it will be easy to install
21:15<overo>droner: ah,ok
21:15<droner>Hope they don't take too long
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21:16<somiaj>droner: how did you compile the staging driver (Where did you get it from)
21:16<somiaj>it appears you are just compling it against the wrong kernel
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21:16<droner>Followed this instructions:
21:16<droner>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2104690
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21:17<droner>It worked perfectly in squeeze
21:17<DennisTheTiger>erm...
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21:17<wardhan>hi all. there is only 1 link showing google for this error: rtl8723ae 0000:02:00.0: firmware: agent aborted loading rtlwifi/rtl8723fw_B.bin (not found?). can somebody please provide me direction.
21:18<droner>Ralink too (?
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21:18<somiaj>droner: give me the output of 'dpkg -l | grep linux-headers' and 'uname -a' at paste.debian.net
21:18<droner>okay
21:18<somiaj>wardhan: do you have the firmware-ralink package installed?
21:19<wardhan>somiaj: no, i have compiled using kernel 3.8.13.
21:19<droner>No output with this command somiaj: 'dpkg -l | grep linux-headers'
21:19<somiaj>wardhan: it still appears you are missing the firmware
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21:20<somiaj>droner: that is your problem, no headers to compile against
21:20<DennisTheTiger>Hi! RUnning Wheezy with an update pending today. The 'hibernate' function does not seem to hibernate correctly: if I use it, it dumps the sleep file somewhere (probably my swap, /dev/sda3), but when I restore from hibernate, it is either not found on /dev/sda3, or it is bypassed entirely. What should I look for?
21:20<somiaj>droner: what does uname -a give (What kernel are you running)
21:20<gsimmons>dpkg: tell wardhan -about linux-firmware
21:20<droner>Linux Ignacio 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
21:20<droner>3.2
21:20<somiaj>wardhan: I am unsure what you have to do with firmware with custom compiled kernels, but you need the firmware for that card in /lib/firmware. You could just try to install the ralink firmware package and see if ti works.
21:20<mjrosenb>morning, everyone. I'm trying to set up cups to print to an hp6500a. hp-check complains that cups is not installed/running, when cupsd is running. Any suggestions?
21:21<somiaj>droner: install the package linux-headers-3.2-4-amd64 (to match your kernel)
21:21<droner>somiaj, When I try #apt-get install linux-headers. Its says "E: Package 'linux-headers' has no installation candidate"
21:21<somiaj>droner: then follow the instructions to build that staging module again.
21:21<wardhan>somiaj: thank you.
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21:23<somiaj>droner: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 (that package)
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21:23<somiaj>droner: you need the full output 'apt-get install linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64'
21:23<droner>somiaj, I have 14 candidates to install but only 3 that match my kernel.
21:23<droner>I will show you the output
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21:25<themill>(do install linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 at some stage so that you've always got the latest image and headers installed)
21:25<Ignacio>somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8e21eb32/
21:25<somiaj>Ignacio: I already told you multiple times the actual package name. you have failed to type it in
21:26<Ignacio>Ups, sorry
21:26<somiaj>Ignacio: it is linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 (and also please notes themill's comment)
21:26<somiaj>Ignacio: apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64
21:27<Ignacio>Yes, I am on it
21:27<Ignacio>Thank you very much guys, you are very kind people
21:27<somiaj>after that refollow the instructions to compile the staging driver
21:27<Ignacio>Installing [...]
21:27<somiaj>then it should hopefully work
21:27<Ignacio>Okay, I will
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21:33<Ignacio>Good is compiling =)
21:34<mjrosenb>nobody has experience with cups/hplip?
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21:37<onitaL>what about it?
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21:38<onitaL>mjrosenb, if you go to http://localhost:631 what happens?
21:40<mjrosenb>onitaL: different machine, but I get the standard page.
21:40<onitaL>if you go to printers, is the printer idle?
21:41<mjrosenb>onitaL: I've tried to add the printer there, but when I try to print anything, I get some errors in /var/log/cupsd/error_log
21:41<onitaL>have you read that log?
21:41<mjrosenb>State: stopped
21:41<mjrosenb>"/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"
21:41<mjrosenb>onitaL: yes, inscrutable errors from the internals of hplip
21:42<onitaL>what foomatic packages do you have installed? I have foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-gutenprint foomatic-filters
21:43<mjrosenb>onitaL: how do I list them, dpkg -l foomatic?
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21:43<onitaL>dpkg -l |grep foomatic
21:43<dpkg>No packages found matching |grep foomatic
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21:43<mjrosenb>foomatic-filters foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-compressed-ppds
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21:44<mjrosenb>how do I have db-engine but not db?
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21:44<onitaL> apt-get install -f
21:44<mjrosenb>anyhow, I'd expect that hplip would provide those?
21:44<mjrosenb>onitaL: didn't do anything.
21:45<onitaL>which one are you missing? foomatic-db ?
21:45<mjrosenb>onitaL: i'm just going to manually install foomatic-db.. it can't hurt, right?
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21:46<onitaL>Im trying to remember a command, ghold on
21:47<onitaL>go for it
21:47<Ignacio>I don't think my WNIC is gonna work yet, too many errors with the compilation :(
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21:48<mjrosenb>onitaL: https://gist.github.com/5640786 -- that is the error_log for the latest attempt to print a page.
21:49<mjrosenb>with log_level debug
21:49<onitaL>are you running X?
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21:50<mjrosenb>onitaL: no.
21:51<Ignacio>somiaj, there are no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf in mi OS, its Ok if I create it?
21:51<mjrosenb>this machine doesn't have a graphics card or anything similar.
21:51<onitaL>ok, hmm /etc/init.d/cups restart
21:52<onitaL>if that still won't help, try another driver
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21:53<somiaj>Ignacio: correct, though you can call it rt2800.blacklist.conf if you like
21:53<Ignacio>Okay, done
21:53<somiaj>Ignacio: the name is not important, just that it is in teh directory, so name it something discriptiave
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21:53<onitaL>mjrosenb, have you been to http://www.openprinting.org/printers ?
21:53<Ignacio>Great, didn't know that
21:53<Ignacio>Gotta reboot now to see if works
21:53<Ignacio>brb
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21:55<mjrosenb>Color inkjet printer, works Perfectly
21:56<mjrosenb>Works perfectly with hplip and the hp toolbox - printing, duplex, scanning, faxing work and even the wireless setup works - you have to connect the printer via usb to your box and run hp-setup as root.
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21:58<Ignacio>somiaj It worked!!
21:58<Ignacio>I have to thank you again. Thank you very very very very very much!
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22:00<mjrosenb>onitaL: https://gist.github.com/5640822 :(
22:00<mjrosenb>onitaL: do how do I select a new driver for it?
22:01<onitaL>with the web interface
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22:02<onitaL>I'd power reset the printer, delete it from cups, and choose whatever driver linuxprinting,org suggest
22:02<onitaL>or the next better driver
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22:04<mjrosenb>Unable to modify printer: Unauthorized...
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22:05<mjrosenb>well, that was a horribly unintuitive interface.
22:05<onitaL>https://whatever:631
22:05<onitaL>then hold on
22:05<onitaL>https://whatever:631/admin
22:05<mjrosenb>yeah, got it.
22:06<onitaL>and root into it
22:06<mjrosenb>https://gist.github.com/5640836 .. why does it appear that everything is duplicated?
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22:06<onitaL>I'd delete all
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22:24<bnft>Hello
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22:33<wardhan>hi all. i am unable to use my wireless card eventhough modules are loaded. my lsmod: http://pastebin.com/i8xdDm5y
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22:34<wardhan>my dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/Qe2FPpAu
22:35<somiaj>wardhan: most likely you need to install non-free firmware
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22:36<gsimmons>wardhan: As explained previously, this firmware is not packaged. You're required to acquire these files (rtlwifi/rtl8723*) from the linux-firmware repository ; /msg dpkg linux-firmware
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22:53<genoskill>I have the following problem. An ext4 partition has 0 bytes of free space, I deleted some files but it is still with 0 bytes free (100% used). How can I free space on the disk then?
22:54<themill>dpkg: tell genoskill about cross-post
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22:58<bodhi32>YES
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22:58<overo>no.
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23:03<stderr>genoskill: Was the deleted files owned by root?
23:04<genoskill>stderr: no, why?
23:05<stderr>Part of the partition is reserved for root. If a normal user sees the partition as full, it doesn't help to delete some of the root-owned files.
23:07<genoskill>stderr: this partition i'm speaking is just to allocate documents etc. it's not part of the system. Does that still apply?
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23:08<somiaj>genoskill: You will have to give more details, like where is the partition mounted, the output of df before and after you delted a file and the file you deleted
23:08<somiaj>genoskill: also ls -lh the files you deleted so we can see their size
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23:09<stderr>genoskill: Yes, it applies to all ext* filesystems.
23:10<stderr>You can tune how much you want to reserve to root using tune2fs.
23:11<stderr>Was the file you deleted in use by some program?
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23:11<stderr>In that case, the free space ain't really free until after the program closes the file.
23:13<genoskill>stderr: It wasn't being used, and i also restarted the system.
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23:13<stderr>In that case I agree with somiaj. Let's see some df output.
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23:15<somiaj>it could be that something is constantnly writing to that partition, so when you delete stuff it just fills back up, but until we get some actual info about your system we are just guessing
23:16<genoskill>What kind of output would be useful? I don't know what df is for nor how to apply it in this case. I'll have to read for a moment
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23:18<stderr>genoskill: Something like df -k /path/to/mountpoint
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23:20<somiaj>genoskill: df lists the amount of space you have free, df = disk free
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23:24<genoskill>Am I right to assume that I should use /msg dpkg paste, to show you the output?
23:24<stderr>You would use that command to get some info about various paste-bin servers you can use.
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23:25<LtL>genoskill: paste to http://paste.debian.net
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23:29<genoskill>ok this is my partition in question http://paste.debian.net/6167/
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23:31<stderr>genoskill: See how the size (1K-blocks) and Used isn't the same number? The difference is space reserved for root.
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23:35<somiaj>genoskill: when you delete a file (do ls -lh /path/to/file first) or move it to another partition. run sync after you move or delete the file, recheck with df -h
23:35<somiaj>or -k
23:36<somiaj>genoskill: you could also as stderr suggested check the reserve block percent for root (default is 5% I belive) and change it if you don't need to reserve that much
23:37<stderr>To check if something is writing to the partition, you could use something like lsof +D /path/to/mountpoint
23:39<stderr>Anyway, I just noticed the time. I'm out...
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23:40<jhmsei>buenas noches tengo un problema con el driver de video en Debian 7
23:40<jhmsei>alguien me puede ayudar?
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23:48<genoskill>Ok, I moved a file of 250 MB to another partition, with mv, and this is the output of df -k : http://paste.debian.net/6168/
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23:50<genoskill>I think I should reduce the root reserves, what utility would you recommend me to do that?
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