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00:04<somiaj>can't seem to easily find out, what is the flag to tell the cli mysql client to connect to a remote server (as I'm use to it defaulting to localhost)
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00:06<kingsley>somiaj: I expect you already did this, but. have you searched the man page for "remote"?
00:07<somiaj>kingsley: ahh remote, I was looking for server
00:07<somiaj>kingsley: and the top never mentioned remote servers. (:
00:07<somiaj>remote was not found in the manpage
00:08<kingsley>OK, have you searched Google's indices for
00:08<somiaj>found it
00:08<somiaj>it is 'host' or -h
00:08<kingsley>remote sql client
00:08<kingsley>?
00:08<kingsley>Very good.
00:08<somiaj>yea, I looked but was just hoping someone knew the flag on the top of their head. (:
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00:26<s3cIrc>wow
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00:30<stderr>s3cIrc: wow what?
00:31<s3cIrc>I use Irc first time.thats wonderful
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00:33<stderr>Welcome... Please note that this channel is for Debian support, not chitchat.
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00:33<s3cIrc>get it
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00:38<stderr>s3cIrc: Yes?
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01:06<ghking>hello, long time no see! my cpu is Dual-core processor Core i3, but why my system monitor shows cpu1 cup2 cpu3 and cpu4?
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01:08<stderr>ghking: Hypertreading?
01:10<ghking>what does "Hypertreading" means?
01:10<ghking> <stderr>,abnormally high blood pressure
01:11<stderr>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading
01:11<LtL>ghking: Each core has two threads, which makes it act like a 4 core. This is known as hyperthreading.
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01:12<ghking><LtL> <stderr>, thank you! I got it.
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02:23<Osiris_X>/usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/laptop-mode appears to be writing vm_dirty_ratio = 10 and vm_dirty_background_ratio = 5 because my laptop is connected to ac - WTF?
02:23<Osiris_X>what's the point of overriding custom kernel defaults and / or sysctl.conf settings?
02:24<Osiris_X>how do stop it? (I guess uninstalling pm-utils is not really an option)
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02:48<no_gravity>Good Morning from Gemany!
02:48<no_gravity>Trying Debian 7... toggling through open windows with alt+tab does not work anymore. Is there a new key combo for that?
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02:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 580] by debhelper
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02:57<Osiris_X>no_gravity: in gnome?
02:57<no_gravity>Osiris_X: yes.
02:58<Osiris_X>no_gravity: alt+tab still works
02:58<no_gravity>Howly cow! The way to go about it is to go to this *website* https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/ and it will do it for you.
02:58<no_gravity>Things really changed in debian land.
02:59<no_gravity>Osiris_X: it did not swith between windows anymore. But between.. well hard to say. Between groups it put your windows in depending on the application that opened them.
02:59<no_gravity>s/swith/switch
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03:01<Osiris_X>no_gravity: ahhh yes - I'm sure there is an extension to get the behaviour you want, but you can also use alt+`
03:01<Osiris_X>to switch between windows for a specific group
03:01<Osiris_X>` being the key to the left of 1
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03:01<no_gravity>Osiris_X: there is a setting for the new behaviour. and this website: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/ sets it for you
03:02<Osiris_X>a combination of alt+tab and alt+` gives you great flexibility
03:02<no_gravity>Osiris_X: i have no idea how a fucking website can change settings on my machine.
03:02<tweek>upgrading to wheezy, although i have the manual in front of me, i'm not sure: my sources.list has 3 lines: 'squeeze', 'squeeze/updates', and 'squeeze-updates'. can i just s/squeeze/wheezy in each of them?
03:02<Osiris_X>no_gravity: it doesn't, it installs and extension file
03:02<Osiris_X>which gnome3 then executes
03:02<hadret>no_gravity: there's GNOME-Shell plugin in your Iceweasel that handles it
03:03<no_gravity>Osiris_X: aha. so websites can now instll native shit? is that because extensions.gnome.org is in some trusted list or something?
03:03<themill>tweek: yes.
03:03<stderr>!sources.list
03:03<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list"
03:03<Osiris_X>tweek: yes but arent' squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates the same thing?
03:03<tweek>themill, stderr: thanks!
03:04<stderr>No, one is security, the other is what used to be volatile.
03:04<Osiris_X>no_gravity: I'm not sure it is specifically trusted - it will always ask you if you want to install or not
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03:04<Osiris_X>stderr: thanks for the clarification
03:04<tweek>!volatile
03:04<dpkg>Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg00000.html
03:04<themill>(before you ask, yes that naming of squeeze/updates vs squeeze-update is somewhere below optimal)
03:05<Osiris_X>:)
03:05<tweek>themill: i agree
03:05<no_gravity>Osiris_X: it didnt ask!
03:05<stderr>What was wrong with calling it "volatile"?
03:06<Osiris_X>no_gravity: I've never has that happen to me - are you sure that the extension was not installed as part of debian repository package
03:08<no_gravity>Osiris_X: i have no idea. i went to that website, clicked on "off" which turned to "on" and the tab behaviour changed.
03:08<no_gravity>Osiris_X: its a default debian 7 install. all default settings. nothing customized.
03:08<Osiris_X>any advice anyone can give me on stopping /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/laptop-mode changing vm_dirty_*_ratios would be greatly apprecated
03:09<Osiris_X>no_gravity: using iceweasel?
03:09<no_gravity>Osiris_X: yes
03:10<Osiris_X>no_gravity: then maybe as hadret said you have a iceweasel plugin which handles it (inc. ensuring the site is legit)
03:10<no_gravity>Osiris_X: i did not install any plugins.
03:10<Osiris_X>I sue chromium and it certainly asks me if it wants to install an extension
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03:11<Osiris_X>no_gravity: try installing a new extension - because obviously is the extension is already on your machine it won't ask you anything as you turn it on and off
03:11<Osiris_X>no_gravity: it will only ask as you install something new
03:11<no_gravity>Osiris_X: are you aware, that this is not about browser extensions?
03:11<Osiris_X>no_gravity: yes
03:11<Osiris_X>you are talking about gnome-shell extensions
03:12<Osiris_X>I was speculating that an iceweasel extension /add-on might certify the the the extensions.gnome site
03:12<no_gravity>Osiris_X: even when its only about changing settings for existing gnome extensions, extensions.gnome.org must be in some list of trusted hosts otherwise every website could fuck up your settings.
03:12<Osiris_X>however it is more likely that the extension was already installed on your machine through a package
03:13<Osiris_X>no_gravity: no my understanding is that extensions are sandboxed
03:13<Osiris_X>there is only a limited set of things they can do
03:13<Osiris_X>basically cosmetic stuff
03:13<stderr>The page is embed'ing "something" of type "application/x-gnome-shell-integration" whatever that is...
03:13<Osiris_X>and you will notice the site can turn extensions on and off and delete and install them only
03:14<Osiris_X>if you click on a settings icon, it takes you to app on your machine for changing the extension settings
03:14<stderr>And the page does detect that I'm not using gnome 3.
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03:16<stderr>My guess would be that gnome 3 installs a browser plugin that handles "application/x-gnome-shell-integration". Can't plugins access part of your homedir and/or make connections to some port on localhost?
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03:18<no_gravity>In Debian 7, where are the keyboards settings? Where I can tell it to use CAPS as a second ESCAPE?
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03:20<bullgard4>!alsa
03:20<dpkg>Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
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03:23<no_gravity>In Debian 7, my terminal BEEPS whenever i hit a wrong key, like backspace when im already on the left. Where do I turn that off?
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03:23<nadir>modprobe -r pcspkr
03:23<nadir>I think if that works you can blacklist it, but am not sure and would not know how
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03:24<Osiris_X>no_gravity: gnome-terminal?
03:24<no_gravity>Osiris_X: i guess so. turning off "terminal bell" in the profile settings of the terminal worked.
03:25<Osiris_X>no_gravity: yes in gnome-terminal
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03:27<stderr>no_gravity: xmodmap might help you with caps lock as escape. Use xev to find the keycodes.
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03:28<no_gravity>stderr: i found it meanwhile. its now under "region and language"
03:29<no_gravity>There is no list of open windows in Debian 7?
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03:30<Osiris_X>no_gravity: haven't we had the discussion before? about alt+` in conjunction with alt+tab
03:31<themill>!cross-post
03:31<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
03:31<no_gravity>Osiris_X: no. what i mean: i look at the screen and have no indication which windows i have open.
03:32<Osiris_X>no_gravity: go overview mode - move cursor to top left corner or click on Activities
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03:32<no_gravity>Osiris_X: yeah i know. i use ALT+F1 to get there. Still a taskbar would be much nicer.
03:32<Osiris_X>no_gravity: ?
03:33<stderr>You could drop Gnome 3 and install something else like xfce.
03:33<Osiris_X>no_gravity: you are now basically saying go back to gnome 2 or xfce or something
03:33<no_gravity>stderr, Osiris_X: i might do that. but i will try out the new defaults for a while first.
03:33<Osiris_X>no_gravity: as it is kind of the point of gnome 3 ... a new desktop paradigm
03:34<stderr>Seems like you're not using the defaults. :-)
03:34<Osiris_X>no_gravity: personally I prefer it, I now even have trouble at work using windows - keep reaching for that overview mode lol
03:34<stderr>Osiris_X: If you're going to say synergy next, I'll get a bingo.
03:35<Osiris_X>lol
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03:36<Osiris_X>no_gravity: another option is you can install an extension to have the dock pop up in normal view
03:36<no_gravity>Osiris_X: i doubt i will be able to live without an overview whats running right on the screen without touching anything. but we will see.
03:36<Osiris_X>when you move the cursor to the screen edge
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03:46<Guest6660>Anyone know an easy way to setup grub independently for multiboot on its own partition?
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04:03<no_gravity>re
04:04<no_gravity>the fonts changed indeed
04:04<no_gravity>only in websites though
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04:10<aidalgol>If I dpkg-reconfigure exim to send an receive mail to and from the outside world, it can't be used as a relay by spammers, correct? It will only accept incoming mail to *that* domain?
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04:20<aidalgol>Never mind; figured it out.
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04:29<rodolphe>ggggggggggggggggg
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04:39<no_gravity>What is the preferred way to get wifi working in Debian 7? Adding "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" to sources.list?
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04:41<Calinou>no, get the firmware
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04:41<Calinou>but that's a start
04:41<Calinou>since very few wifi firmware is free
04:41<Calinou>blame debian
04:41<no_gravity>Calinou: so add the line i menationed and then do "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi"?
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04:45<Calinou>it depends on your wifi
04:45<Calinou>but that should work for intel wifi
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04:46<no_gravity>trying it...
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04:50<stderr>Calinou: Why would you blame Debian? It's not Debians fault the firmware ain't free.
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04:59<aidalgol>This just showed up in /var/log/exim4/mainlog: http://paste.debian.net/6623/
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05:00<aidalgol>I think I have exim misconfigured, because that's the only sign that the test message I sent to my server from another email account.
05:00<pisces>QUERY %s
05:00<pisces>oops
05:01<aidalgol>Although the message I sent *from* my server got through just fine.
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05:06<twager>!seen dutchy
05:06<dpkg>twager: i haven't seen 'dutchy'
05:06<twager>!seen dutchy*
05:06<dpkg>twager: i haven't seen 'dutchy*'
05:06<twager>!seen* dutchy
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05:48<asdfx>hi, debian jessie installer (from usb) won't work because I have no cdrom. help please
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05:49<SynrG>first, for testing/unstable support, see #debian-next. second, why jessie installer? probably the best way to install jessie at this point is to install wheezy, then upgrade wheezy->jessie
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05:52<asdfx>I see. and how is wheezy->jessie done? replace 'wheezy' with jessie or testing in sources.list then upgrade and dist-upgrade? I'm new
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05:52<SynrG>yes
05:52<SynrG>dpkg: stable->testing
05:52<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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05:54<asdfx>k thank you
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06:08<con571>Good morning, I'm trying to install oracle XE and found out that there is a debian repository but unfortunately i get some error messages. Any hints whether that oracle debian repo still working?
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06:09<blami>con571: I saw ubuntu repo ... and you will probably need to patch a couple of makefiles/scripts
06:10<blami>con571: as Debian is not officially supported and some programs are in different locations than on redhat based distros
06:10<blami>con571: do you want it for 'production' or for development?
06:10<con571>blami: development
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06:11<blami>con571: in that case I would recommend running virtualbox appliance rather than installing on bare metal
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06:12<blami>con571: there's I believe ready-to-run appliance with OEL5u7 and XE 11.2 which runs under debian hosted vbox just fine
06:13<con571>blami: on a different distro too ? something that is supported i guess huh ?
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06:14<blami>con571: it's safer as there may appear some bugs caused by differences by e.g. kernel configuration or different compile flags for some libraries/programs used by DB
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06:14<con571>blami: Ok blami your suggestions seems reasonable enough. Where can i get such an appliance?
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06:15<blami>con571: /q
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06:44<dex>hi everyone can sb tell me how to make bright keys work on Debian 7?
06:46<Calinou>bright keys?
06:46<dex>yes the keys to dim light in the screen
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06:47<dex>there's no way I can dim screen light, it is harmful when u look at the screen for a long time
06:48<Calinou>echo 0 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
06:48<Calinou>echo 0 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/apple_backlight/brightness
06:48<Calinou>^ if you're on a mac
06:48<Calinou>else do the first one
06:48<dex>ok
06:48<dex>what does it do?
06:48<Calinou>tip: add "echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" without quotes in /etc/rc.local to apply at boot
06:48<Calinou>it reduces backlight
06:48<Calinou>if it doesn't work, well, FUBAR
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06:49<Calinou>blame debian
06:49<dex>lol, ok ill try
06:49<dex>i think there was sth in grub.cfg like acpi_osi=linux, does it work?
06:49<Calinou>maybe
06:50<Calinou>that only adds support for backlight control if it isn't supported already
06:50<Calinou>it won't actually control the backlight
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06:52<dex>it didnt do anything, nothing has changed with that command
06:54<Calinou>what's your laptop?
06:54<dex>PB easynote TS
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07:03<Calinou>lol
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07:06<Slaizer>hi, I have a couple of files and I need to unpack them. duplicity-full.20130525T222742Z.vol1.difftar.gz, is the files called. do I unpack it with tar xzvf <.tar.gz file>? Does it unpack all the files that belongs to it also?
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07:12<stderr>Slaizer: What do you mean by "all the files that belongs to it"?
07:14<Slaizer>stderr: duplicity-full.20130525T222742Z.vol1.difftar.gz, that is vol1, i also have vol.471. I made a backup of my data, and now I have a bunch of tar.gz files.
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07:15<stderr>You want to unpack all of them (from 1 to 471) or just those two?
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07:17<stderr>Slaizer: Same timestamp in all the filenames?
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07:21<Slaizer>stderr: I want to extract all the files.
07:21<Slaizer>the next tar.gz is called: duplicity-full.20130525T222742Z.vol2.difftar.gz.
07:22<stderr>So same timestamp on all of them?
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07:23<Slaizer>this one have a different timestamp: duplicity-full-signatures.20130525T222742Z.sigtar.gz.
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07:23<stderr>seq 1 471 | xargs -i tar -zxkf duplicity-full.20130525T222742Z.vol{}.difftar.gz should do it. -zxvf instead of -zxkf if you want to see a lot of filenames rolling by.
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07:24<stderr>You might want to extract the files to an empty directory in case I'm wrong and you want an easy way to clean up...
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07:27<Slaizer>ok, so I go to the directory where I have the files and then execute: xargs -i tar -zxkf duplicity-full.20130525T222742Z.vol{}.difftar.gz
07:27<albru123>Hello all, I'm trying to install some packages that needs libc6 2.17, cause normal installation doesn't work (or I'm so dummy to do that) I've downloaded it manually. Now (yes, I'm dumb) I got broken dependencies that cannot be fixed by apt-get -f install. Can someone help me with fixing that and show me the way to install libc6 2.17? Thanks for he
07:27<albru123>lp.
07:28<stderr>Slaizer: If you want the files extracted to that dir, yes. (Well, no, you forgot the "seq 1 471 | "-part)
07:28<Slaizer>stderr: ok, thank you, will try it
07:30<fanto666>is there any package browser/manager amongst dselect,aptitude,sypantic? (even planed one)
07:31<SynrG>fanto666: not sure i understand your question
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07:33<stderr>albru123: Have you checked backports?
07:33<fanto666>I have three programs to browse and select package: dselect, aptitude, synaptic. dselect is obsolete and does not support "new" packages since squeeze. Aptitude has multiple bugs (that lead to forgetting selections) and synaptic is ugly X program. Is there any other program to do this?
07:34<albru123>stderr: Nope, but already found something about it
07:34<stderr>albru123: Or maybe you should consider switching to testing. As far as I can tell 2.17 is available in testing.
07:34<SynrG>fanto666: then don't use the word "amongst"
07:34<Slaizer>stderr: it is unpacking now. Thank you very much, and have a pleasant day now!
07:34<fanto666>sorry
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07:34<fanto666>should be 'except'
07:35<SynrG>or "other than", yes.
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07:35<SynrG>i use apt-get. when i want to browse, i use packages.debian.org.
07:35<stderr>Slaizer: No problem.
07:36<SynrG>occasionally i use synaptic for large-scale browsing / package cleanup operations.
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07:36<SynrG>i never use dselect (obsolete, as you have pointed out)
07:36<SynrG>and i never use the aptitude curses interface.
07:37<fanto666>well I prefer curses over X often
07:37<SynrG>your choice, then. aptitude is your best choice.
07:37<fanto666>I've been using dselect until now. Whan I started using aptitude(curses), I found a few bugs that made me angry and I have to restart from scratch multiple times
07:37<hdb2>all - I've been up all night trying to figure out a problem w/ our web server (wheezy + apache2 + php5, all stock packages). does the www-data user need execute permissions on php files in the /var/www directory? I've been googling for an hour and can't seem to find the right answer. :/
07:37<stderr>I prefer apt-cache search and aptitude install.
07:37<SynrG>fanto666: are there bug#s for those bugs?
07:38<fanto666>yes
07:38<SynrG>have you found workarounds for those bugs?
07:38<fanto666>some are veryold
07:38<albru123>stderr: I'm trying to install packages that got dependencies for versions of stable packages in ubuntu 12.04
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07:38<stderr>hdb2: I think read permissions should be enough.
07:38<fanto666>for one of them, the latter does not apply already
07:38<albru123>That's why I need that
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07:39<fanto666>stderr but this is not applicable here. I have no idea what is available (e.g. games, you browse all available) and browsing 11k of new packages on the web is not viable
07:39<stderr>albru123: Are you trying to install Ubuntu package on Debian? Don't...
07:39<hdb2>stderr that's what I was thinking too. I'm very tired :)
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07:39<fanto666>SynrG: but yesterday I have marked few packages and they are not marked now. seems aptitude has another bug and I really have no idea how to track it
07:39*stderr hands knoppix_ a /join
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07:40<SynrG>fanto666: for the specific case of games, you might find 'goplay' helpful
07:40<SynrG>fanto666: also there are some web-based debtags browsers out there.
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07:41<SynrG>fanto666: this helps *greatly* to deal with the problem of too many things in one category
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07:41<fanto666>SynrG: well, I would not have problems if my selections stayed.
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07:42<albru123>stderr: Since I've downloaded all stable ISO Images of Debian I'm unhappy from this. Must switch to Ubuntu :(
07:42<fanto666>and sometimes I also consider on dependencies...
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07:43<stderr>albru123: You're unhappy you can't install Ubuntu packages on Debian?
07:44<SynrG>fanto666: you have what is called an "overly constrained problem". you won't use synaptic because it's X-based and you hate aptitude because it forgets selections. you need to loosen one of your constraints, or else continue to be a very unhappy person.
07:44<fanto666>SynrG: web-based local or remote?
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07:45<fanto666>SynrG: my question was if there is anything other :)
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07:45<fanto666>SynrG: and I don't see "new" packages in synaptic too
07:45<SynrG>remote
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07:45<stderr>fanto666: If you quit aptitude without installing any packages, is it any wonder aptitude "forgets" your selections? Or are we talking about something different?
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07:46<fanto666>stderr: yes, it is... it usually does not forget them.
07:47<SynrG>fanto666: there may be others, but nothing as capable as the ones you've mentioned.
07:48<stderr>I don't use the curses interface, so this might be a stupid question, what's the point of selecting some packages, if you're not going to install them?
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07:48<fanto666>stderr: not now
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07:49<fanto666>...after I finish
07:49<stderr>Why not?
07:49<stderr>Finish what? Isn't quitting aptitude the same as finishing?
07:50<fanto666>finish selecting
07:50<SynrG>fanto666: for example, kde has 'apper'
07:50<fanto666>i have finished yesterday at 11pm which was a bit late to start downloading and installing
07:50<fanto666>... I don't weant to spend 2x more time by waiting to downloading, installing and responding questions between selecting pkgs
07:51<SynrG>fanto666: i think you will find this is similar in concept if not in look-and-feel to synaptic ... so i predict you will hate it equally.
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07:53<stderr>fanto666: Ah... For each package: echo "$PACKAGE install" | dpkg --set-selections When you're done: apt-get dselect-upgrade
07:54<stderr>I think apt-get install works too for the final step.
07:54<fanto666>stderr: I don't want to do this for 1k of packages... that's why I'm searching for working pkg manager
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07:55<SynrG>fanto666: where you have narrowly defined "working"
07:55<SynrG>so narrowly, you cannot possibly find a solution
07:55<SynrG>hence "overly constrained problem"
07:55<fanto666>SynrG: something that does not crash not randomly forget what I selected
07:55<SynrG>and as i said before "loosen one of your constraints"
07:56<SynrG>stderr proposed a *reasonable* solution
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07:56<fanto666>SynrG: dselect was working perfectly... but some changes made it not know which packages are new. The same reasonability would be to revert some dpkg's changes and go with dselect
07:56<SynrG>if you are unwilling to even *try*, well ... just continue to be unhappy, then
07:57<SynrG>i feel sorry for you
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07:58<albru123>stderr: That's Debian packages, but need unstable versions :(
07:58<stderr>Regard the "I don't want to do this for 1k of packages...": Does any of you even have 1k packages installed on any of your machines?
07:58<stderr>albru123: Consider switching to testing or unstable.
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07:59<stderr>Or check backports.
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07:59<fanto666>stderr: --- Installed Packages (2647)
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08:00<fanto666>my home machine... games, tools, whatever
08:00<fanto666>and dependencies of course
08:00<SynrG>albru123: maybe you could share with us which *specific* versions of which *specific* packages you want? we do better with specifics.
08:00<stderr>Impressive... I'm at less than 1k on all of mine.
08:01<stderr>albru123: As I said, libc6 2.17 is in testing.
08:01<fanto666>my son uses KDE, I do not, but I've had GNOME installed to compare. I would probably try LXDE
08:01<albru123>SynrG: I've allready said, libc6 2.17
08:01<SynrG>albru123: for what purpose?
08:02<stderr><albru123> stderr: I'm trying to install packages that got dependencies for versions of stable packages in ubuntu 12.04
08:02<fanto666>stderr: I know that not many people do that, but whenever there's new release, I'm browsing new packages to see if they can be interested for me@home, me@work, my family etc
08:03<albru123>SynrG: libdb 4.8.30-quantal12
08:03<SynrG>albru123: and why do you need that version of libdb?
08:03<albru123>Building bitcoin client and server
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08:04<fanto666>building on debian from ubuntu sources?
08:04<SynrG>albru123: which bitcoin client and server?
08:04<albru123>SynrG: Nevermid, now installing Ubuntu
08:04<albru123>*Nevermind
08:04<SynrG>albru123: sorry for so many questions, but what i want to know is *what end-user problem are you trying to solve*?
08:04<SynrG>specifically
08:04<vash>I need help. I cant install steam
08:04<SynrG>that's what i meant by we need specifics
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08:05<albru123>SynrG: Installing that libdb and repair broken dependencies of libc6
08:06<SynrG>albru123: the reason for this is, you've tried to go about solving your problem in an unsupported way. there may be a *supported* way to solve it, but you are apparently too impatient and/or dead-set on following your *broken* and unsupported way of doing it.
08:06<SynrG>do not mix ubuntu packages with debian. it is not supported.
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08:07<vash>I try to install libc6 but it says it breaks udev
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08:07<stderr>albru123: I wouldn't be surprised if the programs you want are available in testing or unstable in the version you want (or newer).
08:08<fanto666>vash libd6 from where? libd6 is already in debian
08:08<fanto666>libc6 I mean
08:09<SynrG>,versions steam
08:09<judd>No package named 'steam' was found in i386.
08:09<SynrG>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=steam
08:10<SynrG>experimental (rc-buggy) (games): Valve's Steam digital software delivery system. [non-free]
08:10<SynrG>1.0.0.36-1: amd64
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08:10<vash>When I ran the installer it gave me the jockey and libc6 dependices needed
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08:10<fanto666>vashthis one ? https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy
08:11<vash>The valve one
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08:11<SynrG>we don't support that here.
08:11<fanto666>2~aha2~
08:11<SynrG>!steam
08:11<dpkg>Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <experimental> (non-free). For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net.
08:12<vash>Ill try there. tyvm :)
08:12<SynrG>good luck
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08:20<prix>Hello =)
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08:20<Dmitry>sup
08:20<prix>I got some problem, and can't figure out what is wrong. Must be something very basic I'm overlooking.
08:21<prix>I'm trying to launch steamcmd.sh
08:21<prix>'
08:21<prix>And i get "-bash: /home/tonper/steam/linux32/steamcmd: No such file or directory"
08:21<prix>So I try "exec /home/tonper/steam/linux32/steamcmd"
08:21<albru123>For Steam you need the same version of libc6 that I'm trying to install IMHO.
08:21<prix>and i get the same.
08:21<prix>aha now that you say that!
08:21<prix>I remember some shit about libc from last time
08:22<albru123>stderr: So switching to testing (jessie) would help?
08:22<prix> ia32libs
08:22<mdxzero>hi, I like to install mesh and olsr on squeeze from the olsr site. They say this packages are for ubuntu but can use allso from debian.
08:22<prix>apt-get install ia32libs
08:22<Dmitry>prix, nice nick btw :-)
08:23<prix>albru123: If you needed that aswell. You need apt-get install ia32libs :)
08:23<prix>Dmitry: Thanks :)
08:23<stderr>albru123: No idea, but the version of libc6 you want is in testing.
08:23<albru123>prix, OMG, I've tryied ia32-libs but not ia32libs, Damn
08:23<prix>albru123: Well i mean that package i think
08:23<prix>Hold on albru123 I'm gonna get it down and try
08:24<stderr>albru123: I still don't know exactly what you want to do.
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08:25<prix>albru123: Seams unstable version causing troubles.
08:26<albru123>stderr: Nevermind, I think it will work only on Ubuntu. I belived that it can work on Debian, but now it seems that it can't. :(
08:27<albru123>prix, Ok, Ubuntu is finnishing install, so I'll give it another try on Ubuntu
08:28<stderr>albru123: Since I still don't know what "it" is, I can't tell you if "it" will work on Debian or not.
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08:28<pgimeno>Is there a way to clean up the package list, so that obsolete, purged packages don't show in dpkg -l ?
08:29<SynrG>mdxzero: you realize wheezy is stable now
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08:29<SynrG>mdxzero: if upstream claims support on debian, they probably mean current stable.
08:29<abrotman>prix: ia32-libs is gone
08:29<albru123>stderr: "it" = libdb and bitcoin
08:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 615] by debhelper
08:30<prix>abrotman: O_O Where did they go?
08:30<abrotman>prix: replaced by multiarch thankfully
08:30<albru123>prix, I think so ...
08:30<stderr>pgimeno: Purged packages shouldn't show up. Uninstalled is not the same as purged.
08:30<pgimeno>stderr: they don't show in apt-cache search, but they do show in dpkg -l
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08:31<stderr>albru123: And did you check if libdb and bitcoin is available in testing?
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08:33<mdxzero>SynrG O.K. I will upgrade, thanks
08:33<albru123>stderr: bitcoin yes, I don't know how about libdb, It's my fault that I didn't checked it before asking. I will try to do "It" in Ubuntu, then I'll try do the same on Debian. Thanks for help again :-)
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08:34<pgimeno>stderr: http://paste.debian.net/6645/
08:34<SynrG>dpkg: tell mdxzero about squeeze->wheezy
08:34<stderr>albru123: If you already have wheezy installed, it might be easier to switch to testing.
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08:35<stderr>pgimeno: If they're not installed, purge them.
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08:35<pgimeno>stderr: they're purged
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08:36<stderr>Odd, when I purge packages, they don't show up in dpkg -l.
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08:36<stderr>You're sure you didn't just uninstall them?
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08:36<SynrG>albru123: if you're going to upgrade to testing, you want to get rid of that ubuntu crap that's broken first.
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08:37<pgimeno>stderr: I'm completely sure
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08:37<pgimeno>'sudo dpkg --purge libboost-wave1.42-dev' gives: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove libboost-wave1.42-dev which isn't installed
08:37<prix>albru123: steam-debian_1.0.0.39-8_all.deb
08:37<albru123>stderr: I know, I can restore the clen state of Wheezy, I'm running in virtual-box, backed-up the clen state Virtual Drive.
08:37<stderr>pgimeno: How about aptitude purge libboost-wave1.42-dev ?
08:37<albru123>prix, I don't want steem :)
08:38<pgimeno>stderr: same result
08:38<stderr>Ok, I'm out of ideas...
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08:38<greg>Does someone ready to help about hook in the stack, with NF_INET_PRE_ROUTING ?
08:39<prix>albru123: Oh xD thought so :)
08:39<SynrG>!tell prix about steam
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08:40<pgimeno>removed packages show as 'rc' in the first columns of dpkg -l, these show as any unknown/uninstalled/purged package with 'un'
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08:40<pgimeno>thanks anyway stderr
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08:41<greg>Is there a chan dedicated to kernel module dev here?
08:41<abrotman>i think there's a #kernelnewbies still
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08:42<pgimeno>it's just *this* annoying: http://paste.debian.net/6649/
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08:44<fanto666>pgimenowhat do "dpkg -p libboost-filesystem1.46-dev" and "dpkg -s libboost-filesystem1.46-dev" show?
08:44<greg>abrotman, thx
08:45<pgimeno>fanto666: respectively: dpkg-query: package 'libboost-filesystem1.46-dev' is not available, and dpkg-query: package 'libboost-filesystem1.46-dev' is not installed and no information is available
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08:46<fanto666>hmmmafter next update they usually disappear
08:46<fanto666>pgimeno: wheezy?
08:46<pgimeno>fanto666: yes
08:47<fanto666>tried runnint apt-get update?
08:47<pgimeno>yes
08:47<fanto666>what's your sources.list?
08:47<pgimeno>it's the normal one, but if you want the whole thing I can paste it
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08:48<pgimeno>it's happening since always, but the list has grown a bit too big at this point
08:48<abrotman>pgimeno: dpkg --forget-old-unavail ?
08:48<xylon>Why does synaptic package manager have an option to notify me of new Ubuntu version?
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08:48<pgimeno>dpkg: warning: obsolete '--forget-old-unavail' option; unavailable packages are automatically cleaned up
08:48<dpkg>that's too long, pgimeno
08:48<fanto666>xylon because synaptic is an ubuntu thing
08:49<pgimeno>oops, sorry dpkg ;)
08:49<fanto666>waw, this happens here too
08:49<pgimeno>I noticed that these specific packages are mentioned in Conflicts: lines but otherwise they don't appear in /var/lib/dpkg/{status,available}
08:50<devil>fanto666: since when is synaptic an ubuntu thing?
08:50<fanto666>devil: it was made for ubuntyu, afaik
08:50<devil>no.
08:50<fanto666>hmmm I was wrongly informet then, sorry
08:50<devil>afair it was there before ubuntu
08:51<devil>they do have a package manager of their own though
08:52<abrotman>it was available before ubuntu, just not widely used
08:53<xylon>OK so will it actually inform me of a new Ubuntu version or new Debian version?
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08:58<xylon>it's in Repositories > Updates
08:58<fanto666>,bug 666869
08:58<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/666869 in software-properties-gtk (open): «synaptic: "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version" setting present in Configuration>Repositories dialog»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-04-02; last modified: 2012-12-11.
08:58<jalalsfs>Till when will be Squeeze supported from debian?
08:59<fanto666>about a year, unless new release comes sooner
09:00<jalalsfs>fanto666, So it depends on if any new release comes out?
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09:02<fanto666>if it comes sooner than 1 year after wheezy release
09:02<abrotman>hah!
09:03<xylon>but I thought it takes about 2 years r more ??
09:03<xylon>s/ r / or /
09:03<fanto666>well, it _can_ take less
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09:04<orange>hello; i want to install pulseaudio on debian 7
09:04<orange>how I can do it?
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09:06<gio_>hallo
09:07<Dmitry>combat evolved
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09:18<con571_>Is it possible to change the workspace selector side from right to left on gnome-shell ?
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09:23<IHS>br br hue hue
09:23<stderr>?
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09:40<no_gravity>Good Evening from Germany! Im trying Debian 7 with Gnome classic mode. Is there a way to change the color of the active window in the task bar?
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09:41<themill>no_gravity: please stop cross-posting all the time.
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09:57<matthayes>hey whats up
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10:09<IHS>gnome-teak tool
10:09<IHS>gnome 3 = trash
10:09<IHS>kde 4.8
10:09<IHS>very bugs
10:09<IHS>bad english sorry auhauh
10:09<IHS>br br
10:09<IHS>hue
10:10<themill>IHS: do you have a specific support question we can help you with?
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10:10<IHS>im response Good Evening from Germany! Im trying Debian 7 with Gnome classic mode. Is there a way to change the color of the active window in the task bar?
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10:21<Orange>hello again; I want install KDE on my gnome debian, what is the metapackage?
10:21<Orange>apt-get install kde?
10:21<Orange>or kde-full?
10:22<SynrG>!install kde
10:22<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install".
10:22<Orange>thanks
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11:10<IHS>install kdm orange
11:11<IHS>apt-get remove gdm3*
11:11<IHS>apt-get install kdm
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11:17<user__>?
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12:03<pantsman>Anyone with basic ftp knowledge that got a minute?
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12:05<jmmy>filezilla
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12:07<pantsman>Thing is I can access the ftp with konqueror, but when I try bash it starts asking me for usr/pw for even ls
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12:31<wardhan>hi all. it seems to me that i have forgotten password for my gpg key. i have revocation certificate. is there any way to access password for the gpg key.
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12:35<willem>hi guys i just reinstalled debian wheezy but my sound doesn't work
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12:36<mtn>willem: I would recommend starting with alsamixer and see if you can spot the problem
12:36<willem>okay i will try that first :)
12:37<willem>fixed :
12:37<willem>:)
12:37<willem>thanks
12:37<mtn>:)
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12:47<morfheus>!list
12:47<dpkg>morfheus: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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13:00<eoo>helllo
13:00<eoo>bump
13:01<harry_>hi
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13:01<eoo>libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: Too many levels of symbolic links Couldn't load XPCOM.
13:01<eoo>any ideas why this would happen
13:02<harry_>no
13:02<eoo>:/
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13:02<eoo>are you an intermediate linux user?
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13:03<harry_>i think so
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13:09<melmothX>eoo: you probably have a circular link
13:09<eoo>whats that
13:10<bartm>that's a linking to b linking to c linking to a
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13:12<melmothX>eoo: what says "find /usr/lib -name "libxul.so" -exec ls -l {} \;" ?
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13:14<eoo>ive got 2 links
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13:15<melmothX>and I bet that each of them points to the other
13:16<melmothX>so the real question is: how did that link ended there?
13:16<melmothX>try "dpkg -S libxul.so". Which package you have installed?
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13:18<eoo>firefox: /opt/firefox/libxul.so
13:18<eoo>xulrunner-10.0: /usr/lib/xulrunner-10.0/libxul.so
13:19<melmothX>firefox in opt is suspicious
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13:19<eoo>lol
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13:19<eoo>i made my own deb
13:19<mgv>!firefox
13:19<eoo>i dislike iceweasel for some reason
13:19<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net.
13:19<melmothX>if you installed it from other sources (not from debian), you are on your own
13:20<eoo>i got it from mozilla's website
13:20<eoo>and make a deb file from it
13:20<melmothX>as it means you know what you are doing (which obviously you do not)
13:20<mgv>eoo: as dpkg said, try asking in #firefox on irc.freenode.net
13:21<eoo>ok
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13:21<piper>eoo: try this, not sure cause you made a deb http://paste.debian.net/6700/
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13:22<eoo>i used dpkg-deb
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13:23<piper>eoo: i use kde, so desktop entry might be different
13:25<eoo>im supposed to run that as root, right?
13:26<piper>yes
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13:27<piper>eoo: i just download firefox and untar to opt , never tried this with a deb
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13:28<piper>i use nightly, but works with plain firefox also
13:28<eoo>nightly firefox?
13:29<piper>eoo: google search it, not sure if it is proper to talk here about it ... non-debian
13:30<eoo>ok
13:30<eoo>isn't it unstable :p
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13:30<SynrG>!mdn
13:30<dpkg>The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid.
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13:30<piper>eoo: not in my opinion, i run sid
13:31<eoo>im too scared to run sid lol
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13:32<piper>eoo: nothing wrong with running stable, it's a nice system
13:33<SynrG>you're certainly welcome to run firefox if you like. but only iceweasel is supported here, and it is trivially different from firefox. mozilla.debian.net provides recent enough versions for most people
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13:33<SynrG>deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-aurora
13:33<devil>mozilla.debian.net even provides nightly builds, if needed
13:34<SynrG>^^ i doubt if you need any more recent than that :)
13:34<piper>exactly
13:34<eoo>im gone try the nighties
13:34<eoo>nightly*
13:35<eoo>we shoudln't talk about it here
13:35<piper>exactly
13:36<SynrG>so, what's the point of this exercise?
13:36<SynrG>so that you have something with the name "firefox" on it that isn't supported here?
13:36<SynrG>because i'm really failing to see the value in that.
13:36<eoo>some websites don't work
13:36<SynrG>really? point me at one.
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13:36<eoo>spotify
13:37<SynrG>and it fails to work why?
13:37<SynrG>what version of iceweasel did you use and what problem did you have?
13:38<eoo>it failed becauase it did not recognise the browser
13:38<SynrG>which version?
13:38<devil>unlikely
13:38<piper>sorry SynrG, i seen the error, knew what it was , put my 2 cents in to help and now back on the side
13:38<devil>with any version of iceweasel
13:39<SamB>devil: addons.mozilla.org used to have that problem ...
13:39<devil>SamB: never been there
13:39<SamB>well, I mean, the site worked but it didn't want to offer installation links
13:39<devil>oh
13:39<DennisTheTiger>The reasons I can think of that spotify did not work on Iceweasel boil down to missing plugin.
13:40<eoo>running version 10 or so
13:40<SynrG>eoo, piper: http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel#User_Agent_String
13:40<devil>and if a website fails to recognize a browser, you can always change user.agent
13:40<eoo>i know
13:40<SynrG>i can't see how it would fail with that
13:41<piper>SynrG: i don't have a problem with iceweasel, i run it fine on other machines :)
13:41<SynrG>piper: then what is eoo talking about?
13:41<eoo>i had a problem with real firefox
13:41<eoo>but ive resolved it
13:42<SynrG>no, i mean, specifically why do you need firefox? you haven't furnished a good (or at least believable) reason
13:42<DennisTheTiger>eoo: How'd you resolve it there, and have you attempted something similar in Iceweasel?
13:43<eoo>rather than running it from /opt/firefox
13:43<eoo>i ran it from my home dir
13:43<SynrG>pardon my language, but that sounds fucked
13:44*SynrG decides he probably shouldn't have opened this window, and goes back to doing more productive things
13:44<piper>eoo: it should work fine from home or opt
13:44<DennisTheTiger>eoo: Spotify seems to load and operate perfectly fine on my side. If it's not offering download links at the proper spot, as I remember you mentioning afe w minutes ago, you may want to contact Spotify to rectify the situation.
13:44<DennisTheTiger>Or use a different rowser.
13:45<eoo>i installed chrome
13:45<DennisTheTiger>...and?
13:45<eoo>it worked
13:45<DennisTheTiger>Then it's probably missing plugins.
13:45<eoo>+ ive got spotify client anyway
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13:46<eoo>ive got a question
13:46<DennisTheTiger>shoot.
13:47<eoo>will stuff you put in ~/.local/share/applications appear in gnome
13:47<eoo>doesn't for me (i'm using cinnamon)
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13:49<SynrG>eoo: it does for me. i use gnome-shell
13:49<SynrG>eoo: for instance, wine app installer populates ~/.local/share/applications/wine/ with icons per application
13:51<SynrG>eoo: so if i press the overview key and type 'adobe', then i see the adobe digital editions icon
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13:51<eoo>i'm wondering why it doesn't work for me
13:51<SynrG>and i can add that to my favorites
13:51<SynrG>no idea. cinnamon from where?
13:51<SynrG>,cinnamon
13:52<SynrG>,version cinnamon
13:52<judd>Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.4-2; sid: 1.7.4-2
13:52<piper>eoo: are you using debian or ubuntu
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13:55<devil>eoo: and is nemo installed?
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13:58<eoo>deb
13:58<eoo>debian
13:58<eoo>ive got the latest cinnamon
13:58<eoo>1.8.3 or so
13:58<SynrG>eoo: on jessie?
13:58<eoo>ive got nemo
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13:58<eoo>yes im on jessie
13:58<SynrG>how can you have 1.8.3 when it's not in debian?
13:59<eoo>i compiled it myself
13:59<SynrG>fair enough. then i guess you're stuck debugging it yourself. can you confirm if ~/.local/share/applications shows up in debian's cinnamon?
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14:00<eoo>the folder exists
14:00<eoo>but it doesn't show on cinnamon menu
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14:00<SynrG>yes, i understood that bit
14:00<eoo>what should i confirm
14:00<SynrG>i don't run cinnamon, so i can't confirm ...
14:00<ompaul>is it full or empty
14:00<SynrG>but, running debian's cinnamon, including debian's nemo ...
14:00<ompaul>and that is as far as I can point to
14:01<SynrG>ah, hmm. i don't even know how the menu is supposed to be populated.
14:01<SynrG>does cinnamon have a menu editor?
14:01<SynrG>if so, do the ~/.local icons appear as candidates to add?
14:01<SynrG>maybe they're there, just not enabled by default
14:02<eoo>it does
14:02<eoo>have a menu editor
14:02<SynrG>with gnome-shell, there is no menu ...
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14:02<eoo>ik
14:03<eoo>i was just saying that cinnamon has one
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14:03<SynrG>but whether i browse *or* type to search, my ~/.local apps show up in gnome-shell
14:03<eoo>*fixed(
14:03<SynrG>eoo: so, start cinnamon's menu editor and see if it's there
14:03<eoo>yeah
14:03<eoo>it works now
14:03<SynrG>super
14:04<eoo>:D
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14:14<Arcana>Hi everyone, do I need to install xorg from a netinst without xserver but with nvidia privative drivers?
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14:18<musca>!install x
14:18<dpkg>To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>.
14:19<musca>!nvidia dkms
14:19<dpkg>For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
14:19<fiver22>My friend has a lappy (lenovo b575) running win8. We installed virtualbox+guest additions on the win8. Trying to get Debian 7 installed in VBOX and have tried a number of media -the netinst iso 1386 and live cd. We choose locale, set mirrors, username/pass, get the screen where it asks if we wanna install diffent additional components (desktop, file sharing, print server, etc.) and select all or some of that. It then continues on until a message comes up
14:19<fiver22>saying http://pastebin.com/F5ZLhxLX -regardless of the option chosen ('Yes, or No') We end up with the same error. Any thoughts? Tried multiple times with same results also tried a CentOS install with same or similar results.
14:19<fiver22>
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14:21<joejoe40>Are you getting this error after you install the virtual guest tools?
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14:22<Arcana>musca: I'm planning to install mate from scratch, so the question is if the privative drivers also install xorg, or if i must install them before. (Is a matter of what to do before how to do) :)
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14:24<joejoe40>Acrana you should install the private drivers first. Make sure the system is detecting and loading the drivers after bootup.
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14:25<Arcana>joejoe40: So, install debian from scratch, then private drivers, then mate and that's it?
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14:26<fiver22>joejoe40: the error occurs during install of debian 7 just after the selection of items like debian-desktop-mail-server, etc.
14:27<fiver22>^going from memory, names may be slightly different
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14:31<joejoe40>Arcana yes that is correct.
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14:32<Arcana>joejoe40: Well I forgot the xorg step: debian, XORG, nvidia, mate(or whatever)
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14:33<joejoe40>fiver22 install debian with just the base installation first.
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14:34<fiver22>we've tried, I believe, joejoe40. Again -going from memory and no longer have the system near by
14:34<joejoe40>Arcana install nvidia drivers before you instal xorg
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14:35<Arcana>ok joejoe40, thank you
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14:38<joejoe40>fiver22 you need to make sure that you can boot up with OS before insalling anything else. Otherwise you can't identify the problem.
14:38<joejoe40>The logs can show where the error is occuring.
14:39<fiver22>ok. thank you for your time, joejoe40
14:39<joejoe40>no problem
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14:40<IHS>hue
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15:05<AWippler>You know how the debian installer asks for firmware files for non-free drivers (broadcom wireless chip)? Could somebody point me in the direction on how to put it on a USB stick? I have tried the deb file on a disc and the .fw and .o files on the root of a USB, but haven't successfully achieved it installing during the install.
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15:11<abrotman>AWippler: i believe the installer tells you how .. or you can just use the installer image that has the firmware already included
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15:19<trosh> /window resize 60
15:19<trosh>oops
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15:27<jkf>AWippler: I'm copy /lib/firmware located on other Wheezy machine to USB flash. When installer found missing firmware - switched in other console, insert USB flash, mount it to /mnt, return to installer and it found missing firmware.
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15:34<AWippler>abrotman, jkf: thanks for the suggestions. Will try them out.
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15:35<abrotman>dpkg: tell AWippler about firmware images
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16:05<mekeor>is there any (gui) file manager supporting miller columns for debian?
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16:06<mekeor>(miller columns as in mac os' finder, you know ;) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_columns>)
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16:14<AWippler>mekeor: there is ranger for the terminal: http://ranger.nongnu.org/ ... A terminal is considered GUI, right?
16:15<mekeor>AWippler: :D that's actually why i said "(gui)" ;)
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16:16<trosh>ncurses isn't command line :P
16:16<mekeor>AWippler: i'm an emacs user and i'd not really like to use ranger which uses vi-keybindings, afaik
16:16<mekeor>trosh: i think it's called "TUI"
16:16<mekeor>:D
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16:17<trosh>t?
16:17<trosh>oh terminal
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16:19<mekeor>text (?)
16:19<mekeor>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text-based_user_interface
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16:20<mekeor>“Text-based user interface (TUI), also called textual user interface or terminal user interface”
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16:22<giuseppe>hi all, but in ubuntu are there just 5 runlevel?
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16:24<daved>hey there. I've just installed wheezy from the kde live usb image. When I reboot the system fails to load with the error "/dev/mapper/debian-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell". I selected single big partition install. I'm lost here. Any help appreciated
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16:25<daved>with lvm
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16:26<AWippler>daved: which boot loader did you install - grub or lilo?
16:27<daved>grub - grub shows 2 options and then fails to load and drops to an initramfs prompt with that error. I've rebooted using the usb live image now
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16:29<AWippler>Grub is tricky when it comes to lvm. I believe you have to create  a /boot partition, then 100kb, then your LVM.... Not sure, let me check my sources
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16:32<AWippler>Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
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16:37<daved>AWippler, http://paste.debian.net/6738/
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16:39<dex>hi everybody, is there any problem installing i386 in amd64 architecture? I mean is it faster in amd64 than in i386 or has it other issues why I should install amd64 instead of i386?
16:40<AWippler>dex: only a limitation of 3GB of ram
16:40<AWippler>daved: is lvm2 installed?
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16:41<daved>its not installed on the kde live image. I'm just installing it now so that I can mount the root filesystem and check
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16:43<dex>so Its better if i install amd64, right?
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16:44<AWippler>dex: I usually run a amd64 with multiarch support for i386
16:45<daved>AWippler, lvm binary is present in sbin/ in the root lvm volume
16:45<dex>the system even though is running amazingly great its a bit slow
16:45<Calinou>AWippler: only?
16:45<Calinou>it's obsolete. the end
16:45<Calinou>not to mention it is slower on some tasks
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16:45<Calinou>dex: very old CPUs can't handle amd64
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16:46<dex>yeah opening hdd's is a consuming task or even a picture
16:46<Calinou>also, if your CPU and storage are slow, expect a slow system
16:46<Calinou>5400rpm HDD spotted
16:46<dex>but amd64 is allright with the software?
16:47<AWippler>daved: can you re-run the "dpkg-reconfigure lvm2" just to make sure?
16:48<daved>should I chroot first?
16:48<AWippler>daved: yes
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16:50<dex>ok ill download amd64 and install it, debian 7 works great even being slow, i like it
16:51<AWippler>Calinou: which tasks? I was only aware of the 3GB limitation.
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16:51<daved>i'm getting all sorts of failures: http://paste.debian.net/6740/
16:51<daved>though /boot is just the /boot from the live usb image i suppose
16:52<tgs3>AWippler: isn't i386 code also slower by not using registers/opcodes present in all amd64?
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16:55<daved>i could try an installation without lvm
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16:57<AWippler>In your pastebin, it appears you did not bind /proc
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16:58<AWippler>mount --bind /proc /mnt/root/proc
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16:58<daved>chroot first, or bind first?
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16:59<AWippler>exit the chroot, bind it, then chroot
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16:59<AWippler>then re-configure lvm2
16:59<daved>[....] Setting up LVM Volume Groups... No volume groups found
17:00<daved>pvscan shows nothing
17:00<daved>not sure if thats a normal error
17:00<daved>it did say "done" at the end
17:01<daved>http://paste.debian.net/6743/
17:01<AWippler>exit that chroot
17:01<AWippler>and chroot to /dev/mapper/debian-root
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17:04<daved>chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/mapper/debian-root: Not a directory
17:04<daved>/dev/mapper/debian-root: symbolic link to `../dm-0'
17:04<daved>I mounted it as /mnt/root
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17:06<AWippler>here: http://hdrlab.org.nz/articles/linux-troubleshooting/fixing-gave-up-waiting-for-root-device-error-in-debian/ shows how he fixed the same problem
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17:08<juan>hola
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17:09<Guest6715>hola
17:09<daved>okay that makes sense. I'll reboot and do it from rescue mode so it can rebuild initramfs. Thanks AWippler that was very helpful and I learned something new RE that bind command. Thanks much appreciated
17:10<Guest6715>hay alguien ahí
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17:18<herpy>Is there a way to search which repo's updates are coming from?
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17:18<herpy>Like if you pin stesting to stable
17:18<herpy>testing*
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17:23<haylo|cgraf>herpy: maybe apt-cache madison package_name
17:24<herpy>doing an apt-get dist-upgrade to check for upgrades cause I don't want to acidentally upgrade to testing or sid
17:24<AWippler>wouldn't aptitude safe-upgrade suffice?
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17:28<SynrG>herpy: mixing stable and testing is not supported.
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17:29<herpy>I'm talking about pinning repos
17:29<SynrG>which is mixing them, which is not supported.
17:29<SynrG>technically it is possible, it's just not supported.
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17:30<SynrG>over time, more and more testing packages will tend to be required in order to satisfy dependencies
17:30<SynrG>so you end up with a system that is neither stable nor testing. nor will it be easy to downgrade again
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17:31<SynrG>(downgrading is something that is also not supported0
17:31<SynrG>eventually you'll reach a point where stuff just isn't installable anymore due to dependency conflicts.
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17:32<herpy>Then you just use full on testing
17:33<herpy>eh, I'll just compile any dependacies that are not available in stable
17:33<kingsley>Has anyone tried to estimate the number of people using debian? If so, can you share a URL?
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17:33<SynrG>herpy: yes, backports are the right solution in this situation.
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17:35<stderr>kingsley: You could check popcount for one of the important packages.
17:36<stderr>And then add a bit for those you don't install popcount.
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17:36<stderr>My guess would be 42, but I might be a bit off...
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17:40<charlie>Hi folks
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17:42<charlie>I have an app on my machine that wont or cant fid the right fonts!
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17:42<charlie>find*
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17:43<stderr>More info needed... What program? What font? What error message?
17:44<charlie>ok! program is LiveCode IDE I have many fonts istalled but it will only display...
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17:44<charlie>mono (really ugly font)
17:45<charlie>I also installed it on to a Gnome desktop and every thing was fine
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17:45<charlie>but that machine was very slooow
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17:47<charlie>maybe I should go into debian-next as it is a sid box??
17:49<charlie>just to add it dosent matter what font I choose in openbox manager...
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17:50<charlie>I can change fonts and the OS is fine but that app dosent see any changes
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17:52<charlie>I have tried both razorQT and LXDE no luck any ideas?
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17:56<charlie>is there a reason I cant see what others are asking
17:56<stderr>I got no ideas...
17:56<stderr>And no-one else is saying anything...
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17:56<SamB>it might be because nobody else is asking anything?
17:56<charlie>I can only see people leaving!!
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17:57<charlie>its just there a lot of peeps in here!
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17:58<charlie>could I somehow tell my app where the fonts are?
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18:01<charlie>is everyone just lurking?
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18:02<IHS>su install youass
18:03<charlie>I dont want yoorass on my box
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18:04<SynrG>charlie: what is livecode IDE? where'd you get it from?
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18:04<charlie>its a programming ide from runrev.com its open source now
18:05<SynrG>implemented in what? java?
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18:05<charlie>no not java but Im not sure what
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18:06<SynrG>hm
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18:08<charlie>its from the hypercard family
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18:08<stderr>Are they seriously expecting people to signup just to download the program?
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18:09<charlie>ha ha sused that i did not for me! :P
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18:09<charlie>they would *like* that but you dont *have* to
18:10<SynrG>probably want to take this issue upstream. it's not a debian package, so ...
18:10<stderr>When I click download, I get a "create account" page.
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18:12<charlie>stderr: thats through the front door ;)
18:12<stderr>Well, I have given up finding another door, so you'll have to ask them for help.
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18:14<charlie>I have asked them for help , but they say its my end thats the problem
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18:17<charlie>and that I should use Gnome
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18:21<charlie>anyone got any suggestions?
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18:22<jemadux>can some one tell me how to configure my server to dot.tk name ?
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18:25<rickbol>I'm trying to avoid installing pulse audio in debian 7. Deb7 installs audacity 2.0.1, w\libportaudio2 & libportsmf0. Are these simply client libraries to portaudio?
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18:26<stderr>jemadux: What do you mean?
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18:27<charlie>stderr: I wasent suggesting that Im doing anything dodgy :) see here http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LiveCode
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18:29<jemadux>stderr: i mean i have a server and i want to configure with dot.tk and make a site like site.tk
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18:29<stderr>charlie: Have you tried this: IRC: ##livecode channel on Freenode
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18:30<charlie>stderr: haha thats a bit of a joke as its never open!
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18:30<stderr>jemadux: Are we talking about apache? Or it is the DNS you want to configure?
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18:31<stderr>charlie: If they don't want to support you, you might want to consider using another program.
18:31<jemadux>DNS
18:31<jemadux>stderr: ^
18:32<haylo|cgraf>rickbol: you could try: apt-get install --no-install-recommends , but it could result in an unfunctional package installation
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18:33<stderr>jemadux: From a quick google it seems you have to go to my.dot.tk and add your domain there, but I don't use dot.tk domains, so I haven't tried.
18:34<charlie>stderr: its actuall a good program but gnome has a lot of (imho) overhead hence my decision to try LXDE
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18:38<charlie>anyhows I shall try to sort it someotherway thanks all
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18:39<stderr>rickbol: As far as I can tell, libportaudio2 uses jack. libportsmf0 seems to only read and write MIDI files, not play them.
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18:40<stderr>But then again, I only read what apt-cache show had to say about them, so I could be wrong.
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18:51<jemadux>stderr: i dont know how to make "a record"
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18:53<stderr>jemadux: I haven't used their interface, but I would assume you can pick "A record" some where and then you would have to enter a hostname and an IP-address.
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18:54<stderr>If you were setting up a mail-server, you would pick "MX record" instead and then enter the domain, the name of the mail-server and a priority for that mail-server.
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18:59<filipe>Hi everbody
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19:02<stderr>jemadux: If you have a specific question, maybe you could take a screenshot or copy/paste the text to http://paste.debian.net/ . Otherwise I don't know how to help you any further.
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19:21<rosario>hii
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19:24<fede>hi
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19:29<oncem4d>I am having a ton of problems getting HDMI Audio working with wheezy and the latest 13.4 AMD Catalyst driver.
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19:30<oncem4d>Alsa sees the HDA ATI SB driver, and allows me to adjust the levels, but there is simply no sound coming to the TV set I have have it hooked up to
19:30<oncem4d>I am wondering if anyone else has seen and solved this.
19:31<oncem4d>I have this killer AMD 8350FX with two radeon 7990's in it, so like a 3 grand computer paperweight that can't edit video.
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19:39<zkutch>hello. On debian jessie padre-0.98 debugger hung - I try to switch to external window, it gives error "BEGIN failed--compilation aborted" - anybody have similar? thanks in advance.
19:40<IHS>foda-se todos
19:40<IHS>tudo viado
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19:40<IHS>hue br br
19:40<IHS>mentira
19:40<IHS>há pegadinha do malandro !
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19:40<IHS>glu glub
19:41<plur>could anyone offer me support in building an app that requires alsa-lib development libraries? though i've built libasound2-dev, configure fails looking for machine/soundcard.h
19:42<IHS>apt-get install alsa*
19:43<IHS>apt-get update , apt-get install alsa*
19:43<IHS>edit
19:43<IHS>you sources.list
19:43<IHS>apt resolve dependencies
19:43<IHS>sorry english
19:43<IHS>auhauh
19:43<IHS>br br
19:43<LtL>IHS: stop hitting enter please
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19:44<IHS>what hitting ? hitting .. ?!
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19:47<thatguychuck15>I have a usb webcam, when I attempt to launch guvcview it states it cannot connect, and my usb wifi connected gets shutoff. I think it's some sort of usb conflict, I found a handful of bug reports but there wasn't a solution. Is anyone familiar?
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21:38<DoorKnob>Hey guys i installed debian using the gnome live disk. How do I modify Gnone3's settings. I've looked for a control panel.
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21:51<moss>hi
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21:52<moss>can someone step me through installing spotify on debian? i tried installing libssl0.9.8 but it still won't allow me to install. I get the common error about libssl0.9.8
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21:54<moss>oh nevermind - just got it working - had to use libssl0.9.8 from squeeze :D
21:54<moss>the genius in here is viral.
21:54<moss><3
21:59<Hydroxide>moss: yeah, libssl0.9.8 is gone from wheezy. it's pretty old
21:59<moss>yeah - spotify are jerks they need to update their shite to libssl1
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22:00<moss>Hydroxide: do you use Plex Media Server?
22:00<Hydroxide>moss: "jerks" is a bit strong :) but, squeeze remains supported for most of the next year, at least...
22:01<Hydroxide>moss: no I don't
22:01<moss>o
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22:04<moss>ahhh it's nice to have spotify on debian now! :D
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22:22<moss>why am i getting this error
22:22<moss>Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.PermissionsInvalid: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct
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23:07<Crash-OD>im looking for one large iso file to burn to usb stick of version 7 so i dont need to carry 3 dvds or 3 diffrent usb sticks. Can someone please advise. Im on windows 7 64bit. need to install debian 7 amd64bit from one usb stick i got all 3 isos please advise
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23:09<stderr>If you have internet access when you install, you don't need that much.
23:09<themill>You probably don't really need all three iso images. 1 DVD image is heaps. 1 netinst image is usually enough
23:09<Crash-OD>i dont i need to install drivers that are not with the frist dvd
23:09<themill>which?
23:10<stderr>In that case, they're probably not on DVD 2 either...
23:10<stderr>But maybe on one of the unofficial CDs.
23:10<Crash-OD>network drivers. every time i reinstalled version 6 i need to log in to windows part to download drivers to get network to work
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23:11<stderr>What network card are you using?
23:12<Crash-OD>is there a way to get one large iso with all that may be needed or combine all three dvd isos? im trying one way but reading someone said may not work since some files telling install what dvd files are on may not be able to read in right
23:13<stderr>Crash-OD: Maybe this is what you're looking for: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/
23:13<themill>Crash-OD: what you are trying to do is highly unlikely to solve your problems. Please answer the questions...
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23:14<Crash-OD>im trying to find what wifi card i have for you
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23:15<Crash-OD>ar5009
23:15<stderr>Do you only have wifi or do you have both wifi and cable?
23:16<Crash-OD>no cable, only wifi
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23:16<Crash-OD>plus not a fast download. i downloaded the dvds at the hospital when i was there.
23:16<themill>ar5009 means nothing to me... can you provide more info? What is it you have been doing when you boot to windows to download drivers?
23:16<Crash-OD>atheros ar5009
23:17<Crash-OD>i think it uses a version of madmax drives i think it was
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23:18<Crash-OD>even on ubuntu did not have drivers allready
23:20<stderr>I'm trying to find some info, but so far it doesn't seem like the firmware is on any of the DVDs...
23:21<stderr>Do you have the PCI id for that card?
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23:22<Crash-OD>hardware id? PCI\VEN_168C&DEV_002A&SUBSYS_3041103C&REV_01
23:22<themill>,pciid 168C:002A
23:22<judd>[168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
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23:23<Crash-OD>does it mean it now supports it?
23:23<themill>the device name isn't really "ar5009" there though
23:23<dvs>you lucked out. no firmware
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23:24<themill>The kernel in squeeze also claims to support that PCI-Id but it sounds like you didn't have much luck with it
23:24<Crash-OD>no always seems to ask if have network drivers
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23:25<Crash-OD>did nto try it on new cd install but version 6 need it so trying to prepare
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23:26<themill>If the ath9k driver supports it, then you don't need firmware and you should be good to go
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23:32<Crash-OD>i will try it. also the one large iso also is nice for when i add extra packages to computer but i guess i will just stick with the basic and be okay since no choose
23:33<Crash-OD>thanks
23:33<dvs>Crash-OD: The bluray disc is 25GB in size.
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23:40<Crash-OD>is it a iso?
23:41<Crash-OD>and were can i download it
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23:42<Crash-OD>i got a 32gb usb stick so works for me sicne no blueray drive
23:43<stderr>You only had Windows, right?
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23:44<stderr>As far as I know the bluray and dual-layer bluray images are only available as jigdo files and I'm not sure if there's a Windows version of jigdo.
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23:45<Crash-OD>i have debian installed but can not access it since i redid computer but it was having issues since upgrading from 6 -7 new install seems to fix issues
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23:54<Crash-OD>the windows version is command line and everytime i run it has issues dang
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23:58<steven>fukushima
23:58<Crash-OD>got to reboot thanks so much
23:58<stderr>Crash-OD: If all you need is the ath9k module, you probably don't need all those images.
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