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---Logopened Mon May 27 00:00:01 2013
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00:13<|Anthony|>i'm having issues getting putty to connect to openssh. I've created the rsa key pair server side, given the private key to the putty client and converted it to openssh format, but the connection still fails
00:13<|Anthony|>any thoughts?
00:14<themill>do you mean "converted the key to putty format"?
00:14<|Anthony|>right
00:14<|Anthony|>in puttygen
00:15<|Anthony|>it's late-o-clock here. don't mind the sleepy typo
00:15<themill>did you feed the public key into your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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00:16*|Anthony| facepalm
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00:17<|Anthony|>yeah... i left it as .pub
00:17<|Anthony|>fml
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00:44<uBrain> /msg HostServ ON
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01:52<DoorKnob>I currently use Guake for a terminal wrapper. What ones do you guys suggest? I've just switched over to debian for my main work laptop.
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01:55<jm_>i use rxvt, mrxvt and sometimes xterm
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02:00<ladoga>+1 for urxvt
02:04<Osiris_X>DoorKnob: gnome-terminal has always worked well for me - and has transparency
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02:05<ladoga>gnome-terminal is quite slow though
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02:06<nadir>mhhh.... xfce4-terminal, roxterm and tilda have transparency too (if that was important)
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02:07<stderr>DoorKnob: What "wrong" with what you're using?
02:07<ladoga>but if you run gnome then you probably have those resources too
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02:08<ladoga>my laptop is from 2005 so I need something light to keep it snappy:)
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02:09<Osiris_X>ladoga: I've never noticed it being slow, but then again I have not used anything else in a long time
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02:10<Osiris_X>nadir: I'll give tilda and roxterm a try
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02:11<Osiris_X>ahhh tilda is like guake - does it work well with gnome 3?
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02:13<ladoga>Osiris_X: It takes few seconds to load on my system unless it's already cached. urxvt loads almost instantly (no noticeable lag between click and the terminal opening)
02:15<Osiris_X>ladoga: fair enough - mine is loaded at startup and never closed lol - which is probably why I don't notice
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02:15<ladoga>yes and probably with consecutive openings it is instant too
02:16<ladoga>just the first time reading from mass storage makes it slow
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02:28<blaster>hola
02:29<blaster>hello
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02:30<blaster>What's up
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02:35<nadir>Ups, i forgot i posted. Osiris_X i give gnome3 a try, tilda works well
02:35<Osiris_X>nadir: thx
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02:41<nadir>Osiris_X: look at sakura too (very light)
02:42<zkutch>hello. On debian jessie padre-0.98 debugger hung - I try to switch to external window, it gives error "BEGIN failed--compilation aborted" - anybody have similar? thanks in advance.
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02:56<jm_>zkutch: see the topic for jessie support channel
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04:28<f8l>stderr: AFAIK there is a Windows version of jigdo.
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04:29<stderr>f8l: Ok... Not that I would ever need that.
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04:31<f8l>stderr: I just saw you wasn't sure, so I though I'll tell you.
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04:34<stderr>f8l: I did expect it would be available, open source and all that, I just wasn't sure if anyone had taken the time to compile it. Anyway, I wasn't the one who needed it.
04:35<f8l>stderr: OK.
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06:43<Manolo>.l. para todos vosotros hijos de perra
06:43<Manolo>adamm mariconazo!!!
06:43<Manolo>adi_ perro!!!
06:43<Manolo>_julian come pollas
06:43<Manolo>aef tu traga o escupe
06:43<Manolo>??
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06:44<themill>!es-social Manolo
06:44<dpkg>Manolo: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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06:44<Manolo>que esta hablando tu iooo
06:44<Manolo>con to tus muerto
06:44<Manolo>_Qman los muerto tu padreee!!!
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06:46<TobiX>There are strange people in this internet ;)
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06:52<Valligan>Hello everyone !
06:53<nevyn>!hi
06:53<dpkg>hello, nevyn
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07:13<NickNameNick>Does anyone know why the debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso might work flawlessly in somesystems, but fail to boot on others (error: unknown filesystem…) ?
07:14<NickNameNick>on my main machine it appears to work fine, but on my old machine, I just get the error message, folloed by the "grub rescue>" prompt
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07:15<NickNameNick>the keyboard doesn't even work
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07:16<petemc>NickNameNick: is the other machine 64bit?
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07:17<NickNameNick>its an amd64 fx53
07:17<Valligan>Please where can i find rt73.bit ?
07:17<NickNameNick>Maybe there's some silly compatabilty mode in the bios, I'll check
07:17<Valligan>For the debian install
07:19<jm_>what is rt73.bin?
07:19<Valligan>Is a firmware for my wifi key
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07:19<jm_>you get "grub rescue>" from booting a CD? I thought it's using isolinux, not grub
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07:20<towo^work>Valligan, firmware-ralink is shipping rt73.bin
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07:21<jm_>!tell Valligan -about firmware images
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07:23<NickNameNick>Can't find any bios options for my motherboard that might be interfering
07:25<NickNameNick>the installer doesn't assume anything about the hardware? socket 939 is not exactly new
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07:28<NickNameNick>keyboard is working this time now - Is there anything I can do at the "grub rescue>" prompt that might be enlightening?
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07:28<NickNameNick>probably because I enabled legacy usb keyboard in the bios
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07:31<NickNameNick>ls shows "(hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1) (hd2) (hd3) (fd0)"
07:31<NickNameNick>no cdrom drive, unless thats fd0
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08:11<shmoolUbun>fr
08:12<Valligan>?
08:12<stderr>!fr
08:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
08:13<NickNameNick>interesting - the amd64-netinstall disk doesn't work, but the multiarch one does.
08:13<NickNameNick>I hope the 64bit install works
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08:14<jm_>what? there's no such thing as multiarch installer
08:14<shmoolUbun>join ubuntu-fr
08:14<shmoolUbun>join #ubuntu-fr
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08:14<NickNameNick>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/
08:15<jm_>ok different multi-arch nomenclature then
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08:16<jm_>it may use 386 release for you then
08:18<NickNameNick>The first menu has "install" and "64bit install" options
08:18<NickNameNick>Looks OK so far, but I haven't even gotten to the partition editor yet
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08:19<jm_>additionaly, with amd64 netinst try using various kernel options mentioned by the installer if this doesn't work (press F1 ... keys to get the list)
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08:20<NickNameNick>Didn't even get that far - the "error: unknown filestystem" happens right after the bios 'boot from cd/rom' message
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08:21<jm_>make sure it's really booting from the CD or that it has no trouble reading from it
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08:23<NickNameNick>I was wondering about that, but the other disks in the system, 3 are brand new 4tb seagates, and one is my old SSD that had a broken windows install on
08:23<NickNameNick>Can't see where else it would get grub from
08:23<jm_>does it also boot from usb?
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08:26<NickNameNick>I dont think that works on that motherboard. there aren't any usb drives plugged in anyway, unless someone concealed one in my keyboard or mouse...
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08:27<jm_>I was thinking of using that to install, not if it's perhaps booting from it now
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08:28<Calinou>NickNameNick: you need GPT to handle 3 or 4TB disks
08:29<Calinou>your mobo must support UEFI
08:29<Calinou>but you don't need to boot in UEFI mode to use GPT
08:29<Calinou>oh, you have S939
08:29<Calinou>well, FUBAR
08:29<Calinou>go buy a new mobo that supports UEFI (any) and a CPU
08:29<jm_>he can't get the installer to boot, he doesn't need UEFI for that
08:29<Calinou>except if you want to use separate partitions on your 4TB HDD
08:30<jm_>and I suspect he'll boot from SSD anyway
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08:30<NickNameNick>Calinou - I'm booting to a 120g ssd
08:30<Calinou>ah
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08:31<NickNameNick>I was hoping the kernel would handle the extra disks regardless of BIOS support, or lack thereof
08:32<Calinou>s/kernel/debian
08:32<Calinou>no, it doesn't, that's debian
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08:36<NickNameNick>well, the installer is busy fetch ~1300 files, and its after midnight here. Thank you for your help.
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08:53<gosu>hi, i have problem -> i can't open folder in second computer. I go : browse nettowork-> select computer -> select folder in this computer and ... a get error : mounting position is not possible
08:53<gosu>what went wrong ?
08:54<gosu>how fix this ?
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09:11<eipi-1>you linux ppl r hardcore geeks
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09:12<eipi-1>why would anyone use windows or crapple when this exists?
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09:13<eipi-1>does anyone have a suggestion for an OS thats as easy as Xubuntu but more powerful?
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09:15<OdyX>eipi-1: Debian.
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09:17<Calinou>xubuntu.
09:17*Calinou rolleyes
09:17<Calinou>:-) what should we answer
09:18<Valligan>Oh calinou you do the english support too ^^
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09:20<eipi-1>wtf was that about?
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09:23<Infiltrator>I'unno; carpe diem?
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09:24<eipi-1>thx OdyX
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09:25<eipi-1>Wheezy version?
09:26<OdyX>eipi-1: yeah, Wheezy is the latest Debian stable release
09:26<OdyX>!stable
09:26<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
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09:27<eipi-1>f'n a, shanks
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09:30<haylo|cgraf>Debian is about as powerful as you can get something out of box. if power is simply the size and number of executables devided by the number of processes the machine is capable of completing. and agian by any unecessary event loggin, or internal command failures. for example a base debian install shows about the same number of running processes as a truly ( and inconveniently ) micro sized system. like tinycore or something
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09:32<eipi-1>so please, one more question: get it here http://www.debian.org/CD/ ?
09:32<haylo|cgraf>but also scales up well, to the size of a larger OS ( 10+ GB of system data (not /home )) , with the dependencies well managed ( side packages that other programs need)
09:32<abrotman>eipi-1: yes
09:32<eipi-1>ty!!!!!!!
09:32<abrotman>!tell eipi-1 about firmware netinst
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09:32<abrotman>eipi-1: that ISO will include various firmwares
09:33<eipi-1>ok
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09:35<eipi-1>thanks a lot linux people. this stuff is freedom.
09:36<eipi-1>adios
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09:59<Brujaamrga>hola
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10:00<zumbi>!es
10:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:07<eoo>#
10:07<eoo>any wine user
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10:09<eoo>wine: Install Mono 2.8 or greater for Windows to run .NET 4.0 applications.
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10:10<matus>Hi. I have got one question. I use Debian Wheezy and my question is, what the following kernel will be available to the distribution. It will be 3.4 or 3.8?
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10:12<eoo>3.2
10:13<eoo>compile your own kernel if you need the latest ons
10:13<eoo>ones
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10:15<matus>Debian Wheezy have a 3.2 kernel. Will it be still?
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10:18<mtn>matus: there will be a newer one in backports sooner or later
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10:19<michi_>Hi! I downloaded the BlueZ 5.5 package from the BlueZ's project site. I ran the configuration script with the options that were given in the README file and ran make and make install after that. hciconfig says that my bluetooth adapter is running, but I cannot see anything BlueZ-related on the dbus via qdbusviewer. What am I doing wrong?
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10:21<Stummi>michi_, this isn't the BlueZ help channel
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10:27<macaronij>Hi, sorry for the newbie question: if i want to install SID, i just install the stable version then i change all STABLE for UNSTABLE in sources.list?
10:27<themill>macaronij: really... if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't inflict it on yourself or on us
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10:34<macaronij>themill: yes or no? (i just want to try it in an old pc that i don t use)
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10:34<themill>no
10:34<matus>what is this? W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169
10:34<matus>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw for module r8169
10:34<matus>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169
10:34<matus>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw for module r8169
10:34<matus>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw for module r8169
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10:35<mtn>macaronij: you can do some research at the debian wiki or use google, etc. lots of help out there. you really need to learn for yourself.
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10:35<haylo|cgraf>macaronij: the convention of capitalizing some things in computer programing, is the result of them being envirnment vairables for the operating system. they are captilized so as not to interfere with other names , like the names of programs and directories. The three things you listed arent even environment variables and hence are never capitilized. this indicates that a testing version of debian ( sid ) would not be a good fit for you. type "s
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10:48<domg>hi, anybody with experience with bridging bonded interfaces?
10:48<domg>I have a weird dhcp problem (using wheezy)
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10:50<toothy>hi adi
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12:00<Valligan>I've just install debian but i havn't connection...
12:00<Valligan>How to connect to wifi ?
12:00<retrospectacus>!wifi
12:00<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
12:01<Valligan>??
12:02<jemadux>do you know about awesome and with startup applications
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12:03<Valligan>During the installation the wlan0 work and now is down
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12:03<Valligan>(i'm not on graphical debian)
12:04<retrospectacus>Valligan: can you see it in "ifconfig -a" ?
12:05<Valligan>I see it yeah
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12:07<retrospectacus>Valligan: then you should be able to configure it according to the instructions here http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
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12:11<Valligan>wlan0 Interface doesn't support snanning : Network is down
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12:12<retrospectacus>ifconfig wlan0 up
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12:16<Valligan>My lo is activate but my wlan is down
12:16<Valligan>But i can't connect
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12:21<BLH>Quick question: is there any plans for bringing UFRaw 0.19 into the Testing repos?
12:22<sney>is it in sid? is it in debian at all?
12:22<retrospectacus>,v ufraw
12:22<judd>Package: ufraw on i386 -- squeeze: 0.16-3+b1; jessie: 0.18-2; sid: 0.18-2; wheezy: 0.18-2
12:22<BLH>0.18-2 is like 2 years old.
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12:22<retrospectacus>presumably 0.19 will get there eventually... it's up to the maintainer
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12:23<SynrG>jemadux: be more precise. are you asking how to automatically start applications when your session starts when you're using awesome?
12:23<BLH>ok. If I build it manually, can apt still remove it?
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12:24<sney>BLH: yes, if you make a package
12:24<sney>!tell blh about ssb
12:24<SynrG>jemadux: if so, apparently it has no native application autostart method. instead, these are the ways that are suggested: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart
12:24<sney>!tell blh about uupdate
12:25<sney>BLH: the dpkg bot sent you the general instructions. not guaranteed to work, but it's how that's done
12:26<BLH>okay, thanks. Is the developer for UFRaw going to be the same person who maintains the debian package? (I promise I'll go away in a minute)
12:26<sney>usually the debian maintainer and the upstream developer are not the same person
12:26<sney>though it does overlap for some things. ymmv
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12:27<BLH>okay. You guys have been a huge help, thanks.
12:27<SynrG>,bug #702148
12:27<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/702148 in ufraw (open): «ufraw: please package new upstream 0.19»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-03-03; last modified: 2013-03-26.
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12:28<SynrG>BLH: short answer: yes, he has plans to. he just hasn't had time.
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12:32<BLH>Learn something new every day. I had no idea you could make requests using bug logs. Should I bump that thread or just leave it alone?
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12:35<sney>BLH: your choice, though since it hasn't seen any activity since 25 Mar maybe a gentle reminder would be a good idea
12:36<BLH>okay, cool, thanks.
12:36<kerneld>having an fstab problem
12:36<kerneld>http://paste.debian.net/6889/
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12:36<kerneld>how come by 2 bind mounts didn't get mounted after boot
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12:38<eoo>are they in fstab
12:38<kerneld>eoo: Yep. see the paste
12:39<kerneld> /src /dst none bind 0 0
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12:40<kerneld>I mount them manually after but meanwhile all my mail is getting queued up
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12:41<retrospectacus>Valligan: got your wireless working?
12:42<SynrG>kerneld: maybe some order of operations problem? attempted mount before <something> is ready? dunno
12:42<kerneld>SynrG: The mounts are after /var
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12:42<kerneld>thats about all the dependency they have
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12:43<Chav>Hi. I'm looking for a central repository of info on the available kernel modules, so that I can make some informed decisions which ones to blacklist.
12:44<kerneld>I could make cyrus and saslauthd open sockets in different spots, but I thought the bind mount was a neat solution for the chrooted postfix. This worked fine in the past
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12:45<retrospectacus>kerneld: it's because your spool mounts are #=0 and /var is #=2
12:45<retrospectacus>(the last field of the fstab lines)
12:46<SynrG>that's only for fsck
12:46<SynrG>and to fsck a bind mount is nonsense
12:46<SynrG>so 0 is appropriate
12:46<retrospectacus>I thought it affects the order of mounting
12:46<SynrG>read the fstab doc on field 6. i see nothing there about "order of mounts"
12:47<libregeekingkid>Can somebody refer me any link for a desktop customization guide, I mean for modifying the looks of my system
12:47<kerneld>retrospectacus: Thanks. Learnt something new today. I thought it was an fsck parm and the order in the fstab determined order of mount
12:47<SynrG>kerneld: i think he's wrong, however.
12:47<retrospectacus>hmm, yeah SynrG is correct
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12:48<SynrG>maybe "mount -a" just ignores certain types?
12:48<retrospectacus>perhaps putting your mount commands in rc.local would fix it
12:49<kerneld>since I am not using defaults..
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12:49<kerneld>do I need to explicitly use auto
12:49<kerneld>eg bind,auto
12:50<SynrG>kerneld: have a look at /etc/init.d/mountall.sh
12:50<SynrG>kerneld: 'none' is not one of the selected types
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12:50<SynrG>in mount_all_local(), that is
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12:52<SynrG>'nonfs' is, however. wtf is that? can't find it in any man page ...
12:53<kerneld>SynrG: It is a non filesys - what I should use for bind mount :P
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12:53<SynrG>kerneld: the fstab man page suggests 'none' is what to use for bind mount
12:54<kerneld>this did work for me with a lenny based system
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12:56<SynrG>kerneld: initscripts has two bind mount bugs about 'mountpoint' but nothing about your issue. initscripts owns mountall.sh
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12:59<SynrG>i can't tell if 'none' being absent from mount_all_local() actually causes your problem or not
12:59<kerneld>SynrG: I am a willing guinepig
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13:01<SynrG>kerneld: /lib/init/mount-functions.sh has a function called bind_mount() ... mountall.sh sources this file. this suggests the init script does *something* with bind mounts ... possibly ...
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13:02<SynrG>kerneld: oooh, tricky. it seems to take a fake 'bind' fstype
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13:02<SynrG>kerneld: which it maps to the real fstype 'none'
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13:04<SynrG>where 'it' is the domount() function in mount-functions.sh ... trying to figure out where that would get called for your bind mount fstab entries ...
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13:06<kerneld>SynrG: /var/run itelf is a bind_mount in post_mountall
13:07<SynrG>kerneld: nope, there's no indication that these are anything but internal helpers. bleah.
13:07<kerneld>SynrG: Looks like the source of the bind mounts doesn't exist until the post_mountall hook
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13:08<SynrG>ahhhh
13:09<SynrG>because you said /var/run, not /run
13:09<SynrG>?
13:09<kerneld>Yep
13:09<kerneld>Is this new in 7.0 ?
13:09<SynrG>crap
13:09<SynrG>yeah
13:09<SynrG>so s#/var/run#/run# and you're good
13:10<kerneld>But the directories with sockets and run files etc in /run are no longer persistent
13:10<kerneld>a problem
13:11<kerneld>They all have create times from the last boot and service startup is after mountall
13:11<kerneld>as /run is a tmpfs mount
13:12<kerneld>I guess I bite the bullet and make cyrus open an lmtp socket in ~postfix
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13:12<kerneld>and saslauthd too
13:12<SynrG>kerneld: hmm, see /etc/default/tmpfs then?
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13:14<SynrG>there are places to put stuff that might not be on a tmpfs, configurable there, i mean.
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13:14<SynrG>or ... maybe not:
13:15<SynrG># /run is always mounted as a tmpfs on systems which support tmpfs mounts
13:15<kerneld>Let me have a dig through and see the lightest touch place to put config.
13:15<fanto666>can I browse package's Changelog via packages.d.o ?
13:16<SynrG>kerneld: anyway, that was a fun excursion :)
13:16<fanto666>not the debian's Changelog
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13:16<SynrG>kerneld: i am curious to hear how you eventually solve this.
13:16<kerneld>most future proof will be to make saslauth and cyrus open sockets in the postfix jail which is what is recommended anyway
13:16<SynrG>mhm
13:18<kerneld>SynrG: I could just bind mount all of /run in the postfix jail, but that is exposting all internal sockets. Not that big a deal I guess but defeats some of the purpose of the chroot
13:18<wardhan>hi all. what is the best way to save output of console. the output might run more than 300 lines.
13:18<SynrG>kerneld: yeah
13:18<lostatwork>wardhan: pipe it to a text file
13:19<SynrG>wardhan: for two slightly different approaches, see 'tee' and 'script'
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13:19<SynrG>use 'tee' in case you want to see the output of a single command while it is logging ...
13:20<SynrG>use 'script' where you have one or more commands executed and you want to log everything they output to a log file
13:20<SynrG>especially if those commands are interactive
13:21<lostatwork>or do what SynrG says
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13:22<SynrG>note: script will continue until the script shell is exited, as explained in the man page (so ^D, exit, or logout to terminate logging)
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13:23<kerneld>SynrG: Biggest concer in the /run/udev I guess
13:23<SynrG>also script output is ugly when viewed with less if ansi escapes / control characters were used (e.g. for colour, positioning, etc.) tip: use 'less -r' (raw mode) to view such logs
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13:24<SynrG>kerneld: hmm, yeah. that exposes quite a bit :p
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13:27<kerneld>SynrG: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/fs2ram/ << The evil ubuntu
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13:27<chvx>is it safe to use sid?
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13:28<kerneld>chvx: that is an ephermeral question
13:28<wardhan>synrg: your raw mode has rest my doubts. the appropriate command : script apt-cache search foo
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13:29<SynrG>wardhan: read the script man page. that's not quite right.
13:29<retrospectacus>wardhan: "apt-cache search foo > apt.output; less apt.output" would be fine for that (since apt-cache is not interactive)
13:30<retrospectacus>or apt-cache search foo |less
13:30<kerneld>SynrG: Its in sid, might give it a shot.
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13:30<SynrG>wardhan: right. what retrospectacus said. though the syntax if you used script would be: script -c 'apt-cache search foo' apt.output
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13:31<SynrG>wardhan: generally you don't need (or want) script if your command is not interactive (or you want to log more than one command, typed one at a time, which amounts to the same thing)
13:32<chvx>kerneld: i like to have newest applications
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13:33<kerneld>chvx: Is it a lab machine or something that you will be relying on
13:33<SynrG>chvx: which specific newest applications?
13:33<wardhan>synrg: i am rebuilding debian kernel since last 2 days & not quite successful. the final command given in debian wiki page produces a lot of lines. i don't want to miss a single line.
13:33<SynrG>chvx: it is recommended for users to run stable + backports if they just want more recent versions of applications without great risk of breakage
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13:34<kerneld>backports is now stable-updates insn't it?
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13:35<chvx>what you mean with breakage?
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13:36<kerneld>chvx: sid is where things get broken
13:36<Minty>Hiya, in Debian Wheezy I've found that bind mounts are displayed like : /dev/md2 on /home type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=1,data=ordered); does anyone know how I can find whereabouts on /dev/md2 has been mounted? (excluding grep /etc/fstab) that is
13:36<kerneld>sid breaks toys
13:36<SynrG>chvx: i mean if you run sid, you run the risk that the developer uploaded a version of a package that immediately breaks for your use case, and he/she didn't notice because it didn't break for the developer during testing. you are not protected from that at all.
13:36<SynrG>chvx: so running sid is not for regular users.
13:37<chvx>kerneld: what can happen? losing files?
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13:37<kerneld>sid may be stable for most people right at this instant, but tomorrow it may not be
13:37<SynrG>kerneld: yes, even that. (though that kind of bug would be rare)
13:37<fanto666>minty that does not look like bind mount
13:38<Minty>fanto: that's the output of "mount"
13:38<SynrG>!tell chvx about sid faq
13:38<Minty>the actual line in fstab is /media/md2/home /home none rw,bind 0 0
13:38<SynrG>s/kerneld/chvx/ sorry
13:39<kerneld>Minty: It shows the original mount device
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13:39<kerneld>Minty: A bit annoying :P
13:39<Minty>yeah, in Squeeze it showed the actual location that's been bind mounted
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13:40<kerneld>Minty: Sounds like Wheezy gave bind mounts the shaft :P
13:40<Minty>that's about right yeah
13:40<fanto666>yes, looks like they two are the same
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13:40<fanto666>maybe like hardlinks
13:40<Minty>I found a bug posted against mount, but nothing has come of it
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13:41<Minty>it suggests its the switch to symlinking /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts
13:41<Minty>which I suppose would make sense
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13:44<Charlie33>Hi - I'd like to build the kernel debian is using for a pandaboard. Could you please tell me where I could find the source tree for it?
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13:45<SynrG>!kernel source
13:45<dpkg>To install Debian kernel source (i.e. Linux kernel source with Debian patches), run: aptitude install linux-source-2.6
13:45<Charlie33>I don't have a running debian system on the board
13:45<Charlie33>(or any system at this point)
13:46<chvx>is it useful for me to read LFS if i wanna learn Linux?
13:46<Minty>Charlie33: you can get it directly from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-source-3.2
13:46<Minty>on the right there are tarballs
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13:48<SynrG>Minty: well, having the debian source package is not the same thing as having the compeltely assembled linux source tree in the deb
13:49<Charlie33>Minty: I'm checking it out right now
13:49<SynrG>Charlie33: see my observation above ^^
13:49<Minty>SynrG: Good point!
13:49<SynrG>Charlie33: the source package format is the unmodified upstream tarball + debian patches
13:50<SynrG>that may be sufficient for your purposes. but there is "some assembly required" there
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13:50<Charlie33>if the patches apply cleanly - then that should be no problem
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13:52<kerneld>SynrG: fs2ram doesn't work on /run - still in use at its point in rc6.d so it failes
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13:53<kerneld>I'll just use /run -> ~postfix/var/run
13:53<SynrG>Charlie33: are you familiar with quilt?
13:53<kerneld>better than removing postfix from jail
13:53<SynrG>ah well. was worth a shot i guess.
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13:53<Charlie33>SynrG: not really
13:54<SynrG>well, it is a tool to manage a patch series.
13:54<kerneld>SynrG: I might bug fs2ram as it doesn't work with /run but would be useful
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13:55<kerneld>to keep folder structure for reasons like this
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13:55<SynrG>the debian source package format 3.0 uses quilt, so that would be the easiest way to reassemble the package on a non-debian system, i guess.
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13:55<Charlie33>I'm looking for it right now and thanks!
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14:03<Glanzmann>Hello; How can I exclude one packet from being updated?
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14:04<fanto666>do you mean package?
14:05<retrospectacus>!hold
14:05<dpkg>hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771.
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14:05<Glanzmann>Thank you.
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14:23<bertus>Hello, i'm interested in installing railendar but it gives me this error: "it can't be satisfied the dependance: lic6 (>=2.15). I have debian 7. Somebody can help me? Thank you.
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14:23<eoo>anyone here
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14:27<ausias>hola
14:27<eoo>hi
14:27<eoo>what version do you run
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14:34<Calinou>eoo: huh? ask your question
14:34<bertus>hi?????
14:35<Calinou>bertus: outdated software probably
14:35<Calinou>just deal with it and move on
14:35<Calinou>you probably have a calendar in your panel already
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14:35<eoo>can i edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
14:35<eoo>im on grub2
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14:37<Calinou>no, don't
14:37<Calinou>edit /etc/default/grub
14:37<Calinou>once you're done, type sudo update-grub
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14:57<x0auser>salut, j'ai une clé monté sur deux points de montage, comment la réintialiser ?
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15:08<sney>!tell x0auser about fr
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15:17<sacarasc>I was wondering if there was a package I was missing that provides the `pom` command, which gives the current phase of the moon? I'd like it on the command line, so the packages such as pngphoon aren't for me.
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15:18<mgv>sacarasc: bsdgames
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15:19<sacarasc>mgv: Thanks. It seems it wasn't in root's $PATH, so I was getting confused.
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15:44<pep_>hi
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15:45<pep_>I'm wondering if there is soemthing more up to date than experimental
15:45<pep_>is it possible to acces git of .deb to get unrealesed packages?
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15:46<pep_>In fact I'm pushing debian at office and sadly, users needs xorg 1.13 + xrandr 1.4 to get nvidia boards working... and only ubuntu seems to ship it
15:47<pep_>if anyone got an idea i'll be very happy :)
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16:06<retrospectacus>pep_: sid/experimental is the newest available for debian. You've not made clear *why* you need such new versions; I've never heard of this requirement before
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16:06<pep_>ha ok sorry
16:07<pep_>in fact we install debian on new laptop with "optimus"
16:07<retrospectacus>!optimus
16:07<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged in <testing>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
16:07<sney>optimus is not supported in linux, newer versions might make it "better" but it was still a bad idea to buy that and try to put linux on it
16:08<pep_>well when you need to work on cuda... you you got less an dless choice ;)
16:10<pep_>retrospectacus: in fact in the readme of latest nvidia driver
16:10<pep_>it seems possible to switch video cards via xranrd 1.4
16:10<pep_>let me find the link
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16:12<pep_>retrospectacus: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/319.23/README/randr14.html
16:13<pep_>in the driver doc (latest) nvidia has worked on optimus and with latest xorg 1.3 an dxrandr 1.4 you can dynamicaly switch (well it seems...)
16:13<pep_>dpkg: yes lspci return two boards
16:13<dpkg>pep_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
16:14<towo`>pep_, you would need kernel 3.9 or higer, xserver 1.14 with xrandr 1.4
16:15<towo`>pep_, debian does not fit this needs
16:15<retrospectacus>pep_: debian doesn't have nvidia 319.23 or xrandr 1.4 (yet)... you might want to check out bumblebee, other than that I have no idea
16:15<pep_>ok :)
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16:16<pep_>hope they will fail tomorrow with ubuntu, so i'll say to use bumblebee :)
16:16<towo`>experimental has 319.17-1
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16:16<towo`>that would work, if xserver., kernel and xrandr would be also in
16:16<pep_>well we have hand installed the 319.23 from nvidia this afternoon
16:16<pep_>hum ok
16:16<towo`>with the installer from nvidia you break your system
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16:17<pep_>:D
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16:18<pep_>well I had breaked it with experimental nvidia driver this morning so, I tried directly hte nvidia installer directly :)
16:18<pep_>after recovering
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16:20<towo`>nvidia from experimental does not break the system
16:20<towo`>your problem is optimus
16:20<pep_>well I had issue with libpango-1.0-0
16:20<towo`>and optimus works over bumblebee
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16:20<pep_>and it was on a system without optimus
16:21<pep_>(it seems to be a recent bug, since i used exeprimental on other computer without issue since more than 6 month)
16:21<pep_>I had issue when initramfs was trying to be generated.
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16:23<pep_>in a way this is not nvidia exeprimenatal that break the system but dependencies on libpango that needed to be updated
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16:24<pep_>I've seen this:
16:24<pep_>http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2013/04/msg00113.html
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16:25<pep_>is it possible to acces the git of the .deb?
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16:25<pep_>because kernel 3.9 should be easy, xrandr 1.4 is available and the only missing is xorg >= 1.13
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16:26<pep_>towo`: i'll try to test bumblebee tomorrow anyway
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17:35<mcr-credil>We just fixed a local debian mirror, it had broken. Is there a way to mix apt-mirror and debtorrent such that we seed things we have, but don't fetch on demand, and ideally, try to mirror via torrent first?
17:35<mcr-credil>We aren't able to be a public mirror, but would like to help.
17:35<mcr-credil>(mostly, we aren't reliable enough to be a public mirror... it's an R&E network with lots of uplink though)
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18:24<cae>mcr-credil: probably a weired way, but you could feed your existing data to a temporary apt-cacher-ng instance (that does have inport support) and then do apt-mirror -o Acquire::http::Proxy 'http://acng:3142/'
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18:27<cae>(in case you want to have a complete repo... but I think I've read your question wrong, you rather want to seed just the not-broken data)
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18:55<habstinat>I can't seem to get sound to work on my Wheezy laptop (mips64el). When I try to do "aplay /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts/bark.ogg", for example, I just get really ugly static. Any idea how to debug this?
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18:56<habstinat>The "beep" command also yeilds no sound output, even when I try with "beep -e /dev/input/eventX".
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18:57<retrospectacus>habstinat: I also get static with that file. Try /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
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18:57<mill>hello
18:57<Chav>I've chosen to disable ipv6 in-kernel in etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf. The ipv6 kernel modules are still loaded and in use. Can I reset the internet framework without a reboot so they'll die?
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18:58<retrospectacus>habstinat: the ogg files work for me with mplayer instead of aplay
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19:03<Chav>No way to re-initiate the internet subsystem without a reboot?
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19:22<Chav>Powertop on deb stable, testing and unstable is the same version, with a broken calibrate function. Is compiling my own fixed version my only solution?
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19:53<alexander>hi
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19:54<d3c0>!hi
19:54<dpkg>hello, d3c0
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19:54<alexander>hi
19:55<retrospectacus>hello again
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19:56<alexander>i need to know which version of debian 7 i have to download
19:56<alexander>i have Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU 2.53Gh
19:56<alexander>it is good a 64 bit?
19:57<retrospectacus>yes the amd64 is suitable
19:57<alexander>ok thanks a lot
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19:58<d3c0>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso
19:58<d3c0>;
19:58<d3c0>:0 hes gone xD
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19:59<retrospectacus>he'll figure it out
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20:36<patwotrik>i'm trying to record a spotify stream in audacity but everytime it stops in a couple of seconds
20:36<patwotrik>anyone?
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21:23<MichaelP>is the ati video drivers in the wheezy repo ?
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21:33<OldSoldier>MichaelP, xserver-xorg-video-ati
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21:34<MichaelP>OldSoldier, don't want the free... what the ati catalyst
21:37<OldSoldier>if you dont want the free you wont get them from main
21:37<themill>dpkg: tell MichaelP about fglrx
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21:40<MichaelP>themill, synaptic is not showing fglrx
21:40<themill>MichaelP: as dpkg said, you need to enable non-free
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21:44<MichaelP>Thanks got it
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21:59<jmgresham>hi
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22:22<Xeppo>Hi all - slight problem with SLIM
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22:22<Xeppo>I'm not getting slim to start when I boot the PC
22:22<Xeppo>startx works fine
22:23<Xeppo> /var/log/slim.log has a bunch of X server related errors
22:25<Xeppo>slim: waiting for X server to begin accepting connections. Giving up. slim: unable to connect to X server
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