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00:03<bullgard4>detrout: '~$ netstat --inet -a' output includes the 2 lines: "tcp 0 0 localhost:smtp *:* LISTEN" and "tcp 0 0 localhost:smtp localhost:37472 TIME_WAIT." -- My purpose is to find out why the intended recipient of my command '~$ caff 1A571DF5' did not receive an e-mail.
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00:05<detrout>bullgard4: take a look at exim4 -bt exim will tell you where it's going to try to deliver mail for that address
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00:08<detrout>bullgard4: also look in /var/log/exim4 for information about what exim was trying to do
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00:17<bullgard4>' ~$ LANG=C exim4 -bt; bash: exim4: Command not found.'
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00:34<ranix>Hi all, I'm having an obnoxious problem with xorg after updating to Wheezy from Squeeze. I have an intel 915 onboard graphics adapter and the highest resolution xrandr reports is 1600x1200, but I have a 1920x1080 monitor. Xrandr outputs an error "Failed to get size of gamma for output default" when I use it - I think my monitor is not sending EDID info. I'm using a VGA cable. I can't get X -configure to work either, so I have no way of g
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01:58<xiao>ni hao
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03:59<jlgaddis>Anyone familiar w/ an issue where after "finish partitioning and write changes to disk" the installer simply keeps "looping" and going right back into the partitioning step?
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03:59<jm_>no, does it print anything on tty3/tty4, wherever it prints stuff
04:02<jlgaddis>No errors or indications about why it's launching the partitioner again; just the logging that I would expect (LV created/mke2fs/"mounted filesystem..." for each LV)
04:02<jm_>and no kernel messages either?
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04:06<jlgaddis>Only thing logged by the kernel is that the filesystem (each of the LVs) was mounted; no error messages
04:08<jlgaddis>I've done this same exact type of installation many times and never ran into this issue. I'm beginning to wonder if it's not some new bug in the installer (I'm using the daily mini.iso so as to install unstable from scratch).
04:08<jm_>ok that should be the first thing you should mention - i.e. you're not using installer for stable
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04:12<jm_>try to check the BTS
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04:15<ubuntu-studio>what t hell is thissssss ??
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04:18<Calinou>ubuntu-studio: not #ubuntu
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04:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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04:20<ubuntu-studio>can u give me help.. calinou..
04:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:26<jlgaddis>jm_: Heh yeah, that's what I was doing... 558686 is similar, points to an issue (long since fixed) w/ parted, but that gives me a place to start. Thanks.
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04:33<jm_>jlgaddis: do you see kernel saying it reloaded part. table?
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04:34<xlotlu>my mouse stops responding right after logging into kde. it's not a mouse grab, and it gets fixed if i switch to a different vt and back; also if i disable/enable it with xinput. how does one go about debugging this?
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04:35<jm_>xlotlu: does it also happen without KDE?
04:35<xlotlu>jm_: didn't try. will do.
04:36<jlgaddis>jm_: Not in my scenario... I did change to "guided partitioning" (LVM/encryption/the whole disk) just to see if it was coming up w/ something different... and *then* it started throwing an error; something like "changes to the partitions have been written but unable to inform the kernel because the device is in use"
04:37<jm_>xlotlu: did you look in X log? ~/.xsession-errors?
04:37<jlgaddis>I've restarted the installation (yet again) and am going to partition by hand in a shell before selecting "partition disks" and see if that makes a difference
04:37<jm_>jlgaddis: that indeed sounds very similar to that old bug report
04:37*jlgaddis nods
04:37<xlotlu>jm_: did, nothing there. just "(--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found" after re-enabling it
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04:39<jm_>xlotlu: but it is shown as configured/detected at start?
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04:40<xlotlu>jm_: yeah, everything should be in order. xinput --list-props says it's enabled; XF86LogGrabInfo shows nothing. just the cursor gets stuck about when the 2nd kde progress icon shows up
04:42<xlotlu>jm_: was about to log out and try plain X, but i don't think there's any point in that, since it's all fine in kdm
04:43<jm_>xlotlu: is this with wheezy?
04:43<xlotlu>jm_: jessie / sid, kde experimental
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04:43<jm_>xlotlu: try asking in #debian-next / #debian-kde then
04:44<xlotlu>jm_: will do, thanks
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05:05<Supaplex>what's that wacky zip disk based (usb, anything offline) apt-get update helper? all the packages you apt-get turn into a shell/batch script to run on when your usb stick (or zip disk as it was) reaches an internet connected host...
05:05<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>.
05:05<Supaplex>nm. \o/
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05:43<bullgard4>'man caff': "NAME: caff -- CA - Fire and Forget." -- What do the letters »CA« stand for?
05:43<weasel>certification authority
05:44<weasel>at least that's one possible explanation
05:44<weasel>other expansions are also fine. cerification automaton
05:44<aidalgol>What about "constant annoyance"?
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06:28<anto>anyone knows how to export a repository from reprepro to another host? i looked at hook script when a pkg is added/removed but i'm searching if there's a more elegant way to do that
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06:31<daemonkeeper>Just copy it?
06:31<daemonkeeper>If you want, use inotify.
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06:32<anto>yes, for security reason i just want to copy it when it's already signed by wannabuild
06:33<daemonkeeper>Well, if you have a such complex repository, you might consider using dak.
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06:38<anto>but also by using dak the repository will be resigned
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06:38<anto>using a different pair of keys (the ones present in the dak box)
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06:54<NervExl>Hi Guys
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06:56<NervExl>Sorry for interrupting this lovely mornin, but was hopin some of you guys could help me out a bit
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06:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:59<NervExl>Im running RaspBMC on my raspberry pi, with apache2 service in background for my owncloud service. My problem is that i cant seem to disable the logs, nor create the folders and logs where it suppossed to be. If i create the error.log and vhost.log they will simply be missing after a reboot
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07:02<Apollo>NervExl: raspbmc is not debian
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07:03<jm_>quick glance on raspbmc page suggests it is a live system
07:03<jm_>so no surprises there
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07:05<NervExl>Apollo & jm_: then i might be in some serious problems, because according to, it is supposed to be based on a minimal debian distro.
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07:06<NervExl>but it makes good sense that my logs are missing after reboots if it is a live system. must say, that im quite new to linux
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07:57<lyker>linux jest "ok"
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07:59<lyker>Jakoś nie widze ziomali
08:01<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on pl is also <perl>.
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08:08<lyker>Jestem zielony nie wie jak wejsc na kanał polski ?
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08:11<Stummi>lyker, type /join #debian-pl
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08:11<Stummi>oh, wait, this chan is empty
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08:11<Stummi>better try it here with english :)
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09:09<Slaizer>hi, I am using debin wheezy, gnome, amd 64, on a computer that has 1024 MB ram, 2,0Ghz cpu - one core. Sometimes the computer goes to a mode that is "panic occured". Why is this happening? What is most likely?
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09:18<devil>Slaizer: are you talking about a kernel panic, where the box stops in a split second while sowing lots of cryptic text?
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09:22<nah>hi all, got question about wheeze's kernel- i got ivy bridge hd 4000 graphic and unfortunetly it dont work with it:/ should i get new kernel from sid or it will be fixed any time soon?
09:22<Slaizer>devil: I think you are right.
09:22<devil>Slaizer: does it happen with a different kernel?
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09:23<devil>nah: try a kernel from backports
09:23<Slaizer>devil: Actually, this is my first install of debian. I dont know anything about kernels.
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09:23<nah>everybody says it work on newer kernels and on 3.8 from kubuntu it work flawlessly
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09:24<devil>Slaizer: you might want to make a readable photo of the text, especialy the first 20 lines and paste it to a pastebin
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09:24<devil>kernel panics can have all kind of reasons
09:24<devil>nah: it does
09:25<Slaizer>devil: It occures sometimes, not often at all, but it annoys me to the point that i would like to change to a onother distro of Linux. OK I understand, will take a photo of, when it occures the next time.
09:25<devil>Slaizer: you might find the same thing happening with another distro, if the reason is hardware related
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09:26<devil>so get the text and have it analysed by someone in here
09:26<Slaizer>devil: ok. It occured a lot on my past installation of debian, the reinstallation of debian wheezy fixed it kind of. strange.
09:27<devil>most probably not directly debian related
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09:27<devil>but really hard to say without the errors
09:27<Slaizer>devil: OK. I will see when it happens again, and get the text analysed.
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09:33<nah>devil: will do this, thanks
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09:46<doubledutch>I hear the correct way to case in .Xresources and .Xdefaults is to capitalize the first letter of a package unless the first letter of a package is X in which case you'd capitalize the first two letters. For example: "Urxvt*termName: rxvt-256color" or
09:46<doubledutch>"XTerm*scrollBar: false". Can this be verified for correctness?
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09:47<Ganneff>it makes no difference.
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09:48<Slaizer>hi, I just installed the 'gnome sensors applet' on my debian wheezy machine. I am using gnome desktop environment on this machine. Should it not just show my sensors from cpu, disks etc on the screen after install?
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09:49<doubledutch>Ganneff: I'm a policy/regulation savant. :(
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09:50<TobiX>Slaizer: From where did you install that applet?
09:50<Slaizer>TobiX: package manager. 'sensors applet'
09:51<TobiX>Slaizer: I see "gnome panel" in the description. Are you using GNOME Shell or the GNOME fallback mode?
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09:51<doubledutch>Slaizer: I'd recommend checking out the man page... since it seems more like low-level reporting than conky which is for "desktop users" it may not do everything for you and display results (much less in real time) immediately after installing.
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09:52<Slaizer>TobiX: I am using the gnome session, that is what i know.
09:52<doubledutch>I'd want to know how to make it do exactly what I want to do. Find out how it works and get it to display exactly what you need and nothing you don't. You're on Debian, right?
09:52<Slaizer>doubledutch: OK. thanks.
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09:53<TobiX>Slaizer: I'm pretty sure panel applets don't work with the default GNOME desktop anymore. Only in fallback mode
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09:56<TobiX>doubledutch: That thread is almost 2 years old...
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09:56<TobiX>Slaizer: You are on Debian 7.0 (wheezy)?
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09:56<Slaizer>TobiX: yes
09:56<doubledutch>It's the only non-ubuntu thing I could find to link to.
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09:59<bullgard4>" /$ LANG=C sudo cp /etc/exim4 exim420130529; cp: omitting directory `/etc/exim4'." Why does the cp command omit this directory?
10:00<TobiX>bullgard4: Because, by default, cp only copies files
10:00<babilen>bullgard4: cp copies files
10:00<Calinou>recursive, -R
10:00<Calinou>or -r
10:00<Calinou>yeah, -r
10:00<babilen>(well, both work)
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10:01<babilen>bullgard4: As always I also recommend to read the manpage of the program you are having problem with first...
10:02<babilen>bullgard4: Also googling for "cp: omitting directory" comes up with a number of hits on google (and probably other search engines)
10:02<TobiX>Slaizer: You might have more luck with something like this: (Be aware that you are installing software on your system that is not part of Debian)
10:03<rev>bullgard4: might want to look at '-a' while you are reading the man page, might do more of what you want (as you are in /etc/ and not $HOME)
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10:06<Slaizer>TobiX: ok. but what I need is to check my hard drive. maybe I can just use psensors?
10:06<Slaizer>thanks for all the help anyway
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10:08<TobiX>Slaizer: If you are comfortable with command line, just install hddtemp and smartmontools and use the command line to inspect your hard drive...
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10:09<TobiX>"smartctl -a /dev/sda" might be a good start to check hard drive health
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10:10<Slaizer>TobiX: I have them both installed. I run smartmontools from command line to check the temperatures?
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10:11<TobiX>Slaizer: For temperature, smartmontools output can be quite hard to deceiver. Try "hddtemp /dev/sda" as root (similar for multiple discs)
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10:12<Samkov>I have what I am thinking may be a damaged laptop hardrive, what tools could I use to see if its going bad? It does not have the SMART feature
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10:14<TobiX>Samkov: There are drives without SMART? Seriously? Could you paste the output of "smartctl -a /dev/sda" to nontheless?
10:14<Samkov>actually i dont have the drive with me now, its a friends that im buying in like 2 hrs
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10:15<Samkov>but ive done some work on it like 3 times (installed windows 7) and the bootloader keeps getting corrupt but yeah i checked the drive with my ubuntu live cd months ago and it said it didnt have SMART
10:15<cae>Samkov: if there are data on it, dd_rescue it to somewhere, if not, see if badblocks -w can write and read probably (-w == destroy any data)
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10:16<Samkov>oh theres tons of data on it, i dont care about any of the data, none of it needs to be saved
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10:18<cae>Samkov: so you can try the badblocks -w way, it will write patterns to the disk and afterwards reads it. If they match and e.g. dmesg stays clean, the disk is probably not broken
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10:18<haylo|cgraf>Is there any documentation that details the layout of the debian initramfs? Also if you dont have a link, dont bother answering please.
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10:18<Samkov>awesome! thanks
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10:22<TobiX>haylo|cgraf: Have you read the initramfs-tools man page?
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10:24<haylo|cgraf>TobiX: yeah. Is it all arranged based on thing detailed there ? I rememebr reading in that initramfs-tools is one of the most complex shell scripts ever written.
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10:26<haylo|cgraf>i guessi have been looking at that as more of a device to update my initramfs. But you are saying maybe it would make more sense maybe if i studied how the initramfs is getting made.
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10:27<haylo|cgraf>so is the "debian initramfs " as i am calling it, just something generic made by initramfs-tools, or is it specially designed ?
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10:28<TobiX>haylo|cgraf: wc counts 2203 lines in all scripts in initramfs-tools, I call that hardly complex...
10:29<haylo|cgraf>TobiX: this is why i said not to answer without a link
10:29<haylo|cgraf>if you have no infos to share. then dont share. Im here doing this stuff every day
10:30<TobiX>haylo|cgraf: The man page is all documentation there is, if you need more details, RTfineSource
10:31<haylo|cgraf>wtf do you think i am doing ?
10:31<Arrowmaster>man page looks rather detailed to me
10:32<Arrowmaster>if theres something specific you need maybe you should ask about that
10:32<haylo|cgraf>i did
10:32<haylo|cgraf>i am looking for more documentation
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10:36<haylo|cgraf>what i specifically need is to understand the proper way that debian devs want additions made to the initramfs. So that the alternative aufs union mounting and ram mounting systems that i have made are incorporated in a modularized fashion. and hence utilizable by my peers
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10:37<Arrowmaster>haylo|cgraf: search for the Subdirectories section
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10:38<Arrowmaster>they want you to provide scripts in your package that go in one of those directories
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10:59<grkim>anybody in here?
10:59<grkim>hi guys what is this xchat?
10:59<bigjust>its an irc client
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11:04<Airwave>Hey. When trying to install ffmpeg on Wheezy, I get the following message: "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!"
11:04<Airwave>The packages are "libxfixes3 libx11-xcb1 libxtst6 libxi6".
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11:06<Arrowmaster>those are probably from wheezy security updates, no clue why its saying untrusted
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11:07<Airwave>What do you recommend I do?
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11:16<trico>remmina on wheezy is garbage! :( are there any other good programs to manage remote desktop connections?
11:16<stderr>Airwave: Can you put your sources.list on
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11:17<stderr>trico: I don't know what you need, but ssh -X works for me.
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11:18<trico>remote desktop?
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11:22<retrospectacus>hi tony
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11:26<strangelemon>Airwave: are you sure you're not installing those from a different repository, e.g. deb-multimedia?
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11:26<Airwave>strangelemon: I don't have deb-multimedia enabled.
11:27<Airwave>stderr: Yeah, give me a sec. Sorry for the late reply.
11:28<Airwave>trico: What's wrong with remmina in Wheezy?
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11:28<Airwave>Also backports.list in sources.list.d containing "deb wheezy-backports main"
11:28<stderr>Airwave: Ok, nothing weird there...
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11:29<Airwave>What's wrong?
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11:29<stderr>I can't remember if the backports archive key is in debian-archive-keyring.
11:30<stderr>Does the error message mention anything about a missing/unknown key?
11:31<Airwave>And the packages in question don't even exist in backports.
11:32<strangelemon>I guess you would have to examine the results of 'sudo apt-key list'
11:32<Airwave>stderr: Exact output:
11:32<stderr>sudo? What is this? Ubuntu?
11:33<strangelemon>stderr: maybe it's just me but apt-key list doesn't work for me unless it's root?
11:33<stderr>Hint: "su -"
11:33<Airwave>I prefer sudo.
11:33<stderr>The root account works in Debian.
11:33<Ganneff>and sudo works too.
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11:34<retrospectacus>bash: sudo: command not found
11:34<stderr>$ sudo does it
11:34<stderr>bash: sudo: command not found
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11:34<strangelemon>oh sorry I didn't realise you were against sudo in general...
11:35<retrospectacus>!sudosmite strangelemon
11:35*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to strangelemon and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
11:35<blast007>well, it is possible to install Debian without a root password (in which case it grants the first user sudo rights)
11:35<Airwave>I know that the root account works in Debian. I prefer sudo, however.
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11:37<SynrG>sudo bashing -> #-ot or /dev/null :p
11:37<Airwave>But back to the issue at hand: Why does apt consider these four packages to be untrusted?
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11:37<SynrG>Airwave: also provide apt-cache policy
11:38<Airwave>"sudo bashing." Does that mean insulting sudo, or running bash as sudo? ;-)
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11:39<Airwave>SynrG: apt-cache policy for the four packages in question:
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11:41<kakashi_>Hi, I have a major problem, my computer suddenly started telling me that '/bin/bash doesnt exist' and things and when I rebooted it said 'busy box not tainted and stuff', so I downloaded a live image to rescue
11:42<kakashi_>both are 64 bit, the live image and the defective installed os
11:42<SynrG>Airwave: clock set to some bizarro value leading apt to think the key is expired?
11:42<kakashi_>when I try to chroot, i get this error chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or director
11:42<kakashi_>is there a way I could fix it_
11:42<SynrG>Airwave: assuming you have debian-archive-keyring current version installed ...
11:43<SynrG>,versions debian-archive-keyring
11:43<judd>Package: debian-archive-keyring on i386 -- squeeze: 2010.08.28+squeeze1; jessie: 2012.4; sid: 2012.4; wheezy: 2012.4
11:43<Airwave>SynrG: Wed May 29 17:42:46 CEST 2013
11:43<stderr>Seems right-ish.
11:43<Airwave>SynrG: I have 2012.4.
11:43<SynrG>apt-key list output?
11:44<stderr>SynrG: Same out as I got.
11:44<strangelemon>SynrG: he posted it earlier >
11:44<stderr>And I just got those packages as part of an update/upgrade.
11:44<SynrG>Airwave: sudo apt-get update and try again?
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11:45<Airwave>SynrG: Now this is interesting.
11:45<SynrG>Airwave: maybe caught in the middle of an archive update pulse and the release signature was munged
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11:45<Airwave>"E: Release file for is expired (invalid since 1d 7h 18min 4s). Updates for this repository will not be applied."
11:45<Airwave>When running "# aptitude update".
11:45<SynrG>Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 08:26:40 UTC
11:45<haylo|cgraf>kakashi_: mount the partitions needed, and take a look at the contents of /bin/ in in the mounted device. /bin/bash should be there, along with a bunch of other common utilities and shells. It sounds like you are trying to chroot into a system that is too damaged
11:45<SynrG>Valid-Until: Tue, 28 May 2013 08:26:40 UTC
11:45<SynrG>Airwave: ^^
11:46<SynrG>Airwave: for some reason the mirror stopped updating
11:46<stderr> seems out of sync. Last update 21-May.
11:46<SynrG>it is past Valid-Until
11:46<Airwave>Should I temporarily switch?
11:46<SynrG>and report to the mirror maintainer
11:46<SynrG>they might not know
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11:47<kakashi_>haylo|cgraf: the /bin/bash exists in the installed system, I checked the ldd and I did find that both the installed system and the live cd have the same linked libvraries
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11:47<kakashi_>what could be the best way to fix the mess >*
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11:49<stderr>kakashi_: Can you try "chroot /path /bin/sh" ?
11:49<Airwave>SynrG: Ok. Guess I'll shoot off an email to the address mentioned in welcome.msg.
11:49<kakashi_>stderr: let me check
11:49<SynrG>Airwave: yeap
11:49<stderr>Where /path is the path to where your / is mounted.
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11:49<SynrG>Airwave: i find the page title of their home page amusing :)
11:49<kakashi_>stderr: no, it gives the same error
11:50<SynrG>Airwave: at "Application name - Short explanatory text"
11:50<SynrG>oopsie? :)
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11:50<retrospectacus>kakashi_: try csh or dash or zsh if you have them?
11:50<Airwave>Hahaha, yeah.
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11:51<stderr>"Linux distribution is Red Hat™ Enterprise Linux 5." Ah, that explains it...
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11:51<Airwave>How did you see when it was last updated? Last modified date of the newest file?
11:51<kakashi_>retrospectacus: well, I have sh and bash and rbash
11:51<SynrG>good lord, it's not *still* RHEL 5 in 2013, is it?
11:52<SynrG>surely that's beyond EOl
11:52<Airwave>stderr: Thank you.
11:52<SynrG>or do they really have a super long release / support cycle?
11:53<stderr>Their upstream mirror (sweden) is up-to-date.
11:53<Airwave>SynrG: RHEL has ludicrous EOL dates.
11:53<sney>yeah, they support for 10 years. it's... unique
11:53<SynrG>indeed. just looking at that.
11:54<DebianUser>RHEL 2013-01-08 (End of Production 1) Q1 2014 (End of Production 2) 2017-03-31 (End of Production 3 / End of Regular Life Cycle) Q1 2020 (End of Extended Life Cycle)
11:54<sney>(centos does the same)
11:55<stderr>RHEL _3_ still haven't reached end of extended life cycle.
11:56<Airwave>This is odd. Installing ffmpeg brought in a ton of dependences, but removing ffmpeg didn't remove the dependencies again.
11:56<sney>'apt-get autoremove' ?
11:56<sney>they may also be suggests for something else
11:57<DebianUser>apt-get autoremove --purge
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11:57<SynrG>sney: suggests wouldn't do it.
11:57<SynrG>would have to be recommends at least
11:57<stderr>aptitude why ...
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11:57<babilen>kakashi_: Please paste actual output to (and keep on adding to that paste)
11:57<Airwave>I used aptitude, so they should have been removed without having to run autoreomve.
11:58<SynrG>Airwave: in any case, ffmpeg is a transitional metapackage. 'avconv' is the real deal.
11:58<SynrG>Airwave: did you read *any* of what we just said? :)
11:58<Airwave>And autoremove doesn't remove anything.
11:59<SynrG>Airwave: autoremove will only remove if nothing depends on it. recommends are a dependency.
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11:59<SynrG>Airwave: use 'aptitude why <nameofpkg>' to find out more
12:01<babilen>kakashi_: Please try "chroot /mnt/debian"
12:01<babilen>kakashi_: And also paste your "mount" output ... What is /mnt/debian/root (for example) ?
12:01<stderr>kakashi: /mnt/debian/root is root's homedir, not "/".
12:01<Airwave>SynrG: But nothing installed depends or recommends these packages. e.g.
12:01<SynrG>install --no-recommends foo (where foo recommends: bar). install baz (which depends on bar). remove baz. foo recommends: bar, so bar is not subject to autoremoval.
12:02<SynrG>Airwave: is that *after* "apt-get update" from a working mirror?
12:03<stderr>And ffmpeg isn't installed anymore?
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12:03<Airwave>stderr: apt-cache policy ffmpeg
12:03<Airwave>ffmpeg: Installed: (none)
12:03<SynrG>Airwave: what was the exact "aptitude why" that you issued?
12:03<Airwave>SynrG: aptitude why libav-tools
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12:04<SynrG>Airwave: then aptitude why lies. it has weighted this solution higher than the others. there must be some other path, however.
12:04*SynrG shrugs
12:04<Airwave>I could just remove all the dependencies it installed manually.
12:05<SynrG>want to graph *all* the dependencies leading to it? :)
12:05<Airwave>Well I still have the output from when I installed it in the first place.
12:05<Airwave>So I know which packages were installed, and I haven't installed anything new since then.
12:05<SynrG>you don't happen to have anything on hold do you?
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12:05<Airwave>How do I check that?
12:05<SynrG>well, you still have that regardless, in /var/log but yeah
12:06<stderr>I actually wanted to do something like that earlier today. Is there an "easy" way to make a .dot file or whatever of dependencies?
12:06<Airwave>SynrG: That's true.
12:06<SynrG>Airwave: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
12:06<Airwave>SynrG: Nothing.
12:06<SynrG>Airwave: or whatever the aptitude hold equivalent is (i don't use aptitude ... see doc)
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12:08<SynrG>stderr: apt-rdepends can produce dot files
12:08<babilen>kakashi_: I was referring to your "mount" output ... Can you run "chroot /mnt/debian /bin/sh" ?
12:08<stderr>SynrG: Thanks, I'll take a look.
12:08<Airwave>I'm going to go ahead and remove the dependencies manually.
12:08<SynrG>apt-rdepend -r i guess, to show reverse dependencies
12:08<babilen>kakashi_: but i'll be back in a second ... provide information to the channel, I simply wanted to point out that there is typically very little we can do without seeing actual output
12:09<SynrG>apt-rdepend -r libav-tools
12:09<kakashi_>but yes, chroot /mnt/debian /bin/sh gives the same outout as before
12:09<SynrG>bleah, with an s
12:09<SynrG>apt-rdepends -r libav-tools
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12:10<SynrG>Airwave: sadly, that's without regard to which of those are installed on your system.
12:10<stderr>Seems apt-cache dotty ... might be useful too.
12:10<SynrG>oh, add -p
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12:12<Airwave>I already removed it. Do you still want me to run apt-rdepends?
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12:12<kakashi_>it seems like this is beyond repair
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12:13<kakashi_>is there a quick way of installing the base of the system such that the user or the /home directory remains intact?
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12:13<babilen>kakashi_: Could it be that you "replaced" the libc6 on that system with something else or what is the backstory to this?
12:14<kakashi_>hmm... that could be a possibility, I was installing the stupid steam library a while back (3-4) months back
12:14<kakashi_>and it had a requirement of i386 then
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12:14<kakashi_>I did something, but then nothing happened until today
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12:15<stderr>kakashi_: Do you have /home on its own partition?
12:15<babilen>kakashi_: It is also an Ubuntu package that depends on a version of libc6 that is not in wheezy
12:15<kakashi_>no, that is another problem
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12:15<kakashi_>babilen: yes, that is where i messed it probably
12:15<babilen>"probably" :)
12:15<kakashi_>but then, I have done apt-get dist-upgrade multiple number of times after that
12:15<kakashi_>this was a sudden occurrence
12:16<babilen>kakashi_: Did you somehow install/replace a new libc6 in order to get steam running? What did you do prior to getting the system in this state? But then, you probably have to revert from backups.
12:16<kakashi_>I was executing a program in python (nothing related to system, just some data manipulations) and this occurs
12:16<babilen>"this" ?
12:16<kakashi_>the sudden disappearing of /bin/bash
12:17<kakashi_>so, today in the morning, i wanted to do 'rm dir'
12:17<kakashi_>and it said, /bin/rm not found
12:17<kakashi_>then I did 'bash' it said, /bin/bash not found
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12:17<stderr>kakashi_: I would run a memtest and check the disk with badblocks. Just to be sure that isn't (part of) the problem.
12:18<kakashi_>I cheked it already, it seems to be fine
12:18<kakashi_>well, I will check that
12:18<babilen>You typically get that error if one of the libraries is missing (or the binary itself) -- as it seems to affect a lot of programs my guess would be libc6. Then I saw "Steamlibc" in your /mnt/debian/root (whatever that might be) which is why I asked
12:18<kakashi_>ah! that is just a directory
12:19<stderr>Probably roots homedir.
12:19<kakashi_>it has nothing important and it doesnt affect anything
12:19<Airwave>SynrG, stderr: I sent an email to the mirror maintainer. Thanks again for the help.
12:19<kakashi_>that is correct, roots homedir
12:19<stderr>/ being mounted on /mnt/debian and all that.
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12:19<stderr>Airwave: No problem.
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12:19<babilen>kakashi_: No, it simply made me think: "This looks like yet another user who completely broke his/her system by installing third-party steam packages"
12:20<babilen>kakashi_: It turned out that this is, to a certain degree, the case.
12:20<kakashi_>could be
12:20<babilen>stderr: huh? how is "Steamlibc" roots home dir?
12:21<stderr>"your /mnt/debian/root (whatever that might be)"...
12:21<babilen>stderr: Ok, chunking error
12:21<kakashi_>babilen: it is not '/', it is /root/
12:21<stderr>I now see that you mean "steamlibc" (whatever that might be) in ...
12:22<kakashi_>I think there is another culprit
12:22<kakashi_>I downloaded insync-beta-ubuntu_0.9.41_amd64.deb
12:22<kakashi_>it is a sync library for google/drive
12:23<stderr>Stop mixing distros!
12:23<kakashi_>true, I shouldnt have
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12:24<kakashi_>there is a chance this could have broken down the system
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12:25<jmgresham>I bow to all of you for using debian. My hat is off to you.
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12:27<dex>hi everybody, i got a problem with skype, i've just installed it but video calls crash instantly
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12:27<dex>don't know what to do
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12:28<detrout>dex: you might try launching it from the command line, theres a chance that there'd be a log message that gets printed
12:29<babilen>dex: I hope that you followed the installation instructions on -- We also can't really support skype given that it is closed source. They have a good Linux forum however where you might find help, but you still have to provide many more details (Debian version, installation steps, ...)
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12:29<babilen>dex: Some error message (cf. detrout's comment) might come in handy too
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12:29<dex>i have installed latest debian version 7.0
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12:30<kakashi_>babilen: how do I check the apt-get log? is /var/log/apt/history.log the only file?
12:30<dex>and the only additional softwate up to now is flashplugin-nonfree and skype
12:30<dex>i followed the instructions on the website
12:30<babilen>kakashi_: /var/log/dpkg.log
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12:30<babilen>dex: Which website?
12:31<dex>i'm running amd64 debian 7.0
12:31<babilen>dex: There are multiple instructions, which one did you follow? multiarch?
12:31<eoo>any idea why the java perspective does not work for me in eclipse
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12:32<dex>i did: dpkg --add-architecture i386, then apt-get update, next wget -O skype-install.deb and dpkg -i skype-install.deb finally apt-get -f install
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12:32<babilen>dex: great, thank you. And now when you initiate a video call skype crashes?
12:33<babilen>dex: Can you make audio calls? Does the camera work in the options? Have you checked the skype forums for support/this problem?
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12:34<babilen>dex: is what I am referring to
12:34<dex>when i start a video call it attempts to connect and when it seems everything is fine it crashes, i can't see any video during this time
12:35<dex>i can see webcam works in options
12:35<dex>i didnt try audio calls
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12:38<kakashi_>well, I have caused a shit storm in my system, this is what I could get from today's blind install
12:38<kakashi_>that is just the first 100 line
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12:39<babilen>kakashi_: wtf
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12:39<dex>how can i get skype errors in a log or sth?
12:39<babilen>kakashi_: You really shouldn't mix Debian with Ubuntu
12:40<babilen>dex: I don't know -- is it writing error messages on the terminal?
12:40<kakashi_>babilen: is there any way to get back to the original state with a complete reinstalltion?
12:40<stderr>I'm not even sure there's any Debian left in that mix.
12:40<dex>no, but i've typed skype in the terminal, it showed up, but i can write again in the same terminal
12:41<babilen>kakashi_: You have to reinstall the system. You can sure revert data from your backups afterwards ... If you have separate partitions for, say, /home or volume groups you shouldn't overwrite them. I'd recommend to make sure that your backups are recent.
12:41<babilen>dex: So it detaches and it doesn't write any error message when it dies?
12:41<kakashi_>stderr: I am not sure what is in there now :(, it is not a mixed race, it is an impure bullshit
12:42<babilen>dex: Anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
12:42<kakashi_>babilen: well, so I have another partition that is empty , can, I will install the new system on that partition
12:42<dex>uff lots of warnings and stuff in xsession-errors
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12:43<eoo>any idea why the java perspective does not work for me in eclipse
12:43<stderr>kakashi_: If you reinstall, I would recommend putting /home on a partition (or a logical volume) by itself.
12:44<kakashi_>stderr: okay, I have learned that lesson now :(, any other suggestions
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12:44<stderr>kakashi_: Don't mix distros.
12:44<stderr>I know I said so already. It can't be said enough.
12:44<kakashi_>learned it the hardway, still I will never do it
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12:46<joseph-soares>hi. I've bought a SSD, and placed the optical drive for the HD. So, now I have a ssd and (second) hd. In this second HD I have windows seven installed. When I make grub-update, it find windows, but on boot menu it doesn't load. It says: no such device no such disk ...
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12:46<kakashi_>thanks a lot! it is a sad day to lose a solid system, anyways, I will now begin the process of reinstallation :|
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12:59<detrout>Anyone know if there's a particular reason why the debian samba4 packaging is only 4.0.0~rc while upstream is up to 4.0.6?
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13:01<babilen>judd: v samba4 --arch amd64
13:01<judd>Package: samba4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2; sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2; experimental: 4.0.3+dfsg1-0.1
13:01<babilen>detrout: My guess is "Not ready yet and nobody has packaged it."
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13:03<detrout>Thank's babilen, I wonder where the repository that contains the 4.0.3 packaging is.
13:04<babilen>detrout: check on the PTS
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13:04<babilen>detrout: or use "debcheckout samba4" or ...
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13:05<dex>i got several errors in xsession-errors, are they important?
13:06<detrout>Ooh debcheckout looks useful thank you babilen
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13:06<dpkg> mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like
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13:07<babilen>dex: no, doesn't look relevant
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13:07<dex>ok thank u
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13:08<dex>it's the same pastebin
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13:12<dex>i think i've found the solution for the problem with skype
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13:14<babilen>dex: what is it?
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13:15<dex>it seem that install libasound2-plugins:i386 these packages are not built properly for Debian 7.0
13:15<dex>it's explained here
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13:19<babilen>dex: So, installing libasound2-plugins:i386 manually was necessary? I don't quite follow what you mean by "not built properly"
13:20<dex>actually i don't know too much about it, i think it is the reason they explain in the web site
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13:20<dex>what I can tell u is that before I got this error message ALSA lib control.c:951:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hdmi:CARD=PCH and now it is gone away
13:21<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:21<dex>but i got to have a go to confirm
13:22<babilen>dex: So, all you had to do was to install libasound2-plugins:i386 manually? (as it wasn't installed during the "apt-get -f install" run?)
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13:23<Arrowmaster>dex: yeah if you use pulse then you need libasound2-plugins:i386 for a lot of 32bit apps to have sound
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13:24<Gentooman>Hello there.
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13:24<Gentooman>May I get some info on apt?
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13:25<Gentooman>More specifically sources.list
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13:26<dex>yeah it works
13:26<dex>but the other people can't see me
13:26<dex>don't know what's going on
13:26<Gentooman>What do you mean?
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13:27<retrospectacus>Gentooman: what seems to be the problem?
13:27<retrospectacus>Gentooman: (dex is not talking to you)
13:27<Gentooman>Well, I'm trying to make a netinstall with just the most basic things I need.
13:27<Gentooman>But I downloaded the Stable iso and now I need to update my sources.list
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13:28<Gentooman>It all goes well, but the line that has "wheezy-updates" can't be changed to "jessie-updates" or "testing-updates", or else it gives errors.
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13:28<Gentooman>Is this normal?
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13:29<retrospectacus>yes. testing doesn't have separate updates
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13:29<Gentooman>Ah, so I need to keep it like wheezy, right?
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13:29<retrospectacus>why would you add jessie or testing?
13:29<Gentooman>What do you mean?
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13:30<retrospectacus>Gentooman: what are you trying to do
13:31<Gentooman>Oh, upgrading from stable to testing.
13:31<babilen>Gentooman: There are no testing-updates (that wouldn't make sense) -- What are you trying to do?
13:31<babilen>dpkg: tell Gentooman -about tum
13:31<retrospectacus>Gentooman: why? stable is great!
13:32<Gentooman>I know, but this is just a VM so I wanted to try Sid for science.
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13:32<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Gentooman about testing
13:32<mju>babilen: That does not sound right. He does not want sid.
13:32<babilen>Gentooman: I would recommend that setup -- there is no testing-updates (or testing-backports or ...) -- You might also want to read and not that testing/unstable is supported in #debian-next on
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13:32<mju>Oh, maybe he does.
13:33<Gentooman>Ah, thanks, I was just upgrading to Testing to upgrade to Sid, I heard it's safer this way.
13:33<babilen>mju: With the current situation you almost certainly want to be able to pull packages from sid as the need arises. I can assure you that a "pure" testing system is somewthing that is not feasible at the moment.
13:33<Gentooman>Thanks for your help dudes.
13:34<babilen>Gentooman: You can upgrade via testing -- Please read the wiki and, in particular, make sure that you have apt-{listbugs,listchanges} installed.
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13:34<mju>babilen: Ok. Makes sense. But the dpkg info seemed to assume you want start from testing and want to add sid packages.
13:35<mju>Anyway, the problem looks solved.
13:35<Gentooman>Installing listbugs and listchanges right now.
13:35<babilen>mju: Yeah, that is the "tum" setup -- it enables people who track testing to pull packages from unstable manually ... that is frequently needed (e.g. I want bugfix *now*, or for many other reasons)
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13:38<babilen>Gentooman: I would also recommend to familiarise yourself with maintainer scripts and the tools in devscripts and apt-* so that you know your way around the system. Please read (1.5 and others) along with and
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13:41<Gentooman>Wow, that's a huge wall of text.
13:41<Gentooman>Will start to read, but I don't expect finishing them any soon, lol.
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13:45*detrout wonders what needs to be done to update the handbook to wheezy
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13:46<babilen>detrout: Most of it is valid for wheezy
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13:52<detrout>babilen: I thought it would be mostly right, though it'd still might be useful to update the handbook
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13:57<alexbouer>Note bought a dell Inspiron 15R SE with 32G disk ssd, installed debian 7 on ssd and when it tries to load the system apresenten the following error
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13:59<alexbouer>modprobe: module ehci-pci not found in modules.dep
13:59<alexbouer>modprobe: module ehci-hcd not found in modules.dep
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13:59<alexbouer>modprobe: module uhci-hcd not found in modules.dep
13:59<babilen>alexbouer: Which image did you use and from which medium did you install? Can you boot the system or doesn't that work?
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14:00<alexbouer>modprobe: module usbhid not found in modules.dep
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14:01<alexbouer>the system dont work
14:01<alexbouer>version 64bits
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14:02<babilen>alexbouer: Which image did you download? From what kind of medium did you install?
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14:03<alexbouer>this image debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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14:04<babilen>alexbouer: Okay, and what did you do with that? Did you burn it to a CD? Did you use a USB stick? (if the latter, how did you copy the image to the stick) ...
14:05<alexbouer>i burn cd
14:05<babilen>okay .. and now when you boot you are not shown the boot menu but those error messages and then what?
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14:07<alexbouer>the boot menu show
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14:07<alexbouer>the error messages after boot
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14:11<babilen>alexbouer: I still don't quite understand -- So, does the system boot? Do you mean "after the boot selection screen, but it doesn't boot?" ? I'll be back in a few minutes though ...
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14:12<alexbouer>babilen tks for help
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14:36<DrZaius>the resolution in my ttys is much lower than the grub screen. how can have better resolution and 256 colors in ttys?
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14:51<mohammad>hi there
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14:51<mohammad>what is subject in this room?
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14:53<polix>mohammad: everything about Debian
14:53<polix>mohammad: and offtopic
14:53<mohammad>i have a question about proxy
14:53<mohammad>can every body answer?
14:53<mohammad>i have linux
14:53<polix>mohammad, just ask, you will see
14:54<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
14:55<retrospectacus>mohammad: as polix mentioned, this channel is for Debian. We do not support mint. Join #linuxmint-help on for support.
14:56<mohammad>thank you every body
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15:04<tony>hello, I have installed debian wheezy lately and i have installed the realtek firmware, my wireless works fine, but i can't manage my wired connection
15:05<babilen>tony: Manage it with what?
15:06<tony>babilen: i don't have the options to give it static ip addresses or change the dns
15:06<babilen>tony: Where don't you have those options?
15:06<tony>from the network manager
15:07<babilen>tony: Are you configuring it using network-manager? Or in /etc/network/interfaces ? Or are you using wicd?
15:07<tony>babilen: network-manager
15:07<babilen>Ah, network manager ... So the interface *is* managed by network-manager, but you cannot edit the connection?
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15:07<babilen>tony: Could you show me the contents of /etc/network/interfaces on ?
15:08<tony>babilen: give me a moment
15:08<thirt33n>Guys, I have a quick question..
15:08<ompaul>times up
15:09<thirt33n>I'm compiling the latest Kernel from, and before when I did make menuconfig my wireless driver was there
15:09<thirt33n>and I had it checked as a module
15:09<thirt33n>But I'm compiling another, and there isn't many wireless drivers
15:09<thirt33n>Would anyone know why that is?
15:09<ompaul>they are not the same - so the question lacks detail
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15:10<polix>hi ompaul
15:10<ompaul>thirt33n: you need to provide more info, what other kernel etc
15:10<ompaul>polix: 'lo
15:10<thirt33n>Well, both kernels were 3.10-rc3
15:10<thirt33n>But this time around
15:10<thirt33n>There are less wireless drivers
15:11<ompaul>are they both from k.o ?
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15:12<bullgard4>What does this output mean? "~$ sudo exim4 -bt; R: dnslookup for;; router = dnslookup, transport = remote_smtp; host [] MX=10; host [] MX=10; host [] MX=10; host [] MX=10."
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15:13<ompaul>thirt33n: well why are they different - they are not the same I guess
15:13<thirt33n>ompaul, would I be able to copy parts from my current /boot/config-xxx to the .config?
15:13<thirt33n>The wireless parts?
15:13<ompaul>thirt33n: in theory yes, but if one of them is k.o and the other is d.o then they are packaged differently
15:14<ompaul>thirt33n: which is why I doubt the veracity of your "they are both from k.o"
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15:14<thirt33n>Ok, I'll try it and see, thanks.
15:15<babilen>tony: Yeah, you have eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces (see line 9 and 10) remove or comment those two and restart. network-manager should then manage eth0 as well. (it simply doesn't manage interfaces that are managed in /etc/network/interfaces) -- See too
15:16<ompaul>thirt33n: they can't both be the same package from k.o or they would not be different - that would be really odd
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15:16<tony>babilen: thank you
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15:18<thirt33n>Yeah, I think the the configs are from different places though
15:18<thirt33n>I can't remember
15:18<ompaul>thirt33n: so you blame the configs then
15:18<thirt33n>Are they options for what I can and can not enable in the config?
15:18<thirt33n>Like, the list of drivers?
15:19<thirt33n>Because, it might be the configs.
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15:20<towo`>i would use make localmodconfig given that all needed modules are load on your system
15:20<ompaul>thirt33n: now I can't parse your suggestion, if you use different configs that makes different suggestions to the kernel
15:20<ompaul>thirt33n: you impose choices on the source before you compile
15:20<ompaul>that is the config
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15:25<rickbol>how do I clear out a deb-multimedia package so that I can install the wheezy version. I already "apt-get purge gpac, mod sources.list and, apt-get update"
15:26<babilen>dpkg: dmm list
15:26<dpkg>To list all packages you have installed from aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>.
15:26<babilen>rickbol: You can use that ^^^ to remove/purge packages from DMM
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15:27<rickbol>but somehow the deb-multimedia version: "libgpac2 (= 0.5.0~dfsg0-1) but 1:0.5.0-dmo3 is to be installed"
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15:27<babilen>rickbol: Note that gpac != libgpac2
15:28<rickbol>babilen: it's a dependency.
15:29<babilen>rickbol: yeah, sure ... but purging gpac won't get rid of libgpac2 -- but please run the aptitude command above (make sure that you /do/ have DMM in your sources.list and that you updated)
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15:31<rickbol>so when I purge a pkg, I only purge that pkg, not it's dependencies?
15:31<rickbol>yea. makes sense.
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15:32<babilen>rickbol: Well, not quite. You purge that package .. If you use apt-get you have to run "apt-get autoremove" or, for purging, "apt-get --purge autoremove" -- aptitude remove (!) packages that "are no longer needed" automatically
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15:34<rickbol>can I specify to install the wheezy version without commenting the dmm line and apt-get update? maybe the -t switch?
15:35<babilen>rickbol: the version i DMM is higher ... you would have to pin the wheezy version to a priority >= 1001 -- I would recommend to get rid of DMM shite once and for all and be done with it.
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15:36<tony>rickbol: use autoremove option to remove the dependencies
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15:44<thirt33n>ompaul, I figured out my problem
15:44<ompaul>thirt33n: and it was?
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15:45<thirt33n>I had disabled some things in the Bus Options
15:45<thirt33n>Like, PCI support
15:45<ompaul>blame the config
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15:45<thirt33n>More options are now showing in the Wireless drivers.
15:45<thirt33n>So it was the config.
15:45<thirt33n>But my fault.
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15:46<thirt33n>User error.
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16:07<xormor>any finns or other europeans here? or people from middle east or africa?
16:07<ompaul>xormor: we tend not to give a flying about where people are from
16:07<babilen>xormor: I doubt that this is relevant for #debian -- take it to #debian-offtopic or clarify how your question relates to a technical problem.
16:07<ompaul>if you have a question about debian please ask it
16:08<xormor>babilen: ok
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16:09<xormor>ompaul: how do I make ctrl+alt+delete shutdown -h now? /etc/inittab? it worked years ago on debian but i am not sure if it works in ubuntu. i use xubuntu now.
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16:10*ompaul reads the xubuntu and wonders how much not debian that is
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16:11<xormor>ompaul: yeah... i wanted to check out the debian network because it was first on the list and it ‎is "cooler" than ubuntu in my mind.
16:11<babilen>dpkg: ubuntu
16:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
16:11<babilen>xormor: Well, you are welcome to hang out here and "listen", but please seek support in #ubuntu on
16:12<xormor>ompaul: i will come back when i actually install a debian system or start using a live debian dvd or cd.
16:12<xormor>babilen: ok, thanks.
16:12<babilen>no problem, are you interested in instructions on how to install Debian?
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16:21<jewels>hi there. This is the result of powertop
16:21<jewels>how can I increase battery life?
16:21<jewels>I've the latest version of debina
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16:23<ompaul>jewels: use or for text
16:23<ompaul>don't expect people to download random stuff from anywhere
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16:26<jewels>sorry, here you are..
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16:27<ompaul>that's not a graph - it's not even plain text
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16:30<jewels>retrospectacus, here there is the file. Thank you
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16:30<retrospectacus>what do you expect us to do with that pile of garbage?
16:31<jewels>some tips with battery life on debia
16:31<jewels>how can I increase it?
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16:33<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell jewels about power saving
16:33<jewels>I have used the tips suggested by powertop
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16:34<jewels>retrospectacus, so?
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16:35<retrospectacus>jewels: read the tips the robot sent you
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16:38<jewels>retrospectacus, I have to config something after the installation of laptop-mode-tools
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16:43<mdxzero>I having a question about mesh: do somebody know the name of the package, I'm using wheezy?
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16:49<retrospectacus>mdxzero: what's "mesh"?
16:49<magnulu>having a strange problem with wheezy netinst, wifi not able to connect, dmesg says "deauthenticating .... by local choice (reason=3)".. anyone got a clue what this is all about?
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16:52<mdxzero>retrospectacus: I meaning the mesh network with olsr (openwrt)
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16:55<retrospectacus>mdxzero: aptitude search olsr
16:56<mdxzero>retrospectacus: I found olsr but do I need not the package mesh?
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16:58<retrospectacus>mdxzero: no idea, but there is no package named "mesh"
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16:59<mdxzero>I scratched the money for a linksys wrt54gl router....... I found a package named similar.
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17:02<blami>magnulu: are you using network manager?
17:02<blami>magnulu: or wicd?
17:02<magnulu>blami: wheezy netinstall image.. the problem appears during installation, so I do not know the answer to your question
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17:03<blami>magnulu: what kind of wifi card?
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17:03<magnulu>blami: tried another network adapter, got different error message, "appeared at a non-free place in a non-full queue" (!)
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17:03<blami>magnulu: that sounds bad
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17:04<blami>magnulu: usually it happens when two wpa clients try to authenticate, or more precisely one deauthenticates connection in order to authenticate another
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17:05<magnulu>blami: oh, the last one is an old d-link ralink pci-thing, the first one was a jensen usb thang, airlink 85300 v2
17:05<blami>magnulu: try switching into another terminall and kill wpa_supplicant
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17:05<magnulu>blami: ok.. will give it a try..
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17:06<blami>weird netinst does this
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17:06<blami>magnulu: can you check if it uses NetworkManager (ps aux | grep NetworkManager)
17:07<blami>I hate that pile of crap, it only causes problems
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17:10<magnulu>blami: didnt help killing wpa_supplicant, NetworkManager not running..
17:10<magnulu>wont be using my time on this one, will install from a dvd-image, no problem
17:11<magnulu>thanks anyway
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17:32<mdxzero>retrospectacus: don't know?
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17:34<mdxzero>retrospectacus: thanks
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18:45<kminor>Hey guys quick question, I just dist-upgraded lenny to squeeze. My /etc/fstab entries were commented out.
18:45<kminor>hda1 IDE boot drive turned into sda1, and my sda1 SATA drive turned to sdb1, but i see nothing in fstab
18:46<kminor>Does squeeze use /etc/fstab like lenny did?
18:46<retrospectacus>yes... does it boot?
18:47<kminor>yes, everything works perfect...i just don't see any fstab entries....just my old ones commented out
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18:48<tdy>are build scripts viewable somewhere for debian packages? e.g. i'm trying to see which cmake options were used for debian's crtmpserver:
18:48<kminor>I just want to make sure my old "fstab" extra settings are up to date before i backup everything & re-dist-upgrade to wheezy
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18:55<kminor>I have UUID= stuff instead of /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda5 and /dev/sdb1 etc. etc... the UUID settings match the replaced commented /dev/hda* though
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18:56<kminor>I did do a "partimage" restore before the dist-upgrade, would that have anything to do with it? or does squeeze use UUID stuff instead of /dev/hda* like lenny did... sorry not very familiar with this
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18:56<gsimmons>kminor: The change in PATA IDE drivers is described in Squeeze's release notes (section 5.1.1) ; /msg dpkg squeeze release notes
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18:57<retrospectacus>I suspect the upgrade did that. UUID is the way to go.
18:57<kminor>gsimmons: thanks, i'm looking at it right now, ill take a look
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18:59<kminor>retrospectacus : thanks buddy, I'll read up on it. Also I noticed squeeze uses more ram...probably due to kde3.5 to kde4 or whatnot...when i dist-upgrade again to wheezy is there any way to estimate how much more RAM it will use than squeeze?
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19:00<strangelemon>kminor: UUIDs are better since they are independent of labelling
19:00<Arrowmaster>tdy: you can download the source files from that page and look in the debian/ directory
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19:03<kminor>strangelemon : thanks buddy, yeah at first i thought it was on the same line a the commented out ones with a "cat /etc/fstab" then i realized they had the correct "usrquota grpquota" settings and whatnot from the commented out line. I'll read up on it, thanks for the reply & the help
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19:03<tdy>Arrowmaster: ah got it, thanks
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19:06<strangelemon>DrZaius: this depends on the graphics driver that you're using I believe. one thing to try is to set the following in /etc/default/grub: GRUB_GFXMODE=<desired resolution>,<fallback such as 1024x768>,auto, as well as GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
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19:07<kminor>strangelemon : Also, I noticed when I do an "apt-get update" or a Synatic reload, it's still trying to grab "Lenny" pkg's & says failed, however I looked in "/etc/apt/sources.list" and all the lenny entries are commented out. Just has the squeeze repo's
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19:08<kminor>Any reason it would still say "failed to retrieve lenny packages" even though the repo's are #'d out in the sources.list?
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19:09<strangelemon>kminor: check that there's nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
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19:10<kminor>strangelemon : I checked already, it's an empty directory. Do you think I might need to do an "apt-get clean" or "autoclean"?
19:10<kminor>I wouldn't think that would make any difference
19:10<strangelemon>nothing wrong with it but I can't see how it could be related.
19:10<kminor>....kind of curious since there is nothing in sources.list or in the sources.list.d directory
19:10<strangelemon>what is the full output of aptitude/apt-get update?
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19:11<kminor>strangelemon : I'll check...oh shoot I forgot to use "screen" with my irc client...i'll be right back...thanks for the help btw
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19:16<x0auser>Hi guys , i have a pdf file in arabic and i can read it ! Should i install arabic fonts ?
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19:22<x0auser>i can't read pdf file in arabic, what package should i install ? thankx
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19:22<musca>let's try
19:22<dpkg>مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar
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19:23<x0auser>lol , thank you musca
19:24<x0auser>I'm the only user connected there !
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19:26<strangelemon>x0auser: I don't know anything about this but have you tried installing xfonts-intl-arabic
19:26<kminor>strangelemon : Hey guess what man, okay I was just about to give you the readout of my 'apt-get update' but i tried something else that fixed was an odd fix i'll tell you what i did
19:26<strangelemon>kminor: alright
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19:27<strangelemon>x0auser: ttf-arabeyes ttf-kacst ttf-sil-scheherazade xfonts-intl-arabic msttcorefonts should cover pretty much all of what's available in the debian packages...
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19:28<kminor>strangelemon : I rechecked it from the console cat /etc/apt/sources.list again and everything was how it should have been...squeeze on the bottom the only one's not commented still tried to get lenny pkg' i was thinking "maybe i should try it in konqueror" so i fired up /etc/init.d/kdm start & logged in to kde.
19:29<strangelemon>kminor: ahuh...
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19:31<x0auser>thnak you strangelemon
19:31<strangelemon>hehe no problem!
19:31<strangelemon>tell us if it works
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19:32<x0auser>No, it's not working :/
19:32<x0auser>and tommorow i have an exam :/
19:32<strangelemon>x0auser: Have you grabbed only the first package or all of the ones I listed?
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19:34<retrospectacus>x0auser: have you tried different pdf viewers like xpdf or evince
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19:34<x0auser>yes , evince xpdf pdf viewer okular...
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19:35<kminor_>strangelemon : well my system just rebooted...probably something with that "software update" thing
19:35<strangelemon>x0auser: so did you get all of the packages?
19:35<strangelemon>kminor_: and that's it, now it's fixed?
19:35<kminor_>strangelemon : just by double clicking on sources.list, there was no "keep open" or download only box...that's wierd it rebooted my server in the other room
19:36<kminor_>strangelemon : but yeah it's fixed!!! wierd thing is, i backed up my sources.list prior to this & grep'd them & they're identical!
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19:36<strangelemon>kminor_: I don't really understand what's going on but if it's fixed it's fixed
19:37<kminor_>strangelemon : Yeah good point....that's just odd to me...wish i could understand it but you're right...if it's fixed it's fixed :)
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19:41<kminor_>strangelemon: I have the regular "main contrib non-free" and the security/main for squeeze. Do I need any "volitile" or other repo's that you would recommend or no?
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19:42<kminor_>Thanks again for your time though.
19:43<retrospectacus>dpkg tell kminor_ about volatile
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19:45<kminor_>retrospectacus: right on, I was curious about that thank you.
19:45<retrospectacus>kminor_: I would just proceed to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) and /msg dpkg sources.list
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19:51<kminor_>retrospectacus: I'm running this older european based hosting/domain control panel on this since it's my last i686 server..i had to pre-install some libraries prior to the dist-upgrade from lenny2squeeze, so i need to check on that & possibly do a new "partimage" backup since it works great on 32-bit machines... (doesnt work on amd64) then I will indeed do that sir
19:51<retrospectacus>fun :)
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19:57<kminor_>retrospectacus: Yeah tell me about it :). The new control panel I want to use on my Hp Proliant's (all amd64) is a complete re-write of the old one. So there's no possible way to migrate all the user/pass & web page/database data over to the new one. It's a royal headache
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20:01<kminor_>retrospectacus: there's all sorts of small little querks like changing quota.user & to "aquota.user &" for some reason when i dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze. Wish i could say i understood it.
20:01<kminor_>better safe than sorry though I suppose.
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20:05<retrospectacus>definitely not something to rush through - lots of research, backups, notes ... important decision whether to upgrade the machine or migrate to a new fresh install. VMs can help a lot too
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20:06<kminor_>Probably due to the fact that im using the old quota'd be a lot easier if i could get this old control panel to use "journald" but haven't been able to get it to respond to journald as of yet
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20:07<kminor_>retrospectacus: Yes indeed, that is good advice :). I double check things to the point of being a paranoid person lol.
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20:08<kminor_>retrospectacus: Yes VMs would be nice, however although my Hp Proliants can hold up to 64 gigs of RAM, this old 32-bit machine can't hold enough RAM to possibly run virtual machines properly.
20:09<lc_>hi , new on xfce .. how do i install new icons? i found that i've no .icons directory on my home. i created it and extracted the new icons in .icons but nothing work.. also in /usr/share/icons..
20:09<kminor_>Oh, u meant imaging my current system to VM image...I getcha.
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20:10<Stevie-O>anyone here familiar with PAM at all?
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20:22<kminor_>Stevie-O: I think I used PAM stuff when I was setting up Webmail SSL/TLS stuff for courier
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20:23<kminor_>I'm no expert though...these guys are pretty helpful though
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20:24<retrospectacus>Stevie-O: you should ask your real question, save yourself a lot of time and you might actually get an answer
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20:32<kminor_>retrospectacus: welp, i need to logoff here so I can umount my boot drive before the backup, but thanks for your advice, I'll use the /msg dpkg advice u gave me just to be sure if i get far enough to dist-upgrade again to wheezy thanks again
20:32<kminor_>strangelemon: thank you as well, see you around
20:32<rickbol>where is the login splash graphic specified for xfce wheezy? My graphic is whacked-out
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20:42<dclarke>is there a way to set my eth0 interface to a staticc ip? I try ifconfig eth0 netmask up but I always get a dhcp address
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21:10<Supaplex>dclarke: yeah, don't quit before someone says, man 5 interfaces
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21:25<fachex>I need help setting up a simple PPTP VPN server
21:26<fachex>I did it already but for some reason clients will not connect
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21:26<fachex>anybody available to help me?
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21:29<mrdrumrman>hello everyone. i got a huge problem here. i cant get the current software updates through the update section of this software and also it won't let me enter my password for authentication....instead it flickers several times then disapears. i tried everything to fix it. need your help or someones....please
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21:33<LtL>mrdrumrman: what software? what flickers, synaptic? open a terminal, become root and `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`
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21:34<mrdrumrman>ok i will try that. and btw its debian thats giving me the trouble what i am using here as we speak.
21:34<mrdrumrman>yes synaptic
21:35<LtL>mrdrumrman: sounds as if synaptic is acting up
21:35<mrdrumrman>big time dude
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21:35<LtL>mrdrumrman: dpo the update/upgrade and maybe re-install synaptic
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21:36<mrdrumrman>ok can i do that through root
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21:36<LtL>mrdrumrman: certainly
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21:37<mrdrumrman>ok im trying it now give me a minute please and thank you
21:37<LtL>mrdrumrman: type, su - hit enter, enter password, perform aforementioned commands
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21:40<mrdrumrman>ok i think its fixing it as we speak...
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21:44<LtL>mrdrumrman: reminder: don't forget to exit/logout of the root shell when completed.
21:45<mrdrumrman>hey its asking me to re run my boot loader. how do i do that
21:45<mrdrumrman>do i have restart the machine
21:46<aidalgol>Why can't I run ldd on i386 executables on my amd64 system??
21:46<LtL>mrdrumrman: you do have issues, no don't reboot unless you must
21:46<LtL>mrdrumrman: do you know your primary boot drive
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21:47<mrdrumrman>c drive is my primary
21:47<LtL>mrdrumrman: linux doesn't use C drive for a name
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21:48<mrdrumrman>ok my bad
21:48<mrdrumrman>so i don't know then
21:48<LtL>mrdrumrman: is this dual boot, and what was the exact 're-run bootloader message, it's new to me
21:48<mrdrumrman>i need to figure that out
21:49<mrdrumrman>hold on let me take a look again
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21:49<LtL>mrdrumrman: fresh install?
21:50<mrdrumrman>do you mean to re-install the software.
21:50<mrdrumrman>i don't have the disk or the flash drives for that
21:50<LtL>mrdrumrman: no, i asked if this is a brand new fresh install
21:50<mrdrumrman>no it is not
21:51<mrdrumrman> i had it for the past 6 months or so
21:51<LtL>mrdrumrman: any idea what may have gone wrong
21:52<LtL>mrdrumrman: what did apt-get upgrade do exactly, and what was the message it gave you
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21:52<mrdrumrman>my laptop hardrive is faulty. it may have something to do with that. i'm not sure. plus its an ide drive not one of the new ones. this laptop was built by me from old parts in a bin at a hacker space.
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21:53<LtL>mrdrumrman: hrm, have you seen i/o errors in the terminal
21:54<LtL>mrdrumrman: check dmesg also for disk problems
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21:55<mrdrumrman>i think i fixed it
21:56<mrdrumrman>i re ran apt-get upgraes again
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21:56<mrdrumrman>upgrades again
21:56<LtL>mrdrumrman: no errors?
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21:56<mrdrumrman>so far no errors
21:57<mrdrumrman>and its giving me the security updates i need
21:57<LtL>mrdrumrman: i would consider backing up important data if you suspect HDD failure
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21:58<mrdrumrman>no problem i was planning on doing just that tonight at home
21:58<mrdrumrman>thank u so much my friend
21:58<LtL>mrdrumrman: welcome
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21:58<LtL>mrdrumrman: fellow drummer ;)
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22:06<dustin>just installed wheezy on my toshiba laptop, and when it boots it throws up this error: Fail in evaluating the _REG object of the EC device. Broken Bios is suspected.
22:06<dustin>any thoughts?
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22:08<LtL>dustin: does the box work?
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22:10<dustin>works perfect
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22:12<LtL>dustin: i googled the error and came up with many hits, look at dmesg
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22:13<LtL>dustin: dmesg | grep -i error
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22:16<dustin>looks like some stuff requiring firmware-linux-nonfree
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22:19<mrdrumrman>yo ltl. i fixed my problem i thsnk you so much for your help your very patient and didn't give me a hard time
22:19<mrdrumrman>i really appreciate that very much. have a great day my friend. you the man
22:19<LtL>dustin: ah, well provide your sources.list has non-free enabled, apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree and reboot
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22:20<mrdrumrman>LtL....thank you for your help man i really appreciate it
22:20<LtL>mrdrumrman: glad to hear it, cheers
22:20<dustin>got it :)
22:20<dustin>im gonna try a reboot and see what happens
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22:20<dustin>thank you LtL
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22:21<aidalgol>Now that stable uses multiarch, how do I install the 32-bit libs for the proprietary nvidia driver on amd64?
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22:24<OldSoldier>dpkg tell aidalgol about nvidia
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22:25<aidalgol>OldSoldier: My question is more about multiarch than nvidia.
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22:26<Myon>I'd guess the wiki page will mention it, if there's a sensible way
22:27<SamB>aidalgol: what exactly do you want installed that isn't installed?
22:27<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. See also <multi-arch installer>.
22:27<OldSoldier>multiarch doe not mean you can install both the 32 and 64 bit versions of the driver.
22:28<aidalgol>I think I just need the glx library for a 32-bit program.
22:28<OldSoldier>it means you can install the 32 bit if you want, so just follow the directions to install nvidia 32 bit drivers
22:28<SamB>I think "apt get install <name-of-package>:i386" should do the trick?
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22:29*SamB doesn't remember where nvidia's glx thingy is ...
22:29<OldSoldier>yeah, you won't need ia32libs
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22:31<OldSoldier>nvidia-glx is what you are looking for IIRC
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22:31<OldSoldier>the 64 is named something else isnt it?
22:31*OldSoldier can't remember
22:31<aidalgol>Hmm, I seem to have some weird package situation. Lemme take care of this.
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22:33<aidalgol>OK, definitely don't want nvidia-glx:i386, because that pulls in *everything* for the nvidia driver on i386.
22:33<aidalgol>Must be libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386, as allorder said.
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22:35<aidalgol>apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 gives me this error:
22:39<aidalgol>OK, installing without the recommended package nvidia-settings does just fine.
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22:42<aidalgol>\rant{I *really* wish proprietary vendors would release 64-bit builds.}
22:42*aidalgol now has to install the 32-bit alsa dependency/ies.
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23:04<aidalgol>ok, done
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23:18<_Alex>Hi. I'm having troubles transfering files from an Android device that only supports the MTP protocol to Debian Wheezy with xfce. The device does not seem to be recognized.
23:20<doubledutch>via usb or similar? try: $ sudo tail /var/log/messages
23:20<doubledutch>and see if you can get some more info on what your Debian machine's doing when it's... I mean, are you plugging something in?
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23:21<_Alex>Yes, via USB, I'll paste the log on pastebin wait a sec
23:21<doubledutch>It should call it sdb or sdc or sdf even... you should be able to pick out what it is and get some more info on it?
23:22<doubledutch>_Alex: Have you seen/do you have this?
23:22<_Alex>I installed mtp-tools and plugged it again. This is the log:
23:23<_Alex>How should I proceed to mount and access it?
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23:30<_Alex>I issued mount -a to mount everything but it still is not displayed on the file explorer.
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23:35<doubledutch>Google doesn't report anybody else trying to mount this device or this type of device with Linux?
23:36<doubledutch>Maybe you don't MOUNT it, you like, connect to it or send it commands?
23:36<doubledutch>What is it?
23:37<_Alex>It's a LG branded cellphone running Android 4 point something. It should be automatically mounted when plugged, it's really annoying having to go throught this trouble with most devices I try to plug in. Anyway, I'm trying to use gphoto2 now.
23:39<_Alex>mtpfs seems to be the way to go, but it is not on Debian repos.
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23:41<themill>mtpfs is in debian but not in wheezy. There are recent phones that don't interact well with the mtp in debian... I gave up and used adb last time I needed to copy files around
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23:44<_Alex>I was able to import the pictures using shotwell, an image organizer software that is the default image viwer in GNOME. But for other files I'm not sure what I should use. I mean, since it worked with shotwell the device is obviously being recognized by the system, but for some reason it is not automatically mounted nor does it appears on /etc/fstab or mtab
23:46<themill>it's not actually mounted -- the data is transferred with either mtp or ptp (depending on your setup) directly to the device. Recent devices have stopped being USB mass storage devices
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23:48<_Alex>hum... I never liked the idea of not being able to browse through the files. I mean, they are stored in the SD card after all, so it should be simple... I guess I'll just buy one of those sd card adapters so I can connect it to the computer.
23:51<doubledutch>I have an sd card to usb reader, exactly this...
23:51<doubledutch>Never been used, bought accidentally in a drunken haze thinking it was a usb key. If you PayPal or Dwolla me $3 I'll ship it tomorrow. :D
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23:53<_Alex>Haha, thanks, but I think the shipping to Brazil would be more than the adapter itself. Thanks for the help anyway.
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23:53<doubledutch>No problem! :D
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