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---Logopened Sat Jun 01 00:00:08 2013
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00:00<bullgard4>RayzrShrp: I can recommend the Ubuntu font family.
00:00<RayzrShrp>so ubuntu fonts under debian lol
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00:00<ghostbar>My recommendation is Aller and Aller Light
00:00<bullgard4>RayzrShrp: Yes indeed.
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00:02<RayzrShrp>how do i get the ubuntu fonts
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00:06<bullgard4>RayzrShrp: Please google for "Ubuntu font family" with Domain=Ubuntu.
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00:22<bullgard4>RayzrShrp: The Goggle search program > Advanced Search allows you to narrow down your search to a certain domain of search in the WWW. Please enter in the field »Website or Domain:« 'Ubuntu'.
00:26<RayzrShrp>amazingly that doesnt find it
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00:26<SamB>wouldn't you just type "" or something ?
00:27<RayzrShrp> i think is it
00:27<RayzrShrp>has a download for a zip file
00:28<RayzrShrp>full of a bunch of ttf
00:28<RayzrShrp>where do i put them
00:28<RayzrShrp>in ~/font
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00:29<ghostbar>RayzrShrp: ~/.fonts
00:29<ghostbar>RayzrShrp: only the .ttf files
00:29<RayzrShrp>will xchat find them there
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00:34<ghostbar>RayzrShrp: yes, fontconfig does the work ;-)
00:34<ghostbar>RayzrShrp: you will have to reload your application so it recognizes the new fonts
00:34<RayzrShrp>do i have to tell fontconfig to do anything
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00:38<ghostbar>RayzrShrp: you should not. FontConfig's work is to check /usr/share/fonts and ~/.fonts
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01:35<Chakka>I have a CD rip to ISO file question...
01:35<Chakka>I just did a rip of a CD using brasero - the CD has a boot partition and one audio track - the resultant
01:36<Chakka>file set was a .TOC and a .BIN.... what I really want is an .ISO file of the boot partition
01:37<Chakka>any recommendations how best to get that ?
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01:48<ghostbar>Chakka: Google: How to create iso image brasero. Good results from result #1 ;-)
01:55<Chakka>Thanks - I only see CUE and CDRDAO options there .... ah, ok, I was missing: brasero-cdrkit
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02:51<ter>im trying to set up a samba server but i cant figure out the permissions i need to give to the samba share folder
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02:59<ter>can i make a public group and folder?
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03:39<bullgard4>'~$ LANG=C apt-cache show rhythmbox | most': "Tag: hardware::storage, hardware::storage:cd, interface::x11, role::program,..." What does the separator »::« mean?
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03:44<babilen>bullgard4: It's a separator - It separates lexemes.
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03:46<babilen>bullgard4: The answer to your question is essentially the same as asking what the separator " " means in natural language. It doesn't mean anything but marks the boundary between tokens.
03:50<babilen>bullgard4: Does that answer your question? And *please* try to come up with a solution yourself, these things are not that hard and I really have no idea what else I could do to answer your question. Okay, I could link you to, say, an article on token separation and the need to find an unambiguous separator, but still ...
03:50<bullgard4>babilen: My question showed that I knew that »::« is a separator. Perhaps I should have asked: "Why is here used the »::« separator and not another one, for example ».«?
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03:54<babilen>bullgard4: Arbitrary decision by the developer I guess. Might have been motivated by the way in which, say, C++ uses :: for example ... Please also note that two different separators are used (:: and :), but .. well ... I don't really see the relevance. Think of them as separators and be done with it.
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03:55<bullgard4>babilen: Thank you.
03:55<babilen>bullgard4: I mean, why is anything? Why do we use "a" to express the sound of the vowel that sounds like "a" and not "b" or even あ ? --- but ... this is offtopic, feel free to initiate a discussion in #debian-offtopic, but I have no idea what else to say.
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03:58<weasel>babilen: I'm sure many a thesis have been written about that topic
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04:32<Thib>Hi everyone, here is my question : I developed a router running on Debian, that I'm selling to my customers. Each router got specific configurations (ip address, pppoe settings, and so on), except this, they are all the same. I'm searching for a configuration management tool that I could use to update all of my routers at the same time
04:33<Thib>I've taken a look at Puppet, Chef, cfengine and Ansible, but I'm not sure if these tools can really be used for what I want
04:33<Thib>Do you guys have any piece of advice on this ?
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04:45<Supaplex>Thib: try debian-isp mailing list
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05:01<Thib>Supaplex: Thanks
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06:06<porto>hia please help me with nvidia install
06:06<porto>anyone can help?
06:07<ectospasm>state what your problem is, porto
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06:07<porto>appears in shell to do sudo dpkg --configure -a
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06:08<porto>then appears to restoration of the originial nvidia-xconfig
06:08<porto>(N)o default
06:09<porto>i press enter and the cursor stay blinking
06:09<porto>and dont go to the next step
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06:10<porto>how can i purge all and try reeinstall the nvidia driver
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06:11<ectospasm>porto: which guide did you follow to install the nvidia driver?
06:12<porto>version 304.88
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06:13<porto>i try to nvidia-installer-cleanup
06:13<porto>and appears the same question
06:14<porto>of restore x config
06:14<porto>and hangs in that step
06:14<ectospasm>usually the Xorg server configuration file isn't necessary... try moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a different location.
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06:21<babilen>dpkg: tell porto -about nvidia dkms
06:21<babilen>porto: Our bot just sent you instructions on how to install *and* configure the nvidia driver on Debian in a supported manner.
06:22<babilen>porto: See for further details
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06:22<stderr>babilen: Read up 10 minutes... :-)
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06:24<babilen>stderr: hmm?
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06:25<stderr>babilen: porto already mentioned that URL.
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06:28<babilen>porto: Sorry, you mentioned nvidia-xconfig and I assumed that you are following some outdated tutorial/wiki page ... Ad ectospasm already pointed out to you: You don't need a xorg.conf these days but only a small configuration file. Sorry for the confusion.
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06:29<stderr>I'm starting to wonder if porto is still here.
06:30<maxence>Hi !
06:30<maxence>I just installed fglrx for my Jessie but i've got a weird problem with my mouse...
06:30<Supaplex>!poke porto
06:30*dpkg pokes porto with a severed Red Hat user's finger
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06:31<maxence>2 strange black strip that follow my mouse everywhere i go with...
06:31<maxence>Is someone had a solution please ?
06:31<maxence>I think it's because of mouse acceleration but i'm not sure :o
06:33<ectospasm>sounds like your mouse icon is defective... which one are you using?
06:33<ectospasm>maxence: ^
06:33<maxence>Oxygen bluecurve (red hat)
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06:35<ectospasm>can you try a different one?
06:36<maxence>same problem
06:37<maxence>It's curious... The problem disapear on a screenshot...
06:37<maxence>It's just for my eyes o/
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06:40<maxence>it's so weird
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06:44<phako>hi. can I find build logs of successful package builds somewhre?
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06:55<jalalsfs>When 'xfce4.10' will be available for jessie?
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06:56<babilen>dpkg: tell jalalsfs -about transitions
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06:59<jalalsfs>babilen, Oh, thank you so much.
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06:59<jalalsfs>It seems will take a long time.
06:59<phako>daemonkeeper: ah, of course.
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07:01<ardex>do i have to create a .xmodmap file in my home dir?
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07:02<ardex>or, is this a fluxbox config issue?
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07:04<porto>sorry but i try the babilen info
07:04<porto>and they stop in nvidia-installer --uninstall
07:04<x>hello, I have a small problem: how do I install the module nvidia for kernel 3.9.4 in debian stable wheezy? could you help me? please..
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07:06<abrotman>x: why aren't you running the Debian kernel?
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07:07<x>because I would like to have the last kernel 3.9.4
07:07<musca>the latest*
07:08<x>I wish to have kernel 3.9.4 with module nvidia running in debian wheezy
07:08<abrotman>which may or may not be compatible with the nvidia driver .. good plan
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07:09<x>I think this is the problem
07:09<porto>horrible install :S
07:09<porto>never add that before
07:09<devil>use the debian packages
07:10<porto>in d6 i never add that before
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07:10<devil>you never had a heart attack either before you had one
07:10<ardex>the first one
07:11<musca>porto: i like that cute echo command that does the whole config
07:11<musca>cli > gui
07:11<porto>i did that one
07:11<porto>i made all steps in wiki
07:12<porto>it's nvidia m740
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07:12*Calinou applauses for rebrand
07:12<porto>then i purge all nvidia*
07:12<porto>and download the run nvidia original file
07:12<porto>and ./NVidi*
07:13<x>For my: I think the best option is use unstable version with kernel 3.8 + nvidia modules
07:13<porto>and :S nothing
07:13<musca>i'm out then
07:13<porto>how can i reeinstall nouveau again?
07:14<Calinou>why would you want to do that \o/
07:14<x>thanks guys
07:14<porto>because nvidia :S driver dont solve the problem
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07:15<Pitxyoki>What drivers did you use before?
07:15<Pitxyoki>Weird ones.
07:15<Pitxyoki>First of all, uninstall the Nvidia package crap.
07:16<devil>Pitxyoki: nvidia driver probably works if you use the debian packages
07:16<Pitxyoki>Just run the installer with --help and try to locate some --uninstall flag or so.
07:16<Pitxyoki>The ./Nvidi*
07:16<devil>Pitxyoki: sorry
07:16<abrotman>or do whatever you want
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07:16<devil>why does everyone recommend the nvidia .run?
07:16<Pitxyoki>Noone recommends that.
07:17<devil>thus is #debian, not #nvidia
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07:17<stderr>devil: I didn't!
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07:17<devil>stderr: yep, not you :)
07:17<stderr>So not everyone.
07:17<Pitxyoki>porto: are you reading me?
07:17<porto>yap :(
07:17<Pitxyoki>After uninstalling the Nvidia official package, install nvidia-installer-cleanup:
07:17<porto>then i solve it with reiininstall nouveau again?
07:17<Pitxyoki>apt-get install nvidia-installer-cleanup
07:18<Pitxyoki>No. You'll install the correct drivers with the correct Debian package.
07:18<porto>that is the point
07:18<porto>when i run that nvidia-installler-cleanup
07:19<porto>appears a question "nvidia-installer --uninstall" ?
07:19<porto>yes or no
07:19<porto>(N)o default
07:19<porto>i press enter
07:19<porto>and hangs
07:19<Pitxyoki>Are you doing that on X or on a TTY?
07:19<Pitxyoki>Logout of gnome or whatever...
07:19<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
07:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 600] by debhelper
07:20<porto>in X
07:20<Pitxyoki>Press Ctrl+Alt+F1, login as root, then run /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
07:20<Pitxyoki>(are you using Gnome?)
07:20<porto>i stop gdm3
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07:21<Pitxyoki>Are you using that X session to type here?
07:21<krofna>How can I run two X servers and if one freezes jump to other?
07:21<Pitxyoki>Ok, nice.
07:21<porto>in other laptop
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07:21<Pitxyoki>Did you stop gdm3 already?
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07:22<Pitxyoki>Ok. Now do modprobe -r nvidia
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07:22<Pitxyoki>This will unload the driver currently loaded into the Kernel.
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07:22<porto>did that
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07:22<Pitxyoki>If it fails, we'll have to reboot the machine into "failsafe mode" or whatever it's called on Grub.
07:23<Pitxyoki>Did it work or did it print any warnings or errors?
07:23<porto>when i enter sudo modprobe -r nvidia jump to next line
07:23<porto>no nothing
07:24<Pitxyoki>sudo lsmod | grep nvidia
07:24<Pitxyoki>Does anything show up?
07:24<porto>no nothing
07:25<Pitxyoki>Now, do the uninstall steps I told you before:
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07:25<Pitxyoki>First, run the or .bin with --uninstall
07:26<porto>done :)
07:26<Pitxyoki>Then apt-get purge nvidia-installer-cleanup && apt-get install nvidia-installer-cleanup
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07:27<porto>sudo apt-get purge nvidia-installer-cleanup && sudo apt-get install nvidia-installer-cleanup
07:28<porto>appears to do sudo dpkg --configure -a
07:28<porto>again sudo apt-get purge nvidia-installer-cleanup && sudo apt-get install nvidia-installer-cleanup
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07:28<Pitxyoki>Did everything go smoothly=
07:29<Pitxyoki>Now you're clean.
07:29<porto> nvidia-installer-cleanup (20120630+3) ...
07:29<Pitxyoki>Now... You say you have a 720m...
07:29<olspookishmagus>famous last words
07:29<porto>i can restart?
07:29<Pitxyoki>Do you need to?
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07:29<porto>gona start gdm3
07:29<Pitxyoki>Hold on.
07:30<Pitxyoki>You only cleaned up your system from the garbage you installed with the Nvidia installer.
07:30<porto>i reboot that :S
07:30<Pitxyoki>No, don't.
07:30<Pitxyoki>You don't need to.
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07:30<Pitxyoki>This is not Windows. :-)
07:30<Pitxyoki>dpkg -l | grep nvidia
07:30<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep nvidia
07:30<Pitxyoki>What do you have there?
07:30<Pitxyoki>(Ignore that dpkg guy)
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07:30<porto>sorry but i have run reboot
07:31<porto>and appears user login
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07:31<Pitxyoki>On GDM?
07:31<Pitxyoki>Ok, go back to the TTY, /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
07:32<porto>dpkg -l | grep nvidia
07:32<dpkg>ii | grep nvidia 3.5-3.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
07:32<porto>ii nvidia-installer-cleanup 20120630+3 amd64 Cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer
07:32<Pitxyoki>Ok, that's excellent.
07:32<Pitxyoki>Now do lspci -nn | grep -i nvidia
07:32<porto>dpkg -l | grep nvidia ii nvidia-installer-cleanup 20120630+3 amd64 Cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer
07:32<dpkg>ii | grep nvidia ii nvidia-installer-cleanup 20120630+3 amd64 Cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer 2.2-5.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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07:33<Pitxyoki>porto: ignore the dpkg nick there.
07:33<Pitxyoki>---> Now do lspci -nn | grep -i nvidia
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07:33<porto>lspci -nn |grep -i nvidia
07:33<porto>01:00.0 3D controller [0302]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:0fdf] (rev a1
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07:34<Pitxyoki>Why did you say you have a "740m"?
07:34<porto>sticker in my laptop :D
07:34<porto>i have an sticker in my laptop with that :D
07:34<Pitxyoki>Ok, well..
07:34<Pitxyoki>apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms
07:35*abrotman would 'update-pciids' first
07:35<Pitxyoki>Do what abrotman said before.
07:36<porto>but i done the nvidia-kernel-dkms install :S
07:36<Pitxyoki>And then repeat the lspci.
07:36<Pitxyoki>No problem.
07:36<porto>can i do update-pciids?
07:36<Pitxyoki>Did the dkms install go smoothly?
07:36<porto>is in building step
07:37<porto>ssudo update-pciids
07:37<porto>Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2013-05-30 03:15:02
07:37<Pitxyoki><Pitxyoki> ---> Now do lspci -nn | grep -i nvidia
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07:38<porto> lspci -nn |grep -i nvidia
07:38<porto>01:00.0 3D controller [0302]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 740M] [10de:0fdf] (rev a1)
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07:39<porto>thats all? :P
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07:39<Pitxyoki>Oh, hold on.
07:39<Pitxyoki>You need to create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:40<porto>but in that wiki appears xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
07:40<Pitxyoki>It's needed to tell X to use the proprietary Nvidia driver.
07:41<Pitxyoki>I know /etc/X11/xorg.conf works, but I trust the wiki author should be right too.
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07:41<porto>sudo echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
07:42<porto>thats ok?
07:42<Pitxyoki>Running copy/pasted commands from the Internets always gives me the shivers...
07:42<Pitxyoki>And no.
07:42<lupine>TIL sudo >
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07:43<Pitxyoki>sudo stuff > sudo otherstuff
07:43<Pitxyoki>You don't need the second sudo.
07:43<porto>permission denied
07:43<porto>-bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
07:43<abrotman>or just do it as root ...
07:44<porto>i tail 20-nvidia.conf and appears the info
07:44<Pitxyoki>Ok, nice.
07:44<Pitxyoki>Reboot it and cross your fingers.
07:44<Pitxyoki>If it works, you can pay me a francesinha.
07:44<porto>love francesinhas :D
07:44<towo`>it will never work, if the system is optimus
07:44<Pitxyoki>With a fino, of course.
07:45<porto>hey you are portugues?
07:45<porto>SACANA :D
07:45<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
07:45<porto>Pitxyoki when i reboot appears blink cursor
07:46<towo`>[13:44] <towo`> it will never work, if the system is optimus
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07:46<Pitxyoki>towo`: how do you tell if the system is optimus?
07:46<towo`>lspci | grep -i vga
07:47<porto>lspci grep -i vga
07:47<porto>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
07:47<towo`>so it is optimus
07:47<Pitxyoki>Can't you tell the BIOS to prefer the Nvidia card?
07:48<towo`>i do noz have such hardware
07:48<towo`>and on real optimus, the nvidia chips has no display-out
07:49<porto>don't understand :S
07:50<porto>doens't work :S
07:50<ompaul>porto: stop hitting the enter key please
07:51<ompaul>is there a second card in the machine with the intel?
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07:52<porto>i gona check that wiki
07:52<porto>and start all over
07:53<ompaul>that's an intel card - what are you trying to achieve?
07:53<Pitxyoki>Just don't install the "official" Nvidia package.
07:53<Pitxyoki>If you stay with official Debian packages, you'll be safe at all times.
07:53<porto>sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
07:54<ompaul>eh ...
07:54<porto>sudo apt-get install bumblebee primus ??
07:54*ompaul gets confused and walks away
07:54<Pitxyoki>Aren't you on stable?
07:54<porto>i have done the steps Pitxyoki
07:54<ompaul>Intel Graphics black screen on boot
07:55<ompaul>that is a kernel issue
07:55<porto>and i think i can run sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
07:55<ompaul>(99% of the time)
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07:55<porto>what you think?
07:55<ompaul>porto: what version of debian are you installing?
07:55<towo`>ompaul, he has a optimus notebook
07:56<towo`>after installing nvidia-driver, black screen on x start
07:56<porto>debian 7
07:56<ompaul>why the paste of intel card
07:56<towo`>that's normal on optimus
07:56<towo`>ompaul, optimus has an intel card
07:56<Pitxyoki>porto: You'll have to be on testing to have those packages.
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07:57<porto>ok i'm confused :D what i need to run?
07:57<porto>sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
07:57<porto> ?
07:57<porto>that not found
07:57<Pitxyoki>Of course.
07:57<Pitxyoki>Those packages are not available on Debian 7.
07:58<Pitxyoki>You have to upgrade to Debian testing (which will be Debian 8 one day) to have them.
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07:58<Pitxyoki>On the other hand, I don't know if I'd recommend you to go to testing, if you're not all that comfortable with Debian.
07:58<porto>bah :S i thin i gona do a fresh instal again
07:59<Pitxyoki>There's no need for that.
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07:59<porto>i can install nouveau again»
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07:59<Pitxyoki>You only need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list and change "wheezy" or "stable" to "jessie" or "testing".
07:59<Pitxyoki>You don't need to.
08:00<Pitxyoki>If you want to try bumblebee-nvidia, keep what you installed before.
08:00<porto>sudo apt-get install -t wheezy-backports nvidia-glx linux-headers-$(uname -r) nvidia-kernel-dkms
08:01<Pitxyoki>That won't solve anything.
08:01<porto>what i need to do ?
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08:01<Pitxyoki>You have two options:
08:02<porto>cofigure the source tree?
08:02<porto>from compilling step?
08:02<Pitxyoki>1. purge all of the nvidia packages, install xserver-xorg-video-intel libdrm-intel1 and use only the Intel card
08:03<Pitxyoki>2. Upgrade to testing and try the bumblebee packages by installing bumblebee-nvidia and primus.
08:03<Pitxyoki>Which pill do you want?
08:04<stderr>3. Run your system without X.
08:04<porto>i think i gona do the 1 option
08:04<Pitxyoki>Forget about compiling stuff. This is not 1999.
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08:04<porto>ok gona purge nvidia*
08:04<Pitxyoki>Ok. Do dpkg -l | grep nvidia, then apt-get purge <all-of-the-packages-you-see-there>
08:05<porto>ok done
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08:05<Pitxyoki>Then move the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file to somewhere else, like ~/This-Might-Come-In-Handy-Later/.
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08:06<Pitxyoki>Then apt-get install install xserver-xorg-video-intel libdrm-intel1
08:06<Pitxyoki>Then reboot and don't worry, be happy.
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08:07<Pitxyoki>Do you have X now?
08:07<stderr>Ox29a: Is that a question?
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08:07<porto>done :D
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08:09<Pitxyoki>You also have a third option, that's to throw that computer at the head of the guy who sold it to you and ask him to replace it with a non-defective machine.
08:09<porto>i have my gnome 3 appears
08:09<porto>gona lunch :D
08:10<porto>Pitxyoki wona francesinha?
08:10<porto>i gona lunch one :D
08:10<Pitxyoki>You can send it by mail.
08:10<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
08:11<porto>the chrome slow down th boot :S
08:11<porto>the keep running in background process
08:11<porto>shit chrome process
08:11<Pitxyoki>IIRC, chrome is not on the official Debian repositories.
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08:12<porto>ok gona leave brb
08:12<porto>thanks for your help
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08:12<porto>have a nice lunch !
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08:19<devil>Pitxyoki: chromium is, chrome is not
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08:32<snuggles>what's best channel to get help with an 8169 NIC not enumerating in an old machine? It's a Squeeze box but this is OT as hardware problem
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08:37<abrotman>snuggles: did you look in dmesg ?
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08:38<snuggles>The BIOS isn't enumerating it. Old 440BX machine, circa 1999. Tried it in a modern nVidia MCP61 board and it works.
08:39<snuggles>It's seems like the card doesn't power up. Plug cable and no link LED either.
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08:41<Calinou>nvidia doesn't make chipsets since ~2007
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08:42<snuggles>abrotman: The Realtek site says the 8169SC(L) is PCI 2.3, no mention of 2.1/2.2. Mine doesn't have the (L) on the chip. Not sure if that matters. TP-Link branded China card. TP-Link site says it does PCI 2.1/2.2
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08:42<snuggles>Calinou: modern feature wise, compared to the mummified 440BX ;)
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08:43<abrotman>snuggles: i asked if you looked in dmesg
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08:46<slacy>help plz, how can i install cisco packet tracer in linux OS
08:46<snuggles>abrotman: I answered, at a lower level. The BIOS doesn't find it during bus enumeration. lscpi doesn't list it. Nothing in dmesg. The kernel doesn't load the driver.
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08:47<snuggles>abrotman: like I said, it's as if it's not getting power.
08:48<snuggles>abrotman: does ACPI have to be enabled in the BIOS for some of these newer PCI card to work? I think I've got it disabled, since this is a server.
08:49<slacy> help plz, how can i install cisco packet tracer in linux OS
08:49<snuggles>though even with ACPI disabled the darn thing should still show up during BIOS enumeration, I'd think.
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08:51<abrotman>snuggles: so why are you asking #debian?
08:51<abrotman>slacy: in which OS?
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08:52<abrotman>snuggles: you might want to try to reset your BIOS settings
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08:53<slacy><abrotman>: linux pinguy
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08:53<abrotman>slacy: you sohuld ask #pinguyos on .. good luck
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08:54<snuggles>abrotman: my initial post was asking -what channel- I should join for such a hardware issue. I'm not an IRC regular. I am a Debian user.
08:55<abrotman>snuggles: you could possibly try ##hardware on .. i'd really start by checking to see if there's a BIOS update for your mobo
08:55<snuggles>abrotman: you jumped in to help so...
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09:00<snuggles>abrotman: Heh,the board is an Abit BP6, circa 1999, a collectable antique. Only dual Celero board ever made. The last BIOS update was...well over 10 years ago. And I have it.
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09:01<abrotman>okay, then off to ##hardware you go
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09:01<rmueller8>hello, any hint, for getting pommed on a macbook mid2012 doing its work? i installed - but there is only a failure "Starting Apple laptops hotkeys events handler: invoke-rc.d: initscript pommed, action "start" failed" in the message log. the keys are not functional - nor does the lightleds adapt to twilight.
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09:02<snuggles>abrotman: besides, IDSEL on pins AD[7:2] hasn't changed since the first PCI rev in 1994. So if the BIOS isn't enumerating, somethin's way off.
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09:04<rmueller8>howto look this message after? "Starting Apple laptops hotkeys events handler: invoke-rc.d: initscript pommed, action "start" failed"
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09:05<Pitxyoki>rmueller8: do you have the /etc/init.d/pommed file?
09:06<Pitxyoki>What happens if you call it directly?
09:06<Pitxyoki>/etc/init.d/pommed start
09:06<Pitxyoki>(As root)
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09:07<rmueller8>Starting Apple laptops hotkeys events handler:
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09:07<rmueller8>and then bash
09:08<Pitxyoki>ps -e | grep pommed
09:08<Pitxyoki>Is it running?
09:08<rmueller8>appearently no
09:09<Pitxyoki>I don't know.
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09:09<Pitxyoki>Maybe this is related?
09:10<rmueller8>and if - howto get over?
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09:11<rmueller8>here there IS content in /sys/class/backlight
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09:13<rmueller8>i will send an errorlog, that i got confronted to with this error-log.
09:14<Jane>how do I install nvidia module in my debian Wheezy with kernel 3.9.4?
09:14<abrotman>Jane: install the Debian kernel
09:15<Jane>I know it, I want the kernel 3.9.4
09:15<strangelemon>is there a simple way to stop an init.d script from starting on boot, but still keep it and control it using start|stop?
09:16<Jane>could I use nouveau?
09:16<towo`>strangelemon, update-rc.d script remove
09:16<abrotman>Jane: try it, let us know
09:17<Jane>I have the kernel 3.9.4 and works the system
09:17<Jane>but not startx
09:17<strangelemon>towo`: thanks, I remember doing that at some point but couldn't remember what it was.
09:17<Jane>I compiled kernel 3.9.4 and I did a package kernel3.9.4.deb
09:18<Jane>and dpkg -i kernel3.9.4.deb
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09:18<Jane>and running :)
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09:18<towo`>Jane, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log sayes what?
09:19<strangelemon>towo`: and do I bring it back with enable?
09:19<Jane>the error is " failed to load nvidia module"
09:19<towo`>strangelemon, update-rc.d script defaults
09:19<strangelemon>aha thanks
09:19<towo`>Jane, complete log please
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09:20<abrotman>Jane: have you considered the binary nvidia driver isn't compatible with 3.9.x?
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09:21<towo`>304.88-3 should be compatible
09:21<abrotman>with the options that Jane compiled in?
09:21<Jane>It is no compatible with 3.9.x
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09:23<Jane>m-a clean nvidia
09:23<Jane>m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
09:23<agaida>m-a ?
09:23<abrotman>module-assistant, the old way
09:24<Jane>and not compile the nvidia module
09:24<agaida>not my business
09:24<Jane>because the headers of kenel 3.9.4 not exists
09:24<abrotman>Jane: you're the one that instlalled that kernel, use the Debian kernel, prove it still doesn't work
09:25<abrotman>Jane: otherwise, you get to support your own busted kernel
09:25<towo`>make deb-pkg builds image and headers
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09:25<Jane>With kernel debian works. But I want kernel 3.9.4
09:25<abrotman>Jane: why?
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09:26<Jane>I want to have 3.9.4 with new features
09:26<nevyn>Jane: did you build the kernel using make deb-pkg?
09:26<abrotman>like what?
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09:27*nevyn likes having support for his hardware..
09:27<nevyn>that's cool
09:27<abrotman>Jane: if you want to build a kernel outside Debian, you get to support it. We can't possibly know which of 10000 ways you broke your kernel or your system
09:27<Jane>I know it
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09:27<abrotman>Jane: there is a #nvidia on
09:28<Jane>thank so much
09:28<abrotman>i have no idea why you didn't install your kernel headers .. they should be there somewhere
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09:28<Jane>because there isn't kernel headers 3.9.4
09:28<abrotman>you compiled your kernel .. find the headers
09:29<nevyn>Jane: how did you build the kernel?
09:29<Jane>in /usr/src/linux-3.9.4?
09:29<nevyn>what commands/guide did you suse?
09:29<nevyn>not where.
09:29<nevyn>and eww btw.
09:30<Jane>I did: " make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
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09:30<nevyn>make-kpkg has a target to build the headers.
09:30<nevyn>and it's mostly sorta kinda deprecated
09:31<nevyn>make deb-pkg is in the kernel mainline works and is faster and doesn't use 2xkernelsource disk space to build
09:31<dpkg>make-kpkg is no longer the recommended method for building kernel packages. See <kernel handbook> for current instructions. It can be used to make a debian package for a custom kernel. See man make-kpkg, <kp mantra>. NOTE it does not automatically create header packages, needed for module-assistant and dkms.
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09:32<SynrG>iirc there's a section in there specifically for building kernels using upstream source
09:32<SynrG>(in the kernel handbook)
09:32<nevyn>Jane: ^^
09:34<Jane>ok understood
09:34<Jane>I will use upstream source
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09:45<porto>Pitxyoki back )
09:45<porto>you have iwconfig wlan0 power off?
09:46<porto>to have more speed in wireless?
09:47<Pitxyoki>That makes no sense.
09:47<porto>in my case thats works
09:47<porto>when i turn poweroff in wlan
09:47<porto>they speed up to 2900kps
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09:48<porto>in my dropbox sync files
09:48<porto>if i have power on
09:48<porto>i have only 200 kps
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09:49<Pitxyoki>That still makes no sense.
09:50<Jane>thanks SynRG
09:50<porto>see the
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09:52<porto>what you think?
09:52<strangelemon>Power off means power management off fyi
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09:53<porto>but why speed up the connection?
09:53<porto>when i turn off?
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09:53<strangelemon>Power management tries to increase battery life by providing less power to the radio
09:54<strangelemon>so yes, I suggest you keep it off, it doesn't work very well with my wireless chip for example (dropped connections)
09:54<SynrG>i don't understand why that article suggests to attach the setting to /etc/pm/power.d/
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09:54<SynrG>doesn't it properly belong to /etc/network/if-up.d/ ?
09:55<Pitxyoki>Sorry, I was thinking of txpower.
09:55<porto>no probs Pitxyoki
09:56<porto>but if not you are using the battery i can have more speed
09:56<porto>turn off the power mng
09:56<porto>what is your opinion?
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09:57<SynrG>look, if the power management is broken for this wireless interface, then do whatever works.
09:57<SynrG>but i would look for an upstream bug on the particular wireless chipset ...
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09:58<SynrG>find a patch, if-and-when available, and file a bug on the debian kernel to include it
09:58<SynrG>but i would *not* attach this setting to power.d
09:58<SynrG>that's for when the *power on state of the system* changes ...
09:58<SynrG>but if you rfkill the wireless ...
09:58<SynrG>when the wireless is toggled on again, your power saving state might be lost.
09:59<SynrG>so it belongs to /etc/network/, not /etc/pm/
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10:02<porto>yes i create the file for when restart laptop they turnoff the power but
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10:02<porto>i prefer do that in manual
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10:03<SynrG>why? i see no advantage to that.
10:03<porto>because if i use the laptop only with battery
10:03<SynrG>oh well, do what you like about managing that setting. i just think the article is wrong in its recommendation ...
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10:03<porto>drain the battery
10:04<porto>what you think?
10:04<SynrG>so then get your /etc/network script to obey the current battery/ac state
10:04<SynrG>you can do that
10:04<porto>ah yayay
10:04<porto>gona check
10:04<SynrG>you can also manipulate it both places
10:04<porto>nice touch ;)
10:04<SynrG>the /etc/network script to restablish setting after the interface comes up (obeying whether on battery or not)
10:05<SynrG>and the /etc/pm script to change the state when simply changing from ac to battery and back
10:05<porto>but the article its correct ?
10:05<porto>in create file step?
10:05<porto>because in d7 i done that but didn't wor
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10:06<SynrG>i don't know. i didn't give a thorough review of the article and the corresponding doc in debian
10:06<porto>ah ok
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10:06<SynrG>it just seemed wrong to me it disregarded /etc/network
10:07<SynrG>check debian doc (man page etc, see /usr/share/doc/pm-utils for example)
10:07<SynrG>this is esp important when trying to apply instructions for another distro
10:07<porto>thanks for your help
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10:07<SynrG>but is a good habit to do for any web instructions anyway
10:08<SynrG>question them and cross-check against doc
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10:12<porto>i thin i can edit the /etc/pm/config.d/blacklist
10:12<porto>and add hook_blacklist="wireless"
10:13<porto>when i plug the power they turn off the wireless power ;)
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10:14<wardhan>hi all. i am seeding a couple of torrents on rtorrent. eventhough i am only seeding, it always show download speeds. does it mean that rtorrent is downloading anything ?
10:15<SynrG>i imagine there's some communications overhead
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10:15<SynrG>so a tiny trickle of download speed for that
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10:17<SynrG>that's conjecture only
10:18<wardhan>perhaps announcing to the client. i got bit worried b'coz sometimes it is showing almost 5KB continously for an hour or so
10:18<porto>i gona check my configs
10:18<porto>if they work and back later
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10:18<porto>thanks for your advice!
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10:19<SynrG>porto: good luck
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10:51<pssalman_>hi, anyone can help me how to create a local apt repo for oracle java
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10:52<abrotman>what's wrong with openjdk ?
10:52<pssalman_>nothing wrong, i just want to install oracle java
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10:56<Pitxyoki>apt-get install java-package
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10:57<pssalman_>Pitxyoki: and after that?
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11:06<SynrG>pssalman_: read the doc and do what it says?
11:06<loki>how cah i ask aptitude to list base system packages
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11:06<SynrG>'base' is not precisely defined
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11:07<Guest602>so let me ask in different way...
11:07<SynrG>you can show required packages. you can show essential packages ... but a base system as installed by debian-installer or as installed by debootstrap, seems to be something slightly more than those criteria alone.
11:07<pssalman_>SynrG: but this method is to create a deb file, i want to create a local repo
11:08<SynrG>pssalman_: so? as i said earlier, apt-ftparchive
11:08<Guest602>ok where can i find a list of packages that are in base system??
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11:08<abrotman>Guest602: you can look at package priorities .. though that isn't 100%, but it should get you close
11:08<SynrG>dpkg -l after performing an install? :)
11:08<dpkg>ii after performing an install? :) 3.1-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
11:08<nmeum>Guest602: if you just want to list all packages installed use `dpkg --get-selections`
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11:09<Guest602>nmeum what i want is a list of packages that are in base system..nothing more nothing less
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11:10<SynrG>Guest602: the problem is, there are certain packages you need to boot a system but aren't technically 'required' or 'essential'. take grub-pc for example
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11:10<SynrG>but the only thing that gives that special status is debian-installer selects it by default
11:10<SynrG>the user could have selected lilo, though, and that would work just as well
11:10<SynrG>so you see, a 'base system' can't be precisely defined
11:10<SynrG>as it depends on certain user choices
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11:11<SynrG>not to mention variations in architecture
11:11<SynrG>(different default bootloaders for different architectures ...)
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11:12<SynrG>Guest602: so really, you have only one sure-fire way to determine what's in it. install a base system, then list the packages that were installed.
11:13<Guest602>ok thnanks
11:13<SynrG>a variation of that is debootstrap a system, then show what gets included
11:13<SynrG>but be aware a debootstrapped system isn't a bootable system
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11:14<SynrG>it can run in a chroot, but needs other packages (kernel, bootloader, to name two) to be bootable
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11:14<filam>I'm a new Debian user and would like to append the vga flag to the Grub kernel boot line, but can't find the right configuratio file
11:14<stderr>Guest602: Why do you want such a list? Maybe there's a better solution.
11:15<SynrG>filam: /etc/default/grub and afterwards update-grub
11:16<ginko>how to deal with a .jar file -> java -version:
11:16<filam>SynrG: Right, should I just append the flag to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX?
11:16<SynrG>filam: that will work, yes.
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11:16<abrotman>ginko: whta's wrong with that?
11:17<Guest602>i want to make a clean the idea is to find out base system packages..mark the as manually installed and then from the all other packages i can chooso what i want to be marked as manually intalled ...all the othes intsalled packages will be marked as auto instaeed..and so in the next can be removed by aptitude!!!
11:17<filam>SynrG: What's the difference between that variable and *_DEFAULT?
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11:18<ginko>abrotman: how do i execute a jar file, shall i extract it?
11:18<ginko>abrotman: wanted to do jar xf file.jar -> jar command not found
11:18<themill>ginko: if it can actually be run, then "java -jar foo.jar"
11:18<stderr>filam: Have you read info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
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11:19<ginko>themill: thanks
11:19<SynrG>filam: the info page describes
11:19<filam>stderr: No, but thanks for mentioning it
11:19<SynrG>filam: see the comment header on that file. it points to it
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11:20<SynrG>er, what stderr said is directly from that :)
11:20<stderr>Yeah, I wonder where I found that... :-)
11:20<SynrG>so if you are looking at that file, it points at everything you need to know
11:21<SynrG>also pay attention to man page references to info pages ... surprisingly the info pages are sometimes not just strict duplicates of man pages and turn out to contain useful info :)
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11:22<SynrG>stderr, filam: incidentally, i had always wondered that myself and didn't look it up until today. (i might have guessed that was what its purpose was, but always wondered ...)
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11:23<SynrG>it's a bit frustrating for the new user to have docs and doc xrefs scattered between config file headers, the foot of very long man pages, /usr/share/doc, and so forth ...
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11:23<SynrG>but once you catch on, you can find out pretty much everything you need to know on your own.
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11:27<filam>SynrG: Thanks, yup, pretty straight forward
11:28<filam>Are there no vim keybindings for info?
11:28<filam>I see plenty of love for emacs
11:29<SynrG>i hate hate hate the default info client
11:29<SynrG>when i remember to use it, i use pinfo instead.
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11:29<stderr>filam: --vi-keys
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11:30<bullgard4>"You have searched for packages that names contain gtodo in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Found 2 matching packages. squeeze (oldstable), sid (unstable)." Why is this package not included in Wheezy?
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11:30<SynrG>stderr: ah. don't know how i overlooked that :) but i've used pinfo since about 10 years back or so
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11:31<themill>bullgard4: it's also not in unstable
11:31<stderr>I didn't knew about it either, I just checked the man-page...
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11:31<themill>,bug rm gtodo
11:31<judd>Bug in (closed): «RM: gtodo -- abandoned upstream; unmaintained; alternatives exist»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-10-17; last modified: 2012-12-15.
11:31<filam>stderr: Haha, of course I searched for "vim"
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11:35<bullgard4>themill: This explains it. -- Thank you very much for your help.
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11:38<Pichorra_>hello, Can someone help me to get my monitor running on Native resolution?
11:38<SynrG>Pichorra_: sure. chipset please? lspci -nn | grep -i vga
11:39<bullgard4>Pichorra_: You need to provide more precise info. For example, what is the output of '~$ xrandr'?
11:39<Pichorra_>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0152] (rev 09)
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11:39<Pichorra_>VGA1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
11:39<Pichorra_> 1024x768 60.0*
11:39<Pichorra_> 800x600 60.3 56.2
11:39<Pichorra_> 848x480 60.0
11:39<Pichorra_> 640x480 59.9
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11:39<SynrG>dpkg tell Pichorra__ about paste
11:40<SynrG>my guess is it gives bad EDID
11:40<SynrG>is it a CRT?
11:40<Pichorra__>SAMSUNG SyncMaste 740n
11:40<Pichorra__>it is VGA, but the computer only got a DVI port
11:41<Pichorra__>so, i'm using a DVI2VGA adapter
11:41<SynrG>egrep -i 'EDID|modes|modeline' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:41<Pichorra__>the monitor support up to 1280x1024
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11:42<Pichorra__>egrep stuff:
11:43<SynrG>huh. so EDID only tells it it can handle those modes
11:43<SynrG>maybe the DVI2VGA affects that? dunno
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11:43<Willi-Smith>Hi , I have a bad looking hard disk. its dmesg post. I really dont known what to do. It's completely death or not?
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11:44<SynrG>Pichorra__: do you have /etc/X11/Xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ files?
11:44<Pichorra__>SynrG, The monitor was running fine under Win8
11:44<SynrG>sorry, i meant /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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11:45<Pichorra__>I created a xorg.conf using some info I got in Internet, hold on
11:45<SynrG>well, i dunno why the EDID probe fails to get the supported modes. it does, though
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11:45<SynrG>you shouldn't actually need xorg.conf
11:45<SynrG>maybe that's screwing it up?
11:46<Pichorra__>hmm... Dunno. You want me to delete it?
11:46<SynrG>or rename
11:46<SynrG>sec, let me look at the contents ...
11:46<Willi-Smith>Does anybody know what these sata errors means? SError: { PHYRdyChg LinkSeq TrStaTrns }
11:47<SynrG>Pichorra__: ya, were those instructions the settings for *your monitor*?
11:47<Jane>I resolved the problem
11:47<Jane>modprobe nouveau
11:47<Jane>and working
11:48<Jane>fucking shit driver nvidia
11:48<SynrG>Pichorra__: i see nothing wrong with that xorg.conf
11:48<SynrG>and that would be a valid way to workaround broken EDID
11:48<Jane>kernel 3.9.4
11:48<Pichorra__>this is my monitor:
11:48<SynrG>although i'm used to seeing a Layout section too
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11:50<Pichorra__>SynrG, so... there's nothing I can do?
11:50<SynrG>Pichorra__: is what i used to workaround broken EDID on my system
11:51<SynrG>there's nothing magic about the identifier names used. those are arbitrary strings ...
11:51<Pichorra__>alright, let me try
11:51<SynrG>i have to run. bus to catch. maybe someone else can pick up the support session from here
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11:51<SynrG>good luck
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12:19<Calinou><Jane> fucking shit driver nvidia <= no u
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12:25<Pichorra>SynrG, I fixed my problem, just to let you know. Thanks for your help.
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12:25<Pichorra>I Replaced my DVI2VGA by another one, and magically, it worked.
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12:25<Calinou>uh uh
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12:33<jordan4ibanez>Hello. I am using debian on a mac g4 ppc, how would I go about installing a video driver? I think that this does not have the real driver installed.
12:33<jordan4ibanez>Well, I know how to install from synaptic, but I have no idea what to install, and how to get it running.
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12:33<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps
12:34<Eryn_1983_FL>i was wondering how do i config the watchdog that is compiled in the kernel? would i just need to drop a /etc/watchdog.conf? or must i recompile? running squeeze
12:34<Eryn_1983_FL>2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP
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12:37<ring0>what is the debian way to start the xserver with an installed gnome environment: 'startx' or 'service gdm3 start'?
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12:42<ompaul>ring0: if you have gdm3 installed it should start automagically
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12:43<ompaul>service gdm3 start is good for a TIAS
12:47<musca>ring0: gnome-core depends on gdm3, i'd say this is a hint
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12:51<ring0>ompaul, the questions was not, whether it should start automatically. it was how to do it manually. well, what is a TIAS supposed to be?
12:51<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
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12:51<ompaul>given that you are asking I suspect you don't
12:52<ring0>i know both (startx and service gdm3 start) work. i'm just asking for the right one
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12:52<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
12:52<ompaul>ring0: ^^ this applies
12:52<ring0>so it doesn't matter?
12:52<ompaul>albeit slightly twisted into - what do you need
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12:53<ompaul>ring0: 99.99999% of this stuff is "what do you want to achieve"
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12:54<ring0>on this machine i usually just work on the cli. but sometimes i'd like to start gnome, which is, where one of the two commands come in play
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12:54<ompaul>then startx
12:55<ompaul>ring0: but ... in my personal opinion, unless the box faces the internet most of them these days have enough clock cycles to spare running X and konsole or terminals within seems sane
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12:55<ompaul>ring0: so why bother to not have X on it
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12:56<ompaul>ring0: just so you have additional things to think about :)
12:56<ring0>ompaul, well, if i don't need it, it doesn't need to run. my opinion :)
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13:19<jw013>quick question: the documentation at mentions getting vmlinuz and initrd.gz from the Debian archives - where exactly is this? thanks
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13:26<cgraf>jw013: look in /boot
13:27<stderr>jw013: You mean the name of the packages?
13:28<jw013>it's for booting the installer from the hard drive without needing a usb stick
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13:28<jw013>i'm trying to follow the wheezy installation guide
13:29<jw013>I found this:
13:29<jw013>looks like the files are in there
13:29<cgraf>yeah, you cant install the kenrel normally becasue the installer is a liveCD, probably iso9660, hence this stuff about copying vmlinux and initrd.gz
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13:30<cgraf>i think there has got to be an easier solution to whatever problem you are experiencing with installation
13:30<jw013>haha, my only problem is not having any spare USB disks on hand :D
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13:31<stderr>jw013: I would have suggested this one:
13:31<stderr>The netboot dir is for PXE-boots.
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13:31<jw013>ohh ok thanks
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13:33<stderr>jw013: If you already have a working Debian system, there are other options.
13:33<jw013>I do
13:34<jw013>I prefer clean installs over upgrades though - I use installs as a chance to clean out stuff I don't need
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13:35<stderr>If you got a spare partition, you could try a debootstrap.
13:35<cgraf>jw013: if you have strongish command line skills, i ... what stderr said
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13:37<jw013>actually the plan was to wipe and repartition the entire disk
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13:37<jw013>i also had a windows partition which I longer need so I can reclaim its space
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13:41<stderr>jw013: You could remove the windows partition, make a new Linux partition (your new / partition), mount it somewhere, do a debootstrap to that partition, bind-mount /dev, /proc, /sys (others?), chroot to the new /, install a kernel and setup a boot loader...
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13:41<stderr>I think I remembered all the steps, but someone else should probably verify it...
13:42<stderr>Anyway, after that's done, you can reboot to your new system and wipe the old one.
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13:48<jw013>hehe, I think it's working
13:48<jw013>if anyone cares I can describe what I did
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13:49<stderr>jw013: Sure...
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13:50<kapitaen>Not sure how many of you are on GTK3.8, but are there any packages that will provide some 3.8-compatible themes?
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13:51<jw013>i had a spare usb drive, but didn't want to reformat it, so I just downloaded 3 files and copied them onto it: the netinst iso, and the vmlinuz and initrd.gz files from the hd-media folder mentioned above
13:51<jw013>then I rebooted into my existing grub and went into the grub cli
13:51<jw013>and basically followed the instructions here:
13:51<jw013>set root=the usb stick partition
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13:51<jw013>the installer booted and its running
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13:52<stderr>In other words: You followed the guide. :-)
13:53<jw013>yeah, :)
13:53<jw013>thanks for the help
13:53<stderr>Good boy... Or girl... Here's a cookie for you.
13:53<stderr>No problem.
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14:12<kstar>Where can I find unormal?
14:12<kstar>Any Debian folks at Texas Linux Fest
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14:18<abrotman>kstar: are those two things related?
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14:38<flo>Quel qu'un parle francais ?
14:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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14:47<jordan4ibanez>Wow there are so many usable ppc apps for this, it's freakin amazing! There are actually more apps than the mac os that's intended for this g4. :O
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14:56<kstar>abrotman: Yep.
14:57<kstar>abrotman: I was told that unormal would be around with some Debian T-Shirts. My friend kmap wanted me to get one for him.
14:59<cgraf>jordan4ibanez: your video card that you were asking about earlier. Make sure pciutils is installed and run "lspci | grep VGA" without the quotes. To find out the make of the device. Likewise, you can find all of the pci devices in the output of "lspci"
15:00<jordan4ibanez>0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI R250 If [Radeon 9000] (rev 01)
15:01<stderr>jordan4ibanez: Can you try lspci -nn | grep VGA ?
15:01<abrotman>jordan4ibanez: did you install the firmware for your radeon card?
15:02<jordan4ibanez>0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI R250 If [Radeon 9000] [1002:4966] (rev 01)
15:02<jordan4ibanez>And what do you mean abrotman?
15:02<stderr>judd: pciid 1002:4966
15:02<judd>[1002:4966] is 'RV250 [Radeon 9000 Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeonfb', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
15:03<abrotman>!radeon firmware
15:03<dpkg>Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver.
15:03<jordan4ibanez>OH that's why it runs a little slow! Will this allow for compositing?
15:04<abrotman>i'd imagine so
15:04<jordan4ibanez>Now, erm, how do I install it?
15:04<jordan4ibanez> firmware-linux-nonfree?
15:05<abrotman>jordan4ibanez: enable the non-free sources, aptitude update;aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree
15:05<jordan4ibanez>Thank you. Also, I have an ati rage 128 for my g4, should I install a driver for it? Or is there even a driver available/
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15:05<abrotman>those cards are really good for much
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15:07<jordan4ibanez>So I'm guessing that's a no? :P
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15:25<jordan4ibanez>Okay so I rebooted my computer with the nonfree package installed, but compositing still isn't enabled. :<
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15:25<crozz>Where can I get the official repos for wheezy?
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15:32<aleck>anyone around ?
15:33<stderr>If you got a question, just ask.
15:34<aleck>Well , i have some troubles with my debian server ..
15:34<stderr>I think we need a little more info...
15:34<aleck>I'm running MYSQL : Server version: 5.5.31-0+wheezy1 (Debian)
15:35<aleck>with phpmyadmin : Version information:
15:35<aleck>installed with apt-get...
15:35<aleck>i think phpmyadmin .. don't work so good..
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15:36<aleck>When i'm trying to search , got some errors , when i want to export some line from a DB instead to export i get on insert line..
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15:37<aleck>even when i want to mass delete .. i get into insert line..
15:37<stderr>You might want to tell us the error message. It might be useful.
15:38<aleck>you can check there
15:38<aleck>if i use something like
15:38<aleck>select * from users where username like '%username%';
15:38<aleck>on SQL
15:38<aleck>it works
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15:40<stderr>Looks like a syntax error... Near "LIMIT 0, 200"... Was that something you wrote?
15:41<jordan4ibanez>So I'm trying to downgrade a package, how do I force install?
15:41<aleck>No , i just put on "search" button on Username field a name.. and i get that error..
15:43<stderr>aleck: I don't use phpmyadmin. Is there a way to get the complete query it tried to execute? Maybe clicking the "[...]" in the error?
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15:44<aleck>i guess it's a phpmyadmin problem , by version .. dunno why debian don't use newest phpmyadmin version..
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15:44<aleck>i was trying phpmyadmin 4.0.2 from source and works ... but i want to use from packages..
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15:46<stderr>It does look like a bug in phpmyadmin.
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15:47<aleck>it is... but it's weird because debian use kinda new mysql server versions on packages and old phpmyadmin..
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15:57<Supaplex>dhclient does not trigger the hooks I added. any suggestions? trying to prevent the default route from installing
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16:00<stderr>Supaplex: Wheezy?
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16:03<stderr>Did you create the /etc/dhcp3 dir yourself?
16:04<Supaplex>there's a hook for samba
16:04<stderr>I ask because I don't have it. I only got /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d (with not 3).
16:04<stderr>The debian-user mail you refer to talks about Lenny.
16:05<stderr>Try putting the hook in /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d if you got that dir and see if that helps.
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16:06<Supaplex>yeah, /etc/dhcp/ is there too. just moved it. testing this.
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16:11<Supaplex>well, I can tell my hook runs. now to figure out if the dhcp server is playing dead. heh
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16:12<stderr>If it's your own DHCP-server, wouldn't it be easier to fix the problem there?
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16:14<Supaplex>not my dhcpd, but yes. I'm playing with multihome/source based load balancing (connection tracking and marking to pin connections to their chosen egress)
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16:28<Supaplex>yup, layer1 issue.
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17:18<porto>hia Can someone advise have 6 gb of memory the CPU is an i5 and 400 gb hard disk with debian installed 7, now I always have 800 megs of free memory, just got the thunderbird and google chrome open, should I create a disk for swap ?
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17:21<melmothX>porto: that's just insane
17:22<melmothX>I'd say, first learn how to check the memory usage, then restart chromium or don't keep 200 tabs open
17:22<porto>2 tabs open :(
17:22<blast007>porto: perhaps you're not taking into account that Linux will use some of your RAM for cache and buffers?
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17:23<porto>dono ..
17:23<melmothX>porto: please post "free -m" to a pastebin
17:24<melmothX>you have 4 gigas free, go in peace
17:25<porto>thats ok ?
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17:25<melmothX>perfectly fine
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17:25<blast007>porto: the cache and buffers can and will get freed up if software requires additional memory
17:25<melmothX>the kernel uses as much memory as possible and release it when needed
17:26<melmothX>but always watch the second line of "free"
17:26<blast007>the +/- buffers/cache line, that is
17:27<porto>I was getting worried,
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17:32<melmothX>!free ram
17:32<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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17:33<dpkg>After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk (although this doesn't seem to be needed with the kernels in lenny onwards): cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null
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17:40<Pichorra>Hey, can somebody help me to get my scanner working in SANE?
17:41<Pichorra>HP DeskJet F4580
17:41<Pichorra>HPLIP from hplip website (i had problems with debian hplip)
17:41<Pichorra>Bus 001 Device 004: ID 03f0:8c11 Hewlett-Packard Deskjet F4500 series
17:41<onitaL>I can't remember if cups has to be configured with that
17:42<Pichorra>The Scanner was working in Squeeze
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17:51<Pichorra> warning: Missing REQUIRED dependency for option 'scan': sane-devel (SANE - Scanning library development files)
17:52<Pichorra>apt-get install sane-devel do not give me nothing
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17:52<Pichorra>give me nothing*
17:53<calisto>hi all, who add i386 on mi machine 64 bits on debian7?
17:53<devil>Pichorra: try libsane-dev#
17:53<devil>Pichorra: try libsane-dev
17:53<devil>calisto: who or how?
17:54<calisto>how, sorry but my english not good
17:54<devil>calisto: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update
17:54<calisto>i try....
17:54<Pichorra>libsane-dev is the newest :(
17:54<devil>Pichorra: maye libsane-extras-dev
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17:54<miatru>sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade
17:55<devil>miatru: what is that for?
17:55<calisto>devil: idedove in debian 7 and testing, dont send a mails over tsl smtp, you know any about this?
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17:55<Pichorra>meh... should I recompile HPLIP install?
17:56<devil>calisto: no, i use sid and it works (17.0.5)
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17:59<calisto>thanks devil
17:59<Pichorra>warning: An error occurred running 'su -c "apt-get install --yes cupsys-bsd"
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18:00<Pichorra>maybe it is required for scanning?
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18:02<onitaL> hmm
18:02<onitaL>but you said it worked in squeee
18:03<Pichorra>pretty well
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18:04<Pichorra>in wheezy, it prints, but sane do not recognise it
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18:06<Myon>printing is teh evil
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18:12<onitaL>those are all the cups and sane packages I have installed
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18:15<Pichorra>you are on sid?
18:15<onitaL>yes, I am
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18:16<Pichorra>look almost the same
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18:18<qaz>hi all
18:18<onitaL>you don't have hplip-cups (3.12.6-3.1)
18:20<cgraf>if you "man apt-get" --yes is assume yes to any questions asked. its generally more useful for scripting, where you dont want yourself or a user to be asked the question at all. as opposed to --force-yes which just answers the first Y/n prompt.
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18:21<Pichorra>cgraf, it was in the hplip installation setup
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18:21<Pichorra>let me restart the computer...
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18:25<Pichorra>nothing yet
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18:26<onitaL>did you install hplip-cups ?
18:26<onitaL>did you go to localhost:631/printers ?
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18:27<Pichorra>onitaL, what you want me to do there?
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18:28<onitaL>delete the printer and re add it
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18:29<Pichorra>onitaL, using cups or te HP setup?
18:30<onitaL>I'd use cups. anyone wants to give an opinion in here?
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18:33<Pichorra>Added trough CUPS, it prints, but SANE still do not detect it
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18:33<ompaul>sane is a different animal
18:33<ompaul>you need firmware for the scanner
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18:33<Pichorra>where can I get it?
18:34<ompaul>install the right firmware and you will be happy - if only there was a way to search the internet with the keywords sane model-of-scanner linux
18:35<fede>(just a short related question: i have a wifi multifunction printer in the lan, there is a way to get scanner working? )
18:35<ompaul>why does an opensuse bug from two years ago apply to debian?
18:35<fede>( not goin to work on it tonight, just y/n is enough )
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18:36<Pichorra>'cause debian use outdated stuff?
18:36<ompaul>fede: what I said already
18:36<ompaul>Pichorra: I'm losing interest in what you are typing very quickly
18:37<ompaul>so next type in debian instead of the word linux
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18:37*ompaul upgraded your query
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18:37<Pichorra>ompaul, and if I get an updated sane packet?
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18:38<Pichorra>look, SANE says F4500 series is fine
18:38<ompaul>stick with the version of sane on your system - which debian have you got and what is the exact printer
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18:40<qaz2012>I'm using qbittorent-nox on my debian server but the version 2.9.2 have problem with the new firefox 18
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18:41<qaz2012>I tried deluge and it always crashing
18:41<qaz2012>what is a good torrent program who don't need X?
18:41<Arrowmaster>i use deluge
18:41<Arrowmaster>theres rtorrent i guess
18:42<Arrowmaster>and i think transmission has a cli mode
18:42<stderr>It does.
18:42<qaz2012>I try to use 1.3.3 of deluge build source from sid the engin always is offine
18:42<qaz2012>they said transmission send info out it this true?
18:43<stderr>bittorrent and bittornado also has text interfaces.
18:44<qaz2012>I'm looking with web interface
18:44<qaz2012>line qbittorent-nox
18:44<qaz2012>deluge-web etc
18:44<qaz2012>I'm try to compile qtorrent 3.0.9 from source but is a mess
18:46<qaz2012> elast for me ;)
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18:48<Arrowmaster>qaz2012: what do you mean 1.3.3 from sid?
18:48<qaz2012>apt-get -b source deluge
18:48<Arrowmaster>huh strange
18:49<Arrowmaster>i didnt realize i had been using the version from experimental for so long
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18:56<qaz2012>mmmhhh the deluge 1.3.3 don't reconize magnet?:xt
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19:00<giuseppe>is there a method for make automatically "y" when terminal print if i want install or no
19:02<abrotman>for which command ?
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19:03<qaz2012>apt-get -y install foo
19:03<giuseppe>oh ok thanks
19:03<ompaul>bad idea
19:03<ompaul>if you don't read what it suggests it is going to do before you install it
19:03<ompaul>you may do something you didn't want to
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19:03<onitaL><cgraf> if you "man apt-get" --yes is assume yes to any questions asked. its generally more useful for scripting, where you dont want yourself or a user to be asked the question at all. as opposed to --force-yes which just answers the first Y/n prompt.
19:04<giuseppe>yeah is for a script
19:05<cgraf>you want --force-yes
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19:05<cgraf>the other answers yes to all sorts of installation questions if they are asked. like if you install xorg, and it asks you your keyboard layout for example
19:06<Pichorra>meh, I give up
19:07<Pichorra>there's nothing I can do with this scanner
19:07<ompaul>,v sane
19:07<judd>Package: sane on i386 -- jessie: 1.0.14-9; sid: 1.0.14-9; squeeze: 1.0.14-9; wheezy: 1.0.14-9
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19:08<k-man>how can i return a packages configuration files to the original dpkg state?
19:08<abrotman>!tell k-man about confnew
19:09<k-man>thanks abrotman
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19:37<jemadux>can some gie me their .muttrc for their server ? i setup my server from this how to
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19:50<thatguychuck15>Does anyone know a way to add hash checking to the file properties tab in thunar? I ran a few google searches but haven't come up with anything useful.
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20:01<uberushaximus>my thinkpad on debian stable won't go into suspend/hibernate on lid close, I don't have a DM installed.
20:01<uberushaximus>is there some script I need to tweak?
20:02<uberushaximus>the lid close does trigger xscreensaver though
20:02<uberushaximus>and forcing suspend/hibernate works
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20:09<jeep>uberushaximus, let me know when you find the how-to on it i need to set mine up also
20:11<cgraf>thatguychuck15: edit > configure custom actions the syntax is a bit complicated once you have the gui open, but it does allow you to specify special commands or operations for different types of files
20:11<cgraf>look at their example command "Open terminal here"
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20:13<thatguychuck15>cgraf: Thank you, I'll get started there.
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20:27<cgraf>uberushaximus: this is actuall fairly detailed about which configurations files to manipulate if you want a custom event when you close the lid.
20:27<cgraf>there is an example about 2/3 down of someone making custom actions for a thinkpad
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20:30<cgraf>i did an 'apt-file search" and on my install that file is located at /etc/acpi/actions/
20:31<uberushaximus>I don't have /actions/
20:31<uberushaximus>for some reason!
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20:33<cgraf>oh i it actually searches against the archives. it is in the package "laptop-mode-tools"
20:33<uberushaximus>odd that I didn't have that :\
20:34<cgraf>i installed that and now i have the file. From my undestanding you can make custom event files by placing them in this directory.
20:34<jeep>uberushaximus, try /etc/acpi/ ?
20:34<uberushaximus>jeep: I just installed laptop-mode-tools
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20:41<cgraf>jemadux: there is a sample muttrc file in /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/sample.muttrc.gz
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21:00<jeep_>uberushaximus, what desktop are you using ?
21:00<uberushaximus>oh, dwm
21:00<jeep_>like kde gnome xfce
21:01<uberushaximus>keyboard controls ftw
21:01<jeep_>yeah that
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21:03<jeep_>uberushaximus, i just used the xfce power manager to set mine up it works good
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21:03<uberushaximus>I'm just going to set something in lm_lid eventually, I'm going to use hotkeys in the meantime
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21:04<jeep_>uberushaximus, your not using x ?
21:04<uberushaximus>I am using X
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21:04<uberushaximus>I'm not using a full DM though
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21:05<jeep_>what are you using ?
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21:07<jeep_>ah i see
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21:09<jeep_>i might have to try that out
21:10<jeep_>uberushaximus, just executing /usr/sbin/pm-suspend works well i set sudo up so my user account can exec it
21:10<uberushaximus>Yep, I did that on another install
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21:50<hdb2>when I issue the mount command on my wheezy system, I see lots of optimizations (relatime, etc.), but I see none of the options in /etc/fstab. where are they coming from?
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21:50<hdb2>(this is on wheezy b/t/w)
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22:03<cgraf>mount has tons of options if you "man mount". some of these can de expressed with simple defaults like "rw" or "defaults". or just do an expriment like "mkdir /new_dir ; mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /newdir" and look at how the output of `mount" varies from what you just ran
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22:05<cgraf>likewise you could fit a very long line including many of those options into /etc/fstab. but some are defaults. Just look in man mount, it is not a simple utility, though its application can be
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22:17<omixam_>hello, I can't install java plugin to firefox/icewasel in debian 7...
22:17<cgraf>hdb2: also the purpose of /etc/fstab is to automatically mount filesystems, and to set up the initial location of "/" the root of your directory system. It does not define any defaults for mount. But instead relies on mounts defualts, or the options you specify.
22:20<hdb2>cgraf: forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you, but I understand /etc/fstab…but my understanding is that if I wanted mount options like "defaults" or "relatime" or "noatime" I would have to define them in /etc/fstab. I see a number of options in the output of mount and in /etc/mtab that simply don't exist in /etc/fstab, and aren't present on my squeeze systems. where are they coming from?
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22:23<blast007>omixam_: openjdk 6 or 7? I recall someone the other day having issues with getting the icedtea plugin for 7 working in the browser, but 6 worked.
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22:26<cgraf>they are coming from the utility itself i believe determined by the type of filesystem specified. there are different versions or mount. look at /etc/mtab as well.
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22:27<hdb2>cgraf: I think I've learned something: some of that information is included in the filesystem superblock, which can be viewed/changed with tune2fs
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22:31<omixam_>openjdk 7 and icedTea...
22:32<omixam_>I add the permalink to plugin folder but not work...
22:32<blast007>omixam_: do you need 7? 6 is also in Wheezy.
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22:33<cgraf>yeah thats what it is saying in the mount man page, is that they are passed from the fileystem type.
22:34<omixam_>well, I'm installing openjdk6 and let me test some app... but the security in jdk6?
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22:36<blast007>omixam_: from the discussion about this the other day "OpenJDK 6 is still maintained and receives security support (which is in contrast to JDK6 from Oracle)"
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22:38<omixam_>Oh really openjdk6 is more secure that the same oracle-jdk6?
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22:41<cgraf>omixam_: usually it is safe to say that open source software is more secure. Because 1000's + people testing it all times. Closed source encryotpion for example is considered to be a "joke", and is generally cracked with days or weeks
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22:47<omixam_>Of course...
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22:49<omixam_>I was readding in the is recomended for wheezy do a java-package...
22:49<SamB>cgraf: it's not so much closed-source encryption, but secret-sauce encryption: the actual source code used doesn't absolutely have to be known to the public ...
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22:52<themill>omixam_: that's the recommended way to install Oracle Java, not the recommended way to get a working java on your system
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22:56<omixam_>I installed openjdk6 but java is not working in the browser yet....
22:57<themill>there's no such package as "openjdk6"
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22:59<themill>Installing "icedtea-plugin" is all that is needed to get a java plugin working with iceweasel.
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23:02<cgraf>SamB: i see.
23:02<SamB>of course open source helps too
23:03<SamB>but the really infamously bad idea is to make up your own encryption algorithm and think that by not telling anybody what it is, you somehow get more security
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23:31<omixam>J install openjdk-6-jre but java is not working in the browser yet..
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23:32<blast007>omixam: did you install the icedtea-6-plugin package?
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23:42<omixam>also I installed icedtea-6-plugin but java is not working in firefox yet....
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23:46<blast007>omixam: firefox, or iceweasel?
23:46<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on
23:47<SamB>(it's basically the same thing, but more integrated)
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23:48<omixam>I have the same problem with firefox and icewasel...
23:48<SamB>what happens?
23:49<omixam>java not work in the browser...
23:50<SamB>what did you try, and what happened?
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23:54<war1ocks>hello world
23:54<omixam>I installed openjdk 6 and 7 jre and IcedTea plugin but java is not working in the browser
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23:57<SamB>omixam: I mean, maybe if you mentioned what page you went to it would help?
23:58<SamB>(I don't really run full browsers in Debian myself at the moment, mind you; I just happen to know that "it doesn't work" is not often an adequate description of a problem)
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