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01:07<galvao>Guys, I've noticed some sound issues (like the ring for closing the notebook lid gets "stuck" and repeating itself for a few seconds) on my Wheezy install and when shutting down I've also noticed a warning that "Pulse Audio is configured for per-user session". Can that be related and if so, how can I fix it?
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01:23<DragonDon>greetings all. after many hours spent getting my sound to work, I just found out that my mic does not work.
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01:29<Jimmberie>Hey everyone i'm trying to install libapache2-mod-python I can't get apache to load the mod this is the error that is registereing in apache2's log http://pastebin.com/y25Gsyzj
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02:01<jordan4ibanez>Okay, so I assigned my usb drive as swap instead of my hard disk, how do I automatically make it swapon?
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02:02<melmothX>jordan4ibanez: I suspect you will the usb drive in this way
02:02<melmothX>*will kill
02:02<jordan4ibanez>It's an old one, only 4Gb so if I do, awesome.
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02:05<jordan4ibanez>But how do I make it swapon automatically?
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02:35<bullgard4>Wheezy does not offer the package ubuntu-sounds. Can you recommend a replacement?
02:37<Infiltrator>bullgard4: That's not surprising, as Debian isn't ubuntu. Do you know what that package provides?
02:37<themill>gnome-audio at a guess
02:37<themill>ubuntu-sounds: Ubuntu's GNOME audio theme
02:39<Infiltrator>There's also sound-theme-freedesktop.
02:39<themill>(apt-file search -x /usr/share/sounds/.*/index.theme)
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02:40<jordan4ibanez>Is there a program to map joystick presses to the keyboard?
02:41<bullgard4>themill: read your answer and just installed the package »gnome-audio«. - I will now test it. -- Thank you very much for your help.
02:42<jm_>jordan4ibanez: yes
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02:42<jordan4ibanez>jm_: What is it?
02:43<jm_>jordan4ibanez: joy2key
02:43<jm_>jordan4ibanez: as for swap, you can put it in fstab to swapon it at boot
02:43<jordan4ibanez>:O! I didn't know that was for linux too! :D And I got that all set already, but thank you.
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02:45<sonygt>oi
02:45<sonygt>sd
02:45<sonygt>oi
02:45<bullgard4>Infiltrator: The package sound-theme-freedesktop has been installed a while ago. Still, my Wheezy did not produce a "system-ready"-like sound. I will further investigate. -- Thank you.
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03:02<RainbowW>so i've got a raid6 array running with mdadm, but i want to assemble and boot it when the machine boots. just stuffing it somewhere in the startup scripts seems ... sub-optimal, since the jbods i use take a few seconds to settle when powered up. what's the appropriate method for starting this kind of array? the array is not required to boot.
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03:05<jm_>for me /etc/init.d/mdadm starts it based on /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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03:08<RainbowW>http://pastebin.ca/2388804 does that look something similar to yours? i note mine doesn't discuss which drives to use for the array. instructions used to create here http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/08/mdadm-cheat-sheet/
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03:11<RainbowW>for me etc/init.d/mdadm start starts mdadm --monitor, but it doesn't start the array
03:11<jm_>ARRAY line is similar, but I also have DEVICE partitions
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03:12<jm_>let me check the log, it may be I remember this incorrectly
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03:13<jm_>yeah, mdadm-raid init script does the job
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03:15<akulah>hello guys, i have a problem using the netboot mini.iso
03:15<RainbowW>so in theory, mdadm-raid start should start the array?
03:16<akulah>the installer does not recognize the hard drives properly
03:16<RainbowW>akulah, in your bios, switch from sata or native mode to IDE mode
03:16<akulah>i mean i have an card reader which is empty, but is recognized as /dev/sda to /dev/sdd
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03:17<RainbowW>akulah, that's probably correct behavior
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03:17<jm_>yeah
03:17<jm_>akulah: that's expected
03:18<akulah>it's only happening with the mini.iso, i've always installed debian using the netinst, never got issues, but now i am trying to install sid
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03:19<akulah>ok, so if i install grub to /dev/sde, after a reboot im not shure the pc will boot, cause the order of the devices change
03:20<akulah>could you please point me to some docs about this? i've googled but no success
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03:21<jm_>boot device order should be sorted out in bios, but if you're referring to mounting / then using uuid/label based mount will help
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03:22<akulah>ok, thank you very much ima try sort this out
03:22<akulah>thanks guys
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03:27<RainbowW>so when i start mdadm-raid, i get "generating udev events for md arrays...done" and ok for the status, but i don't get a mountable array (eg /dev/md0). i'm still lost, apparently.
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03:33<jm_>my setup uses partitions of type fd, which is linux raid autodetect
03:34<RainbowW>my problem was that for some reason, my mdadm.conf had the wrong uuid in it. mdadm-raid restart worked, so now we're seeing if a real live reboot works.
03:34<jm_>heh
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03:37<RainbowW>so a real reboot worked. now let's see if we can combine a reboot with an entry in fstab to mount the thing too.
03:37<RainbowW>now we're getting *REALLY* fucking fancy.
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03:37<jm_>yeah should work fine, I have it like that
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03:38<RainbowW>my jbods are unhappy with how fast things try to mount and they burp with sata errors for a minute or two, seriously slows things down.
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03:39<RainbowW>oh bruce almighty. it's been a year since the array got fscked, so it's forcing one now. just what i needed. okay, i'm going to go jog from miami to moscow. should be close to done when i get back.
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03:40<RainbowW>it's a 20tb array. it will take a bit.
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03:45<jm_>and here's me thinking fsck on 720G / takes long :)
03:46<RainbowW>a rebuild on this array takes two days
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03:55<rambod>hi all
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04:37*spowku iHa
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04:39<sebastian_>hi, i've got some issues with keyboard and touchpad on my eee pc @Mint
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04:40<jm_>!mint
04:40<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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04:42<Dark_light>that reminded me, what can I do to get 3d acceleration on debian ppc for r128? support for it in mesa was dropped a few versions ago
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04:59<Supaplex>Dark_light: in all sarcasm, mmmm apt-get hw-upgrade ;-)
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05:10<TobiX>Dark_light: A few versions ago? AFAICS, r128 was dropped in 2011...
05:10<TobiX>Correct me if I'm wrong...
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05:12<Dark_light>yep it was dropped with mesa 7.something
05:13<TobiX>Dark_light: OTOH, mesa in squeeze is old enough to still have that support (I think)
05:13<Dark_light>Supaplex: it's not my main laptop, but why throwing away something that still works?
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05:15<TobiX>Dark_light: Well, 2D and Xv still work... One could go the nvidia route and start a legacy branch with these drivers still present. But I don't know how compatible they are to current DRI (if at all, I think they are all still DRI1)
05:16<Dark_light>TobiX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCKnownIssues could it work if I installed the libgl1-mesa-dri ubuntu package as described there?
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05:16<Dark_light>or maybe the one from squeeze even better
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05:21<TobiX>Dark_light: Yeah, you could try keeping the one from squeeze around, don't know how good that'll work...
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05:26<azagael>i have many gb's of free space still available on my hard drive, how do i add this to my linux?
05:27<Dark_light>azagael: use gparted from a live cd
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05:27<babilen>azagael: Is it unpartitioned, what do you want to add it to, do you use LVM, ... ?
05:28<Supaplex>Dark_light: I hear ya bro. I still hold on to my g3 and g4, and all sorts of "relics" of the ages. :)
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05:28<azagael>no, nevermind.
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05:29<Dark_light>Supaplex: eheh it's also one of the toughest laptops I've ever used, I dropped it while standing and it just got a scratch
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05:35<azagael>how do i rotate an image in Libreoffice
05:36<babilen>azagael: Try #libreoffice on irc.freenode.net
05:37<azagael>thanks
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05:37<dupondje>I have 2 webservers that use 1 NFS mount for webdata. Now on new files it sometimes gives: "(116: Stale NFS file handle)". Any idea's on how to solve that?
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05:41<babilen>dupondje: There are around 50k hits if you search for '"Stale NFS file handle"' -- What have you tried so far to deal with the problem?
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05:42<dupondje>babilen: I know, but they are all about the nfs server which is unavailable. Which isn't the case here
05:42<babilen>dupondje: You might want to remount that filesystem and try again - But let me know what you've tried so far.
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05:43<babilen>dupondje: Also, is the filesystem using noatime or something like that on the server?
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05:44<dupondje>I tried to mount with 'sync' option to make sure the file is written before requests go to the file, but seems that didn't help
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05:44<dupondje>options now are: rw,sync,bg,udp,hard,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,timeo=300,nfsvers=3
05:45<@weasel>babilen: .oO( "there are around 50k hits. Have you read them all?" :)
05:45<babilen>dupondje: So, does remounting help? What about "exportfs -f" on the server? Seriously, a little bit of reasearch gets us quite far here ;)
05:46<babilen>weasel: *chuckle* :)
05:46<babilen>brb
05:47<dupondje>babilen: I can open the file after 1 minute for example its just. File gets created by web1 on the NFS mount. But then after a second somebody on web2 tries to open the file ...
05:47<dupondje>which then fails. But if you try to open it after 1 minute it works ...
05:48<dupondje>so the write() on web1 should wait until the file is completely written, so web2 can access it
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05:49<nevyn>use a lockfile? touch "writing_foo"; write foo && rm writing_foo
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05:50<dupondje>nevyn: could be an option indeed, but isn't there a way to make write() only returns when file is really written & accessible?
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05:51<nevyn>no. everything lies.
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05:54<Supaplex>Dark_light: my g4 is lovingly known as "frakenbook" because it's a rebuild with some g3 parts. I have a first gen macbook too, that the only thing wrong with it was a screen hinge (free because ebay seller closed their account over disputes)
05:55<Supaplex>but I fixed the screen hinge. :) perfect little "google this while I fall asleep" Q+A machine. (usually idles under the bed)
05:56<Dark_light>eheh
05:56<Dark_light>I'd love to be able to use again for pretty much the same reason
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06:11<wjy>hello!everyboby
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06:17<wjy>please chat with me!!!have one?
06:18<babilen>wjy: This is not a chat channel, but a technical support channel for Debian users. If you are looking for a social channel you might want to try #moocows or a different network.
06:20<wjy>ok,i back.
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06:24<Guest900>qqq
06:24<Guest900>hello
06:24<Infiltrator>Guest900: Please don't spam. If you have a support question, ask it. /msg dpkg ask
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06:35<lin1st>Who know how to quit??
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06:36<wompa>lin1st, /quit
06:36<wompa>lin1st, if you mean quit your irc-client
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07:02<fchmmr>hi, is this the correct place to ask about iceweasel bugs?
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07:02<fanto666> if they appear on debian, maybe
07:02<babilen>fchmmr: ... are they specific to Iceweasel?
07:02<fchmmr>possibly
07:03<fchmmr>I'm using Parabola GNU/Linux
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07:03<fchmmr>but I take it Iceweasel comes from debian
07:03<fchmmr>?
07:03<jm_>still, you should contact them for support
07:03<fchmmr>http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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07:04<fchmmr>#debian-mozilla is it, according to that page
07:04<fchmmr>i will ask there
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07:05<dtw>How can I turn off the Num Lock led? I mean just the led; Num Lock feature itself should be on.
07:05<fanto666>why turn off the led?
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07:05<fchmmr>ok i posted my comment in #debian-mozilla
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07:07<dtw>fanto666, I just don't want to see the led shining all the time. In Squeeze the led indicated the opposite state than in Wheezy.
07:08<fanto666>well, I've never heard of this
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07:08<babilen>fchmmr: We only support pure Debian in here for a number of social and technical reasons
07:08<fchmmr>yes i know
07:08<R_Rios>Hey. I'm using KDE with network manager and the network manager plasmoid and, for some reason, my wifi stops connecting every 10 minutes or so. Then I have to disable and enable the network for it to get back.
07:08<fchmmr>but iceweasel is available in other distros too,
07:08<fchmmr>it is one of these things i think: bug in iceweasel (period), bug in the parabola version of iceweasel, or a bug in simplecart
07:08<fanto666>fchmmr yes, that's why "we" need to know if your problem is debian related
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07:09<fchmmr>not knowing who to submit to, i submitted to this channel, #parabola (freenode) and #debian-mozilla
07:09<babilen>fchmmr: We still only support Debian (and Debian users) .. Use Debian and not some derivative if you want support in #debian*
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07:09<fchmmr>yes
07:09<fanto666>dtw: works still the same here. did you change the way numlock works in squeeze?
07:09<fchmmr>i was not looking for Debian support... only asking about iceweasel
07:09<R_Rios>I suspect that has something to do with the b43 driver somehow (I have a broadcom wireless card), but I'd like to check if someone else is having the same problem
07:09<fchmmr>but your response is quite logical
07:09<fchmmr>thank you for your help
07:10<fchmmr>(by the way parabola isnt a derivative of debian :D )
07:10<fchmmr>parabola is a derivative of Arch GNU/Linux
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07:10<dtw>fanto666, I didn't touch numlockx package. Not aware of other options.
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07:10<babilen>R_Rios: I take it that you have broadcom firmware installed? Also: Which adaptor exactly? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) Can you reproduce the problem outside of KDE? (not sure and I don't think its related, but still)
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07:11<babilen>fchmmr: In that case I am even more confused about the relation to Debian, but meh ...
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07:11<fchmmr>understandable
07:11<fanto666>dtw: numlock should affect state of numlock, but I don't know if we can change the way it shines
07:12<fchmmr>my logic goes like this: its about iceweasel so the distro is irrelevant
07:12<fanto666>fchmmr the problem may lie outside of iceweasel, in libraries etc...
07:12<jm_>actually I wouldn't say it is - do you know if they build it with the same options? same library versions? ...
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07:12<Sicelo>your logic is faulty either way. we are not iceweasel
07:12<babilen>fchmmr: I have no idea why they would package iceweasel and not firefox themselves - It *erally* doesn't make sense. But lets drop it as it just isn't on-topic here.
07:13<R_Rios>babilen: 0e:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
07:13<babilen>ugh, lp-phy
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07:13<R_Rios>Also, yes, I think I have it installed, but let me check.
07:13<babilen>R_Rios: You might want to try the <wl> driver and check if you get better results or try a newer kernel (e.g. 3.9 from unstable)
07:14<fchmmr>babilen: i found out why
07:14<fchmmr>iceweasel and icecat disable the about:config option "dom.storage.enabled" by default
07:14<R_Rios>babilen: I installed this guy: firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
07:14<fchmmr>re-enabling it fixes the problem
07:14<babilen>R_Rios: The broadcom wireless adaptors and lp-phy are known to be problematic and I've seen many people in here having problems with them.
07:14<fchmmr>could some debian users check their iceweasel too in about:config to see if that option is disabled or not
07:15<jm_>no it's not
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07:15<R_Rios>And, yeah, I knew these drivers are problematic, but I just wanted to be sure
07:16<R_Rios>Will try to install wl (since I don't see a reason to upgrade the kernel when I can simply install a better driver)
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07:16<R_Rios>Thanks
07:16<babilen>fchmmr: It is enabled -- Just take it to parabola.
07:16<fchmmr>ok,
07:16<babilen>dpkg: tell R_Rios about wl
07:16<fchmmr>if debian has it enabled by default then debian has no issue
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07:16<fchmmr>seems then this is a parabola-specific case
07:16<fchmmr>my apologies for wasting your time
07:16<babilen>
07:17<babilen>fchmmr: Have a good day! :)
07:17<fchmmr>ditto
07:17<fanto666>dtw: i mean, mu numlock shines if numerick keypad sends numbers. I don't know if there's simple way to change this. Did this work for you differently?
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07:18<fanto666>dtw: i mean, mu numlock shines if numerick keypad sends numbers. I don't know if there's s
07:18<Infiltrator>fanto666: I'm fairly certain that on every single keyboard I've ever used, the num lock LED was on when num lock was on. I'm pretty sure that this is a keyboard thing.
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07:20<Sicelo>well you actually can configure it your way.. but it's not 'standard.' i'm sure you can find tutorias for it very easily fanto666
07:20<fanto666>Infiltrator: the leds can be changed without the keyboard states
07:20<fanto666>Sicelo: tell dtw, not me ;)
07:20<Sicelo>ah. sorry :P
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07:22<dtw>fanto666, that's what I'm asking: is there a way to 1) turn off just the led or 2) switch the led indicator to the opposite. With Squeeze it was the opposite to Wheezy, in my system.
07:23<Sicelo>well you actually can configure it your way.. but it's not 'standard.' i'm sure you can find tutorias for it very easily dtw
07:23<Sicelo>^^
07:23<fanto666>dtw: what do you mean this was the opposite?
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07:24<fanto666>dtw: I have never seen different behaviour to the one I described. Maybe as an error when the led showed something different that was set
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07:24<RRios>babilen: So far, so good. Let's see how long that lasts. Thanks for the help.
07:24<fanto666>unplugging and plugging the keyboard used to fix that iirc
07:25<dtw>fanto666, Squeeze: NumLock led off but NumLock feature on. Wheezy: NumLock led on, NumLock feature on.
07:25<fanto666>(or, hittint numlock twice used to fix it)
07:25<Sicelo>i installed squeeze on many machines (including mobile phones), and never got that oppositeness.
07:25<dtw>fanto666, but I already know that you don't have an answer.
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07:27<fanto666>dtw: i even wonder how did you get the behavior, b using numlockx package?
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07:28<dtw>fanto666, it just was and is that way. I don't know the reason and I'm asking here if there's a way to control just the led.
07:29<fanto666>dtw: in X?
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07:35<Sicelo>dtw: there is. did you search?
07:37<jm_>there are tools like tleds or ledmail which blink keyboard leds based on network activity or new mail etc., so something like that should be possible
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07:49<dtw>Sicelo, no, I still haven't found info on how to control just the led.
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08:15<babilen>R_Rios: Wonderful -- Some (most?) of broadcom wireless adaptors are crappy and have suboptimal drivers in Linux. I would refrain from buying them and stay with, say, Intel chipsets
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08:23<SynrG>babilen, R_Rios: sadly, many systems don't advertise which wireless adaptor is included when you make the purchasing decision, so you really have to do your research beforehand. Also, in my experience, sometimes even the same model# of system can contain different wireless chipsets depending on region, date of manufacture, etc.
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08:42<realamd>hello
08:45<realamd>I'm trying to mount this drive automatically and be able to go to that drive by just simply typing /name1, how do i do that?
08:47<abrotman>"this drive" ?
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08:49<doubledutch>realamd: Sounds like you want to mess with /etc/fstab since you want something to always be there?
08:50<realamd>this drive = a drive
08:50<babilen>Or simply use automounting capabilities of most filemanagers/desktop environments
08:51<realamd>soubledutch; i have edited the fstab but im getting "/name1 does not exist"
08:51<babilen>realamd: Which distribution do you use, which desktop environment and what exactly are you trying to achieve? Most automounters that come with modern DEs simply mount removable media to /media/ ... would that be acceptable?
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08:51<babilen>realamd: Why does it have to be /name1 ?
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08:52<babilen>realamd: Wait, is it a removable drive?
08:52<realamd>babilen: no, its a seperate internal drive, I want to use it to just store the data and not use the drive that i have installed the debian on
08:53<realamd>my version is debian 3.2
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08:55<Calinou>you mean debian 7, 3.2 is the kernel
08:55<babilen>realamd: So, what is your entry in your /etc/fstab ? Why do you want to mount it to /name1 and not to a more traditional location such as /srv/data or /mnt/foobar ?
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08:56<babilen>realamd: Can you mount it manually by running "mkdir /mnt/ibetterdontexistalready ; mount /dev/sdXY /mnt/ibetterdontexistalready" ? (replace /dev/sdXY with something like /dev/sdb5 which is the filesystem you want to mount)
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08:59<giovanni>giochi
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09:00<realamd>babilen: ok let me explain myself a little better. I have a partition that is 16GB for the system files, i have another partition (/dev/sdb) which is 100GB. I want to save the data on /dev/sdb. What I have done is added this line to fstab (/dev/sdb /data ext3 defaults 0 0) and created a dir in /mnt/ named /data but when i do mount -a, it says that /data does not exists. all i wanna do is make it easy for myself to go
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09:00<babilen>realamd: /dev/sdb is not a partition but a block device (i.e. the harddrive itself) -- you mount filesystems and therefore need something like /dev/sdb1
09:01<realamd>yes, but i partitioned it as just one huge block just to use it for data
09:01<babilen>realamd: And you want to change that to "/dev/sdb1 /mnt/data ext3 defaults 0 0" (assuming /dev/sdb1 is the filesystem/partition in question)
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09:02<babilen>realamd: You would still have *at least* one partition and one filesystem on there. Check the output of, say, "fdisk -l /dev/sdb"
09:03<babilen>realamd: Note that you try to mount it to /data and not to /mnt/data with that fstab entry which means that creating a directory in /mnt doesn't make a difference -- I'd recommend to adapt your fstab entry.
09:03<babilen>realamd: Just try mounting it manually first (e.g. "mnt /dev/sdb1 /mnt/data") and check if that works. After you verified that it does you can add/adapt the fstab entry
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09:05<realamd>ok, let me try that
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09:06<stderr>babilen: s/mnt/mount/
09:07<babilen>oh .. haha, yeah
09:07<babilen>(see original comment above)
09:08<realamd>babilen: I typed "mount /dev/sdb /mnt/data" and i get this message "according to mtab, /dev/sdb is already mounted on /mnt/data" but when i do "cd /data" i get this message "no such file or directory"
09:08<nevyn>right.
09:08<nevyn>that's completely consistant
09:08<stderr>/mnt/data != /data
09:08<R_Rios>babilen, SynrG: Well, my only option is to deal with it, since I'm probably not buying a new laptop anytime soon. The funny (sad) thing is that this laptop (Dell Vostro 1520) is actually a replacement for a Vostro 1400 I had, which had an intel wireless card.
09:08<nevyn>try cd /mnt/data
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09:09<babilen>realamd: It is /dev/sdb1 or a partition. You don't mount block devices (harddisks) themselves but filesystems on them.
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09:09<faisao>Hi... someone can help me with a Math Book question?
09:09<babilen>realamd: So, please run "mount" and show me the output.
09:09<babilen>realamd: (copy it to http://paste.debian.net )
09:09<faisao>*Can someone help me...
09:10<realamd>this is how i mounted it "mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb /mnt/data"
09:10<babilen>realamd: Oh, please include the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" as well -- Also note that /mnt/data and /data are two entirely different directories.
09:10<stderr>faisao: Is Math Book a Debian program?
09:10<realamd>ok
09:11<babilen>realamd: You should have mounted it with something like "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/data" which would allow you to see it in /mnt/data (*not* /data with which this has *nothing* to do)
09:11<faisao>stderr: no. A undergraduated one. I want to learn Math from Zero.
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09:11<babilen>realamd: But please show me the requested output first.
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09:12<stderr>faisao: This is a support channel for Debian. You have to find another channel.
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09:12<faisao>stderr: did you know the help command to find a channel on a IRC?
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09:13<babilen>faisao: "/msg chanserv help list"
09:13<faisao>babilen: Thank you very much!
09:14<babilen>faisao: You might also want to look at irc.freenode.net -- This (#debian) is really not the correct channel (for either IRC help or math support)
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09:14<faisao>Another good Answer! Really thank you!
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09:15<babilen>faisao: fwiw, there is a pretty large ##math (why not ##maths?) channel on irc.freenode.net -- good luck and have a nice day. Ask in #help if you require further help.
09:15<babilen>dpkg: tell faisao -about irc tutorial
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09:17<faisao>I never had so much help in my life from someone through direct access in one IRC. Again for babilen and stderr: Thank you so much!
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09:19<realamd>babilen: it should be there now
09:20<babilen>realamd: on http://paste.debian.net ?
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09:20<babilen>realamd: You would typically mention the resulting URL in this channel -- That way we know which paste you created.
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09:21<realamd>yes, paste.debian.net/8415
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09:23<babilen>ta
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09:24<babilen>realamd: Hmm, does "gdisk -l /dev/sdb" list any partitions?
09:25<babilen>(you might have to isntall that)
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09:25<babilen>realamd: How did you partition that drive (with which tool) and how did you create the ext3 filesystem on it?
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09:27<realamd>i used "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdb"
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09:30<babilen>realamd: Okay .. /dev/sdb is the actual harddrive. You wouldn't want to create a filesystem on that, but on a partition. I would therefore recommend to partition the drive (fdisk /dev/sdb) and create one primary partition that spans the entire drive. You can then create a filesystem with "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1" and mount that filesystem with "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/data"
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09:38<realamd>do I pick primary or extended for partition type?
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09:39<babilen>realamd: primary is fine
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09:39<babilen>(as instructed before)
09:39<SynrG>R_Rios: yeah, that is sad :/
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09:52<tgs3>how is debian on smartphones like android phones? Because google pisses me off with it's evil forcing google account and their shitty cloud
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09:54<babilen>realamd: Does that work better?
09:56<gnugr>tgs3:get linux deploy, install debian and use chroot
09:56<tgs3>gnugr: I mean, linux will be the main os there?
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09:57<gnugr>tgs3:no
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09:59<stderr>tgs3: Linux is a kernel, not an OS. Android uses the Linux kernel.
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10:14<blawiz>why doesnt xlsfonts list common fonts like arial?
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10:24<stderr>blawiz: Some common fonts, like Arial, are non-free... Did you install Arial?
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10:25<stderr>blawiz: You might want to take a look at fonts-liberation.
10:27<blawiz>hmm.. i think i must have it somewhere :P
10:27<blawiz>eg gnumeric or abiword
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10:29<doubledutch> $ fc-list lists available fonts
10:30<blawiz>there they are!
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10:35<realamd>ok, so i did all of that
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10:35<realamd>how can i now cd to /mnt/data by just typing cd /data
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10:42<TK-999>I have a HP dc7800 with an integrated TPM 1.2 chip, which I'd like to use in Debian. The docs I found on the net are quite old, though -- is it still feasible to use the TPM at all?
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10:45<babilen>realamd: So, you managed to mount it to /mnt/data ? Why do you want it to be /data ? You could, for example, create a symlink from /data to /mnt/data or you could mount the partition to /data in the first place ... Note that /data is a non-standard directory.
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10:51<realamd>babilen: symlink should do it, thanks :)
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10:52<babilen>realamd: Why don't you mount it to /data in the first place if that is where you want it?
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10:53<babilen>(not that I would do that, but ...)
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10:55<realamd>babilen: i don't know haha, thats how it was done before and i wanted to replicate and not change things
10:56<babilen>realamd: Just mount it to the directory where you want it and don't use a symlink -- I would personally use be happy with, say, /srv/data or /mnt/data, but it is your system and you can do what you want. (there is nothing inherently wrong with /data)
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10:59<realamd>I think i'll stick with symlink, t should do the job
11:00<realamd>have a good day and thanks for your help
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11:01<babilen>realamd: I don't understand why you think that is a better solution than just mounting the filesystem to *where you want to have it* in the first place.
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11:02<babilen>but meh
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12:02<R_Rios>Hey
12:03<R_Rios>Is it possible to install some package from experimental in wheezy?
12:03<Hydroxide>R_Rios: sometimes. not guaranteed to work and we don't support any breakage here
12:03<R_Rios>In my case, Qt 5
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12:03<Hydroxide>R_Rios: it will break more and more often as experimental and unstable deviate from stable
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12:04<Hydroxide>R_Rios: Qt 5 is especially unlikely to integrate smoothly, unless the Debian QT/KDE team pays extra attention to making it work smoothly, in which case they'll probably provide a different package source for wheezy users, not experimental
12:04<R_Rios>I tried to add the sid and experimental repositories in my sources.list (since qt5 requires a newer libc), but I got some scary messages
12:04<Hydroxide>R_Rios: yes, I wouldn't recommend upgrading for that reason
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12:05<R_Rios>But I was thinking about installing only libc from sid and leaving the rest of the system as-is, not about upgrading
12:06<Hydroxide>R_Rios: it's still going to be a pain to maintain, especially to keep your system secure
12:06<Hydroxide>R_Rios: and weird interactions could exist
12:06<R_Rios>Hm...
12:06<retrospectacus>libc is used by about every program in the system. You will *not* be running wheezy anymore.
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12:06<retrospectacus>you're gonna have a bad time :)
12:07<R_Rios>Btw, why does it require a newer libc? I successfully compiled qt5 from git and I didn't have to update.
12:07<R_Rios>*upgrade
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12:09<R_Rios>So, yeah, I think I'll just use the qt I compiled from git
12:09<R_Rios>Thanks for the info, guys
12:10<R_Rios>Related to that, is the qt-kde repo usable in wheezy?
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12:12<Hydroxide>R_Rios: dunno. my guess as to why it needs a newer libc is simply what it was compiled against - experimental targets unstable
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12:13<Hydroxide>R_Rios: you might be able to ask a few questions in the Debian QT/KDE IRC channel but keep in mind it's mostly focused on the team's work, not on end-user questions. they'll probably be able to tell you if they have a recommended way for you to use qt5 or any team-managed repository on wheezy though
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12:13<Hydroxide>R_Rios: I forget the IRC channel name but see which of #debian-qt-kde or #debian-qt or #debian-kde is properly populated etc
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12:13<retrospectacus>R_Rios: if you're trying that kind of thing, you should just run (upgrade to) sid or at least jessie (and go to #debian-next for support)
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12:16<cgraf>yeah thats the idea. upgrade to sid, if you are a competent developer and need those packages. adding sid and experimental sources to stable, and trying to pin them, just does not work.
12:16<R_Rios>retrospectacus: Not right now. I still don't feel the urgent need to upgrade. That Qt 5 thing is just for an application of my own, nothing very serious.
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12:18<retrospectacus>then I would create a sid vm or debootstrap a chroot for that project
12:18<badri>join
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12:18<cgraf>thast exactly what i was thinking. and then you can cp it to a disk image made with dd, and boot it with qemu to test the Xorg stuff
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12:20<cgraf>or i guess you can point qemu directly at the individual parts as well, that way you dont have to mess with boot loaders and disk images.
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12:25<R_Rios>Just using the qt5 download from qt-project.org or the one compiled by me is easier to me
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12:27<retrospectacus>you can do what you like of course, but we may not be able to support it. We will always recommend using the well-supported methods and repositories
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12:28<R_Rios>That's alright. It's not like my system is going to break because of a local qt installation.
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12:31<R_Rios>But anyway, thanks again for the help
12:32<retrospectacus>sure
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12:57<dmavroid>help pleeease...
12:57<retrospectacus>!ask
12:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:00<dmavroid>i recently installed ubuntu 13.04. everything worked fine since i changed the additional drivers option for my AMD graphic card and i could not see the left program bar and the "main top bar" when i am logging in with my account. the only way i can see the full desktop is when i am logging in with the "Guest account".I also setted the first option for AMD and nothing changed. what is going wrong and what can i do?
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13:01<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc dmavroid
13:01<dpkg>dmavroid: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
13:01<dmavroid>thank you
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13:02<jordan4ibanez>Wow Debian brought this mac back to life, I'm actually thinking of spending my next paycheck on a 9800 Mac Pro so I can relife this into a gaming machine. :D
13:02<jordan4ibanez>This 16mb Rage128 can't even play maryo chronicals lol.
13:03<jordan4ibanez>But it can play pingus, quite well, at least in sdl mode.
13:04<retrospectacus>friends don't let friends buy Mac
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13:04<jordan4ibanez>I didn't buy this mac, I got this G4 from a garbage can. :P
13:04<jordan4ibanez>I didn't think it'd be this usable. :L
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13:09<jordan4ibanez>what repository is minitube in?
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13:10<retrospectacus>,v minitube
13:10<judd>Package: minitube on i386 -- jessie: 2.0-1; sid: 2.0-1
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13:10<jordan4ibanez>Minitube on ppc
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13:11<retrospectacus>,v minitube --arch powerpc
13:11<judd>Package: minitube on powerpc -- jessie: 2.0-1; sid: 2.0-1
13:11<jordan4ibanez>Okay, so I should add the sid repository?
13:11<retrospectacus>,checkbackport minitube --arch powerpc
13:11<judd>Backporting package minitube in sid→wheezy/powerpc: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
13:12<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell jordan4ibanez about ssb
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13:15<jordan4ibanez>Oh wow, you can build from the package manager? That's crazy.
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13:16<jordan4ibanez>So in /etc/apt/sources.list I change WEEZY to SID?
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13:22<retrospectacus>jordan4ibanez: no
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13:25<jordan4ibanez>All I want to do is install minitube, and it says "Available from the "main" source." but when I try to add it, it does nothing.
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13:27<retrospectacus>jordan4ibanez: you need to follow the ssb directions. if you are having trouble, go here http://paste.debian.net and show us what you tried and what happened.
13:27<jordan4ibanez>I can't show you anything because I didn't use the terminal, I used the software center.
13:28<retrospectacus>don't.
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13:33<dmavroid_>can someone sent me link in order to connect to ubuntu help?
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13:33<dmavroid_>plzzzzz
13:33<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc dmavroid_ again
13:33<dpkg>dmavroid_ again: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
13:33<dmavroid_>thank you
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13:35<cgraf>jordan4ibanez: if you dont want to use tools like "apt-cache search "some_string"" you can open up aptitudes UI by typing "aptitude" in a terminal. It is nice for perusing software. Which you could then easily "apt-get install" if you choose. Many things its easier to find them with apt-cache search anyway though, because it searches for the actual string of characters you are interested
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13:35<bbbbbxzxzbbbb>hi
13:36<bbbbbxzxzbbbb>anyone here_
13:36<bbbbbxzxzbbbb>?
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13:36<bbbbbxzxzbbbb>i am a hackor
13:37<daemonkeeper>We know.
13:37<daemonkeeper>Only the best have cool names as you.
13:37<mtn>ha ha
13:37<bbbbbxzxzbbbb>rofl
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13:37<bbbbbxzxzbbbb>its random every time i log on
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13:37<daemonkeeper>Also, of course you are. You found a secr1t h4x0r channel.
13:37<bbbbbxzxzbbbb>good
13:38<bbbbbxzxzbbbb>at least i got spoofed mac and hacked neighbors wpa2 ROFL
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13:38<Maulkin>bbbbbxzxzbbbb: Do you have a Debian support query?
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13:39<gotwig>howdy
13:39<gotwig>where can I blame apt-get devs?
13:39<daemonkeeper>using git blame.
13:39<gotwig>and maybe dpkg devs as well
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13:40<Maulkin>gotwig: What's your actual problem please?
13:40<daemonkeeper>Do you have a real question?
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13:40<gotwig>I have feature requests for apt-get and dpkg .. I am a developer, and already have packaged packages (not upstream, tough)
13:40<daemonkeeper>There is a bug tracker.
13:40<gotwig>I wonder why dpkg uses locks, and why parallel downloadin and installing is not working
13:40<Maulkin>gotwig: "reportbug"
13:41<ompaul>the short answer is database consistency
13:41<gotwig>daemonkeeper, feature requests. I am sure I am not the only guy who asks these questions, but I havent found any discussion platform so far. Any help?
13:41<ompaul>gotwig: file your wishlist
13:41<daemonkeeper>gotwig: Parallel downloading is one thing, parallel installation is a different level of complexity entirely.
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13:41<gotwig>daemonkeeper, paralllel downloading is easier, I know...
13:42<gotwig>daemonkeeper, where can I ask that, or do you got any info for me. I dont think anyone can think about these "bugs" as bugs, because apt-get works, like it i
13:42<gotwig>s
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13:42<ompaul>gotwig: the tool for interacting with devs is the bug reporting tool
13:42<Maulkin>gotwig: file a bug, at wishlist severity.
13:43<cgraf>youd be surprised what some people consider a bug. it can be another way of framing your desires.
13:43<ompaul>http://bugs.debian.org/Bugs/
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13:44<gotwig>where do you think these bugs should go
13:44<gotwig>dpkg or apt-get
13:44<dpkg>apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the original frontend for <apt>, but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages. See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9
13:44<gotwig>I am sure these bugs are already open
13:44<gotwig>I just cant find them
13:44<gotwig>its so a general problem
13:44<sney>if you're complaining about downloading, then apt; if you're complaining about installing, then dpkg. or just file one of each.
13:44<sney>wishlist bugs don't ruin anyone's day
13:44<gotwig>why aptitude
13:45<sney>you triggered the bot by saying 'dpkg' first on a line, if you want to know why aptitude, you can /msg dpkg why aptitude
13:46<cgraf>present some solutions for resolving dependencies, that apt does not, and has a user interface, so it replaces the need for a graphical software center as well to some extent.
13:46<cgraf>aptitude ^
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13:47<cgraf>it can sometimes fix an otherwise complicated dependency scenario, simply by using it instead of apt-get
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13:52<jordan4ibanez>Well then, Minecraft runs on ppc, but it's super laggy with this video card.
13:52<jordan4ibanez>I wonder if minetest-unstable/daily can be built.
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13:54<jordan4ibanez>Ohai, PilzAdam
13:55<PilzAdam>hey jordan
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13:56<jordan4ibanez>Does minetest need a ppc linux build, PilzAdam?
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13:57<PilzAdam>jordan4ibanez, dunno...
13:57<sney>this is not a minecraft support channel. if you're having speed issues with minecraft, it's most likely a java thing, or you need more memory. for more technical questions, ask the minecraft people.
13:57<PilzAdam>sney, read again what jordan4ibanez said...
13:59<sney>I sure as hell did, PilzAdam
13:59<sney>you missed his first 2 lines because he said them before you joined.
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13:59<PilzAdam>oh, sorry
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14:00<jordan4ibanez>I was stating that it was laggy because I am using an ati rage128, I did not ask for help.
14:00<jordan4ibanez>But thank you for reminding me.
14:01<sney>this is a support channel. do you have a debian question?
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14:01<jordan4ibanez>Yes, how do I package and install a compiled program?
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14:02<sney>!tell jordan4ibanez about nmg
14:02<sney>the bot sent you a message with the official document. if your compiled program doesn't use the standard configure/make setup, you may need to mess with it a bit. #debian-mentors is a good place for packaging questions.
14:03<cgraf>jordan4ibanez: some tarballs if you get them, you dont have to install it. You can just run its executable and and fill any dependencies that show up in the resulting error messages.
14:04<jordan4ibanez>Thank you.
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14:10<ImageJPEG>when will debian 7 be upgradable? i'm currently using 6 still because of a grub issue
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14:29<majlo_>Hi Guys, I'm trying to rebuild linux-3.9, but when I'm doing apt-get source linux it downloads 3.10-rc4
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14:29<majlo_>Is it possible to download 3.9 in this way ?
14:30<majlo_>I tried apt-get source linux-source-3.9 but it still fetch 3.10-rc4
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14:31<TK-999>majlo_: Experimental?
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14:31<majlo_>yes
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14:33<majlo_>TK-999: Ok, works in this way apt-get -t unstable source linux-source-3.9
14:33<majlo_>I thought it's still in experimental
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16:02<bluelight>hello
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16:03<slade>wazza!!!
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16:03<slade> some one who could help me with my dead microwave xD
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16:35<xerakko>hi
16:36<retrospectacus>xerakko: hi!
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16:36<xerakko>After executing fai-chboot -Ifv 192.168.x.x
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16:36<xerakko>it generates the file /srv/fai/config/xxxxxx
16:37<xerakko>but when i boot from client it shows boot:
16:37<xerakko>but it doesn't find the kernel.
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16:38<xerakko>Where must I put the kernel for it to boot? or Where could I fix the path for it?
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16:42<retrospectacus>you might want to ask in #fai about that
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16:49<xerakko>upsss
16:49<xerakko>sorry
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17:03<pavi>I have Realtek BarossaPlusPlus card reader in my HP envy 4 . I had to manually install the drivers to find out that my card reader could work . I followed the instructions at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-922794-start-0.html
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17:04<pavi>There was no mention of any debian based solution . where do I put it ? In debian wiki ?
17:04<ompaul>pavi: thats a good place
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17:05<pavi>ompaul: thanks would do that , but since its manual installation I am not sure if it would fit the debian wiki or not
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17:07<ompaul>pavi: some info better than no info
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17:08<pavi>ompaul: ok . Just now checked http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI maybe I should linkup there
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17:09<ompaul>write it up and see what you think about it while writing
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17:16<Rubidium>hi, the buildd log scanner page of openttd ( https://buildd.debian.org/~brlink/packages/o/openttd.html ) shows a warning for the current buildd logs. However, as far as I am aware this issue was in 1.3.0-1 but was solved in the just new version 1.3.1-1; the dates of the log imply it has checked 1.3.1-1
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17:17<Rubidium>when checking 1.3.0-1 and 1.3.1-1's logs with blhc I see that one error in the former, but not in the latter. Is there some sort of weird delay? Or rather, is it mentioning the 'current' log files even though it might not have ran the log checker on that?
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17:21<Rubidium>and if the web page is correct, how can I figure out what line of the log the build log scanner web page is complaining about when blhc does not tell that?
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17:23<Rubidium>(this all in sid's blhc 0.04+20130528+git4769334-1)
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17:27<azyr>how do i make apt-get or aptitude propose some fix for unmet dependencies?
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17:28<mrjemp>whats up?
17:28<devil>azyr: apt can't, aptitude should by default, if there is a solution
17:29<azyr>devil: yea aptitude is already giving me some solutions, although quite insane, like remove half of packages from computer :)
17:29<azyr>but that is what i was looking for
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17:30<azyr>it offers much better solutions as well
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17:33<devil>sometimes
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17:36<Dark_light>I can't disable dpms on kde even if I disable powermanagement it still blanks the screen after 10-15 minutes
17:37<pavi>Hi I created the page http://wiki.debian.org/Realtek%20Barossa%20plus feel free to edit .
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17:46<gnugr>Dark_Light:with "xset dpms force off" you can switch it off i guess
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17:47<Dark_light>gnugr: I'll try it next time
17:47<gnugr>Dark_Liight:unless you use a xorg.conf for dpms
17:47<Dark_light>nope
17:48<Dark_light>the weird thing is that it happens even when video is playing
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18:16<nmschulte>Okay, so I think I've figured out the debian install from USB not detecting USB storage issue; there are no USB drivers loaded.
18:17<nmschulte>I started manually loading them, but ehci-pci is not available, and I think I need it.
18:17<nmschulte>s/drivers/modules/ ...
18:17<nmschulte>I found this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702250
18:17<nmschulte>but it seems closed, and I have tried weekly and daily builds of d-i, so it's either a regression, or something else.
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18:33<TypoCat>Is this the correct channel for debian support?
18:34<retrospectacus>TypoCat: yes.
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18:36<TypoCat>ty, retrospectacus. I've installed Debian 7.0.0 (no x) and have added only one terminal emulator (mrxvt-mini) and one file manager (mc)...
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18:37<TypoCat>...my issue is that unless I initiate mc with the <-a> flag, I'll get weird characters instead of ascii lines
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18:39<TypoCat>specifically, what should be displayed as a dash looks like a lower-case <a> with a caret over it, followed by 2 dashed, vertical rectangles
18:41<retrospectacus>I would guess that you need to set up your locale(s)
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18:42<TypoCat>I was thinking it was related to language/font issues of some kind, but I'm not sure how to troubleshoot...
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18:45<retrospectacus>TypoCat: what's in /etc/default/locale ?
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18:47<TypoCat>Two lines 1) LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" 2) LANGUAGE="en_CA:en"
18:47<TypoCat>note: # File generated by update-locale
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18:58<retrospectacus>TypoCat: I managed to reproduce your problem by changing the "character encoding" in my terminal (gnome-terminal) from UTF-8 to ISO-8859-1
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18:59<retrospectacus>so I'd say it's a mismatch between your LANG and terminal encoding setting
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19:02<TypoCat>sweet!
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20:05<Chav>Hey. There are some quite strong exhortations in the Debian docs about pinning not being for novices. I'm a novice & using Wheezy, and I'd like to pin Transmission from testing. How problematic is that likely to be?
20:07<Infiltrator>Chav: Why do you need the one from testing, though? Have you checked backports first?
20:07<Chav>Infiltrator: Ah, I don't know what backports is. Let me read what it says in the wiki.
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20:07<themill>,checkbackport transmission
20:08<judd>Backporting package transmission in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
20:08<mbentley>transmission isn't available in wheezy-backports
20:08<Chav>mbentley: Ok, so I have to pin then?
20:09<mbentley>Chav: that is what I would do.
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20:09<Chav>That brings me back to my first question then. Am I just looking at hours of headaches?
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20:09<mbentley>Chav: i would say no.
20:10<mbentley>Chav: you just need to understand exactly what pinning is about and how it works. pinning provides a priority to packages when you have a mixed sources.list
20:10<themill>Chav: Don't pin. Don't mix releases. Just recompile that version of transmission for wheezy.
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20:11<mbentley>normally i would say to not mix releases but when you're talking about not pulling in dependencies, it makes the risk fairly minimal, IMO
20:11<themill>mbentley: have you verified that it's possible to do so without pulling a pile of dependencies?
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20:12<retrospectacus>I just checked and no, it would pull in a new libc6 among other libraries
20:13<mbentley>themill: sorry, i misunderstood the information judd provided. it does pull in some other packages
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20:13*Infiltrator slinks into the corner
20:13<themill>retrospectacus: indeed (although interestingly that differs between architectures)
20:14<Chav>I'm not the most competent at compiling from source either. :s That for me is headache land for sure, normally.
20:14<mbentley>i would tend to agree Chav
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20:15<retrospectacus>it's just two apt-get commands
20:15<Chav>retrospectacus: lol, i don't trust statements to do with Linux that begin, "It's just…" ;)
20:17<retrospectacus>gotta go! /msg dpkg ssb if you want to try it
20:17<Infiltrator>Chav: So, why do you need the version from testing, anyway?
20:18<Chav>Infiltrator: There appear to be two glitches in the webGUI for the current version. One is a recognised bug from that version, and the other is just weird behaviour that seems bug-like.
20:18<Chav>Otherwise, I'll admit, it'd be fine.
20:19<mbentley>Chav: i know what you are talking about in the first version as i noticed that too and checked for a bug report on it.
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20:19<Chav>mbentley: the missing arrows?
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20:21<mbentley>Chav: i see ↑ quite frequently in the web ui
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20:21<Chav>mbentley: yeah, that's the one.
20:21<Chav>↓ too.
20:21<mbentley>ah yes
20:22<Chav>The other bug-like behaviour is that pressing the Info button causes the webGUI to need about 800 pixels width to display properly. It was fine in Squeeze.
20:24<mbentley>i have to figure that will get fixed at some point in the near future
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20:24<themill>Is there a bug in the bts? Any chance of attaching a tiny patch that fixes it?
20:25<Chav>Oh, you mean in an update to Wheezy?
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20:25<Chav>That was to mbentley.
20:25<themill>it's possible but unlikely unless the patch is very small and obviously isn't going to cause problems
20:25<Chav>I'm still new to Debian, so I'm not sure how frequently things like this are fixed.
20:26<mbentley>they already have a fix as it is fixed in a newer version. it would need to be backported
20:27<mbentley>Chav: that can all depend on the package and severity. honestly i am surprised that they didn't catch that but it could be they hit the freeze and couldn't make the changes. total speculation though.
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20:28<Chav>mbentley: I hear you.
20:28<Chav>So, it's either: pin; wait for a backport; compile from source; live with it ;)
20:29<Infiltrator>Chav: Do you have the bug ids?
20:29<mbentley>personally i've chosen to live with it Chav :)
20:30<mbentley>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684687
20:31<Chav>mbentley: do you experience the excessive width issue I described? Maybe it's just me.
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20:32<Infiltrator>There's been a bug for it since 25/09/13. :\
20:32<Infiltrator>When was the freeze? Surely it was after that?
20:32<mbentley>well the bug has been fixed in newer versions
20:32<themill>that's 3 months in the future...
20:32<Chav>Infiltrator: They submitted the bug from the future!!!! Neato!
20:32<mbentley>Chav: you mean like this >> http://www.mbentley.net/temp/30_days/20130604_203241_trans.png
20:32<mbentley>where the info pane is huge?
20:33<Infiltrator>Bah
20:33<Infiltrator>s/13/12/
20:33<Chav>mbentley: Yeah. unless you increase the width of the window, you can't see the transfers, and the info window is truncated.
20:33<Chav>That looks like it.
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20:36<Chav>Ok, I'm going to… live with it. Decision made.
20:37<Infiltrator>Chav: If you've got free time, I'd reccomend pulling the source, applying the patches, and building it, if for nothing else but the experience.
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20:38<Chav>Infiltrator: I've got the time, but, frankly, not the temperament. But maybe one day… :)
20:38<Infiltrator>Fair enough.
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21:06<Darkstar477>Ok so I want to make debian a home server any thoughts?
21:07<sney>good choice, ask us if you need help with anything specific
21:07<Chav>Darkstar477: works well for me.
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21:12<Chav>What do I add to my mount command to specify a specific owner and group for the resulting mount? I'm mounting a LUKS-encrypted volume.
21:13<sney>I think it's uid=user,gid=group
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21:13<sney>that's how it would be in fstab anyway
21:14<Chav>Ok, so mount -o uid=blah should work?
21:14<sney>yeah should
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21:15<Infiltrator>Chav: You can always double check `man mount`. ;)
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21:16<Darkstar477>Thanks I will deploy in a week or so. I have been using debian off and on for years. Just getting back in to it.
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21:17<Darkstar477>And thanks sney
21:18<sney>np
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21:18<Darkstar477>I will be setting up a xeon server with mapped drives over the network
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21:20<Chav>Infiltrator: ext3 doesn't seem to have a uid/gid option :/ It's not listed in FSTAB, though it is for other FSs.
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21:21<Chav>s/FSTAB/mount
21:21<luxppc>ok whoever is still working on the PPC port .. THANKS ;)
21:22<sney>doesn't luks use some kind of dummy fstype for the initial mount
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21:23<Chav>sney: I don't know. I'm running almost purely on walkthroughs…
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21:37<Chav>Ok, so ext3 doesn't allow specifying a uid/gid owner during mount. I can still re-format this encrypted device. What filesystem is recommended instead?
21:37<Infiltrator>Chav: Why do you care so much about the owner to go to this much trouble?
21:38<Chav>Infiltrator: because it's getting mounted for the specific use of just one user. Seems best to mount it owned by that user, instead of chmoding.
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21:44<devtrash>I'm not having any luck getting my SDHC cards mounted.
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21:45<witth>anybody good with networking issues?
21:46<mbentley>!ask
21:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:47<witth>I start an rsync transfer between two of my computers and the connections starts about 110-120MB/s and drops off after 10-20seconds then gets back up to ~50MB/s
21:47<devtrash>thi sis the last lines in tail /var/log/message: http://paste.debian.net/8534/
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21:47<witth>but it used to consistently go at 100
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21:48<witth>what is the cause for a sudden drop out like that?
21:48<witth>TCP packet loss? then it is self correcting?
21:50<witth>I am transferring between Debian Wheezy w/ kernel 3.9.4 and a mac hackintosh, same lan, and it used to be able to transfer at 100MB/s before I reformatted both computers but I have no idea what I did
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21:52<Infiltrator>devtrash: What about when you try to mount it? What does it do/say then?
21:53<devtrash>Infiltrator, it can't find that device. a blkid doesn't show the device either
21:53<devtrash>Infiltrator, all three SD cards same result. and then if I try those cards in my laptop, they mount a-ok. and they workd great in my GoPro camera too
21:54<Infiltrator>devtrash: And I take it that /dev/sdd doesn't exist either?
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21:55<devtrash>Infiltrator, How would I find out?
21:56<Infiltrator>devtrash: ls /dev/sdd
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21:56<devtrash>Infiltrator, odd, I just did a cat /dev/sdd, crap load of stuff on the screen, and then I did a mount -a and that card is now mounted
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21:57<Infiltrator>It's typically a good idea to not cat drives. ;)
21:58<devtrash>Infiltrator, yes. but why does it now mount?
21:59<Infiltrator>I would say that it mounts because it should. ;)
21:59<Infiltrator>As for why it didn't before, we can't know without more info.
21:59<devtrash>Infiltrator, data point the cards all mounted okay before I upgraded to Wheezy
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21:59<kveroneau>Chav: If only a single user is going to use the encrypted volume, then after you mount it for the first time, use chown with the user's uid and gid, then so a single chmod to not allow others access to it. Add the mount to fstab, and the user can just use mount without any issues.
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22:00<kveroneau>Chav: If you have the user's umask set correctly, all directories and files created on the encrpyted volume will then be set to the correct permissions automatically, problem solved.
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22:01<Chav>kveroneau: let me mull on that while I finish this thing…
22:02<Infiltrator>devtrash: The next time it fails to mount, take note of error messages, the log, and the existence or otherwise of the /dev/sd* device.
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22:03<devtrash>Infiltrator, what I posted is all the error I get.
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