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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-06-18

---Logopened Tue Jun 18 00:00:08 2013
---Daychanged Tue Jun 18 2013
00:00<Stereotonix>Test
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00:06<haylo>Stereotonix: was that a debian test ?
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00:08<Stereotonix>No, sorry about that.
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00:11<Zero_kool>whats happening?
00:13<Stereotonix>New here.. Wasn't seeing any chats for the last 6 hours
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00:14<Stereotonix>Was wondering if my client was broken
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00:18<haylo>everyone is meditating on unix koans and/or paranoid
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00:20<haylo>http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/end-user.html
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00:24<kvasir>clear
00:25<kvasir>Oops,
00:25<kvasir>Er, is this the correct channel for support?
00:25<haylo>this is the official debian support channel, yeah
00:26<SamB>Stereotonix: that's funny, it'd only been quiet for about a half hour ... maybe your client *is* broken ...
00:27<kvasir>Thanks~ Is there a particular package/other that I need to have installed for the backlights on my computer? Like, when I press numlock the light doesn't come on but the numlock does.
00:27<kvasir>backlights for my computer keyboard*
00:28<SamB>kvasir: that is a strange problem!
00:28<SamB>what kind of computer/keyboard?
00:28<kvasir>CTStorm Quickfire Pro
00:29<kvasir>Any ideas? It's also happening to my laptop specific ones too.
00:30<Stereotonix>Haylo: hahaha I see what you did there! Thanks :-)
00:32<Stereotonix>SamB: cheers, I see it rolling through fine now. Have a nice one, guys!
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00:33<SamB>kvasir: are you sure you spelled that right?
00:36<kvasir>Oh, my mistake yes I did. It's the "CM" (Cooler Master) not "CT" Quick Fire Pro
00:38<kvasir>Just sorted one issue, but unfortunately I'm unsure as to why the num lock, caps etc aren't lighting up.
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01:07<senju>Hello
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01:09<Rostrium>Hello
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01:11<Rostrium>I have a issue with jdb2
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01:12<Supaplex>!tell Rostrium -about don't work
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01:13<Raziel>Supaplex became self-aware? woah
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01:16<Infiltrator>Raziel: That's not very nice. :P
01:17<Supaplex>!lart Raziel
01:17*dpkg decapitates Raziel conan the destroyer style
01:17<Raziel>But the game was awesome...
01:17<Supaplex>was?
01:17*Supaplex is still awesome
01:17<Raziel>True, I should get it at some point
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01:27<Rostrium>q
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01:42<shasten>hello
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02:42<edoi>hello
02:42<edoi>what partitioning scheme to use when installing debian?
02:42<edoi>i am a first time debian (or linux generally) user
02:43<edoi>i should have done that in debian-boot, sorry!
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02:48<bullgard4>Wat are suitable tools to view a GNU message catalog?
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02:50<themill>bullgard4: compiled/binary (.mo) or textual (.po)?
02:50<bullgard4>themill: .mo
02:50<SamB>I think you can decompile it
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02:51<themill>msgunfmt
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02:51<Dnikolay>hello
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03:10<syn-attack>hostname private.syn-attack.org
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03:24<bullgard4>themill: 'man msgunfmt - uncompile message catalog from binary format; SYNOPSIS: msgunfmt [OPTION] [FILE]...' I uncompiled my message catalog using the msgfmt command. I can read the messages in my uxterm. But I cannot find a new .po file. Where should I look for it?
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03:25<themill>bullgard4: see the -o option in msgunfmt(1)
03:28<timbermaniac>I have apcupsd running on wheezy, and it appears to work, but when running lspci it does not show the APC device. For contrast, ubuntu 12.04 had it listed in lspci by name. Any clue why this would be?
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03:30<jm_>timbermaniac: APC device as in UPS? they're normally connected via a serial port, so I fail to see how lspci could list it
03:31<timbermaniac>jm_: yes a UPS device, and this one happens to use USB
03:31<jm_>timbermaniac: then try lsusb
03:31<timbermaniac>jm_: OH
03:32<timbermaniac>jm_: I didn't get much sleep.. thanks
03:32<jm_>timbermaniac: no worries
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03:35<bullgard4>themill: This worked all right. -- Thank you very much for your help.
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04:02<Xaamber>I did a shitmove installing wheezy just a moment ago, ran the install through expert install, and forgot to set passwords for the users, is there a way to set a password to root without reinstalling the whole os ?
04:02<themill>Xaamber: does "sudo passwd" not work as the first user you configured?
04:03<Xaamber>well i can't login since i did not set any passwords at all.
04:03<Xaamber>:(
04:03<masuran>Xaamber: Try booting in rescue mode, and setting a root password then
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04:03<masuran>Not sure if you need to chroot to your install first, maybe the rescue option does that for you
04:03<themill>!ifrp
04:03<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
04:04<masuran>There you go :)
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04:04<Xaamber>Oh thanks!
04:04<themill>you don't even need the install image to do that, although you certainly could also use that instead
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04:07<voltagex>what causes the upstream version notification to update on http://packages.qa.debian.org?
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04:11<themill>voltagex: the file debian/watch inside the source packave
04:11<themill>!watch
04:11<dpkg>The 'watch' file in a source package's debian directory is used to check for newer upstream versions, and to download if necessary. http://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch
04:12<voltagex>themill: http://wiki.debian.org/DEHS actually, just wondering if I need to notify someone that we're not tracking the latest version of gnu-efi
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04:12<voltagex>hrm, maybe my link is out of date
04:13<themill>voltagex: well the watch file tells utilities where to find this information; DEHS is one such implementation; UDD has another; packages.d.o has another; ...
04:13<voltagex>ah cool
04:13<themill>s/cool/pita/ really :(
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04:14<voltagex>well yeah, for whatever reason it's not working for the package I'm looking at
04:14<voltagex>which only matters because syslinux EFI needs a newer gnu-efi to build
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04:15<themill>I don't know when the PTS was last updated for that package; the sf.net redirector for watch files can also be a bit of a pita too
04:16<voltagex>d'oh
04:16<voltagex>I don't really want to poke the maintainer either.
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04:16<voltagex>patch tracker seems to be down too so I can't check what mangling we do to that package
04:16<themill>you can always file a wishlist bug requesting a new version
04:17<voltagex>isn't that annoying though?
04:17<voltagex>also, that'd require me knowing how to file a wishlist bug :P
04:17<themill>if he's not realised it has come out for some reason, then no. "reportbug"
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04:29<voltagex>hm, wonder if BTS is down too
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04:32<voltagex>damnit, reportbug doesn't keep a local copy either
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04:32<voltagex>eventually I'm actually going to have to run my own MTA
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04:33<themill>did you already tell reportbug that you had one?
04:33<voltagex>no, I used the debian smtp
04:33<voltagex>which I think is dead
04:33<themill>voltagex: did it connect to it?
04:33<voltagex>dba: hi, btw :P
04:33<voltagex>yeah, I think so
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04:34<themill>if reportbug tells you it sent the mail it did. It will get there
04:35<voltagex>ok, surprisingly easy
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04:36<voltagex>Bug#712639. I am far too impatient.
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04:43<bullgard4>How can I increase the maximum number of scrollback lines in my uxterm?
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04:44<jm_>bullgard4: man xterm lists the relevant options (sl/saveLines)
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05:05<bullgard4>jm_: I don't know how "-sl number; This option specifies the number of lines to save that have been scrolled off the top of the screen This corresponds to the saveLInes resource" can help me. My intention is not to call every time uxterm with the option, say, »-sl 10000«. I'd rather like to write a value 10000 into uxterm's configuration file so that uxterm will remeber this value and I do...
05:05<bullgard4>...not need typing it every time when calling the uxterm program.
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05:05<bullgard4>+m
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05:06<jm_>bullgard4: then read about how this can be specified via X resources
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05:08<SynrG>!xdefaults
05:08<dpkg>xdefaults is probably xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically
05:09<SynrG>(not just gdm, but any session, i think)
05:09<SynrG>see FILES section of xterm man page. and RESOURCES section of the same
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05:13<jm_>indeed, as long as it's enabled in /etc/X11/Xsession.options (and /etc/X11/Xsession is used)
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05:25<jmaria>hello
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05:36<AbsintheSyringe>themill, do you know if kexec restart services when it replaces the kernel?
05:36<AbsintheSyringe>in meaning, does do the same thing ksplice does?
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05:43<liviu>yahoo mesenger
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05:50<nocturnal>what qualifies something for being in the non-free repo? I'm asking because of the apache2 module fastcgi. it's licensed under its own license for OpenMarket Inc.
05:50<nocturnal>what part of this license dictates that fastcgi must be in non-free category?
05:51<nocturnal>http://www.fastcgi.com/drupal/node/6?q=node/14
05:52<Maulkin>Modifications to this Software and Documentation may
05:52<Maulkin>be copyrighted by their authors and need not follow the licensing
05:52<Maulkin>terms described here.
05:52<Maulkin>That probably makes it GPL incompatable at least
05:52<nocturnal>I see, I suspected that line too
05:52<nevyn>doesn't that make it almost bsd 3clause?
05:52<Maulkin>Basically, never ever use a new licence. You'll get it wrong(tm)
05:53<nocturnal>nevyn: is the bsd 3clause license in the non-free repo of debian?
05:53<Maulkin>3-clause is fine, 4-clause is a problem
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05:55<Stereo>hello
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05:56<Stereo>I'm trying to configure apache to work with php fcgi mode, but the example at http://httpd.apache.org/mod_fcgid/mod/mod_fcgid.html#examples doesn't seem to be working. I'm not getting any error messages in the logs, any ideas of what I could check?
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05:57<Stereo>I adapted the example a bit, the exact configuration I'm using is this: http://pastie.org/8054838
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05:58<stevecotton>nocturnal: fastcgi's license seems to have changed since it was packaged. http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/liba/libapache-mod-fastcgi/unstable_copyright
05:58<stevecotton>Open Market permits ... solely for the purpose of implementing the FastCGI specification defined by Open Market ...
05:59*Maulkin nods
05:59<Stereo>I found http://wiki.debian.org/Apache/WheezyMimeTypes but am not sure that's even relevant to my problem
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06:06<Calinou>Maulkin: compatible. C-O-M-P-A-T-I-B-L-E
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07:14<jewels>someone can help me with making my skype working on wheezy?
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07:14<jewels>I can't speak because my microphone doesn't work in skype. Outside it work perfectly.
07:15<jewels>I've tried with arecord.
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07:22<babilen>jewels: Make sure to configure it using pavucontrol if you use pulsaaudio (which you most likely do) and select PA as device in skype. Please also note that we cannot *really* support skype as it is closed source and has nothing to do with Debian. Also check our wiki http://wiki.debian.org/skype and, in particular, note libpulse0:i386
07:23<babilen>jewels: Please also tell us what you have tried so far
07:24<jewels>I've installed pavucontrol, I've enabled the microphone from alsamixer. But nothing changed with skype. If a speak with someone, him is able to listen my internal sound(application sound, notification etc..) but not my voice
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07:25<babilen>jewels: So, ensure that you are using PA in skype and also that the microphone is unmuted and working in pavucontrol
07:26<babilen>pavucontrol gives you graphical feedback to indicate that a signal is being received/emitted
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07:27<jewels>yes It's enabled only PA in skype. In the input device there is not the microphone
07:28<babilen>jewels: And you can see a signal in pavucontrol in the "Input Deviced" tab? Is the microphone selected? Is it unmuted? Did you raise the levels?
07:28<nevyn>jewels: your capture device is set to "mix" maybe.
07:29<nevyn>or you're sending skype the monitor source
07:29<jewels>here is the input device tab : http://tinypic.com/r/2m6sn4y/5
07:30<nevyn>yeah that's the monitor
07:30<nevyn>what's on the configuration tab?
07:30<nevyn>it should be stereo duplex
07:31<jewels>Analog Stereo Output
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07:31<babilen>jewels: And you probably also want to install gnome-icon-theme{,-extras}
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07:31<nevyn>jewels: is Analog Stereo Duplex an option?
07:31<nevyn>that's the one you want.
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07:32<jewels>I'm trying an echo test
07:32<jewels>:)
07:32<clupus>Hello. Is here anybody who can help me with XEN?
07:32<nevyn>so after changing that.
07:32<nevyn>go back to the input tab
07:32<nevyn>and check that the bar moves when you speak into the mic
07:32<jewels>finally it works :)) thank you nevyn
07:33<nevyn>I don't understand how anyone would think a card set to stereo output would provide input...
07:33<nevyn>;)
07:36<jewels>someone has some experience with moonlight and chromium? Here in italy there is a video service(for which I pay) that use microsoft silverlight. Now on debian I'm not able to see nothing because moonlight doesn't support well the video reproduction
07:36<babilen>jewels: Yeah, that is the case. Don't think you'll get that working, but I haven't looked into this in a while.
07:38<jewels>understand. It's very annoying. I'm forced to install windows in a virtual machine
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07:42<muslimmasry>Do skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslims youth and spy 4 isreal&usa???????
07:42<muslimmasry>do they record and analyse every word we type????????????
07:42<Raziel>...maybe.
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07:43<Raziel>lol
07:43<Apollo>heh, faster than expected
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07:44<mklicker>hey, I have the following problem, maybe someone can help me: I successfully setted up an sftp-guest-account via chroot, but now the "normal"-users cannot login via sftp anymore (only via ssh). wo could I change that?
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07:46<rnowak>Apollo: I serve to please ;)
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07:59<edo>hello.
07:59<edo>i've just installed debian and i have a strange problem.
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07:59<edo>it doesn't accept my root password...
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08:00<edo>what can i do about it?
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08:01<jm_>what doesn't accept it?
08:01<edo>?
08:01<edo>well first i wanted to set that i can log in without typing password every time.
08:02<edo>it asked for the root password, and it wasn't accepted.
08:03<edo>or for example i can't open the root terminal because i doesn't accept my administrative password.
08:03<weasel>you could always set a new root password.
08:03<edo>how so?
08:03<jm_>does the same password work on tty? ctrl-alt-f1 and try to login there, ctrl-alt-f7 to get back
08:03<weasel>(I'm sure there are good howtos on recovering the root password)
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08:04<weasel>(the quick and dirty version is: boot with init=/bin/sh, mount -o remount,rw /, passwd, mount -o remount,ro /, reboot. alas I don't have time for a more detailed howto :)
08:04<edo>jm, no
08:04<jm_>yeah /msg dpkg i forgot root's password
08:04<jm_>edo: ^^^^^
08:04<edo>wait
08:05<edo>where do i type that in
08:05<jm_>in your irc client
08:05<edo>i just did something like that
08:05<edo>in grub
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08:05<edo>after i've pressed e, i scrolled to the bottom and typed in init=/bin/sh
08:05<jm_>editing the kernel options is only one part
08:05<edo>then enter
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08:07<ardex>anyone know where the screen timeouts for power saving are located?
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08:14<abrotman>!tell ardex about blank
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08:15<ardex>abrotman:thanks
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08:49<haylo>anyone have a good guide on making thunar automount stuff? i got it to work, but am unsure which if the 19,000 things i installed took care of it. My users demand this, as they are wholy unfamiliar with the mount command
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08:50<winsen>Hi all
08:50<winsen>are there any sysadmin here please? thanks
08:50<haylo>right now, my package list to make thunar work, is longer than the rest of my packages put together.
08:52<Maulkin>!ask
08:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:53<haylo>winsen: yes. i went to _college_ for linux. ofc they unfortunatly did not have a course on making thunar work
08:53<Maulkin>haylo: I would *guess* thunar-volman
08:54<haylo>Maulkin: yeah thats an imortant one. thanks
08:54<Maulkin>haylo: Possibly gvfs and udisks too
08:54<haylo>i have it working, i just want to make a more concise install approach. but than you Maulkin , that was one of the most important packages
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08:54<Maulkin>haylo: People should generally be in the 'plugdev' group too.
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08:55<Maulkin>winsen: If you have a question, just ask :)
08:56<nmeum>what do the number prefixes of filenames in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d mean and what effect do they have?
08:56<Maulkin>nmeum: They change the order in which they're sourced to make the combined config
08:56<nmeum>ah
08:56<Maulkin>nmeum: 00 is first, zzz, or 99 is last
08:57<themill>(I wonder how "alphanumeric ascending order" is actually defined)
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09:04<peter1138>hmm, wheezy on my netbook tries to mount a usb flash drive as a cdrom
09:04<peter1138>or at least, only appears to be trying udf & iso
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09:07<haylo>peter1138: are you sure thats wheezy, and not some file manager trying to autmoate everything ?
09:07<peter1138>well true, i'm in gnome 3 land
09:07<peter1138>however i found the cause, it's because fstab had an entry for /dev/sdb1 as a cdrom device
09:07<peter1138>i have no idea why, as there's no cdrom drive
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09:08<infrid>hi
09:08<peter1138>it wasn't a fresh wheezy install so i guess i'll just put it down to upgrade cruft
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09:10<winsen>Can you please tell me how to remain efficien et professionaly effective as an sysadmin? thanks
09:10<winsen>efficient
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09:11<winsen>what are the top ten sources to be updated
09:11<Apollo>ehm
09:11<Apollo>what
09:11<winsen>Maulkin: any clue?
09:12<haylo>1 learn to use vi
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09:13<haylo>2 learn to use emacs so you dont go pissing everyone off talking about vi 3 install a sensible editor
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09:19<Maulkin>winsen: Basically, no. You're asking me how to be good at an entire career
09:19<winsen>Yes
09:19<winsen>please
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09:20<Raziel>haylo, you forgot 0. Learn proper english
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09:20<Maulkin>winsen: So... no.
09:20<poe>sall
09:20<Maulkin>winsen: Go go an LPI exam or something
09:20<winsen>Maulkin: sorry?
09:20<haylo>well, there is that. without the knowledge of how to use classic *nix utilities like rsync and vi, and withoput knowledge of the language at had, you will look very unprofessional.
09:21<poe>Hi!
09:21<poe>I am from romania!
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09:21<Raziel>I'm totally not from romania
09:22<Maulkin>!ro
09:22<dpkg>Pentru ajutor in limba romana va rugam vizitati #debian-ro pe irc.oftc.net. Romanian users: for help in romanian, please visit #debian-ro on irc.oftc.net.
09:22<haylo>in fact most logic statements, ir programming algorithms resemplbe our own usage of language, in fast the conditional evaluation is the same. people who can speak properly, have been using "if" "for" and "while" since the dawn of time. other of us however , will never get it right
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09:22<poe>Wow!
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09:23<winsen>Maulkin: ok thanks, on the other hand, I think you agree with me that I need to be efficient in other sides, like networking, DB and so on
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09:24<poe>I have a question how to enable sound on ubuntu studio?
09:24<haylo>while [ im gone ] ; do work ; if [ i get back ] ; then stop ; else keep working ; fi ; done
09:24<winsen>Maulkin: for egg. what are your sources?
09:24<Maulkin>poe: Ask ubuntu.
09:25<Apollo>!ubuntu
09:25<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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09:25<Apollo>and they'll prolly tell him ubuntu studio isnt ubuntu :p
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09:27<poe>but how can I do this because I do not know jack lady and to use it
09:27<haylo>you are going to jack some lady, if we dont help you use it ?
09:28<haylo>ok ok calm down, im googling
09:30<poe>my first time using something but do not really know any English
09:30<haylo>im not seeing alot of documentation on running ubuntustudio in debian
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09:31<themill>try #ubuntustudio on irc.freenode.net.
09:32<Apollo>poe: you need to connect to chat.freenode.net
09:32<Apollo>and join #ubuntustudio
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10:05<digiacomo>!list
10:05<dpkg>digiacomo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.
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11:02<ASDFVBIJRG3544UOL> do skype,yahoo,otherchat&socialcommunication prog spy4isreal&usa?????
11:02<ASDFVBIJRG3544UOL> do they record&analyse everything we type?
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11:02<ASDFVBIJRG3544UOL> do they record&analyse everything we type?
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11:31<j4jackj>well hey, I'm having serious trouble with Ekiga. It's not receiving calls. I am testing this with sip:520@ekiga.net
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11:34<kr_>hi
11:34<kr_>everybody
11:35<lostatwork>hi Dr Nick
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11:49<j4jackj>well hey, I'm having serious trouble with Ekiga. It's not receiving calls, but calls from me work like clockwork. I am testing this with sip:520@ekiga.net
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11:49<xtruthx>hello folks
11:49<xtruthx>i need som help about getting new softwarte into debian.
11:50<retrospectacus>j4jackj: I would try the ekiga channel: #ekiga on irc.gnome.org
11:50<j4jackj>i did and there's nothing
11:51<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell xtruthx about rfp
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11:52<xtruthx>ok so i understand the sites in the right way i have to start with a entry on the bug list in kind of wishlist.
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11:52<xtruthx>so i like to get the new fork from bacula called bareos into debina repository.
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11:53<xtruthx>we already have wheezy packages.
11:53<j4jackj>too late
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11:53<xtruthx>as you can see under bareos.org / http://download.bareos.org/bareos/release/12.4/
11:54<retrospectacus>let us know if you have any questions.
11:54<j4jackj>testing is jessie and you have to upload into experimental anyway, so it will take until they start naming debian after soft drinks.
11:54<j4jackj>(that is how I think it works, IANADD)
11:56<xtruthx>so i understand it right i have to report it to the buglist? so we hope to become a part into debian at first in testing and then in backports? is this the right way for that?
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11:58<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell xtruthx about sponsor
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11:59<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell xtruthx about mentors
11:59<retrospectacus>but yes, report it to wnpp is a first step
12:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 615] by debhelper
12:00<xtruthx>ok. and the someone of you get in contact with us?
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12:02<xtruthx>ok so first a bug report as wishlist, then after ok, i have to create a account as a maintainer and then i can upload my package?
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12:03<xtruthx>ah ok i understand sponsor is due to my collegue and i are no officall debian developer? thats right?
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12:03<retrospectacus>I don't know all those details, check the factoids the robot sent you
12:04<daemonkeeper>(but #debian-mentors knows)
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12:04<xtruthx>jeah read them but, i m still confused about the correct order in that way
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12:04<xtruthx>ok i will try
12:04<retrospectacus>yep you can probably get more info from those in that channel
12:04<ak>hi
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12:13<hienbw>all
12:13<retrospectacus>hienbw: hi
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12:18<backbox>salve
12:19<backbox>hello
12:19<backbox>no wireless connection in my backbox live,help me?
12:20<xtruthx>thx there is already a open discussion
12:20<retrospectacus>!backbox
12:20<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backbox.org/ #backbox on irc.autistici.org. See also <based on debian>.
12:20<backbox>sorry
12:20<backbox>ok
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12:56<anoncn_78>sera
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13:00<SynrG>!it
13:00<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:08<backbox>hello
13:09<Maulkin>!ask
13:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:27<`MArceLL`>what does exim -bpc, exim -bp and exim -qf do?
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13:28<retrospectacus>!man
13:28<dpkg>hmm... man is a little guy that knows everything about Linux... just do "man commandname" and he will teach you all about commandname. You can search for the appropriate man page with "apropos term". Enable <tab completion> in your shell to fill in the man page names. Man pages are available online too, ask me about <dmp>. See also <docs> <grounding>.
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13:32<chaos>i have an odd problem
13:32<chaos>i created an lvm from 2 identical disks
13:32<chaos>put luks over it
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13:32<chaos>and ext4 over that
13:32<chaos>but it keeps getting errors
13:33<chaos>i thought oh well.. disks aren't new maybe they are going dead
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13:33<chaos>so i ran smartctl first on the lvm then on the disks separately extended tests but all came back clean
13:33<chaos>any idea?
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13:34<cookieMr>how can i set up speakers, so when i'm pluging in headphones, the front speakers are disabled, and when i'n unpluging headphones, then the front speakers takes on
13:34<chaos>my laptop does that without any special setup :)
13:35<cookieMr>my doesn't :( i've got sh!ty laptop
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13:36<cookieMr>does any1 else have an idea how to achieve this?
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13:58<gaga>guys, i need help, asap
13:58<sney>!ask
13:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:58<sney>also: if you are not using debian you will need to ask somewhere else
13:58<gaga>i do use debian
13:59<gaga>actually i'm writing this from another computer, nevermind
13:59<gaga>anyway
13:59<cookieMr>how can i set up speakers, so when i'm pluging in headphones, the front speakers are disabled, and when i'n unpluging headphones, then the front speakers takes on (got Debian Wheezy)
13:59<gaga>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/resetting-the-administrative-root-password-4175466478/
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13:59<gaga>i did what that guy said
13:59<gaga>and now i'm stuck in the middle of the command line.
13:59<gaga>after i rebooted,
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14:00<gaga>the remount thing didn't work.
14:00<gaga>nevermind that, now i don't know how to shut the computer down
14:00<gaga>from that command line.
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14:00<stderr>shutdown -r now
14:00<gaga>because the shutdown command doesn't work
14:01<Maulkin>init 6 ?
14:01<gaga>i get some "Usage: bla bla" message
14:01<gaga>stderr, that's what i did.
14:01<gaga>what init 6?
14:01<stderr>Are you root?
14:01<Maulkin>gaga: It's another way of saying reboot
14:02<gaga>i'm doing all this because the root password isn't accepted. so allegedly this was the way to reset it.
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14:02<gaga>should i type "reboot 6"?
14:02<swirl>hi
14:02<stderr>Wait a minute...
14:02<sney>you should type "init 6" like he said
14:03<gaga>the shutdown -r gives me back something like: shutdown: no such directory
14:03<stderr>Did you type "mount -o remount,rw /passwd" as one line?
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14:03<gaga>init 6: no such file or directory
14:03<gaga>i'll check that, stderr.
14:03<stderr>It should be "mount -o remount,rw /" and "passwd".
14:04<peter1138>hmm, pulseaudio disappearing :S
14:04<gaga>iirc i wrote "mount -o remount"
14:04<gaga>not the comma part.
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14:04<stderr>That's probably why that didn't work...
14:05<gaga>it gave me back mount point remount does not exist
14:05<stderr>mount -o remount,rw /
14:05<gaga>but look at this. when the prompt just loaded, it said
14:05<stderr>No more, no less...
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14:06<gaga>bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate shell for device
14:06<gaga>and then
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14:06<gaga>like if it didn't load well?
14:07<gaga>stderr i typed that in, bunch of words came out.
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14:08<gaga>now "passwd [mypass]"?
14:08<gaga>or "passwd"
14:08<gaga>and then the password
14:08<stderr>Just "passwd".
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14:08<stderr>I wonder what words came out...
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14:09<gaga>I typed the pass twice
14:09<gaga>it said:
14:09<gaga>authentication token manipulation error
14:09<gaga>password unchanged
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14:10<gaga>stderr, those "words" were some sort of howto with commands.
14:10<stderr>I'm not going to try to guess what message you got...
14:11<gaga>wait then
14:11<gaga>i'll take a photo in a sec, please wait.
14:12<stderr>Can't you just retype it?
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14:12<stderr>gaga: paste.debian.net
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14:13<gaga>it's a bunch of words
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14:13<retrospectacus>amazing
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14:16<gaga>it's coming
14:16<gaga>it didn't accept the password change twice.
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14:17<stderr>It won't until / is mounted read/write-able.
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14:21<gaga>http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6214/m2gf.jpg
14:21<gaga>there may be something above, but i can't scroll it.
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14:21<retrospectacus>gaga: you didn't type "mount -o remount,rw /" properly
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14:23<gaga>wow... i feel so stupid.
14:23<mvdwege>Anybody know what broke Gnome Shell this week?
14:23<gaga>well, what can i say, thanks a bunch for the patience.
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14:23<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell mvdwege about ask
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14:24<stderr>mvdwege: I think gnome broke gnome... But it wasn't this week.
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14:25<gaga>stderr, now how to reboot it? reboot command gives me just a warning
14:25<stderr>Do I really have to ask what warning?
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14:26<retrospectacus>gaga: the instructions tell you the command, and you've been given several options already
14:26<gaga>could not determine runlevel. doing soft reboot.
14:26<gaga>retro, nothing happens when i do that
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14:27<gaga>it says it's better to use the shutdown command, but shutdown -r doesn't work. the prompt returns "shutdown: no such file or directory".
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14:28<retrospectacus>gaga: probably because you issued a soft reboot and / got unmounted again. Do the remount again
14:29<cookieMr>how can i set up speakers, so when i'm pluging in headphones, the front speakers are disabled, and when i'm unpluging headphones, then the front speakers takes on (got Debian Wheezy)
14:29<gaga>retro, same thing again.
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14:30<retrospectacus>gaga: that doesn't mean anything, I can't see your screen. What did you do and what happened?
14:30<gaga>i wrote the warning message above
14:30<gaga>i tried "reboot", and it gave me that message from above, and
14:31<gaga>also it said using the shutdown command is a better idea.
14:31<retrospectacus>gaga: and what about remounting / like I said?
14:31<gaga>however "shutdown -r" doesn't work either, the prompt returns shutdown: no such file or directory found
14:31<gaga>i did it, but it didn't help.
14:31<gaga>the remounting did work.
14:32<retrospectacus>gaga: remount / then run "shutdown -r 0"
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14:32<gaga>but "reboot" returns the same warning again.
14:32<retrospectacus>do not run "reboot"
14:32<gaga>mount remount,rw / first?
14:32<gaga>okay.
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14:34<gaga>shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory found.
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14:34<gaga>init: (same as above)
14:34<retrospectacus>gaga: try "reboot -d -f"
14:35<gaga>oh finally
14:35<gaga>that did work
14:35<gaga>thanks a lot
14:35<retrospectacus>just what the instructions said
14:35<gaga>do you know why i got that message for shutdown?
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14:36<retrospectacus>because your system was not running properly; /run was missing
14:36<gaga>i should have written "/run" before everything?
14:37<retrospectacus>.....no
14:37<gaga>sorry for being stupid, it's just my first linux experience ever.
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14:37<retrospectacus>that's OK. just don't forget your root password now.
14:37<gaga>i barely touched windows' cmd.
14:38<retrospectacus>gaga: let us know if you have any more debian questions or problems
14:38<gaga>ok. bye, thanks a lot again.
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15:19<jay_>hi...
15:19<jay_>please help..
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15:20<jay_>whats that...?
15:20<jay_>Error mounting /dev/sda4 at /media/jay/Jay Zeppelin: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sda4" "/media/jay/Jay Zeppelin"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
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15:38<edo>hello.
15:38<sney>hi
15:38<edo>how to do a screenshoot on debian?
15:38<edo>the image isn't on clipboard like under windows.
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15:39<sney>there's a 'screenshot' application under accessories
15:41<babilen>edo: What did you use to create the screenshot? It might simply be in XDG_PICTURES_DIR which I think defaults to ~/Photo
15:41<edo>oh, it goes to the pictures directory.
15:41<babilen>edo: I typically use shutter to create screenshots
15:41<edo>when i opened the screenshot program, i saw it saves them there. but pressing the prscreen is fine.
15:42<babilen>Err, it might be ~/Pictures ... /me should check in the freedesktop standard
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15:42<edo>i just pressed the prscreen button, babilen, and it goes there.
15:42<sney>I usually just use gm import so I had to go look
15:42<edo>anyway, i have another question...
15:42<babilen>http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
15:42<edo>does debian come with python?
15:43<edo>if so, how to run it?
15:43<sney>it's not always installed but there are several versions available
15:43<babilen>I would be very surprised if it is not installed
15:43<sney>it's a common enough dependency that you probably already have it installed, yeah
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15:43<babilen>dpkg: tell edo -about search
15:44<edo>yeah, i've heard linuxes usually come with python
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15:44<edo>babilen, how to search?
15:44<babilen>edo: I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html and also familiarise yourself with "apt-cache search SEARCHTERM" and "aptitude search SEARCHTERM" -- There are various python packages in Debian, but you will most likely already have the interpreter (2.7)
15:45<edo>when i want to install something on linux, do i use the apt or should i download the program from its site and install it like i would on windows?
15:45<edo>python for example.
15:46<edo>if i don't have it, should i just go to their site and download it?
15:46<retrospectacus>edo: you probably already have python, but you should *always* use apt and the repositories
15:47<babilen>edo: You should install everything using the package manager. It is *very* rarely a good idea or needed to download something from the internet and install it manually.
15:47<edo>okay. and when i install something, where will i find it? will it appear in the applications menu?
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15:47<retrospectacus>edo: sometimes, or it becomes a usable command on the terminal, or so.
15:48<edo>can i put/remove it manually in that menu?
15:48<retrospectacus>edo: you can run "dpkg -L foopackage" to see files that foopackage has installed
15:48<babilen>edo: That really depends on the application in question, but generally speaking: Yeah, it should appear in the Applications menu (if it makes sense for that application)
15:48<retrospectacus>edo: you can manage the menu with "alacarte" (for gnome)
15:49<edo>and are there no desktop shortcuts in debian?
15:49<retrospectacus>edo: that depends on the desktop environment you use
15:49<edo>gnome.
15:49<edo>fallback gnome, actually.
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15:51<retrospectacus>edo: let us know if you have any problems.
15:51<edo>okay, thanks. i'll look for python now.
15:52<retrospectacus>edo: simply run "python" on the terminal. If the interpreter starts, you have it.
15:52<edo>there it is indeed.
15:52<edo>i'm just used to using the IDE.
15:52<retrospectacus>generally you would write py code into a text file and run it by "python mycode.py"
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15:53<retrospectacus>edo: there are dozens of IDEs available, I recommend geany.
15:53<edo>aren't extensions obsolete in linux?
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15:53<retrospectacus>edo: no. They are not really necessary but you can use them to easily know what kind of file it is
15:54<edo>yeah, i see how confusing it might get if i saw no files extensions.
15:54<retrospectacus>and some programs may use them to decide e.g. what icon to represent a file with
15:54<retrospectacus>or the IDE, for syntax highlighting
15:54<edo>i'd like to replace python 2.7 with 3.2. how to uninstall this one?
15:55<edo>or just installing the new one will do it?
15:56<retrospectacus>edo: just apt-get install python3.2
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15:57<retrospectacus>your system probably needs to keep 2.7 for itself; you will need to configure your programs to use 3.2 somehow... why do you want 3.2?
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15:57<sney>(does python use alternatives?)
15:58<SamB>edo: you can't do that here
15:58<edo>actually i meant the latest python, which is 3.3.2 i'm following a book that focuses on py3k... i guess by the time i learn it well, it'll become the standard.
15:58<SamB>you'd need to modify packages and stuff
15:58<edo>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
15:58<edo>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
15:59<edo>got this.
15:59<sney>edo, if you replaced python 2.7 entirely then the things on your system that expect 2.7 would probably break. when you install 3.2, you'll get a separate binary (/usr/bin/python3 or something) which you can use for your scripts and things
15:59<sney>edo, see the question at the end of the second line.
15:59<SamB>just use #!/usr/bin/python3 in *your* scripts
15:59<edo>sorry sney, what question?
15:59<sney>edo, "are you root?"
15:59<edo>okay, sam.
15:59<SamB>also don't expect to be able to choose which Python to use when writing code to run inside another program
15:59<retrospectacus>edo: the error message is clear... please only ask here if you have a real problem
16:00<edo>so i should use the root termina.
16:00<edo>l*
16:00<edo>sorry retro, everything is new to me here.
16:00<sney>or su, or sudo
16:00<sney>!tell edo about refcard
16:01<edo>man, the password isn't working
16:01<edo>and it definitely isn't wrong.
16:02<edo>username isn't in the sudoers file
16:02<blast007>edo: 'su' uses the root password, while 'sudo' uses your user password (and requires that you have sudo rights)
16:03<retrospectacus>edo: just run "su" to become root, then proceed with your administrative task(s) and "logout" to go back to being your user
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16:42<BALTA00>¡Hola!
16:42<sk8dev>huhu
16:42<BALTA00>¿Alguien que hable Español?
16:43<sk8dev>english pls
16:43<BALTA00>Hello, anyone know spanish chanel?
16:43<daemonkeeper>!es
16:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:43-!-maria [~maria___@blk-237-107-38.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
16:43<BALTA00>Thanks
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16:46<BALTA00>in #debian-es no one answer :/
16:46<retrospectacus>BALTA00: you can ask your Debian question here in English.
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16:51<ciccio>!list
16:51<dpkg>ciccio: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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16:51<retrospectacus>:D
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16:53<stderr>Why is !list in Italian? It has been like that for a while.
16:55<SynrG>because it's a typical thing for an italian user to do on joining a channel offering warez
16:55<retrospectacus>only italians say !list
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16:55<retrospectacus>for some reason, in Italy, IRC = warez resource
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16:57<karol>ho
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16:57<SamB>shouldn't we be linking them to the ISO downloads?
16:58<SamB>not packages.debian.org ?
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16:58<retrospectacus>see /msg dpkg literal list
16:59<SamB>it's randomized or something?
17:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 616] by debhelper
17:00<karol>after installing the basic version (no Xserver) Debian 7.1 on the motherboard Intel D2500CCE
17:00<karol>I have a black screen (monitor turns off)
17:00<retrospectacus>yeah he'll say one of those 3 replys at random SamB
17:00<karol>you know where the problem might be?
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17:01<SamB>the link to packages.debian.org seems the least useful of the three
17:01<SamB>is it a joke because that lists what's available?
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17:01<retrospectacus>yeah, all tongue in cheek
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17:02<retrospectacus>karol: probably kms
17:02<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell karol about kms
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17:03<karol>retrospectacus: thank you
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17:07<polytropos>when you first install wheezy (7.1) the only repo in etc/apt/sources.list is "wheezy-updates"
17:07<polytropos>most of the online literature refers to "wheezy" on its own
17:08<polytropos>was i wrong to add "wheezy" lines in addition to "wheezy-update"S
17:08<polytropos>i am sorry, i am coming to debian from the rhel ecosystem
17:08<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell polytropos about sources.list
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17:09<retrospectacus>polytropos: not wrong, no.
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17:09<polytropos>retrospectacus, great, thank you. i was worried i made a mistake by adding that myself.
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17:10<retrospectacus>I think if you didn't add a network mirror during install it may be missing .
17:10<polytropos>yes, exactly, i was offline
17:10<polytropos>i had some firmware to install after the fact for wifi
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17:11<polytropos>thank you for helping me out
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17:12<retrospectacus>polytropos: no problem. let us know if you need help with the firmware. the dpkg robot knows all about that too, say "wifi" to him or so.
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17:56<cjac>hey folks
17:57<retrospectacus>cjac: howdy
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17:57<cjac>how do I determine whether unattended-upgrades has been set to do its thing?
17:57<cjac>I know that there are two steps to getting the upgrades going. 1: install the package; 2: dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
17:58<cjac>I'm writing a rule for lynis to check that these steps have been completed. I assume I have to ask debconf a question, but I don't know which one.
17:58<cjac>where's the code for the unattend-upgrades reconfigure menu?
17:58*cjac looks at the output of dpkg -L
17:58<SynrG>see /var/lib/dpkg/info
17:59<cjac>thanks, SynrG. you are faster than me.
17:59<SynrG>cjac: dpkg -L wouldn't tell you that.
17:59<SynrG>the scripts are package metadata, not package files
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18:00<cjac>I still feel new even after 17 years.
18:00<cjac>how do I ask debconf about unattended-upgrades/enable_auto_updates ?
18:00<neon>youtube is so slow today
18:00<cjac>neon: for you. I've got a google archive in a box on my back porch.
18:00<cjac>(but only in my imagination)
18:00<neon>I wonder if it is youtube or some problem in my network, or flashplayer
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18:01<SynrG>cjac: debconf-get-selections?
18:01<cjac>it's almost always flashplayer. that software. *sigh* it's __NEARLY__ as bad as java.
18:01<cjac>thanks, SynrG
18:01<neon>I thought java was good
18:01<retrospectacus>hooray for youtube-dl
18:01<SynrG>cjac: see also debconf-set-selections, its companion
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18:02<SynrG>and maybe the debian installation guide appendix on preseeding
18:02<neon>now an error occurred, please try again later
18:02<cjac>SynrG: excellent. thank you again!
18:02<SynrG>np. have fun :)
18:02<cjac>neon: who told you java was good? ;-)
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18:02<neon>I use clive sometimes, but for long videos.
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18:03<SamB>cjac: only nearly as bad as java?
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18:03<neon>I heard it is the best pl out there
18:03<neon> >:(
18:03<cjac>I'm currently unimpressed with oracle's community contributions.
18:04<neon>to java?
18:04<SamB>well yeah oracle sucks
18:04<neon>wasn't java of Sun?
18:04<SamB>it WAS
18:04<cjac>neon: to mysql currently. I am not overly concerned with how they contribute to java. the fact that they killed opensolaris makes me pissy.
18:04<SamB>until sun sold itself to oracle :-(
18:05<neon>so no java sucks?
18:05<neon>no/now
18:06<SamB>it's always sucked, but I didn't think it sucked as bad as Flash
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18:06<neon>hmmm
18:06<neon>I didn't think it sucked
18:07<cjac>the fact that the US courts even let Oracle buy Sun when Sun owned one of the very few RDBMSs not owned by Oracle makes me question the US court system
18:07<Arrowmaster>are you referring to java in general or just the browser plugin and comparing it to flash?
18:07<cjac>but at any rate, debconf-get-selections
18:07<SamB>there is no programming system which does not suck
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18:08<cjac>Arrowmaster: mostly the latter, but the nature of closed proprietary software that gets shoved down our throats in general
18:08<SamB>well, I think that's one area where Flash has the advantage
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18:09<SamB>because I heard adobe wasn't so enthusiastic about shoving it down anyone's throat anymore
18:10<Arrowmaster>adobe still wants everybody to use AIR though
18:10<Arrowmaster>which is terrible on linux
18:11<Arrowmaster>luckily its rare
18:11<neon>crap. It crashed again
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18:25<neon>can I make iceweasel support h.264 for html5?
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18:31<SynrG>neon: a better question might be: does firefox support n.264 for html5 on linux? and if so, in which version? you know about mozilla.debian.net, perhaps?
18:31<SynrG>h.264, pardon
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18:32<SynrG>so, basically, if upstream supports it in a certain version, mozilla.debian.net probably has it
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18:32<SynrG>s/it/iceweasel/ in that version
18:33<neon>aha
18:33<SynrG>http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/953141
18:33<neon>is it good to use that in testing?
18:33<SynrG>that says that so long as the codecs are there for your system, ff will use them ...
18:34<SynrG>neon: you'll see at mozilla.d.n a drop-down for which release ...
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18:34<SynrG>it will give appropriate deb lines for your release
18:34<retrospectacus>,v libx264-123
18:34<judd>Package: libx264-123 on i386 -- jessie: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; sid: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; wheezy: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1
18:34<neon>SynrG, they have unstable but not testing
18:35<blast007>"H.264 & MP3 support on Windows ... For Linux and Mac, work is in progress."
18:36<SynrG>neon: right. they can't guarantee the speedy migration of the deps from sid -> testing so at any given time, it may or may not work using deps from testing alone.
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18:37<blast007>neon: so I don't think it will matter what version of Iceweasel you install... they said that h.264 support is still not there yet for Linux.
18:37<neon>html5 hangs long time before it plays too
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18:38<SynrG>blast007: in an article dated jan 23, 2013. is that still the case?
18:39<blast007>I've yet to find anything suggesting otherwise
18:39<SynrG>so not even aurora supports it on linux?
18:41<blast007>something on reddit from two months ago said the nightlies of firefox still did not have h.264 support
18:41<SynrG>so it hinges on this? https://bugzil.la/794282
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18:42<SynrG>blast007: looks like some *very* recent updates moving in the right direction ...
18:42<blast007>heh, yeah
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18:44<SynrG>so the question is, how recent is the latest aurora build for moz.d.n?
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18:45<SynrG>Version: 23.0~a2+20130614004016-1
18:45<SynrG>the answer is ... "not recent enough"
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18:46<SynrG>blast007: i'm not familiar with their repo layout. what is 'mozilla-inbound'?
18:46<SynrG>that needs to pass approval first before it goes into aurora?
18:46<blast007>no idea
18:47<blast007>SynrG: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Inbound_Sheriff_Duty
18:47<SynrG>ya
18:48<SynrG>i just landed there :)
18:48<blast007>:)
18:49<SynrG>so best case, a day after it hits mozilla-inbound, it could be on its way to mozilla-central ...
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18:49<SynrG>and it looks like about a 4-day lag between last nightly build to hit moz.d.n aurora ...
18:49<SynrG>so, best case, 5 days from now, try again
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18:50<SynrG>neon: ^^
18:50<SynrG>and by "try again" i mean, see if aurora build from moz.d.n contains the necessary patch to use gstreamer, which is apparently key to making h.264 work on linux
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18:51<neon>aurora?
18:52<SynrG>find it in the moz.d.n drop-down for version
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18:53<SynrG>and track the upstream buzilla bug i linked above. the patch has to get into mozilla-central before it makes it into a nightly build
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18:55<SynrG>neon: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Channels#Aurora
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18:56<SynrG>hm, there is one more step between hitting mozilla-central and making it to aurora, then, that i didn't account for
18:56<SynrG>i have no idea how long that takes (maybe that's the 4-day lag i noted above?)
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19:06<SynrG>neon: ah, my interpretation is overly optimistic, it seems. http://mozilla.github.io/process-releases/draft/development_overview/ explains the relationship
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19:40<porto>about
19:41<porto>hi how upgrade 7.0 to 7.1?
19:42<retrospectacus>porto: apt-get upgrade
19:42<porto>i did that :/
19:42<retrospectacus>great :)
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19:43<retrospectacus>porto: any other questions?
19:43<porto>hum
19:43<porto>http://pastebin.com/nP24scBM
19:44<porto>i think doesn't upgrade
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19:44<retrospectacus>that won't change.
19:45<porto>hum
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19:46<porto>aptitude safe-upgrade ?
19:47<porto>sNo LSB modules are available.
19:47<porto>Distributor ID: Debian
19:47<porto>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy)
19:47<porto>Release: 7.1
19:47<porto>Codename: wheezy
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19:47<sney>aptitude safe-upgrade and apt-get upgrade do the same th- ok
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19:47<porto>ops
19:47<sney>aptitude safe-upgrade and apt-get upgrade do the same thing
19:47<porto>yap
19:47<porto>i have the debian 7.1 :S
19:47<porto>:D
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19:47<porto>sorry
19:47<porto>lsb_release -a
19:48<porto>;)
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19:54<cjac>is there a way to list only packages without output in the format pkg_name=pkg_version ?
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19:54<cjac>er, only installed packages
19:54<retrospectacus>cjac: you mean "with"?
19:55<cjac>yes. how'd that out get in there?
19:55<cjac>I'm on a conf call. that's probably it.
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19:55<retrospectacus>cjac: well, nothing built into apt or dpkg that I know of. You can do it with awk
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19:56<cjac>yeah, I wanted to fix some slow code: http://paste2.org/LV2yftWX
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19:58<babilen>cjac: Use a suitable aptitude search expression (e.g. ~i) and format string for -F
19:58<cjac>babilen: thanks!
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19:59<babilen>cjac: Your usecase is even discussed in aptitude(1) for -F -- But then, what really is the best approach depends on what you want to do with it.
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20:01<retrospectacus>cjac: I came up with: dpkg -l| awk 'BEGIN{OFS="=";}/^ii/{print $2,$3;}'
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20:02<cjac>retrospectacus: speedy!
20:02<cjac>real 0m0.179s
20:02<cjac>user 0m0.068s
20:02<cjac>sys 0m0.032s
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20:03*babilen mumbles paste.debian.org or simply "don't" ;)
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21:22<cjac>babilen: sorry sir
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21:23<cjac>okay, so this bourne script is super slow. it turns out it is running echo "$timestamp $packagename $version" > $LOGFILE in a tight loop
21:24<cjac>I thought I might be able to speed it up by batching up the lines to be dumped to $LOGFILE and doing a single write at the end
21:24<cjac>but the shell script doesn't seem to recognize any global variables, so I can't append to the output string
21:24<cjac>maybe this is a better topic for #bash
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21:45<wesley>hi I am trying to install debian to a usb from Ubuntu 13.04 b4bit and have had no luck
21:46<wesley>I have tried multiple install methods but nothing works
21:46<wesley>I am really eager to get away from Ubuntu but every single time I try I cannot get it right so can you all help me?
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21:47<themill>so you're trying to put the debian installer onto a usb stick so you can then reinstall from that usb stick?
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22:17<neeel>can anyone answer grub questions?/
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