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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-05-30

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01:11<nadir>hi, i usually got the osmo directory sshfs mounted from .profile, i log in, it gets mounted, i startx and autostart osmo. That works.
01:11<nadir>I now try to get the head into gnome3. mounting osmo-dir is still in .profile, but it doesn't happen.
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01:11<nadir>how to do that when using gdm3 ?
01:12<nadir>simply put the script in autoload and hope that it happens before osmo starts?
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01:17<jm_>you could start both from the same script in sequential order
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01:20<nadir>jm_ ah, ok. You mean like this: my script -> sshfs mounts -> (later) start osmo
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01:21<nadir>and if using "osmo" as a command in the script, anything i need to think of ? (As it's a gui app, etc ...)
01:21<jm_>nadir: yes, you could even use it like 'mountssh && osmo' (assuming mountssh exits with appropriate codes) and then put this in startup stuff
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01:22<nadir>jm_ that's a good solution. thanks a lot
01:22<jm_>nadir: no worries
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01:22<nadir>was stuck in my old way of doing it ... stubborn ...
01:22<madzarx>Hi there
01:23<MichaelP>Can't get my broadcom wireless going !!
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01:24<madzarx>How can I install tar.gz packages?
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01:33<txtd>madzarx, start by unpacking the "tarball": tar -xvf /path/to/SomePackage-n.nn.tar.gz. Go into the directory it creates and look for a file called INSTALL. If you find one, read it. No INSTALL file? Look for README. Or a subdirectory named docs. Follow the instructions found in one of those files. No documentation? Is there a file called "Makefile"? Try just typing "make". Else, is there a file called "configure"? If so
01:33<k9>I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy; it was ugly but it finally worked after I pulled off most old gnome packages with dpkg. But I'm finding the radeon driver is not working well with my Radeon HD 6310. If I log out or kill the display manager the screen goes black on all TTYs and I have to SSH in to reboot. And I can not make my second screen do anything but mirror the first with arandr, krandrtray, whatever gnome uses, and the normal rand
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01:35<k9>I tried to install fglrx from the repository using the wiki, it seemed to work as far as apt-get was concerned, but restarting with a configured xorg.conf gave me a crashed driver. I don't have my Xorg.0.log, I am not sure why. My question is "has anyone got fglrx to work properly on Wheezy"?
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01:44<k9>The http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary says that in Wheezy "AMD released a fix for the segfaults the 12.6 update had caused (see #671320). This "point release" recently migrated to testing and should work. It would be nice to hear about some independent success story here." It sounds like an updated version of the fglrx is crapping out for a lot of people.
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01:46<haylo|cgraf>k9: did you follow the instructions that dpkg the channel bot provides ?
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01:46<k9>How do I get the channel to give the the instructions, haylo?
01:47<haylo|cgraf> /msg dpkg
01:47<haylo|cgraf> ask it about fglrx dkms
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01:51<k9> /msg dpkg fglrx
01:51<jm_>!tell k9 -about fglrx
01:51<jm_>but it should be very similar to the wiki if not the pointer to wiki
01:51<k9>Thanks jm
01:51<Infiltrator>k9: No space; it's an IRC client command.
01:51<jm_>no worries
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01:52<k9>Yup, just points to the Wiki, which I've already wrestled with.
01:52<haylo|cgraf>fglrx dkms will spit you out a pone liner
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01:52<haylo|cgraf>!fglrx dkms
01:52<dpkg>For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist.
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02:47<jarchy>How are my fellow debian peps
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03:29<Supaplex>!test
03:29<dpkg>Test failed.
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03:31<dDoct>hi all
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03:47<dDoct>I've got a bad thing: google searches/gmail loads 1% of the time, can't scp files to others (but I can scp others' files to me), dropbox doesn't upload, testmy.net upload test hangs (but download is fine)
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03:48<dDoct>any ideas for extra tests I can run to narrow the problem down?
03:49<Stummi>dDoct, which debian version? Do you have some special configurations on your networks?
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03:52<dDoct>wheezy, stable
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03:53<dDoct>Stummi: it was working fine for the past 4 weeks
03:54<dDoct>Stummi: all the other (windows) boxes at home have no problems with any of the things I have mentioned
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03:55<Stummi>so it worked fine and now magically stopped working?
03:55<stdhell>dDoct: Have you checked if it's DNS-related or on a lower level?
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03:55<dDoct>Stummi: pretty much.
03:55<dDoct>stdhell: how would I check that?
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03:55<Stummi>dDoct, are you connected via wlan? Maybe somebody other use your channel now
03:55<Stummi>*uses
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03:56<stdhell>Does dig -t a google.com give a response right away or do you have to wait?
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03:56<dDoct>stdhell: it responds instantly
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03:57<dDoct>stdhell: ping works fine as well, I can access most sites from firefox fine
03:57<stdhell>Can you dump traceroute -n google.com on paste.debian.net?
03:57<stdhell>So it's only some sites?
03:58<stdhell>Can you do a traceroute -n to a site that works and to one that doesn't?
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04:00<dDoct>http://paste.debian.net/7515/ - results of traceroute -n google.com
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04:01<stdhell>Seems ok.
04:01<dDoct>stdhell: yeah, this is bizarre
04:01<valdyn>dDoct: small packets work for you, big ones don't -> theres a routing problem
04:02<valdyn>!mss
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04:02<dDoct>valdyn: I suspected something like that, but the thing is that the other computers connected through the same router at home have no issues
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04:03<stdhell>Can you try the traceroute with a larger packet size?
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04:05<stdhell>dDoct: You don't have a (broken) squid proxy or something like that?
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04:07<Supaplex>dpkg: tcpmss
04:07<dpkg>Supaplex: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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04:09<dDoct>stdhell: I can traceroute to gmail with 1200 byte packets fine
04:10<valdyn>dDoct: the error most be near the mtu size or even above the mtu size
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04:10<dDoct>stdhell: I don't have a proxy at home...
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04:12<dDoct>valdyn: what does it mean when traceroute returns 25 lines of '* * *'?
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04:12<dDoct>see http://paste.debian.net/7519/
04:13<valdyn>dDoct: theres your error
04:13<valdyn>dDoct: i dont know what *exactly* it means, but its defenitely a symptom of your issue
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04:15<valdyn>dDoct: shrink your mtu to a size where things work fine
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04:15<valdyn>dDoct: thats not a proper fix but it might be a workaround
04:15<dDoct>valdyn: how do I do that?
04:15<valdyn>dDoct: with ifconfig
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04:17<valdyn>dDoct: dont make it to small either, just at the maximum where you can for instance ping (with that packet size)
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04:18<valdyn>dDoct: how are you connected to the internet btw?
04:19<valdyn>dDoct: home routers should not have this problem ( like the ones you get from your isp ). Building your own router should more commonly have such problem.
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04:20<dDoct>valdyn: mine is straight from the isp
04:21<valdyn>dDoct: http://blog.ioshints.info/2013/01/tcp-mss-clamping-what-is-it-and-why-do.html
04:21<Stummi>valdyn, dDoct: (IIRC) * * * means, this tracerout-package tooked another path than the one before
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04:22<dDoct>valdyn, stummi: changing the mtu seems to have fixed the problem!
04:22<dDoct>I'm checking things now
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04:23<dDoct>valdyn, Stummi: everything checks out, thanks a bunch
04:24<valdyn>dDoct: that looks to me now like your isp-provided router is broken (not fragmenting packets properly). You need someone with more knowledge about tcp/ip than me to figure out what exactly is going on.
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04:25<dDoct>valdyn: yes, I'm going to play with mtu sizes for a while and see what happens
04:25<dDoct>valdyn; maybe play with the windows boxes as well
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04:27<dDoct>valdyn: it was weird that it started failing spontaneously. Thanks again for your help, you've saved me some head-wall banging/grey hairs
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04:45<xubuntu4>ola k ase
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04:46<xubuntu4>putaaa
04:46<stdhell>xubuntu4: Got any Debian-related questions?
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04:50<xubuntu4>eee ahialguien?
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04:51<stdhell>!es
04:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:51<stdhell>!ubuntu
04:51<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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05:52<craue>aloha
05:53<craue>i've just upgraded a staging server from squeeze to wheezy and now run into this issue with php: https://github.com/symfony/symfony/issues/5868
05:53<craue>is it likely that this fix will be applied to php in wheezy?
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05:54<themill>craue: unlikely, but start by filing a bug against the wheezy php5 package and discuss it with the maintainers.
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05:57<craue>themill: hmm, where/how? i hoped some maintainers would be here ;)
05:57<themill>craue: "reportbug php5" would be a good start
05:57<Stummi>yeah, either reportbug or read the reference for the b.d.o mailserver and send a mail
05:58<craue>b.d.o?
05:58<Stummi>bugs.debian.org
05:58<craue>:) alright
05:59<Stummi>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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06:02<craue>oh boy
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06:31<david>hell all
06:32<babilen>david: hell to you too!
06:32<david>getting ready to install debian for the first time but some quick questions. How up to date is testing?
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06:33<craue>themill, Stummi: i just downgraded php now
06:33<babilen>david: First and foremost, you wouldn't install testing, but wheezy either way. What constitutes up-to-date for you? You'll get the latest testing if you track testing, but you certainly won't necessarily have the latest upstream versions.
06:35<babilen>david: If you consider running testing, I would recommend a mix with unstable at the moment so that you can pull packages from unstable as you see fit. I would also like to point out that running testing *will* require time and some knowledge of Debian packaging internals (in particular maintainer scripts). I'd recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable to learn about testing/unstable
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06:37<babilen>david: testing and unstable are also supported in #debian-next and not here. My advice would be to run wheezy, but if you want to give testing a try then read "/msg dpkg tum" to learn how to configure the mix with unstable. See "/msg dpkg install debian" for installation instructions and use "/msg dpkg firmware images" if you have a working internet connection during the installation. Any particular wishes regarding desktop environment?
06:38<david>yes
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06:39<babilen>david: Care to elaborate? :)
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06:41<david>KDE because XFCE is to plain for me(yea I know compiz ect...) and Im tired of this crazy DE forking going on. For example with gnome alone we have cinnamon, unity, pantheon, ect... Plus I like aesthetics.
06:41<babilen>dpkg: tell david -about install kde
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06:41<david>What I really want is a KDE rolling distro
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06:43<david>I was thinking openSUSE but found they are founded by Microsoft. Community is pretty important to me. This IRC is usually active?
06:43<babilen>david: Well, running testing *is* work and you will have to invest some time to learn about Debian -- I have no idea how much experience you have, so I cannot advise you any further. If the idea of testing appeals to you then you can give it a try, but please read the wiki page I mentioned earlier and familiarise yourself with Debian and its packaging.
06:44<babilen>david: This channel (and #debian on irc.freenode.net) are typically quite active -- But as mentioned earlier, testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next on this network and not here.
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06:45<babilen>david: Read the wiki page I linked earlier, make sure you do have apt-{listbugs,listchanges} installed, subscribe to debian-devel{,-announce}, check ongoing <transitions> once in a while, idle in the channel and think whenever you run "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" if what it is doing is what you want.
06:45<david>understood. KDE runs fine in debian? Some distros it does not. And my experience is very limited, im no expert.
06:46<babilen>david: I am not a KDE user and never was, but we have quite an active KDE team and I would be surprised if KDE is not well supported.
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06:46<david>are you a developer?
06:47<babilen>david: I'd recommend to read: 1. http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ (in particular 1.5, 5. and 6.), along with http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html and familiarise yourself with the apt-* tools
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06:48<babilen>david: Well, I am a Debian Maintainer, but yes
06:49<david>I have herd debian is a hard distro to use. Are they over exaggerating.
06:50<jm_>yes
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06:50<jm_>note that some people think stuff is hard if they have to invest more than 5 seconds to understand anything
06:51<babilen>david: I wouldn't say that and we work hard to make Debian easy to use and a pleasant experience. What is true, however, is that we might make less decisions for you. One thing that I personally like about Debian is that it is predictable and very transparent.
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06:52<babilen>david: How much experience do you have with Linux and Debian?
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06:54<david>I ran fedora once. And got my system up and running. Just by copying some commands to add flash and codecs form the internet. I know the basics of partitioning, ex: root(/), /swap, /home. and some basic ubuntu commands. sudo apt-get install ect....
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06:56<david>But i do perfer out of the box experience. Im kinda lazy lol
06:59<babilen>david: Well, my recommendation would be to install wheezy and give that a try. Learn Debian and its idiosyncrasies and come here whenever you run into problems. Read the documentation (in particular the handbook) that I pointed out above ... There is no free lunch -- If you want bleeding edge you get untested, buggy packages ... If you can deal/live with that, okay, great. But you will be expected to check bugs, report them and invest *some* ...
06:59<babilen>... time. If you want a working system then run stable.
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07:00<david>thanks for your advice. I g2g and think lol. Take care.
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07:01<babilen>david: I (and other people in this channel) are happy to help you with typical setup tasks (e.g. getting your hardware running, applications, ...) and much more. We've just released wheezy and it is a good release, you can *always* upgrade to testing (or unstable) if you want that. You can even run testing now if you are willing to invest the time and accept the problems associated with that approach.
07:01<babilen>david: have fun
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07:41<willemb>so, no mysql-server in squeeze backports?
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07:42<stdhell>willemb: You do know that wheezy is stable now, right?
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07:48<willemb>stdhell: yes. And in preparation to upgrading to wheezy, I'd like to have mysql 5.5 on squeeze, first
07:48<willemb>if i had one box to worry about, it would be fine
07:48<willemb>but i have +- 2000
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07:52<stdhell>I see...
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07:58<willemb>the 5.5 version at dotdeb is 5.5.31 and wheezy has 5.5.30
07:58<willemb>will that be a problem?
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07:59<valdyn>willemb: how would you know that its 5.5.30 in wheezy?
07:59<willemb>seeing as how oracle sometimes slip in features with bug releases, an upgrade to wheezy would mean a downgrade of mysql
07:59<willemb>valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mysql-server
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07:59<willemb>5.5.30+dfsg-1.1
08:00<valdyn>willemb: the upstream version number you see in package versions is the base the debian package, it could be identical to 5.5.31
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08:00<valdyn>willemb: youll have to read the changelog in debian and in upstream to actually see if theres a difference
08:01<themill>I also wouldn't use the dotdeb packages on anything I valued
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08:02<willemb>http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/m/mysql-5.5/mysql-5.5_5.5.30+dfsg-1.1_changelog says 4.4.30 was a new upstream release, and nothing later was
08:02<willemb>themill: why wouldn't you?
08:03<valdyn>dotdeb already has a reputation for breaking debian
08:03<willemb>damn
08:04<willemb>ok, so i have no real option other than backporting it myself, then?
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08:04<valdyn>willemb: as far as you said you dont even know that you need .31
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08:05<willemb>i don't
08:05<valdyn>willemb: what makes more sense, trusting debian the properly maintain their package or trusting yourself to have the timem,commitment and ability to properly maintain that package?
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08:06<willemb>valdyn: obviously using a debian package is the best
08:06<willemb>but i do need 5.5
08:06<valdyn>(thats not meant to be a rethorical question )
08:06<habstinat>The package libsvn-java (an indirect dependency of NetBeans) isn't available on mipsel, so I'd like to check the build logs to see why, but <https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=libsvn-java&suite=wheezy> yeilds no results. Any ideas?
08:07<willemb>could i still run 5.5 on wheezy?
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08:07<stdhell>willemb: mysql-server-5.5 is in wheezy...
08:07<habstinat>I've never tried to check build logs before; is this how I should do it? Is the package named differently?
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08:07<willemb>sorry, i meant, can i still run 5.1 on wheezy
08:07<valdyn>willemb: 5.5.31 is in wheezy
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08:08<valdyn>willemb: sure its possible, but youll have to maintain that yourself I guess
08:09<willemb>i don't follow
08:09<willemb>why is it called 5.5.30 then?
08:09<willemb>since the version in squeeze is 5.1.49, not just f.1.40
08:09<willemb>not just 5.1.40
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08:09<valdyn>willemb: 5.5.31 is in wheezy/updates
08:10<willemb>aah
08:10<willemb>ok
08:10<valdyn>willemb: its a security fix it seems
08:10<willemb>so if i were to install 5.5.31 from dotdeb, i could still smoothly upgrade to wheezy later, without a version downgrade
08:10<willemb>however, i am now not so keen on dotdeb any more :-(
08:11<valdyn>habstinat: the source is "subversion"
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08:11<stdhell>habstinat: I think you need to use the name of the source package, but to be honest, I never tried it either.
08:11<stdhell>Yeah, what valdyn said... :-)
08:12<habstinat>How can I find out the name of the source package for the future?
08:12<stdhell>apt-cache show ... | grep '^Source:'
08:13<habstinat>stdhell: Thanks a lot.
08:13<stdhell>No problem.
08:13<willemb>so, back at what I asked last. If I want to upgrade mysql to the version I would eventually have under wheezy, without going all the way to wheezy right now, I have to either trust dotdeb, or backport the wheezy version to squeeze myself. Correct?
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08:14<habstinat>I think the problem was that someone passed the --disable-java flag to ./configure in this case
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08:16<habstinat>Considering Java (jre6 and jre7) works fine on mips, what can I do about this?
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08:17<valdyn>willemb: yea
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08:40<babilen>willemb: I have no idea how well an upgrade from dotdeb to the version in wheezy would work. It is by no means supported by us (or the maintainer scripts that run when you install/upgrade a package) and we had people in here who had problems with dotdeb during the squeeze->wheezy upgrade. From what I've seen: Don't use dotdeb -- Deploy your PHP code on a platform that supports the version of PHP you need or (better!?) get your developers to ...
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08:40<babilen>... develop PHP code that works with more than one version. (if that's not possible, switch to Python or Perl or Clojure or Ruby or ...)
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08:41<babilen>willemb: Ah, mysql ... (sorry) -- I wouldn't use dotdeb. If you require the version in wheezy then use wheezy. Not sure how easy it is to get hold of a backport, but lets check that.
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08:43<babilen>willemb: Your last assumption is correct, but neither of your conclusions strike me as particularly appealing. I'd recommend to simply run wheezy as the alternatives are quite likely to be more work and might cause additional problems or incompatibilities with other packages.
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08:45<willemb>babilen: thanks for your input. that would be first prize, woudln't it?
08:45<willemb>problem is, we are a hosting company with tens of thousands of websites on shared hosting servers, and about as many on dedicated customer boxes
08:45<willemb>we try not to change too much at the same time
08:46<willemb>so our upgrade strategy is:
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08:46<willemb>install the next version of debian's php alongside the current version and gives customers a way to test their code by flipping their sites between versions
08:46<willemb>then upgrade mysql and deal with the fallout
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08:47<willemb>then upgrade the operating system, which should have no real impact, as the two major components have been running on the expected version for quite a while
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08:50<babilen>willemb: I do understand your concerns and you can, naturally, investigate backporting (and hosting) your own MySQL backport, but keep in mind that a number of packages in the archive might depend on a specific version of MySQL and that you might have to take care of that.
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08:51<willemb>babilen: thanks.
08:51<willemb>we already do that for apache and php anyway
08:51<willemb>and php is a bitch to build in that way
08:51<babilen>willemb: That being said: I personally remember at least two people who had *massive* problems during the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy due to them having dotdeb packages installed. I would strongly recommend to not deploy those as they will, most likely, cause you more headaches than they gain you in the short term.
08:52<willemb>thanks, babilen
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08:53<babilen>willemb: But *please* don't take my word for it, but run your own tests. This is too important to simply rely on same (semi-) random person in #debian -- Our experience with dotdeb has been more than suboptimal (and that is british understatement) so backporting the packages yourself is the only sensible option IMHO.
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09:04<willemb>thanks, babilen
09:04<willemb>it won't compile in our build environment
09:04<willemb>i will see if it works to build from dotdeb's source and, if it does, figure out what the difference is
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09:08<ThaNaTroN>hi all
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09:20<tuvwx>i'm running a program that uses a lot of memory. in addition to a swap partition, i created and enabled a swapfile (100GB). the program no longer gets killed by oomkiller, but now, after running for 3+ days, the machine dies. nothing is syslog, no messages whatsoever, just a frozen machine with no signal on the monitors and no ping replies. what could be going wrong here?
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09:23<Stummi>tuvwx, swap on a regular HDD is very slow, especially when it is not only used for swapping out unused data, so there is permanent swapping. And yes, this can make an system unusable
09:24<Stummi>and i am not sure how the system behaves if you combine a swap partition with an swap file
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09:26<tuvwx>Stummi: the same setup is working fine on another machine. both running squeeze. the second machine has 16GB of RAM and 2 disks in RAID1 while the problematic one has 14GB of RAM and a single disk. i know it's slow, and i'm fine with that. they both spend significant amount of time just swapping (high disk activity, 0 cpu usage), but the first machine consistently dies after a while
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09:27<trico>did you run memtest?
09:27<blast007>tuvwx: did you check for any useful information in the logs?
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09:28<tuvwx>blast007: yes. nothing unusual in syslog, or any other log file i could think of
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09:34<trico>!dpkg clamav
09:34<dpkg>Clam AntiVirus (ClamAV) is a GPL/FLOSS anti-virus toolkit for Unix-like systems, mainly used with a <MTA> for virus scanning. Install the clamav-freshclam package to automatically update virus definitions. "OUTDATED" warnings are a known issue (Debian bug #418963, wontfix). Install the libclamunrar6 <non-free> package for RAR file support. http://www.clamav.net/ #clamav on irc.freenode.net. See also <squeeze-updates>.
09:34<stdhell>tuvwx: Have you done a badblock check?
09:35<tuvwx>stdhell: no.. but shouldn't there by some clues in the logs if it was a disk issue?
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09:36<trico>stdhell: check the memory. several times ive traced weird crashes/freezes with no logs to bad ram
09:36<stdhell>tuvwx: Not if the fault doesn't show up until it's too late.
09:36<stdhell>trico: It's not my box...
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09:38<stdhell>tuvwx: If the kernel dies, the box won't get a chance to write anything in the log files.
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09:40<Stummi>checking the tty after the machine dies, if possible, could be give an hint
09:40<Stummi>-be
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09:43<Guest313>greetings all
09:43<Guest313>oh...
09:43<babilen>Guest313: Hello, what can we help you with?
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09:44<Guest313>well first, gotta get my nick name back....:/
09:44<Guest313>then we'll deal with my system not shutting down when I tell it :)
09:45<Stummi>Guest313, /nick yournick
09:45<Guest313>I'm getting "Nickname is already in use."
09:45<Stummi>so choose another nick
09:46<Guest313>but...it
09:46<Guest313>err...it's not in use.... O_o
09:46<stdhell>No buts!
09:46<Stummi>Guest211, if you registered that nick, you can ghost it
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09:46<stdhell>* dragondon is now known as DragonDon
09:47<stdhell>It's not that hard to guess what happened...
09:47<Guest313>it is to me, this has never happened in any of the other channels/severs I have been on
09:47<Stummi>oh, wait, didn't saw this
09:48<stdhell>You changed your nick to the same thing in another case.
09:48<Guest313>another case...
09:48<Guest313>didnt' like that it seems
09:48<stdhell>In other words: The nick was in use.
09:48<stdhell>(by you, but that's beside the point.)
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09:49<babilen>Guest313: "/msg nickserv help regain" to learn how to regain a nickname.
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09:50<Guest313>ah, thanks.
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09:51<Guest313>ok, so it tells me what to type, I do so and then I get "No channel joined. Try /join #<channel>"
09:54<babilen>Guest313: Not sure what you tried, but you can regain a nickname by sending the "REGAIN nickname [password]" to nickserv - you naturally have to replace the placeholders. A valid command would, for example, be "regain DragonDon hunter2" -- If you continue to have problems join #help or #oftc and we can discuss it there. You naturally have to identify to DragonDon first (see "help identify" for that)
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09:57<Guest313>on #help now. thanks.
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09:59<tuvwx>so what's the right badblock command these days? what the proper options?
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10:00<Guest313>help identify
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10:00<Guest313>ok....got me. thought I'd try it in the channel :/
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10:02<babilen>DragonDon: So, what can we (#debian) do for you now that you've found yourself?
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10:03<DragonDon>heh...found myself :). Ok, my system will not shutdown or reboot from the menu. been doing this for ever, never concenred myself with it but figured I should fix that
10:03<DragonDon>not sure where to start
10:04<babilen>DragonDon: btw, nickserv's help message is correct -- you simply have to send commands to it (with "/msg NICK") or type the commands in a query (after "/query NickServ")
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10:04<babilen>DragonDon: Ok, which system is that? Which distribution do you use, how did you install it and which desktop environment is this? What happens *if* you try to shutdown the computer from "the menu" ? Which menu are you referring to? (and so on)
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10:05<DragonDon>babilen, but not being an IRC user, I would never have kwon that. <shrug> just makes more work for you guys. Thanks again any ways.
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10:06<babilen>dpkg: tell DragonDon -about irc tutorial
10:07<DragonDon>ok, uname gives me 2.6.32-5-amd64, it is a Desktop, used a CD to install. Menu means click on System -> Shutdown
10:07<babilen>DragonDon: You might want to read those two documents to familiarise yourself with IRC
10:07<babilen>DragonDon: When did you install that system?
10:07<DragonDon>last year
10:07<DragonDon>april I think...
10:08<DragonDon>checking
10:08<DragonDon>yeah, april 21
10:08<babilen>okay, it is quite outdated and we have released a new version of Debian in the meanwhile. I'd recommend to upgrade to wheezy (the current stable release) first. That being said, it might simply be due to your user not being a member of the "powerdev" group. Could you run "id" and show me the output of that command?
10:09<babilen>Well, "quite outdated" is wrong. It is simply the old stable release (which is still supported) :)
10:09<DragonDon>what is the preferred paste site for here? I know too many of them now...
10:10<babilen>http://paste.debian.net is good as is http://paste.ubuntu.com or http://refheap.com -- pick your poison
10:10<babilen>Just don't use pastebin.com
10:10<babilen>dpkg: tell DragonDon -about release notes
10:10<babilen>dpkg: tell DragonDon -about squeeze->wheezy
10:11<DragonDon>id output http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7ffedb9d/
10:11<DragonDon>no powerdev
10:11<babilen>DragonDon: I have to leave soon(ish) and just wanted to make sure that you know how to upgrade to the current stable release. Our bot should have sent you links to the release notes in a private message. Can you read that?
10:12<DragonDon>yeah, I got the message. ALthough I will say this, 'upgrading to fix solutions' does concern me because this is a problem that should be independant of that...at least I would think so
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10:14<babilen>DragonDon: No, I did not mean to imply that you have to upgrade to fix this particular problem, but rather in general. Have to run soon and didn't want to leave without providing you with those links.
10:15<DragonDon>thanks babilen
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10:17<babilen>DragonDon: Argh, sorry ... don't have the time to talk you through this right now. Somebody else might be able to help you right now.
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10:17<DragonDon>that's ok...no rush...system ain't going any where....
10:17<DragonDon>can do this any othe rtime
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10:25<jpinx>DragonDon: did you ever run an update of your system since installing it ?
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10:28<DragonDon>jpinx, yes, as well as the normal updates that auto-check
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10:29<tuvwx>is badblocks the program to use for checking bad sectors, or is there something better?
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10:38<bullgard4>tuvwx: There is nothing better (except for special circumstances).
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10:39<bino>hi
10:40<bino>to encrypt the hd, I will have to reinstall system or over, and i dont have problem ?
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10:42<jpinx>DragonDon: Not sure what you mean by auto-update... but if you run aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade - that will take care of the system, mostly for security issues
10:42<DragonDon>I mean the automatic functions that checks for updates
10:43<jpinx>DragonDon: I am assuming you are still running Squeeze (as am I) but that should not affect your use of irssi - depending on how you installed it
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10:43<DragonDon>irssi?
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10:44*jpinx is unaware ore of any automatic functions that check for updates of debian
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10:45<DragonDon>jpinx, the update manager....
10:45<tuvwx>bullgard4: thanks.. i'm running e2fsck -vcck ...
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10:46<jpinx>DragonDon: I'm guessing your running gnome of kde or what ?
10:46<DragonDon>gnome
10:46<jpinx>s/of/or
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10:47<jpinx>DragonDon: I gdm and I have not been able to reboot or shutdown from my gui menu for a long time, but gdm has options when you ask for "logout" from your gui menu
10:48<DragonDon>jpinx, bablien mentioned something about the powerdev group....but we didn't have time to get into it. I can 'sudo shutdown -r now' from a terminal though
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10:50<jpinx>DragonDon: you can add yourself to powerdev and see if that works
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10:51<DragonDon>was thinking of doing that....lemme see
10:51<bullgard4>tuvwx: Note that in general it is not safe to run e2fsck on mounted filesystems.
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10:52<jpinx>DragonDon: check your own groups first
10:52<tuvwx>bullgard4: yeah.. i'm running it off grml. checked disk not mounted
10:52<DragonDon>jpinx, did that, defintely not part of the powerdev :)
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10:52<bullgard4>tuvwx: Good.
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10:53<jpinx>DragonDon: try adding yourself -- it won't do any harm and you can undo it if that is not the solution
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10:54<DragonDon>jpinx, looking at that....never added myself to a group....looking up the syntax
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10:54<jemadux>any good .Xdefaults for urxvt ?
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10:58<DragonDon>jpinx, well, added me to the powerdev group...group doesn't show when I use the 'groups' command....:/ I'll test it out when I crash...maybe in an hour
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10:59<jpinx>DragonDon: you need to log out and back in to make a group change effective
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11:00<jpinx>DragonDon: why does it crash ?
11:00<DragonDon>no...I meant me,,,sorry :)
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11:01<jpinx>DragonDon: ok - do the logout and back in again ands then try shutting down or rebooting from the gui menu
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11:02<DragonDon>jpinx, yea, will do. got a few chats going on, so will try it later. thanks.
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11:09<eflynn>what's a good way to start a gui program from command line without getting tons of messages
11:09<themill>eflynn: what sort of program? (gtk, kde, ...)
11:09<eflynn>chrome
11:10<Maulkin>"nohup myprogram &>/dev/null &"
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11:11<eflynn>what does nohup do exactly. i just read the man page...
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11:13<retrospectacus>prevents the program from dying when you close the terminal
11:13<Calinou>no hangups
11:13<Calinou>retrospectacus: can't you use "& disown" too?
11:13<retrospectacus>yeah
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11:14<eflynn>retrospectacus, but what becomes the "parent" when you close the terminal
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11:15<retrospectacus>nothing, I guess
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11:15<Maulkin>It redirects inputs and outputs and catches signals which allows you to safely background applications running in terminals, and later close that terminal
11:16<MiningMarsh>when a program loses its parent, init always becomes the parent.
11:16<eflynn>oh, okay, thanks
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11:20<MiningMarsh>So, I am running a debian system on a machine with a 2.6.26 kernel that can't be upgraded. I tried to update the system last night, but libc is telling me the latest glibc is only compatible with kernels 2.6.32 and above. Since libc wont upgrace, neither will anything else. Is there some alternative libc I can install that is compatible with this old kernel?
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11:22<mcr-credil>well, the newer libc likely will work with older kernels, but the various dependancies don't agree. Why, if your machine can't be upgraded, are you upgrading it?
11:22<MiningMarsh>the kernel can't be upgraded
11:22<MiningMarsh>everything else can.
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11:24<bino>doubt
11:24<bino>to encrypt the hd, I will have to reinstall system or over, and i dont have problem ?
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11:25<bighornram>I'm getting an error that iscsi is running from /usr. I'm trying to resize. I can't find anything about this on my system. Any suggestions?
11:25<DragonDon>bino, you might want to read up on this http://www.truecrypt.org/
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11:26<MiningMarsh>mcr-credil: it is a kindle keyboard, I run debian on it in a chrooted environment with a terminal. I use it for development on the go. So, I can upgrade the chroot environment, but I can't replace the kernel.
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11:27<bino>DragonDon: thank you.
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11:32<mcr-credil>ah, I see, chroot.
11:32<mcr-credil>just install the new kernel in the chroot. It won't get used anyway.
11:33<mcr-credil>that solves the dependancy problem. (I run squeeze on my ASUS TF300, chroot... I am trying to fix the Terminal Emulator to support CAPS-LOCK=> CONTROL)
11:33<MiningMarsh>mcr-credil: Thanks. I didn't even think about trying that.
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11:39<Johnthor>any indonesian??
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11:40<giuseppe>is it possible install a printer by terminal?
11:40<giuseppe>my print use wifi
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11:40<giuseppe>printer **
11:40<Johnthor>yes
11:40<retrospectacus>Johnthor: http://www.deb-id.org/
11:40<Johnthor>thanks alot
11:40<giuseppe>Johnthor, and how ?
11:41<Johnthor>click that link above
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11:45<dave_>oi
11:45<vale>ola'
11:45<dave_>dimmi
11:45<vale>vengo ma e' tutto ok?
11:45<dave_>si
11:45<retrospectacus>!it
11:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:45<dave_>il mio solito amico
11:46<dave_>oi
11:46<vale>ok c s vede per le 9
11:46<dave_>c 6
11:46<dave_>ok
11:46<dave_>come al solito
11:46<dave_>??
11:46<vale>si si
11:47<retrospectacus>!ops italians run amuk
11:47<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: retrospectacus complains about: italians run amuk
11:47<vale>ciao
11:47<dave_>ok
11:47<dave_>ciao
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11:59<MiningMarsh>mcr-credil: So, libc6 is not installing from a dependency error, the kernel version check is in the actual installation script of the package. However, the newer kernel has a dependency on the newer libc6. So I can't install either.
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12:00<mcr-credil>edit/hack the install script maybe. /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc.*
12:01<mcr-credil>might be hard to do... you might have to dpkg --force-* stuff... it might well fail, because there really is a hard dependancy on the new kernel, but usually glibc works around old APIs...
12:01<mcr-credil>might not be true on ARM though!
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12:08<MiningMarsh>mcr-credil: You sure /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc.* is what gets run? I commented out the kernel version check, but it is still being run on install.
12:08<hanun>hello
12:08<mcr-credil>it might be that when you install again, that it overwrites that file.
12:08<hanun>ji
12:08<hanun>hi
12:08<mcr-credil>is it a pre-* file or a post-* file?
12:08<MiningMarsh>mcr-credil: I already checked for that
12:09<MiningMarsh>mcr-credil: Its preinst
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12:09<mcr-credil>not sure... maybe it runs it from elsewehre... I only ever hacked postrm checks on broken packages.
12:09<mcr-credil>lunch.
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12:09<MiningMarsh>mcr-credil: It looks like the file gets copied to and then run from a cache
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13:02<alexis_>Hello ! :)
13:03<alexis_>May I ask for some help ?
13:03<retrospectacus>!ask
13:03<melmothX>!ask
13:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:04<alexis_>I am on wheezy. How can I install all the debs from a folder ? I tried dpkg -i *.deb, but it did not work :/
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13:04<retrospectacus>alexis_: that should (could) work... http://paste.debian.net - show us your command and its output
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13:07<alexis_>http://paste.debian.net/7616/ I think it considers "*" as the filename ! :/
13:07<retrospectacus>alexis_: there are no .deb files in that location
13:08<alexis_>I'll check the path but it is actually full of it.
13:08<retrospectacus>alexis_: also libreoffice 4 is available in <backports>
13:08<alexis_>Oh it is ? Did not see it :D
13:08<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell alexis_ about bpo
13:08<retrospectacus>,v libreoffice
13:09<judd>Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:4.0.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.0.3-3; sid: 1:4.0.3-3
13:09<alexis_>Thank you very much :D
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13:09<retrospectacus>sure thing
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13:47<omixam>I can't install libqtwebkit4:i386 in debian wheezy
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13:48<retrospectacus>!tell omixam about bat
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13:50<omixam>I'll try to repair package using synaptic, but I'm getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/e3BL8M72
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13:51<retrospectacus>use aptitude or apt-get, not synaptic. Use http://paste.debian.net/ not pastebin.com
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13:52<retrospectacus>and ask dpkg about localized errors as he mentioned
13:53<omixam>when i'll try by the terminal I'll getting that this package depend of libsqlite3-0:i386
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13:54<retrospectacus>omixam: read !bat again
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13:56<omixam>I'll translate to english the error... http://pastebin.com/T875hMfu
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13:57<retrospectacus>omixam: no... re-read everything and try again
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14:00<omixam>I tried but I got the same error...
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14:01<retrospectacus>omixam: I know... you need to read what the robot told you about what to paste and where to paste it, and how to make it appear in English. We can't help unless you do this!
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14:01<tmewett>can i select a different DM on the netinst installer?
14:01<tmewett>because GNOME is, well..
14:02<retrospectacus>tmewett: yes
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14:02<tmewett>is XFCE on there?
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14:02<retrospectacus>tmewett: you can choose not to install a DE and install your choice later, or:
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14:02<retrospectacus>select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install"
14:02<tmewett>ah ok
14:03<omixam>but I put it in english
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14:03<tmewett>retrospectacus: i don't want to do it myself, i am a bit scared of linux atm
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14:03<tmewett>i just recently decided to go with debian instead of Xubuntu
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14:04<retrospectacus>omixam: you did not provide enough information, you put it on the wrong website, and you translated it yourself. Please follow the instructions properly if you want help.
14:04<tmewett>i think i'm ready to ditch windows now, though :D
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14:05<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell tmewett about ig
14:05<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell tmewett about install xfce
14:05<B_String>does anyone on this channel have familiarity with lessfs? I've been looking around for an apropriate channel, but lessfs doesn't appear to have much of a community anymore.
14:05<retrospectacus>tmewett: great. The robot sent you some helpful info. let us know if you need help!
14:05<omixam>Oh! sorry.... you can say me when I have post
14:05<tmewett>retrospectacus: that is a nice robot
14:05<retrospectacus>tmewett: very
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14:06<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell omixam about bat
14:06<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell omixam about localized errors
14:06<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell omixam about pastebin.com
14:07<tmewett>see you
14:07<retrospectacus>omixam: read (carefully!) the messages the robot sent you
14:07<tmewett>thanks for the quick help, man :P
14:07<retrospectacus>tmewett: have fun!
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14:07<omixam>ok.. let me read dpkg first....
14:07<tmewett>thanks :)
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14:15<omixam>I'm trying to install libqtwebkit4: i386 in Debian Wheezy amd64 but I'm getting the following error: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7153db20/
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14:18<mju>omixam: have you tried apt-get -f install ?
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14:21<omixam>yes... but I'm get other error: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b9301d70/
14:22<retrospectacus>omixam: use the method dpkg told you to get English output, not google translate
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14:23<mju>ah, that's why the spacing is odd and in general the messages are slightly strange...
14:24<omixam>I'll tried but was not function...
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14:26<retrospectacus>omixam: the problem seems to be you are installing libqtwebkit4 from wheezy but you have not upgraded to wheezy yet, your libsqlite3-0 is from squeeze-backports. This is why we ask for additional information like "apt-cache policy"... like the robot told you several times.
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14:27<bonjurkes>so is this a good place to ask about debian with openvpn issues?
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14:28<retrospectacus>bonjurkes: here or #openvpn on irc.freenode.net
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14:29<omixam>Opps! Really... I was ussing the backports yet...
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14:31<omixam>I can update my debian withot reinstall?
14:32<retrospectacus>omixam: we can't really advise until you provide the information in the "bat" factoid
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14:42<nhobart>any chance someone here could help me out with a debian 5 (i know) question? trying to extend a partition using this guide but not having much luck:http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions_p2
14:42<nhobart>i used the tools on the debian5 recovery image
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14:53<koneko>hi all! is any way to install packages from "wheezy/testing/sid" to "squeeze"?
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14:55<retrospectacus>koneko: backports or backport it yourself, or no
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14:55<grove>I'm trying to install skype, I've previously had success (well, as much of a success as installing any non-free piece of crap can be) with following http://wiki.debian.org/skype, but on this box 'apt-get -f install' doesn't install a lot of i386 packages, instead it wants to uninstall skype:i386¸ see http://paste.debian.net/7658/ for the output - what have I forgotten?
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14:55<koneko>how I can backport it manually, when package is not exist, in "backports"-repository?
14:55<retrospectacus>!tell koneko about simple sid backport
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14:56<koneko>thank you, I reading
14:57<retrospectacus>koneko: what package?
14:57<nevyn>grove: --add-foreign-architecture i386
14:58<nevyn>grove: then apt-get update
14:58<koneko>"webp"; (chromium-browser can not see web images in "webp" format (in google-themes))
14:58<grove>nevyn: dpkg?
14:58<nevyn>dpkg.
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14:59<grove>nevyn: "dpkg: error: unknown option --add-foreign-architecture
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15:00<mbentley>it is dpkg --add-architecture i386
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15:00<nevyn>bah my bad. --list-foreign-architectures is how you find if it's correct
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15:00<mbentley>nevyn: i figured that is where you were pulling that from :)
15:01<nevyn>bah
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15:01<nevyn>and it's --print-foreign-architectures I suck.
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15:01<mbentley>heh
15:01<grove>mbentley: The wiki says so, so I think I did that already, but I'm trying again waiting for 'apt-get update')
15:01<nevyn>tbf it's just gone 5am
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15:02<yoli>ola
15:02<yoli>mundo
15:02<retrospectacus>!es
15:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:03<yoli>que
15:03<koneko>it seems that bot is very clewer and nice :)
15:03<grove>nevyn + mbentley : Now it's installing packages, so I guess I had forgotten that command, thanks
15:03<nevyn>koneko: it's also multilingual.
15:04<yoli>ese chat ese chat hoe hoe
15:04<retrospectacus>!es-social yoli
15:04<dpkg>yoli: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
15:04<nevyn>grove: worry more about understanding and less about commands ...
15:04<koneko>bot multilingual? have it ukrainian, or, at least, russian?
15:04<grove>How many languages do dpkg speak?
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15:04<yoli>it seems that bot is wery clewer and nice
15:05<grove>!ru
15:05<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:05<retrospectacus>grove: approximately all of them
15:05<yoli>maricones hoe
15:05<grove>(that should answer if it knows russian)
15:05<blast007>you can also /msg the bot directly instead
15:05<yoli>feo
15:05<retrospectacus>yoli: can you read?
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15:05<yoli>yes
15:05<grove>!ops yoli is spaming in spanish
15:05<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: grove complains about: yoli is spaming in spanish
15:05<yoli>aqui se habla español
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15:06<grove>weasel: Thanks
15:07<bonjurkes>hello all once again. I am trying to add some iptables rule for openvpn after I type the rule and press enter. It doesn't show the rule in the iptables list
15:07<bonjurkes>I tried iptables -save also then it showed the rules while progress but again iptables --list shows empty iptables. What can be the reason?
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15:08<grove>nevyn: I haven't needed multi-arch for anything else yet, so I must admit it still don't fully understand that, but I've used debian since 1997 (slink) (and lived of it since 2004) so I believe I understand dpkg+apt quite well
15:09<grove>bonjurkes: Show us some output
15:09<bonjurkes>umm it's empty but sure
15:10<koneko>how I can see all packages, installed today?
15:10<nevyn>grove: so if it wants to remove skype:i386 that's the best resolution of the dependancies that apt can find. which means that the i386 packages arn't availible.. ergo you don't have multiarch configured. <== my thought process if that helps
15:10<grove>bonjurkes: Are you claiing there no output from 'iptables -L'?
15:10<grove>nevyn: Makes perfect sense
15:10<bonjurkes>grove yes and http://pastebin.com/GLCCW8xv
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15:13<bonjurkes>so I don't really know what can be the issue
15:14<koneko>please, help me, error when building, http://pastebin.com/F1AgDVdm
15:15<cae>bonjurkes: # iptables --list POSTROUTING
15:16<grove>bonjurkes: There's a lot of output. but your error is assuming that 'iptables --list' will show you what's in the nat table, use 'iptables -t nat --list'
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15:16<cae>bonjurkes: or --list nat
15:16<grove>(or possibly what cae said, never tried that myself)
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15:16<nevyn>koneko: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: build-essential libtool libjpeg-dev libpng12-dev
15:16<nevyn>koneko: ^^^ that's the important line.... ^^^
15:16<bonjurkes>thanks grove
15:16<koneko>thx, I trying.....
15:17<nevyn>koneko: you need to install those packages.
15:17<nevyn>koneko: apt-get install build-essential libtool libjpeg-dev libpng12-dev
15:17<cae>bonjurkes: okay, forget it, chain != table. So grove is right, -t nat --list
15:18*cae is confused and likes using iptables-save
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15:19*nevyn continues to find iptables traversal among the more complex things in linux
15:20<koneko>http://pastebin.com/bAcemTrm I get strange errors
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15:20<houms>can anyone explain how/why trying to remove libpulse0 tries to remove all of kde? not sure why there is a reverse depends
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15:21<koneko>(and removing of epiphany(gnome-browser) remove transmission-gtk.....)
15:21<nevyn>koneko: update and try again. (You're running wheezy right?)
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15:21<koneko>I run squeeze
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15:22<cae>houms: does it really get removed or just displayed as 'no longer needed'?
15:22<houms>thanks cae for reply. here is what i get http://pastie.org/7985055
15:22<houms>seems to say removing
15:23<bonjurkes>and how can I check for this rule iptables -I FORWARD -i tun+ -j ACCEPT ?
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15:23<houms>very odd that there is a reverse depends for libpulse0
15:23<houms>for damn near every kde package
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15:24<koneko>houms: O.o I'm very surprised
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15:25<nevyn>houms: kde pkg -> phonon -> libpulse
15:25<cae>houms: the upper block with '... and are no longer required:' is that what I was speaking of, but the lower stuff really would be removed
15:25<koneko>nevyn: i update (by "apt-get update", ) and run again, but nothing changed: the same error
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15:25<nevyn>koneko: your mirror is broken?
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15:26<bonjurkes>found it
15:26<cae>houms: is there a reason for purging libpulse? Simply remofing the daemons+config should kill pulseaudio enough
15:26<nevyn>is there a reason to remove pulse?
15:26<nevyn>anymore.
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15:27<houms>right cae i got the impression too
15:27<koneko>no, ftp.ua.debian.org, it seems to work (!!!! google-translate error! "but it will not to be installed " instead of " but it is not installed")
15:27<houms>cae i understand your suggestion
15:28<houms>by my point is more so to the idea that essentially kde4 in debian requires libpulse for no appearant reason
15:28<houms>even if said user wants to use alsa for example
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15:29<nevyn>houms: the idea of alsa as an alternative to pulse is like saying network-manager is an alternative to net4
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15:30<cae>houms: ack. I think most stuff is linked against pulse for "if someone really wants to use pulse"... so Debian needs to ship libpulse, too (I don't know how a linked-against-pulse application would behave if it can't found libpulse)
15:31<nevyn>houms: it also needs libjack.
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15:31<koneko>nevyn: I update paste : http://pastebin.com/icGf33U9 (previous paste have big translation error)
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15:32<houms>nevyn ok but why would qemu-kvm be dep. on libpulse
15:32<houms>like i said it seems nonsensical
15:32<cae>I'd assume the maintainer would have to split into a package foo and foo-nopulse for each package which would be way too complex
15:33<koneko> houms: maybe, qemu use libpulse for sound?
15:33<nevyn>houms: because it uses audio using the kde/qt phonon framework which can use pulse
15:33<koneko>ah
15:34<houms>nevyn qemu-kvm has nothing to do with kde/qt
15:34<houms>it is hypervisor
15:34<nevyn>qemu-kvm is the frontend client isn't it?
15:34<nevyn>oh wait.
15:34<houms>no
15:34<houms>that is the hypervisor
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15:34<nevyn>yeah you're right..
15:35<houms>virtmanager is what you are thinking of
15:35<nevyn>but it does need to emulate hardware.
15:35<nevyn>including audio hardware maybe?
15:35<nevyn>so some sb16 emulation that uses pulse on the host side?
15:35<houms>I can see that you are trying to justify the reason,
15:36<houms>but come on if i am using kvm on a headless server running headless vms what sense would emulating soundcards make?
15:36<houms>i can see the point about package maint. even being the reason, but why not make it a suggest as opposed to a reverse dep
15:37<nevyn>if the binary is linked to it. it needs it to load even if you don't use that functionality
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15:38<nevyn>so if anyone ever wants to emulate sound it needs to be linked at build time and a dependancy
15:39<nevyn>it also links to libasound2 (alsa) and libbluetooth. ;)
15:39<koneko>how to downgrade libc6, from "wheezy" to "squeeze", on "squeeze" system?
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15:40<koneko>(it seems that I broke dependencies)
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15:42<nevyn>!squeezy
15:42<dpkg>Debian 7.0 <stable> is codenamed <wheezy>. The <oldstable> distribution, Debian 6.0, is codenamed <squeeze>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
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15:43<koneko>sorry
15:43<koneko>how to downgrade libc6, from "debian 7.0", to "debian 6.0.7"?
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15:45<Sknerus>HI
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15:49<Samkov>I've noticed in the last couple months I've been doing a lot of debian installs on different client machines, by the time I'm done configuring all the software on them I have hours invested. Is there any way to clone a system like with clonezilla or something and unload it on another system?
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15:50<|Frederik>I'm trying to use reprepro to create a repository from packages I build with pbuilder. When trying to import a package with reprepro, this happens:https://paste.debian.net/7672/ . Any idea what could be wrong?
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15:50<Samkov>I'm not talking identical machines, so I do know that some things like drivers and whatnot will have to be manually configured
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15:52<ompaul>Samkov: install firmware-linux-nonfree
15:52<ompaul>Samkov: then 99% of boxes will work - if you have funny graphics cards that's a whole other story
15:52<koneko>samkov: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR maybe, it can help you? (make backups on one machine, and unpack it to many machines from livecd)?
15:52<|Frederik>Puppet is another way to set up multiple systems
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15:53<ompaul>puppet works at scale - learning curve but everything gets taken care of
15:53<ompaul>not too steep
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15:53<Sknerus>i've got one question - how to instal GLIBC_2.15? For debian is only 2.13
15:53<babilen>Samkov: It might be overkill, but it could pay off. Take a look at configuring your system with tools such as puppet -- once you've configured it it is very easy to install new boxes
15:53<babilen>Sknerus: you don't
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15:53<ompaul>Sknerus: that will break your system
15:54<nevyn>Samkov: there's the poor mans puppet (dpkg --get-selections and judicious use of etckeeper)
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15:54<kelme>is systemtools required, to use debian properly?
15:54<Sknerus>i want to install Steam on debian. a lot of people has got this on their PC.
15:54<babilen>Sknerus: If you need that version of libc6 for some binary only proprietary package (I guess steam here) then run a supported distribution or consider tracking jessie/testing (the latter is not necessarily a good idea if you are not familiar with Debian)
15:55<babilen>dpkg: tell Sknerus -about steam
15:55<babilen>Sknerus: The steam people might have other ideas (as in #steamlug), but I would strongly advise against installing a newer libc6 version on wheezy.
15:56<koneko>babilen:
15:56<Crash-OD>Version 7 Trying to compile pidgin. Get error no acceptable C compiler found $path. This new install of debian 7
15:56<Sknerus>i don't know how, but steam worked 2 days ago on my pc.
15:57<koneko>babilen: I have installed libc6 from debian 7.0 wheezy , on my 6.0.7 squeeze; and noew I have many problems; how to fix it?
15:57<SynrG>upgrade the rest of the system or else downgrade
15:57<koneko>how to downgrade?
15:58<SynrG>it depends
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15:58<SynrG>did you *only* install wheezy libc6, or lots of other things from wheezy?
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15:58<houms>crash0od did you install gcc?
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15:59<Crash-OD>Says install when checked add remove software
15:59<koneko>I was installed dillo; (it use newer libc6 as dependenciese); I remove dillo, but I can not reinstall libc6; and now many backages can not installed, because required older, "squeeze" version of libc6 (maybe)
16:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 658] by debhelper
16:00<houms>crash-do type: which gcc
16:00<houms>does it return the path of gcc?
16:00<Crash-OD>No
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16:00<houms>are you logged in as reg user?
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16:01<kelme>is it required to use systemtools? im in installation
16:01<Crash-OD>Only one login set
16:01<SynrG>koneko: somehow i doubt if libc6 is the only package that is upgraded to a later version, then.
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16:01<houms>elevate to root Crash-OD and do the which gcc command again
16:01<Crash-OD>I'm already set as super user terminal
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16:02<Crash-OD>Root@debian:
16:02<houms>does not sounds like gcc is installed
16:02<houms>it should be at /usr/bin/gcc i believe
16:03<houms>also did you install build-essential?
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16:03<SynrG>koneko: but if that's really the only thing, you can try:
16:03<SynrG>!downgrade
16:03<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
16:03<Crash-OD>I did a fresh install so whatever a fresh install does.
16:03<houms>if it is fresh install i do not believe gcc nor build-essential is installed
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16:03<houms>I would install both , do apt-get install gcc build-essential
16:04<Crash-OD>This app remove software is not very helpful is there way to use the old software package To install new software
16:04<koneko>SynrG: so, what I need to to, to downgrade/return/fix all packages to 6.0.7?
16:04<houms>what DE are you using?
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16:04<koneko>sorry... I not notice
16:05<SynrG>koneko: did you add wheezy to your apt sources?
16:05<Crash-OD>7 64bit
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16:05<houms>crash-od i mean gnome,kde etc...
16:05<koneko>I was add it, but now remove
16:05<houms>which DE sounds like gnome you are using
16:05<houms>I would check for synaptic, but even easier is the apt-get line i sent you from the terminal
16:05<Crash-OD>I ran
16:05<Crash-OD>Error package GCC has no installation candidate Unable to locate package build – essential
16:05<SynrG>koneko: did you *only* install dillo with it added?
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16:06<koneko>yes
16:06<houms>so do a apt-get update first and then try again
16:06<SynrG>koneko: there are logs in /var/log
16:06<koneko>what log exactly?
16:06<SynrG>koneko: apt or aptitude?
16:06<Crash-OD>Same
16:06<trico>gnome shell on wheezy has this cool feature where you can zoom out of all the desktops and drag windows between them. can kde do this as well?
16:07<SynrG>koneko: if apt, then look at /var/log/apt/term.log
16:07<koneko>apt; (I see "apt" folder)
16:07<houms>crash-od paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastie.org and paste that url here
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16:07<Crash-OD>I'm on my phone for IRC since I can't get IRC client installed
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16:08<SynrG>koneko: if you can find the term.log file that contained your install, you should be able to figure out which of them came from wheezy
16:08<houms>ok, so do the paste anyway and just type the pastie url here manually, it is not that long
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16:10<Crash-OD>Pastie.org/7985243
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16:10<koneko>i read log....
16:10<Crash-OD>A very basic 2 Lines
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16:11<mju>Crash-OD: You are missing the main repository for wheezy.
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16:11<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Crash-OD about sources.list
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16:11<mju>No wonder it does not find any packages.
16:11<Crash-OD>A fresh install and it's missing a line lol
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16:11<mju>Are you sure you did not remove a line?
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16:12<koneko>Preparing to replace libc-bin 2.11.3-4 (using .../libc-bin_2.13-38_i386.deb
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16:12<koneko>Preparing to replace locales 2.11.3-4 (using .../locales_2.13-38_all.deb)
16:12<Crash-OD>No I just installed this about a week ago and have problems When I close my laptop lid it doesn't start back up. So I tried to install pigeon So I can do IRC chat to try and get that fixed and ran into this issue
16:12<SynrG>koneko: if it's more than a couple of lines, please use paste.debian.net
16:13<koneko>ok
16:13<houms>wait crash are you not able to install pidgin from the repo?
16:13<koneko>(it was only 3 lines, about "replace", but I'll paste on pastebin, all)
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16:14<Crash-OD>No report like that old one on here.
16:14<SynrG>koneko: pastebin, ugh. paste.debian.net (or some other non-spammy site) is preferred.
16:15<houms>so crash put that line back in and do apt-get update and then install pidgin from repo
16:16<Crash-OD>404 errors
16:16<SynrG>koneko: so you could try: aptitude install libc-bin=2.11.3-4 locales=2.11.3-4
16:16<houms>can you please re-paste your sources.list again crash
16:16<allan>I'm trying out pinguy and don't know my root password any ideas?
16:17<SynrG>koneko: if there were any others, specify them with their old version#s, too
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16:17<mbentley>allan: you might try 'sudo su -'
16:17<allan>ok thanks
16:17<koneko>ok; sorry, I be right back
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16:17<SynrG>koneko: or apt-get install works the same way.
16:18<SynrG>koneko: did you 'apt-get update' after removing the wheezy line from your sources.list?
16:18<SynrG>koneko: make sure you do that.
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16:18<Crash-OD>Lol fixed 404
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16:18<koneko>yes, many times
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16:19<Crash-OD>Still same errors trying to install FCC ect
16:19<Crash-OD>Gcc
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16:20<houms>crash did you do a apt-get update first
16:20<allan>sudo su doesnt work,root doesnt work ubuntu doesnt work
16:20<houms>after fixing 404
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16:20<houms>allan are you trying to log back in or run a command?
16:20<Crash-OD>Pastie.org/7985281
16:20<SynrG>koneko: so try that. and let me know how it goes.
16:21<Crash-OD>Yes I did update all went good
16:21<allan>just trying to run commands
16:21<houms>crash you did not fix the sources.list
16:21<houms>yu still do not have the main repo
16:22<allan>its a beta
16:22<mju>Crash-OD: In your last line, it should read wheezy instead of wheezy-updates.
16:22<houms>http://pastie.org/7985287 default should look like this, note this includes the src repo
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16:22<houms>try to run the command using sudo command
16:22<mju>allan: What version of debian are you using?
16:23<allan>its the newest
16:23<houms>wait i just realized allan you said you are using pinguy ?
16:23<allan>yes
16:23<SynrG>!pinguy
16:23<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.pinguyos.com/ #pinguyos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
16:23<houms>that is not debian
16:24<koneko>brb
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16:24<allan>im in gnome
16:24<houms>allan gnome is just a desktop environment that many many distros use, including but not limited to debian, pinguy etc...
16:25<houms>we unfortunately do not support non debian issues on this channel
16:25<retrospectacus>allan: go to the pinguy channel, we only use and support debian
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16:25<allan>ok thanks
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16:26<Crash-OD>Downloading now. Thanks. after this fixed maybe work on why when close lid to laptop it does not show display
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16:27<houms>is this on dock or coming back from sleep?
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16:29<Crash-OD>No doc coming back from sleep.
16:29<houms>normally a video driver issue
16:29<houms>what kind of graphics card you working with?
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16:30<Crash-OD>Radon 4650
16:30<Crash-OD>I now I may need non free drivers
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16:32<houms>i would suggets looking at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
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16:33<Crash-OD>Says free Three should work just fine but does not seem to apparently lol
16:35<houms>so when you open lid it is just blank screen?
16:36<houms>unfortunately I cannot be much help since I do not own any AMD cards
16:36<Crash-OD>Yes blank screen
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16:38<Crash-OD>What a good orc chat. Since no repo installed for.me to look
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16:39<houms>you are using gnome?
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16:39<Crash-OD>If it is Default then yes
16:40<houms>anyone out there know what default irc client for gnome is (sorry crash not a gnome user)
16:40<houms>i would suggest xchat though
16:40<houms>take that as someone who has not used gnome in a lonng time
16:40<Crash-OD>I think I used that before on version 6 debian
16:41<Infiltrator>I think that it's empathy; though I'm not sure if you need to install one of the plugins/libraries.
16:41<Infiltrator>But xchat is easy enough to install.
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16:42<houms>either one should suffice crash, plus if you do not like one remove and replace
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16:42<houms>thats the way it goes
16:42<Crash-OD>I was using it on xfce4 since low resources needed
16:42<houms>thanks infiltrator, i was not sure which they were using now
16:42<houms>xchat is simple straight to the point, no cruft
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16:43<houms>not sure how empathy fairs,,, never used it
16:43<Crash-OD>They're away to install the repo so I can search through there
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16:44<houms>crash i assume you mean a gui for apt-get?
16:44<Crash-OD>Yes
16:44<houms>otherwise you can use apt-cache search foo for example
16:45<houms>appearently it is called packagekit in gnome now
16:45<houms>which may have already been installed
16:45<houms>not sure if synaptic is still used,
16:46<houms>I would wait for someone who is using wheezy with gnome DE to confirm
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16:48<Crash-OD>The add and remove software seems to work like the old repo. But I guess it was not working due to my source list. Anna that it's fixed I can use it. Thank you so much
16:48<houms>np. enjoy your system
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16:49<Crash-OD>Now if I can fix sleep issue be much better lol. I now used open office on Windows now. For when I need to boot in to windows.
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16:50<houms>and assuming it is not already filed, feel free to file a bug on xserver-xorg-video-radeon for the non working sleep function
16:51<houms>you could also try the propritary driver for the graphics card and see if that gets sleep working
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16:51<Crash-OD>Yeah I may just use the nonfree drivers If it works great if not well who knows
16:52<houms>well def give it a go , but please please file that bug
16:53<houms>there is a great program called reportbug that anyone can use to file bugs
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17:24<x0auser>Hi everybody ! My usb is mounted on /dev/sda1 and also mounted on /Arch 21305 , how can i restor it ? Thanks
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17:26<retrospectacus>x0auser: you mean /dev/sda1 and mounted at /Arch21305 and it's a USB device. what's your question?
17:29*retrospectacus goes to get a haircut
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17:31<x0auser>when i plug the usb in dolphin the usb is mounted in 2 points Arch 201305 and USB0909A flash disk ! i want the remove one of them
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17:31<x0auser>i want to **
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17:33<richiedunn>hi'
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17:35<Infiltrator>x0auser: Why? Does it matter? (Also, it's either more likely a link or two partitions.)
17:36<x0auser>I installed arch linux on usb with dd command
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17:36<x0auser>and now it is mounted in two mounting points
17:37<x0auser>I want to make it back to its original state
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17:37<Infiltrator>x0auser: paste the results of mount -n
17:38<flat_line>hey all
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17:39<x0auser>x0auser@BHE:~$ mount -n
17:39<x0auser>sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
17:39<x0auser>proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
17:39<x0auser>udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=217613,mode=755)
17:39<x0auser>devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
17:39<x0auser>tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,size=307908k,mode=755)
17:39<x0auser>/dev/disk/by-uuid/63990253-05ab-42fa-8908-b07f1b284154 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered)
17:39<x0auser>tmpfs on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=5120k)
17:39<x0auser>tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=1201520k)
17:39<x0auser>rpc_pipefs on /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw,relatime)
17:39<x0auser>/dev/sdb1 on /media/ARCH_201305 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks)
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17:40<SynrG>noooo
17:40<SynrG>!tell x0auser about paste
17:40<x0auser>ohhh :/
17:40<x0auser>sorry
17:40<x0auser>i'm very sorry
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17:40<SynrG>np. next time :)
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17:41<SynrG>you get to make that mistake exactly once ;)
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17:41<x0auser>http://pastebin.com/fvhi3tRh
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17:44<Apollo>david: I have bo interest to DCC Chat with you
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17:50<Poenikatu>Hi! Is this the new regime? Two files with the same name only distinguised by their last access time? How do I access the latest one? Is Debian using versions in the extended properties of a file?
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17:50<Poenikatu>*distinguished
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17:53<nevyn>Poenikatu: same case?
17:53<Poenikatu>nevyn: Ho yes!
17:53<nevyn>no spaces at the end?
17:53<nevyn>or tabs in the filename?
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17:54<nevyn>(yes this is valid) annoying but valid.
17:54<Poenikatu>I have the following file extensions for the name diarynutfd: .w68, .a68, .c and .o, but the command ls -l diarynutfd* shows only one of the .w68 files. What has happened to ls?[
17:54*nevyn often ends up with files called \$1 in his homedir.
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17:55<Poenikatu>nevyn: Hm, at least I'm not afflicted with that :-)
17:55<nevyn>cause I make them by typing a redirect to a stream wrong.
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17:58<Poenikatu>Yers, I know how you feel, but what I don't understand is whyMy mistake! I've got a whole lot of dairynutfd files as well as diarynutfd! Hm, seems I should wake up. :-)
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17:59<nevyn>ls will traverse to te directory and give you the contents of the directory maybe.
18:00<Poenikatu>No, no, not maybe. Definitely. I seem to have succeeded in mis-spelling the filename more than once without noticing. Goodness me. What on earth am I eating?
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18:01*nevyn hands Poenikatu some chips.
18:02*Poenikatu says What for? Are we playing poker?
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18:04<nevyn>potato chips. (crisps)
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18:07*Poenikatu points out that she is now on a low-carb diet and so d
18:07*Poenikatu points out that she is now on a low-carb diet and so does not eat such things. :-)
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18:10*Poenikatu However, I don't want to sound ungrateful, so she takes your profferings. :-)
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18:12<Poenikatu>Now that I have discovered that I am even more fallible than I thought, I shall leave you all in peace. nevyn: TVM
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18:13<tuvwx>i'm running a program that uses a lot of memory. in addition to a swap partition, i created and enabled a swapfile (100GB). the program no longer gets killed by oomkiller, but now, after running for 3+ days, the machine dies. nothing is syslog, no messages whatsoever, just a frozen machine with no signal on the monitors and no ping replies. what could be going wrong here?
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18:13<tuvwx>it is not bad sectors. just finished a badblocks/e2fsck with no errors
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18:30<nevyn>tuvwx: thrashing?
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18:30<nevyn>tuvwx: it sounds like the app leaks
18:30<tuvwx>nevyn: what about it? there is thrashing, but i'm patient, and it shouldn't cause the machien to die completely
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18:31<tuvwx>nevyn: no. no leaks. it just needs that much memory
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18:32<tuvwx>if it's a matter of using too much memory, the program would get killed by oomkiller. it doesn't
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19:40<tony>hi
19:41<tony>how to install oracle java 7 on debian wheezy
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19:41<agaida>have a look at java-package
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19:47<tony>okay, how can i make a local repo ?
19:48<tony>local apt repo?
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20:01<devil>reprepro, apt-cacher... depends on your needs
20:01<daemonkeeper>.oO( dak )
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20:02<tony>devil: i want to create a local apt repo for oracle java
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20:03*devil needs to run, it's late
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20:33<mekeor>is it possible/difficult/dangerous/hard/bad to install an old version of a package, e.g. dolphin-4.7(.4) on debian-unstable?
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20:42<mekeor>just saying why you don't say anything would be helpful, too. :)
20:42<haylo|cgraf>mekeor: yes/yes/yes/yes and yes
20:42<jeep>hello
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20:43<haylo|cgraf>here is the site with all of the old debian software http://snapshot.debian.org/
20:43<mekeor>haylo|cgraf: hm :(
20:43<mekeor>haylo|cgraf: ah cool, i'll read that :)
20:44<haylo|cgraf>no problem, i havent tried it much. but thats where i would turn first if i needed an older version of something :)
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20:45<haylo|cgraf>mekeor: maybe though, if you could elaborate on your problem, someone here could help you find a solution that does not involve using older software
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20:46<haylo|cgraf>just my thought. being that i never really use anything that isnt from stable, or at least current somewhere. because eventually it seems there could easily be dependency problems. where a library for instance has been replaced by another very simliar one, and some other program in turn, relies on that.
20:47<mekeor>haylo|cgraf: i think i once explained my (little but personally important) issue here. i want/need/would_like_to_have a (graphical) file manager with "Miller columns", similar to OSX's "finder".
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20:47<mekeor>haylo|cgraf: dolphin had this feature until they removed it in kde-4.8
20:47<Anonymous>Hello
20:47<mekeor>hi jeep, hi Anonymous :)
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20:48<Anonymous>Hello @Mekeor
20:48<haylo|cgraf>mekeor: I installed , a file manager recently for the first time in a couple years. I settled on "xfe" I believe for similiar reasons to what you are needing
20:48<Anonymous>How are you
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20:48<jeep>mekeor: have you tried pcmanfm ?
20:48<haylo|cgraf>maybe check it out. i liked the default side by side columns
20:49<Anonymous>Hey @jeep, @Haylo
20:49<mekeor>jeep: nope
20:50<jeep>mekeor: try it out you may like it
20:50<mekeor>jeep: what is it?
20:50<jeep>mekeor: a file manager
20:50<mekeor>does it have miller columns?
20:51<jeep>mekeor: let me google what that is
20:51<Anonymous>I need help fellows: What is the best Anonimity Software or Ubuntu that covers even applications that connect to the internet.
20:52<mekeor>Anonymous: you might want to contact #ubuntu instead ;) – anyway, my answer is "tor", i guess.
20:53<jeep>mekeor: i think it does do that i cant look right now im on my windows
20:54<mekeor>jeep: i'm quite sure it doesn't :P :D
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22:02<darkbluecat>Hello guys
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22:03<mekeor>hi darkbluecat :)
22:03<darkbluecat>yo mekeor, can you help me?
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22:04<mekeor>just ask your question, darkbluecat ;)
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22:05<darkbluecat>Im using Xubuntu 12.10 with xfce
22:06<darkbluecat>and I want square corners, but at the options doesn't appear to change
22:06<darkbluecat>even If I use a "squared corners" theme
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22:06<themill>darkbluecat: sounds like you want #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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22:06<mekeor>darkbluecat: or #xfce@irc.freenode.net
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22:18<buddyclip>Hello. Is this the right place for new users to ask questions, or is there a different channel for that?
22:18<Arrowmaster>sure, just ask
22:18<mekeor>buddyclip: just ask ;)
22:19<buddyclip>Cool, I shall
22:19<buddyclip>I'm having some problems with sshing into my new debian machine
22:19<abrotman>some, or it doesn't work at all?
22:19<buddyclip>I'm looking for some troubleshooting steps to take
22:19<buddyclip>All
22:20<buddyclip>So I made sure port forwarding is set up on the router
22:20<buddyclip>and I installed ssh and openssh-server
22:20-!-Morph4me [~Morph4me@d67-193-212-46.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #debian
22:20<buddyclip>But when I try to Putty into the computer, it doesn't connect or say anything at all
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22:20<buddyclip>It just shows a blank screen
22:20-!-Morph4me [~Morph4me@d67-193-212-46.home3.cgocable.net] has quit []
22:21<buddyclip>So that's where Im at
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22:21<buddyclip>I did try restarting ssh on this machine, but no luck
22:22<LtL>buddyclip: i can ssh to your ip just fine
22:22<buddyclip>Huh, do you think it's because I
22:22<buddyclip>m in the same house?
22:22<LtL>no
22:23<LtL>buddyclip: you should be able to ssh your WAN ip, or subnet IP
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22:23<buddyclip>Is subnet the local ip the machine has?
22:24<LtL>buddyclip: yes
22:24<buddyclip>I'll try that
22:24<LtL>buddyclip: you sure putty is using the correct protocol
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22:25<buddyclip>You are the man/woman!
22:25<buddyclip>I feel like an idiot
22:25<buddyclip>Thanks so much LtL
22:25<LtL>buddyclip: no problem
22:25<buddyclip>goodnight everyone
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22:53<overjoyedpulp>are the mozilla backports of iceweasel likely to affect the stability of my wheezy install? if I don't particularly *need* a newer version of iceweasel, will I be fine with tracking the wheezy repo (for iceweasel purposes) through the end of wheezy's support life?
22:54<abrotman>in general, if everything works okay with the version in wheezy, use that
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23:46<dn>hi all
23:47<dn>i have two debian box running on virtual machine
23:47<dn>i want to make failover cluster using drbd and heartbeat
23:48<dn>i have configure these two node
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23:49<dn>but when i reboot all node
23:50<dn>the webserver service doesnt run
23:50<dn>i mean apache2
23:50<dn>wheh i run #service apache2 status
23:50<dn>i just got this message
23:51<dn>error .: 51: Can't open /etc/apache2/envvars
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23:51<dn>and there's no daemon activity when using ps aux | grep apache2 command
23:52<dn>note: i removed the apache2 service from startup using #update-rc.d -f apache remove
23:52<dn>cause i think heartbeat will handle it
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23:55<dn>here is my /etc/ha.d/ha.cf
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23:57<dn>logfacility local0
23:57<dn>keepalive 2
23:57<dn>deadtime 15
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23:57<dn>warntime 5
23:57<dn>initdead 90
23:57<dn>bcast eth0
23:57<dn>bcast eth0
23:57<dn>node webserver1
23:57<dn>node webserver2
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23:57<dn>and this is for my /etc/ha.d/haresources
23:57<dn>webserver1 IPaddr::192.168.2.254/24/eth0 drbddisk::r0 Filesystem::/dev/drbd0::/srv::ext4 mysql apache2
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