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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-06-09

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00:23<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i'm trying to reinstall grub using the following command: sudo grub-install /dev/sda....but i get the following error: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!., /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
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00:32<bcl>hi every one ! I wish to install debian on a usb stick, what size of usb would you advise ?
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00:36<bullgard4>bcl: Do you expect to use it together with a working Internet connection?
00:36<SamB>bullgard4: he said he wanted to INSTALL on the stick
00:37<SamB>not use the stick to install
00:37<XReaper>Ha
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00:37<bcl>Yes, SamB is right, i want to install it on the stick
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00:38<XReaper>8-16GB maybe?
00:39<XReaper>You'll probably want to disable stuff that makes lots of writes, to
00:39<XReaper>o
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00:39<dsychov>8GB I think
00:39<bcl>OK
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00:40<bullgard4>bcl: The very minimum size is calculated in http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/10/msg02095.html. Anything larger is more convenient to you.
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00:40<bcl>thank you
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00:42<bcl>bullgard4: haha, I can't acces the web site, I'm in china and they blocks lots of internet pages
00:42<XReaper>heh
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00:43<XReaper>bcl: you can fit it on a 2GB usb stick
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00:43<XReaper>...but don't do it :P
00:44<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i'm trying to reinstall grub using the following command: sudo grub-install /dev/sda....but i get the following error: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!., /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
00:44<bcl>Ok, I think I will have a first try on a 8gB, because I have one there, and if it works well, maybe I will do it on a bigger stick if I need to.
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01:04<jack>everybody toodals
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01:05<jack>hi alam
01:07<jack>julian how are u
01:15<bullgard4>What is a "XKB map"? See for exmple https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XKB. XKB is an acrony for "X keyboard extension".
01:16<bullgard4>+m
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02:23<Ronjoe>Hi, having a strange nemo/nautilus issue i can't seem to wrap my head around, hoping someone here could help
02:23<Ronjoe>i have a .jar file I want to double-click to open
02:24<Ronjoe>it's properly marked +x, and i have java7 installed from oracle
02:24<Ronjoe>i can right click, open with> Java Runtime
02:25<Ronjoe>but if i open either the "choose default program" or "open with other application"
02:25<Ronjoe>this option is nowhere to be found
02:25<Ronjoe>now, i know that there's a file association here that i can change manually, i just don't know where to find this
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02:26<Ronjoe>maybe i should have asked first, is this a support channel or a dev channel?
02:27<stderr_dk>Support.
02:27<Ronjoe>aight, goot to know
02:27<wardhan> how do i change default window size on luakit. i have provided auto as an options in global.lua. i want to resize to my screen size automatically.
02:28<stderr_dk>Ronjoe: Unfortunately I don't use Nautilus, so I can't help you.
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02:29<stderr_dk>Ronjoe: Have you checked ~/.config and ~/.nautilus ?
02:29<Ronjoe>no, but that would be really logical
02:30<stderr_dk>Maybe one of the thousand .gconf* dirs too...
02:30<dsychov>Ronjoe: You can select default program to open such files in right click on file -> properties -> open with
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02:30<dsychov>Ronjoe: as far as I know
02:30<Ronjoe>yes, dsychov, this is what i refer to by "choose default program" dialogue
02:30<Ronjoe>did not list java runtime
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02:31<stderr_dk>Can't you type it in yourself?
02:31<Ronjoe>nope
02:32<dsychov>Ronjoe: maybe you need to create .desktop file somewhere (dont know exactly)...
02:32<stderr_dk>Ronjoe: If you can't find the config file, maybe something like find ~/.??* -type f -exec grep -l jar {} + can help...
02:33<stderr_dk>Or maybe just grep -rl jar ~/.??*
02:34<Ronjoe>i think i'll go the .desktop route
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02:35<Ronjoe>thanks, that suggestion got me a little closer to figuring it out myself
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02:48<laculebra>Hola
02:49<laculebra>Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied
02:50<laculebra>No puedo meterme en la cuenta de usuario y eso desde que meti atube cache downloader
02:50<stderr_dk>In English, please...
02:50<laculebra>stderr_dk
02:51<stderr_dk>Yes?
02:51<laculebra>have problems to enter in my acount
02:51<laculebra>Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied
02:51<dsychov>check permissions on /bin/bash
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02:52<laculebra>bash: check: no se encontró la orden
02:52<stderr_dk>ls -l /bin/bash
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02:53<dsychov>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1012048 Mar 30 16:28 /bin/bash
02:53<dsychov>my permissions for example
02:53<laculebra>-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 811156 abr 10 2010 bash
02:54<laculebra>chmod -rwxr-xr-x bash
02:54<Zaba>laculebra, lsattr /bin/bash
02:54<laculebra>chmod: bash: new permissions are ----w--w-, not ---------
02:54<laculebra>Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied
02:54<stderr_dk>Oh, dear...
02:55<laculebra>------------------- /bin/bash
02:55<laculebra>Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied
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02:57<stderr_dk>If he gets back, I'm pretty sure he's running Squeeze... Maybe it's time for a clean install of Wheezy.
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02:59<Zaba>I'd still like to see lsattr, because that looked fishy (but also like something he'd do by accident while trying to fix the symptoms)
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03:01<stderr_dk>With those permissions (rwxrwxrwx) bash should be able to run, so I bet something else is messed up as well.
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03:01<stderr_dk>It's probably easier to do a fresh install than to figure out all the stuff that's broken.
03:02<stderr_dk>But it doesn't look like he's coming back.
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03:12<wolfez>Hello\
03:12<Supaplex>sup
03:13<wolfez>Goog. You?
03:13<dsychov>whois dsychov
03:13<dsychov>oops
03:13<Supaplex>dsychov is dsychov
03:13<dsychov>%-)
03:15<wolfez>Debian is a much nicer and better than ubuntu!
03:15<Supaplex>welcome to the real Debian. 8)
03:15<Supaplex>stderr_dk: so tempted to /nick stdnoerr :>
03:16<stderr_dk>:-)
03:17<wolfez>pfff
03:17<wolfez>Where can i find qt
03:17<dsychov>??
03:17<stderr_dk>Seems "stderr" was in use when I joined. It isn't now so...
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03:18<stderr>wolfez: apt-cache search qt <- Right there.
03:18<Supaplex>or search libqt
03:19<stderr>Yeah, that would probably make more sense. :-)
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03:19<dsychov>or google qt for even more sense
03:20<wolfez>[sudo] password for wolfez:
03:20<wolfez>wolfez is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
03:20<wolfez>How to edit this?
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03:20<stderr>If he wants a debian package, it would make more sense to ask his debian system than to ask google.
03:20<Supaplex>visudo
03:20<dsychov>as root type visudo
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03:21<wolfez>So i need to log in as root with the password i created during he install
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03:21<dsychov>or type su
03:21<stderr>If your root-account has a password, you don't need sudo.
03:21<Supaplex>yes, but in a shell you could just "su" to jump to root.
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03:23<wolfez>Oke, i used the commend: apt-cache search qt And then i get a long list! I just want the qt 5 creator
03:23<dsychov>package named qtcreator
03:23<stderr>wolfez: apt-cache search qt creator
03:24<stderr>I don't think that's qt _5_ creator...
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03:25<dsychov>stderr: What is it in your opinion?
03:25<stderr>Well, it says "Version: 2.5.0-2"...
03:26<stderr>And it mentions "qt4" a lot...
03:26<stderr>But I don't see any 5s.
03:26<wolfez>No big problem!
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03:33<wolfez>stderr, It worksw!
03:33<stderr>Good...
03:34<wolfez>stderr, 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20130504-14:44'
03:34<wolfez>in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
03:34<wolfez>Media change: please insert the disc labeled
03:34<wolfez> 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20130504-14:44'
03:34<wolfez>in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
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03:34<stderr>!paste
03:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
03:35<wolfez>stderr, Im trying to install g++?
03:36<stderr>I don't know... Are you?
03:36<wolfez>stderr, What means that error?
03:37<stderr>What error? If it's long, put it on paste.debian.net.
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03:37<wolfez>stderr, http://paste.debian.net/9301/
03:38<stderr>I don't see any errors...
03:39<wolfez>It doesnt install
03:39<wolfez>brb reboot
03:39<stderr>Why?!
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03:43<stderr>_wolfez_: You're using Debian, not Windows...
03:43<_wolfez_>How do i ste me in the wolfez is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
03:43<_wolfez_>I know
03:43<stderr>Well, you rebooted...
03:43<_wolfez_>stderr, Its a long time back i used windows
03:44<_wolfez_>stderr, I taught maybe it help
03:44<_wolfez_>But how d i set my self in the sudoers file?
03:44<stderr>Well, as I said, you're not using Windows. :-)
03:44<stderr>[09:20:31] <dsychov> as root type visudo
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03:46<_wolfez_>http://pastebin.com/p72FPQEL im seing this
03:46<_wolfez_>What do i ned to do now
03:47<stderr>I don't use sudo... Anyone?
03:47<_wolfez_> me
03:47<stderr>Anyone else?
03:48<stderr>Unless you want to answer your own questions about sudo?
03:48<_wolfez_>stderr, What are you using?
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03:48<stderr>su
03:48<_wolfez_>but thats make`s your root, so you can get the same problems like windows
03:49<stderr>I only use su when I need to be root. I'm not an idiot...
03:49<_wolfez_>stderr, Thats why i use sudo
03:49<_wolfez_>But i will try to work whit su
03:50<bullgard4>Debian wheezy does not echo a tilde when I press 'AltGr++' twice in a uxterm or Xfce terminal. Similarly, when pressing the ^ key twice. If I press in a virtual terminal '^^ ' , a '^' will be echoet though. Entering these key combinations in Chatzilla's command line will echo theses characters . How to fix that?
03:50<Supaplex>sudo is fine, just visudo and add yourself.
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03:50<stderr>_wolfez_: When you're done being root, just log out of the root account.
03:50<_wolfez_>Supaplex, I dont know what i need to do
03:50<Supaplex>just be wary of running anything as root unless you really need to. least privlidge protects bad things from happening.
03:50<stderr>Supaplex: Would it be enough to add himself to the "sudo"-group?
03:51<stderr>Line 12-13 in his config seems to suggest that.
03:51<Supaplex>maybe. I just visudo and add myself and i'm done.
03:51<Supaplex>i'd make a youtube of it but I'm busy testing a dvb usb adapter
03:52<_wolfez_>Why im getting this if i want to install g++ http://pastebin.com/STgf93f5
03:53<stderr>Because aptitude wants you to insert the CD...
03:53<_wolfez_>Witch cd?
03:54<stderr>If you only want to use online-mirror, remove the CD-line from /etc/apt/sources.list and run an aptitude update
03:54<stderr>CD 1 it seems...
03:54<_wolfez_>I used a isn
03:54<_wolfez_>usb
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03:54<babilen>_wolfez_: Use a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/9304/ if you are connected to the internet and want to use online repositories. Run "apt-get update" to download package lists from the mirrors.
03:56<babilen>_wolfez_: btw, that meta-mirror will select the "best" mirror for you automagically. See http://http.debian.net for further details and read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html and "man 5 sources.list" for further details.
03:56<babilen>_wolfez_: Your system was configured in offline mode because you weren't connected to the internet during the installation for one reason or another
03:58<_wolfez_>so u need to open sources.list?
03:58<babilen>_wolfez_: I have you no idea what "u" has to do, but I would recommend to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect the content I pasted.
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03:59<stderr>I would like to see the content before you edit it...
03:59<babilen>fair enough :)
03:59<stderr>I would be surprised if the online mirrors ain't there already.
04:00<_wolfez_>http://pastebin.com/1AFzJ9h3
04:00<babilen>Well, lets see. _wolfez_ could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net please?
04:00<babilen>agh, so close ...
04:01<stderr>As I expected.
04:01<_wolfez_>?
04:01<babilen>_wolfez_: Should have never get output like that from an updated Debian system.
04:01<_wolfez_>babilen, Whats the problerm?
04:02<stderr>_wolfez_: You added a # before you pasted it, right?
04:02<babilen>Well, what I mean is apt-get/aptitude would have never asked for a CD as that entry is commented. Either way, run "apt-get update" and be done with it or switch to the sources.list I pasted which uses the meta-mirror and contains backports too
04:02<_wolfez_>No
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04:02<stderr>backports AND contrib AND non-free...
04:02<_wolfez_>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
04:02<babilen>Ah, the list I pasted also enabled contrib and non-free
04:03<babilen>_wolfez_: Is it?
04:03<_wolfez_>No other proces is using it
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04:03<stderr>Not root?
04:03<babilen>_wolfez_: Do you have another apt-get/aptitude process running? (anywhere that is)
04:03<_wolfez_>Root is on yess?
04:03<_wolfez_>No
04:03<stderr>Is the aptitude install g++ still waiting for the CD?
04:03<stderr>Ctrl-C
04:04<_wolfez_>I dont know, i closed that window
04:04<kirankumar>how to install opera browser for ubuntu 12.10
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04:04<stderr>!ubuntu
04:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
04:04<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc kirankumar
04:04<_wolfez_>kimpalajn, G to ubuntu chanel
04:05<kirankumar>how
04:05<stderr>_wolfez_: Ah, you were root in that window. Are you sure you're root in the other window?
04:05<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc kirankumar
04:05<dpkg>kirankumar: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
04:05<kirankumar>sorry freinds
04:05<babilen>np
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04:06<stderr>_wolfez_: ps -Af | grep apt
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04:06<babilen>_wolfez_: Don't just close windows like that -- A process might still be running.
04:06<_wolfez_>Do i need to reboot?
04:06<stderr>NO!
04:06<stderr>You're still not running Windows!
04:06<babilen>Just run the comand stderr mentioned and show us the output (paste multiple lines to http://paste.debian.net if there are many)
04:06<_wolfez_>root 3804 3802 58 09:51 ? 00:08:54 apt-get install g++ yep its still running :(
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04:07<stderr>kill 3804
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04:07<_wolfez_>done
04:07<babilen>_wolfez_: Ok, now run "apt-get update" and see that it works :)
04:07<stderr>Yeah, I'm too lazy to check if 3804 had any children...
04:08<_wolfez_>babilen, done
04:08<_wolfez_>it works
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04:08<stderr>aptitude install g++
04:08<babilen>_wolfez_: Don't just close windows - The process was still running as your *user's* process can't kill a root process when you closes the terminal window like that.
04:08<_wolfez_>http://pastebin.com/GAquPi5a
04:09<stderr>"And there was much rejoicing..."
04:10<_wolfez_>Thanks!
04:10<_wolfez_>Its done!
04:10<babilen>_wolfez_: You seem to have installed Debian just recently ... I would recommend to install suitable microcode for your processor to unsure that the CPU is working without bugs. Enable contrib and non-free in your sources.list for that and install intel-microcode or amd64-microcode for Intel and AMD processors respectively.
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04:11<babilen>And please use a pastebin that is not pastebin.com in the future if you want to do us a favour ( http://paste.debian.net http://paste.ubuntu.com http://refheap.com are all good choices)
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04:11<_wolfez_>babilen, Why not pastebin.net?
04:11<_wolfez_>Thats works perfect to me
04:12*stderr doesn't like ads...
04:12<Calinou>suddenly: adblock
04:12<_wolfez_>Im not seeing ads...
04:12<_wolfez_>stderr, addblock plus maybe?
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04:13<babilen>dpkg: pastebin.com
04:13<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
04:13<babilen>_wolfez_: That are some of the reasons ^^^
04:13<stderr>_wolfez_: Or simply use a paste without ads... A lot easier for everyone.
04:13<babilen>_wolfez_: the other alternatives are much better - pastebin.com simply makes money off people who google "pastebin" when asked to "paste" or "pastebin" something.
04:14<_wolfez_>I``m only seeing chapta if the title is ? or h enz its loading fast, its looking nice!
04:14<_wolfez_>No ads
04:14<_wolfez_>ubtuntu past and debian past arent looking nice to me!
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04:15<Calinou>ubuntu pastebin is much cleaner on the eyes than pastebin.comm
04:15<Calinou>-m
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04:15<_wolfez_>Calinou, I cant login on ubuntu, so i dont see my pastes
04:16<babilen>Either way, lets move on :)
04:16<_wolfez_>Good idea
04:16<babilen>_wolfez_: Did you install the microcode?
04:16<_wolfez_>babilen, No
04:16<_wolfez_>babilen, E: Unable to locate package intel-microcode
04:16<babilen>I would recommend to - Is there anything else we can help you with?
04:17<stderr>"Enable contrib and non-free in your sources.list for that..."
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04:17<stderr>Are both needed?
04:17<_wolfez_>Yess, You said me i dont have the firmware if i use cd1, how do i need to install that?
04:17<babilen>_wolfez_: As I said, you have to enable contrib and non-free in your sources.list and then run "apt-get update" again. You currently have only main enabled which contains only DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) free software. Microcode is, unfortunately, non-free and can't therefore be in main.
04:18<_wolfez_>Do i need to pay for it?
04:18<dsychov>NO!
04:18<Calinou>non-free means "closed source", not "paid"
04:18<stderr>Yes! Payment: You have to use paste.debian.net instead of pastebin.com :-)
04:19<babilen>_wolfez_: No, not at all. "free" in this sense has nothing to do with "no cost", but refers to your freedom as a user. It is "free as in speech, not free as in beer" -- See http://www.debian.org/social_contract for details on what we mean by that.
04:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 591] by debhelper
04:20<_wolfez_>Oh it isnt open source?
04:20<Calinou>no it isn't
04:20<Calinou>if it was "paid" after all, how do you think other distros would be able to use it for free :P
04:21<_wolfez_>For this time: http://paste.debian.net/9305/
04:21<stderr>W is for warning...
04:21<_wolfez_>I understand
04:21<_wolfez_>But what do i need to do
04:22<stderr>apt-cache search realtek firmware
04:22<Calinou>that's network firmware probably
04:22<Calinou>how come you're here if you don't have working ethernet support? ._.
04:22<stderr>Wireless?
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04:23<babilen>_wolfez_: You seem to have a ethernet card that *might* require firmware to function properly. The warning means that the module (r8169) requires firmware (from the firmware-realtek) to work without problems or allow you to use all its features.
04:23<_wolfez_>flashrom - Identify, read, write, erase, and verify BIOS/ROM/flash chips firmware-realtek - Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network adapters
04:23<stderr>Or it's firmware to change MTU, 10 vs. 100 Mbit and stuff like that.
04:23<stderr>_wolfez_: "firmware-realtek" is what you're looking for, if you want the firmware.
04:24<_wolfez_>stderr, What do i need to do?
04:24<Supaplex>i use to recall a command for the shell that would shut syslog on the screen up. 80211 messages are flooding my screen.
04:24<stderr>Install it... aptitude install firmware-realtek
04:24<_wolfez_>Oke
04:25<_wolfez_>Done
04:25<babilen>You shouldn't have seen those messages this time around -- Is there anything else we can help you with? :)
04:26<_wolfez_>babilen, Buying a new pc for me? :P
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04:28<_wolfez_>Why is the code color from c++ all black in vim?
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04:30<_wolfez_>babilen, On ubutnu it was the good syntax
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04:33<babilen>_wolfez_: You probably want to install a more comprehensive vim metapackage than the vim-tiny you have now. vim-gtk or vim-gnome are good choices if you use it (once every now and then) in a graphical setting. Or take a look at vim-nox if you don't require that.
04:33<_wolfez_>Wich is on ubuntu? (terminal version.)
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04:34<babilen>_wolfez_: I have no idea what Ubuntu installs by default, but it sounds as if they install a "larger" vim package by default. Just install whatever you want and be happy.
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04:36<_wolfez_>babilen, Oke, but i dont no witch one i need.
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04:36<stderr>Maybe the one named "emacs"... :-)
04:37<_wolfez_>stderr, NO! I`m using vim!
04:37<stderr>As far as I can tell from an Ubuntu-box at work, they install "vim", "vim-common", "vim-runtime" and "vim-tiny".
04:37<babilen>_wolfez_: Do you use gvim? Do you have Xorg installed? Is this a remote server?
04:38*babilen would pick vim-gtk or vim-nox, but if you use Gnome vim-gnome would be the perfect choice ....
04:38<_wolfez_>N im not usign gvim
04:38<_wolfez_>I dont want a gui
04:38<stderr>_wolfez_: dpkg --get-selections | grep vim and check what you're missing.
04:38<babilen>_wolfez_: Okay, that is fine by me :)
04:39<babilen>_wolfez_: Install vim-nox then
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04:40<_wolfez_>bthats no gui?
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04:41<Zaba>it's 'no x', so yes
04:41<_wolfez_>Oke
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04:43<_wolfez_>How do i run vim nox
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04:45<stderr>vim.nox
04:46<stderr>The package might even have set up a link from vim to vim.nox.
04:46<_wolfez_>No highliting to!
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04:48<_wolfez_>PFFFFFFFFFF
04:48<nevyn>update-alternatives --config vim
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04:49<nevyn>_wolfez_: how are you trying to turn on highlighitng?
04:49<nevyn>do you have a .vimrc ?
04:49<_wolfez_>nevyn, Yes for c++
04:49<_wolfez_>On ubuntu enz it was automaticly
04:49<nevyn>_wolfez_: vi somefile.cpp
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04:50<_wolfez_>nevyn, Doesnt work and that vi and not vim
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04:51<stderr>_wolfez_: If you got a .vimrc, can we see it?
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04:53<_wolfez_>stderr, I will look!
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04:54<_wolfez_>Doesnty have one
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04:54<gnugr>_wolfez_:check in /etc/vin/vimrc
04:55<_wolfez_>vin or vim
04:55<gnugr>vim*
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04:55<_wolfez_>bash: cd: /etc/vim/vimrc: Not a director
04:55<_wolfez_>y
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04:59<stderr>It's a file.
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04:59<stderr>cat or less it.
04:59<stderr>Or more.
05:00<stderr>or vim it... :-)
05:00<gnugr>_wolfez_:cat /etc/vim/vimrc and check if contents default hightlighting
05:01<_wolfez_>oke
05:01<_wolfez_>brb
05:02<stderr>_wolfez_: Have you ever changed that file?
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05:19<bullgard4>Debian wheezy does not echo a tilde when I press 'AltGr++' twice in a uxterm or Xfce terminal. Similarly, when pressing the ^ key twice. If I press in a virtual terminal '^^ ' , a '^' will be echoet though. Entering these key combinations in Chatzilla's command line will echo theses characters . How to fix that?
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05:30<jakiw>does anyone know why I have to start xtightvncviewer from the console and it's nowhere under applications?
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05:33<ultra20>salut
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05:36<EmleyMoor>jakiw: The fact that it requires parameters may have a lot to do with that
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05:39<_wolfez_>Back
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05:43<jakiw>EmleyMoor, it doesn't
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05:44<jakiw>EmleyMoor, you can start it with paramaters or just use the GUI. but another question now: how do I make a favorite from a command?
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06:04<medo>ئ
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06:28<EmleyMoor>linuxcounter.net has an annoying fault!
06:28<stderr>Just one?
06:29<EmleyMoor>One so big it would mask others
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06:30<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to stop an auto-redirect happening?
06:31<EmleyMoor>(if forbidding scripts doesn't help)
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06:32<stderr>What page are we talking about?
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06:34<Posterdati>hi
06:34<_wolfez_>stderr, Nothing
06:34<Posterdati>I need help creating an udev rule to create a char node in /dev
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06:35<Posterdati>I've got a kernel driver named xxxxxx with major 254 and minors 0 and 1
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06:35<Posterdati>the device nodes are added using mknod and they worked, how can automate the creation at boot time?
06:36<EmleyMoor>stderr: linuxcounter.net - navigate anywhere else on site and you'll quickly be taken back there.
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06:37<stderr>EmleyMoor: I don't see that. Can you name a specific link on a specific page?
06:37<EmleyMoor>Any link on the site.
06:38<EmleyMoor>e.g. profile
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06:38<_wolfez_> Is 0there a os you need to do everythi ng with commands?
06:38<stderr>EmleyMoor: I don't even see that link...
06:39<stderr>But e.g. the "Update Script"-link works for me and takes me to http://linuxcounter.net/script.html
06:39<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... only affects when logged in
06:39<stderr>I get a 403, when I try to get the script, but that's not a redirect.
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06:40<stderr>Ok, I'm not going to make an account...
06:40<stderr>_wolfez_: I don't understand what you're saying...
06:41<_wolfez_>stderr, I want a os you can only use with commands
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06:47<alvin_>Hello, I'm new to Debian. Looking for some help installing an icon theme. Once I have downloaded the file, where do I extract it to?
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06:50<dsychov>system icon themes are installed to /usr/share/icons/theme-name/
06:50<dsychov>you can extract it where you want
06:50<alvin_>thank you very much ;)
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06:51<alvin_>This won't be different if I'm using xfce?
06:51<dsychov>but I'm not shure that plain extraction on theme will make it appear in theme selection dialogs
06:52<towo`>i would use ~/.icons/themename
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06:55<elppdppd>hey, if i used an invalid domainname how should i change it?
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08:30<alvin_>Can somebody please help me install icons in Debian Wheezy Xfce
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08:31<wwu>apt-get install xfdesktop4 xfdesktop4-data ?
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08:32<alvin_>I downloaded the .zip file for the Faenza icon theme from deviant art and extracted it to /usr/share/icons directory. But it doesn't appear in appearance in the settings manager. What have a done wrong.
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08:34<alvin_>sorry I'm new to this...
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08:34<wwu>it should be the correct place
08:35<wwu>but i dont know much, i dont customize much
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08:38<alvin_>wwu, I thought the same thing. However there also appears to be an install script. Might try running that. See what happens. :)
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08:44<nkisuru>hello
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08:45<alvin_>I want to delete this file /usr/share/icons/Faenza but linux won't allow me to. I tried rm /usr/share/icons/Faenza but it said it couldn't be deleted because it is a directory. I'm already logged in a root. What should I do?
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08:48<fanto666>rmdir
08:49<fanto666>rmdir /usr/share/icons/Faenza
08:49<fanto666>it will fail if it contains files/directories
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08:50<alvin_>fanto666, thank you
08:50<fanto666>if it's not empty you should be sure that you _want_ to remove it
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08:51<fanto666>you can use "rm -r /usr/share/icons/Faenza" but be sure what you're typing
08:51<alvin_>tyn, that correct. you need to type rm rf - (directory name)
08:51<fanto666>be careful about the 'f'
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08:51<fanto666>"rm -r" or "rm -rf" but be very careful
08:51<alvin_>what does the f argument do?
08:51<wwu>i would say carefull with the "r"
08:52<fanto666>it usually forces things
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08:52<fanto666>e.g. for rm it forces to remove even if rm would warn you
08:52<alvin_>yes the file was refusing to move
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08:52<EmleyMoor>-f means "force" - don't ask if you're sure
08:52<fanto666>try "man rm"
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08:52<fanto666>you say that's a directory, not a file
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08:53<alvin_>I removed the file. But next time I should use rm -r, right?
08:53<EmleyMoor>rmdir removes a directory if empty. rm -r would remove its contents and the directory.
08:53<alvin_>fanto666, yes it is a directory containing files.
08:54<alvin_>EmleyMoor, Great, got it.
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08:54<wwu>painfull discussions :), so you did not like the icons ?
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08:54<alvin_>has anybody installed any icons on Debian Xfce?
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08:55<babilen>probably :)
08:55<alvin_>wwu, No icons are great but I coulnd't get them to work on Debian 7 Xfce
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08:56<alvin_>babilen, I'm trying to install Faenza icon set but haven't had much luck. Can you tell me how to do it?
08:56<alvin_>I downloaded the file from Deviant art.
08:57<alvin_>Not sure where to extract it from here
08:58<babilen>I am sure you read http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes already -- What have you tried so far? AFAICT there even seems to be a DeviantArt specific section.
08:58<rufianw>Why wheezy does not have ettercap while squeeze, jessy and sid has?
08:58<alvin_>wwu, sorry I'm working on a netbook, I can barely see the screen.
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08:59<alvin_>Yep, tried the how-to guide on Xfce. Once I extracted the theme into /usr/share/icons it didn't appear for some reason.
08:59<fanto666>(although directory is a file in UN*X, but
08:59<fanto666>it's usually treated differently)
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09:00<alvin_>I'm sorry my keyboard is miniature. I having a bit of trouble keeping up.
09:01<babilen>rufianw: It must have been removed due to bugs - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=692734 in particular
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09:01<alvin_>I going to try the install script however that seems to be more slanted towards a buntu install
09:01<wwu>i tried the install
09:02<wwu>the file is quite big
09:02<wwu>just unzip the stuff in ~/icons
09:02<babilen>alvin_: Why don't you try to "install" it to ~/.icons/ first? Could you make sure that your user can read those icons in /usr/share/icons/? How exactly did you extract them there and what are the permissions of the files and directories there?
09:02<wwu>it was pretty guided in the README file
09:02<babilen>alvin_: I would recommend to not run random scripts
09:03<wwu>maybe you should use the ui directly
09:03<wwu>with file-roller
09:03<rufianw>babilen: uhm. Where can I find these next times?
09:03<wwu>well the script is safe
09:04<babilen>rufianw: What do you want to find exactly?
09:04<wwu>i just read it
09:04<rufianw>When a package is missing like this, see why.
09:04<babilen>rufianw: http://bugs.debian.org and http://packages.qa.debian.org
09:04<rufianw>ok, thanks.
09:05<alvin_>babilen, ok give me a sec
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09:06<wwu>ha i am so glad that xfce 4.10 is on the testing !!
09:06<babilen>alvin_: Please also note that I have *no idea* which icon set you are talking about and that I simply said "probably" to answer your question if "has anybody installed any icons on Debian Xfce?"
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09:14<binyam>can anyone tell me where i get proxy servers??? my isp keeps filtering me!!
09:15<binyam>help, can anyone tell me where i get proxy servers??? my isp keeps filtering me!!
09:15<rufianw>search in the web for them? (from a non-filtered site)
09:15<binyam>anyone??
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09:16<wwu>free daemon ?
09:16<wwu>or vpn
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09:17<binyam>google lists'em:) but they dont open
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09:17<binyam>sorry for the stupid q's, but i really need this
09:18<wwu>sorry it is called yourfreedom
09:19<binyam>i used to know one russian site that give off ip's
09:19<wwu>your isp could not be worse than china great firewall
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09:21<binyam>so what's called yourfreedom, the site?
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09:21<krajczek>hellow
09:22<krajczek>I have a problem of expresscard rs232
09:22<haylo>this seems severely offtopic. If it is illegal in your country to access a certain type of site, it is probably time to move before they start killing people
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09:22<krajczek>dmesg
09:23<krajczek>[ 196.488113] usb 3-2: new full-speed USB device number 9 using uhci_hcd
09:23<krajczek>[ 196.904097] usb 3-2: device not accepting address 9, error -71
09:23<krajczek>[ 197.016118] usb 3-2: new full-speed USB device number 10 using uhci_hcd
09:23<krajczek>[ 197.424106] usb 3-2: device not accepting address 10, error -71
09:23<krajczek>[ 197.424132] hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
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09:23<binyam>hmm, thats the problem, moving!
09:25<binyam>can anyone tell me where to get free proxy servers i can use??
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09:29<phoenix>hi all
09:29<devil>binyam: yeah, google knows of hundreds
09:30<phoenix>how you think there will be good new UBUNTU 13.10?
09:31<themill>this isn't #ubuntu
09:31<phoenix>how you think there will be good new UBUNTU 13.10?
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09:31<ompaul>phoenix: wrong question - the question is not debian related
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09:32<haylo>krakrjak: that "unable to enumerate" looks like a damaged device to me. lack of a driver should not cause that error. I get that with my older usb, i make alot of writes to them
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09:32<haylo>i realize this is a network card , but still it should not be getting that error
09:32<phoenix>when there is a new debian version?
09:33<ompaul>phoenix: in a few years
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09:33<ompaul>phoenix: when it is ready
09:33<ompaul>we have a new one from a few weeks ago, version 7.0 feel free to try it out and using debian tools and methods enjoy it
09:34<phoenix>in the new debian version the worked not enough code
09:35<ompaul>phoenix: you are too hard to parse, there is nothing more I can help you with.
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09:35<phoenix>I from Russia, write in English a little
09:35<ompaul>!ru
09:35<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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10:57<Xylon>how come this command works on my Wheezy desktop but not on my Wheezy server?
10:57<Xylon>date --date="1970-01-01 UTC 3097061368 seconds" +%Y-%m-%d
10:57<Xylon>2068-02-21
10:58<Xylon>oops, should be on one line
10:58<Xylon>oh, that's the answer
10:58<Xylon>the command is: date --date="1970-01-01 UTC 3097061368 seconds" +%Y-%m-%d
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11:00<ompaul>Xylon: you ok with that?
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11:00<Xylon>ompaul: ?
11:01<ompaul>you are messing around with date there :-)
11:01<ompaul>btw that is in the days of the 64 bit machine
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11:02<Xylon>I want to know the date 3097061368 seconds after 1970-01-01 UTC
11:03<ompaul>and now you do
11:03<Xylon>yeah but it doesn't work on my server, I need it to, for a script
11:03<Xylon>it works with smaller numbers
11:03<ompaul>is your server 64bit?
11:04<Xylon>hmm dunno
11:04<Xylon>uname -a
11:04<Xylon>Linux t67.eu 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux
11:04<ompaul>it will work up until 2038 if it does
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11:05<ompaul>686 is not amd64 which is the x86 sixty four bit kernel
11:05<ompaul>so the answer to the question is no
11:05<ompaul>therein lies the answer to your problem
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11:06<Xylon>OK I found it on wikipedia: At 03:14:08 UTC on 19 January 2038, 32-bit versions of the Unix time stamp will cease to work, as it will overflow the largest value that can be held in a signed 32-bit number.
11:07<Xylon>well, this answeres that then
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11:14<ompaul>glad to see that wikipedia agrees with me :-)
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11:19<Mullet>Hey guys, I ran into the Immediate-Configure problem (with perl) and have already tried all the steps recommended by the bot. They all just result in the same error, except the dpkg -r method, which yields "Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks" on apt-get -f install. What else could I try?
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11:23<sistemes>hola
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11:24<sistemes>spanish
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11:36<ompaul>Mullet: you could do worse that this: apt-get update&& apt-get dist-upgrade
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11:38<Mullet>ompaul: ?
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11:38<Mullet>ompaul: Performing the upgrade to wheezy is what made me run into that issue in the first place.
11:39<ompaul>Mullet: ok I'll ask again can you run that as I have said, if you have an error post it in http://paste.debian.net
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11:39<lusterdan>Buenas , alguien me puede ayudar? tengo un pequeño problema porfavor!
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11:39<lusterdan>Alguien me puede ayudar!
11:39<lusterdan>Tengo un problema!
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11:40<Mullet>ompaul: Sure. Just a sec, I currently trying another tip I found.
11:41<lusterdan>Algun español?
11:41<ompaul>!es
11:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:41<Mullet>ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/9347/
11:42<ompaul>Mullet: and you do y and get to where?
11:43<Mullet>ompaul: It exits after the error message, if that's your question.
11:43<ompaul>Mullet: have you anything external in your apt i.e. something not debian
11:43<Mullet>ompaul: Nope, no external repositories, no apt pinning.
11:44<ompaul>Mullet: try this and then try again apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0
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11:45<Mullet>ompaul: As I already said, I tried everything that is recommended by '/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures', which addresses this exact problem.
11:45<Mullet>ompaul: It yields the same error message.
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11:46<ompaul>Mullet: then you're going to have to wait a while and ask others here later I have no other ideas
11:46<Mullet>Alright, thanks.
11:46<ompaul>Another possible workaround for this problem is to temporarily add both squeeze and wheezy sources to your sources.list and run apt-get update.
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11:46<ompaul>Mullet: ^^ had you seen that?
11:46<Mullet>Yes, did that as well.
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11:58<no_gravity>Hello! mtpfs has been removed from wheezy. Now I dont know how to mount my nexus 4. Any ideas?
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12:17<gnugr>Mullet:give it a shot with this "apt-get install dpkg apt linux-image-****" then do again "apt-get dist-upgrade"
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12:19<Mullet>gnugr: The first step (even just upgrading apt alone) fails with the same error.
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12:21<gnugr>Mullet:try step by step each one separate
12:21<Mullet>gnugr: dpkg and linux-image upgrade just fine, apt fails
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12:23<gnugr>Mullet:try now again "apt-get dist-upgrade" to see if will pass
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12:23<Mullet>gnugr: No change: http://paste.debian.net/9355/
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12:25<gnugr>hmm... and your sources.list i assume is ok eh?
12:27<Mullet>I hope so! You tell me ;) http://paste.debian.net/9357/
12:28<gnugr>no, your sources.list is a mess
12:28<Mullet>:(
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12:30<Mullet>What's wrong with it?
12:32<gnugr>Mullet:should be like this http://paste.debian.net/9358/ just change the country you are
12:32<gnugr>change the mirror
12:33<Mullet>gnugr: The only actual difference is s/wheezy/stable/ in the first to lines, isn't it?
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12:34<gnugr>i recommend you that way, you can choose yours
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12:34<Mullet>Holy moly, that actually seems to help. I don't understand why, though...
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12:37<Mullet>Or not. My mistake. There were just a few more packages that upgraded with 'apt-get upgrade', but dist-upgrade still fails.
12:39<gnugr>same error?
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12:40<Mullet>Yes. But hang on... 'apt-get upgrade' didn't go through the first time.
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12:53<Mullet>Well, okay. apt-get upgrade installed a ton of new packages, but there are still some left and dist-upgrade still fails: http://paste.debian.net/9365/
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12:58<babilen>Mullet: Are you mayhaps upgrading from squeeze to wheezy?
12:58<Mullet>babilen: Yes.
12:58<Mullet>At least I'm trying to. ;)
12:58<babilen>Mullet: Okay, this problem is discussed later in the release notes. Did you try the suggestion there?
12:59<babilen>dpkg: tell Mullet -about release notes
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12:59<Mullet>babilen: Yes, I've seen the suggestions there, and also the hints by the dpkg bot in here.
12:59<babilen>dpkg: tell Mullet -about squeeze->wheezy failures
12:59<Mullet>I've tried all that, to no avail...
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12:59<babilen>Ah, okay .. I am clearly missing context then.
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13:00<babilen>Mullet: Huh? You can't even install it with dpkg?
13:00<gnugr>babilen:he just fixed (i hope well) his sources.list
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13:01<babilen>What was wrong with it?
13:01<babilen>Either way: Pray continue ... you are obviously in the middle of something.
13:01<gnugr>were wrong IMHO
13:01<Mullet>babilen: Install what with dpkg? The perl package?
13:01<babilen>yes
13:02<babilen>You said you tried all the suggestions in <squeeze->wheezy failures>
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13:03<Mullet>babilen: Yes, but it doesn't suggest installing the bad package with dpkg, but removing it and then doing apt-get -f install. But installing with dpkg fails, too: http://paste.debian.net/9367/
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13:07<babilen>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy failures
13:07<dpkg>Try: (a) upgrade in 2 steps: apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade (b) apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 (c) add squeeze back into sources.list; apt-get update; try again. (d) apt-get install apt; try again (e) apt-get install badpackage; try again (f) apt-get remove badpackage; apt-get install badpackage; try again (g) dpkg -r --force-depends badpackage; apt-get -f install; try again.
13:08<babilen>Mullet: The suggested command is "dpkg -r --force-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/perl_5.14.2-21_i386.deb ; apt-get -f install" (as a last resort after ahving tried everything else)
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13:08<Mullet>babilen: Is there a difference between dpkg -r perl and dpkg -r <theperldebfile>?
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13:09<Mullet>Oh well, there is... the latter doesn't work. ;-)
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13:10<Mullet>babilen: There you go: http://paste.debian.net/9371/
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13:12<babilen>*sigh*
13:13<babilen>And the other tricks don't work well too? Can you install perl with dpkg?
13:13<Mullet>Directly installing the new version fails: http://paste.debian.net/9367/
13:13<babilen>but meh, I don't want to jump into this and I don't have enough time to investigate this in detail as I have a meeting in half an hour
13:13<Mullet>Okay, thanks a lot anyways!
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13:14<babilen>Mullet: Try a force-depends but did you really try all the other approaches already?
13:14<Mullet>Yep
13:15<babilen>Mullet: These immediate-configuration errors are slightly suboptimal and I am sorry that you ran into it (with perl of all packages)
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13:15<Mullet>Yeah, there are in fact a lot of its on google, but none of them had it with perl.
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13:15<Mullet>*hits
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13:16<Mullet>I'd actually be willing to use some brute force by now, if I'd knew what to do...
13:16<jemadux>if the port 25 is blocked how to make the mail server ?
13:17<babilen>Mullet: Well, you can try to increase the pressure on dpkg to install that package (--force-FOO), but perl is not really a package that you want to see failing.
13:17<babilen>jemadux: You don't (at least not on 25) -- TLS/SSL are viable alternatives.
13:17<jemadux>babilen: do you know any good tutorial to change the port ?
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13:18<babilen>jemadux: Change the port of what?
13:18<Mullet>babilen: It's not an essential package, is it? So what if I would remove all perl packages and then install the new version?
13:18<Mullet>Does apt work without perl?
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13:19<babilen>Mullet: I would try to "dpkg -i --force-WHATEVERISNEEDED" and go ahead with that.
13:19<jemadux>i dont know ... just i want to make a mail server
13:19<babilen>jemadux: why?
13:19<Mullet>Right, no need to remove them first.
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13:20<babilen>jemadux: If *other* mailserver are trying to contact you on port 25 there is *nothing* you can do about that if they are blocked before those requests even reach you
13:20<jemadux>cuz i own a domain name .. and i want a mail with that domain ...
13:21<ompaul>jemadux: a car stops travelling when it hits a brick wall, a packet stops travelling when a firewall exists between it and it's target
13:21<babilen>jemadux: Your registrar might offer a SMTP server that you can use as a smarthost
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13:23<sagpatke>hi sesank23
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13:47<laktrick_>hey
13:48<laktrick_>anyone actually active here
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13:49<blast007>laktrick_: if you have a debian support question, ask. :)
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13:50<laktrick_>just on the stability of testing atm is there many breaks that are going to cause me a headache?
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13:54<laktrick_>is anyone here?
13:54<mtn1>laktrick_, testing is likely to a bumpy ride for some time, but only you know if it is too bumpy
13:54<vivek_>Hello there, is there way to install xserver-xorg-core >= 1.13 in debian? I want to try to the latest nVidia drivers (319.17) for Optimus support but unable to get this version of xorg?
13:55<haylo>laktrick_: headaches happen when you dont have a backup system
13:56<laktrick_>haylo: I backup i just hate it when i get stuck in dependancy and break circles
13:56<laktrick_>mtn1: thanks
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13:58<laktrick_>vivek_ yes you could compile the kernel manually and then install the nvidia drivers
13:58<laktrick_>vivek_: it's not as difficult as everyone says it is
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13:59<vivek_>laktrick_: i don't think i can use dpkg source build for that, can it?
14:00<vivek_>laktrick_: i don't think i can use dpkg source build for that, can i?
14:00<vivek_>i am ok with building, it's the time part
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14:02<gnugr>vivek_:for optimus you need to work with bumblebee use /msg dpkg bumblebeee
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14:02<redhoodie>hi everyone. How well does debian support uefi? I have a computer that has uefi on it, but want to try out with debian.
14:02<laktrick_>vivek_: I beleive you can have you read the wiki on compiling your kernel?
14:03<Calinou>gnugr: or not
14:03<Calinou>latest driver lets you use optimus but without power management
14:03<gnugr>*bumblebee even
14:03<blast007>redhoodie: The Wheezy installer supports UEFI
14:04<vivek_>laktrick_: it's not the kernel i am looking for, nVidia 319.17 requires xorg >= 1.13...but latest i could find of xorg is 1.12
14:04<vivek_>gnugr: the latest nvidia has support for optimus
14:05<gnugr>Calinou:i use bumblebee and works fine so far
14:05<redhoodie>blast007: so I can install debian with the Legacy mode on?
14:05<Calinou>gnugr: yes, with shitty performance
14:06<blast007>redhoodie: I have not done an UEFI install myself - I only know that the installer can do both legacy BIOS and UEFI
14:06<laktrick_>sorry re read ill give you a link 1 second
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14:07<blast007>vivek_: the nVidia readme says it can use xorg 1.0 through 1.14 - where are you seeing that you need 1.13 or higher?
14:07*rufianw wonders if the Debian installer is able to create the boot entry in UEFI boot menu.
14:08<redhoodie>oh okay thanks. I will probably do a couple more search about it then
14:08<gnugr>Calinou:the main thing is that i obvious regret for bought that shitty Dell with optimus
14:09<vivek_>blast007: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/nvidia-releases-linux-graphics-drivers.html
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14:10<blast007>ah
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14:12<campo>hola me podeis decir algun reposito para ubuntu
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14:13<laktrick_>vivek_: here you go http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2012-September/002068.html
14:13<campo>gracias
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14:15<laktrick_>vivek_: does that help a little
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14:16<vivek_>laktrick_: thanks a lot...i will see if i can get hold of ubuntu's deb file for this package, else i will build from source...no big deal
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14:16<pinguy>hi
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14:18<kike>hi all
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14:21<kike>i have a problem with nvidia driver 304.88. in debian squezee 64 bits. with the old version all runs ok, but now when i execute for example urban terror starts correct but after seconds the screen crashes with black triangles. same isue with blender 2.6. the system plays video ok. some one can help me?
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14:30<devil>kike: how did you install the drver?
14:31<rfvizarra>Hi, I just installed an lxc container (with debian template) and I was not asked for a password. The default password shown in the debian wiki doesnt work. Anyone knows the default password or how to find out?
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14:34<Calinou>gnugr: few mobile cards are decent, that's all 8)
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14:38<kike>i install the driver from nvida script
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14:39<kike>my graphic car is nvidia 7900GT. th nvidia X server setting runs ok
14:39<kike>grapcard
14:39<kike>lol
14:39<devil>kike: you should use the debian way for us to be able to support you
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14:40<kike>ahh
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14:40<kike>how is the debian way?
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14:40<kike>i m absolute noob
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14:41<Calinou>kike: 1) don't use the script 2) don't forget the 7900GT uses legacy
14:41<devil>kike: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
14:42<devil>kike: but first of all, you need to uninstall everything nvidia
14:42<kike>for first time i install the system, but can't play 3d games
14:42<kike>ok, i go to reinstall follow this way, thank you very much
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14:43<devil>kike: legacy, not the 304.88
14:44<devil>you installed the wrong driver the wrong way
14:44<kike>i follow nvidia way
14:45<Apollo>and that's the wrong way
14:45<kike>the precedent driver runs, but not this
14:45<towo`>304.88 is for a 7900GT
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14:45<devil>it is?
14:45<towo`>sure
14:45<kike>yes my card is 7900GT
14:46<devil>304.8 is a legacy driver?
14:46<towo`>310 and above don't support that cards anymore
14:46<devil>ah, ok
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14:46<towo`>304 is the new legacy branch from nvidia
14:47<kike>i think i see this version 304.88 in the debian website
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15:01<kike>i have this error follow this way:
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15:01<kike>update-alternatives: error: la ruta alternativa /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1 no existe.
15:01<kike>dpkg: error al procesar libgl1-nvidia-alternatives (--configure):
15:01<dpkg>kike: I don't know, could you explain it?
15:01<kike> el subproceso instalado el script post-installation devolvió el código de salida de error 2
15:01<kike>Se encontraron errores al procesar:
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15:01<kike> libgl1-nvidia-alternatives
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15:02<kike>this is the problem because i follow the nvidia way
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15:10<kike> libgl1-nvidia-alternatives
15:10<kike>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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15:14<babilen>kike: Take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for supported and working installation instructions. I wouldn't recommend to use nvidia.com's .run installer as it messes up a bunch of liGL links.
15:14<babilen>kike: If you paste errors we also have to see the entire output and command - you can paste that to http://paste.debian.net
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15:15<diederik>kike: what command(s) did you use (exactly)? (paste that also)
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15:17<kike>following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_6.0_.22Squeeze.22
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15:17<kike>aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
15:17<kike>obtain this error
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15:18<diederik>what does 'uname -r' return?
15:18<kike>i copy from debian website
15:18<kike>tha i pasted
15:18<haylo>well the regex for 2.6 is obviously not going to work anymore
15:18<diederik>yes, I saw that. Now do 'uname -r' in a terminal and paste the OUTPUT
15:19<diederik>haylo: indeed ;)
15:19<Ryccardo>What causes the perl locale error http://pastie.org/8027400 ? (Yes, I have enabled it and run locale-gen)
15:19<kike>2.6.32-5-amd64
15:19<diederik>afaik installing nvidia-kernel-dkms should be enough
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15:21<haylo>that kernel is so old that it should be on display at the Natural History Museum
15:21<babilen>kike: Could you paste the *entire* output of the command you ran? Also why are you using squeeze and not wheezy?
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15:21<kike>i m using squeezy
15:21<Ryccardo>haylo: I still have a 2.4 CD somewhere ;)
15:22<babilen>kike: There is no "squeezy" -- I can see that you are using squeeze and I wonder why you are not using the current stable release (wheezy) -- either way we have to see the entire output of your command in order to be able to help you.
15:23<kike>here?
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15:23<babilen>No, on http://paste.debian.net
15:23<babilen>(as mentioned before)
15:23<kike>ok
15:24<kike>ready, pasted
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15:25<babilen>kike: It is customary to provide the link to the actual paste in here.
15:25<diederik>kike: you should paste the URL for it here. http://paste.debian.net/9395
15:25<babilen>dpkg: tell kike about localised errors
15:26<babilen>kike: Please run "LC_ALL=C aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms" and paste that output (we don't all read Spanish)
15:26<Ryccardo>it's fixing libgl1-nvidia-alternatives and not installing anything else
15:26<babilen>kike: It looks as if you broke your system by running the nvidia installer though. So, back to my initial question: Why don't you use wheezy?
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15:27<diederik>kike: Did you completely remove nvidia from (the .run file) before installing the nvidia packages?
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15:28<kike>yes
15:28<babilen>kike: The nvidia-kernel-dkms package in wheezy (and squeeze-backports) comes with some tools to cleanup the mess the nvidia .run installer created. But please let me know why you run squeeze and not wheezy.
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15:28<babilen>diederik: Once it has been run the libGL symlinks are messed up which is *exactly* why we recommend to not use it.
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15:29<kike>i installed squeeze in 2012 and works fine to day
15:29<ompaul>or maybe not
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15:30<babilen>kike: yes, sure ... but we released a new version of Debian some time ago. you have a couple of months left before you have to upgrade though. I'd look into it, you can read http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.es.html
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15:30<kike>ok i go to see
15:30<babilen>kike: But then, given that you used the nvidia .run installer the squeeze package can't cope with the broken libGL links. I would recommend to use the nvidia-kernel-dkms package from squeeze-backports.
15:31<babilen>dpkg: tell kike -about squeeze backports
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15:32<babilen>kike: So, enable squeeze backports and then run "apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 ; aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" which installs the kernel headers from squeeze but the nvidia driver from squeeze-backports.
15:33<babilen>(don't forget to run "apt-get update" after you added squeeze-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list)
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15:35<diederik>yep, you really want the one from backports, since it depends on nvidia-installer-cleanup
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15:36<kike>i can't remove the error with libgl1-nvidia-alternatives
15:36<kike>;(
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15:36<diederik>what if you do 'aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-dkms'?
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15:38<kike>same error
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15:39<babilen>kike: Just abandon the attempt and, maybe, run "aptitude keep-all" -- Then add squeeze-backports and run "apt-get update" and continue with the command I gave you earlier. If that doesn't work then please show me the output of those commands and that of "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms"
15:40<babilen>kike: You really want the version from squeeze-backports as it pulls in our cleanup scripts (nvidia-installer-cleanup) as diederik rightfully noted and I hinted at earlier.
15:41<kike>sorry how to add backports?
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15:41<kike>i m lost in the code
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15:42<Ryccardo>in /etc/apt/sources.list
15:42<kike>ahh
15:42<Ryccardo>duplicate the "deb http://[…] squeeze […]" line
15:43<Ryccardo>and change the copy to "[…] squeeze-backports […]"
15:43<kike>ok
15:43<Ryccardo>all this if your mirror still keeps squeeze-backports, some don't anymore
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15:44<babilen>dpkg: squeeze backports
15:44<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the "Wheezy" (7.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Squeeze" (6.0) can be found in the "squeeze-backports" repository. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
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15:44<babilen>kike: Make sure you have "main contrib non-free" in there though.
15:44<kike>ok
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15:45<kike>ready
15:45<kike>i go ti update
15:45<babilen>So, make it: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" -- Then run "apt-get update" and apt-get install linux-headers-amd64 ; aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" and be happy. (hopefully)
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15:46<kike>added
15:47<kike>i go to update
15:47<diederik>babilen: why do mix apt-get and aptitude? (kike: you can ignore this)
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15:48<babilen>diederik: Could have used aptitude for the first command as well -- I simply wanted the "-r" of aptitude to ensure that recommended packages are installed.
15:49<diederik>ah ok, thanks
15:49<babilen>diederik: I typically use apt-get (or apt-* really) for everything unless I require aptitude's super cow powers (interactive resolver, search terms, ...)
15:50<babilen>bbl
15:50<kike>i paste another error
15:51<kike>in the pastezone
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15:52<diederik>kike: url ... ;)
15:52<kike>http://paste.debian.net/9399/
15:52<babilen>kike: You seem to have the same entry in there twice -- remove the duplicate from your /etc/apt/sources.list or paste your sources.list so we can advise you.
15:53<babilen>I'll be back later
15:53<diederik>paste your whole /etc/apt/sources.list
15:53<kike>ok
15:53<kike>pasted
15:53<devil>url...
15:53<kike>you are formidables guys!
15:53<kike>:)
15:54<kike>thanks very much for your support
15:54<devil>we are foremost lazy, so please always pastev the url
15:54<diederik>kike: remove line 3
15:54<kike>http://paste.debian.net/9401/
15:54<kike>ok
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15:55<kike>updating...
15:56<kike>upgrading
15:56<kike>remain the error: libgl1-nvidia-alternatives
15:56<kike>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
15:56<diederik>basically line 1 and 13 are the same ... (if it doesn't cause errors, just let it be)
15:57<Ryccardo>kike: `dpkg --configure -a` still fails, right?
15:57<kike>ah yes, removing
15:57<kike>i go to try
15:58<kike>yes, same error
15:58<diederik>try 'aptitude purge libgl1-nvidia-alternatives'
15:58<kike>ok
15:59<kike>same error
15:59<kike>:(
15:59<Ryccardo>`dpkg -r libgl1-nvidia-alternatives`?
16:00<kike>trying...
16:01<kike>don't work
16:01<Ryccardo>there's --force-all but I wouldn't say to use it blindly
16:02<kike>i try: dpkg --purge --force-all libgl1-nvidia-alternatives and dont work
16:02<kike>aldo
16:02<kike>also
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16:06<diederik>kike: paste the output of 'aptitude search ~invidia'
16:06<diederik>and 'aptitude search ~ilinux-headers'
16:07<kike>http://paste.debian.net/9405/
16:08<kike>http://paste.debian.net/9406/
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16:13<diederik>try 'aptitude -r -f -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms'
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16:14<kike>ok
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16:14<peej>my wifi led doesn't light up with brcmsmac. What's a good way I can automate to figure out if my wifi is sucking power?
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16:17<kike>working...
16:17<gnugr>peej:do you have firmware-brcm80211 installed?
16:18<peej>yup
16:18<gnugr>peej:check the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211
16:20<gnugr>and do not forget to activate with keyboard key
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16:24<v4let3>ds
16:24<peej>gnugr, you've lost me. Is there a mystical menu that is invoked with a magic key?
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16:24<kike>still waiting...
16:24<v4let3>hey guys first time using this lol
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16:27<gnugr>peej:i guess most laptops have a key to turn on wifi (if i understood correct)
16:27<peej>gnugr, the wifi works btw. But I think I have to bring the interface up and down to start/kill power to it.
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16:27<peej>the led light however doesn't work.
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16:28<Ryccardo>ha, I remember when the iwl driver made the wifi led blink on activity and the official Windows one didn't
16:28<gnugr>peej:it might be a hardware issue
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16:28<kike>hang up diederik
16:29<peej>so I was wondering if there was a smart way to do it. Something in proc maybe. I suppose I could just ip link show or something.
16:29<diederik>what do you mean by hang up?
16:29<kike>console _
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16:29<kike>i go to reboot
16:29<kike>glub
16:30<peej>gnugr, yeah, I'm pretty sure it is a hardware issue. One day the light was working, the next it burn out....
16:30<diederik>seems like a good idea :P
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16:30<kike>thanks i see you later in cha allah
16:30<Nate_>Hi
16:30<peej>s/to do it/to know about it or be sure about it/
16:30<Nate_>Anyone had luck with Adito (aka openvpn-als)?
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16:32*peej is prolly being affected by a first-world problem (http://www.quickmeme.com/First-World-Problems/)
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16:33<gnugr>peej:if you can open your lappy, it uses 2 cables (one to connect and 2nd for led) you can check cable contacts
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16:34<hil-sound-NL>sorry BRB
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16:35<diederik>I created a public/private keypair with 'gpg2 --gen-key' and then exported the public key
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16:35<diederik>Is it correct that it has this line in it: 'Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)' (and not version 2.x)?
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16:36<Nate][>Hi
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16:36<hil-sound-NL>Ben ik weer
16:36<Nate][>Anyone had luck installing openvpn-als (adito)?
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16:38<hil-sound-NL>hello Fets
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16:38<diederik>Nate][: probably not, since (afaik) it's not in the debian archives
16:38<peej>gnugr, actually it's my wife's netbook. She will probably kill me if I take it apart. It's probably smarter to fix it in software for now. Thanks for the hardware tip, though.
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16:40<Nate][>So if it is not in the archives, end of story?
16:40<diederik>probably, since we have no clue as to what you're trying to do ...
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16:41<peej>gnugr, here, fix = script something to make sure wifi interface is down in wicd-gtk (a gui tool) when wifi not used, so that power suckage is not a problem.
16:42<Nate][>Trying to install SSL VPN on deb7. if there is a solution in the archives, etc, I'll be happy to use it.
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16:42<diederik>there is an openvpn package (note: I have no experience with setting up vpn)
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16:43<Nate][>SSL VPN uses the browser, so the client only needs a browser and java.
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16:44<Nate][>And it uses SSL, so it doesn't get blocked like IPSEC
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16:51<peej>Nate][, you okay with normal ssl vpn (no java, no browser) ?
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16:56<peej>http://www.debian-administration.org/article/663/Installing_an_encrypted_openvpn_on_Lenny -- works for squeeze and wheezy too
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17:14<runner>hi there!
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17:19<MrFrood>hi runner how can we help you?
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17:23<runner>hi! actually I always used fedora
17:23<runner>but I like to try debian wheezy for a while
17:23<runner>any problem with ati driver?
17:24<runner>and wheezy can run on a eeepc 704?
17:24<runner>( 600mhz/900mhz , 512 mb ram , 4gb ssd )
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17:25<runner>I tried fedora but it doesn't work cause the eeepc has not the requirments
17:25<MrFrood>runner: I tend to use nvida so I can't really help but if you give it a few minutes someone may be able to. Also try "/msg dpkg ati"
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17:27<MrFrood>runner: I've run Debian on some very shoddy hardware at times
17:27<diederik>runner: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC <- may be of interest
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17:36<Gerowen>Does anybody know of a good way to combine multiple videos without losing audo/video sync? I like the quick and easy way to do it with AVIDemux because they're AVI files off my camera, but if you combine multiple clips that run longer than a minute or so, it loses audio/video sync.
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17:43<haylo>Gerowen: did you try memcoder or avimerge ?
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17:44<Gerowen>have tried mencoder before, had similar issues, but haven't tried avimerge yet
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17:45<diederik>Gerowen: this is my 'stitchmovies' script: http://paste.debian.net/9422/
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17:46<Gerowen>diederik: thanks, :-), I'll give it a shot
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17:49<haylo>Gerowen: avimerge is in the "transcode" package. from an "apt-file search avimerge"
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17:55<WhiteNight>Hi, how well do USB-Sound-cards work with Debian (testing)?
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17:57<Ryccardo>in the kernel config you can see the list of all models that can work
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18:05<WhiteNight>Ryccardo: what shall I search it for? Searching for "SOUND" gives me just 3 results (like CONFIG_SOUND=m)
18:06<stderr>SND?
18:06<Ryccardo>IIRC in menuconfig you go to device drivers, sound support, alsa and there you find PCI soundcards, USB soundcards, ISA soundcards…
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18:08<stderr>WhiteNight: Did you try SND?
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18:09<WhiteNight>stderr: Yes, now I found something
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18:54<jj>hola?
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19:00<jj>hi!
19:00<jj>anybody here?
19:00<beepie>who?
19:01<jj>somebody that could help me
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19:01<beepie>somebody or anybody?
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19:03<stderr>!ask
19:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:05<jj>ONE human that knows how to adjust the size of windows dragging it to one side on debian 6 like windows 7 or ubuntu do
19:07<Ryccardo>I know gnome-shell supports that
19:08<stderr>I don't understand the question?
19:08<Arrowmaster>jj: upgrade to debian 7
19:08<mtn>edge snapping or whatever it is called?
19:08<jj>http://windows.microsoft.com/es-xl/windows7/products/features/snap
19:08<jj>something like this to debian 6
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19:08<Ryccardo>stderr: when you slap a window against the side of the screen, it adjusts to use that vertical half
19:08<Arrowmaster>its a gnome3 feature so its only available in debian 7
19:09<jj>I don't like debian 7, it's very heavy to my computer
19:09<Arrowmaster>then youll have to find another window manager that does it
19:09<jj>I would like to know if it possible to install the package that do it at gnome 3 to install it at debian 6, gnome 2
19:09<Arrowmaster>no its a core part of the window manager
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19:10<jj>another windows manager like???
19:10<jj>window*
19:10<abrotman>jj: use gnome3, it has that
19:11<Arrowmaster>i dont know what other window managers might have it
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19:11<jj>okay! thank you all
19:11<Arrowmaster>most focus on tiling mode instead of cascade
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19:12<blast007>jj: and gnome 3 would be in Debian 7. ;)
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19:38<seion>Trying to install latest stable deian on a HP Server. I created a raid array in the bios (Fake Raid) and when I run the install it shows both hard drives without the raid, if I boot installer with dmraid=true nothing shows up?
19:38<seion>debian*
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19:40<beepie>hi, is the kfreebsd of debian usable?
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19:43<abrotman>!tell beepie about kfreebsd
19:43<abrotman>!tell beepie about multiple ask
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19:44<beepie>didnt know oftc was connected to freenode
19:44<beepie>oops
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19:51<freetos>join ardour3
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19:52<jj123>ls
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19:55<abrotman>beepie: #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.)
19:55<abrotman>beepie: read the whole factoid next time
19:55<beepie>"abrotman wants you to know: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are available as a technology preview, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net"
19:55<beepie>http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ , doesn't say it's a preview as of wheezy's release
19:55<abrotman>okay
19:56<abrotman>it's a wiki, feel free to edit it
19:56<beepie>-_-
19:57<beepie>the site is already correct.
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20:27<Neal>man HTML5 drm is great right?
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21:21<wdoodle>trying to set up a serial console for a headless server
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21:22<wdoodle>added s0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS3 38400 vt100
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21:22<wdoodle>to inittab, but ps aux | grep tty shows the login process on ttyS3 instead of getty
21:23<wdoodle>that's not right is it?
21:24<wdoodle>no one has logged in yet on ttyS3, so the process attached should still be getty, no?
21:25<stderr>man inittab has an example... They use S0, not s0.
21:25<stderr>I don't know if that makes a difference.
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21:27<wdoodle>doesn't seem to. changed it and ran init q and I still have login already running on the serial line
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21:29<stderr>In some of the examples in man inittab and man getty the speed is before the port, but in others it's the other way around. Have you tried swapping them, just in case?
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21:33<wdoodle>no joy
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21:33<stderr>Any useful info in any of the logs?
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21:36<sankey>if I install both openjdk-6-jdk and openjdk-7-jdk, how would I invoke a specific version from the command line?
21:36<sankey>(wheezy)
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21:37<abrotman>sankey: just once, or select it to be used as 'java' across the system ?
21:38<sankey>just once
21:38<abrotman>sankey: i'd guess to look for the binary and use it directly, not sure it's meant to be done like that
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21:40<wdoodle>only thing in the logs is my invoking init q
21:40<sankey>abrotman: actually, that's really what i meant to ask---is it the intention of the maintainers to invoke a specific java version if both are installed
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21:41<abrotman>sankey: i'd think each package uses update-java-alternatives upon install to make itself the default ..
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21:45<stderr>I would hope one of them has higher priority than the other. Otherwise it would matter if you installed 6 before 7 or 7 before 6.
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21:48<abrotman>should be easy enough to check
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21:49<stderr>Yes, if you can spell "update-alternatives --query"...
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22:57<yhdfTT>in wheezy, after opening with archive manager a 300 GB tar ball, right clicked on a directory and requested "delete". Confusing, since it says deleting files, is this the right way to delete that directory without messing the rest of the tar ball?
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23:20<haylo>yhdfTT: directory structures do not overlap. everything you deleted was contained within that one directory. which you could still restore from the tarball. you will find that it is not changed from being untarred and/or decompressed. you can use it over and over. Also i would try "tar -xvf whatever.tar -C /destination/path" and get away from archive manager when you have some time to experiment..
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23:24<haylo>maybe "tar -xjf whatever.tar.bz2 -C /destination/path/"
23:25<haylo>Im guessing the message "deleting files" came from your file manager, cleaning out files from the directory before finally deleting it
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23:35<bullgard4>Wheezy utters at the end of the boot process in the loudspeakers a sentence: "Welcome to <one difficult recognizable word>!" What program does produce this sentence?
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23:46<haylo>bullgard4: maybe plymouth, "dpkg --get-selections plymouth" see if its installed
23:47<haylo>or some part of the gdm login manager ( or another login manager)
23:48<bullgard4>haylo: '~$ dpkg --get-selections plymouth' does not produce any output.
23:48<bullgard4>My login manager is LightDM.
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