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00:21<d3c0>!ciao
00:21<dpkg>well, ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter.
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00:22<Hariharan_>Hi all, I am new to debian. I have downloaded complete DVD for s390x architecture. I have also mounted ISO on a system were ftp is enabled.
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00:22<Hariharan_>If I try to install it initial fetches some files successfully and later it say bad mirror and change the mirror location.
00:23<Hariharan_>Any help will be great here
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00:26<themill>wow! A real s390 user!
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00:27<Hariharan_>I was able to install via mirror site's
00:28<Hariharan_>how ever the same is not possible with my local repo or DVD mounted on other system. I am not sure if I am doing some mistake
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02:09<matthew14>hey?
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02:36<guddu>yo
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03:16<dex>hi everybody, I got a problem with debian. When I start the computer and select Debian to run, it doesn't load everything and the screen keeps black, no HDD reads, its like if it was frozen, then I have to reboot manually the computer and try again, what's going on?
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03:17<somiaj>dex: so after you select debian from grub? (is that your boot loader) you see nothing?
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03:18<jm_>or do you mean the installer?
03:18<dex>I see some lines it stops when it says waiting for dev to be populated or sth like that
03:19<dex>and I always get an error message in the first line, sth that has to do with iomem size
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03:19<somiaj>dex: have you tried to boot from a debian install cd with the resuce option
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03:20<somiaj>dex: that will boot off the debian kernel and you point it at the root filesystem of your debian install. (that will test if it is a booting/kernel issue)
03:20<dex>no i have not
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03:20<somiaj>hit f2,f3, etc on the debian install boot (for instructions)
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03:21<somiaj>I think you want to type something like resuce root=/dev/sda2 (or what ever your root device actually is)
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03:21<dex>yes sda2 is where i installed grub
03:21<somiaj>so you installed grub on sda2 (not on sda)?
03:21<somiaj>maybe that is your problem, you are trying to boot off an old grub
03:22<dex>aha
03:22<somiaj>(though installing it on sda2 would work just fine provided your major bootloader works correctly)
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03:22<somiaj>it is just suggest you install grub on the mbr of the actual disk (not the partition)
03:22<dex>ok
03:22<jm_>!fixmbr
03:22<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
03:23<dex>ok thank u
03:24<dex>target is /dev/sda?
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03:24<jm_>only for grub-install
03:25<somiaj>dex: you can avoid most of those commands if you juse look at resuce mode
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03:26<dex>ok, if it is easier i would do rescue mode
03:27<somiaj>it saves a bunch of little things. Though it requires you have a debian install medium to boot from
03:27<somiaj>the method in the bot wll work from any liveCD
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03:27<dex>yes, i got the live cd
03:28<dex>is there any way to check if I installed grub on sda2 instead of sda?
03:28<somiaj>the live cd may not have a resuce mode, in that case read the factoid to mount everything.
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03:31<dex>i remember i didn't change the default partition to install grub during installation, and I think that default partition is sda, isn't it?
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03:36<somiaj>yea
03:36<jm_>it should be, but several people reported a bug where grub is installed on USB disk installer is run from instead of the real disk (can happen if /dev/sda is not your actual target)
03:37<somiaj>again I'm just trying to think of what could be the problem. I would still like you to try to use the debian install resuce mode
03:37<dex>i got the same error when i installed debian i386
03:37<somiaj>that way you can see if your install is fine and it is just your grub causing issues
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03:39<dex>ok i'll try to do it, I'm don't know too much about this, but i'll have a go on it
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03:40<dex>brb
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03:50<dex>hi, i've tried rescue mode, and install grub on /dev/sda, it has rebooted ok, but i will have to check in the next few days if everything is all right
03:51<dex>debian works great on my computer, it is much faster than other distros, everything runs smooth, no lags
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03:53<somiaj>dex: good, glad it worked out for ya
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03:53<dex>yes, than you all for everything. u all have been very nice
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04:39<azagael>i enabled HTML5 for my iceweasel at youtube on wheezy yesterday, but today it runs all videos in the standard iceweasel player. how to fix?
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04:43<jm_>azagael: isn't that "set" via a cookie? perhaps your browser forgot it
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04:44<azagael>i dont know.
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04:45<jm_>you're better off asking this in some other channel I guess - it's not really debian specific/related
04:46<azagael>what channel do i go to then?
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04:47<jm_>i have no idea, maybe start with #html
04:47<azagael>thanks
04:47<jm_>perhaps also check what it says here http://www.youtube.com/html5
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04:58<azagael>jm_ did u mean the #html in the OFTC server?
04:59<jm_>azagael: perhaps check on freenode instead
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05:04<azagael>jm_: will d
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05:05<eoo>isit possible to create a minimal debian (via debbootstrap), and then convert it to a live cd
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05:06<jm_>eoo: in theory yes, see the bootcd package, then there's debian live
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05:08<eoo>jm_: i want to use squashfs, does bootcd support it
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05:13<jm_>eoo: apparently not, but it does support iso9660 compression
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05:57<azagael>does anybody know why HTML5 doesnt work with all youtube videos?
06:00<cae>azagael: ask youtube. I'd assume that a) advertisements or b) non HTML5 compatible codecs are the reason
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06:03<musca>azagael: youtube-dl <http://some-youtube-url> -q -o - | mplayer -
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06:35<mongrol>hmm
06:35<aidalgol>I find cclive more reliable.
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07:20<azagael>how do you check for what aptitude version you have? iam using wheezy
07:20<daemonkeeper>dpkg -l aptitude
07:20<dpkg>ii aptitude 2.2-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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07:23<azagael>thank you daemonkeeper
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07:45<pgimeno>My list of recently used documents has disappeared when I updated to Wheezy. Is there any way to restore it?
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07:50<gosu>hi, what do i see in the folders of the project can see .htaccess files ??
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07:52<somiaj>gosu: what do you mean? Do you want to see hidden files with say 'ls -a' or some file manager?
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07:52<somiaj>gosu: if it is a file manager, configure your file manager to show hidden files
07:52<gosu>in standar debian file menager
07:53<azagael>can somebody please take a look at this for me and tell me what the problem is? http://paste.debian.net/7031/
07:53<bold>when i run pppoeconf i get the error "sorry, I scanned 1 interface,but the acess concentrator of your provider did not respond. please check your network and modem cables. another reason for the scan failure may be another running pppoe process which controlls the modem."
07:53<somiaj>gosu: Do you mean nautilus (I wouldn't say debian has a standard file manager). Look up how to show hidden files in the filemanager you use.
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07:54<mbentley>azagael: that mirror appears to be offline
07:56<mbentley>azagael: i would say offline or incomplete. try another official mirror http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
07:56<somiaj>azagael: you should also comment out the deb-cdrom sources in /etc/apt/sources.list. As for untrusted versions, you may want to try another mirror (not sure what is wrong and why only some of the packages are untrusted). Care to share you /etc/apt/sources.list
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07:57<azagael>somiaj: you want to see whats in my sources.list?
07:57<bold>how to configure ethernet to connect to internet?
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08:00<somiaj>azagael: it would be helpful
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08:01<azagael>pm, somiaj
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08:03<somiaj>azagael: yea, comment out the deb-cdrom line (not needed) and then listen to mbentley. The mirror you are using is not on the offical list, I would use one that is.
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08:06<azagael>thanks somiaj & mbentley
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08:06<mbentley>sure, np azagael. sounds like it is working then i take it
08:07<azagael>yes its working :)
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08:18<azagael>lol
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08:25<azagael>does anybody know why my HTML5 isnt working on youtube? it just uses the default player installed, i have HTML5 enabled
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08:28<Daniel0>did you try http://www.youtube.com/html5 ?
08:29<somiaj>azagael: not all videos support html5 on youtube. have you tried other videos?
08:29<somiaj>and yes you have to tell youtube to use it as your default (when available)
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08:31<azagael>somiaj: you're right, it works on other videos. the default player wont play videos at 720p+, do you maybe know the solution for this problem?
08:31<somiaj>nope, and by default player I assume you mean flash-nonfree?
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08:31<somiaj>Have you thought about maybe using the youtube-dl script and then playing them in your faviorte player?
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08:35<grammoboy>how long does it take for a package (python 3.3.) to go from experimental to unstable?
08:35<somiaj>grammoboy: when it is ready
08:35<azagael>how do i use this youtube-dl script?
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08:35<somiaj>azagael: just install that package, then read the man page and youtube-dl help
08:36<somiaj>or -h
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08:36<somiaj>grammoboy: there is no automatic transition from experimential to unstable. Some packages there may never make it to unstable
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08:37<somiaj>grammoboy: when the matianer deems that the package is ready for unstable he will upload a new package (or that same one) there.
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08:39<somiaj>azagael: please do not message me. Use paste.debian.net if you want to paste stuff
08:39<somiaj>,v youtube-dl
08:39<judd>Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2012.09.27+dfsg1-1; sid: 2012.09.27+dfsg1-1
08:39<somiaj>seems the script is not in wheezy. It is just a script, the verion from sid should be installable on wheezy
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08:41<azagael>so how do i get the youtube-dl script for sid?
08:41<somiaj>azagael: http://packages.debian.org/sid/youtube-dl -- download the deb from there and install it. (note installing sid packages is usually a bad idea, this is a rare case it is not because it is just a python script)
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08:44<azagael>thanks somiaj
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09:10<ois>I am trying to debug a debconf script. After a value has been entered by the user (with 'db_input'), a subsequent call to 'db_input' does not ask the question anymore, thus making very difficult to debug the script. Is it possible to either kind of 'remove' the previous response, or to force db_input to ask again?
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09:21<ois>got it: just call 'db_reset'
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10:19<chvx>would you recommend debian for me? i think i got enough experience for using apt-get
10:20<daemonkeeper>Why not?
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10:20<daemonkeeper>Debian is not hard(er). It just leaves you the freedom of choice where other distros decide what's good for you.
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10:22<stderr>What does "enough experience for using apt-get" mean? You know how to log in as root? Congrats! :-)
10:22<chvx>yea :]
10:23<musca>!choice
10:23<dpkg>hmm... choice is consists of that mental process of thinking involved with the process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one for action. Simple examples can involve deciding whether to get up in the morning or go back to sleep, or selecting a given route to make a journey across a country. Philosophically, having choice implies the existence of free will and the antithesis of fate, chance and predestination.
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10:25<chvx>i think some distros are bloated was thinking about getting debian
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10:25<musca>!various cd1
10:25<dpkg>There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for XFCE and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE CD-1 of Debian 7.0 "Wheezy", you'd grab -> debian-7.0.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>.
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10:26<stderr>chvx: I doubt you'll find anyone in here, who would disagree with that decision.
10:27<slacy>how can i do subnetting with IPv6
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10:28<chvx>stderr: ok, is testing safe to use, cus i using a distro right now that are based on debian testing?
10:28<stderr>slacy: The usual way... What do you mean?
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10:29<slacy>stderr: dats it
10:30<stderr>chvx: Personally I usually stick with stable. I only upgraded to wheezy (then testing) a couple of months before it became stable.
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10:31<chvx>i havent installed debian before but is it possible to install it beside another linux distro?
10:31<musca>chvx: what do you expect to be better than your actual distro?
10:32<theriorslide>is there anyone here who installed gnome 2 on debian wheezy ? :-s .. or for gnome 2 the better way is to stay at squeeze ?
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10:33<stderr>chvx: You can have / for one distro. on one partition and / for Debian on another, if you want to. Stuff like /home, /tmp and /var/tmp can usually be shared between them. (Just make sure you use the same ids for the various users.)
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10:35<chvx>musca: i dont know really :/
10:36<chvx>stderr: like labels?
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10:37<stderr>Like user "chvx" has userid# 1000 and so on.
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10:39<chvx>musca: just thinking that, the distro that using right now LMDE, which is debian testing based was thinking getting the stable debian cus much other tell me should stick with the stable one
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10:52<chvx>the stable is the way to go right?
10:52<daemonkeeper>If you have to ask, yes.
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11:11<doubledutch>Urxvt.termName: rxvt-256color in .Xresources and $ set $TERM=rxvt-256color
11:12<doubledutch>and $ set TERM=rxvt-256color but $ echo $TERM still comes back with rxvt-unicode-256color
11:12<doubledutch>After about a week of uptime, I went to reboot my machine and urxvt/xterm was no longer zenburn theme - stock colors.
11:15<haylo|cgraf>I think there is likely a better way to set that. But an example for setting environment variables: export dogfish=frogbutts && echo $dogfish
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11:18<haylo|cgraf>likely there is a better way to dictate that default behaviour than forcing an environment variable *
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11:29<chvx>is using devlopment version of a software the same as using unstable version of debian?
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11:33<akulah>hello all, i have a question for you guys
11:34<akulah>i am trying to install sid using a mini iso but my sata disk get detected as /dev/sde to /dev/sdg
11:35<towo`>and?
11:35<akulah>I am installing grub to the /dev/sdg device but the system won't boot, i have to chroot to the system and reinstall it
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11:35<chvx>menarv program som är development
11:35<chvx>ops sorry wrong tab
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11:35<akulah>is that normal? or is it a bug
11:35<akulah>?
11:35<towo`>what is sda?
11:36<akulah>sda is the empty card reader
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11:37<akulah>i don't understand, i have installed debian using neinst cd since forever and it never happened before, it is only doing this using the mini.iso
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12:00<stderr>Does any of the bots have something similar to "pciid", but for USB? judd went silent on me when I tried "usbid". :-/
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12:09<Rewop>Could anyone help me? I installed firmware to atheros ar7010+ar9287 but I can't use this device.
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12:11<retrospectacus>Rewop: what is your device (line from "lspci -nn" please) and can you see the interface in "ifconfig -a" ?
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12:18<Rewop>lsusb: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0cf3:7015 Atheros Communications, Inc. TP-Link TL-WN821N v3 802.11n [Atheros AR7010+AR9287]
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12:19<retrospectacus>!ath9k_htc
12:19<dpkg>ath9k_htc is a Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc
12:19<Rewop>Thanks i will check it
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12:21<Rewop>i downloaded this http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-atheros
12:21<Rewop>and nothing
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12:21<retrospectacus>Rewop: follow the wiki link there for ath9k_htc
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12:22<retrospectacus>Rewop: (use the "non-free firmware" method)
12:23<Rewop>this method no need Internet conection?
12:23<retrospectacus>no you do need internet
12:24<Rewop>but I don't have Internet :(
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12:25<retrospectacus>then you should be able to install using the firmware-atheros.deb you mentioned. How did that go?
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12:27<Rewop>This package don't help after shutdown
12:28<retrospectacus>Rewop: that is not useful information. What did you do and what happened?
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12:31<Rewop>I open firmware-atheros_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb by 'package installation"
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12:32<retrospectacus>Rewop: what is the output of "dpkg -l firmware-atheros" now?
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12:33<Rewop>i can check but it will take some minutes
12:33<Rewop>brb
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12:41<Hitan_92>ciao
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12:50<WaziK>Cześć, czy ktoś mógł by mi pomóc? Mam katalog z obrazkami w Symony/Obrazki i chce się do niego dostać z poziomu twiga
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12:50<daemonkeeper>!cz
12:50<dpkg>i heard cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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13:06<Crow_>hey folks, how do I configure the screensaver in latest Debian ? not seeing it in the preferences...
13:06<Crow_>this is kind of embarassing because I used to be a debian developer ages ago....
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13:06<retrospectacus>Crow_: what screensaver is it?
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13:07<Crow_>retro: gnome-screensaver
13:07<retrospectacus>no idea then. I use xscreensaver
13:07<Crow_>ahh yeah i should switch to that too
13:07<Nemoder_>isn't there a *screensaver-command program
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13:08<Crow_>Nemoder; yeah it doesnt let you configure it
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13:09<Crow_>retro: how do I configure xscreensaver to run instead of gnome screensaver?
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13:11<retrospectacus>Crow_: looks like having it installed will make xsession just use it instead.
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13:12<retrospectacus>Crow_: hmm not sure actually. I am using xfce4
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13:13<Crow_>retro: cool thanks!
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13:14<retrospectacus>(I read /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc and it runs xscreensaver in preference to g-s)
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13:17<Crow_>ill give it a try, i read that i can add xscreensaver to the startup apps in gnome
13:17<Crow_>have a good one! Peace
13:17<retrospectacus>ISTR doing that in the past
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13:19<strangelemon>Hi, not sure if this is a bug or well known or a feature, but ever since I've had debian on my laptop, this has happened: if I move the cursor using my USB mouse while simultaneously holding down a key on my keyboard, the cursor stutters (moves unevenly). If I move the cursor using the trackpad while holding down a key, the movement is smooth. It seems like it's unable to process the two inputs at once, if one of them is coming from the u
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13:25<SynrG>strangelemon: too long. your story is truncated at "coming from the u" ...
13:25<strangelemon>It seems like it's unable to process the two inputs at once, if one of them is coming from the usb mouse. Please let me know if this is the right place to ask about this, thanks!
13:25<strangelemon>thanks SynrG
13:25<SynrG>and i've never heard of that problem.
13:26<SynrG>i have a hard time seeing that as a "feature" though :)
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13:27<SynrG>if i were you, i'd start with logs to see if there's anything funky, collect as much info as i can, and file a bug. might be worth spending some time looking at bugs.d.o for an already filed bug first ... but it would be hard to say where the bug would be filed
13:27<strangelemon>basically the cursor 'nearly' freezes while keyboard keys are pressed down, while the touchpad is able to move the cursor with no problems...
13:27<SynrG>maybe on the kernel? maybe on xorg? dunno.
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13:28<SynrG>which cursor stutters, the mouse pointer or the text cursor?
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13:30<SynrG>and if the latter, can it be reproduced if you shutdown X entirely and just try in console? (with nothing actually reading the mouse events, there's no guarantee it would reproduce the issue, but it would certainly be interesting and maybe point at a kernel issue if the stuttering happened there too)
13:30<SynrG>as for logs to check: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, ~/.xsession-errors, /var/log/syslog ...
13:30<SynrG>dmesg
13:30<strangelemon>SynrG: I mean the mouse pointer. It is unable to move evenly if a keyboard key is pressed down.
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13:31<SynrG>i am unable to reproduce the issue on the system i'm currently on, in any case.
13:32<SynrG>so, no, this is not "normal" behaviour
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13:32<SynrG>(granted, we have two sample sizes of one each, so it's hard to generalize :)
13:32<strangelemon>I've combed through dmesg (to the extent that that's possible), and can't see anything suspicious, I will try the other logs now
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13:33<strangelemon>Do you think it could be related to the fact that both my laptop's trackpad and my usb mouse are recognised as mice simultaneously? maybe there's a way to disable the touchpad?
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13:35<SynrG>all things are possible
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13:36<strangelemon>hmm, there are a lot of messages related to mouseemu, which is a daemon to emulate middle mouse click on my trackpad, which I don't really need. I'll try disabling it...
13:36<SynrG>synclient TouchpadOff=1
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13:36<SynrG>depends on the desktop environment ...
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13:36<SynrG>i think gnome may try to actively force it back on again
13:36<SynrG>can't remember.
13:36<strangelemon>oh my god that fixed it!
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13:37<SynrG>huh. that's interesting
13:37<SynrG>maybe that will hone your search for an existing bug?
13:37<strangelemon>I uninstalled mouseemu, (which I guess was a dependency or recommended for something cause I don't remember installing it), and suddenly it's fixed.
13:37<SynrG>ahh
13:38<strangelemon>erm well if someone is suffering for this I would love to tell them to get rid of mouseemu, I will do some searches.
13:38<SynrG>one of the stated purposes of the package is:
13:38<SynrG> - block trackpad while typing
13:38<SynrG>there is the 'syndaemon' package for that if you need it.
13:38<SynrG>or else GNOME might actually have a separate knob for that
13:38<SynrG>i doon't recall
13:38<SynrG>don't*
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13:39<strangelemon>(not on Gnome). Hmm, looks like that was a 'feature'?
13:40<SynrG>i don't see *anything* (currently) that depends on mouseemu
13:40<lostatwork>there is setting for that in mouse settings in gnome settings
13:40<lostatwork>i use that particular setting on my laptop
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13:40<SynrG>ya
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13:41<SynrG>so one possibility there is you have "warring" daemons ...
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13:41<strangelemon>What I did was reinstalled mouseemu (sounds vaguely useful so maybe I got it for a reason), and edited /etc/default/mouseemu to disable the keyboard locking feature.
13:41<SynrG>mouseemu fights with something else for control
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13:43<strangelemon>most of the comments on this bug on launchpad.net are along the lines of "killall mouseemu fixed my problem, wtf is mouseemu?"
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13:43<SynrG>heh
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13:44<SynrG>strangelemon: no corresponding debian bug?
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13:45<rickbol>strangelemon: i don't know mouseemu, but it might be mouse emulation (middle button emulation = press both mouse buttons si,ulataneously)
13:45<strangelemon>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=mouseemu < don't think it's among these.
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13:45<doubledutch>I reinstalled rxvt-unicode-256color and lost my zenburn color theme Xresources says my $TERM is rxvt-256color and I don't know what has changed.
13:45<rickbol>comes in hand when pasting text into certain terminals
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13:46<xubuntu>всем привет
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13:46<strangelemon>xubuntu: #debian-russian ?
13:47<Supaplex>!ru
13:47<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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13:48<xubuntu>#debian-russian
13:48<strangelemon>SynrG: I still can't tell if this is a bug, or a feature, so I guess I won't file a debian bug.
13:48<doubledutch>http://paste.debian.net/7105/ is my .Xresources
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13:50<Supaplex>strangelemon: undocumented features are the best.
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13:52<strangelemon>Supaplex: well now I can see that typing-block is listed in man mouseemu. The hard part was finding the responsible package. it probably shouldn't be on by default though.
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13:53<Supaplex>:) never heard of mouseemu.
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13:54<Supaplex>interesting. what's least suprise for you is a lot of suprise for another. defaults are weird that way.
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13:55<Supaplex>My trackpad tweaked me off so much, I unplugged the cable internally.
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13:55<lostatwork>i do not have mouseemu installed on my laptop and it is wheezy only a few weeks old
13:55<lfaraone>Is there an easy test to run to see if I've applied new kernel updates and need to reboot to apply them?
13:56<strangelemon>New development: the reason I had mouseemu installed was because the screen backlight control buttons on my laptop do not work without it (what)
13:56<Supaplex>lfaraone: ls /boot | grep -v `uname -r` (for starters)
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13:57<Supaplex>but by update you mean the same release... probably comparing file dates.
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14:41<fedelibre>hi, there! I need a tip for downgrading a package
14:41<fedelibre>I'm on debian unstable but I need texinfo 4.13, which is packaged in stable
14:41<Airwave>pastebinit seems to only output "http://paste.debian.net/" as the URL for the paste.
14:41<fedelibre>better pinning or manually download the .deb?
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14:43<daemonkeeper>Airwave: That's pastebinit's way to tell you, your paste was too large.
14:43<Airwave>daemonkeeper: I piped "echo test" to it...
14:44<roughnecks>too short then
14:44<Airwave>$ echo test | pastebinit
14:44<roughnecks>at least 3 lines iirc
14:45<Airwave>roughnecks: Three lines did it. Seems like a strange restriction.
14:46<roughnecks>2 or less lines have not much sense, you can freely paste them on irc too
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14:46<Airwave>"Thanks to some spammers you need to provide at least 3 or two linebreaks" is the output when I try to make it in my browser. A similar output from pastebinit would be nice.
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14:48<roughnecks>probably, yes
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14:49<jkf>fedelibre: you need 2 steps
14:49<jkf>1) apt-cache policy texinfo
14:49<jkf>2) aptitude install texinfo=4.13a.dfsg.1-10 (in my case)
14:49<eoo>how come my theme doesnt work on many applications
14:49<eoo>but only on system ones
14:49<eoo>(ie synaptic
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14:51<iway>hello, it is not a good idea to mix apt-get and aptitude, if i start using aptitude i should stick with it right?
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14:52<daemonkeeper>That's your grandad's myth.
14:52<fedelibre>jkf: I have only sid and experimental in my sources.list, so apt-cache shows only 5.1
14:53<Airwave>iway: Mixing is fine.
14:53<iway>thx Airwave
14:53<fedelibre>jkf: my concern is mixing too many "archives"
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14:53<Airwave>Aptitude is better though.
14:55<retrospectacus>I prefer apt-get
14:56<fedelibre>Airwave: I agree, especially since I have a superfast computer which makes searches with aptitude quick (it used to be a pain)
14:57<iway>Airwave: yes i prefer aptitude as well, but in a guide i've read this "if apt-get is not able to install... use aptitude (if you know what you are doing), and i don't :P
14:58<Airwave>iway: That's hogwash.
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15:01<jkf>fedelibre: Mixing or not mixing - only your own experience help here. Aptitude the best tool not to participate in analog of "RPM hell". Sure, knowbody install all 37 thousands of deb packages, but if you want manual installations be ready to resolve 'em (carefully). Try manual download of required version from Debian Packages. IMHO, better mix deb versions and use aptitude+apt-listbugs+apt-listchanges.
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15:05<retrospectacus>Airwave: re pastebinit size, bug 679650
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15:07<haylo|cgraf>is there a way to determine if i am running out of disk space, and be wanred to attatch another disk? i dont want to test for the condition really because that is resource intensive
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15:08<haylo|cgraf>some kind of magic, that i had not heard about perhaps.
15:08<retrospectacus>"df" doesn't seem too resource intensive to me
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15:09<haylo|cgraf>is it reasonable to have df testing something like that constantly ? like from /etc/cron.d/ ?
15:09<Airwave>retrospectacus: Thank you for letting be know about the filed bug report.
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15:10<retrospectacus>haylo|cgraf: every hour or day would be fine I think. maybe not "constantly"...
15:10<retrospectacus>my daily backups run "df" at the end and I get an email if it's getting full
15:10<haylo|cgraf>right. that is reasonable. thanks retrospectacus
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15:11<retrospectacus>sure
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15:16<Buumi>What's the recommended way to get newer kernel on Wheezy at the moment? Looks like the official backport is not yet available, so would the backporting from testing/sid like any other package work?
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15:19<mbentley>Buumi: that is what i would do
15:20<haylo|cgraf>Buumi: i think its fine to just download the .deb and install with it dpkg as well. thats probably more recommended than adding sources from sid or experimental
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15:21<mbentley>Buumi: looks like you will have to go to sid to get a newer kernel than 3.2.41-2 at the moment
15:22<Buumi>haylo|cgraf, : Does that way work in a bit longer run also, so that those kernels keep working even when sid gets more and more different from Wheezy?
15:22<fedelibre>jkf: you convinced me :) just downgraded using apt (and pinned the package to 4.13)
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15:24<Buumi>mbentley: yes, indeed it looks so, that's not a problem though
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15:24<haylo|cgraf>Buumi: at the bottom of the page http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/linux-image-3.8-2-amd64
15:24<mbentley>Buumi: you would not get package updates installing it manually with dpkg
15:24<haylo|cgraf>im not saying you should use them, but there they are
15:25<Buumi>mbentley: yes, but if I did keep updating them myself from binaries
15:25<mbentley>Buumi: but yes, technically speaking, it will work just fine.
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15:27<Buumi>Right, I'll try that and if problems occur then I'll try backporting it if there's still no official backport available. Thanks for both of you
15:28<strangelemon>anyone know when it'll be in jessie?
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15:29<jkf>fedelibre: That's right. Trust me 8-) Many times aptitude was very helpful. Apt-get better on slow machines only.
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15:36<david-e>I've installed wheezy on my macbook and keyboard stops working all of a sudden. I disconnect/reconnect the usb mouse and it starts working again. here's dmesg http://pastebin.com/Df4QN6f3
15:36<lyker>witam Panów
15:37<david-e>usb 5-1: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd hid2hci rqt 64 rq 0 len 0 ret -75
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15:38<retrospectacus>!polish
15:38<dpkg>[polish] spoken in #debian.pl on irc.freenode.net (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl
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15:45<bullgard4>The command caff does not send an email to the intended recipient. How can I check if there is installed a mail server on my Debian computer?
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15:48<retrospectacus>bullgard4: there is, guaranteed. Run "dpkg -S $(which sendmail)" to see which package it is
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15:48<Guest103>hi anybody here involved in debian live developement
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15:49<retrospectacus>Guest103: try #debian-live
15:49<Guest103>oh ok sorry not too sure of my way around thx
15:49<retrospectacus>no worries
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15:53<Guest103>retrospectacus, nobody there by the looks of things anyway just as a matter of interest are you involved in any developement ?
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15:54<retrospectacus>Guest103: there are 70 people there (though they may not be awake) and no, not for Debian. Just a user
15:55<retrospectacus>Guest103: you should ask a real question
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15:56<Guest103>you are right sorry just always admired the people who spend so much time on developement
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16:01<bullgard4>retrospectacus: '~$ LANG=C dpkg -S $(which sendmail): dpkg-query: error: --search needs at least one file name pattern argument.'
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16:18<knoppix_>hola
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17:01<ThaJaCkal>Evning all!
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17:01<ThaJaCkal>I'm looking for some help converting my Debian 7.0 distro to a NAS :) In the direction of file access...
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17:03<ThaJaCkal>I want a group to have full access to a folder and guests to have read. I guess the easiest way to acomplish this is to set samba to rights to read/write and limit the rights in the linux file system?
17:03<ThaJaCkal>All help is deeply appriciated :)
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17:05<OldSoldier>dpkg tell ThaJaCkal about SAMBA
17:05<ThaJaCkal>:)
17:06<OldSoldier>there should be some good links there. I don't do samba anymore.. been years since I played with it
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17:07<ThaJaCkal>ok.. it all cooks down to file permission.. damn thing.. I want to be able to access my box without mapping disks to get permission..
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17:10<OldSoldier>if you set the rights to read write in samba, samba users will be able to read and write...
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17:10<ThaJaCkal>But that will not follow into the file system?
17:10<OldSoldier>better to set samba to read only then manage your files though ssh scp etc...
17:11<ThaJaCkal>Yeah.. explain that to the misses and the kids :)
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17:11<ThaJaCkal>It's all about "Ease of access"
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17:12<OldSoldier>well they need authentication if you want them to be the only ones that can write
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17:12<OldSoldier>setting that up is on you :)
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17:13<ThaJaCkal>The plan would be to create one group that contains me and the misses, and one for the kids.
17:14<OldSoldier>then set the kids to read only (assuming you want to keep them from mucking around in the file system)
17:14<ThaJaCkal>I get to read/write the files if i give 777 on the filesystem and guest on samba. But that isnt exactly what i want, not very safe :P
17:14<OldSoldier>if you group they need to map/log in whatever
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17:15<ThaJaCkal>I created a group "adults" and one "kids", but the problem is when they log in from their windows boxes, their login name wont follow..
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17:16<ThaJaCkal>in the new version of Win8 and online accounts every account is "someone@somedomainonline.com"
17:16<ThaJaCkal>that cludders things
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17:17<OldSoldier>sounds like maybe you would get better help in #samba, I personally think you are better off just giveing guests read only and managing files from a linux system or through scch scp etc
17:17<OldSoldier>s/scch/ssh
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17:19<OldSoldier>sorry I can't be of more help but the folks there are probably more familiar with the win 8 compatibility issues
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17:45<anto>anybody running a wannabuild environment ?
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18:47<habstinat>I can't seem to get backports working (using the Debian mipsel port) -- when I add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main" to my sources.list and apt-get update I get, "E: Type 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main' is not known on line 9 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list". Any ideas?
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18:48<habstinat>I am running Wheezy right now; cat /etc/debian_version yeilds "7.0".
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18:48<retrospectacus>remove the "quotes"
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18:49<habstinat>retrospectacus: Those were only added in my message; here's a pastebin of my sources file: <http://sprunge.us/hhiI>
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18:50<habstinat>The fact that I'm on mipsel shouldn't have anything to do with this, right?
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18:51<retrospectacus>are you sure? That's exactly the error I got when I put quotes there, and it works fine without
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18:52<habstinat>retrospectacus: Positive; I ran "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" to generate that pastebin message so there couldn't have been any tampering
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18:54<habstinat>retrospectacus: Because I'm paranoid, I just ran: grep /etc/apt/sources.list -e \"
18:54<habstinat>And got no output, so that confirms it
18:55<retrospectacus>you are right; hang on
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18:58<retrospectacus>habstinat: I don't know how it happened or why I can't visually see it but your line has UTF M-BM- for spaces
19:00<habstinat>retrospectacus: You're right! I copy/pasted that from the official Debian webpage and I guess the weird spaces carried over. Fixed now.
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19:01<habstinat>That seems to happen every time I copy/paste text over from NetSurf; maybe I should file a bug later
19:01<retrospectacus>they carried over when I copied them from this ssh+screen+irc too
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19:02<retrospectacus>habstinat: what URL is it?
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19:03<habstinat>retrospectacus: <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/>, but it might just be my browser (NetSurf)
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19:04<retrospectacus>it's OK here (chromium)
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19:04<chvx>is it possible to go from LMDE to Debian?
19:05<chvx>without reinstalling
19:05<daemonkeeper>Probably not.
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19:05<retrospectacus>chvx: we can't stop you from trying but it's not recommended or supported
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19:07<chvx>retrospectacus: ok thanks. my computer have turned off lately randomly and with LMDE and i was thinking off switching
19:08<retrospectacus>keeping /home and installing debian on / should be fine(ish)
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19:11<chvx>retrospectacus: is the hybrid graphic card supported? i got a laptop with intel, and Nvidia
19:12<retrospectacus>!optimus
19:12<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged in <testing>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
19:12<chvx>i thought myself that would be the problem
19:12<chvx>why its turning off, but i need to get a clean install :)
19:13<chvx>can i use that if i still using debian stable?
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19:14<retrospectacus>I think no.
19:15<retrospectacus>I'm not familiar at all, I just know how to make the robot tell you things
19:15<chvx>retrospectacus: haha ok :)
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19:19<chvx>is lvm useful for me?
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19:20<chvx>i thought to ask it before i installing debian
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19:21<retrospectacus>chvx: only you know the answer to that. Read up on it (it is not something you should use if you don't know what it is or how to manage it)
19:22<chvx>haha ok, thx
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19:33<OrangeTanger>How do i get openvpn not to try to connect on boot?
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19:34<chvx>retrospectacus: but i mean, i could compile it :)
19:35<retrospectacus>compile what?
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19:37<chvx>retrospectacus: bumblebee :)
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19:41<retrospectacus>chvx: you probably could (/msg dpkg ssb for directions)
19:43<chvx>who is that?
19:44<retrospectacus>the factoid robot
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19:44<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell chvx about dpkgbot
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20:01<cae>OrangeTanger: # echo 'AUTOSTART=none' >>/etc/default/openvpn
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20:01<OrangeTanger>cae: thank you.
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20:02<cae>OrangeTanger: manual starting should go via # /etc/init.d/openvpn myvpnconf start or ...start myvpnconf
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20:36<maher77>hi
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22:46<bennis>when i boot debian-live-cd-1 from usb it doesn't work. I presume this is because i should be using something else. Is my presumtion correct and what am i lookin' for?
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23:37<bullgard4>The packages exim4, exim4-base, exim4-config, exim4-daemon-light are installed (automatically). What is a simple function test to see if Exim4 is working?
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23:39<detrout>bullgard4: something like /usr/sbin/exim4 -bt <address>
23:39<detrout>also telnet localhost 25
23:43<bullgard4>detrout: '$ telnet localhost 25; Trying 127.0.0.1...; Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 T61 ESMTP Exim 4.80 Wed, 29 May 2013 05:41:19 +0200.' - So I believe that this simple function test was successful.
23:44<detrout>Yes.
23:44<bullgard4>Thank you.
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23:45<detrout>you can use netstat --inet -a to see if its listening on more than localhost. Whether or not you want that depends on your purpose
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