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00:06<txtd>dn, does envvars exist? What are its permissions?
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00:08<dn>no, it does'nt.
00:09<dn>its look like the drbd0 resouce disk not mounted properly on my mount point(/srv)
00:09<dn>it was because i move all apache configuration to the drbd disk
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00:09<dn>based on this tutorial
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00:11<txtd>How sure are you that you ran this command: ln -s /srv/etc/apache2 /etc/apache2
00:11<txtd>Does /etc/apache2 exist, and is it a softlink pointing to /srv/etc/apache2?
00:11<txtd>Never mind. If srv didn't mount, that's where you start.
00:12<dn>i've check it with manual mount my drbd0 to /srv
00:12<dn>then i make the softlink to original location using ln -s /srv/etc/apache2 /etc/apache2
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00:14<dn>then i try to check on my /etc using #ls -l | grep apache2
00:14<dn>here is the result
00:14<dn>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 31 09:07 apache2 -> /srv/etc/apache2
00:15<dn>the problem was my /dev/drbd0 (as drbd resource) not mounted automatically on /srv when the machine boot start
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00:17<dn> txtd : so how i can mount it automatically on /srv using heartbeat service :)
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00:22<Crash-OD>issue i have debian 7 amd 64bit ati 4650 i have the legacy 13.1 all patched yet still when computer goes to sleep still blank screen and when turn comp off because of it of issues i need to pull power plug and battery to get it to start back up
00:23<txtd>Sorry, have forgotten too much about heartbeat to give useful info. This may help:
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00:34<Crash-OD>issue i have OS: Debian 7 64bit GPU: ATI 4650 Standard Drivers and now legacy 13.1 all patched. Laptop dv73169wm goes to sleep, open lid screen is blank and when turn comp off because of it of issues i need to pull power plug and battery to get it to start backup correctly up
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01:42<fcrs>strange, "strings `which ffmpeg`" shows "--enable-libopus" but it's not in "ffmpeg -encoders" and running ffmpeg with "-acodec libopus" exits with "Unknown encoder"
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01:45<fcrs>running jessie, ffmpeg version 1.0.6-dmo2
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01:48<jm_>fcrs: did you read description for the ffmpeg package?
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01:49<fcrs>it's been a while
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01:55<vincent_c>fcrs: deb-multimedia packages (and all 3rd party repos, for that matter) are not officially supported in debian
01:56<vincent_c>you'll have to contact the 3rd party repo maintainer for help
01:58<fcrs>vincent_c: understood
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02:26<bullgard4>I needed to re-install Debian wheezy. 'sudo apt-get install synaptic; [sudo] password for <my username>: ***; <my username> is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' How to get rid of this message?
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02:27<jm_>by adding your user to sudoers file obviously
02:28<themill>bullgard4: are you in the "sudo" group?
02:31<bullgard4>themill: No. I am no member of the sudo group.
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02:33<bullgard4>jm_ :Should I add a line »%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL«?
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02:34<jm_>bullgard4: you could simply add yourself to group sudo because that's already in the default sudoers files
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03:05<willemb>when trying to build mysql from soucre, i get dh_install: libmysqlclient18 missing files (usr/lib/*/*), aborting
03:05<willemb>why would that me?
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03:10<TobiX>willemb: Build error?
03:11<willemb>but i am building mysql 5.5 on squeeze
03:11<willemb>i can't do compat 9, dropped it to 7
03:11<willemb>but i see in the changelog that compat was raised to 9 for multiarch support
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03:12<willemb>maybe multiarch is way different in squeeze than wheezy?
03:12<TobiX>willemb: There was no multi-arch in squeeze
03:12<willemb>thats what I thought
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03:13<TobiX>willemb: So you need to remove multi-arch from the package...
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03:14<bullgard4>jm_, themill: Thank you very much for your help
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03:14<TobiX>willemb: You might want to use debhelper from backports, so you don't need to adapt to a lower compat-level
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03:16<TobiX>willemb: If you are using pbuilder, you might take a look at } catch (MalformedURLException e) {
03:16<TobiX> // TODO Auto-generated catch block
03:16<TobiX> e.printStackTrace();
03:16<TobiX> }
03:16<TobiX>Sorry, Copy-and-paste messup :)
03:17<TobiX>willemb: What I ment to paste was
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03:17<TobiX>willemb: There are instruction how to enable backports in pbuilder to get newer debhelper and stuff
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03:19<themill>Snuck88: please disable that
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03:22<willemb>TobiX: I have debhelper 9.2 available, according to apt-cache
03:22<willemb>should I just upgrade it and try again?\
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04:05<DrZaius>Hi, i have the same setup in 2 computers and they behave in different ways. I have set sid as default distro in boths. Then changed it to testing. No other pinning or priorities set. When I tried to dist-upgrade in one computer it tries to upgrade to higher versions with 500 instead of staying in current version because 990 version is lower version. On the other computer it only upgraded
04:05<DrZaius>packages with > 990 version
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04:05<DrZaius>can anybody help me pin down this behaviour?
04:06<DrZaius>also, i know my explanation is confusing :/
04:06<Infiltrator>DrZaius: Can you pastebin both /etc/apt/preference files?
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04:07<DrZaius>Infiltrator: preferences file and .d is empty
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04:10<jm_>try asking in #debian-next - that's for testing/sid
04:12<jm_>and they'll probably want the outputs as given by /msg dpkg bat
04:12<jm_>as requested even
04:13<DrZaius>well, i dont have those outputs from one computer
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04:14<DrZaius>ill just gather them and ask later then
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04:18<constl>Good morning. Is it possible to increase the size of a partion that has LVM ? I can find other ways e.g. creating a new partition and then extend the LVM but not how to increase the original partition. Any hints?
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04:20<jm_>parted et al can resize partitions
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04:20<DrZaius>constl: the only rules you must remember are, partitions inside lvm are box within a box, you have to resize accordinly ex.
04:21<DrZaius>increase lvm, and then increase partition
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04:21<jm_>hmm apparently parted 2.4 can no longer do that, but there are other tools
04:21<constl>parted responds that cannot recognize the underlying filesystem (LVM) and thus cannot resize it
04:21<DrZaius>2 sepparate things, altho there is an undocumented lvresize -r to resize both partitions and lvm at the same time
04:22<DrZaius>constl: what file system type?
04:23<constl>DrZaius: Linux LVM
04:23<DrZaius>yeah, and inside the lvm, ext3? ext4?
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04:24<jm_>right, you'd need a tool that simply updates part. table and them use lvm tools, assuming it can do that (never used it myself)
04:25<bullgard4>[Wheezy] "You have searched for paths that end with /var/log/boot in suite wheezy, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." -- How can I set up a boot log file?
04:25<constl>DrZaius: ext4, tmpfs, ext4,
04:25<themill>bullgard4: install bootlogd
04:25<jm_>there's vgextend command which sound the one to use
04:26<DrZaius>lvresize -r +L10G /dev/<yourlvm>/partition <-this would extend your partition by 10G
04:26<constl>jm_: shouldn't first increase the size of the first layer i.e. physical partition and then everything on top VG, LV etc. ?
04:26<jm_>constl: that's what I said, haven't I?
04:27<DrZaius>well it really depends on where the free space is
04:27<DrZaius>usually is inside the lvm
04:27<DrZaius>and usually involves shrinking other paritions
04:27<constl>DrZaius: free space is unallocated and doesn't exist in any partition
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04:28<DrZaius>constl: output of pvs please
04:28<DrZaius>and output of lvs
04:28<constl>Should i paste here on on pastebin ?
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04:30<DrZaius>also, as a general advice, be careful as hell with lvm... understand it before moving important paritions around, or else you are going to have a bad time
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04:30<DrZaius>even understanding it, you sometimes forget to do some step u.u
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04:31<DrZaius>no free space there
04:31<DrZaius>where do you want to get the free space from?
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04:33<jm_>constl: I suppose you'll want to include /proc/partitions too
04:33<constl>I have a vm that is 12.9 GB and has two partitions inside (one with linux fs and one with LVM) that take 8 GB.
04:34<constl>so there is some unlocated free size which hasn't be assigned to any partition. So i want to use this unalocated space and assigned it to the LVM partition
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04:38<jm_>constl: that was more for DrZaius to understand your setup
04:39<DrZaius>not sure i know how to read procs/partitions xD
04:39<DrZaius>whats the size of the block?
04:40<constl>DrZaius: new with fdisk -l
04:40<DrZaius>so not sure where the freespace is in there
04:41<DrZaius>sda1 no, sda2 is the lvm and pvs report 0 free space
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04:41<DrZaius>oh, well okay
04:42<constl>Sorry English is not mother tongue, maybe i confused you with my initial plea
04:42<DrZaius>you have a partition, then lvm inside that partition, and then a partition inside that
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04:43<constl>DrZaius: that's right, I want to increase the underlying partition so i can then use the lv tools as jm_ said etc. etc.
04:44<DrZaius>it certanly feels wrong
04:44<DrZaius>but one way to do it is to create a new partition sd3 with the rest of the space
04:44<DrZaius>then pvextend /dev/sda3
04:44<constl>DrZaius: yes I'm aware of this and this what all google search gave back to me.
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04:45<DrZaius>and then lvresize -r <newsize> <yourlvm>
04:45<constl>so in other words it is not possible to extend a partition that has LVM when the latter takes up all space of first ?
04:46<DrZaius>constl: im not sure of that... but i dont think so
04:46<DrZaius>being a virtual machine i would create a new disk and move everything there
04:47<DrZaius>its only 12G we are talking about
04:47<DrZaius>actually 7G
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04:48<constl>so just create a new .vdi of my desired size but will i move the contents of the first vdi to the second ?
04:48<DrZaius>no need to create new .vdi
04:48<DrZaius>just add a new 12G disk and move the stuff there
04:49<constl>jm_: do you have any tool to suggest that would do what parted won't do i.e. resize LVM partion ?
04:49<DrZaius>with the right partitions size
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04:49<DrZaius>constl: system-config-lvm
04:50<constl>DrZaius: installed that tool yesterday, with that tool i can copy everything to the other disk as you propose?
04:50<DrZaius>nop, thats a tool to pickup where gparted stays short
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04:51<DrZaius>to copy to other disk start the vm with a livecd mount both disk and copy stuff over
04:52<DrZaius>creating a new partition, then pvextend and then lvresize -r will work too
04:53<jm_>constl: I don't remember it off top of my head, should be simple with sfdisk -d and hand editing :)
04:53<jm_>but as DrZaius said, be very careful
04:53<DrZaius>actually doing it in a vm is nicer... you can take snapshots and revert if you mess up... ive messed up in real hardware with real data so many times u.u
04:53<constl>everything is on a VM :-)
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05:51<LedZepp>would anyone like to help me: I have a quite loaded desktop installation of debian, and I'm pretty sure that grub uses graphic mode nicely, however after startup, all my tty0~6 are not in fb mode
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05:51<LedZepp>how can I make tty6, for instance, a framebuffer console, so that way i can run graphics applications right from the console
05:52<LedZepp>(and make it so by default)
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05:56<jm_>i'm not using debian kernels, but for me I built the kernelw ith FB support and I pass vga= parameter to it (this needs linux16 command in grub 2)
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06:01<SynrG>LedZepp: for me, this "just works"
06:02<SynrG>LedZepp: intel integrated gfx. i just installed w3m-img ...
06:02<SynrG>LedZepp: then "w3m" and see the logo at the top of the page.
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06:03<SynrG>LedZepp: so my question for you is, what graphics chipset do you have?
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06:05<SynrG>LedZepp: on intel, inteldrmfb appears to provide the frame buffer
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06:06<SynrG>jm_: vga= parameter is superceded by video= when drm is used (which is now the norm)
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06:06<SynrG>er, when kms is used, i meant
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06:06<jm_>SynrG: I am not using that, good old FB driver
06:06<jm_>uhh VESA, not FB :)
06:07<SynrG>/var/log/dmesg:[ 6.869029] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x37
06:07<SynrG>/var/log/dmesg:[ 6.882855] i915 0000:00:02.0: fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device
06:07<SynrG>jm_: got anything similar? what chipset do you have?
06:07<SynrG>jm_: and does w3m-img work for you?
06:08<jm_>SynrG: one is nvidia 660, the other core i5-3450 (this is a specialized kernel, not for every day use, just something I use to start ssh and login to firewall for quick-boot so can't test w3m there - but yeah, otherwise KMS works fine on the intel box for every day use)
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06:10<SynrG>i also have a system downstairs using the free radeon driver:
06:10<SynrG>[ 11.134317] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48
06:10<SynrG>[ 11.145146] fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device
06:11<SynrG>i suppose i could walk down and see if w3m-img works there
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06:11<jm_>yeah I once tested nouveau and that worked too on my older nvidia system
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06:12<SynrG>jm_: but people using a non-free driver ... ?
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06:13<SynrG>yup. w3m-img is fine on the radeon downstairs.
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06:14<jm_>SynrG: hmm not sure if I understand it correctly - yeah I am using non-free nvidia driver (I only use X these days anyway)
06:14<SynrG>i have two nvidia non-free systems nearby, both currently powered down.
06:14<SynrG>i was just wondering if fb and the non-free driver are compatible
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06:15<SynrG>or else ... in what circumstances would fb not "just work" as in LedZepp's case
06:16<jm_>ahh no, in general they advise against that
06:18<SynrG>that's what i figured. so ... in the absence of further info from LedZepp, i would assume he's using a non-free driver and so the solution is "don't do that".
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06:20<SynrG>so yeah, i booted up my nvidia non-free system, installed w3m-img. does not work.
06:20<jm_>yeah that's an X only driver
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06:23<tony>hi all
06:23<SynrG>morning. do you have a debian support question?
06:24<tony>i want to set up oracle java local apt repo on debian wheezy
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06:25<SynrG>first of all, why? in what way does openjdk7 fail for you?
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06:28<tony>it's not failing, but i just like the original product
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06:31<SynrG>you realize this means giving up being supported if-and-when debian java apps fail using that version.
06:32<babilen>tony: You are aware that OpenJDK is the reference implementation of Java 7 aren't you? (cf. )
06:32<SynrG>if i were in your position, where nothing fails, but i "just like" the oracle java, i'd switch to openjdk so i could receive support.
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06:33<SynrG>tony: or else maybe "just like" is based on specific defaults of the oracle java that you feel are better than openjdk7's defaults? if so, i'm sure that can be configured.
06:33<SynrG>tony: so again, what fails for you? (where failure may be as subtle as "the fonts are wrong" or some such)
06:33<amir6723>hello I "scanpci" and "pcitweak" tools but I cant find them anywhere. Can you help me?
06:34<tony>SynrG: can you help me setup a local apt repo for oracle java or not?
06:34<amir6723>hello I need "scanpci" and "pcitweak" tools but I cant find them anywhere. Can you help me?
06:35<SynrG>tony: i can, but i would be helping you shoot your own foot.
06:35<SynrG>tony: try apt-ftparchive
06:36<SynrG>amir6723: i tried 'apt-file search' for each of those. i only see japanese man pages for them in xmanpages-ja ...
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06:37<SynrG>amir6723: i assume this means at one time they may have been in debian but now no longer are. and the xmanpages-ja package has a bug because the translators have not noticed it yet.
06:37<SynrG>amir6723: what are you trying to accomplish?
06:37<amir6723>Synrg: I have the man pages. but not the commands!!!
06:38<SynrG>amir6723: is it something that lspci and setpci from the pciutils package could do?
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06:38<amir6723>actually I need to write a report about these tools.
06:39<jm_>setpci is very similar to setpci if online man pages are right
06:39<SynrG>jm_: that's a truism
06:39<jm_>yeah, pcitweak :)
06:40<amir6723>ok. so I can use setpci for pcitweak, and for scanpci???
06:40<SynrG>amir6723: so you have to write a report about obsolete tools no longer in debian? i think you will need to do your research elsewhere, then.
06:40<TobiX>Apparently scanpci has been part of older X releases, but since they removed their own code in favour of libpciaccess, it was probably just removed...
06:40<SynrG>no idea. install pciutils, then see if it does what you want.
06:41<SynrG>amir6723: i just said ... lspci
06:41<SynrG>in the same package.
06:41<SynrG>i have no idea if that's the same as 'scanpci' but from the name of it, it sounds like it might have some similar purpose.
06:42<amir6723>so setpci and lspci. thank you.
06:42<amir6723>I use these. thanks for help.
06:42<SynrG>np. good luck with your report
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06:56<anto>is there a specific channel for wanna-build related discussions?
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06:58<jm_>what is a wanna-build related discussion about?
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07:03<anto>i ran into some problems running the wbpy scripts to get pkg_history filled with build logs coming from buildd
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07:04<jm_>sorry, can't answer about that but I suggest to ask anyway and if someone knows they'll hopefully point you in the right direction
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07:06<anto>thanks anyway, maybe i could contact wb-team if i can't solve the issue
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07:13<TobiX>anto: Since that's certainly no user question, maybe #debian-devel is the better channel?
07:13<anto>TobiX: thank you i was looking for something like that
07:14<TobiX>anto: has a list of channels
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07:27<bullgard4>After reinstalling Wheezy using the Wheezy installer from the Wheezy DVD the Xfce4 timer applet does not produce any event sound and neither Goggle Music Manager does not play music. I presume that I need to install a sound package yet. How to determine what sound package do I need to install yet?
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07:29<jebb>im having issues seting up my samba server
07:29<jebb>i guessing its permissions but im not sure
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07:32<jm_>bullgard4: do you have any cards listed in "cat /proc/asound/cards"?
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07:44<habstinat>I've noticed that on the build logs, for some reason, one of the packages on mipsel (subversion) is build with --disable-java, while on i386 it's built with java. This doesn't make sense to me, as Java works fine on mipsel. Who can I contact / what can I do to report a bug to get the Java components in subversion enabled?
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07:45<jm_>habstinat: surely you'd want to contact the maintainer
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07:52<habstinat>jm_: Is just emailing him directly considered OK or do I need to do something else?
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07:55<babilen>habstinat: I'd file a wishlist bug against the package in which you ask the maintainer to switch to "--enable-java" -- That way you contact the maintainer *and* we (that is Debian) has a single place for tracking this problem.
07:56<jm_>habstinat: I've sometimes done that, you can always submit it as a bug which makes it formal
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08:03<jemadux>can some one played chess on fics via eboard ?
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08:07<bullgard4>jm_: Yes. -- I could solve my problem now: I installed the libreoffice meta-package and in alsamixer I unmuted the loudspeaker slider-bar and turned higher the PCM slider-bar. -- Thank you for your suggestion.
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08:08<jm_>that would be my next step ;)
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08:14<LedZepp>back, i have radion non-free drivers
08:14<LedZepp>i managed to get at least fb0 to stay in my /dev
08:14<LedZepp>all i do is chmod 666 tty0 and start an fb app from console, and it works
08:15<LedZepp>also, using wine, my non-free ati drivers seem to delay the mouse a few seconds when AOE2 draws menues
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08:15<LedZepp>probably some horrible glPushAttrib for scissor or something :/
08:15<LedZepp>called by a dx compat layer :||||||||||||||
08:18<MichaelP>I get my broadcom wireless going and my realtek wired stops working !!
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08:19<bullgard4>MichaelP: Replace the two ! with the exact error message.
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08:20<MichaelP>bullgard4: getting error message... my wired is not showing up.. and when i disconec wireless wired just not working
08:21<Calinou>LedZepp: wine was written against nvidia
08:21<Calinou>don't get your hopes up for 3D in wine if you have something else than nvidia
08:22<jm_>MichaelP: it's probably just that the default route is set on the other card
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08:23<MichaelP>bullgard4: wired ethernet... unmanaged.. no ip address
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08:24<MichaelP>jm_: every other distro i used i never had this problem.. Able to switch to one or the other with no problem
08:24<MichaelP>How do i fix it
08:25<LedZepp>:((( lol btw hi Calinou, interesting to run into you on another channel :D
08:25<jm_>MichaelP: what do you use to configure the cards?
08:26<MichaelP>the kde plasma icon
08:26<bullgard4>MichaelP: Your problem should reflect in dmesg. Please switch from your working wired connection to wireless connection. Then analyze dmesg | tail.
08:27<MichaelP>bullgard4: my wired is the non-working wireless is working
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08:28<bullgard4>MichaelP: If you meant: "my wired is the non-working, wireless is working" then my advice applies.
08:31<MichaelP>i put dmesg konsole... it gives more then just the ethernet.. every device on the system
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08:34<bullgard4>MichaelP: Yes, it is an art do fetch the error relevant messages from dmesg. Therefore I advised to analyze dmesg| tail immeadiately after your connection change.
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08:38<mike_>bullgard4: says its loaded
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08:39<MichaelP>bullgard4: Says my wired is loaded
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08:43<bullgard4>MichaelP: So I conclude that your hardware is ok and your problem in on a higher software level. I am not familiar with KDE Plasma and cannot help you.
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08:46<songo>lick my clitoris
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08:48<devil>did'nt anyone tell him, only girls have them?
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08:50<MichaelP>bullgard4: it's the kde network plasma thing... i switched to wicd and everything working
08:50<piper>devil: this is the new age :)
08:52<devil>piper: lets not go there ;)
08:52<piper>devil: i agree ;)
08:52<MichaelP>The new age teenagers thing there cell phones are phone... There pocket computers
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09:16<prem__> how can i join a debian wheezy machine to a 389-ds
09:16<prem__> infact, i can login to the machine with ldap user crediantials but the password policies are not getting applicable to the user
09:16<prem__>how can i achieve that in debian
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09:16<prem__>SynrG, any idea on this?
09:17<SynrG>why single me out? i only directed you here because you asked on #debian-offtopic which is the wrong channel
09:18<SynrG>and no, no idea, or i would have said :)
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09:34<MichaelP>Whats better on a fresh install apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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09:39<themill>the two-step upgrade can't really hurt but may be entirely unnecessary. What are you upgrading from and to?
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09:40<themill>dpkg: tell MichaelP about cross-post
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09:40<MichaelP>its just a fresh install of wheezy
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09:41<DarkUranium>hey, question.
09:41<DarkUranium>will Deb be moving to systemd as a result of that poll thing, or is it sticking with SysV?
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09:42<Stummi>which poll?
09:42<themill>DarkUranium: no-one is rushing to make any decisions
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09:43<DarkUranium>Stummi: lost the link
09:43<DarkUranium>themill: okay, good ... I guess Debian isn't out of the question for me just yet then.
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09:44<Stummi>DarkUranium, even if it would change the default init system. The repositories have both, systemd and sysvinit, so you can choose yourself
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09:44<DarkUranium>Stummi: in theory.
09:46<devil>DarkUranium: things in debian do not move that fast. my uneducated guess for systemd is Jessie +1
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09:48<DarkUranium>devil: but what about testing/unstable? I prooly won't be using stable for my desktop.
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09:48<DarkUranium>TBH, I'd be on FreeBSD right now (I am at home) if my laptop didn't have an AMD GPU in it.
09:48<themill>DarkUranium: testing and unstable are only there to produce a stable release
09:48<devil>DarkUranium: systemd is in unstable, testing and wheezy, you can enable it
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09:49<devil>DarkUranium: you can even enable it per boot by just editing grubs bootline
09:49<babilen>DarkUranium: Just install it if you want it - just like you can install postfix if you don't want to use exim4 or KDE if you don't want Gnome or ...
09:49<devil>DarkUranium: by adding: init=/bin/systemd
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09:49<TobiX>DarkUranium: The poll was a poll of the systemd package maintainer, nothing more, nothing less
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09:50<DarkUranium>TobiX: yeah, but I saw some people make conclusions that Debian is moving out of that
09:50<DarkUranium>figured I'd ask to see if they're warranted or if they're just empty speculation
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09:50<DarkUranium>I'm glad to hear they're just speculation.
09:51<devil>DarkUranium: anything on that topic is speculation right now
09:51<devil>DarkUranium: from anyone
09:51<TobiX>DarkUranium: As long as Debian ports not using Linux exist, systemd as default is out of the question (AFAICS)
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11:16<houms>is there a java plugin using openjdk7 for wheezy?
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11:16<houms>it seems the default is still the 6 series
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11:18<babilen>houms: You are looking for icedtea-7-plugin
11:18<babilen>judd: v icedtea-7-plugin
11:18<judd>Package: icedtea-7-plugin on i386 -- jessie: 1.3.2-1; wheezy: 1.3.2-1; sid: 1.4-1
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11:19<houms>so I installed icedtea-7-plugin and removed version 6 but when I try to use it on any java site, including the java test site, the plugin does not seem to work
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11:21<houms>for example instead of getting the version number it just shows a grey screen. it seems the browser detects the plugin but the plugin does not work
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11:23<babilen>houms: It is a known bug that that page is not working with OpenJDK
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11:25<houms>are you saying that icedtea7 plugin basically does not work?
11:25<houms>as I cannot get it to work on any java sire
11:25<houms>including netscaler web interface, dell DRAC interface, basically looks up the browser
11:26<babilen>My understanding was that it is that particular site that doesn't work, but please check the bugtracker
11:26<babilen>judd: #644094
11:26<babilen>judd: bug #644094
11:26<judd>Bug in icedtea-netx-common (closed): «icedtea-plugin: Fails to load any java applet due to AccessControlException»; severity: grave; opened: 2011-10-02; last modified: 2011-11-12.
11:27<babilen>Is *one* bug that popped into my mind, but that has been closed in the meanwhile. You might want to check your console log and the BTS
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11:28<retrospectacus>wfiw that applet works for me with icedtea-6-plugin=1.3.1-3
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11:29<houms>correct retro that is what i was seeing
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11:29<houms>i was going to file bug but it says new version 1.4.1 is in unstable
11:29<houms>not sure if i should try to install from unstable first
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11:30<babilen>houms: Okay, I was thinking of the bug before and icedtea-plugin (that is icedtea-6-plugin) works just fine here on sid.
11:30<houms>this on wheezy box btw
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11:31<babilen>houms: Does it work for you with icedtea-6-plugin (as opposed to icedtea-7-plugin) ?
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11:32<houms>yes it appears to work with iced6 but I am wrong in thinking that version 6 has security holes ?
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11:38<babilen>houms: OpenJDK is still supported by the people at RedHat (as opposed to Oracle's version) -- lets see which version is there in wheezy.
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11:39<babilen>judd: v openjdk-6-jdk
11:39<judd>Package: openjdk-6-jdk on i386 -- squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; wheezy: 6b27-1.12.5-1; jessie: 6b27-1.12.5-2; sid: 6b27-1.12.5-2
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11:41<houms>babilen I m not sure I follow your last comment
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11:41<babilen>houms: OpenJDK 6 is still maintained and receives security support (which is in contrast to JDK6 from Oracle)
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11:42<open_artur>debian 7 gnu/linux is not returning from suspend on my hp envy dv-6 laptop
11:43<houms>ah i see, so basically install default-jdk, remove the openjdk7 crap and STFU
11:43<houms>thanks babilen for assistance and explanation
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11:45<open_artur>can someone please help me get my suspend feature working?
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11:45<houms>open when you resume from suspend is it blank screen?
11:45<open_artur>When I attempt to resume from suspend it goes to a black screen and doesn't come back on
11:46<babilen>houms: Well, you might actually want JDK/JRE 7 -- I have no idea what you do with java and I haven't checked if the version of OpenJDK 6 that is currently in wheezy has any security issues. But you can check yourself what the current release is and what changed in the version between yours (6b27) and the current one.
11:46<houms>almost always cause is video card
11:46<open_artur>I have a Trinity APU
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11:46<houms>well i only really use the plugin
11:46<babilen>open_artur: Which video card do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) and which driver do you use?
11:46<babilen>houms: Well, then use icedtea-6-plugin for now :)
11:46<houms>and that is really for things like our netscaler and the dell remote access cards which either have native (directx) :/ or java
11:47<open_artur>00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device [1002:9903]
11:48<open_artur>I installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package to get gnome shell working and it works except for the suspend feature
11:48<babilen>open_artur: thank you -- which version of Debian do you use? Could you show me the output of "dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree" on ?
11:48<open_artur>debian 7 gnu/linux
11:49<babilen>okay, well .. can't think of anything immediately
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11:49<retrospectacus>Mire: hello
11:50<babilen>open_artur: One thing you could try is checking the behaviour with the fglrx driver in wheezy.
11:50<babilen>dpkg: tell open_artur about fglx dkms
11:50<babilen>dpkg: tell open_artur about fglrx dkms
11:50<Mire>algun chico quiere chat comigo x privado?
11:51<Mire>que hacen?
11:51<babilen>open_artur: That driver might behave better -- I would also recommend to check our bug tracker ( ) for applicable bugs and file one against, say, xserver-xorg-video-radeon if you cannot find a suitable one)
11:51<open_artur>there's the output
11:51<babilen>Mire: Do you require help with Debian?
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11:52<babilen>open_artur: thanks, that output looks fine, so it is not that. I'd try the fglx driver which should give you another datapoint and continue your investigation from there.
11:52<babilen>dpkg: es-social Mire
11:52<dpkg>Mire: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:53<open_artur>I tried the proprietary APU driver from the AMD/ATI support website and the logout feature failed and then the system struggled with rebooting
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11:54<Guest473>a little help with sed please
11:54<SynrG>a little help with what your actual problem is, first
11:54<Guest473>how can i add multiple statements??
11:54<Guest473>sed -i 's/foo/bar/g'
11:55<Guest473>foo is replaced with bar
11:55<Guest473>how can i hane 2 or 3 replacement in the same time?
11:55<SynrG>$ echo foo | sed -e s/foo/bar/ -e s/bar/quux/
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11:55<Guest473>thanks for the reply
11:55<SynrG>note that they are executed in sequence
11:56<Guest473>thats was my next question!!!
11:56*SynrG is mildly telepathic
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11:56<Guest473>twhat the difference with the i switch??
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11:57<SynrG>Guest473: have you read the sed man page?
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11:57<Guest473>but fill lost
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11:59<retrospectacus>read it again... the -i option is something you should know about
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11:59<SynrG>Guest473: $ echo foo > test.txt ; sed -i -e s/foo/bar/ test.txt ; cat test.txt
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11:59<Guest473>echo foo | sed -e s/foo/bar/ -e s/bar/quux/ this statement replace only one time i think..for multiple replacement need the g at the end of each replacement...
11:59<SynrG>Guest473: yes.
12:00<Guest473>so..i have read.. :)
12:00<SynrG>Guest473: and as per the man page, -i.bak will make a .bak version of the original file if you like
12:00<Mire>hablan español?
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12:00<Guest473> and forgive my ignorace
12:01<SynrG>you gotta start somewhere.
12:01<retrospectacus>!es-social Mire
12:01<dpkg>Mire: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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12:20<tgs3>ok stupid questions. how to get "php5-fpm" on my debian squeeze
12:20<babilen>you don't
12:20<tgs3>babilen: why?
12:20<tgs3>I have it on another machine and I need it as well on new server
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12:20<babilen>because it is not available in squeeze
12:21<babilen>judd: v php5-fpm
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12:21<judd>Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.4-14; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u1; jessie: 5.4.4-15; experimental: 5.5.0~rc1+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.0~rc2+dfsg-1
12:21<tgs3>I have it on squeeze machine
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12:21<tgs3>I added squeezy backports but still not luck
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12:21<babilen>tgs3: Not from us -- If you got it from dotdeb then you are on your own and we neither support nor recommend using their packages.
12:21<babilen>tgs3: I would recommend to use wheezy if you require php5-fpm ... In particular on a new server.
12:22<tgs3>babilen: yeah Im exactly asking here not to use dotdeb thing
12:22<tgs3>can I install this 1 pack from wheeze
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12:22<Arrowmaster>upgrade to wheezy
12:22<retrospectacus>tgs3: upgrade to wheezy, squeeze is old
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12:22<babilen>tgs3: Well, I don't know where you got it from, but you can run "apt-cache policy php5-fpm" on the other server to figure that out (the one with that package)
12:23<babilen>tgs3: But seriously, just use wheezy .. It is the current stable release and it *does* come with a php5-fpm package.
12:23<tgs3>how long should it take to upgrade production LAMP to wheezy?
12:23<babilen>dpkg: tell tgs3 -about squeeze->wheezy
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12:24<babilen>tgs3: depends on how much effort you put into it -- I'd schedule around 6 hours of downtime, but that includes creating backups and at least three hours of "I have this time if something goes wrong"
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12:25<babilen>tgs3: The actual upgrade should be pretty straightforward, but it also depends on the services you run, the current state of that system ... The upgrade procedure is detailed in the release notes
12:25<babilen>dpkg: tell tgs -about release notes
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12:25*babilen has to run
12:25<babilen>have fun peeps
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12:26<tgs3>retrospectacus: yeah nice idea
12:27<tgs3>but my customer has shitty directadmin 3rd party licences software there. can't go wheezy
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12:29<retrospectacus>you'll have to eventually. Talk it over with the customer and/or directadmin
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12:42<tgs3>retrospectacus: I know I know.. I think DA will fully support wheezy one day
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12:45<dpkg>rude is probably making me tell people things that they dont want to be told
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12:47<ibmthinkpad>so I just found out that you can have LDAP in a MySQL database, but why would you?
12:47<ibmthinkpad>what would be a valid usecase?
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12:48<XReaper>not-rude: i bet you're rude? :P
12:48<ibmthinkpad>XReaper: I'm serious I just want to understand why
12:48<not-rude>so rude
12:48<dpkg>it has been said that rude is making me tell people things that they dont want to be told
12:48<XReaper>ibmthinkpad: magic!
12:48<XReaper>ibmthinkpad: there is a use case, unified storage
12:49<XReaper>some poor souls think MySQL is the bomb
12:49<retrospectacus>ibmthinkpad: to be able to update LDAP using sql queries?
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12:49<dpkg>rude is probably making me tell people things that they dont want to be told
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12:53<ibmthinkpad>XReaper: but honestly, nothing other than unified storage?
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12:53<XReaper>pretty much
12:53<ibmthinkpad>retrospectacus: so instead of my ruby script I wrote to parse through LDAP, I'd be running SQL queries to do LDAP queries?
12:54<XReaper>Also so they can integrate their lolphp app into ldap that happens to use mysql
12:54<ibmthinkpad>XReaper: don't want to sound dumb, but is MySQL the only supported RDBM for LDAP?
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12:54<XReaper>ibmthinkpad: you can use whatever i think
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12:54<ibmthinkpad>yeah they do have some php app for ldap
12:54<XReaper>postgres etc
12:54<ibmthinkpad>I wrote a ruby script to do it by command line and tell me what I need to know
12:54<ibmthinkpad>easier for me
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12:55<ibmthinkpad>thanks XReaper
12:55<ibmthinkpad>XReaper: you ever heard of Apache Directory Service?
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12:56<lOOza>hey :)
12:56<lOOza>i want to install debian on my laptop, the installer asks me for firmware files on an usb stick..... i copyed the files on my stick + start my laptop.... but the installer doesent read my usb stick....
12:56<lOOza>any ideas ?
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12:56<lOOza>does the installer need ext4 file format on the usb stick or something?
12:57<lOOza>fat will work too?
12:57<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell lOOza about installer firmware
12:58<ibmthinkpad>just burn a net-install cd and call it a day
12:58<ibmthinkpad>does debian still do business card cd?
12:58<ibmthinkpad>if so do that
12:58<ibmthinkpad>even faster
12:58<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell lOOza about firmware images
12:59<lOOza>i copyed the firmware on an usb stick
12:59<lOOza>but nothing happens when i boot the laptop whint the usb stick
12:59<lOOza>i didnt try the net install
13:00<lOOza>i just downloaded the first cd ....
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13:00<retrospectacus>lOOza: boot the installer CD you have, insert the FAT usb with firmware in /firmware into a USB2.0 port. That should work (as the install guide chapter the robot sent you says)
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13:01<lOOza>ok... thx for your hints :)
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13:01<lOOza>i will try it
13:01<retrospectacus>read the links dpkg sent you
13:02<lOOza>yes i did that
13:02<lOOza>thx for that
13:02<lOOza>ill come back when i fail again
13:02<ibmthinkpad>anyone want to help me talk people off of MySQL and onto PostgreSQL?
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13:03<ibmthinkpad>also, any recommendations for a good CMS other than Joomla or Wordpress?
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13:04<lOOza>hm sry... im just very beginner in mysql stuff :/
13:04<ibmthinkpad>I'm more of a postgresql fan
13:04<ibmthinkpad>but they seem to like mysql here
13:04<ibmthinkpad>oh well, time for coffee
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13:15<RayzrShrp>i fricking love wheezt
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13:16<RayzrShrp>can i run gnome and kde without blowing up my system/
13:16<Calinou>apt-get install gnome kde
13:17<lOOza>i love wheezy <3
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13:17<retrospectacus>disk usage percent will "blow up"...
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13:18<lOOza>i use it on my desktop ...
13:19<RayzrShrp>lol retrospectacus
13:19<RayzrShrp>ubuntu is dead to me
13:19<retrospectacus>I use it on my workstation, laptop, netbook, htpc, servers, ...
13:19<RayzrShrp>centos is my second choice
13:20<RayzrShrp>but debian is where i call home
13:20<lOOza>i use ubuntu on my laptop... but i want to replace it with debian atm....
13:20<lOOza>just trying
13:20<lOOza>its a bit more tricky :D
13:21<RayzrShrp>i tried mint but too fussy
13:21<RayzrShrp>what kind of laptop lOOza
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13:22<lOOza>compaq presario cq75
13:22<lOOza>a cehap 1 :P
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13:22<lOOza>*cq57 sry
13:23<RayzrShrp>i have a lenovo t410 but not sure if debian would run on that
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13:47<ibmthinkpad>Gnome is about a 1.5GB install, KDE is about a 2GB install
13:47<ibmthinkpad>if you install the 'full' set
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13:48<RayzrShrp>i just stuck with gnome
13:48<RayzrShrp>right now im studying for my lpic 101
13:48<RayzrShrp>almost all of the study material is review
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13:49<RayzrShrp>ps has got a bazillion options
13:49<ibmthinkpad>RayzrShrp: redhat cert will take you further
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13:49<ibmthinkpad>RayzrShrp: I'm not a redhat fan by any means, but far more of the 'enterprise' companies use redhat and derivatives than use debian or its derivatives
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13:50<ibmthinkpad>RayzrShrp: I'm at a redhat based company and I made sure my work station was debian ;) but they're primarily redhat
13:50<ibmthinkpad>puppet is the only company I know of that's primarily debian
13:50<ibmthinkpad>puppetlabs rather
13:50<RayzrShrp>ibmthinkpad, yeah I agree with you but RH only does classroom training and it's $$$
13:51<ibmthinkpad>I wasn't talking training, I was just talking passing tests
13:51<RayzrShrp>you have to take the classroom before you can take the tests
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13:51<ibmthinkpad>RayzrShrp: not true
13:51<ibmthinkpad>it's recommended
13:51<RayzrShrp>oh really? i was under the impression it was required
13:51<ibmthinkpad>redhat gets more money and you learn their way of doing stuff but you don't HAVE to
13:52<RayzrShrp>do you have your RH cert/
13:52<ibmthinkpad>I've worked with RH for years though
13:52<ibmthinkpad>do you have any experience with RH?
13:52<RayzrShrp>i mostly work with networking but want to branch out
13:52<RayzrShrp>some but not a ton
13:52<RayzrShrp>mostly just the general linux stuff
13:52<RayzrShrp>and a little with the RPM/yum
13:52<ibmthinkpad>if you're a network guy then get cisco/juniper/aruba/arista certs
13:53<RayzrShrp>i have a CCNP
13:53<RayzrShrp>want to learn some new stuff
13:53<ibmthinkpad>if you're a debian guy, learn general linux stuff, then prepare for 'subtle' differences between redhat/debian
13:54<ibmthinkpad>keep in mind it's basically the same OS with a slightly different set of tools inside and slight quirks
13:54<RayzrShrp>yeah that's what I would expect hence just knocking out the lpic 101 and 102 and then maybe going for RH
13:54<ibmthinkpad>it's not like the *BSDs where the kernels are different
13:54<jthomas>Good day. I'm running a Deb6 machine and when I run 'apache2ctl -k graceful' (or restart), Apache reloads fine... for a few seconds, and then dies. I've upped LogLevel to debug but all we get is a lot of "[Fri May 31 12:44:44 2013] [error] child died with signal 11" Where else could I dig or what might be the issue? The server is fully updated except for a recent kernel package.
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13:54<RayzrShrp>yeah FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD are beyond me
13:54<ibmthinkpad>jthomas: what logs have you checked?
13:55<ibmthinkpad>RayzrShrp: nothing between them is binary compatible
13:55<RayzrShrp>ibmthinkpad, yep
13:55<ibmthinkpad>RayzrShrp: but linux if you have the libraries or it's staticly linked you're mostly ok
13:55<RayzrShrp>ibmthinkpad, although a lot of places use BSD a lot
13:56<ibmthinkpad>RayzrShrp: but things to be aware of are things like....init, runlevels, hierarchy, package management, rc script names
13:56<RayzrShrp>ibmthinkpad, my path is get my lpic and then maybe go for vmware cert or rh now that you are saying i dont need the classroom
13:56<jthomas>ibmthinkpad /var/log/apache/error.log
13:56<ibmthinkpad>RH cert is I think ~700
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13:56<RayzrShrp>ibmthinkpad, yep RH uses the old system V or whatever and not the init.d right
13:56<ibmthinkpad>for the lowest
13:56<ibmthinkpad>I could be wrong
13:56<ibmthinkpad>RayzrShrp: new redhat is going to use systemd
13:56<ibmthinkpad>starting in 7
13:57<RayzrShrp>ibmthinkpad, yeah i got a lot to learn, cisco is cake for me since i work with it everyday
13:57<ibmthinkpad>there's still uproar about that
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13:57<RayzrShrp>so you are a sysadmin then?
13:57<ibmthinkpad>of course
13:58<RayzrShrp>pay pretty good?
13:58<RayzrShrp>6 figures?
13:58<ibmthinkpad>when I started it wasn't
13:58<ibmthinkpad>6 figures plus 2 bonuses plus benefits
13:58<RayzrShrp>what kind of company do you support
13:58<ibmthinkpad>work from home regularly
13:59<RayzrShrp>so are you a wizard with shell scripts and stuff?
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13:59<ibmthinkpad>I'm not going to say I'm awesome or anything
13:59<ibmthinkpad>I script when I need to or it helps
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14:09<speaktrap>k guys
14:10<speaktrap>quick debate
14:10<speaktrap>systemd vs upstart
14:10<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
14:11<speaktrap>k sorry
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14:12<greenit>hi, i installed kde to test it, but i don't rly like it, so i switched back to gnome... can you plz tell me how i can safely remove all kde-packages?
14:12<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell greenit about remove kde
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14:13<ibmthinkpad>greenit: try apt-get purge *kde*
14:13<ibmthinkpad>that might start it
14:13<ibmthinkpad>might also break something
14:13<Mire>hola hablan español? quien?
14:13<retrospectacus>or use the exact command the robot gave you
14:14<retrospectacus>!es-socail Mire
14:14<retrospectacus>!es-social Mire
14:14<dpkg>Mire: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
14:14<Mire>hablo en español
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14:14<retrospectacus>Mire: for the 3rd time... can't you read?
14:14<babilen>dpkg: es Mire
14:14<dpkg>Mire: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:15<zjace>How can I enable my touchscreen laptop in Gnome 3.4.2?
14:15<Mire>jeje hola hablo españoll
14:15<ibmthinkpad>retrospectacus: that won't fully remove KDE
14:15<ibmthinkpad>just the core
14:16<ibmthinkpad>that would leave it's leaf packages floating around
14:16<Mire>jajaja no te entiendo
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14:16<greenit>well, i made the command dpkg gave me, but konqueror and some others are still there... how to remove everything kde-like?
14:16<Mire>and you creizy
14:17<ibmthinkpad>retrospectacus: told you
14:17<retrospectacus>well, remove them.
14:17<ibmthinkpad>greenit: try the command I gave you
14:17<Mire>and sex
14:18<retrospectacus>Mire: read what is told to you or you will be kicked
14:18<Mire>sex sex sex
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14:19<greenit>wow, ibmthinkpad, when i write "sudo apt-get purge kde*" (it didn't find anything with *kde*) it wants to delete kde-things, but i also wants to remove nearly everything gnome-related...
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14:20<greenit>oh well, i think the whole gnome-environment.... i found gnome, gcc and gnome-core in the list^^
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14:21<retrospectacus>greenit: you could read dpkg.log and remove those things it installed when you installed kde, I guess. I don't think any *kde* match is going to help
14:22<greenit>retrospectacus, well.... i installed kde about 3 months ago, but only now i realized i didn't purge it...
14:22<greenit>could be a bit late for the log ;)
14:23<retrospectacus>I have dpkg.log archived for over 1 year here
14:23<Arrowmaster>open aptitude, search for task-kde-desktop, and uninstall everything listed there
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14:25<mbentley>looks like the default logrotate does a monthly rotation and keeps 12 logs
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14:25<bullgard4>I set up Debian wheezy anew using a "7.0 Wheezy multi-arch install DVD." Now the man pages are no longer colorful. What file do I need to configure for colorful man pages?
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14:27<SamB>bullgard4: colorful manpages?
14:27<mbentley>bullgard4: you were probably using 'most' as your pager
14:28<mbentley>do an apt-get install most
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14:28<mbentley>then an update-alternatives --config pager
14:28<mbentley>select 'most' from the list
14:28<SamB>huh, you'd think it would be called "least"
14:28<greenit>Arrowmaster, how do only list the kde-packages in aptitude?
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14:29<ibmthinkpad>greenit: do you like scripting?
14:30<blast007>greenit: what about aptitude search '?section(kde)'
14:30<ibmthinkpad>greenit: you could write something to apt-cache search kde, grep for kde related things, then for each thing that comes up, apt-get purge it as well as any packages with rc status instead of ii
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14:31<greenit>blast007, ok, and how to delete these packages after i've found them? is there an automatically way or do i have to purge them by hand?
14:32<blast007>you could probably pass the same search string to 'aptitude purge', but you'd still want to review what it's going to remove closely
14:32<Arrowmaster>its generally best to either do it by hand or at least in the aptitude interface so you can review it before removing anything
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14:33<greenit>ok, i assume "c" and "id" are still in my system and "p" is purged, right?
14:33<strangelemon>bullgard4: or just do this:
14:34<blast007>Arrowmaster: well, 'aptitude purge' still shows you what it's going to purge and uninstall before it does anything
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14:34<greenit>blast007, can you give me the command to pass "aptitude search .." as input for "aptitude purge"?.
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14:35<blast007>greenit: I meant you could do aptitude purge '?section(kde)'
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14:35<blast007>but again, make sure to read what it's going to do
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14:37<greenit>blast007, yea, i made a aptitude search with section kde, i saw what it shows and i'll read what aptitude purge will do when i enter the command, thx :9
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14:38<greenit>ok, seems as everything is kde-relevant.. except systemsettings where i don't know if the kde-settings are named systemsettings or not :S
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14:40<greenit>blast007, thx, seems like it worked :)
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14:58<bullgard4>mbentley: This worked all right. -- Thank you. -- When re-installing Debian wheezy I kept my /home directory. Are the update-alternatives settings not stored in ~ ?
14:59<mbentley>bullgard4: no, they are system wide
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14:59<bullgard4>mbentley: Ah, I see. --- Thank you again.
14:59<mbentley>it is just a tool that basically manages symlinks for common apps
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15:00<bullgard4>but system wide.
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15:01<Nemoder_>stored in /etc/alternatives/
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15:04<RayzrShrp>mbentley, what exactly is alternatives
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15:04<RayzrShrp>just read up a little
15:04<RayzrShrp>i know vi and vim use alternatives
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15:05<bullgard4>strangelemon: I did not know that the command more has a bigger feature set than the command most. Still, I will stick to most. But I will keep in mind what you advised in case of doubt in my further practice. -- Thank you.
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15:06<strangelemon>bullgard4: no problem. if you want to change to less you just have to add a function to your .bashrc/.zsrhc for colour
15:06<bullgard4>Right. -- Thank you.
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15:11<CrypticByte>Anyone know how to get DVD playback on a PowerPC?
15:11<retrospectacus>!dvd playback
15:11<dpkg>To play DVDs, you need media playing software, ask me about <dvd> for suggestions. You will likely require the libdvdcss2 package to be installed, ask me about <libdvdcss>. You will also need to set a region on your DVD player; if you have never done so before, use regionset. See also <dvd playback troubleshooting>.
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15:12<CrypticByte>Duh :P I already know I need libdvdcss2 but its not available for the PowerPC architecture
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15:13<SamB>CrypticByte: try building it yourself, maybe?
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15:15<towo`>there is written, it exist for ppc
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15:31<adhawkins>Can anyone help with a kernel panic after install?
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15:42<adhawkins>All a bit quiet here. Is there a better place to ask?
15:43<adhawkins>To provide a bit more detail, it's a Jetway JNF9E motherboard with an i5-3330 processor.
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15:43<nmeum>adhawkins: have you tried turning it off and on again?
15:43<adhawkins>nmeum: Very helpful, thanks
15:43<adhawkins>I've tried installing 32-bit and 64 bit OS, with 486 and 686 kernels on the 32 bit, and full 64 bit. All panic in a similar way.
15:44<adhawkins>I've installed the XCP distro just to try it, and that was fine (based on a 2.6.x kernel though)
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15:47<blast007>adhawkins: what ISO did you install from?
15:48<adhawkins>Wheezy netinstall. 32 and 64
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15:50<Willi-Smith>Hi everybody, I have very strange problem with my hard disk. Is there anybody who want to help me with error log from dmesg?
15:51<blast007>adhawkins: well, hang around for a bit. Someone might be able to point you in the right direction.
15:51<adhawkins>Ok cool, thanks
15:52<macrobat_>Willi-Smith: just ask
15:52<nmeum>dpkg: tell Willi-Smith about ask
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15:53<Willi-Smith>ok, can I past here 80 lines of dmesg?
15:53<nmeum>use a pastebin
15:53<nmeum>for instance
15:54<adhawkins>Will the debian kernels support netconsole at early boot?
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15:55<Willi-Smith>ok here is dmesg
15:56<retrospectacus>Willi-Smith: not good... try swapping sata cables or motherboard port
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16:00<Willi-Smith>error looks same >
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16:12<retrospectacus>hi, digitsm
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16:23<jeep>pp473: test failed
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16:27<adhawkins>Anyone help with the kernel panic I posted about above? Happens immediately after install.
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16:52<devil>adhawkins: do you have an external harddisk attached (and did you during install?)
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16:53<adhawkins>Grub has installed to the correct disk though.
16:53<adhawkins>I'm just reinstalling, going to try 'nomodeset' to see if that helps
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16:54<adhawkins>This time I'll tell it to install grub to /dev/sda too (which is my 'real' disk)
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16:56<RayzrShrp>anybody know if there is a regex to match a character at the start of a line and the end?
16:56<RayzrShrp>or can you only do start or end
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16:57<RayzrShrp>like egrep ^[FA] test will find all lines starting with F or A but can I also make it find on what the line ends with as well/
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16:58<adhawkins>^[FA].*[BC]$ I think
16:58<adhawkins>Start of line, followed by either F or A, any number of characters, up to either B or C, followed by EOL
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16:59<adhawkins>devil: nomodeset didn't help :(
16:59<adhawkins>What was the reason for you asking about the external disk?
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17:03<RayzrShrp>weird that like locks up grep
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17:05<RayzrShrp>egrep ^[FA].*[a]$ does it
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17:06<RayzrShrp>but only seems to find one line, is there a way to make it run it until it finds everything
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17:07<retrospectacus>egrep 'yourpattern' file
17:08<retrospectacus>will search the whole file and output matching lines
17:08<RayzrShrp>i got it figured out thanks
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17:10<retrospectacus>(you should definitely put your pattern in single quotes)
17:10<adhawkins>Does the debian kernel support netconsole early on in the boot? Or is all the network stuff loaded from modules?
17:11<adhawkins>Trying to work out how to get all of the panic text.
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17:11<stderr>RayzrShrp: [FA] means either a "F" or an "a". If there's only one valid option, like in [a], you don't need the []. '^[FA].*a$' should work too.
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17:13<RayzrShrp>this does what i need egrep ^[THW].*[sa]$ test
17:14<RayzrShrp>finds any line starting with T or H or W and ends with s or a
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17:15<stderr>RayzrShrp: As retrospectacus already said, you should use ' around the reg. exp.
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17:17<RayzrShrp>stderr, ok but what does that do?
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17:17<WUKONS>Hi. since no repond at phpmyadmin irc i'm coming here with same question: Is there a clean way how to backup all SQL databases from phpmyadmin to location at same server (Debian 6)
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17:19<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: it'll prevent bash from messing with your pattern, e.g expanding *, ~, #, or doing wordsplitting
17:20<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: makes no difference in that example but it's a good habit, avoids confusion later
17:20<RayzrShrp>thanks for the tip retrospectacus, makes sense
17:20<RayzrShrp>regex are maddening to learn
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17:21<RayzrShrp>is there a way to tell it to match a word only vs the entire line? is that the \b switch
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17:22<stderr>RayzrShrp: Try...
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17:24<cgraf>WUKONS: personally i would make a tar or squashfs backup of all directories except the obvious /dev /sys /proc and so on. Some thing like "mksquashfs / /home/filesystem.squashfs -e /mnt /dev /sys /proc /home"
17:24<cgraf>until you get it narrowed down, where all of the data is exactly located.
17:24<retrospectacus>cgraf: he just wants to backup mysql databases
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17:26<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: perhaps you want the -o option
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17:27<WUKONS>hmm, yes, but some of db's are big, then maybe better tar them?
17:27<retrospectacus>tar does not compress
17:27<WUKONS>oh damn
17:27<retrospectacus>the script I linked, however, does.
17:28<WUKONS>hope it will not mess anything up :D
17:28<retrospectacus>well, read and understand it before running it of course...
17:29<retrospectacus>you will have to edit it too
17:29<WUKONS>i stuck at squashfs :D
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17:29<cgraf>its easy. you will love it after a little while
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17:30<retrospectacus>forget squashfs... it is not helpful now
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17:30<cgraf>yeah do what retrospectacus , said. i did not see the link. that is just a backup method i like to use
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17:31<retrospectacus>note that backing up the mysql database directory filesystem is *not* a useful mysql backup, you *will* lose data
17:31<retrospectacus>use mysqldump
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17:32<WUKONS>oooukay will try out google for mysqldump
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17:33<retrospectacus>WUKONS: did you read the link i gave you 9 minutes ago???
17:33<retrospectacus>and read manpages, not google
17:34<WUKONS>retrospectacus: yeah i looked at it, got that i need to rename/fill sum stuff but how to run.. jsut in php?
17:35<WUKONS>i guess not
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17:35<retrospectacus>WUKONS: no, it's a shell script to edit, put in a file on the server and run as root from the shell. or a cronjob
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17:47<RayzrShrp>how do you run the script
17:47<RayzrShrp>is that a python fi.e
17:48<RayzrShrp>so python
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17:50<Ox29a>tape archiver
17:50<mekeor>i think, just doing "./" should work (assuming the permissions are correct).
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17:50<mekeor>RayzrShrp: ↑
17:51<RayzrShrp>yeah i get permission denied so I guess I need to give it x
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17:51<RayzrShrp>chmod +x
17:52<stderr>Ox29a: Yes?
17:52<WUKONS>im at /home/lala/ i run ./ but nothing happens
17:53<mekeor>WUKONS: do you have permission to execute it? are you sure nothing happens?
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17:54<retrospectacus>WUKONS: if it's the script I gave you before, check that "ls ~mysql" outputs your databases
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17:57<WUKONS>hmm.. weird.. can't i do this: mysqldump -u lala --password=lala namela | gzip > db/namela.sql_lalala.gz ? :D
17:58<retrospectacus>WUKONS: ... can't you?
17:58<dondelelcaro>WUKONS: it's a bad idea to specify passwords on the command line, but yes, you can do that
17:58<WUKONS>mm spelling .. Can I?
17:59<retrospectacus>WUKONS: that would only dump one database though
17:59<retrospectacus>WUKONS: the script I gave you loops through them all and runs that for each
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18:01<WUKONS>it's same but jsut for all at once.. after i run it databases still be alive and working right?
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18:04<RayzrShrp>so if i have the file where would the best place to keep that other then in my home directory
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18:04<retrospectacus>there for system-wide access or $HOME/bin for your user only
18:05<RayzrShrp>so would root own it in /usr/local/bin
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18:06<stderr>Maybe... Maybe nobody would own it.
18:06<retrospectacus>uh, if you like...
18:06<RayzrShrp>doesnt somebody have to own it
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18:06<stderr>What does the script do? Does it need root access?
18:06<stderr>"nobody" is a user.
18:07<RayzrShrp>its just a little python script to start/stop the dropboxd and check the status of it and stuff
18:07<WUKONS>hmm, sorry im too dumb. thanks for help
18:07<RayzrShrp>i wouldnt think it would need root access, just to be able to interact with my dropbox deamon right
18:08<stderr>WUKONS: What part of the script doesn't work?
18:08<WUKONS>dunno doing one by one :D
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18:09<stderr>RayzrShrp: Does it work when you're the owner of the script and run it as yourself?
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18:09<RayzrShrp>no gives me permission denied unless i do python
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18:10<RayzrShrp>stderr, if i do chmod +x on it then I can run it with just ./
18:10<stderr>Then I would suggest you do that...
18:11<retrospectacus>or just from anywhere if it's in your path (/usr/local/bin/ or $HOME/bin/)
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18:12<retrospectacus>WUKONS: did you check the ls command I told you earlier?
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18:12<RayzrShrp>would you say it's a bad idea to add my home directory to my path?
18:13<RayzrShrp>it's not there by default so assuming it's for a reason
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18:13<stderr>Your home dir: Yes.
18:13<retrospectacus>pretty bad, yeah.
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18:13<RayzrShrp>ok thats what i figured
18:13<stderr>~/bin on the other hand...
18:13<RayzrShrp>so ill just create a bin dir and add that to my path
18:13<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: you don't have to add it
18:13<RayzrShrp>can i just append ~/bin to my PATH$
18:14<RayzrShrp>oh really
18:14<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: you don't have to add it to PATH - it will be in PATH automatically if it exists
18:14<stderr>retrospectacus: Yes and no...
18:14<retrospectacus>(you will have to start bash again)
18:14<RayzrShrp>there is a trick for that but can
18:14<RayzrShrp>t remember it
18:14<stderr>~/.bash_profile should add it.
18:15<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: just mkdir bin and put your binaries in there
18:15<stderr>Unfortunately .bash_profile isn't always sourced when you expect it to be.
18:15<RayzrShrp>how can i restart bash without reloading my machine
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18:16<RayzrShrp>can i close my terminal window and just reopen it
18:16<stderr>[00:14:20] <retrospectacus> (you will have to start bash again)
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18:17<stderr>RayzrShrp: bash can start programs. One of the programs it can start is called "bash"...
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18:17<retrospectacus>you can run "bash" or ". ~/.bash_profile" or open a new term, yes
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18:17<RayzrShrp>hmmm ok so did that and is not found so im assuming it not in my path
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18:17<retrospectacus>echo $PATH
18:19<stderr>You did "that"... What is "that" exactly?
18:19<RayzrShrp>mkdir bin moved the into it and then typed bash
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18:19<RayzrShrp>when typing dropbox or it says its not found and tab completion doesn't find it either
18:20<retrospectacus>so you made /home/ray/bin ?
18:20<stderr><stderr> Unfortunately .bash_profile isn't always sourced when you expect it to be.
18:20<qaz>Hi all
18:20<retrospectacus>whatever your username is
18:20<qaz>I'm under sid and I have a problem installing libapache2-mod-scgi
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18:20<qaz>I need it for use tt-rss
18:20<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell qaz about enter
18:21<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell qaz about debian-next
18:21<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell qaz about bat
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18:21<stderr>RayzrShrp: Try "bash -l" instead of just "bash".
18:21<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: open a fresh terminal and see if /home/RayzrShrp/bin is in $PATH
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18:22<qaz>ok tnx
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18:40<eso>hi all
18:41<mekeor>hi :)
18:42<eso>its my first time chat in here :)
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18:45<RayzrShrp>retrospectacus, yeah that did it
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19:04<qaz>Hi eso
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19:16<R1kz>guys, cinnamon have official support on debian 7?
19:17<retrospectacus>R1kz: no. it's in testing/sid
19:17<R1kz>Ok, thanks!
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19:23<hellenkeller>i cant get sound to work for users, only root. any tips? user already added to audio group. debian 7
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19:43<mekeor>hellenkeller: did you turn volume on (using alsamixer)?
19:44<retrospectacus>hellenkeller: did you re-login the user?
19:44<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell hellenkeller about alsa checklist
19:44<mekeor>what is the best way to install dolphin version<4.8 on debian
19:44<mekeor>*debian unstable?
19:45<devil>mekeor: why <4.8?
19:45<devil>why not 4.10.x?
19:45<mekeor>devil: they removed miller columns in dolphin 4.8 :(
19:46<mekeor>devil: i want it so badly! :(
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19:46<retrospectacus>4.4 is in squeeze. maybe you can "forward-port" it (/msg dpkg ssb and adapt)
19:46<devil>you cant stay on an older version forever
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19:46<hellenkeller>mekeor: yes i turned volume up on the alsamixer gui
19:47<mekeor>devil: i can!
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19:47<retrospectacus>mekeor: then why are you on sid
19:47<mekeor>because i want current versions of all other packages?
19:48<mekeor>i just want dolphin<4.8 :/
19:48<devil>eventualy you want an old kde
19:48<retrospectacus>fork it
19:48<mekeor>i could also try to package pantheon-files for debian...
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19:50<hellenkeller>retrospectacus: yes a logged out and logged back in. also restarted a couple of times
19:50<retrospectacus>hellenkeller: check the list the robot sent you
19:51<mekeor>should i try to build and install pantheon-files first before i try to make a debian-package out of it?
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19:53<hellenkeller>retrospectacus: i just did. i think i see the issue. how to I select the card my user account is using? i ran alsamixergui as user and as root and they are showing different cards. user is showing pulse audio and root is showing actual card (HDA Nvidia)
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19:54<retrospectacus>alsamixer show it, F3 iirc
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20:00<hellenkeller>retrospectacus: that only lets me adjust the audio for that card. i need to set my useraccount to use that card by default
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20:03<retrospectacus>hellenkeller: hmm not sure. I just have one card.
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20:04<hellenkeller>retrospectacus: me too, another one just shows up as pulseadio. appreciate it though
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20:46<RayzrShrp>what does the available/busy menu in the upper right hand corner of wheezy under my username suppose to do?
20:47<RayzrShrp>it seemingly does nothing
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21:31<bsy> 有人吗?
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21:59<RayzrShrp>what does rc mean infront of a package when i do dpkg -l
22:00<abrotman>RayzrShrp: if you look at the top of the 'dpkg' output, it has the status mentioned
22:00<abrotman>RayzrShrp: in this case, 'rc' means Removed/ConfigFiles
22:01<RayzrShrp>so there are still config files even though i did a purge
22:01<abrotman>then you did'nt do a purge
22:01<RayzrShrp>i did
22:01<abrotman>if you say so
22:01<RayzrShrp>is there a way to remove the configs
22:02<abrotman>yes, purge the package
22:02<RayzrShrp>apt-get remove --purge smuxi-server is what i did
22:02<RayzrShrp>i already did
22:02<abrotman>RayzrShrp: dpkg -P smuxi-server
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22:02<abrotman>does that change it?
22:03<RayzrShrp>figured it out
22:03<RayzrShrp>it was smuxi-gnome-client
22:03<RayzrShrp>er smuxi-frontend-gnome
22:03<RayzrShrp>smuxi is confusing
22:03<abrotman>right .. different package
22:03<RayzrShrp>ok got it
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22:14<RayzrShrp>what does the busy flag do in wheezy
22:15<RayzrShrp>in the drop down menu under your login name in upper right corner
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22:21<jeep>RayzrShrp: what happens when you set it ?
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22:22<jeep>hello faxo_
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22:22<faxo_>hey jeep /
22:22<faxo_>how you doing buddy ?
22:23<jeep>good lurking waiting on something interesting to arrive
22:24<faxo_>not going out for the week end ?
22:25<jeep>technically i am out .. i work out of hotels 7days a week
22:25<cgraf>RayzrShrp: i am guessing that is part os a gnome desktop environment messaging client. empathy, pidgeon something like this. Not sure i dont really use anything like that
22:26<faxo_>good jeep are you from usa ?
22:26<jeep>yeah i am
22:26<faxo_>working seven days must be tiring
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22:27<jeep>neah not really i have been siting in hotel due to rain .. hence why i am lurking here
22:27<jeep>RayzrShrp: have you tried other desktops like xfce .. lxde ect. ?
22:28<faxo_>do you know why people use sudo ? i never understoof why
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22:29<jeep>faxo_: sudo is nice on system with multiple users .. or on a workstation controlled by an admin... on a personal desktop / laptop with only one user not much benifit
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22:30<faxo_>i see
22:31<cgraf>yeah, sudo allows you to let non priveliged user do certain tasks, and not others. whereas there is no way to control privs, once you give them root
22:34<cgraf>in practice though. im not sure that many users are given sudo privs these days. But if they were all really using *nix as their networking and work platform, then it might be very useful. like to let one of them make and use chroot for example
22:35<faxo_>yes like a way to give them temporary admin privileges which they loose when they are out of sudo?
22:36<faxo_>it s better than using the root account itself ?
22:36<jeep>or allwoing permission to one person over the ftp server another person samba .. another mysql ect. infinite possibiltys
22:36<jeep>faxo_: yes exactly because with sudo they can only do what they are allowed
22:37<cgraf>well , to give them admin priveliges over certain tasks only. the sudo configuration files are quite in depth, allowing for all sort of customized access to root privs
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22:38<faxo_>yes of course costumization means complex command lines ...
22:38<faxo_>hello arivasui
22:38<arivasui>hello faxo, hello everybody
22:39<faxo_>yep jeep samba permissions :)
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22:45<faxo_>i m going to try samba
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22:48<faxo_>where i m they have 200 mbit optic fiber connections
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23:30<bullgard4>The Debian 7 installer requests that I enter my full name. In what variable will the Debian 7 installer store this data? What application programs will use this data?
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23:32<ghostbar>bullgard4: put whatever you want. It will not punish you if it's false.
23:32<ghostbar>bullgard4: windows managers will use it
23:32<ghostbar>and all applications can access it.
23:36<bullgard4>ghostbar: Your message sounds like a sop. I'd like to know it more it precisely so that I will be able to decide myself if it punishes me if it is false. -- What is the variable's name?
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23:41<ghostbar>bullgard4: it's in /etc/passwd and is 5th field in every UNIX system, not just Debian.
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23:48<RayzrShrp>are there more fonts that can be installed into gnome or do you get what you get
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23:55<bullgard4>ghostbar: I found it: 'man 5 passwd': " The comment field is used by various system utilities, such as finger(1)." -- Thank you very much for your help.
23:57<jeep>RayzrShrp: you can install any font pretty much
23:57<ghostbar>RayzrShrp: if per-user there's ~/.fonts/
23:58<ghostbar>bullgard4: np ;-)
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23:58<RayzrShrp>is there a good place to get fonts?
23:59<ghostbar>RayzrShrp: ?
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