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---Logopened Mon Jun 17 00:00:09 2013
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00:06<default-user>No one knows offhand whether or not there's a utility similar to memtest that I might be able to add to the yaboot boot loader on a PowerPC machine, do they? My Google-fu is failing me
00:07<adamm>default_user: there is userland memtest you can run from within linux. Just boot to single user mode and run it. Slightly more memory not tested, but it should get most of it (95+%) covered.
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00:08<adamm>memtester - Utility for testing the memory subsystem
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00:08<SamB>adamm: but can it tell you which memory is bad if some fails?
00:08<default-user>adamm: ahh alright, very cool. I'll use that for now - just worried about thing thing suddenly going SHTF on me, haha
00:08<adamm>it will tell you the address
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00:09<default-user>Ahh alright. This guy's got a single DIMM with like 512Mb of onboard RAM. Weird setup.
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00:22<wardhan>adamm: i have sent an email to my isp. i have installed midori & it has same issue. can i contact any person in other channel regarding the issue ?
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00:26<adamm>wardhan: You can try something like `traceroute senfl.debian.org` and see if there is some issue somewhere.
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00:31<wardhan>there are astreik marks on 2 locations out of 18. does it mean it is not proper ?
00:31<adamm>not really
00:32<adamm>by ping, it may tell you where the bottleneck is
00:32<bullgard4>In https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Disk_Layout#Inode_Table is __le16 a "size". Where can I find a definition for __le16?
00:32<wardhan>the output is http://pastebin.com/j4QAGUJJ
00:33<adamm>bullgard4: le16 is probably like low endien 16-bit? kind of makes sense since it uses 2 offset
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00:35<adamm>wardhan: your bottleneck is between 3 and 4
00:35<bullgard4>adamm: Are you suggesting that "__le16" is a short-hand for "Little Endian 16 bits wide"?
00:36<adamm>bullgard4: yes
00:36<bullgard4>adamm: Thank you.
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00:37<wardhan>adamm: thank you.
00:38<adamm>np
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01:27<epsion>anyone try to use etoileos
01:27<epsion>?
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01:29<epsilon>debian hurd fans here?
01:31<epsilon>who would like to port hurd to arm arch?
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01:40<cae>W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_wheezy_updates_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch <-- that stays after apt-get clean, the said file is "bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k"
01:41<themill>cae: delete the file it mentions and try again
01:41<cae>themill: I'll try, thanks
01:43<cae>themill: works. Strange, never happened to me
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02:21<tkl>Hello
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03:12<mecheware1959>anyone in here knows how to start the new avlinux 6.0.1 from the usb stick or drive?
03:12<Infiltrator>mecheware1959: What's avlinux?
03:13<mecheware1959>it's a audio visual distribution of linux
03:14<Apollo>and not debian
03:14<Infiltrator>!debian
03:14<dpkg>methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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03:14<Infiltrator>Hm.
03:14<mecheware1959>yes it's debian
03:14<Apollo>No, it's not
03:14<Infiltrator>!tell mecheware1959 about not debian
03:15<mecheware1959>I was told that it was made on Debain platform
03:15<mecheware1959>the last release was\
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03:16<Apollo>mecheware1959: it's a derivative, it is not debian
03:16<Raziel>well so is ubuntu, but you don't see ubuntu users coming in here asking for help!
03:16<Apollo>therefore we don't support it here
03:16<Raziel>(thank god for that)
03:16<Apollo>Raziel: well, you do actually :P
03:16<Raziel>Well
03:16<Raziel>Damn.
03:16<Raziel>XD
03:17<mecheware1959>but you support linux, right
03:17<Apollo>mecheware1959: we only support Debian
03:17<Raziel>Avlinux apparently has no irc channel of itself
03:18<Raziel>"Aug 1, 2011 - 2 posts - 2 authors
03:18<Raziel>There is no IRC Channel simply because AV Linux has a large community and a small development team"
03:18<Raziel>No, I don't know how that makes sense. But yeah
03:18<themill>mecheware1959: you could try ##linux on irc.freenode.net for generic linux support
03:18<mecheware1959>so what's wrong with asking for help?
03:18<mecheware1959>all I ask was a simple question?
03:19<Apollo>jesus...
03:19*Raziel hides behind Apollo
03:19<Apollo>mecheware1959: we. do. not. support. avlinux
03:19<themill>mecheware1959: the answer from us is "we don't know" and "we only support debian in #debian (the clue is in the name)"
03:20<themill>!Avlinux
03:20<dpkg>AV Linux (formerly A/V Linux) is a Live DVD distribution based on Debian <testing>. It specializes in multimedia content creation using realtime-patched kernels. AV Linux is not supported in #debian. Support forum: http://geekconnection.org/remastersys/forums/index.php?board=20.0 . http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html See also <based on debian>.
03:20<mecheware1959>enough say, talk about user friendly? man
03:21<themill>mecheware1959: I don't know which bit of "we don't know" isn't clear. Most of the people in this channel haven't even heard of avlinux... this being the debian channel and all...
03:22<mecheware1959>sorry my bad.
03:23<mecheware1959>Thank you dpkg
03:25<Infiltrator>mecheware1959: The thing is that whatever we say may not be the way that avlinux does things. You can take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb to get some ideas; but I have no idea how much, if at all, it applies to avlinux.
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03:29<sebastiaan>hi all
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03:40<peter1138>hmm, can't install openssh-server without openssh-client :(
03:41<themill>correct. sshd needs to create keys too
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03:49<azagael>hello, i have dropbox installed on wheezy. when i click the dropbox icon nothing happens. anybody know why?
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04:10<bullgard4>'~$ apt-cache show task-desktop; Description-en: Debian desktop environment. This task package is used to install the Debian desktop." Where can I find an authoritative definition of the term »task package«? A Google search using "A task package is a " at site:debian.org did not enlighten me.
04:11<themill>dpkg: tell bullgard4 about tasksel
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04:39<bullgard4>themill: This output of {dpkg} does not even mention the term »task package«. So my question remains: "How is a task package defined?W
04:39<bullgard4>s/W/"
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04:41<themill>I don't think it's a huge leap to go from a task being defined as "a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task" and the output of apt-cache show task-desktop showing you a collection of packages that would be installed by installing that task to the answer to your question
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04:57<danlii>I'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but still... I migrated a web site from a CentOS 5 machine to a Debian 7 machine, apache2 and stuff. There is a Java applet that used to run on the old machine, but it refuses to load on the new one, it just says "ClassNotFoundException" when it tries to load on a client with Java 7 - however, it works with Java 6... I'm not very good at web server stuff, so I would appreciate all help I can get. :(
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05:02<bernat>danlii: I guess the applet is running on a client machine, not the server
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05:18<bullgard4>azagael: May be you wil find a hint in ~/.xsession-errors.
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05:19<bullgard4>s/wil/will/
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05:25<pumpi>hello. I am using debian-live for building a custom iso at the moment. I wonder how I can set the wallpaper, e.g. which config file I have to edit to set the default wallpaper. could you help me?
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05:26<devil>pumpi: you should probably ask in #debian-live
05:27<SynrG>no
05:27<pumpi>:-D they gave me the advice that this would be a debian-question and to ask here.
05:27<SynrG>he's asking the wrong question
05:27<SynrG>pumpi: don't present it as a debian live question. i told you what to do.
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05:27<SynrG>it's not a live-specific question. solve the non-live-specific question first
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05:28<pumpi>oh, this is also a little bit tactically :-)
05:28<SynrG>*then* if you can't put it in your live config, ask us
05:28<SynrG>it's nothing to do with tactics. it has to do with asking the right question.
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05:28<SynrG>i told you that you want to solve the *general* problem of how to write a config to set a user's wallpaper first.
05:28<SynrG>that's the question you need to ask
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05:29<SynrG>"how do i, in gnome3, write a config for to set a user's wallpaper?"
05:29<SynrG>s/for//
05:29<pumpi>ok, you are right. this is really a cool question. So I would like to repeat it:
05:29<pumpi>"how do i, in gnome3, write a config for to set a user's wallpaper?"
05:30<pumpi>thanks ;-)
05:30<pumpi>I am learning
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05:31<SynrG>in the case of gnome3, i have a bit of a problem with this one because dconf writes its stuff into a binary blob
05:31<SynrG>i think this is a step backwards :p
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05:32<pumpi>I also wanted to force the fallback-mode anyhow
05:32<SynrG>now, there are system text files (schemas) used to set defaults ...
05:32<pumpi>system text files sounds great ;-)
05:32<SynrG>but afaik these are not conf files
05:32<peter1138>hmm, how can i get changelogs for a package without installing it?
05:33<pumpi>could you tell me concretly how?
05:33<SynrG>a few months back i was looking at a bug that had to do with this problem (the general problem of setting gnome settings, not the specific one of wallpapers) ...
05:34<SynrG>i no longer remember the specific bug# nor the doc it referred to
05:34<SynrG>hence i referred you here
05:34<devil>peter1138: packages.d.o
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05:35<peter1138>that doesn't appear to include packages in security updates
05:35<zardoc>list, rooms of BRasil
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05:37<zardoc>anyone have a list of rooms in Brazil?
05:37<SynrG>pumpi: found it. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=706587
05:37<SynrG>pumpi: so, this is not a specific set of instructions to solve your problem, but rather another instance of the same problem.
05:37<SynrG>same *class* of problems, i mean
05:38<peter1138>(e.g. on squeeze, libkrb5-3 1.8.3+dfsg-4squeeze7 is installable, but p.d.o. lists *squeeze6
05:38<peter1138>)
05:38<zardoc>wanted to know a list of rooms that speak Portuguese
05:38<devil>!pt
05:38<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
05:39<devil>that one does, maybe they know more
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05:39<zardoc>THANKS :)
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05:40<SynrG>pumpi: that is, there is probably some schema file that contains the default background setting (sorry, i don't know what it is) and you can probably make a .schema.override file in the same dir that sets a different default background.
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05:40<SynrG>pumpi: see the speakup patch from #705599 that is linked in that bug for ideas.
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05:42<SynrG>now, maybe there is some easier way to do this with config files that i am simply unaware of ...
05:42<SynrG>the advantage to taking the discussion here is we get to draw from a broader base of potential helpers, since this problem really has nothing to do with debian-live
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07:51<sesank23>wine
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07:55<sesank23>hi devil
07:55<sesank23>I am trying to install wine in debian
07:55<sesank23>as i want to use
07:55<sesank23>ms Excel application
07:56<sesank23>for official purpose
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07:57<sesank23>shpuld i install Windows API binary loader or standard suite
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07:59<sesank23>!hi
07:59<dpkg>hello, sesank23
08:00<towo`>sesank23, you have a 64bit debian installed?
08:00<sesank23>I am trying to install wine in debian
08:00<sesank23>32 bit
08:00<sesank23>@towo
08:00<towo`>then apt-get install wine should work
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08:05<sesank23>@ towo
08:05<sesank23>so scripts for handling many A CPI events
08:06<sesank23>is present in add or remove softwares
08:06<sesank23>shpuld dat be instaled
08:06<towo`>what?
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08:06<sesank23>should*
08:06<trippeh>How to permanently disable 70-persistent-net.rules properly on wheezy? There is no user control over if the generator should run anymore?
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08:08<trippeh>Hm. Can appearantly create a fake symlink to /dev/null
08:08<tel0s>hi all, I need to install libgtk2 32 bit libraries, alongside the x64 libraries
08:08<sesank23>!hi
08:08<dpkg>hello, sesank23
08:09<tel0s>as I need to run jd-gui, and the only release for linux is i386.
08:09<sesank23>@dpkg Can I know how to install wine in debean
08:09*trippeh tests with empty file
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08:09<sesank23>!hi Can I know how to install wine in debean
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08:10<sesank23>hi dpkg
08:11<towo`>again, aptitude install wine or apt-get install wine
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08:11<tel0s>originally the fix to my problem would be to install ia32-libs-gtk but I'm having issues installing that, I'm guessing due to the recent changes to support multiarch
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08:14<bernat>tel0s: with multiarch you don't install ia32-* packages anymore
08:15<bernat>!tell tel0s -about multiarch
08:15<towo`>ia32-libs-gtk and ia32-libs are only metapackages, which installs the i386 packages
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08:19<tel0s>bernat: I understand, I added the i386 architecture using dpkg yesterday. So, I've installed libgtk2, which installed the 64 bit library, which jd-gui cannot use. I then tried to aapt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386, however this does not work, as libgtk2 depends on me replacing many other libraries with their 32 bit counterparts.
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08:19<tel0s>as it is my understanding that with multi-arch I cannot have differing architectures of the same packages side by side?
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08:19<bernat>tel0s: yes, it's possible
08:20<bernat>you need to install every 32bit library that your app needs
08:20<towo`>ii libgtk2.0-0:amd64 2.24.18-1 amd64 GTK+ graphical user interface library
08:20<towo`>ii libgtk2.0-0:i386 2.24.18-1 i386 GTK+ graphical user interface library
08:20<towo`>no problem here
08:20<tel0s>bernat, okay, then i need to install them one by one?
08:20<bernat>dependencies should get installed automatically, but you may miss some others
08:21<bernat>the ldd command should tell you which libraries are needed
08:22<tel0s>bernat: http://paste.debian.net/10890/
08:22<tel0s>thankyou for the help, btw.
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08:24<bernat>maybe some dependency problem, try --no-install-recommends
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08:27<tel0s>bernat: same issue, just missing the hicolor-icon-theme line
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08:29<bernat>tel0s: it seems apt-get is refusing to install dependencies, you may try aptitude or add every package to the command line
08:30<tel0s>okay, thanks, ill try that. Just a moment.
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08:31<tel0s>bernat: aptitude suggests this solution. Looks dangerous. do you agree? http://paste.debian.net/10892/
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08:33<bernat>maybe you have a mix of packages, this might be easier with an updated and clean wheezy
08:34<bernat>or just try the first aptitude suggestion if you know you don't need those packages that's going to remove
08:36<tel0s>bernat: I'm actually on testing. I'm guessing im in the wrong channel :( I don't know if I require the packages it suggests removing.
08:37<tel0s>bernat: what command can i use to see what packages depend on libgraphite?
08:37<bernat>tel0s: indeed you're in the wrong channel
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08:37<bernat>tel0s: aptitude can help you, intro in the package and you have dropdown lists with dependency info
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08:38<tel0s>bernat: thanks for your help, at least I have a better idea of what the issue is now.
08:38<bernat>or use apt-cache rdepends <package>
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08:39<bernat>tel0s: testing might have some temporary broken dependencies, you have to deal with that
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11:06<jackmaretz>hello
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11:10<onizuka86>ciaoooo
11:10<onizuka86>come va raga?!
11:11<bigjust>,it
11:11<bigjust>bah
11:12<onizuka86>problem?
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11:13<retrospectacus>!it
11:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:24<blackcat>Hi, I'm trying to compile gtk+ with broadway-backend support and I've changed the debian/rules but I guess errors
11:24<blackcat>do I need to install more packages for the dependencies?
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11:25<retrospectacus>!errors
11:25<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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11:28<blackcat>retrospectacus, the error doesn't really say anything
11:28<blackcat>:)
11:29<blackcat>I was trying to see if I need some additional package to compile gtk+ with broadway support
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11:30<blackcat>if I don't change the debian/rules I can compile, but adding the --enable-broadway-backend support I get error
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11:33<cae>W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> <-- what am I doing wrong? apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring doesn't fix it and the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg{,.d/*} have the same sha1sums as on other systems
11:34<cae># grep -r squeeze /etc/apt/sources.list* | wc -l
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12:02<papamoose>Hopefully this is the right channel for this... I believe there is an error in the debian non free firmware tar.gz files found here: http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.38.tar.gz
12:02<papamoose>Specifically, the bnx2 and bnx2x drivers are located one directory too deep for d-i to find them. If you untar the file above you will find that some of the firmware is located in bnx2/bnx2/somefirmware.fw instead of bnx2/somefirmware.fw.
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13:13<vicky>hey anyone in cyprus
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13:16<retrospectacus>vicky: do you have a question about Debian?
13:16<trico>i have a server with a bunch of harddrives and i want to run smart test on them. i want to open a terminal for each drive. how do i open a root terminal from the CL or run a command as root in the new terminal?
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13:16<trico>gksu/gksudo dont work
13:17<Supaplex>!don't work
13:17<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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13:17<Supaplex>trico: try plain su or sudo in xterm equivalent
13:17<trico>xterm? ok
13:18<retrospectacus>whatever terminal you are using
13:18<Supaplex>hence "equivalent"
13:18<Supaplex>but if xterm is all you have, that should work too.
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13:19<jbw31415>In case anyone is watching...
13:19<jbw31415>http://www.debian.org/intro/about
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13:19<jbw31415>has a link to Linus Torvalds
13:20<jbw31415>http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/torvalds/
13:20<trico>ok, i think i can get xterm to work
13:20<jbw31415>And that link sends the user to a place that I (at least) don't have permission to access
13:21<retrospectacus>jbw31415: refer to the bottom of the page re: reporting problem with the site
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13:21<jbw31415>excellent, thanks -- will do
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13:25<trico>why doesnt this work? for i in /dev/sd[a-b]; do xterm -e "smartctl -t short $i; bash" &; done
13:25<trico>i get syntax error near ;
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13:27<sney>because you have a ; inside what you're passing to xterm and it's confusing bash
13:27<sney>switch it to && and it should be ok
13:27<trico>smartctl -t short &&
13:27<trico>like that?
13:27<sney>smartctl -t short $i && bash; done
13:28<Supaplex>trico: the & and ; before done are mututally exclusive
13:29<trico>i still get the syntax error
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13:30<retrospectacus>for i in /dev/sd[a-b]; do xterm -e "smartctl -t short $i && bash" & done
13:31<trico>awesome, that does it! :)
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13:38<trico>actually, since smartctl doesnt show any progress and you need a separate command to actually view the results, theres no need for all these windows. a better way is simply for i in /dev/sd[a-z]; do smartctl -t long $i; done
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13:41<trico>badblocks might be a better test though
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13:54<Supaplex>trico: badblocks is higher level. if you see badblocks, you've probably run out of reallocations. time for a new drive (danger will robinson, danger)
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14:07<MTecknology>I have notify-osd installed. It's apparently a daemon but I don't see the process running. I'm trying to get notifications working, but I'm struggling and I think the daemon not running might be why. I don't see anything in init.d for it. Any thoughts what I'm mising? I can run notify-send and see no return and no notification.
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14:32<zeus>Hi all, is there any debian apache guru here? i need help tweaking munin apache configuration. May anyone help me moving the munin page from a virtualhost to a location? I'd like to setup apache's munin page to myserver.com/munin instead of munin.myserver.com
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14:41<ompaul>zeus: you didn't see this did you? http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/munin.conf
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14:44<zeus>ompaul: sure. I saw it. But this is intended for munin 1.x. Please note that munin 2.0 configuration page is http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/CgiHowto2 also because i'm sunning munin in cgi mode.
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14:45<ompaul>zeus: then the section <IfModule !mod_rewrite.c> may have something to do with it
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14:46<ompaul>zeus: basically when it gets pointed to var/www/ you need to add a directory of munnin
14:46<zeus>anyway mine do not seems to be a munin configuration problem but an apache config problem. The wiki page assume i have to use a VH (like munin.server.com). I 'd like to have server.com/munin instead
14:46<ompaul>munin to that path and make sure it gets seen there
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14:47<ompaul>symlink?
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14:48<zeus>ompaul: i think i cannot symlink it because of mod_rewrite. infact i get 403 error. :-(
14:48<ompaul>ah
14:49<ompaul>zeus: #apache on this or freenode?
14:49<zeus>I 've also tryed to ask for help in freenod httpd channel ... but none seems can help
14:49<ompaul>ah
14:49<ompaul>I guess a learning of mod_rewrite and it's regex is needed
14:50<pozyton>does any1 can tell me which graphic environment is similat to Windows's? in Wheezy
14:51<ompaul>what's windows?
14:51<ompaul>pozyton: you install kde-plasma and think I like or I don't - it's not a replacement it is an alternative choose your own
14:51<pozyton>good question :) but srsly now :)
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14:52<bernat>!windows
14:52<dpkg>"PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
14:52<ompaul>pozyton: apt-cache search desktop | less and have a look at what names pop up stick it in a search engine with an image query
14:52<ompaul>then test it
14:52<ompaul>pozyton: it's not an exact match and that's something to be thankful for
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15:43<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know how to debug, or ideally fix, gnash failing to actually play a youtube video after it correctly displays the first frame, play and volume control buttons, I click on a play button, and it buffers data, but fails to play the video?
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15:44<kingsley> I see this behavior in "Iceweasel" when I try to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UGxKX6IU1U
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15:49<thatguychuck>A friend of mine without reliable internet access has been testing debian, linking iso's for apt. Is there a HOWTO for using jigdo to get him a contrib and non-free repo iso?
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15:54<renttu>iltaa!
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15:55<ompaul>thatguychuck: doesn't work like that
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15:55<ompaul>thatguychuck: each disk has a list of what's on it
15:56<ompaul>thatguychuck: do them a favour if you have bandwidth and download the few DVDs and pass them on
15:57<ompaul>kingsley: gnash is pretty much binary - it either works or doesn't as flash players keep changing the goalposts it is - however you might try with no gnash or flash and you might get html5 playback with webm
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15:58<renttu>z...z...zzZzzz,,,z,
15:58<thatguychuck>ompaul: That's actually what he is using at the moment. I was under the impression that things like the non-free nvidia packages were not included in the official dvd's.
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15:59<ompaul>thatguychuck: that's about right
15:59<ompaul>renttu: have you a debian question
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16:00<thatguychuck>I'm just not sure the best way to get them to him. I thought of downloading a few single debs for him to use but I'm not sure how the dependencies would be handled.
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16:01<ompaul>thatguychuck: for none free stuff no idea at all
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16:15<retrospectacus>thatguychuck: check out apt-zip
16:18<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell thatguychuck about apt-zip
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16:19<thatguychuck>retrospectacus: That looks promising, thank you,
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16:25<thatguychuck>APTonCD looks interesting as well, his system is similar to mine. Off to do some reading. Thanks all,
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16:31<andrewd18>is searching on http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi causing a 500 internal server error for anyone else?
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16:32<mbentley>andrewd18: yes
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16:33<andrewd18>Okay. Wasn't sure if I was sending some kind of malformed search request. Thanks.
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17:03<bugtraq>alguien sabe un prrograma como el format factory para ubuntu
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17:08<retrospectacus>hi, pinzoro
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17:10<pinzoro>que es esto?
17:10<pinzoro>XD
17:11<retrospectacus>pinzoro: this is Debian support in English.
17:11<pinzoro>D:
17:11<pinzoro>thanks
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17:11<sney>quite the emotional reversal
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19:35<Kow>good day friends. I have a question. Why does gnome 1:3.8+2 in sid depend on the various components with version >= 3.4? I may have the answer to my own question... and that is so sid users can actually install the meta package when some of the components are not yet at 3.8 in unstable. Would this be correct?
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19:37<bernat>I guess so, that would ease the transition
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19:39<Kow>okay, well regardless. I'm messing around in a testing-base with selective unstable environment. How could I tell apt to install gnome and gnome-core from unstable including all of both packages dependencies. The issue I have is apt does not want to upgrade the deps to unstable because the dependencies are met using the versions in testing.
19:40<Kow>"sudo apt-get -t unstable install gnome gnome-core" only upgrades gnome and gnome-core to unstable :(
19:40<Kow>I could upgrade each dependency to unstable manually but thats hack'ish and no fun.
19:41<bernat>why do you want to upgrade more than necessary?
19:42<bernat>oh, sry, we're talking about metapackages :-)
19:42<Kow>yep
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19:43<bernat>doing it manually gives you more control, I do that sometimes with aptitude and I can tweak the upgrade to the package
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19:43<bernat>you could use package pinning to always take some packages from unstable
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19:45<Kow>but i would still have to manually identify each of gnome and gnome-core's dependencies in the preferences file :(
19:45<SamB>Kow: it's tricky because where do you want it to stop?
19:46<Kow>SamB: one level only, so only the direct dependencies of the meta packages
19:46<Kow>and if apt needs, it can pull lower-level dependencies from unstable if it needs to
19:46<SamB>okay, well, that's at least a thing that could be implemented
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19:47<Kow>this is in a VM by the way, I'm expecting massive failure but still... it *could* work :D
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19:49<bernat>I think pinning could solve this situation but I'm not sure
19:49<Kow>hmm
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19:52<Kow>I tend to shy away from pinning, I've had apt do some weird things. It may just be me not understanding it completely, or apt may be weird about it, or both.
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19:52<retrospectacus>it sounds like you should pick one: jessie or sid
19:52<Kow>i think i'll see if I can do some apt-cache depends magic that pulls all of the depends and inputs them into apt-get -t unstable install and see what happens.
19:53<bernat>I think what you're trying to do is similar to the way backports works, it must be doable
19:53<Kow>retrospectacus: just messing around here to see if it's even possible. It's obviously not practicle for something as large as gnome. but I'm doing it just to see if it can be done
19:53<bernat>it should be a matter of setting the same pinning to unstable as backports has
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19:58<bernat>see http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?sektion=5&query=apt_preferences&apropos=0&manpath=sid&locale=en
19:58<bernat>it has some interesting examples that may be what you want
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20:01<SamB>bernat: I thought that happened automatically if you pinned testing
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20:09<Kow>i can quite easily formulate a command line that has every gnome and gnome-core dep using apt-cache and some manipulation magic with grep, cut, tr and xargs
20:09<Kow>heck i can include the Recommends if I want
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20:10<retrospectacus>you should check out awk
20:10<retrospectacus>it'll foever take the place of grep, cut, and tr
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20:11<Kow>i can get the exact same result either way
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20:26<CJW293>Hello everyone
20:27<CJW293>can anyone recommend a good channel for knoppix newbies, not new to Linux, currently running Mint 14. Just new to Knoppix.
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20:27<mbentley>!knoppix
20:27<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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20:28<CJW293>thanks
20:28<mbentley>np
20:29<CJW293>there was no one on the #knoppix channel, any other ideas
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20:30<mbentley>on freenode?
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20:31<CJW293>Sorry, wrong channel, I found it, and thanks agaig
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20:33<Bence>Hi, I hope I wont say something compately stupid but I have had someone remotely install some spyware on my computer some time ago, Ive since reinstalled and wiped all my system disks, but lately I mounted lots of disks that were present at the time I was infected. Looking at the processes running I wondered if there is anything I wouldnt want to be there. The only thing I did was mount file systems (ext4 and ntfs) using the mount comman
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20:38<Bence>I bet everyone is thinking im a noob but here are the ones that caught my attention http://pastebin.com/0dUcUUCH
20:39<Bence>are those normal to have?
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20:40<mbentley>yes, those look normal
20:40<mbentley>getty = your terminals
20:41<mbentley>chrome = google chrome web browser, exim4 = mail transfer agent
20:41<mbentley>console-kit-daemon >> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/doc/ConsoleKit.html
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20:47<Bence>mbentley: thank you for your response, looking over the ones in the second patebin and as you said they look normal. Im just unknowledgeable and wanted to come ask anyway since last time I got infected. Also may I ask what to look out for other than processes?
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20:53<mashi>hi
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21:08*r3v0r plays Yanni Live - The Concert Event 2006
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21:13<abrotman>r3v0r: turn that off
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21:26<r3v0r>abrotman :) yep
21:26<abrotman>thanks
21:27<r3v0r>sorry *
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21:29<r3v0r>xchat ./ame wrong msg .
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21:46<mogglebam>Hi, what's a good way to deal with user-local installs of programs? I ln -s to them in my ~/bin, but what's a good name for "untarred binaries of stuff that I downloaded from the internet and then linked to in my ~/in"
21:48<mogglebam>Maybe "opt"
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21:54<mart_n>anyone knows how to stop the update popups that ask for root password (org.freedesktop.packagekit.system-update) at awkward times?
21:54<mart_n>dconf?
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21:58<abrotman>mart_n: stop system-updater (I think that's the package)
21:58<themill>gnome-packagekit
21:59<themill>(you can't uninstall it and I don't know how to disable it)
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22:00<mart_n>abrotman: it doesn't seem to be a process running... nor an executable I can find.
22:02<mart_n>nothing in /etc/init.d
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22:24<SamB>I guess you report a bug against gnome-packagekit complaining that you can't figure out how to make it stop?
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22:26<SamB>and if that doesn't work you get ctte to take it out of "gnome-core" ?
22:27<SamB>mart_n: make any headway?
22:28<mart_n>what do you mean 'headway'? if I figured something? no, but I found this thread: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708548
22:28<mart_n>a long discussion on tha matter
22:29<mart_n>SamB ^
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22:31<SamB>indidentally, we call that particular type of thread a "bug"
22:32<mart_n>:-)
22:34<mart_n>they do suggest 'apt-get remove gnome' which is ... a little harcore strategy
22:37<mart_n>very interesting discussion actuallyà
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22:44<ecc>is there a simple application that reads from an ALSA input device and plays it on an output device? I know about audacity and jack etc., but I basically want a nice version of "arecord | aplay"
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22:46<SamB>mart_n: I don't see how "apt-get remove gnome" helps if gnome-core Depends: gnome-packagekit ...
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22:48<Kow>isnt there a way to make apt "pretend" a package is installed when its really not? if so that may be a possible stradegy to pursue, with the potential for catastrophic consequences of course :)
22:49<Kow>geeze I should just type in binary today
22:49<Kow>only 2 keys to have to worry about
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22:52<sesank23>!hi
22:52<dpkg>hello, sesank23
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23:15<mart_n>samB: that was kind of a joke in the bug thread
23:16<SamB>I was assuming the idea was to manually ask for the gnome stuff you wanted
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23:22*SamB bumped up the severity on that bug to important ...
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23:25<themill>it being open would perhaps be more important ;) but talk to the maintainers first
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