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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-06-16

---Logopened Sun Jun 16 00:00:07 2013
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00:11<adnan>hi
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00:22<kevin__>Hello
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00:56-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
00:56-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: wheezy (7.1) released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | /msg dpkg 7.1 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ
00:56-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
00:56<themill>(topicdiff: 7.1)
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01:00<lOOza>hey :)
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01:01<lOOza>to upgrade to 7.1 i only need apt-get upgrade?
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01:01<themill>either "aptitude upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" are likely to be required
01:02<lOOza>ok thx
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01:05<voodoo>hi...somebody know if there is a way to make the battery of a laptop with debian to last more??
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01:07<stderr>voodoo: You didn't say it had to be a useful way, so I would suggest turning your laptop off. It's a great way to save power.
01:07<voodoo>jajajajja
01:07<SamB>stderr: GAH, and here I was exercizing self-restraint
01:08<stderr>:-)
01:08<SamB>another way is to try to keep your CPU usage low
01:09<stderr>voodoo: You could take a look at cpufreqd, cpufrequtils and some of the power-managers.
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01:09<voodoo>jajajaja...seriously... how many hours your laptop works with debian working? sorry about my english
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01:10<stderr>I'm usually on AC, so I have no idea. :-)
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01:11<voodoo>jajaja...me too that's why I want to improve it...
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01:14<stderr>Huh? I'm on AC as in "not on battery".
01:15<voodoo>yeah... I understand... I'm on AC because battery doesn't last so much... :P
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01:16<stderr>Ah, ok. That's not why I'm on AC.
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01:30<Guest29>Hello. I would be grateful for some help - I have downloaded the "nonfree" CD images (for 7.0) but they don't recognise my wifi card even though the nonfree netinst iso does - should that not be the case?
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01:52<voodoo>bye!
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02:31<jordanrx123>hei
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02:37<bullgard4>What is the main effect of the status of a DEB program package between "installed (auto removable)" and "installed (normal)"?
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02:38<dsychov>auto removable will be removed if all packages depending, recommending or suggesting it will be removed
02:39<dsychov>In general case.
02:41<bullgard4>dsychov: Thank you.
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03:55<halfbackrus>good news everyone
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04:32<ahmed>hi
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04:34<z>ау
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04:34<Guest42>всем привет
04:35<Guest42>тут русские есть или вы все чюрки ?
04:36<dsychov>Guest42: В #debian-ru русские, тебя забанят.....
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04:59<ndk>Ave all
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05:03<ndk>This night I upgraded from Squeeze to Wheezy, but system is not booting any more :( It hangs just after enabling write barrier on root fs (reiserfs). After 2 minutes I get flooded by "hung task timeout" messages. Any hints?
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05:44<gnugr>dpkg: tell ndk squeeze->wheezy
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05:47<gnugr>dpkg: tell ndk -about squeeze->wheezy
05:48<gnugr>dpkg: tell ndk -about squeeze->wheezy failures
05:48<ndk>gnugr: I already followed instuctions (using apt-get instead of aptitude, etc.). The problem is that it seems reiserfs is "untested/unsupported" (the installer doesn't allow me to install on my reiserfs root w/o reformatting), and I couldn't find any reference to that prior to reboot
05:49<gnugr>ndk:check 2nd msg from bot about failures
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05:51<dsychov>I thought there is a module in installer for reiserfs support. You must do expert mode install and select that module. Tell me if I thought wrong.
05:51<ndk>I couldn't find it. And I usually do expert installs.
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05:53<ndk>gnugr: those messages refer to the install before reboot.
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05:53<ndk>That part went well.
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05:53<ndk>It's *after* the reboot that it hangs
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05:55<ndk>I used install CD in recovery mode to install another kernel (P3 doesn't like pae from default 3.2.0, so I had to install the -484 flavour ...)
05:55<ndk>s/484/486
05:55<gnugr>ndk:i assume your sources.list is correct
05:55<ndk>it should
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05:58<gnugr>ndk:would you mind paste your sources.list 'http://paste.debian.net'?
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06:01<ndk>if only it booted...
06:01<ndk>but I only changed 'squeeze' to 'stable'
06:02<gnugr>ndk:did you remove backports/security updates/squeeze updates?
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06:04<ndk>Only backports.
06:05<ndk>Trying another update+upgrade from recovery mode
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06:05<gnugr>ndk:you said you followed what dpkg bot suggests
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06:06<gnugr>you can check steps /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy again
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06:08<ndk>I followed the howto. Come here only after the failure.
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06:13<kekko>that power
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06:22<ironman> /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
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06:32<ndk>Retrying w/ 'wheezy' instead of 'stable'. But what should be the difference when upgrading? Isn't (currently) stable a symlink to wheezy?
06:32<Nik05>yes its just a symlink
06:33<Nik05>so doesnt really matter, except when jessie is coming out, maybe you dont want to upgrade right after the release
06:33<ndk>Section A.2 of release notes "If any of the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list refer to 'stable', you are effectively already “using” wheezy."
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06:37<ndk>Nope. "reiserfs: enabling write barrier flush mode" and hang :(
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07:00<kimmaria>Hello. How to get keyboard shortcuts to work with debian xfce?
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07:03<kimmaria>hello?
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07:05<TobiX>kimmaria: Which shortcuts?
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07:06<kimmaria>tobix when i go to settings/keyboard/shortcuts
07:06<kimmaria>i try to add something, but nothing happens
07:07<kimmaria>it looks like a bug
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07:14<gnugr>kimmaria:try Alt+Tab Alt+F4 Alt+F5 etc. works for xfce4
07:15<kimmaria>gnugr the problem comes earlier...
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07:16<gnugr>kimmaria:i don't know much about xfce4, i found this http://linuxlibrary.org/xfce-4-keyboard-shortcuts/
07:17<kimmaria>gnugr thx. but thats just shortcuts for Window behaviour
07:17<kimmaria>the problem is the program-shortcuts
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07:19<gnugr>kimmaria:do you have xfce-keyboard-shortcuts installed?
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07:25<orangensaft171>hej, i'm having problems configuring default sound inputs.. even when "Front Mic" is configured, it won't automatically work on programmes like skype. also, it says "Input Source" twice, which i set to "Front Mic".
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07:26<orangensaft17>i have one sound card in my pc, three connectors in the back, two in the front panel
07:28<SynrG>first, make it work with something in debian before trying skype.
07:29<SynrG>at paste.debian.net, put the output of 'amixer'.
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07:30<orangensaft17>what i should probably mention: if i switch around the input sources in skype, i actually get input.
07:30<orangensaft17>what should i use to test it, rather than skype?
07:32<SynrG>arecord and aplay
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07:33<SynrG>arecord -l to list capture sources
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07:34<orangensaft17>amixer: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/deb03916/
07:34<SynrG>i guess you have pulseaudio? are you using gnome?
07:34<SynrG>ah, or maybe not
07:34<orangensaft17>using default for wheezy
07:34<orangensaft17>been using it for a year on my laptop, it all works fine there :/
07:35<orangensaft17>and i'm using MATE
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07:35<daemonkeeper>Mate is not in Debian.
07:35<orangensaft17>alsa is in the debian repos though
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07:36<orangensaft17>daemonkeeper: so it's not a Mate problem
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07:37<orangensaft17>SynrG: this is the problem i'm having. arecord -l: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7718f7b4/
07:38<SynrG>presumably that's because it has "front mic" and "rear mic" as separate inputs
07:39<SynrG>as per your amixer output
07:39<orangensaft17>right
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07:40<SynrG>or, ... maybe not. i am not certain
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07:40<SynrG>it appears this card simply has two Capture channels which can be changed to take input from different sources
07:40<SynrG>see lines 99 through 106 in your amixer output.
07:41<SynrG>currently they are both configured for 'front mic'
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07:41<orangensaft17>and i have my mic plugged in to "front mic"
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07:42<SynrG>back to pulseaudio ... do you use pulse or not? i don't know mate and it's not supported here. while this *may* be just an alsa issue, the desktop layer is important.
07:42<SynrG>!why not mate
07:42<dpkg>Unfortunately, MATE is neither in Debian, nor likely to be, based on technical objections and lack of anyone doing the work. Therefore, you can't get support for it here. Use one of the other desktop environments: <gnome>, <kde>, <xfce> or <lxde>. Alternatively, for <jessie> there will be <cinnamon>. See also <mate>.
07:43<SynrG>different desktops make different decisions about which sound stack to build on
07:44<miodrag>i am new linux user and i need some help with debian wheezy lxde - am i at the right place to ask for such help?
07:44<SynrG>miodrag: yes. just ask your question. if it's beyond what we know how to deal with, there is also #lxde
07:45<miodrag>thanks
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07:45<orangensaft17>SynrG: as far as i know, i'm not using pulseaudio.. i thought that's what alsa was? something to interact with the sound hardware, things like amixer, etc.?
07:46<miodrag>i have problem with audio - simple - no audio at all - os is installed on htpc board with bga cpu based on amd e350 apu
07:46<SynrG>miodrag: how did you install lxde? did you select the "alternate desktop" option from the installer?
07:47<SynrG>orangensaft17: dpkg -l pulseaudio to see if it is installed. based on your amixer output, i would guess "no".
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07:48<orangensaft17>SynrG: the only packages with "pulse" in their names are libpulse0 and vlc-plugin-pulse
07:48<miodrag>SynrG, i am not sure - i used tool withinn windows to make usb installation key out of downloaded iso image
07:48<SynrG>orangensaft17: that's fine. that's support for vlc to use pulse. but doesn't actually provide pulse itself.
07:48<orangensaft17>right, i figured
07:49<miodrag>SynrG, is there some terminal command that i should run to test sound settings?
07:49<SynrG>orangensaft17: so does this simple test work? "arecord -d 5 > test.wav" and play back with "aplay test.wav"?
07:49<SynrG>orangensaft17: that will make a 5-second long test file
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07:50<SynrG>miodrag: do you have alsa-base and alsa-utils? some methods of installation (e.g. install a base debian system, and then install 'lxde' metapackage later) may not install those.
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07:50<SynrG>miodrag: normally after the 'alternate desktop' install, you should have those, however.
07:50<miodrag>SynrG, i will check
07:51<orangensaft17>SynrG: it's all quiet when i play it back
07:51<miodrag>SynrG, alsa-base, and alsa-utils already installed
07:52<SynrG>orangensaft17: it may be that your front mic jack is simply not wired (or not wired properly) to the motherboard. who built your system?
07:52<kimmaria>hello. anyone knows how to fix the keyboardshortcut bug in XFCE?
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07:53<SynrG>miodrag: do you have one, or more than one sound card in your system? cat /proc/asound/cards
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07:54<SynrG>kimmaria: "the keyboard shortcut bug"? i'm afraid you'll have to be more specific. if there is a known bug, quote the bug# or link to the bug at bugs.debian.org.
07:54<orangensaft17>SynrG: i built it, and it's wired fine, as far as i know. i mean, i can switch around the input sources in client programmes and it works fine, right?
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07:54<SynrG>kimmaria: if you don't have a bug#, please describe the problem.
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07:55<miodrag>SynrG, it seems like system is recognizing 3 devices - while there is only one on board
07:55<miodrag> 0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
07:55<miodrag> HD-Audio Generic at 0xfeb44000 irq 41
07:55<miodrag> 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
07:55<miodrag> HDA ATI SB at 0xfeb40000 irq 16
07:55<miodrag> 2 [U0x46d0x9a4 ]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x9a4
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07:55<SynrG>orangensaft17: well, you could have front mic wired to rear on the motherboard, and vice-versa, for example.
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07:55<miodrag>hmm sry about that
07:55<SynrG>!tell miodrag about paste
07:56<SynrG>miodrag: it is likely you simply are plugged into the wrong device
07:56<orangensaft17>oh, right. i didn't know there were rear connectors, i thought it would always go through the pci slot
07:56<orangensaft17>i'll test that
07:56<SynrG>miodrag: try moving the plugs around
07:57<miodrag>http://paste.debian.net/10697/
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07:57<orangensaft17>SynrG: arecord still doesnt like my decisions.. when i put the input source to Rear, it's all quiet
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07:57<SynrG>miodrag: the usb device may be usb headphones or a webcam ...
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07:58<miodrag>SynrG, webcam
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07:58<TobiX>miodrag: The 2nd is your graphics card for HDMI audio
07:59<TobiX>(IIRC)
07:59<SynrG>miodrag: assuming you have everything plugged correctly, please show us your 'amixer' output
07:59<SynrG>the onboard audio should be your default.
07:59<miodrag>SynrG, also to mention - i have spdif speakers with optical audio connector, but i also have head phones connected at normal 3.5mm jack - no sound from any source...
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08:00<orangensaft17>SynrG: the thing is, if i mute the "Front Mic" in alsamixer, it won't work anymore (i can hear the noises my input records on my output)
08:00<SynrG>probably just a mixer issue. lxde probably only presents a single channel ...
08:00<kimmaria>synrg i think its a common problem... when i go to settings/keyboard/shortcuts i cant add new shortcuts
08:00<SynrG>lxde's default may not be appropriate for your hardware.
08:00<SynrG>or some other channel may be muted
08:01<SynrG>kimmaria: expand on "i can't add ..."
08:01<SynrG>kimmaria: you try what and expect what? what happens instead?
08:02<kimmaria>syngr i will post a pic on ity
08:02<miodrag>SynrG, http://paste.debian.net/10699/
08:02<SynrG>orangensaft17: i'm not sure what you mean.
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08:04<SynrG>miodrag: hm. that's your digital audio out and it is muted, apparently.
08:04<SynrG>miodrag: i don't know why it says "Mono". that is a bit strange.
08:04<miodrag>SynrG, how to unmute it?
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08:05<SynrG>miodrag: lxde doesn't have a "mute" checkbox for the sound applet?
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08:05<SynrG>miodrag: or do you even have the mixer applet on your lxpanel?
08:06<kimmaria>syngr when i add an shortcut and try to use that command ive choosed for it, nothing happens
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08:06<SynrG>kimmaria: it's "SynrG" and most irc clients allow you to tab-complete, so syn<tab> and you won't mix it up :)
08:07<orangensaft17>SynrG: right, so when i got my headphones plugged into the front panel, the sound is re-routed from my speakers (plugged into the rear sound output) to my headphones. so far, so good. if i plug my microphone into the front panel, i can then hear myself when i say something. that seems normal to me too, depending on configuration. (no idea how to change that though.)
08:07<orangensaft17>And as soon as I mute the "Front Mic" setting in alsamixer, you know, where you change the volume and all that. When I set "Front Mic" to muted, i won't hear myself anymore. so i'd say it's routed correctly, since it's Front Mic in the mixer - wouldn't it be also "Front" in the Input Soruces?
08:07<miodrag>SynrG, i have gnome alsa mixer and there are 3 cards 1st hdmi, 2nd real one and 3rd audio - only real one tab has "sliders" and checkboxes - all checkboxes are unmuted and still no sound
08:07<SynrG>kimmaria: ah. check your ~/.xsession-errors ... maybe there were errors from the command that prevented it from running?
08:08<kimmaria>synrg okey.. how do i check it? Sorry, im new to debian. Only used ubuntu/mint before ;)
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08:08<SynrG>miodrag: interesting. so maybe accidentally the hdmi is chosen as default?
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08:09<SynrG>kimmaria: less ~/.xsession-errors and look for any output relating to your command. be forewarned, some apps are very "chatty" with warning messages and the like that are not at all relevant ...
08:09<miodrag>SynrG, yes i think so, but i dont know how to make real one default - could you help?
08:09<SynrG>kimmaria: if you can't make any sense of it, put it at paste.debian.net. maybe we can.
08:10<SynrG>miodrag: there is a wiki article on that. sec
08:10<kimmaria>synrg okey thanks... but how do i open xsession-errors file?
08:10<miodrag>SynrG, thanks
08:10<kimmaria>Any terminal-command?
08:12<kimmaria>i found it
08:12<kimmaria> ;)
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08:12<SynrG>miodrag: try http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting
08:13<SynrG>orangensaft17, miodrag, kimmaria: seems to be sound card sunday today :) but i'm by no means the only person who can help. have a look at the ALSA wiki page. very shortly i'm going out for a hike. others here should be able to continue to help.
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08:13<orangensaft17>sound card sunday, let's make that a thing
08:14<kimmaria>synrg couldnt find anything about keyboard shortcuts or something familiar in x-errors.
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08:14<miodrag>SynrG, thnaks very much, i will play a bit with suggestions from article
08:15<orangensaft17>SynrG: one last thing.. would pulseaudio help, or maybe give me different or extended options?
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08:15<kimmaria>synrg not even the shortcuts thats already there from the beginning works
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08:16<SynrG>kimmaria: ah, that's interesting. well, i have no idea. you could look at xfce4 bugs in bugs.debian.org ...
08:16<SynrG>kimmaria: or find an xfce4 support channel and ask there
08:16<SynrG>!xfce
08:16<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net.
08:16<kimmaria>okey.. are they on freenood?
08:16<SynrG>as per above :)
08:16<kimmaria>oke
08:16<kimmaria>thanks!
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08:18<SynrG>kimmaria: it is possible your session isn't set up properly
08:18<SynrG>kimmaria: how do you start xfce4?
08:18<SynrG>orangensaft17: it's possible pulseaudio may help ... it's also possible it may make things even more confusing :)
08:18<SynrG>orangensaft17: that alsa wiki page may have some ideas i didn't cover already
08:19<orangensaft17>already looked at that a few weeks back
08:19<SynrG>yeah
08:19<kimmaria>from the beginning i installed Debian wheezy KDE. Then i installed Xfce and logged out from the session, and started Xfce ther
08:19<SynrG>kimmaria: i see. started how? from kdm?
08:19<orangensaft17>i may just remove the front panel and use the default rear in and outputs.. sucks for speaker / headphones, but meh..
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08:20<kimmaria>synrg
08:20<kimmaria>yep
08:20<miodrag>SynrG, you ware right about hdmi - alsamixer shows hdmi as default card, however alsactl and alsaconf commands are not found - any ideas?
08:20<SynrG>kimmaria: in theory that should work, but i think xfce4's default dm is lightdm these days. i don't know if that would make any difference ...
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08:20<Infiltrator>orangensaft17: Stupid question: can you get your front panel working at all in any way?
08:21<SynrG>miodrag: aha. well, /usr/sbin/alsactl
08:21<kimmaria>synrg maby its better to donwload debian xfce and do a clean install?
08:21<orangensaft17>Infiltrator: yeah, it works fine, i just want the default to be the front input.
08:21<SynrG>miodrag: i don't know if alsaconf is in debian anymore.
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08:22<orangensaft17>Infiltrator: i currently have to play around with the listed devices in different audio applications
08:23<Infiltrator>orangensaft17: Using ALSA, I assume? Have you tried pulse?
08:23<orangensaft17>Infiltrator: haven't tried pulse, should i give it a try? and.. pulse doesn't replace alsa, did i understand that correctly? or, does it?
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08:24<Infiltrator>orangensaft17: I'm not sure of the details but I think it's something like pulse uses alsa as the backend and presents itself as the frontend for applications; so it may fix your problem of setting the default.
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08:24<no_gravity>Good Afternoon from Germany! Everytime I start my shiny new Wheezy, I get a screen with "Oh no! Something has gone wrong ... system cant recover .. log out and try again. And a log out button". After clicking that button and login in, everything works normal. Any idea how to go about that shit?
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08:25<Infiltrator>no_gravity: How quickly after gdm appears do you try to login?
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08:26<no_gravity>Infiltrator: not sure what "gdm appears" means. i think i have auto login enabled.
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08:45<wardhan>when i load a dvd, it does not show up in file manager or in mount command. how do i fix the issue ? i am using cinnamon.
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08:55<Guest60>salam
08:55<Guest60>hi
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09:01<rafael>bom dia!
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09:02<rafael>alguem poderia me ajudar a configurar ubuntu?
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09:02<rafael>para assistir video..fica meio lento
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09:06<lord_rob>rafael: this is #debian ot #ubuntu
09:06<lord_rob>not*
09:07<Raziel>It's also mostly an english channel, I think
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09:08<lord_rob>indeed but I think it was portuguese and I can't say that in that languge :)
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09:22<folti>hello
09:22<folti>is anyone using openbox?
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09:23<aluali>hello, on "http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo", I see "Without this firmware installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the radeon driver is commonly experienced." My graphic card is an ATI HD5700 and it isn't listed under this text, but if I see the firmware-nonfree package description, I see ati HD5700. Should I install firmware-nonfree if I currently use xserver-xorg-video-ati ? Thank you.
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09:25<caravel>aluali: not sure (no ATI) but I would surely trust the firmware-nonfree package description
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09:31<aluali>what is the difference between "firmware-linux-nonfree" and "fglrx-driver" please?
09:31<aluali>is binary only firmware closed source driver ?
09:32<caravel>if it's non-free it can be restriction or even closed source, yes
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09:32<caravel>and debian and all major distros *do* distribute such firmwares
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09:32<caravel>which are in facts, "the exception to the rule"
09:33<caravel>(so the rule allows it)
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09:34<aluali>ok but if fglrx-driver is "AMD proprietary display driver ", what is the non-free ?
09:34<dsychov>proprietary is non-free by DFSG definitions
09:35<caravel>again myself I have to pass (no ATO experience myself, only Intel and NVidia), you might need both the firmware and the driver thou
09:35<caravel>ATI*
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09:36<caravel>aluali: you understand what are a firmware and a driver right?
09:37<aluali>no
09:37<caravel>ok :) a firmware is code sent to the device and run by it
09:37<caravel>think "pushed inside"
09:38<caravel>a driver is for the OS
09:38<caravel>so it knows how to talk to the device
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09:38<aluali>oh, it's to do "certain" instruction
09:39<caravel>for instance, some FLOSS drivers need closed source firmware to init the device correctly in the first place..
09:39<caravel>(had the case again the other day with a Broadcom WLAN adapter)
09:39<aluali>ok
09:40<aluali>thank you.
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09:40<caravel>other FLOSS drivers might deal with devices without such closed source firmware, because an open one was made (it happens) or in order to use extended features otherwise not available
09:40<caravel>^^
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10:33<yinglei>musca: thank you for helping me with the Timezones. It appears debian does not support setting the proper timezone during installation, but I fixed it all after the installation process.
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10:36<yinglei>Now, does anyone know how to stop all the open ports in debian except for sshd (port 22)? After default installation I have loads of ports open (listening) for some reason. Perhaps I don't understand it correctly?
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10:37<musca>hey yinglei, i looked at tzselect. It allows a userdefined TZ like GMT-0
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10:38<musca>don't know how to do it during install
10:40<themill>"dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" not tzselect. Expert-mode install allows you to set all these things independently of each other
10:41<yinglei>themill: I tried looking through the expert install mode, but did not spot anything regarding timezones, and I am no expert so I gave up on expert mode :)
10:41<yinglei>but yes, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata did what I needed to do after installation
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10:43<wompa>yinglei, about open ports: you stop those services or you write firewall rules for iptables or you put a firewall between your Internet connection and your Debian computers.
10:44<jalalsfs>I want to package minitube app for Wheezy, what's the requirement for packaging any apps?
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10:45<themill>,v minitube
10:45<judd>Package: minitube on i386 -- jessie: 2.0-1; sid: 2.0-1
10:46<themill>jalalsfs: minitube is already in Debian so it doesn't need packaging. Wheezy has already been released so no new packages will be added to it
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10:46<Raziel>So I screwed up my usb key loading, got into initramfs and manually unlocked my encrypted partition with the other key, how do I boot stuff up now?
10:48<jalalsfs>themill, No it doesn't for Wheezy, only for jessie or sid.
10:48<yinglei>wompa: I thought about the iptables solution, but I'd prefer to not have those services running as opposed to relying on the firewall to block them. I guess I am looking for a guide how to disable those services, since I do not really understand them much. For example exim seems to be running on port 25 even though I did not select the mail server option during installation (fresh system)
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10:51<themill>jalalsfs: that's what I said?
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10:51<themill>dpkg: tell jalalsfs about ssb
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10:55<jalalsfs>themill, Thank you so much. You know about yesterday upgrade, only today the upgrade files have come to my server.
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11:01<py4wvz>ola todos bom dia
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11:06<wompa>yinglei, you can just remove exim with apt-get
11:07<tel0s>hey all, having issues setting up openconnect + openconnect plugin for networkmanager. When i try to connect to the VPN connection I've set up, networkmanager starts openconnect (using org.freedesktop.blah) and then I get <warn> VPN service 'openconnect' exited with error: 1
11:07<tel0s>any ideas?
11:08<hagom>does somebody know this apt-build bug ?
11:08<hagom>Missing source package name for source_by_source().
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11:14<DAY1>hello
11:14<DAY1>Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 =
11:14<DAY1>help me
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11:18<piper>DAY1: what does apt-get -f install do
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11:36<yinglei>wompa: thanks, I know about that option, but I'd rather disable than remove, so that I can easily switch it on/off. The others I don't know however, e.g. rpcbind and rpc.statd - what do they do? They run on ports 111,47348,48161,600,968,37181,41878 after default installation.
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11:36<DAY1>Setting up se-toolkit (4.2.1-bt0) ...
11:36<DAY1>Errors were encountered while processing:
11:36<DAY1> se-toolkit
11:36<DAY1>LOG: received SIGHUP, reloading configuration files
11:36<DAY1>E: Sub-process usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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11:46<mozz>hello
11:47<SynrG>greetings. got a debian support question?
11:49<Raziel>I do! How do I manually execute sbin/init?
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11:50<Raziel>Alternatively, how do I update-initramfs without executing init or booring up properly before that?
11:50<SynrG>Raziel: what are you trying to accomplish? normally the kernel would boot and when it is done booting, hand off control to init
11:50<Raziel>I'm trying to do it manually because I screwed up my crypttab.
11:50<Raziel>lol
11:51<SynrG>i see. so you end up where? crashed and in an initramfs shell?
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11:51<Raziel>Yup
11:51<Osiris_X>can someone help me understand how wine-unstable 1.5.29-1 has been packaged. Do we no longer need all the component libwine-*-unstable packages installed?
11:51<Raziel>So I unlock sda5 with the other key, call init again which manages to mount root somewhat, and did chroot to the new root
11:51<Raziel>Oh, and remount root for rw before chroot
11:51<Raziel>because it only managed to mount r automatically.
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11:53<Raziel>Aaand I modified crypttab with the proper key path, but I need to update initramfs to get it to load the new one on boot
11:53<SynrG>Raziel: somewhere in the initscripts will be the sequence of steps it takes to set things up so it can finally run /sbin/init, plus the call to it, itself ... i guess manual recovery would involve examination of those scripts and performing whatever needs to be done from what you learn from looking at them
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11:54<SynrG>sounds tricky, and i'm not sure that, without looking inside a crashed system myself, i could advise you where to look or what to type :/
11:55<wompa>yinglei, as root: service exim4 stop|start
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11:56<wolfje>Hello
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11:57<wolfje>if i want to install g++ i get this:
11:57<wolfje>Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20130504-14:44'
11:57<wolfje>in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
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11:57<wolfje>What do i need to do?
11:58<sney>remove the cdrom line from sources.list and run apt-get update
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11:58<wolfje>sney: Where can i find that file?
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11:58<sney>/etc/apt
11:58<sney>you must edit it as root
11:58<wompa>yinglei, is your computer directly connected to the Internet or do you have a router or something between?
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11:59<porto>hia, here is location httpd.conf in debian 7?
11:59<porto>on debian 7
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12:00<porto>sorry i read in lamp debian wiki ;)
12:00<wolfje>brb
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12:00<wompa>porto, have you installed a webserver? Apache or Nginx or something?
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12:01<sney>porto, generally in /etc/apache2 if you're doing lamp
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12:01<sney>porto, however, debian uses httpd.conf.d/ with separate configuration files to keep things from getting too confusing
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12:03<daemonkeeper>There is no httpd.conf.d, and httpd.conf is deprecated since Etch and dropped with Jessie.
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12:04<sney>I'm administering 2 apache servers on debian these days and the fact that you're probably right troubles me
12:05<sney>oh, it's just 'conf.d'
12:05<yinglei>wompa, directly connected to internet (has it's own static IP directly accessible from internet - no NAT, no router, no hardware firewall). The exim service is now stopped, thank you.
12:05<daemonkeeper>sney: conf.d is also dropped in Jessie
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12:05<sney>new testing on a production webserver? are you MAD?
12:06<stderr>Ain't we all?
12:06<daemonkeeper>Some are more than others.
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12:26<porto>back
12:27<porto>sney i need to change document root
12:27<porto>to my custom shared directory of virtualbox
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12:28<SynrG>porto: and?
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12:28<porto>and :) in other times i made the change of document root in httpd.conf
12:29<porto>in d7 isn't the same way
12:29<SynrG>but we already answered the question. so what is your problem now?
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12:29<porto>gona check sorry
12:29<SynrG>it's /etc/apache2/conf.d and others there
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12:30<porto>yap like the phpmyadmin.conf
12:30<porto>have a symbolic link
12:30<porto>to the conf
12:30<SynrG>i think you might actually want /etc/apache2/sites-available/
12:30<SynrG>and use a2ensite to enable any new site(s) you add there
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12:31<SynrG>porto: read the a2ensite man page
12:31<porto>hum
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12:32<SynrG>anyway, take your pick. one or the other
12:33<SynrG>if *just* the directory, maybe /etc/apache2/conf.d/ ... but if a whole virtual site, then the other
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12:33<stderr>I'm pretty sure sites-available and a2ensite is the "right" way to do it.
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12:37<daemonkeeper>It is.
12:38<daemonkeeper>Of course you can use conf.d too, if you feel like but I don't see why one wanted to do that.
12:38<porto>yap:D
12:38<porto>too simple
12:38<porto>omg
12:38<porto>:S
12:38<porto>is only a2ensite name
12:38<daemonkeeper>Also, porto, "debian 7" is like any Debian since Sarge in that regard.
12:39<daemonkeeper>Which is 2004 or so?
12:39<porto>and that create file in sites-enable
12:39<porto>with configs
12:39<porto>omg
12:39<porto>:S
12:39<porto>yap
12:39<stderr>No, it creates a link.
12:39<porto>great ;)
12:39<porto>ya
12:39<porto>sorry
12:40<porto>nice
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13:00<yinglei>rpcbind and rpc.statd - what do they do? They run on ports 111,47348,48161,600,968,37181,41878 after default installation and I am trying to close down all ports but ssh.
13:03<stderr>yinglei: Some services run on random ports. If you want to use one of those services, you would first ask rpcbind (which runs on a well-known port) what port you should connect to.
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13:04<stderr>rpc.statd is one of those services. It is used by NFS in case of reboots.
13:04<TobiX>yinglei: NFS uses RPC...
13:05<stderr>Port 111 is rpcbind. The rest is more or less random ports.
13:05<TobiX>Is there anything else left besides NFS that uses unix rpc?
13:05<daemonkeeper>stderr: Which is the reason why NFS is a pain to run behind a firewall.
13:05<yinglei>thank you. I will try to shutdown all those services. Why does debian run so many of them by default? I thought debian was trying to be as secure as possible, and so running fewer services should be more secure, no?
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13:07<TobiX>yinglei: Just remove nfs-common and rpcbind if you don't need NFS
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13:11<yinglei>TobiX: is there any downside to removing nfs-common rpcbind nfs-kernel-server? Except for not being able to use NFS obviously.
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13:11<stderr>TobiX: rstatd, rusersd and rwalld uses RPC too, as far as I can tell.
13:12<stderr>yinglei: You can always install them again, if you need them.
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13:15<TobiX>stderr: Aren't that all pretty obsolete services?
13:15<stderr>No idea. I just know, I don't use them...
13:16<Raziel>I wonder if I can find and edit the script that defines where the usb key is supposed to be and then just re-exec init from initramfs
13:16<Raziel>because I cannot for the life of me mount and boot everything manually
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13:17<yinglei>beautiful - thank you all, now I have only sshd running :)
13:18<stderr>It's much easier to just use a fixed port. Last time I used the Sun RPC-compiler it gave me some invalid C source as output so I had to wrap all calls to that compiler in a small perl script. Yet another pain in the ass...
13:19<bernat>Raziel: wouldn't it work booting from a livecd and configuring the crypted partition there and then fix things?
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13:19<Raziel>Prooobably
13:19<Raziel>If I can update-initramfs from there
13:20<wompa>Raziel, script? It should be in /etc/crypttab if you have such file
13:20<Raziel>Except I'm in initramfs, not the full system
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13:20<wompa>ok
13:21<bernat>Raziel: using a livecd you should be able to chroot and run update-initramfs
13:21<Raziel>Hopefully mounting all of that is easier off a livecd than it is off initramfs
13:21<bernat>not sure about this but I would research it
13:21<Raziel>Well, I did manage to sorta mount it all, but not change to it properly.
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13:22<TobiX>Raziel: You know that the Debian installer has a rescue system which automates almost all of the setup?
13:23<Raziel>The installer is on the live CD version too, right?
13:23<bernat>TobiX: even with crypted partitions?
13:23<TobiX>bernat: Yes
13:23<Raziel>I'll try that then, seems faster/easier
13:24<TobiX>Raziel: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch08s07.html.en
13:24<bernat>Raziel: you should try that
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13:24<TobiX>And "rescue" should really be an alias for "rescue/enable=true" ;)
13:25<Raziel>How2boot parameters?
13:25<Raziel>Actually I can probably just google that...
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13:34<StefCT>Hi, if I wanted to install Debian to an external USB HD, what's the best way to go about it?
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13:44<admin_>is it okay if I want someone to help me troubleshoot a system problem and post lets say, half a screen of shell output to the irc? someone?
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13:46<StefCT>!paste
13:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:47<admin_>thank you sir, I'm doing that right now. Sorry. http://pastebin.com/vCKxh4sE
13:48<admin_>If anyone can help or provide so insight I would be much obliged.
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13:49<StefCT>admin_, did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales?
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13:50<admin_>no stef I have not tried that. Does that address both the output and the error at the end with dpkg?
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13:51<StefCT>I guess it would, but I'm not sure, as I haven't had that problem yet
13:51<StefCT>maybe you should check out http://hexample.com/2012/02/05/fixing-locale-problem-debian/
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13:52<admin_>can you tell what IP address I'm using also pal?
13:53<StefCT>?
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13:53<admin_>what my irc address is? a whois? I'm using hma proxy and want to know that it is working. I tried for the first time the other day and it was, so I want to check again. I haven't got the app binding down yet...u know...
13:54<StefCT>[admin_] (~admin@62.233.41.29): admin
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13:54<admin_>word thanks again. cool I'll check out that link.
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13:59<likendero>hi
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14:01<Murillo>W
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14:02<Murillo>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
14:02<Murillo>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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14:02<Murillo>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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14:02<gnugr>!ops Murillo spam
14:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: Murillo spam
14:02<Murillo>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
14:02<Murillo>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
14:02<Murillo>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
14:02<Murillo>OIEJOIJHTROI
14:02<Murillo>JRO
14:02<Murillo>HFR
14:02<Murillo>RJR
14:02<Murillo>RKR
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14:03<Murillo>RKR
14:03<Murillo>MR
14:03<Murillo>RKR
14:03<Murillo>R
14:03<Murillo>R,R
14:03<Murillo>R,R
14:03<Murillo>R.RE
14:03<Murillo>R,R
14:03<Murillo>R.,R
14:03<Murillo>R.R
14:03<Murillo>R.R
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14:03<Murillo>R,R
14:03<Murillo>R.R
14:03<Murillo>ER
14:03<Murillo>R,RE,RR,
14:03<Murillo>R,R
14:03<gnugr>Ganneff?
14:03<Murillo>R,R
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14:04<TobiX>Most pointless spammer I've ever seen...
14:05<Raziel>Hey TobiX, I'm in the rescue installer with a shell on root, and I mounted usr manually too, and update-initramfs -uv says it has nothing to do
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14:07<TobiX>Raziel: Maybe add "-k all"?
14:08<Raziel>same
14:09<TobiX>Raziel: Which kernels are in /boot?
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14:09<Raziel>apparently none because I forgot to mount boot.
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14:09<Raziel>>_>
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14:16<Raziel>Now when I use -vut it says it fails to create /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_XXXXXX
14:16<Raziel>is tmp supposed to be mounted under /var/tmp?
14:16*Raziel is obviously new at this.
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14:18<Raziel>Noope, var is supposed to be mounted under var.
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14:22<Raziel>Aaand it works!
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14:38<stderr>At home I got a NFS-server and want to mount one of the dirs from that NFS-server on my laptop. Since it's a laptop, I'm using "noauto,user" as mount options in /etc/fstab. Unfortunately this enables noexec too. I have tried to add "exec" to the mount options, but that doesn't help. Any ideas?
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14:41<ecc>stderr: did you add "exec" after "user" (see "man mount")
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14:42<stderr>I have tried a couple of things, so I think I have tried both before and after.
14:43<ecc>and what does "mount" show once it's mounted?
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14:44<stderr>With "noauto,user,exec" in /etc/fstab: rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,vers=3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,mountaddr=172.16.4.1,mountvers=3,mountport=907,mountproto=udp,local_lock=none,addr=172.16.4.1
14:44<yinglei>OK, I seem to not have done things as completely as I would have thought - how do I stop a service and make sure it stays stopped after a system restart?
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14:45<stderr>yinglei: man update-rc.d
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14:47<ecc>stderr: you did unmount and re-mount it, right? what are the exportfs options on the NFS server?
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14:48<stderr>Yes. rw,sync,subtree_check,no_root_squash
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14:49<yinglei>stderr: thank you, I was looking for which of the two(?) startup systems debian7 uses
14:50<ecc>Hmm. Does it work OK when you don't specify "user", and do the mount as root?
14:52<stderr>Yes. (But with "user" it doesn't work, even when I try as root...)
14:52<ecc>running out of ideas :-) same problem for nfs4 and nfs3? anything in the logs?
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14:53<elcot>hi
14:53-!-MetreM [~Romain@mea77-5-88-181-139-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
14:53<elcot>i know only english
14:54<wompa>English is the official language here
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14:54<elcot>may i know about xchat
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14:55<wompa>elcot, be more specific
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14:56<elcot>what is debain
14:57<ecc>stderr: you seem to have rediscovered http://bugs.debian.org/657497
14:57<elcot>anybody ans me
14:57<stderr>ecc: WTF?! I have been editing /etc/fstab, so naturally I have tried mount'ing as root too and it didn't work. I just tried with "noauto,user,exec" as myself and it works.
14:58<elcot>ok bye
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14:58<Au_Secours>Bonjour
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14:58<wompa>hello
14:59<Au_Secours>J'ai un petit pb sur debian et je panique. J'ai viré mon vista aujourd'hui d'un de mes pc pour le passer sous debian 7. Jusqu'à là ok, sauf qu'en supprimant un logiciel, je me retrouve sur un écran noir (shell?) d'ou je ne peux pas sortir
14:59<Au_Secours>Ca me demande mon login et pswd et après rien
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14:59<wompa>!fr
14:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
14:59<Au_Secours>Ok thanks :)
14:59<wompa>no problem
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15:00<stderr>ecc: Way too much text in that bug-report. :-) And it works when I try as my normal user, so whatever. :-)
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15:02<lancien>wompa, cquoi ton ik?
15:02<wompa>lancien, I can only read English (and Swedish)
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15:03<lancien>:)
15:03<lancien>sorruy
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15:06<wompa>lancien, no problem, I suppose that was Dutch? There is a #debian-nl channel if you were looking for that..
15:06<lancien>:)
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15:38<melancholia>hi, anyone alive can spare some minutes ?
15:39<Cor3>just ask
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15:48<melancholia>well, dunno if is a problem with some config on my system or if is a bug
15:49<melancholia>but after adding multiarch to make it so I can run a certain program, that don't run properly
15:49<melancholia>wheezy amd64
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15:51<melancholia>I heard that is possible to edit the exec file x86, but that is ankward for me
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15:52<yinglei>Is "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" an error or not?
15:53<melancholia>yinglei: you're asking me ?
15:54<yinglei>sorry, not you :)
15:54<melancholia>oh ok, since didn't saw you joined I was in doubt
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15:55<melmothX_>yinglei: why should it be an error?
15:56<melancholia>what is really weird is the fact that the program worked so well in squeeze
15:56<melancholia>same machine
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15:56<yinglei>melmothX_: I am trying to disable services from starting at boot using update-rd.d, I would have expected some output like "OK" or "DONE" or "service removed", but not "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing"
15:57<yinglei>I simply have no idea what it means ;)
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15:57<wompa>melancholia, what program? Also, people tend to ask the channel, not single persons - if you don't know you don't have to help
15:58<melancholia>wompa: I wasn't sure if the question was regarding my problem if I make my self clear enough
15:58<wompa>ok
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15:59<melancholia>the program is called Enemy Territory and the problem is in resolution don't use full screen
16:01<wompa>but it runs?
16:01<melancholia>runs normally no issues
16:01<melancholia>apart from screen is in 4:3
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16:06<CSH>Hi all. Who can help me wits one problem?
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16:06<wompa>melancholia, what graphics driver do you use?
16:06<melancholia>wompa: nvidia
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16:07<wompa>CSH, maybe the persons who read your question, which is still to be asked
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16:08<wompa>melancholia, maybe need to install 32 bit Nvidia driver, but I don't know how to do that with multiarch
16:08<melancholia>http://paste.debian.net/10754/
16:08<melancholia>I think already is
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16:09<CSH>I got Live USB debian (for x32). What the password for "Debian live user"?
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16:09<wompa>melancholia, only libgl1-nvidia-glx is for i386, I don't know if it is sufficient
16:10<melancholia>wompa: well in squeeze I didn't need 32 bit driver either
16:10<melancholia>I don't know if that is recommended really
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16:10<wompa>ok
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16:11<wompa>in Squeeze it was probably because of ia32-libs doing some work
16:12<wompa>CSH, there shouldn't be a password, but did you try "live"?
16:12<melancholia>wompa: yeah I did install some of those, some1 yesterday point out that I should install ia32-libs
16:12<melancholia>But isn't possible
16:13<CSH>That's wok! Thank you, wompa!
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16:14<wompa>melancholia, no, it shouldn't be. Multiarch makes ia32-libs obsolete
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16:15<melancholia>wompa: this is regarding to ET but I'm starting to think that problems may occur in other programms
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16:16<melancholia>today I saw one french user complaining about skype in multiarch
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16:20<melancholia>wompa: anyway thank you for your time
16:21<wompa>Incidentally, I only see proprietary software still stuck in 32bit world, Skype, Steam, and ET (which is a 10 year old game and hasn't got an update for 7-8 years so I didn't expect much)
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16:22<wompa>melancholia, np
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16:23<TobiX>wompa: I find it kind of awesome that games from 10 years ago still run on modern Debian, something you can't say for some games on Windows 7...
16:24<TobiX>melancholia: Maybe you need libgl1-nvidia-alternatives:i386?
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16:25<stephan48>i got a bridge containing eth0 and some vm interfaces, now i want to do a vlan, forwarding packets from a wlan ap via vlan to the server, i enabled vlan tagging on the ap and a eth0.vlanid interface on the debian server, but no packets are received, i didnt check if the switches in between forward vlan tagged packets yet, could the bridging interfer with vlans?
16:25<TobiX>melancholia: Can you check which libGL* are in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/
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16:26<melancholia>TobiX: sure
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16:27<stephan48>nvm, i think i just found out my switches dont support vlan forwarding
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16:28<TobiX>melancholia: Oh, and run "sudo update-alternatives --config glx" and make sure it points to nvidia (which it should)
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16:30<melancholia>TobiX: indeed it points
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16:32<melancholia>TobiX: u meant /usr/lib32 above right ?
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16:32<TobiX>melancholia: Uhm, /usr/lib32 should not exist on multi-arch...
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16:33<melancholia>TobiX: so multiarch is badly configured
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16:36<melancholia>?
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16:36<TobiX>melancholia: Is there a libGL* in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ or not?
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16:38<antonio>Ciao!
16:38<wompa>hello
16:38<antonio>hello!
16:38<melancholia>Tobix: yes, LibGL.so
16:38<melancholia>I remember isntall it
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16:40<TobiX>melancholia: It should be a symlink to /etc/alternatives/<something>, correct?
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16:41<melancholia>TobiX: yeh the're there too
16:42<TobiX>melancholia: Hmm, sounds correct to me...
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16:43<melancholia>I really don't have a clue what is causing this!
16:44<melancholia>I do know that system points to some x86 libraries not needed
16:44<TobiX>melancholia: Could you try installing mesa-utils:i386 and running glxinfo and pasting the output to paste.debian.net?
16:45<melancholia>Squeeze was really so smooth full with gnome2 and now Wheezy can be heavy cleaner with XFCE
16:46<melancholia>I know that people do this for free, mostly but still...
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16:46<melancholia>TobiX: no problem
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16:50<melancholia>TobiX: here it is: http://paste.debian.net/10758/
16:51<TobiX>melancholia: Looks fine. I really don't know. Might be a bug in the newer Nvidia driver?!?
16:52<melancholia>TobiX: I was a bit suprised about this driver being used in this card really as is a bit old already
16:52<melancholia>maybe try directly from nvidia ?
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16:57<TobiX>melancholia: Well, if you do that you are on your own... And I would not expect it to be fixed (if it is a driver bug)
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16:58<melancholia>Tobix: we're are on our own too right ?
16:58<bernat>melancholia: I play games with the nvidia driver without problems
16:58<bernat>what's your problem
16:58<bernat>?
16:59<melancholia>TobiX: some experienced users say is better to get directly form nvidia so go figger
16:59<melancholia>bernart: can you scroll up please ?
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16:59<melancholia>oops
16:59<melancholia>bernat:
16:59<bernat>I did but I don't see any output messages
17:00<bernat>did I miss anything?
17:00<melancholia>bernat: what output messages you need ?
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17:00<bernat>is the game not running or your only problem is not going fullscreen?
17:01<wompa>the latter
17:01<melancholia>bernat: that's why I told you to scroll up please, as I stated that already
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17:02<melancholia>or maybe u joined meanwhile, in any case aplologises as I closed the window by mistake while ago
17:03<bernat>I think I've read all your messages
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17:06<bernat>if your only problem is fullscreen mode the problem might lie between your desktop software and libraries shipped with the game
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17:09<yinglei>Wish me luck, I am setting up iptables through ssh
17:10-!-mode/#debian [+l 588] by debhelper
17:10<daemonkeeper>That, or implement a dead man's handle.
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17:11<melancholia>bernat: for the moment I haven't really desktop software apart from security
17:13<melancholia>some xfce utilities too, but I can't see the connection
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17:14<piper>melancholia: experienced users say is better to get directly form nvidia -- I disagree with this and have seen it cause more harm then good in debian (sid)
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17:15<piper>all i do is - apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 nvidia-settings and it gives me GLX Version: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 319.17
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17:16<yinglei>What is the difference between these:iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
17:16<yinglei>iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
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17:16<melancholia>piper: sure, I was just poiting a possibilty because there's no a reasonable explanation, and I do remember users using backports for nvidia in squeeze
17:18<TobiX>yinglei: btw: Take a look at ferm, it supports restoring iptables rules if you made a mistake ;)
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17:18<daemonkeeper>As said, a poor man's dead man handle: screen ; sleep 500 ; iptables -F; ctrl+a+d; $hack
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17:21<TobiX>yinglei: Those might be equivalent. Looks like ctstate is newer and has more options, I would use that...
17:21<daemonkeeper>Though conntrack eats lots of resources.
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17:22<yinglei>TobiX: That's what I am finding now too, but with no "confirmation". I suppose I should go and ask people in #iptables on freenode.
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17:22<TobiX>yinglei: http://serverfault.com/questions/358996/iptables-whats-the-difference-between-m-state-and-m-conntrack ...
17:25<yinglei>yeah, I am a bit worried that they say the state module has been removed in newer kernels - but they provide no reference...
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17:28<TobiX>yinglei: I just checked: Both rules are handled by the xt_conntrack kernel module
17:28<TobiX>yinglei: On Kernel 3.9 (Debian unstable)
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17:32<yinglei>ok, so use conntrack from now on
17:33<yinglei>is that rule even necessary? I don't really know what it does iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
17:34<Calinou><melancholia> the program is called Enemy Territory and the problem is in resolution don't use full screen
17:34<Calinou>tip: don't waste your time, you'll spend most of your time being kicked by punkbuster because of outdated PB
17:34<Calinou>play another game
17:34<Calinou>(noone goes to PB-less servers, sadly)
17:34<Calinou>not to mention PB is a spyware :P
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17:38<melancholia>Calinou: Do you realise that can have some friends there ? Sure we can chat in forums and so, But it's great to have a larf at the weekends.
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17:39<Calinou>oh
17:39<melancholia>And most important is understand why things don't work
17:39<melancholia>Oh don't work --> garbage
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17:43<daemonkeeper>melancholia: Don't waste your time to de-troll Calinou
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17:45<piper>melancholia: you can play without punkbuster with ET: Legacy (punkbuster servers) and +1 daemonkeeper - de-troll Calinou
17:45<enis>selem alikoum
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17:58<bernat>alternatives in Debian for Bombono and Avidemux?
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18:06<heini>hi - i am aware tht sid is "still in developemnt" it would be nice you would spare me you should use stable ...
18:07<heini>anyways kde / gnome / e17 / gnome-terminal just sopped working today after an dist-upgrade
18:07<heini>are there other people with similar problems?
18:08<daemonkeeper>You really need to be more concrete than that.
18:08<heini>i am not sure which pkg is causing the pain but i think that it might be x related as all the other stuff works and my laptop that was updated yesterday stillw orks
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18:09<heini>daemonkeeper: gnome-terminal seems to be in a endless loop locking/unlocking with pthread_mutex
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18:09<bernat>heini: there must be some error message in the logs
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18:13<heini>bernat: nothing useful really:(
18:15<heini>Xorg itself seems to work
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18:15<heini>blackbox and xterm work
18:15<heini>so does firefox
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18:16<heini>there is nothing in syslog/messages
18:17<heini>and the terminal where i start the server and the Xorg*log look ok as well
18:18<heini>bernat: do you have some idea what i can to localize the problem?
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18:18<heini>debugging windows manager is ugly is i thought that looking ant gnome terminal might help
18:20<piper>hmm, i run kde (4.10.4) in sid (siduction), last du was about 6 hours ago, no problems
18:24<heini>nvidia card?
18:24<heini>are you able to lauchne gnome-terminal?
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18:25<heini>piper: ill install xdm/kdm to check maybe i messed the xinit-kde up:) usually i just jstart e17 or an xserver with an xterm for gaming:P
18:26<piper>heini: yes, i use nvidia GLX Version: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 319.17
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18:27<piper>heini: but, not from the nv website
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18:28<piper>heini: no gnome here, sorry, won't install it either ;)
18:30<heini>piper: so you use the debian nvidia-dkms?
18:30<piper>heini: yes
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18:31<heini>i have not looked at the versions ... ah ok:) same here
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18:32<piper>experimental probably has a more recent nv driver, but, this is good enough for right now (skyrim, half-life2, etc)
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18:36<zeus>hi all, i'm trying to configure munin. I'm following this tutorial http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/CgiHowto2#Apache . All works ok, but the apache configuration section configure the munin at http://munin.myserver.com i'd like to configure it as http://myserver.com/munin. Can anyone help me please in tweaking the apache configuration please? i'm not an apache expert. Please help me!!!
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18:37<heini>piper: is there something like a kde base/minimal package?
18:37<heini>i do not want network-manager and all the other crap
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18:40<piper>heini: probably a better place to ask that would be in #debian-kde, as I build my own version of siduction, i don't use network-manager and it is not default at siduction iirc
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18:41<heini>what is siduction?
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18:42<piper>heini: not good to talk about it here, this is debian siduction is based on debian sid (100% compatible) thats all i am saying on this channel
18:43<piper>google is your friend
18:43<piper>or might not be
18:43<piper>depending on your veiw
18:44<heini>piper: does it directly use the sid mirror?
18:44<piper>yes
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18:48<overo>zeus: there are a few ways to do that
18:48<zeus>overo: thank you for repling me ...
18:48<zeus>overo: how can i do this ?
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18:49<overo>the easiest way is to put a http redirect at http://myserver.com/munin
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18:51<overo>zeus: but that may not be possible or desirable depends what you want
18:52<zeus>i can't use the munin.myserver.com because it costs money to get a new second level domain. so i can't use the redirect solution.
18:53<overo>http://munin.myserver.com and http://myserver.com/munin are the same server?
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18:54<overo>I mean, is the munin server already serving http://myserver.com/
18:54<zeus>yes. but i can't use http://munin.myserver.com (money problems)
18:54<zeus>overo, yes, it's already serving
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18:58<overo>change munin.myserver.com to myserver.com in the httpdconf and go from there
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19:01<zeus>ok, done. and now ?
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19:05<overo>restart apache and try it. If it doesn't work, put errors and httd.conf (and other confs) on http://paste.debian.net
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19:08<zeus>overo: now the whole munin page is ok when i access to http://myserver.com ,but if i go to myserver.com/munin i get a Forbidden error
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19:08<zeus>access.log reports "GET /munin HTTP/1.1" 301 563"
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19:09<zeus>i think this append because i have to tell apache that all cgi stuff must be executed only if i ask for myserver.com/munin
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19:12<heini>piper: kde works
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19:12<piper>heini: good to hear, not a gnome fan can't help there ;)
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19:13<musca>,why kde-plasma-desktop network-manager
19:14<judd>No dependency chain found between packages kde-plasma-desktop and network-manager in wheezy/i386.
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19:17<tiguerv8>who is this
19:17<tiguerv8>who is this????
19:17<haylo>you can use wicd, wicd-curses or wireless tools in place of nm , but network-managers nm-applet is the device that many panels utilize to provide a connectivityinterface
19:17<musca>hello tiguerv8, this is debian support
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19:18<tiguerv8>thanks
19:19<musca>your welcome, just ask your questions.
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19:21<tiguerv8>i used ubuntu not debian bye
19:21<musca>have fun.
19:21<piper>ouch
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19:23<haylo>what a pleasant exchange :D
19:23<piper>always is ;)
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19:33<heini>somebody using gnome && sid
19:34<piper>heini: try #debian-next
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19:42<yinglei>Which method is the debian7 recommended way of saving iptables rules? load using /etc/network/interfaces ?
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19:48<heini>iptables-save?
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19:49<heini>yinglei: you could wirte some firewall bridge wahtever script and put in in init.d
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19:49<heini>it in
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20:43<bessel>How to watch netflix on debian?
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20:47<careet>bessel - no way to do so as of yet, unless you want to run a virtual machine or something
20:49<careet>The reason being that Microsoft's Silverlight, the plugin that Netflix uses, has DRM built in, which isn't really philosophicall in-line with Debian's mantra. There may be another way around it that I'm not aware of, though. But that was the case a few months ago when I last looked into it.
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20:51<bessel>careet: thanks
20:51<bessel>careet: I can totally see it is against debian's mantra :)
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20:52<careet>For sure - it bugs me too!
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22:31<toru>does apparmor break when the kernel is updated? for some reason it doesn't seem to be enforcing anything for me.
22:31<toru>I just noticed it right after this recent update.
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22:45<wardhan>is our website down ? since yesterday i am unable to access it. only http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ , /wheezy are visible.
22:46<wardhan>when i ping it shows the following : 64 bytes from senfl.debian.org (128.31.0.51): icmp_seq=1 ttl=41 time=303 ms
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22:55<adamm>wardhan: fine here.
22:56<themill>packages.d.o is multiple machines and the database hasn't been happy for a while
22:57<jalalsfs>How can I upgrade one package, I know this 'aptitude safe-upgrade' but this for all the system how can I upgrade specific package?
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23:00<themill>jalalsfs: you can aptitude upgrade $packagename. I assume you're not mixing wheezy and jessie/sid here....
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23:02<jalalsfs>themill, No, but I add backports for mozilla, but I don't know why it needs to remove some important packages https://paste.debian.net/10794/
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23:03<hagom>does somebody know how to fix this bug in apt-build?
23:03<hagom>Missing source package name for source_by_source()
23:03<themill>I don't think it's iceweasel that's causing them to be removed
23:04<themill>oh... no, chmsee does depend on that version of xulrunner.
23:05<jalalsfs>themill, The most important is ia32 because I use skype.
23:05<themill>jalalsfs: hmm.. you should be able to keep chmsee installed.
23:06<themill>jalalsfs: is ia32-libs marked as automatically installed?
23:06<hagom>does somebody know how to fix this bug in apt-build?
23:06<hagom>Missing source package name for source_by_source()
23:06<jalalsfs>themill, No, but skype depends on it.
23:07<themill>I assume you mean "requires" rather than "Depends", otherwise aptitude would have wanted to remove skype too
23:07<adamm>jalalsfs: ia32-libs are obsolete. You are suppose to install 32-bit version of libraries from 32-bit archive.
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23:08<jalalsfs>themill, Yes, you're right.
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23:09<jalalsfs>adamm, Yes, and skype requires that libraries.
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23:10<SamB>!multiarch
23:10<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. See also <multi-arch installer>.
23:10<SamB>jalalsfs: try that
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23:11<themill>that's already set up -- it might be that skype's .deb is now depending on the libraries it needs so you don't need the ia32-libs metapackage to set it all up
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23:11<jalalsfs>SamB, Thank you, I don't have problem with this,
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23:13<miodrag>good morning
23:13<miodrag>i have problem with no sound in debian wheezy lxde
23:13<themill>jalalsfs: add "libnspr4-0d" to that aptitude install command
23:13<themill>and libnspr4, actually
23:14<miodrag>seems that alsa driver have chosen hdmi as default card, question is how to change default card in lxde?
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23:15<adamm>miodrag: it is not lxde, but alsa. You can edit ~/.asoundrc to set your default output to correct one, but I find those settings convoluted as hell.
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23:15<jalalsfs>themill, I'm install aptitude install libnspr4-0d
23:15<themill>jalalsfs: no, aptitude install -t wheezy-backports iceweasel libnspr4-0d libnspr4
23:16<miodrag>adamm, can you please guide me trought it as i am new to linux
23:16<adamm>miodrag: for example, I have the following settings to set default *to* HDMI.
23:16<adamm>miodrag: pcm.!default "hdmi:1,1"
23:16<adamm>miodrag: ctr.!default "hdmi:1,1"
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23:16<adamm>miodrag: you can change the stuff in quotes to the device you want as default.
23:17<jalalsfs>themill, Now look https://paste.debian.net/10795/ I only install libnspr4-0d is that all right?
23:17<miodrag>where this .asoundrc can be found?
23:18<adamm>miodrag: it is ~/.asoundrc
23:18<adamm>your home directory. The file does not exist by default, it has to be created
23:18<themill>jalalsfs: looks fine now
23:19<adamm>miodrag: your ALSA devices can be listed with things like `aplay -L`
23:19<miodrag>i have error creating - permition denier
23:20<miodrag>denied*
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23:21<adamm>cd ~; editor .asoundrc
23:21<miodrag>from terminal - no file manager?
23:21<adamm>Or you can install something like `jack` that has more graphical way of managing these things.
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23:24<miodrag>adamm, ok i got somewhere with editor
23:25<miodrag>iaplay -L gives me following
23:25<miodrag>http://paste.debian.net/10796/
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23:26<miodrag>adamm, what do i put inside quotes?
23:26<adamm>well, that says default is not HDMI for you, but the HDA ATI onboard device.
23:27<miodrag>check this out
23:28<miodrag>http://paste.debian.net/10797/
23:28<jalalsfs>themill, I don't know how to thank you, I’m very much obliged to you.
23:29<themill>go fix a release critical bug!
23:29<miodrag>adamm, i cant understand - alsa is picking real card to be third, where 1st is hdmi and 2nd webcam
23:30<adamm>miodrag: You can just place one of the devices like "front:CARD=SB,DEV=0" to replace default. But your system could be using pulse audio by default. Don't know.
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23:30<miodrag>adam, by debian wiki article on alsa troubleshooting says "1. Force the cards to load in a different order. I chose this route, and added the following to my /etc/modprobe.d/sound: "
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23:31<miodrag>but i cant find that file at all
23:32<adamm>that would be another file, and deals with kernel modules. The ~/.asoundrc deals with ALSA directly.
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23:32<adamm>You can change your default device in ~/.asoundrc directly, like `pcm.!default "front:CARD=SB,DEV=0"` should work (without the ` :)
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23:35<miodrag>adamm, it works!
23:35<miodrag>thanks very much
23:35<adamm>good :)
23:36<miodrag>setuped to optical
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23:48<default_user>hey there - I'm sure everyone's going to roll their eyes big time at this one, but embarassingly... I can't figure out how to use the command "sudo" on my new xfce installation of Jessie for PowerPC
23:49<default_user>Like, say I wanted to "sudo gedit" in terminal... I get "command not found" for sudo
23:49<default_user>Is the terminology actually different, or am I retarded in some other respect?
23:49<adamm>default_user: apt-get install sudo
23:50<default_user>haha really? wow, I didn't even know sudo was something to be installed... eternally a noob, I guess. Thanks, adamm!
23:50<adamm>np
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23:51<default_user>adamm: sorry, I return the lines "sudo set to manually installed", and it also tells me it's at its newest version. Hmm
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23:52<default_user>Is there a way to use it that I'm not seeing, or like... a way to manually install it, or whatever it needs? Oy...
23:53<adamm>default_user: can you run sudo at all? It should be in /usr/bin/sudo.
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23:53<careet>Just for kicks, try re-running some sudo command after that maybe
23:54<default_user>adamm: it's there! I also just tried sudo apt-get update and everything worked, false alarm. Weird though, but thanks very much for the help!
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23:59<default_user>annnnnd my wifi works! fuck this Broadcom firmware stuff the old-school PPC Apple iBooks need >:(
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