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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-05-24

---Logopened Fri May 24 00:00:03 2013
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01:38<Poenikatu_>hello. I seem to remember that a long time ago someone wrote a program which would compare two text files in such a way that the output was displayed in 3 columns: the first column contained text unique to the first file. The second column contained text common to both files and the 3rd column contained text unique to the second file. Does anybody know what the program is called?
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01:42<Poenikatu_>Hello. I want to compare 2 files and find out what is unique to one of them? Am I limited to 'diff'?
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01:45<SamB>Poenikatu_: no, there's a lot of programs you could try; maybe kdiff3
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01:45<SamB>or diffuse or meld
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01:46<Poenikatu_>SamB: I seem to remember that someone wrote a unix utility which would output the differences in 3 columns: the second column would contain the text common to the two files, the 1st column what was unique to the 1st file and the 3rd column what was unique to the 2nd file. Heard of it?
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01:47<themill>comm
01:47<themill>oh, side-by-side -- sdiff or vimdiff
01:48<Poenikatu_>themill: Spot on, mate. Indeed that is the prog. I shall use it . TVM :-))
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02:21<norme>hi room
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02:31<Slydder>hey all. how could I find out what is being executed by a hotkey? every time I press and hold the left mouse button and then press a key nemo pops up with a directory that starts with the letter of the key I pressed. I cannot find where this is set and it is ruining my game play.
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02:52<DennisTheTiger>Hey, if I 'split' a .tar file, do I just 'cat' the split files back together if I need to restore?
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02:59<jm_>DennisTheTiger: yes
02:59<DennisTheTiger>Cool, thanks jm_
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03:06<jm_>DennisTheTiger: no worries
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03:46<jmmy>my speakers have a constant shhhhh noise going on?
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04:18<azagael>my linux shows pictograms in 16bit colors or something, does anyone know how to fix this?
04:18<azagael>im using wheezy
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04:19<stdhell>azagael: When? Where?
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04:21<k4z>Hello.
04:22<azagael>fixed it already
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04:32<azagael>can i put pictograms on my desktop, if yes then how?
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04:33<Calinou>pictograms?
04:34<azagael>excuse me, icons*
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04:35<Calinou>what DE do you use?
04:35<azagael>wheezy
04:35<Calinou>on any modern DE you should be able to do this ._.
04:35<Calinou>wheezy isn't a DE
04:35<Calinou>DE = desktop environment
04:35<Calinou>gnome, kde, xfce, lxde...
04:35<azagael>gnome
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04:41<azagael>Calinou: ?
04:41<TobiX>Calinou: Well, except GNOME, which removed that feature...
04:42<azagael>oh thats a pity
04:45<SynrG>not true
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04:46<SynrG>they removed it as a default, that's all
04:46<SynrG>gnome-tweak-tool
04:46<SynrG>Desktop -> Have file manager handle the desktop
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04:54<sven>what is the authoritative repo/source of debian's kernel config? http://kernel.alioth.debian.org/config/ is outdated
04:54<sven>ben hutchings, are you around here somewhere? :)
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04:56<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel has a link
04:58<sven>checking
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05:00<sven>looks good
05:00<sven>thanks, jm_
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05:00<jm_>sven: no worries
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05:03<SynrG>azagael: see my answer above.
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05:29<azagael>synrG: thank you
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05:30<SynrG>azagael: and though it's unsupported, i also use a "show/hide desktop" extension with that
05:31<azagael>whats the extionsion good for?
05:31<SynrG>azagael: this one, in particular: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/64/show-desktop-button/
05:32<SynrG>well, quick access to the desktop icons, since pressing the overview key will only show thumbnails of running applications, not the desktop
05:32<azagael>nice, thanks SynrG
05:32<SynrG>now, i don't know what the situation with extensions is right now, with gnome3 stable being ahead of wheezy ...
05:33<SynrG>you might need an older version of that than they offer (which might mean building your own)
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05:33<azagael>i have no idea how to build such a thing, gome3 is an operating system?
05:34<azagael>gnome3*
05:34<SynrG>gnome3 is a desktop environment
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05:34<azagael>does it run on wheezy?
05:34<azagael>or can it?*
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05:35<SynrG>it is what you are running now, presumably
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05:35<azagael>then how is gnome3 ahead of wheezy?
05:36<SynrG>because upstream releases new stable releases of gnome3 that are not in wheezy
05:36<SynrG>and the extensions for such are not backwards compatible with the gnome3 in wheezy
05:36<SynrG>wheezy has gnome 3.4
05:36<SynrG>stable upstream is 3.8, iirc
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05:37<azagael>i see, i have a lot to learn:)
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05:37<SynrG>if you visit extensions.gnome.org with gnome browser integration in your browser, the site will whine at you that your gnome version doesn't match
05:38<azagael>what exactly is gnome browser integration? iam using iceweasel
05:38<SynrG>that being said, there is a "compatible with" drop-down menu there.
05:39<SynrG>and if you say "current version" it should only show compatible extensions
05:39<SynrG>presumably a debian wheezy installation with gnome (the default desktop environment) automatically installs that for you.
05:40<azagael>i do not see the
05:40<azagael>'
05:40<azagael>''compatible with'' drop down menu, i just installed the extension though and it works
05:41<SynrG>great
05:41<azagael>oh nevermind, i see it
05:41<SynrG>yeah, on the top nav bar
05:41<SynrG>i need to stress again: 3rd party extensions are not supported ...
05:42<SynrG>if-and-when you have issues with your desktop environment, disable all extensions and re-test whatever issue you're having before seeking support here.
05:43<SynrG>(same goes for browser extensions not installed from the debian archive)
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06:27<Cheiseun>Since I upgraded to wheezy is there any reason to keep the 2.6 kernel on my system?
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06:29<babilen>not really, no
06:30<Cheiseun>for some reason linux-image-2.6-amd64 is marked manually installed and linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 are marked auto.
06:31<Cheiseun>and the dependancy chain suggests that the 3.2 kernel will be autoremoved if I remove 2.6
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06:33<jm_>you can always mark them as manually installed
06:34<SynrG>this makes sense because the metapackage naming scheme changed
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06:34<SynrG>so mark linux-image-amd64 as manually installed, then remove linux-image-2.6-amd64 which is transitional
06:34<Cheiseun>Okay I was a bit confused why it was like that
06:34<babilen>Cheiseun: I recommend to simply install the linux-image-amd64 package and remove the -2.6- one .. The fact that a -2.6- metapackage pulls in a 3.2 kernel is, well, suboptimal and simply due to ensure a smooth upgrade path
06:35<SynrG>in fact, if you look at linux-image-2.6-amd64 it now depends on the 3.2 kernel
06:35<SynrG>so that's quite a separate issue from removing the actual 2.6 kernel
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06:35<SynrG>as nothing should depend on that any longer
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06:37<Cheiseun>I think I get it.
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06:41<mi7>i'm running debian wheezy, diring the boot i can see a few lines, but then the screen goes black and nothing happens ! any clue ?
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06:44<SynrG>mi7: what graphics chipset?
06:44<mi7>SynrG, nvidia geforce gt 650 m
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06:45<babilen>mi7: Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree and xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed?
06:45<babilen>err
06:45<babilen>forget that
06:46<babilen>mi7: Do you use the proprietary nvidia driver for you card?
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06:46<mi7>no, i use Nouveau
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06:48<SynrG>650M is NVE7, and nouveau support for that is "Work in progress" according to http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames/
06:48<SynrG>i suspect you would be happier with the proprietary driver with this card
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06:49<mi7>well but till a few days ago everything worked right, with that driver
06:49<SynrG>what happened since a few days ago?
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06:50<SynrG>i mean, what happened since it worked last?
06:50<drAvanti>hello
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06:50<babilen>SynrG: .oO( Well, duh! It stopped working! ) -- /me runs
06:50<SynrG>har, har
06:51<SynrG>drAvanti: hello. do you have a debian support question?
06:51<babilen>mi7: Would trying the proprietary driver be an option? What changes to the platform did you perform before it started to behave the way it behaves now?
06:53<mi7>babilen, i suppose that the last upgrade screw up the os
06:53<SynrG>"the last upgrade" consisted of what? which packages were upgraded?
06:53<babilen>mi7: What did you upgrade? Could you paste relevant logs to http://paste.debian.net ? (e.g. /var/log/aptitude if you use that or /var/log/dpkg.log ...)
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06:54<mi7>guys, the point is that i cannot use the os anymore, now i'm running ubuntu
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06:54<babilen>mi7: Would trying the proprietary driver be an option?
06:54<babilen>mi7: So you no longer have Debian installed?
06:54<mi7>i have it installed, but it doesn't work
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06:55<babilen>mi7: You could chroot into the system or access it via SSH -- You should also be able to access the information I/we asked you about.
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06:55<babilen>mi7: Would trying the propriatary nvidia driver be an option? (seriously, just answer the question ... I don't want to keep on asking it for the next half an hour)
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06:56<mi7>babilen, Yes
06:57<babilen>mi7: Okay, then please chroot into the system and show us the logs in question. You can then try installing the nvidia driver and give that a try.
06:57<babilen>dpkg: tell mi7 -about nvidia dkms
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06:58<mjt>hello. After squeeze->wheezy upgrade, our samba server started rejecting win7 machines -- not all of them but just some, with the following message: "_netr_ServerAuthenticate3: netlogon_creds_server_check failed. Rejecting auth request from client XXX machine account XXX$". Google says something about this error but it is all about changing windows machine passwords, which does not happen in this case, instead, it is something to do with the server. Anyone have
06:58<jm_>mjt: your message was cut off after "server. Anyone have"
06:58<mjt>..an idea where to ask? :)
06:59<mjt>i tried in #samba but in years i was never able to get any answer in there
07:00<azagael>What is ''Sarge''?
07:01<SynrG>azagael: ancient version of debian. presumably you found this in an out-of-date source of documentation
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07:01<mi7>ok, i just need to learn about chroot before i can go on
07:01<SynrG>!tell azagael about sarge
07:01<azagael>SynrG: thanks
07:02<mi7>is there a combination of keys , able to take me in a terminal ?
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07:02<SynrG>mi7: no. you boot to another OS on the same system, mount the filesystem from there, chroot into it.
07:03<babilen>mi7: You can chroot into your Debian system with something like: Mount your Debian root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target)
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07:04<mi7>ok, wait
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07:05<jm_>alternatively perhaps using blacklist initramfs option might help
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07:08<k4z>After upgrading squezeze->wheezy i cant see logs in /var/log/messages, /var/log/mail.log, etc...
07:08<SynrG>what do you mean by "can't see"?
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07:09<TobiX>mi7: If you have a debian installer lieing around, you could use its rescue mode to chroot into your system.
07:09<k4z>SynrG: example from /var/log/messages: the last one: May 13 23:31:44 k exiting on signal 15
07:10<SynrG>k4z: dpkg -l rsyslog ... is that installed?
07:11<TobiX>mi7: You enable the installer rescue mode by specifying "rescue/enable=true" at the boot prompt
07:11<k4z>SynrG: nope... ;-) so thats the reason :) thank You
07:12<jm_>k4z: on several systems I noticed syslogd is removed during upgrade with no replacement installed
07:12<SynrG>k4z: well, there are alternative syslog daemons too
07:12<k4z>jm_: ok ;)
07:12<SynrG>sounds like a botched transition :p
07:12<babilen>k4z: Did you follow the release notes for the upgrade? Could you paste the script you created in the "Record the session" step to http://paste.debian.net ?
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07:13<gotwig>hello world =)
07:13<gotwig>The new release is wonderful
07:13<k4z>babilen: I didnt read.. i dont know what script you mean.. :P
07:13<SynrG>gotwig: glad to hear it. got any support issues?
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07:14<gotwig>SynrG, where can I find the developer channel?
07:14<gotwig>or packagers/developers channel
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07:14<SynrG>gotwig: what specific question do you have? we might be able to help
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07:15<gotwig>SynrG, well, I'd like to see which options Debian as platform for the elementary project can offer
07:15<gotwig>I myself develop for it, and I think it goes down the rain with Ubuntu. Debian has much more potential
07:15<babilen>k4z: So, how did *you* upgrade from squeeze to wheezy if you weren't following the official instructions?
07:15<babilen>dpkg: tell k4z -about release notes
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07:17<SynrG>gotwig: i'm not quite following you. can you be specific about the kind of thing debian might offer that you'd be interested in?
07:17<k4z>babilen: i changed sources.list "squeeze"->"wheezy" and did apt-get dist-upgrade ;-)
07:17<k4z>babilen: next time, i will read carefully ;)
07:18<gotwig>SynrG, do you know the elementary project? It offers applications and a whole desktop environment for Ubuntu, based on GTK, but with its own set of widgets (granite)
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07:18<TobiX>gotwig: Are you maybe looking for the Debian Derivatives Front Desk?
07:18<anon>hi
07:18<anon>hi
07:18<anon>hihihihihihihihi
07:18<babilen>k4z: Well, that is neither a supported nor a recommended way to upgrade.
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07:18<gotwig>TobiX, maybe... :D which channel is that?
07:18<babilen>anon: Play somewhere else please.
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07:19<Megaf>folks, the debootstrap tool, it will "make" a minimal debian setup, right?
07:19<k4z>babilen: ok, i will read how shoud i do it in a right way
07:19<babilen>dpkg: tell k4z -about squeeze->wheezy
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07:19<Megaf>I mean, it wont install many thing, like apache, ssh server
07:19<TobiX>gotwig: http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk and #debian-derivatives
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07:20<SynrG>Megaf: it will do that, yes. it is enough to bootstrap a system. it is a very barebones, base system, by default. see the doc for details.
07:20<k4z>babilen: thanks
07:20<SynrG>Megaf: is there a particular use case you're trying to address?
07:20<Megaf>SynrG, thanks again, you always giving great help, thanks :)
07:20<TobiX>Megaf: It isn't even bootable by itself (and shouldn't be)
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07:21<Megaf>TobiX, thanks, I know. ;)
07:21<SynrG>basically, it gives you a working chroot, nothing more.
07:21<Megaf>I'm trying to deploy a LXC container
07:21<Megaf>now I'm in the debootstrap part of the process
07:21<SynrG>Megaf: read about --variant in the man page
07:22<gotwig>TobiX, thank you
07:23<SynrG>unfortunately, the man page doesn't define what 'base' is
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07:25<Megaf>SynrG, heh, no problem, base is what you get with the netinstall cd image...
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07:26<SynrG>Megaf: well, that's not a definition
07:27<SynrG>(and in any case, netinst by default well at least select 'standard', which is something more than 'base')
07:27<TobiX>gotwig: Are the elementary applications forks of something or a completly new codebase?
07:27<SynrG>and also a 'base' for an install is not equivalent to a 'base' for a chroot.
07:27<SynrG>in a chroot you neither need a kernel nor bootloader
07:28<SynrG>so to say "it's what you get with the netinstall cd image" is not even accurate.
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07:28<gotwig>TobiX, fork of GNOME, but mostly standalone
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07:29<mi7>babilen, yes i chrootes debian ! now what ?
07:29<gotwig>more GTK than gnome :X and mutter lib's
07:29<SynrG>gotwig: so if i understand you correctly, you think elementary would be better based off of Debian than Ubuntu?
07:29<SynrG>and you want to evaluate what advantages there would be?
07:30<gotwig>SynrG, yes. Ubuntu starts to do dirty things
07:30<SynrG>gotwig: so i agree, talking to the derivatives frontdesk is the best place to start.
07:30<SynrG>gotwig: be specific about the particular problems you want to overcome.
07:30<azagael>can i get Xchat to save the chats that i have currently open? as in the next time i open Xchat it will show the conversations
07:30<SynrG>the more specific you can be, the better the quality of their answers.
07:30<gotwig>Advantages? More actual builds, our own cycles of releases
07:30<gotwig>more actual software
07:30<gotwig>rolling release
07:30<gotwig>SynrG, but no one replied. Do you like to join?
07:31<SynrG>gotwig: on irc? they have a mailing list ...
07:31<SynrG>gotwig: not all irc channels are particularly active. lurk a while and/or post to the list.
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07:37<ryanakca>What was the name of the service that let you download diffs of binary packages instead of the entire package? I'd rather not have to download all 1.1GB of texlive-* for a few minor changes, but don't really want to perpetually hold the package
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07:39<SynrG>ryanakca: maybe listed on http://wiki.debian.org/Services ?
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07:39<TobiX>ryanakca: Is there such a thing? I thought the delta-apt project went nowhere?
07:40<SynrG>ryanakca: or if not, then the debian.net page it links to
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07:40<TobiX>ryanakca: http://debdelta.debian.net/ maybe?
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07:47<babilen>mi7: Install the nvidia drivers
07:47<babilen>dpkg: tell mi7 -about nvidia dkms
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08:09<mi7>babilen, what you think about removing nuveaue, forcing the system to use the integrated GPU (core i7) ?
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08:11<Cheiseun>So I removed kernel 2.6. Now oddly this: http://paste.debian.net/6242
08:12<Cheiseun>not a problem, just more that I can't explain
08:13<ryanakca>TobiX: That was it, thanks
08:14<ryanakca>(debdelta.d.n)
08:14<jm_>Cheiseun: apt and aptitude have their own DB for markauto AFAIK, so try aptitude markauto instead
08:14<jm_>or was that for hold only?
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08:16<althaser>what's the package name that warns those packages having critial/serious bugs during the install ?
08:16<jm_>apt-listbugs
08:16<Cheiseun>jm_: oh, I didn't mark it as manual yet, I just typed apt-get autoremove out of curiosity, but nothing happened.
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08:17<althaser>thanks jm_
08:17<jm_>althaser: no worries
08:17<Cheiseun>despite it still being set to auto, autoremove doesn't try remove it
08:17<althaser>:)
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08:18<jm_>Cheiseun: you're right, the relevant commands were both apt, weird
08:18<TobiX>jm_: The "automatically installed" database was an aptitude-only feature a long time ago, as apt aquired that feature, they got merged
08:19<jm_>TobiX: right, so at least my suspicion that this was true for hold only (recently) was true, thanks :)
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08:22<laite>Hi, is it possible to use 'nonfree firmware net-installer' with no wired connection, with my wireless card that requires nonfree firmware?
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08:24<mrc>hello
08:24<jm_>!firmware images
08:24<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
08:24<jm_>laite: do you mean that ^^^^^^?
08:25<laite>jm_: yes, I used link: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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08:25<jm_>laite: ok then I don't understand your question - that's exactly what these images are for AFAIK
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08:26<laite>mainly my concern was that can installer configure wireless connection without downloading anything, but apparently that's just the idea :)
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08:29<Brando753>Hey guys, I need to make a rootfs tar from a fresh install of Debian Stable, I installed Debian stable, then booted from a live cd and ran the command "sudo tar -cvpzf debian.tar.gz --one-file-system /mnt/debianroot/" and it worked mostly but certain files like the sudoers and password shadow file did not successfully get added to the tarball, what is the correct way to do this using tar?
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08:31<jm_>tar should display an error if it can't read a file - did it?
08:32<mi7>in wheezy, how do i force the integrated graphics to work, in place of discrete graphics ?
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08:33<bluewater>dpkg: tell bluewater -about nvidia dkms
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08:33<Brando753>jm_: simply said it failed
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08:33<jm_>Brando753: surely that's not what any errno translates to, do you have exact error message?
08:34<Brando753>sadly no
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08:36<jm_>Brando753: than try to access the files manually, i.e. 'cat /mnt/debianroot/etc/sudoers /mnt/debianroot/etc/shadow"
08:36<jm_>then*
08:36<Brando753>I can do that, my concern is making sure all the files are properly archoved
08:36<Brando753>*archived
08:36<jm_>they are if tar reports no errors
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08:40<mi7>i'm running debian wheezy, diring the boot i can see a few lines, but then the screen goes black and nothing happens ! any clue ?
08:40<jm_>off now
08:40<Brando753>well thanks for the help jm_
08:40<jm_>I already said to try and blacklist nouveau driver with blacklist initramfs option or simply boot from some rescue/d-i medium and blacklist it manually
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08:42<mi7>jm: sorry, i didn't see your reply. How do i black list nouveau ? (i chrooted debian)
08:42<Guest6487>mi7: Did you install the nvidia driver?
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08:42<mi7>no, it seems to cumbersome
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08:43<mi7>Guest6487: it seems too complicated
08:44<babilen_>haha
08:44<babilen_>mi7: Okay, well ... then
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08:45<mi7>babilen_: morover i can't access the internet via chroot
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08:51<[UP]Crystal>Tried to build deb package for ATI driver downloaded from amd.com by this command "./amd-catalyst-13.4-linux-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/stable". Here is the log of this command -->> http://paste.debian.net/6255/
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08:51<[UP]Crystal>It's on Wheezy 64 bit.
08:51<[UP]Crystal>Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
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08:57<doubledutch>[UP]Crystal: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
08:57<[UP]Crystal>Ok, thanks
08:58<doubledutch>For sure, anything else, don't hesitate to
08:58<doubledutch>!ask
08:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:05<laite>is there some better documentation on installing amd proprietary than http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Wheezy
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09:06<n0r4d>hello !
09:06<n0r4d>\part
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09:07<doubledutch>laite: Probably something more dense, the Debian Wiki is often pretty terse. Google it, somebody's probably written a how-to or documented their process for about everything you want to do with ATI on Debian.
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09:11<doubledutch>laite: Found it http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#External_Links
09:11<SynrG>laite: more to the point is, what part of that documentation doesn't work for you? I read that to mean "for squeeze, do this; for wheezy, do the same, and by the way, at first it didn't work but it's fixed now."
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09:12<SynrG>i don't really see the need to turn to outside sources of help beyond that wiki page.
09:12<SynrG>obviously s/squeeze/wheezy/ in the squeeze instructions to make it wheezy-specific.
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09:13<SynrG>and while in fact, linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') will produce correct results on wheezy, linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') would be better.
09:13<doubledutch>SynrG: Anyway, if there's any WISH to turn to outside sources, the External_Links anchor is great... just like what I'd Google except Debian Recommended
09:13<laite>SynrG: ok, I don't have so much information on what has changed between versions, that I could've been sure that squeeze-part still works
09:13<laite>doubledutch: thanks for pointing that out
09:13<SynrG>i'm not updating that wiki page though because i would need to be able to verify all the steps and i can't.
09:14<SynrG>i encourage anyone who wants who can confirm the modified procedure (with my edits above) works to update the page themselves.
09:14<doubledutch>Sometimes when I'm learning something (I'm a nub), like AutoFS config, I'll open up 2 or 3 how-tos and follow them simultaneously to see slight differences/explanations.
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09:15<SynrG>doubledutch: i have no problem with referring people to outside sources of help, however, the wiki won't improve so long as people continue to avoid using the wiki and use outside sources instead.
09:15<SynrG>so ... catch-22
09:15<TobiX>Isn't installing linux-headers-amd64 enough?
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09:15<SynrG>and we can't be responsible for errors/omissions made by every outside source of help
09:15<SynrG>so it is not supportable in general
09:16<SynrG>TobiX: isn't that what i just said?
09:16<SynrG>TobiX: echo $(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
09:16<TobiX>SynrG: Sorry, my regex-parser isn't working today ;)
09:16<SynrG>:)
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09:17<SynrG>TobiX: and apparently so is cut-and-paste ;)
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09:19<TobiX>SynrG: Wouldn't it be nice if "uname -m" would be usable?
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09:20<SynrG>TobiX: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Tuples#Why_not_use_GNU_triplets.3F
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09:20<SynrG>same thing applies here
09:22<TobiX>SynrG: Ah, yes, I remember. Useless-GNU-names. Because i386-linux and i686-linux are sooo a differen platform. The ARM case is pretty pathetic, too...
09:23<SynrG>well, not useless. just "different"
09:24<SynrG>and ... hindsight is 20/20 :)
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09:25<[UP]Crystal>Is there any way turn off beep message on system shutdown?
09:28<[UP]Crystal>already uncommented "set bell-style none" in /etc/inputrc
09:28<[UP]Crystal>no effect
09:28<timmeyh>[UP]Crystal: try to change it in bios
09:28<timmeyh>system sounds or sth like that
09:29<SynrG>TobiX: incidentally, it's not even just that, but also what do you do with kernel flavours that aren't just the architecture name?
09:29<doubledutch>[UP]Crystal: http://blog.liw.fi/posts/beepless/
09:29<SynrG>TobiX: linux-headers-486 vs linux-headers-686, etc.
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09:30<[UP]Crystal>timmeyh: not good turn off it via BIOS settings.
09:30<[UP]Crystal>doubledutch: thanks, will read this now
09:30<TobiX>SynrG: Well. You can't always win...
09:30<doubledutch>[UP]Crystal: Sure, I found it on planet.debian.org, hope it's what you're looking for!
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09:32<doubledutch>Lots of gems from that site, I remembered it and used the planet.debian.org search for "beep" and shortly thereafter I recalled hazily that my father's brother was once called by his birthname, Robert.
09:32<TobiX>[UP]Crystal: Permanent solution against PC speaker beeping: http://www.asket.de/sites/asket.de/myzms/content/e73/e1150/e1347/Seitenschneider-Asket_ger.jpg
09:32<[UP]Crystal>doubledutch: Seems yes, thanks a lot! Also seems I should also to train search in google... :)
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09:33<[UP]Crystal>TobiX: it's notebook. I'm to lazy to do this in it )
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09:34<diamond>Hey this is not exactly the place for this question , but id thought id ask because i cant find any answers elsewhere. Im using xubuntu and i want to use conky but have no idea how to customize it , any help?
09:35<timmeyh>diamond: did you google?
09:35<timmeyh>try editing the .conky file in your home dir
09:35<diamond>yeah alot , with no success
09:35<laite>SynrG: thanks for help, installing ATI proprietary through 'squeeze' version of wiki worked perfectly
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09:36<diamond>i have found multiple conky configs on the net but no idea how to install then apply
09:36<SynrG>laite: great. i would appreciate it if you'd update the wheezy wiki section of that page.
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09:36<SynrG>laite: the wiki requires a login to edit, but anyone can make an account.
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09:37<laite>SynrG: Ok, I'll look into it :)
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09:38<SynrG>diamond, timmeyh: i appreciate the goodwill on your part, timmeyh, but please handle non-debian support off-channel. thanks.
09:39<SynrG>!conky
09:39<dpkg>Conky is a highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. Packaged for Debian in <contrib>. http://conky.sf.net/faq.html http://conky.wikia.com/ http://conky.sf.net/ #conky on irc.freenode.net.
09:39<SynrG>!ubuntu
09:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
09:40<timmeyh>yeah sry SynrG
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10:03<tuvok>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=84741&p=498666#p498666
10:04<trico>im trying to setup a 2nd monitor. why can't i set it to something other than clone?
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10:07<trico>nevermind got it. for some reason it works now after trying every other setting and combination
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10:22<libregeekingkid>Which directory contains the deb files of packages which I have Installed?
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10:24<stdhell>libregeekingkid: /var/cache/apt/archives/
10:24<stdhell>... unless you have deleted them.
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10:25<nathakal>hi everyone! I just reinstalled fglrx-driver after purge and i get the same problem i had at the beginning . how to overscan screen right from boot , or at least from gdm on ?
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10:30<fede>i'm gonna love debian :)
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10:33<fede>i still don't understand: i'm new on it and started with new wheezy release. If i keep using stable all programs won't stay up to date unless some security issues?
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10:33<fede>(don't get me wrong, i'm fine with it, just need to focus this point)
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10:34<SynrG>fede: that's correct
10:34<SynrG>fede: for cases where you need more. see backports
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10:35<fede>so i guess using wheezy dvd pack as main repo will work fine ?
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10:37<asfethan>greetings, is something in ifupdown system changed?
10:37<fede>atm i just set my sources.list with "main contrib" from dvds (they are on usb pendrive), non-free security and src from official online repo
10:37<asfethan>in wheezy, my network interfaces are pretty messed up after upgrade
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10:37<SynrG>fede: for the short term. long term it will be missing updates.
10:37<fede>ok thanks SynrG
10:37<SynrG>fede: it's best practice to add a networked source for updates even *if* you use the DVD to save on bandwidth
10:38<asfethan>I'm still getting 'RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument' error, it worked well in squeeze
10:38<fede>SynrG, there is a priority way to set this? Just like "if pkgs are same use local store, otherwise go via internet" ?
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10:39<mrc>hello, I need some advice on how to create a debian package. Actually my program is already packaged and I can build it with dpkg-buildpackage but the version is always the same. How can I specify the version from the command-line?
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10:39<mrc>Must I edit the debian/changelog file?
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10:41<mrc>because I didn't packaged the program and it is part of the debian itself so I don't like to touch files I do not know (well)
10:41<themill>mrc: yes, the changelog defines the version of the package you are building
10:41<themill>dpkg: tell mrc about nmg
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10:42<mrc>themill: I will take a deeper look at it. But can I change the changelog of a package that belongs to someone else?
10:43<fede>ok man-page solved my last question :P
10:43<mrc>I am not the maintainer
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10:48<SynrG>fede: yay :)
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10:55<piRIck>POrtugal
10:56<piRIck>Portugal
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11:05<sander_m>Hi. Quick question: Does the Debian 7 AMD64 netinst ISO support UEFI booting? I have a new Acer Aspire laptop with Windows 8 that I want to make dual boot. Secure Mode is disabled but the bootmenu still only shows the Windows bootloader as option. I tried netinst using a CD and USB stick. Both to no effect.
11:07<babilen>sander_m: It does
11:07<babilen>sander_m: Are you sure that you boot from CD/USB?
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11:08<sander_m>babilen: When I turn on the laptop I press F12 for the boot menu. Only the Windows bootloader is shown as option.
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11:10<sander_m>babilen: When I let it boot, it boots to Windows 8, even though it's last in the boot order. And I am sure that Secure Mode is off.
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11:15<bluewater>sander_m: as per <babilen> sander_m: Are you sure that you boot from CD/USB? (recheck your bios boot options)
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11:17<valex>hi
11:19<sander_m>bluewater: That's why I am here. I am trying to make the netinst CD boot, but I can't. The laptop doesn't see it.
11:19<bluewater>your bios has to understand the boot order
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11:21<sander_m>bluewater: Boot order is CD -> USB -> Network -> HDD -> Windows bootloader. Secure Boot is off but the BIOS is still in UEFI mode (I can switch to Legacy BIOS but then it won't boot WIn8 anymore).
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11:22<sander_m>It's an Acer Aspite E1-571 if that helps. Brand new. Just bought it.
11:24<sander_m>Oh, and I created the USB stick using `cp debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb1`
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11:26<Calinou>dat computer choice
11:26<Calinou>:true story
11:27<haylo>sander_m: just keep messing with the boot order. even if you delete the list it has, it will figure out what is there.
11:27<Calinou>switch to legacy BIOS
11:27<Calinou>tip: UEFI support in linux is very YMMV, I wouldn't use it
11:27<Calinou>better get a separate HDD or just remove win8
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11:27<sander_m>Calinou: I want to make it dual-boot with Win8. I can't do that in Legacy mode.
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11:28<sander_m>Calinou: If I can't get it to boot, I will eventually just wipe Win8 and use Debian using Legacy, but I prefer not to.
11:28<Calinou>well you probably can't
11:28<Calinou>aside from getting a separate HDD
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11:28<Calinou>UEFI killed dual booting 8)
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11:29<musca>sander_m: `cp debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb1` doesn't create any bootable usb stick.
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11:30<sander_m>musca: So, how do I do it then?
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11:30<sander_m>PS: Just tried the Ubuntu 13.04 Live CD. It boots.
11:30<haylo>true, that is a partition, you need to spefiy the whole device as /dev/sdX not /dev/sdX1 for example
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11:30<sander_m>So, it seems to be an issue with the amd64-netinst ISO?
11:30<musca>haylo: and dd not cp, or not?
11:30<sander_m>haylo: Ah, I'll try :-)
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11:32<musca>sander_m: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
11:33<haylo>he should use cat. cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX , dd is great but not usually the recommended way here
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11:35<haylo>musca: then perhaps test your USB for boot-ability by running qemu VM. "qemu /dev/sdX"
11:35<sander_m>haylo: Thanks! That worked! No idea why the same image burned to DVD does not boot though. On the one hand, it's not the BIOS settings because Ubuntu 13.0.4 does boot from CD. On the other hand, it's not the netinst CD either, because it does boot in legacy mode.
11:35<Calinou>or, use ubuntu, install it and change wallpaper :3
11:35<Calinou>no problem
11:35<haylo>or "kvm /dev/sdx" if you have kvm in your repository. it s like a precustomized qemu, from my understanding
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11:37<sander_m>Calinou: I hate Unity with vigor. That's why I'm switching all machines from Ubuntu to Debian :-)
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11:38<Calinou>you can use ubuntu without unity :P
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11:39<Zach>Hey guys
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11:40<Zach>for a webserver do you think I should install Debian 6.0 Stable or 7.0 "Wheezy" 64bit
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11:40<Zach>(or other?)
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11:42<Zach>any advice?
11:42<doubledutch>Zach: Wheezy 64bit, especially if it's an AMD processor. The way Debian now does 64 stuff is awesome.
11:43<doubledutch>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq
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11:43<Zach>It's not AMD, I won't find out exactly what processor it is until after purchase
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11:43<Zach>I'm planning on purchasing https://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/kimsufi.xml
11:43<Zach>mKS 2G
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11:44<Zach>as I've been on shared hosting and only just reaslised they've been giving me 256mb of RAM...
11:44<Zach>unless you have any other suggestions of a similar price range?
11:45<Calinou>doubledutch: how about not spreading FUD
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11:45<Calinou>64 bit works on ANY CPU since 2006!
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11:45<Calinou>AMD or intel
11:45<Calinou>Zach: also, hello pîrate
11:45<Calinou>:>
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11:45<Calinou>also, I'm surprised, I know more stuff than an other user here
11:46<Zach>Calinou: p�rate?
11:46<Zach>and hi, would you suggest those servers?
11:47<Calinou>no idea
11:47<Zach>price is very good, and all I need is something that will work well holding 1000-1500 visitors daily on a well-cut down wordpress blog
11:47<wompa>Zach, Wheezy is the current stable. Debian Squeeze (6) is oldstable now. If you have a 64-bit cpu, intel or amd I'd say the amd64 one.
11:47<Zach>alright
11:47<Calinou>but kimsufi is notorious for being used by pirates :-) that's why I joked about it
11:47<Zach>oh, well not what I'm using
11:48<Zach>hmm well it's only £10 I'll test it out on wheezy and see how it goes
11:48<Calinou>use 64 bit wheezy
11:48<Zach>yeh
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12:08<Crow_>folks, I dist-upgraded yesterday on testing, and now selinux.so.0 is hosed and not even su or sudo will run... what do I do?
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12:10<jmmy>my speakers have a constant shhhhh noise going on?
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12:10<linxon>hi all...
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12:12<mtn>Crow_: you might want to go ask in #debian-next, they specialize in testing and unstable
12:12<mtn>cruxeternus: oh, I see you already have :P
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12:12<Calinou>jmmy: what speakers do you use, and where do you plug them?
12:12<Calinou>don't set the hardware volume too high
12:13<mtn>cruxeternus: sorry, meant for Crow_
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12:13<admiralakber>W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release Unable to find expected entry wheezy-backports/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
12:14<jmmy>Calinou, thx
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12:14<jmmy>Calinou, even if I mute everything, still
12:14<admiralakber>Anyone got any insight to that error message?
12:15<mtn>admiralakber: what is "wheezy-backports/source/Sources"?
12:16<admiralakber>mtn: Not sure, I just added wheezy-backports to my sources.list file. Oh wait, maybe it's because I added it to the deb-src line too.
12:16<mtn>admiralakber: yup, there you go
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12:17<admiralakber>mtn: Nope, same error. :(
12:17<mtn>admiralakber: maybe you had better paste your sources.list file
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12:18<admiralakber>mtn: deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib wheezy-backports
12:18<admiralakber>mtn: With a deb-src file.
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12:19<nmeum>admiralakber: backports is deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main
12:19<nmeum>not the thing you posted
12:19<admiralakber>nmeum: Ah derp
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12:19<nmeum>replace the url with $yourfavorite mirror
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12:55<reddyblazingboy>hi
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12:56<fede>ouch ... debian dvds don't contain a Release.gpg so it can't be considered a trusted repository :(
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12:57<fede>so they*
12:57<reddyblazingboy>hi fede
12:57<fede>hi reddy
12:58<reddyblazingboy>ur frm which country dude
12:58<fede>italy, and u?
12:58<reddyblazingboy>the great india
12:58<fede>nice
12:59<reddyblazingboy>ur age
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13:00<fede>lol i didn't consider #debian as a look-for-a-partner like chat.. till now :P
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13:02<fede>i suppose i should ask for a gpg signature instead of a business card, in case
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13:19<fede>yeah it works! deb [ trusted=yes ] file:/media/usb0/ wheezy main contrib
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13:33<con571>Hello, I'm trying to add the Oracle repository as listed at http://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories but for some reason i get an "Failed to fetch...". Any hints?
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14:21<fede>i'm on wheezy amd64; to get skype working (i386 binary only) and activate the multiarch had to download 110mb of fixed dependencies O_O
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14:21<fede>i need skype, but this vampirization is worth? :(
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14:24<jalalsfs>I want to upgrade skype, how can I do this?
14:24<jalalsfs>with dpgk?
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14:26<f8l>jalalsfs: Theoretically you should just install the new package. You can remove the old one just to be sure.
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14:26<Supaplex>or purge it for better privacy and security. :)
14:27<jalalsfs>f8l, Supaplex Okay, thanks a lot.
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14:31<jalalsfs>I did aptitude purge skype:i386, then I installed it 'dpkg -i skype-debian_4.2.0.11-1_i386.deb' But after installation I did 'aptitude -f install' and it needs to remove skype, what's the wrong with it?
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14:37<nmeum>I am trying to mount an sdcard with a builtin sdcard reader, but it doesn't show up in the dmseg output after I inserted it
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14:39<nulld1g1t>Hi Chaps
14:39<nmeum>However, the card reader itself shows up in lsusb
14:41<nmeum>but the card doesn't appear
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14:45<egwk>jalalsfs: can you paste your error message to http://paste.debian.net/ ?
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14:48<jalalsfs>egwk, There's not any error messages but it needs to remove the package: The following packages will be REMOVED:
14:48<jalalsfs> skype:i386{p}
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14:54<egwk>jalalsfs: You removed the skype without a problem. Then installed the new one without an error showing up again but when you aptitude -f you are prompted to remove it... hmmm. maybe it conflicts with something. Does it work without you fixing aptitude? (btw I haven't got skype installed)
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14:56<jalalsfs>egwk, I installed it by 'dpkg -i skype...'
14:57<jalalsfs>egwk, I'll try to reboot the system, maybe it will solve the problem.
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14:59<muanda>slt à tous
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15:58<jewels>hi there. I've recently installed wheezy on my dell. Since I've installed it, I can't hear the startup sound but just a metallic sound
15:59<jewels>how can I fix this problem?
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16:06<Calinou>there is no startup sound
16:06<Calinou>and yes, by default GRUB beeps
16:06<Calinou>blame debian devs for that behavior
16:07<abrotman>mine doesn't beep ?
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16:18<Zach>Hey guys
16:18<Zach>Just setting up a web server
16:18<Zach>What do I point the DNS to if I want it to load /var/www/directory
16:18<Zach>or how do I set up zones
16:18<blast007>Zach: depends on how you set up your vhosts
16:18<Zach>I have no idea
16:19<Zach>alright, any starting points?
16:19<abrotman>DNS can't point to a directory ..
16:19<Zach>I know
16:19<Zach>so I point it to my root IP
16:19<Zach>but then how do I direct that to the directory
16:19<blast007>Zach: assuming you're using apache, you could start here: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/
16:19<Zach>for a specific site
16:19<Zach>I am
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16:20<Zach>Quite a lot of navigating there, what should I search for?
16:20<blast007>Zach: I generally change the default site to point to /var/www/default and then have my other sites (virtual hosts) in /var/www/domain.com/htdocs/ (I use the htdocs so that I can also have site-specific files outside of the web directory)
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16:21<Zach>I was thinking /var/www/site1 and /var/www/site2
16:21<Zach>is that not a good way blast007 ?
16:21<Zach>I assume it wouldn't affect any sort of performance, just different way of organising it?
16:21<Zach>or is it harder to set up?
16:21<blast007>that's basically what I just said, except without the htdocs directory
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16:22<Zach>oh alright haha, ever better
16:22<blast007>I keep my configuration and other private data in a location that can't be accessed from the web ;)
16:23<Zach>kk good idea
16:23<Zach>so how do I set up the vhosts?
16:23<blast007>if your PHP ever fails, you don't want people to be able to hit site1.com/config.php and then hack your database
16:23<Zach>how would you prevent that?
16:23<Zach>moving config out of reach of the domain?
16:23<blast007>by having the web root at /var/www/site1/htdocs/ and having your config at /var/www/site1/config.php
16:23<stderr>I would prevent it by not installing PHP... :-)
16:24<blast007>stderr: heh..
16:24<Zach>one can't live without PHP
16:24<Zach>alright
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16:24<blast007>stderr: same issue could occur for any dynamic web page language ;)
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16:24<stderr>Zach: Of course you can...
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16:26<blast007>Zach: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/
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16:27<Zach>thanks blast007
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16:36<OTOXOTO>HI
16:36<Zach>get this error when restarting apache2
16:36<Zach>[error] VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results
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16:37<Zach>wait fixed it by adding a directory I needed
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16:37<Zach>and now
16:37<Zach>Reloading web server config: apache2 not running.
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16:38<Zach>how can I fix that?
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16:43<Zach>blast007: just get that error, nothing else: Reloading web server config: apache2 not running.
16:43<Zach>but it says [ ok ] too..
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16:46<zerick>What could be a "bad pagetable" error ?
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16:47<stderr>Zach: You stopped the webserver before. Restart it.
16:47<Zach>stderr: now getting this: NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts Action 'start' failed.
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16:49<stderr>Zach: Sounds like a missing <VirtualHost *:80> ... </VirtualHost> around one of the vhosts.
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16:50<Zach>ah silly!
16:50<f8l>jalalsfs: Reboot rarely solves any problems on Linux. ;-) Try `apt-mark manual skype`. Aptitude should not remove it.
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16:51<Zach>Ok well it sort of works now
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16:51<Zach>stderr: [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
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16:51<Zach>stderr: but it works
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16:51<Zach>stderr: yeh, sorry that's not the only error
16:51<Zach>stderr: It all works, but: [error] VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results [Fri May 24 22:50:45 2013] [error] VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results [Fri May 24 22:50:45 2013] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
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16:52<Igloo>Can anyone help me with my USB Bluetooth dongle seemingly not working please?: http://paste.debian.net/6270/
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16:52<stderr>Zach: Can you paste your config on paste.debian.net?
16:52<jalalsfs>I removed it, then I installed it via Gdebi, buy clicking right button, now I can do 'aptitude install -f' without removing it, thank you so much.
16:52<Zach>stderr: which config?
16:52<jalalsfs>f8l, I removed it, then I installed it via Gdebi, buy clicking right button, now I can do 'aptitude install -f' without removing it, thank you so much
16:52<Zach>stderr: the /sites-allowed/blah one?
16:53<stderr>Zach: Yes and any other apache config you have changed.
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16:53<f8l>jalalsfs: Would you like me to explain why aptitude wanted to remove the packade?
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16:53<stderr>And it's sites-available.
16:54<jalalsfs>f8l, Yes, please,
16:54<jalalsfs>f8l, What's the reason?
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16:56<jalalsfs>f8l, If I did 'apt-mark manual skype' can I remove it after that via 'aptitude purge skype:i386' or not?
16:58<f8l>jalalsfs: OK. Aptitude stores information about packages installed manually and packages installed automatically only to satisfy dependencies of packages installed manually. When you install a package from outside aptitude (with dpkg for example) and then call aptitude, it'll think the package was installed automatically and remove it as soon as nothing requires it.
16:58<f8l>jalalsfs: Yes, you can.
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17:00<f8l>jalalsfs: Similar thing happens when you remove a package behind aptitude's back. It'll come and say: „hey, where is that package? I remember the user installed it and now it's gone. I guess something bad happened to it. I'll install it again.”
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17:01<jalalsfs>f8l, I got it, thank you so much, but the problem is that, aptitude cannot install a local package in my computer, so I have to choose another tool to install it.
17:03<f8l>jalalsfs: Yes, that's why you had to tell aptitude „I installed that package for a reason. Don't touch it.” with apt-mark.
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17:04<jalalsfs>f8l, Oh, that's great, Thank you so much.
17:04<f8l>jalalsfs: You can also `apt-mark auto «package»` to say: „I don't care about «package» any more. You can remove it if you think other packages don't need it.”
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17:06<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps whats a CVE in relation to a an update to a package? is that a critical vulnerability that can be exploited?
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17:06<jalalsfs>f8l, So apt-mark too important. Thank you so so so much.
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17:09<f8l>jalalsfs: You are welcome. ;-)
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17:12<f8l>jalalsfs: Another tip. If you don't want to remember about apt-mark, I think you'll get a similar effect when you just `aptitude install «package»` after `dpkg -i «package»`. If that's true, you can also type „+«package»” when aptitude asks you for permission to uninstall a «package» you want to keep installed.
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17:16<jalalsfs>f8l, I did 'dpkg -i install skype-debian_4.2.0.11-1_i386.deb' then I did 'apt-mark manual skype' then 'aptitude -f install' but aptitude wants to remove skype too,
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17:18<jalalsfs>f8l, But your last solution was perfect, I did after installation skype via dpkg -i' I did 'aptitude install skype:i386' and now it's all right, I did 'aptitude -f install' and there is no require to remove skype,
17:18<f8l>jalalsfs: Try to type „+skype:i386” as the answer.
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17:19<f8l>jalalsfs: Maybe you should've typed „apt-mark manual skype:i386”. I wonder why apt-mark didn't complain…
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17:20<jalalsfs>f8l, I tried that as well.
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17:21<m31>is there a way to get the 3.4 or 3.6 kernel from the repos if im running testing?
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17:22<f8l>,version kernel-image-3.4
17:22<judd>No package named 'kernel-image-3.4' was found in i386.
17:22<f8l>,version kernel-image-3.6
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17:22<judd>No package named 'kernel-image-3.6' was found in i386.
17:22<f8l>Oh… At what times I live…
17:22<f8l>,version linux-image-3.6
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17:22<judd>No package named 'linux-image-3.6' was found in i386.
17:22<LtL>f8l: please message the bots, thank you
17:23<f8l>LtL: I'm sorry.
17:23<LtL>f8l: no problem :)
17:24<jalalsfs>f8l, Say thanking to you not enough, so a big too thaaaaaaaank to you.
17:25<f8l>m31: I guess you'll have to get sources and build a package on your own. Search for kernel-package package if you want to do that.
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17:25<LtL>dpkg: kernel
17:25<LtL>darn
17:25-!-Ad_m [~Ad_m@82-160-246-71.tktelekom.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:25<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.10-rc2, stable 3.9: 3.9.4, stable 3.8: 3.8.13 (EOL), stable 3.7: 3.7.10 (EOL), longterm 3.4: 3.4.47, longterm 3.2: 3.2.45, longterm 3.0: 3.0.80, longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.14, longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.60, linux-next: next-20130523
17:25<LtL>lag
17:26<m31>LtL: thanks
17:26<LtL>m31: welcome sir
17:26<m31>my logitech keyboard+mouse combo doesnt work with wheezy
17:26<m31>but it works fine with squeeze
17:27<m31>even with the backported kernel...
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17:27<m31>so im thinking that I should just upgrade the kernel and see what happens
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17:27<LtL>m31: do you recall the module
17:27<Zach>Hey guys
17:27<Zach>webserver was working fine for a while
17:27<Zach>and I have no idea what I changed/if I changed something
17:27<Zach>and now it just has a timeout
17:28<stderr>Anything in the log?
17:28<Zach>nope
17:28<LtL>Zach: check your logs, /var/log/apache2.log ; most likely not sure of it's name
17:28<m31>LtL: hid_logitech_dj
17:28<m31>here's my dmesg from when I plug it in
17:28<m31>http://pastebin.com/J9uW51TV
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17:29<stderr>Zach: Is Apache still running?
17:30<Zach>yes it is
17:30<Zach>wait
17:30<Zach>it's now
17:30<Zach>working...
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17:30<Zach>I literally did nothing
17:30<Zach>it's running very slow
17:30<stderr>Did you check all the logs? Both access and error... For all the vhosts...
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17:32<LtL>dpkg: #661379
17:32<dpkg>no idea, LtL
17:33<LtL>m31: i think it's a bug
17:33<Zach>stderr: I just cleared the logs as I had set up the .htaccess wrong
17:33<Zach>but it's not loading again
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17:33<Zach>haven't changed anything since it started loading again
17:33<Zach>and no logs are generating
17:34<jewels>How can i disable the beep after I do the login?
17:34<LtL>m31: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=661379 looks like it's a known bug
17:34<m31>LtL: well I have the module loaded
17:34<m31>its loaded even without the receiver plugged in
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17:35<m31>thanks for your help though
17:35<Zach>when I nslookup my own domain from localhost
17:35<Zach>it timesout
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17:37<egwk>I think kernel 3.8 exists in unstable btw
17:38<Zach>it works again
17:38<Zach>but very slowly
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17:38<Zach>static content loads very fast, PHP and SQL is somewhat slow.
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17:43<ventura>anyone know how to enable scroll on the wireless mouse (i don't have xorg.conf)
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17:44<ventura>anyone?
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17:46<Zach>yeh something is definitely wrong
17:46<ventura>?
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17:50<Zach>what is the best way to troubleshoot a slow server
17:50<Zach>slow website on a server
17:50<Zach>even though on a previous shared server that had 1/8 of the RAM, it still ran faster...
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17:54<Zach>any help
17:54<Zach>this is crazy
17:54<Zach>the first time I loaded it
17:54<Zach>it was so fast
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17:54<Zach>now it's high CPU
17:54<Zach>and slow
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17:59<canabisroyale>CC
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17:59<Zach>how can I set up wildcards with DNSMasq
17:59<Zach>can't find anything
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18:05<stderr>Zach: Use top to see what's eating your CPU.
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18:05<stderr>Or not...
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18:06<Zach>yeh I can see top
18:06<Zach>www-data is using CPU
18:06<stderr>What process?
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18:07<Zach>apache2
18:09<Zach>80-90% every time I load a page
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18:09<Zach>and the first time I did it
18:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 601] by debhelper
18:10<Zach>I mean first time I loaded the website
18:10<Zach>it all loaded instantly
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18:11<Zach>so any ideas with DNSMasq wildcard
18:11<Zach>I can't set it up
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18:19<Zach>any help anyone?
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18:22<Zach>please guys
18:24<xylon>Zach: if I were you I'd go on freenode and ask in #networking or #httpd
18:24<xylon>because I don't think anyone here knows or has the time to help you
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18:25<xylon>both of those channels seem quite lively
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18:32<jalalsfs>f8l, Are you still there?
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18:50<pgimeno>I do not run KDE, but I run some QT/KDE applications. What program should I run in order to change the appearance of the widgets? And what package is it in?
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18:51<pgimeno>well, I can find the package myself if I know the program name
18:51<pgimeno>there's a kde-config but it doesn't seem to do anything
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19:08<woden>I have an amd64 install of Debian stable. I added i386 architecture to my sources.list and installed some i386 packages. How do I remove all i386 packages since I don't remember their names?
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19:10<Zach>Hey guys, anybody know of a tutorial to make the most efficient LAMP server?
19:12<mdik>use lighttpd (;
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19:13<egwk>woden: you can "dpkg --get-selections | grep i386" to get a list of the packages (there might be better ways but nothing comes to my mind right now.)
19:14<Zach>mdik: was that at me?
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19:29<woden>There should be a way to just show all packages installed by architecture, right?
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19:30<devil>there is with aptitude. unfortunately I forgot hte actual command
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19:32<woden>I always use aptitude...Isn't apt-get the lesser choice?
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19:36<devil>apt and aptitude have their virtues in different areas
19:37<devil>in your case dpkg -l | grep i386 will help
19:39<pgimeno>qtconfig-qt4 was what I needed, thanks anyway
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20:11<Osiris_X>where does empathy store account credentials which are not in the gnome online accounts set?
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20:12<Two>errm
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20:17<dmbaturin>Anyone used check on squeeze? I installed from the repos, but autoreconf -i hangs and takes all the RAM.
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20:39<Sammy123>Hey there. I'd like to store a file by file copy of my hard drive on an external drive. What would be the best file system for the external drive?
20:39<onitaL>how big is the external?
20:39<Sammy123>1TB
20:39<onitaL>Is it going to be used in Windows?
20:39<Sammy123>no
20:40<Sammy123>linux only, probably even debian only
20:40<Sammy123>though I guess the latter doesn't matter
20:40<onitaL>I don't know well the differences of FS
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20:40<onitaL>but I'd go with the "standard"
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20:40<onitaL>ext3 or ext4
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20:41<Sammy123>The main feature I really need is fast rsync comparisons
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20:42<onitaL>ah
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20:43<onitaL>I know you can tell in /etc/fstab to mount it and not to cache, but to write directly
20:44<onitaL>but don't know the systax
20:45<stderr>man mount
20:45<Sammy123>still, thank you. I'll go with ext4. Discussing things helps me finding a solution :)
20:46<onitaL>lol, wiki filesystem to compare the different types, and mount /etc/fstab
20:46<stderr>Personally I would just make sure to do a proper umount before unplugging the drive.
20:47<Sammy123>right now I've got legacy - truecrypt with ntfs - which is really really slow ...
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20:51<Sammy123>would there be a reason not to use ZFS?
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21:00<bugtraq>hola
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21:05<Sammy123>Have a nice day (:
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21:44<wardhan>hi all. when i double click my home folder, it is showing either blank or giving me an option to force quit. how do i fix the issue ?
21:45<wardhan>i am using gnome.
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21:51<greymetal>i'm trying to configure postfix but keep getting a relay access denied error. I do have a smtpd_recipient_restrictions clause in my main.cf but not sure if it is right. Can anyone help me debug?
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21:55<greymetal>and the weird thing is mail delivers for one user but not the new "postmaster" user I created
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21:59<SamB_>I think postmaster is normally an alias?
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22:01<greymetal>i tried adding a line in /etc/postfix/virtual as well but do have a literal user named postmaster at the moment.
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22:09<gruetzkopf>hey, how do i get my system to unpark the system HDD less often?
22:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 574] by debhelper
22:10<gruetzkopf>(i.e. not 3 secs after park)
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22:48<greymetal>I got postfix to forward based on /etc/aliases now but it is still bouncing the message with the error "Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)"
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22:56<madel>Hey folks, what happened to Dmitry Smirnov? Has somebody checked his appartment lately for rotting corpses?
22:57<madel>We're stuck with a bad version of AbiWord for years now that he used to maintain...
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23:01<greymetal>solved! not sure why but in /etc/aliases I had to map `postmaster:me@mydomain.org` instead of `postmaster:me`
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23:13<omixam>Hello I update to Debian 7 but How can I can use the desktop, can help me?
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23:16<claw_>omixam what do you mean by how can i use the desktop ?
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23:19<omixam>when I start session I can't see any icon in the deskt......op and I can't show the right clic context menu
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23:22<claw_>omixam, yes gnome2 was replaced by gnome3 because gnome2 is not developt any more
23:23<claw_>many people are not happy with gnome3
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23:24<sney>you can get a menu/icons by moving your mouse into the upper left corner
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23:27<omixam>The graphical interface is very good but We need I least one desktop..... Any alternative?
23:28<sney>xfce, lxde
23:29<sney>kde is good too
23:29<stderr>twm. :-)
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23:31<sney>stderr, EPARSE he said a desktop :P
23:34<omixam>sombody know why Debian do that?
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23:37<sney>omixam, because gnome 3 replaced gnome 2.
23:37<sney>so if you have gnome in debian 6 and you upgrade to debian 7, your gnome (2) is upgraded to gnome (3)
23:39<omixam>Can I configure gnome3 to recover the gnome2 desktop?
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23:41<sney>omixam, there is a "gnome classic" or "gnome fallback" option in the login menu
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23:41<sney>omixam, if you just want the documents that were saved on the desktop, they are still located in ~/Desktop even if they are not visible
23:44<omixam>In Gnome3 how can create a launcher to an specific app?
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23:48<sney>omixam, I'm not sure, I don't use it anymore, but it might be on this page https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet
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23:50<greymetal>sorry if someone answered me and I didn't reply. was in a different term
23:52<sney>greymetal, #postfix on freenode is probably a better bet
23:52<omixam>thanks! I going to check this...
23:53<greymetal>sney: thanks. i checked for a #postfix here but it was empty. I have a working system now but I'll take future questions there.
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