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---Logopened Wed Jun 19 00:00:12 2013
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00:23<Sisyphus>Anyone in here ATM?
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00:27<knoppix_>can someone recommend a good linux mint help channel ?
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00:27<Sisyphus>Maybe. I'll look around.
00:28<Guest352>I have a little issue with mint 14 and compiz
00:28<themill>Guest352: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
00:28<Guest352>thanks
00:28<SamB>hmm, let me check something ...
00:28<SamB>!mint
00:28<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
00:30<Guest352>no one there but me, bummer
00:30<Guest352>lets try this
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00:31<Guest352>why do I get nothing but wallpaper image after installing compiz
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00:34<Sisyphus>@ knoppix_ I think this will help you out:
00:34<Sisyphus>http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12
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00:43<Sisyphus>Wow, this chat is all over the place, haha.
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00:43<Sisyphus>Sorry Guest352; I'm a noon.
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02:50<Alroy>Hello.
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02:50<Alroy>Is it possible to report a bug in wheezy here?
02:50<Alroy>/usr/share/alacarte/Alacarte/util.py is buggy.
02:50<jm_>what's the point in reporting it here?
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02:51<Alroy>I don't know.
02:51<Alroy>It's probably known already.
02:51<jm_>you better use BTS (you can also check if it's known there)
02:52<Alroy>Thanks, going to check it out.
02:52<jm_>!bts
02:52<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
02:53<Alroy>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=705387
02:54<Alroy>There it is!
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02:54<Alroy>How comes it hasn't been rectified yet?
02:55<SamB>there are still some 4-digit bugs that haven't been fixed yet :-(
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02:56<jm_>Alroy: it has been fixed - did you read the entire page?
02:56<Alroy>Yes.
02:57<jm_>but the fix is only in version 3.7.90
02:57<Alroy>It's 3.5.3-1 in wheezy.
02:57<jrabbit>Alroy: you can patch it by hand
02:57<Alroy>Already patched it on the system here.
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02:58<jrabbit>it's a bitannoying given what a useful tool it is
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02:59<Alroy>It's essential to chance the menu, else I wouldn't have noticed the bug.
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03:00<Alroy>change*
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03:04<Alroy>It's not helping to remove a starter symbol anyways.
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03:31<abz>hello. i happen to have multiple kernel modules with the same name on my /lib/modules/ sub-directories. how can I find out which one has been loaded?
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03:33<rjsalts>abz: uname -r
03:34<jm_>abz: modprobe -v shall tell you
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03:41<rjsalts>abz: do you mean you have /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/stuff/foo.ko and /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/things/foo.ko? or just /lib/modules/1.2.3.4-amd64/kernel/stuff/foo.ko and /lib/modules/1.2.3.5-amd64/...
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03:41<abz>rjsalts: with the same kernel version, too
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03:45<spiky25>Hello, I will need some help to know where to start, I have now a remastersys based iso, I need to add a simple installer for users to it *ubiquity, debian-installer, anaconda ...*, as I'm virgin and not knowledgeable on that side, would it be possible to have some help just to know where to start/check ???
03:45<rjsalts>abz: I think I might have it. /sys/module/$name/srcversion compared with modinfo /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/path/to/module.ko | grep sourceversion:
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03:49<abz>rjsalts: great, thank you
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04:35<fanto666>Hello... are debian menu entries deprecated in favour of .desktop files?
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04:37<rjsalts>fanto666: I think it depends on what window manager you're using, but I'm not 100% sure
04:38<fanto666>I mesn the packages... should they have menu sntries or can they be skipped when there are .desktop entries?
04:38<rjsalts>fanto666: the .desktop file is a freedesktop standard as far as I'm aware, which means if the window manager supports the freedesktop spec then it can cope with a .desktop
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04:38<zW>Hi. Any landscape user awake ?
04:38<rjsalts>fanto666: but there are window managers which do not implement the freedesktop spec
04:39<spiky25>No real geeks have seen a landscape since they known computing ;)
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04:39<babilen_>zW: What is a landscape user?
04:39<fanto666>that's it. I just got bug 708813 (missing menu entry) closed because desktop entry exists
04:40<spiky25>It's known like a unicorn for geeks.
04:40<zW>babilen_: or foreman :)
04:41<zW>I need some tips. I'm looking for a way to centralize updates of +1000 debian boxes (bare metal and vm)
04:41<zW>But I need to be able to schedule updates on certain dates/hours, and recieve feedback if all updates are sucessfull.
04:41<zW>Is there something for debian that can do that ?
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04:41<jm_>fanto666: policy manuals seems to mention menu only, not desktop files
04:41<rjsalts>fanto666: .desktop entries should work fine for gnome and kde
04:41<babilen_>zW: Are you mayhaps looking for #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server?
04:41<fanto666>rjsalts: I don't use either
04:42<babilen_>zW: (both are on irc.freenode.net)
04:42<zW>babilen_: no i'm talking about squeeze/wheezy
04:42<fanto666>I use window manager that uses menu
04:42<babilen_>zW: Ah, yeah -- I finally saw your real question :)
04:42<zW>:)
04:42<spiky25>Offline mirror, use the debian dvds fetched with Jigdo then put then on a NAS then use it as the main update mirror ...
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04:42<zW>babilen_: I need a way to schedule updates and if possible decide to exclude packages from upgrade etc ...
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04:43<zW>Redhat has it satelite/spacewalk system ... is there something alike for debian ?
04:43<babilen>zW: Puppet is frequently used for configuration management and people are fond of monitoring solutions like Icinga (various alternatives exist for both) -- Not sure what landscape does exactly and therefore cannot suggest alternatives.
04:43<zW>babilen: forget landscape :) check my other question :)
04:44<spiky25>ZW to exclude packages, there's Synaptic that allow to lock versions, to schedule just run cron command.
04:44<zW>Puppet is for configuration, Icinga for monitoring
04:44<zW>But there is nothing for updates ...
04:44<babilen>zW: Well, it took us a while to arrive at your real question. You managed quite admirably to throw me off track.
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04:44<zW>spiky25: ok, but then you don't have any form of feedback if package updates fail.
04:44<zW>babilen: yeah I know, sorry :-)
04:45<fanto666>rjsalts: does the debian package policy allow missing menu entries?
04:45<rjsalts>fanto666: not sure, I haven't read them
04:45<spiky25>Debian rarely break, it's not Archlinux, I guess that you could do without, there's apt-pinning that could be useful to have access to packages of every branch but it could mess a local/offline mirror maybe.
04:46<spiky25>Usually Debian is the last distro to fail after OpenBSD ;)
04:48<spiky25>And a local/offline mirror would minimize the risks using an offline access to updates, the mirror will be the only machine to upgrade, if it don't work, just revert the change with apt-pinning and don't allow the updated packages to be accessible to others computers using the mirror ...
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04:49<spiky25>http://www.osdisc.com/products/debian-70-10-dvd-set-pc.html *32 bits*
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04:50<spiky25>http://www.osdisc.com/products/debian/debian-70-10-dvd-set-64bit-pc.html *64 bits*
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04:51<babilen>zW: http://projects.puppetlabs.com/projects/1/wiki/debian_patterns (see last point) -- There are also variuos other approaches such as using apt-dater which might be more to your liking
04:51<babilen>zW: Are you using puppet already?
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04:53<babilen>There are also tools such as unattended-upgrades or the various "cluster" shells (dancer, clusterssh, rssh, ...) but that approach comes with its own downsides.
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04:55<voltagex>Anyone know anything about the packaging of guile? I'm looking for the git-dpm repo but it's nowhere to be found
04:55<voltagex>waiting on a response to my email to the maintainer.
04:55<zW>babilen: only for ssh key/sudoers deployment
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04:56<musca>zW: cfengine has been developed since 20 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_configuration_management_software
04:57<babilen>zW: What you are looking for is http://www.puppetcookbook.com/posts/latest-package.html -- but then this is rather a discussion for #puppet on irc.freenode.net
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04:57<jm_>voltagex: QA page has a link to repository if it exists
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04:57<voltagex>jm_: no such luck
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05:01<babilen>zW: https://github.com/stankevich/puppet-aptitude (but ask in #puppet if you already use it and search yourself, don't forget to check apt-dater)
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05:14<boss>hi
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05:15<Guest373>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
05:15<max4geants>hi
05:15<Guest373>how aren you
05:16<SynrG>do you have a support question? if not, this is not the right place to be.
05:16<SynrG>debian support question, that is
05:16<max4geants>I have a support question
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05:17<Guest373>is support debian hd games ?
05:17<max4geants>for debian squeeze... is the right place?
05:17<SynrG>max4geants: yes
05:17<max4geants>ok
05:17<SynrG>Guest373: 'hd' is a poorly defined term. can you be more specific?
05:18<max4geants>I can't start X server
05:18<max4geants>when i lunch startx
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05:18<max4geants>I only see black screen
05:18<Guest373>where did i find debian supported games
05:18<max4geants>with white mouse
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05:20<max4geants>my graphic card is: intel g45/g43 chipset
05:20<Guest373>i face some problem while installing software in the system what is the problem ?
05:21<abz>.exe and .msi are windows software bundles which are generally not compatible with gnu/linux systems
05:21<abz>;)
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05:22<radubogdan>i'm stuck trying to upgrade 3.2.0 to 3.9
05:22<Guest373>but this softwares are already in add/remove settings
05:23<SynrG>max4geants: well, we need more information. for instance, do you have a window manager installed? if so, which one? are there errors in ~/.xsession-errors (paste at paste.debian.net) or in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
05:23<peter1138>hmm, how do i set an interface to promiscuous mode?
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05:23<Guest373>thanks
05:23<SynrG>radubogdan: #debian-next perhaps, if you're on testing or unstable ...
05:23<radubogdan>thanks
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05:24<SynrG>Guest373: "some problem" is not precise enough for us to help.
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05:24<SynrG>Guest373: please explain what it is you're doing, what you expect to happen, and what happens instead.
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05:26<Guest373>ok i will explain latter
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05:28<Guest373>i am trying to install/add games from the add/remove option of the system tool but this are not correctly installed/added .
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05:28<max4geants>yes, my window manager is gdm. In /.xsession-error i found this: xrdb: can't open display '' xhost: unable to open display "" windows manager error: unable to open X display
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05:29<musca>!intel-gfx
05:29<dpkg>[intel-gfx] The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, including the i810, 915{G,GM}, 945{G,GM,GME}, 946GZ, 965{G,GM,Q}, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41; the <GMA 500> is not supported. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel, see also <intel-gfx shadow>. http://x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ #intel-gfx on irc.freenode.net.
05:29<fae>peter1138: man ifconfig ; ifconfig <iface> promisc
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05:30<peter1138>thanks but foudn it in the end
05:31<peter1138>too used to using ip, but man ip doesn't say anything. man ip link does, but that's not entirely intuitive
05:32<fae>indeed
05:32<SynrG>Guest373: you still need to explain what "not correctly installed/added" means to you, because we have no idea.
05:32<SynrG>max4geants: gdm is not a window manager
05:32<SynrG>max4geants: do you also have gdm running?
05:32<peter1138>and if it wasn't for bug 697357 i wouldn't need it
05:33<SynrG>max4geants: if you do, you don't want to be using startx to start a session. you simply login using gdm.
05:34<SynrG>max4geants: do you have a ~/.xsesssion or ~/.xinitrc? if so, please paste at paste.debian.net
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05:44<tgs3>why portmap, rpc are running by default and appear to listen on * ? how to disable them?
05:44<stdhell>tgs3: Are you using NFS?
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05:45<edo>hello.
05:45<edo>i need some help around the sudoers file...
05:46<max4geants>SynrG: ok I have past Xsession that i foun di /etc/X11
05:46<tgs3>stdhell: it's default system. I dont need nfs
05:46<weasel>then purge nfs-common and portmap and friends
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05:46<tgs3>edo: oki ask your question
05:46<SynrG>max4geants: a) that's not what i asked for (and unless you modified it, i don't need to see it) and b) you didn't give the URL for your paste
05:46<max4geants>and .xinitrc that is in /etc/X11/xinit
05:47<edo>anyway, yesterday after I've installed debian I noticed that the sudo command didn't work, and the terminal returned me that the user edo isn't in the sudoers file.
05:47<edo>so i googled it
05:47<edo>and learned that i can edit the sudoers file with visudo -f sudoers
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05:47<SynrG>max4geants: no, i asked specifically for ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xsession ... if you have neither, i don't need to know the /etc/X11 files unless you've modified those.
05:47<weasel>edo: as root, yes.
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05:47<weasel>(or just visudo, no arguments needed)
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05:48<edo>i added edo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL below the root
05:48<edo>and used ctrl-o to save it.
05:48<SynrG>max4geants: you didn't address my other concern. gdm is not a window manager. what window manager do you use? and if you are using gdm, why are you using startx?
05:48<Guest373>ANY INFORMATION ABOUT XBMC MEDEA CENTER
05:48<weasel>Guest373: don't shout.
05:48<edo>unfortunately that deleted everything from the sudoers file, now it's completely empty.
05:49<weasel>erm. that seems wrong.
05:49<edo>can i paste this? http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/sample.sudoers
05:49<weasel>edo: that's way overkill.
05:49<weasel>edo: wheezy?
05:49<edo>yes
05:49<weasel>give me a second
05:49<max4geants>gnome
05:49<stdhell>I don't use sudo, but isn't it enough to be in the "sudo" or "admin" group?
05:50<weasel>http://www.palfrader.org/volatile/2013-06-19-DcnKgj72uYE/stdin
05:50<weasel>edo: ^ that's the default sudoers file.
05:50<Guest373> i am just asking about xbmc media center
05:50<weasel>edo: you could also just add yourself to the sudo group. (adduser edo sudo)
05:50<stdhell>Guest373: No, you were yelling about it.
05:51<Guest373>sorry
05:51<Guest373>i did not understand
05:51<edo>okay, i exited with ctrl-x now
05:51<edo>and then y
05:51<edo>now i'll use adduser edo sudo as root
05:52<edo>hm, command didn't add me to the sudoers file...
05:53<weasel>edo: no, it added you to the sudo group, which already is in the sudoers file
05:53<weasel>| %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
05:53<Raziel>Hey guize, if I want to properly use processes that don't really like being in the background in the background I should get screen, right?
05:53<SynrG>Guest373: so far, i have nothing but very random questions from you with no details whatsoever. first you asked about debian supported games (you are running debian, i hope? not some derivative instead?) then you said, vaguely, that you have some problem installing things, but didn't say what the problem is. now you ask about xbmc media center, but again provide no details ...
05:53<weasel>Raziel: or fix those processes.
05:53<stdhell>Raziel: If they're text-based, yes...
05:53<edo>it returns me again edo is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
05:53<weasel>edo: you will probably have to log in again
05:54<tgs3>Guest373: join #xbmc channel
05:54<Raziel>they're text-based and I'm working ssh only, so yeah
05:54<SynrG>Guest373: so, please: what are you trying to accomplish? what action/command/etc. did you try? what did you expect to happen? what happened instead? (error messages, etc.)
05:54<edo>weasel, does case matter?
05:54<weasel>edo: yes. always.
05:54<edo>oh...
05:54<weasel>?
05:54<edo>but the terminal calls me edo, and in the upper-right corner i'm Edo.
05:54<weasel>one is probably your username, the other gecos information
05:54<max4geants>gdm not start on boot
05:54<weasel>edo: what does 'id edo' say?
05:55<SynrG>max4geants: so if you're running gnome, why are you trying to start it with startx instead of gdm, which is the normal way?
05:55<edo>uid=1000(edo) gid=1000(edo) groups=1000(edo),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),105(scanner),110(bluetooth),112(netdev)
05:55<stdhell>I see "27(sudo)"...
05:55<weasel>perfect.
05:55<weasel>edo: so in your next login, edo should be in the sudo group.
05:56<weasel>edo: (you can probably test by using 'su - edo' and then run sudo)
05:56<edo>so i should just reboot and it'll be fine?
05:56<SynrG>max4geants: ah, ok ... if gdm not starting at boot was your problem, you should have started with that.
05:56<stdhell>edo: Debian is not Windows...
05:56<SynrG>max4geants: sorry, i missed that in the scroll until just now :)
05:56<weasel>edo: you don't need to reboot. logout/login is fine too.
05:56<weasel>(reboot also works, but is a bit excessive :)
05:56<edo>okay, i'll try it.
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05:57<SynrG>max4geants: how did you install debian? did this work before? if so, what changed since then?
05:58<SynrG>max4geants: intel g45/g43 should 'just work' if you installed debian and gnome properly.
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05:58<edo>well it works, thanks!
05:58<weasel>you're welcome
05:58<weasel>glad it works
05:58<edo>now, does anyone here run debian on laptop?
05:59<SynrG>lots. but i don't see how that's relevant.
05:59<edo>when i close it and open it again, the screen remains completely black and unresponsive.
05:59<SynrG>what is "it"
05:59<max4geants>before system update all work ok
05:59<edo>my laptop
06:00<Raziel>The lid?
06:00<SynrG>aha
06:00<max4geants>i have not installed debian
06:00<edo>yes, yes.
06:00<edo>windows would give me the login screen.
06:00<SynrG>max4geants: upgraded from what to what, then?
06:00<Raziel>sounds like it tries to go into sleep and then fails at waking up
06:00<max4geants>i found this situation
06:00<max4geants>ok
06:00<stdhell>edo: Well, in that case, yes, someone here does run debian on their laptop...
06:00<SynrG>max4geants: are you saying that you don't *run* debian, or that this is just not a fresh install of debian?
06:00<max4geants>now the kernel is 3.2.0.4-686-pae
06:01<edo>so is there a way to change the behavior when closing the lid?
06:01<Raziel>Well, there should be!
06:01*Raziel has no idea where tho...
06:02<SynrG>edo: i don't konw how it is with your system. when i open my lid, i have to press a key to wake it up.
06:02<SynrG>edo: do any of the indicator lights change state when you reopen your lid?
06:02<edo>hm, i'm not sure.
06:02<edo>if i test it, i'll have to restart it...
06:02<SynrG>but yes, you can change behaviour when closing the lid
06:02<edo>but clicking any key definitely didn't work.
06:02<SynrG>edo: i didn't follow all of the above. are you using gnome?
06:03<edo>yes.
06:03<max4geants>it's not a fresh install of debian
06:03<edo>it's fallback gnome actually.
06:03<SynrG>max4geants: ok. so you are running which release? wheezy? (current stable) something else?
06:03<edo>wheezy. downloaded it yesterday.
06:04<edo>but my laptop is old so i'm running fallback gnome.
06:04<SynrG>edo: well, the which release was for max4geants. but anyway ... gnome power manager has settings. i forget in gnome classic how to get there as i run gnome-shell
06:05<SynrG>edo: there are separate settings for the lid action for on AC vs. battery
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06:06<SynrG>edo: in gnome-shell, i change my lid action with dconf-editor ... it's a bit non-obvious :p in gnome-classic, i'm not sure.
06:06<edo>i'll try that
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06:07<max4geants>debian 6.0
06:07<max4geants>squeeze
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06:09<SynrG>max4geants: ok, so does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain 'stable' entries?
06:09<SynrG>max4geants: if so, when you did your last upgrade, it was not simply an upgrade of squeeze, but from squeeze to wheezy.
06:09<SynrG>max4geants: wheezy is the new stable.
06:10<SynrG>max4geants: and if you didn't do an apt-get dist-upgrade (or apt-get upgrade) then you probably have a partially upgraded system ... which is why things don't work now.
06:11<SynrG>bleah, i botched that
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06:11<SynrG>max4geants: and if you didn't do an apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude dist-upgrade) then you probably have a partially upgraded system ... which is why things don't work now.
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06:11<SynrG>max4geants: how did you do your upgrade?
06:12<edo>if anyone's interested, the laptop lid thing can be changed in gnome-tweak-tool...
06:12<SynrG>max4geants: and please use paste.debian.net (and give us the URL this time) to show us your /etc/apt/sources.list
06:12<SynrG>edo: ah, right. sorry, it was a long time ago so i forgot this :)
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06:12<SynrG>edo: in releases of gnome3 prior to the wheezy release, it was done differently.
06:13<edo>it's okay, thanks anyway. bye! :)
06:13<SynrG>ok. later
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06:14<max4geants>http://paste.debian.net/11280/
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06:15<max4geants>upgrade last week
06:16<SynrG>max4geants: so, this is even worse than i thought because it contains a mix of "squeeze" entries and "stable" entries.
06:16<SynrG>max4geants: please be aware that if you want to stay on one specific codenamed release you should always use just the codename
06:16<SynrG>as "stable" always points at the current stable release, which before your upgrade was squeeze, and is now wheezy
06:17<SynrG>i take it that it was a very long time since you upgraded last?
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06:17<SynrG>wheezy was released over a month ago.
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06:18<max4geants>yes very long time since last upgraded
06:18<SynrG>max4geants: anyway, there is no going *back* to squeeze now for you. the only way forward is to wheezy.
06:18<SynrG>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
06:18<dpkg>Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
06:19<SynrG>max4geants: do that ^^
06:19<max4geants>ooooook perfect
06:19<SynrG>get rid of anywhere that it says 'stable' and use 'wheezy' instead, as well as changing all 'squeeze' to 'wheezy'. also, please note that this means you have some duplicated lines ...
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06:20<SynrG>line 5 and 8 meant the same thing back when squeeze was stable ...
06:20<SynrG>so just delete line 8
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06:20<max4geants>perfect and i change squeeze to wheezy
06:21<SynrG>max4geants: then the missing thing that you probably didn't do that is mentioned in the factoid above is the dist-upgrade.
06:22<SynrG>when it is all done, if you still have problems, see us here again.
06:22<SynrG>and be very specific about what's happening (using paste.debian.net to show us the full output of the commands you do)
06:23<max4geants>yes, i haven't launched dist-upgrade
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06:23<SynrG>ok. well, good luck.
06:24<max4geants>ok. thank you very very much SynrG
06:24<SynrG>np.
06:24<SynrG>also, it may not be me who helps you next time. i have to work :)
06:24<SynrG>but there are many other capable helpers here. just don't forget ... *be specific*
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06:25<max4geants>understood
06:25<max4geants>but i'm not very capable and expert with linux -.-"
06:26<max4geants>sorry for my inexperience
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06:27<SynrG>!smart questions
06:27<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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06:28<SynrG>max4geants: ^^ this is good general advice that if you read and learn from it, will help you, no matter where you're going for help
06:28<SynrG>you don't need to be an expert in linux to learn how to ask smart questions.
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06:29<SynrG>and you don't need to apologize for your inexperience. we were all there, once. :)
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06:30<max4geants>;) thanks
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06:31<max4geants>now I eat and after start my hard work :D
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07:12<stdhell>I just installed movabletype-opensource on a wheezy-box. When I go to "Tools"->"Backup" and try to create a backup it seems like the .tgz is created, but then I get "Undefined subroutine &MT::FileMgr::Local::_local called". Has anyone else seen that problem?
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07:16<fanto666>how do I reopen a bugreport?
07:16<SynrG>is it archived yet?
07:16<SynrG>if archived, you don't. you just file a new bug and xref to the old.
07:17<SynrG>what's the bug#?
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07:18<jm_>fanto666: in general it's described here http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control
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07:19<SynrG>i would argue most of the time, opening a new bug is the right thing to do, in any case.
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07:20<SynrG>bug closures with fixes are usually accompanied by a Closed: in the changelog of the fixed package. it's confusing (if not outright wrong) to have more than one of those for the same bug.
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07:22<fanto666>I believe this is not the case
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07:24<zW>Hi
07:24<zW>Is there a way to exclude the kernel from an apt-get upgrade ?
07:24<fanto666>synrg: I have asked pkg maintainer to include a menu file for the package. The maintainer has closed it commenting that a desktop file exists. However debian policy manual 9.6 says pkg should include menu file. I haven't found policy related to desktop entries yet, however I think the menu file should be provided so I'd like to reopen the bug stating this.
07:24<SynrG>was the bug closed by you? reopening bugs not closed by you without discussion with the maintainer first may not go over well (depends on the circumstances, which is why i asked for the bug#)
07:25<fanto666>,bug 707851
07:25<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/707851 in debian-policy (open): «debian-policy: soften the wording recommending menu files»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-05-11; last modified: 2013-05-15.
07:25<fanto666>just reading this
07:25<SynrG>if the bug is not yet archived, you can still file additional info on the bug without re-opening, asking for it to be re-opened.
07:25<SynrG>but bug status wars are rarely productive :p
07:27<fanto666>well I think I will comment that after I read the bug above
07:27<SynrG>fanto666: 'should' is not 'must'
07:28<fanto666>yes, however the current status ..., because this way I don't have packages in menu entries, and my WM does not use .desktop entries
07:28<fanto666>having dupes is better than having no entry imho.
07:28<jm_>wow what a long bug report
07:29<zW>:)
07:29<SynrG>yeah. not everyone agrees 'menu' is relevant anymore
07:29<zW>Anyone has an answer to my q ? :)
07:29<SynrG>which is why i caution about a bug status war ...
07:29<SynrG>zW: there is some kernel-img.conf or so, iirc
07:29<SynrG>i forget exactly
07:30<fanto666>zW do you want to avoid security upgrade of your kernel?
07:30<SynrG>oh, from an upgrade, humm ...
07:30<zW>fanto666: Yes and no. I do kernel updates, but not unattented
07:31<SynrG>zW: here's the thing. you may, if you wish, simply remove the generic (unversioned) kernel metapackage(s)
07:31<SynrG>in that case, if there is ever a change in kernel version (e.g. an ABI bump, or new upstream ...)
07:31<SynrG>you will not get that upgrade.
07:31<zW>isn't there a "holf" function ?
07:31<zW>I mean "hold"
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07:31<SynrG>there is that, too. but the way i describe may meet your needs better.
07:32<SynrG>so, what that would do is would allow you to receive upgrades that *do not* have an ABI bump
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07:32<SynrG>addressing the security fix concern
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07:32<fanto666>zW the hold function will stop fixing security upgrades
07:32<SynrG>i have to run. bus to catch to work. later, people.
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07:34<fanto666>synrg described the way you want.
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07:46<rjsalts>Why are programs giving an error such as "ssh: Could not resolve hostname blahblahbla: No such file or directory" when dns resolution fails?
07:46<rjsalts>rather than just the Could not resolve hostname
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08:15<fanto666>rjsalts maybe something that resolves hostnames produces that error... what do you have in /etc/nsswitch.conf for "hosts"?
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08:29<tgs3>with scponlyc (scponlyC !) shell, when I loging as fish://ftp@ftp.server/ I can't connect, auth.log says scponly[22163]: bad request: echo FISH:;exec /bin/sh -c "if env true 2>/dev/null; then env PS1= PS2= TZ=UTC LANG=C LC_ALL=C LOCALE=C /bin/sh; else PS1= PS2= TZ=UTC LANG=C LC_ALL=C LOCALE=C /bin/sh; fi" [username: ftp(1008), IP/port: ....
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08:30<rjsalts>fanto666: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4, but getent hosts foobarbaz doesn't cause the error
08:30<tgs3>and doing sshfs results in subsystem: exec() /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server failed: /usr/lib/sftp-server with error No such file or directory(2)
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08:31<OdyX>i/win 38
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08:33<jm_>it would probably be best to look in the code how it writes that error message
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08:38<rjsalts>strace tells me why
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08:38<fanto666>rjsalts what program exactly does show you the error "ssh: Could not resolve hostname blahblahbla: No such file or directory" ?
08:39<fanto666>looks like a program does not understand ssh's error code
08:39<jm_>for ssh it uses gai_strerror so it must be coming from resolver
08:40<jm_>or rather, it properly handles EAI_SYSTEM and calls strerror for that
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08:41<rjsalts>fanto666: it was looking for /etc/mdns.allow
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08:42<fanto666>tgs3 looks like fish does not support scponly
08:43<fanto666>is the target machine debian too? do /usr/lib/sftp-server and /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server exist?
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08:49<blast007>tgs3: Looks like scponly was removed from Debian before the Wheezy release. Seems like there is support for what scponly does right in the OpenSSH server daemon. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590
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08:50<bropane>hey guys is this a general lounge or do we get to ask questions too?
08:50<blast007>bropane: this is the Debian support channel
08:51<bropane>oh ok
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08:54<bropane>here's the thing i have a debian box using wlan0 for internet and eth1 for connecting to my other pc under 10.0.0.x . Now i want to disable my wifi from my other pc and use the debian box to give internet to the other pc through eth1.
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08:55<bropane>tried http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC
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08:56<bropane>problem is i don't seem to ba able and register the ebtables rules
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08:56<tgs3>blast007: hmm
08:57<tgs3>blast007: wsn;t thgat less secure
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08:57<bropane>what options do i have?
08:57<fanto666>do you need ebtables at all?
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08:58<fanto666>i think just bridging should be enough, shouldn't it?
08:58<bropane>no
08:58<tgs3>blast007: seems interesting, thanks
08:58<bropane>when try to bridge wlan0 and eth1
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08:58<bropane>it returns a functionality not supported error
08:59<bropane>specifiacally if i try brctl addif br0 eth0 eth1
08:59<bropane>eth1 wlan0 *
08:59<bropane>it works between ethernet ports but not between ethernet and wifi
09:01<fanto666>going through http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections ?
09:01<bropane>the problem is that i add the 3 ebtables rules just someone would do with iptables but when i do iptables -L i see all chains are empty
09:01<blast007>bropane: can you post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file to http://paste.debian.net ?
09:01<blast007>you mean when you do ebtables -L ?
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09:02<bropane>-L lists the rules of ebtables
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09:02<blast007>right, but you said iptables -L
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09:02<bropane>typo
09:03<bropane>sorry ^^
09:03<bropane>ebtables -L
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09:04<bropane>give me a moment about interfaces
09:05<blast007>Would also be useful to pastebin the commands you were running along with the output. I won't necessarily be able to help, but it'll provide someone else with the info they need to assist.
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09:10<bropane>the commands are exactly as stated in the tutorial but i'm going to paste the 3 for ebtables
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09:11<blast007>well, it's less for what commands, and more for the supposed errors you were getting
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09:12<bropane>well here's the strange part i don't get any error swhen i run the ebtables commands
09:12<bropane>they just don't register
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09:18<bropane>ok
09:18<bropane>http://paste.debian.net/11310/
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09:18<edo>hello, just a quick question...
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09:19<edo>how do i open rar archives
09:19<edo>i need the rar and unrar command
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09:20<babilen>edo: Install it!
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09:20<babilen>dpkg: tell edo -about search
09:20<edo>apt-get install rar doesn't work
09:21<blast007>edo: did you enable the non-free repository?
09:21<edo>no.
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09:22<babilen>edo: Also read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html and make sure that you have <non-free> enabled. A suitable sources.list for wheezy looks like http://paste.debian.net/11311/
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09:23<blast007>bropane: for the ebtables commands, did you actually fill in the MAC and IP address in place of the $MAC_OF_BRIDGE and $IP, or at least set those variables?
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09:24<bropane>entered them manually as i wrote the commands
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09:25<blast007>so in other words your pastebin isn't actually what you ran?
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09:26<bropane>well the $ parts where changed to the appropriate values. im stating it above in the comments
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09:31<bropane>actually my assumption for MAC_OF_BRIDGE is wrong
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09:32<bropane>did brctl addr br0
09:32<bropane>then ip link show and i;m getting a mac for br0
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09:38<thcnbl>hai, im looking for someone with UCARP experiance, my question is, can i use UCARP als ip failover on the same server. eth0 and eth1 go on different switches.
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09:57<C4709>I have a problem tap to click touchpad on my eeepc is not working in Debian 7
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09:58<C4709>and there is no option to enable it in mouse and keyboard settings
09:58<C4709>I m using debian 7.0 lxde
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09:58<C4709>any solution for this problem ?
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10:02<thcnbl>C4709, look her. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad ( is this enabled ? : Option "TapButton1" "1"
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10:03<bropane>updated version of my procedure http://paste.debian.net/11318/
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10:04<Samkov>any chromium users in the house?
10:04<blast007>Samkov: do you have a question about chromium?
10:05<babilen>Samkov: Yes -- Glad that we could help you! Have a nice day :)
10:05<Samkov>never ask to ask :) umm yeah I was just hoping for a few personal oppinions concerning ram useage, rendering, privacy
10:06<Samkov>ive been a die hard firefox/iceweasel user for forever, and ive been doing my reading on chromium. Basically what I've gathered is that its completly seperate from Google Chrome right?
10:06<babilen>Well, I use it ... draw whatever conclusions you want to draw from that :)
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10:40<Dark_light>Is there some kind of fix or something for the frequent freezes in gnome shell ?
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10:43<fanto666>hmmm the mentioned bugreport still shows nothing be solver freezes?
10:43<fanto666>ops ops
10:43<fanto666>freezes?
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10:44<Dark_light>I randomly experience them on where gnome freezes I'm able to move the mouse and switch to tty if I restart gdm it works fine but it starts in tty8 leaving tty7 blank with a blinking cursor
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10:44<Dark_light>there are no errors in the xorg logs or dmesg
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10:45<Dark_light>I do not experience them on kde
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10:51<Dark_light>there's an 8 page thread full of people experiencing the issue yet no solutions so far, I find it worrisome sine it is the default DE in a stable release and it's clearly not an isolated issue
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10:53<DragonDon>greetings all
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10:54<DragonDon>It seems that my window manager is acting very funny....I have no way to manipulate any window except for the open chrome browser. is there a simple way to restart just the window manager?
10:54<Dark_light>what window manager is it?
10:55<DragonDon>Gnome
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10:56<Dark_light>does it always happen or randomly? can you do other things like opening a new application? anyway you can restart it with /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart
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10:59<DragonDon>damn.....having a hell of a time even typing in windows....
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10:59<DragonDon>had to 'screw around' with clicking other windows and when I finally clicked on "hide all windows' I am finally able to type here.
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11:05<DragonDon>well that sucked, had to reboot, system froze up. well, at least my window manager is working again :)
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11:07<Dark_light>I bet it froze but you could still move the mouse right ?
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11:08<DragonDon>don't recall, I was able to open another terminal but the problem is that I don't know enough, yet, on what to do there to make things better....sigh
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11:14<haylo>fucking numlock
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11:36<maxxe>on boot, it now starts up tty6 per default. can I change so it starts tty1?
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11:42<ming>Ctr+ALT+F1
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11:43<Brando753>maxxe: I think that may be an issue with runlevels which you may have to change
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11:45<maxxe>it started after installing console-data and console-tools
11:45<maxxe>ming: that doesn't make sense to what I asked for.
11:45<Brando753>maxxe: again, you may have to set your run levels
11:45<toru>are there plans to include an apparmor profile for iceweasel?
11:45<Brando753>I think...
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11:46<edo>hello...
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11:46<Brando753>been a while since I had to do somehting like that
11:46<edo>can anyome open this video? http://lsh.streamhunter.eu/static/popups/15597403853860.html
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11:48<houms>what happened to the torbutton package in wheezy?
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11:49<retrospectacus>edo: no problem
11:49<babilen>houms: It was deemed insecure and not supported by upstream. They recommend to use the tor-browser-bundle
11:49<Brando753>houms: I know tor migrated to the torbrower which you can directly download from their website
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11:51<houms>but that is not packaged in debian proper correct? I mean apt will not then manage that package
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11:51<Brando753>houms: you dont install it
11:51<SynrG>maxxe: by "it", i assume you mean gdm or so? i think you can just put a gap in the ttys allocated in /etc/inittab and X will just start on the first available one
11:51<Brando753>houms: you just run it
11:52<Brando753>I guess you could install it, I never did
11:52<Brando753>just run the executable tor
11:52<SynrG>maxxe: but do pay attention to runlevels. you'll only want to do that in any runlevels in which X actually starts
11:52<houms>so I can remove tor tor-geoipdb and tor-socks as well ?
11:52<Brando753>houms: yup
11:52<SynrG>maxxe: 2 and 3, i guess
11:52<Brando753>houms: tor browser is self contained
11:53<Brando753>houms: it comes with everything needed
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11:53<SynrG>maxxe: something like change "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1" -> "1:45:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1". why would you want to do this, though?
11:54<maxxe>well, i don't understand why it starts tty6 :D
11:54<maxxe>i didn't before
11:54<maxxe>it*
11:54<Brando753>maxxe: because something changed the configuration
11:55<maxxe>what configuration? inittab?
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11:55<SynrG>maxxe: maybe you deleted "6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6
11:55<SynrG>?
11:56<SynrG>as i said, X will just allocate the first available tty, afaik
11:56<kdef>can anyone help me with a grub topic?
11:56<Brando753>kdef: just post the question
11:56<kdef>I want to install another distro on the drive.... in another partition... so, what are my choices?
11:57<Brando753>install it, and then run grub-update
11:57<kdef>current OS's bootloader.... I thought I'd do this... easier? because the new distro... I will experiment on more
11:57<Brando753>it should be able to detect the new install
11:57<maxxe>SynrG: ok thanks. gonna try to install the packages i had before and deinstall the other, make a copy of inittab, and do the same again to see if it did change something
11:57<nevyn>maxxe: runlevels 2-5 are the same.
11:57<kdef>Brando, but, what to do when the grub option step comes up?
11:57<SynrG>kdef: what Brando753 said, but it's called "update-grub"
11:57<kdef>I think I can install to / or /boot or not install grub?
11:57<nevyn>!runlevels
11:57<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>.
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11:58<kdef>yeah, I know 'update-grub'
11:58<Brando753>usually you just say do not install bootloder kdef
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11:58<kdef>Brando, okay
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11:58<kdef>thanks
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12:01<SynrG>nevyn: if you look at /etc/inittab, 2 through 5 are not strictly the same ... 4 and 5 will only allocate one tty
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12:02<nevyn>SynrG: the important bit was there are no grapic/non-graphic runlevels in debian
12:02<SynrG>yup
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12:12<csotelo>hello debian people, I have a question about debian install, I mean I have a intel server with and amd debian installed, how could I do for upgrade it to a standard kernel ( no adm )
12:12<retrospectacus>!amd64
12:12<dpkg>amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
12:12<babilen>csotelo: AMD and Intel processors are supported by the same kernel
12:13<nevyn>csotelo: so it's right as it is.
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12:13<retrospectacus>csotelo: the word "amd" in there is historical, nothing to do with the manufacturer
12:14<retrospectacus>csotelo: just means it's for a 64-bit processor, which is probably what you want
12:14<nevyn>retrospectacus: it is it refers to the architecture amd invented and then intel glomed onto.
12:14<csotelo>sure, then is no problem that my linux image is an amd instead a intel ( i386 ) image?
12:14<retrospectacus>nevyn: right, historical, naming stuck
12:14<babilen>csotelo: i386 runs just fine on AMD processors too
12:15<nevyn>csotelo: amd64 == ia32e
12:15<bernat>csotelo: Intel processors are compatible with AMD ones
12:15<csotelo>ok thanks a lot
12:15<babilen>dpkg: tell csotelo -about why amd64
12:15<csotelo>hmm if would like to change it?
12:15<babilen>csotelo: Change from i386 to amd64 (that is from 32bit to 64bit) ?
12:15<nevyn>csotelo: the architecture (set of cpu instructions) is called amd64 in debian
12:16<nevyn>csotelo: what do you want to achieve?
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12:16<csotelo>the cpu server is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1220 V2 @ 3.10GHz
12:17<csotelo>and it has an amd image kernel installed
12:17<nevyn>no...
12:17<nevyn>it runs amd64 code
12:17<retrospectacus>you already have what you want
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12:18<nevyn>csotelo: the amd in amd64 is like the i in i386 is for intel
12:18<babilen>csotelo: amd64 is perfectly fine for that processor (in case this is still not obvious)
12:18<csotelo>great1 thanks a lot people
12:18<babilen>dpkg: why amd64
12:18<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64
12:19<babilen>csotelo: Our bot sent you ^^^ earlier. You might want to read it again. Please also read the Wikipedia article as it might clarify some points. amd64 is perfectly fine for your processor.
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12:19<haylo>csotelo: what is the processor type , if you pastebin the output of "lspci" ?
12:19<csotelo>babilen, yes I will do, thanks
12:19<nevyn>and better than i386 (particularly if you have 4gig of memory or more which with a xeon is very doable)
12:19<csotelo>and thanks a lot to all of you
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12:20<haylo>ah you did already , sorry
12:20<bernat>csotelo: don't feel bad because your Intel cpu runs an AMD instruction set
12:20*csotelo is an amd fan
12:20<nevyn>bernat: but I like itanium it was better
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12:21<csotelo>just a question cause my customer asking me why it has an amd kenerl and I didnt have the answer
12:21<csotelo>now i have it
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12:23<nevyn>csotelo: it should have an entire amd64 distribution
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13:01<milk_>poor neckbeards
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13:14<milk_>oh was everyone running around conducting a war and the neckbeards were using the opportunity to play with children?
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13:15<Apollo>!ops milk_ is being a nuisance
13:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: apollo complains about: milk_ is being a nuisance
13:15<Maulkin>milk_: Do you have a Debian question?
13:15<Maulkin>Apollo: ack... was just trying to see if there was some context...
13:15<Apollo>standard troll
13:16<Apollo>do not feed, kill
13:16<milk_>im just wondering why within 6 months of install my OS is more trojan than OS
13:16<milk_>?
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13:17<retrospectacus>because you run windows?
13:17<milk_>its ok Im just getting fucked around by neckbeards so Im just cutting their dicks off
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13:18<Maulkin>None of that language in here please.
13:18<Apollo>Maulkin: had enough context I see? :p
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13:18<lOOza>Oo
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13:18<Maulkin>Apollo: I like to give people a chance.
13:19<Apollo>You're too nice ;p
13:19<Apollo>aanyway, thanks for the +q
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14:44<Seth>Hello all
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14:45<retrospectacus>Seth! hello
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14:45<Seth>I have an AVerMedia® M10CS ATSC TV Tuner in aa Sony VAIO VGC-LT25E, is there anything I can do to make it work in debian?
14:46<retrospectacus>Seth: is that a PCI device? What's its line in "lspci -nn" ?
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14:51<jaatrox>what is the best way to learn about debian
14:52<retrospectacus>jaatrox: use it
14:52<retrospectacus>all the time
14:52<mbk>http://debian-handbook.info/
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14:53<jaatrox>okay what is the main difference b.w debian and other distos srry i m new to linux and find debian a good distros
14:53<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell jaatrox about why debian
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14:55<lOOza>jaatrox : debian is fast and STABLE..... thats why i use debian
14:55<lOOza>its sometimes a bit more tricky to use but thats ok for me :)
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14:56<jaatrox>how it is different form red hat in programming aspect
14:56<Seth>brb, I need to get putty started and it seems to be conflicting with cygterm.
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14:57<lOOza>hm no idea about that programming stuff.... im just an regular user
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14:58<jaatrox>dpkg plz answer
14:58<dpkg>jaatrox: i haven't a clue
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14:58<Seth>Back
14:59<melmothX>!why debian
14:59<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
15:00<retrospectacus>jaatrox: this is Debian support. We don't know about redhat
15:00<melmothX>jaatrox: re: programming aspects, the only notable thing that could change is the version of the libraries/tools
15:00<Seth>retrospectacus: No, I don't see it explicitly listed.
15:00<Seth>http://pastebin.com/TY6hVRfD
15:00<ompaul>jaatrox: and dpkg is the channel robot
15:01<mbentley>Seth: it is possibly Philips Semiconductors SAA7130
15:01<retrospectacus>!saa7134
15:01<dpkg>The SAA7134 is a PCI interface chipset from NXP Semiconductors (formerly Philips Semiconductors). SAA7134-based analog and digital TV tuner cards are supported in Linux by the saa7134 driver; <firmware> from userspace may be required for use of a device's DVB-T demodulator. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Philips_SAA7134 . See also <e506r>, <dvb>.
15:02<Seth>LOL...I read right past that one...saw Philips and said Nope.
15:02<jaatrox>i know ompaul but some one is iniating it
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15:02<ompaul>jaatrox: you addressed it for a question it won't have an answer for ...
15:02<retrospectacus>jaatrox: do you have a Debian support question?
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15:20<Seth>So what would I do to get my card working? I'm a linux basic user, not driver compiler...
15:23<Seth>I tried ivtv based on a blog article for a different card, but where his card fails to load, mine just says [ 1622.022683] ivtv: Start initialization, version 1.4.1
15:23<Seth>[ 1622.022723] ivtv: End initialization
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15:24<Seth>Doesn't say it failed nor say it loaded the card..
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15:31<Seth>retrospectacus: ?
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15:44<Seth>mbentley: ?
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15:58<piper>Seth: maybe https://sites.google.com/site/jobinau2/saa7130basedtvtunercardunderlinux and http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Saa713x_devices not sure if it helps
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16:05<Seth>This is very confusing. I need to trial and error to find the proper id of my card?
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16:08<retrospectacus>Seth: it should just work.
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16:09<retrospectacus>Seth: if it isn't, we'll need more details
16:09<Seth>retrospectacus: Thing is, I don't have any. Maybe I'm just clueless, but it doesn't "just work".
16:10<retrospectacus>how can you tell?
16:10<retrospectacus>we need something like "I ran ... version ... and it ... instead of ..."
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16:12<Seth>retrospectacus: Well, from what I have gathered, I should get a new device in /dev. Nothing new. An application called tvtime is said to be very reliable, and it doesn't find anything.
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16:17<neloyo>hello
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16:20<retrospectacus>Seth: can you put your "dmesg" onto paste.debian.net?
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16:22<retrospectacus>Seth: other than that I don't know much about it; just keep reading up on tvtime, v4l2, saa7134
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16:22<Seth>retrospectacus: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1d1bc15a/
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16:24<retrospectacus>Seth: looks good except you still have squeeze... you should upgrade
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16:24<retrospectacus>Seth: says it created device video0
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16:29<Seth>retrospectacus: Perhaps then the video capture is good but the tuner is...misconfigured?
16:30<retrospectacus>certainly could be
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16:32<Seth>retrospectacus: What could I do about that?
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16:35<Dark_light>anyone using a 3.9 kernel on wheezy?
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16:40<retrospectacus>Seth: don't know. Poke around, read more about those things I mentioned, try other tuner programs, read the tvtime website, ...
16:40<retrospectacus>Seth: and upgrade to wheezy. squeeze is oldstable now
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16:42<Seth>retrospectacus: I fear upgrading...this computer is a bitch to work with, took me 2 weeks on the webcam alone.
16:44<kingsley>Do you use an open source flash player? If so, which one?
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16:45<Seth>retrospectacus: I am very frustrated with this now. You say it works on video0, it is pitch black, tvtime can't channel scan, http://paste.debian.net/11411/, XawTV is "changing channels", all of which are black, VLC, is also black. Though the running time matches system uptime...
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16:47<retrospectacus>Seth: I said it created device video0
16:48<retrospectacus>Seth: don't run user-oriented programs as root
16:48<retrospectacus>Seth: did you check out /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml?
16:48<Seth>XawTV is looking through NTSC/europe-west though, I hope that still works for america.
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17:00<Seth>retrospectacus: New news, I think it has no idea how to use the card. Just knows it's there. http://paste.debian.net/11419/
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17:02<retrospectacus>Seth: looks great, just needs configuration.
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17:05<Seth>retrospectacus: Question is, what needs configuration?
17:05<Seth>retrospectacus: running modprobe with every possible number untill one works?
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17:07<retrospectacus>modprobe?? no, the configuration files it mentioned
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17:08<Seth>retrospectacus: Those files don't let me specify what the card is?
17:09<Seth>retrospectacus: And stationlist is what it is trying to generate.
17:09<retrospectacus>It looks like you need to specify "card=42 tuner=43" or something http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-927234.html
17:11<Seth>And I have no idea what numbers to specify. And with both of them needed...that is a LOT of trial and error.
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17:14<Seth>retrospectacus: LOL, with all this trouble I may as well try to install windoze in a second drive for when I want TV...too bad it would have to be Vista since the drivers for this machine do not work on any other version...
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17:15<Seth>retrospectacus: Which on second thought, I could be having all this trouble for the same reason I used to have such a nightmare in windows. Just no support for what they did/used.
17:16<retrospectacus>yeah not sure what that tuner number is supposed to be
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17:56<mi7>bella
17:57<retrospectacus>!it
17:57<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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18:46<keep>what is it?
18:46<frankenstein>what?
18:46<keep>i dunno, i bought a new computer and i entered here in thi page but i dont know what is it...
18:46<keep>this*
18:46<frankenstein>a chat programm
18:47<stderr>!debian
18:47<dpkg>methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
18:47<keep>chat program? Everybody who has Linux debian has this chat program?
18:47<frankenstein>no sorry
18:47<frankenstein>I thougt you mean IRC
18:47<frankenstein>sorry
18:48<keep>what is IRC?
18:48<frankenstein>debian is an operation system
18:48<retrospectacus>keep: only if they installed it. And we don't know what program you are using
18:48<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell keep about irc
18:48<bernat>IRC is the chat system you're using right now
18:48<keep>Thank you !
18:49<keep>I have never heard about it...
18:49<frankenstein>now you have heard about it
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18:49<bernat>this is a technical support channel for Debian
18:49<keep>hehe thank you
18:49<keep>where are you all from?
18:49<retrospectacus>keep: it is a very old and popular chatting system. You can read about it on wikipedia.
18:49<retrospectacus>keep: earth
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18:50<retrospectacus>keep: this channel is for Debian support
18:50<retrospectacus>!chat
18:50<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
18:50<keep>I know ... i mean countries
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18:50<retrospectacus>keep: type /join #moocows to chat with some cows
18:51<keep>Which country are you all?
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18:51<retrospectacus>keep: again, this is debian support. If you don't have a debian question please be quiet. If you want to chat about countries join the #moocows channel.
18:52<retrospectacus>keep: many of us are there and we will happily tell you what country we're from (maybe)
18:52<frankenstein>type in "/join #moocows"
18:53<keep>Oh im sorry, where do i type it?
18:53<keep>Im just lost here
18:53<frankenstein>in the chat thing
18:53<frankenstein>I know ;-)
18:53<retrospectacus>right here.
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18:56<keep>Ok guys ! Im leaving here and thank you *-*
18:56<retrospectacus>have a good one
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19:07<bernat>a good alternative to avidemux in Debian? mainly a muxer/demuxer?
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19:12<papamoose>Anyone know how to get d-i to install a kernel from another repo? So far ive tried using the following options in the preseed file:
19:12<papamoose>d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string http://download.proxmox.com/debian wheezy pve
19:12<papamoose>d-i apt-setup/local0/key string http://download.proxmox.com/debian/key.asc
19:12<papamoose>d-i base-installer/kernel/image string none
19:12<papamoose>d-i pkgsel/include string pve-kernel-2.6.32-20-pve
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19:15<papamoose>Anyone know how to get d-i to install a kernel from another repo? So far ive tried using the following options in the preseed file: d-i apt-setup/local0/repository string http://download.proxmox.com/debian wheezy pve; d-i apt-setup/local0/key string http://download.proxmox.com/debian/key.asc; d-i base-installer/kernel/image string none; d-i pkgsel/include string pve-kernel-2.6.32-20-pve; # this installed the kernel but didnt set it as the defau
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19:16<bernat>papamoose, I can't help you, but why do you need that?
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19:18<papamoose>I need the proxmox pve kernel to be the default kernel when the system first boots so puppet can install the rest of the pve packages.
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19:34<dayane>hello guys
19:34<winsen>Hi all
19:34<dayane>hi winsen
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19:34<dayane>i'm brasilian and you
19:35<winsen>can you please tell me what is the relyable sources for sysadmin? thanks
19:35<retrospectacus>!chat
19:35<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
19:35<winsen>what are ...
19:35<dayane>no i'm newbee in debian
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20:13<chomwitt>my dist-upgrade (squeze->wheezy) fails with : 1http://tinyurl.com/ks2bafa
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20:15<bernat>chomwitt, don't cross-post please
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20:16<chomwitt>bernat: ok. sorry. i'm just stuck
20:16<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell chomwitt about bat
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20:36<houms>I am running deb testing w/kde and kopete seems to hang on start up for a bit, before the application actually responds, but also OTR plugin is missing. I assume the first is because i am not running akonadi, but not sure why the plugin is missing
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20:39<themill>houms: otr is no longer
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20:50<Antony_>hey there
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20:52<houms>themill, thanks.... seriously?
20:52<houms>what happened?
20:53<houms>is that upstream or debian
20:53<themill>kopete is dead anyway; see kde-user mailing list
20:54<themill>err... debian-kde; http://lists.debian.org/<CAKmZw+YR1c46mKxypwDD3ymW4rYmxFhscLMVt37_0SY8jEEYJQ@mail.gmail.com>
20:55<houms>why is kopete dead? is the alternative supposed to be telepathy?
20:55<themill>yep
20:55<houms>I just tried it and the only thing I dont like is the limited functionality, like no otr
20:56<houms>i tried to get an idea how long before that is supported but could not find anything definitive
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20:58<houms>this seems to confirm what you were saying. http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/tyler-b/the-apps-of-kde-4-10-part-v-kopete/
20:59<houms>anyone tried 4.10 from experimental? i see in that screenshot the plugins tab
20:59<houms>which is not in the current version
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21:07<houms>is there a way to get audio/video in telepathy with a gtalk account?
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21:07<houms>the options seem to be greyed out
21:07<houms>nvrmind
21:07<themill>does google still support that/
21:07<themill>?
21:08<houms>well the options are there, I may just have to try it out
21:08<houms>what do you mean google support
21:08<houms>you mean in general
21:08<houms>or with 3rd pty clients?
21:09<themill>just in general. Google was wanting to push everyone off into their own little walled garden of g+hangouts
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21:11<houms>i just tested and when i log in to gmail account i get the chat list in the left pane and have the options to aud/video chat
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21:11<houms>so i assume they still support it
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21:23<SparkTheCat>hi everyone, i got a small problem , i know i am using an old ubuntu distro and no one wants to help, so here is the problem when i log on my touchpad and mouse works fine , if i go in my user account now thing get mess up, i can't interact with any window unless i press alt , normaly alt would grab the window but it is not the case ... if i do not press it just grab the window how can i fix that ? it was working fine this morning
21:26<themill>SparkTheCat: #debian isn't here for people that #ubuntu doesn't want to help.... it's here for debian users.
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21:27<SparkTheCat>but was not ubuntu based on debian ?
21:28<lostatwork>!ubuntu
21:28<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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21:28<SparkTheCat>ok thank's anyway
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21:46<qaz>Hi
21:46<dvs>Oi!
21:46<qaz>I'm try to install kde-l10n-{language}
21:47<qaz>in kde, but on systemsetting > language and control > kanguage there is nothing
21:47<qaz>even the english language
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21:49<qaz>(available language ) and (preferred language ) are both empties
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21:50<hagom>have anyone been able to configure a printer on debian wheezy?
21:51<qaz>hagom: yes install cups and open in your browser localhost:631
21:51<hagom>I tried that
21:51<qaz>what model is your printer?
21:52<hagom>when I configure the printer everything seems to be ok but when I try to print a .odt document or a PDF nothing happens
21:52<qaz>other files are ok?
21:53<hagom>nop
21:53<qaz>like txt or ps
21:53<hagom>my printer model is a HP deskjet D4360
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21:53<hagom>I can't print anything
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21:54<qaz>try this link http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting
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21:55<qaz>... Setup the printer by running hp-setup....
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21:55<hagom>let me post here the error
21:55<qaz>not here
21:55<qaz>use http://paste.debian.net/
21:57<dvs>qaz: I don't have any kde-l10n-* installed and I still have english in my list.
21:57<qaz>mmhhh
21:57<qaz>I'll try to create a test user
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22:00<hagom>http://paste.debian.net/11459
22:00<qaz>nope..still the same issue
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22:01<qaz>hagom: try to use hp-setup
22:01<qaz>lets' see to recreate locales
22:01<qaz>maybe the gen is corrupted
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22:04<hagom>didn't work
22:04<hagom>aparently it's not only on debian
22:05<hagom>qaz: your printer works fine?
22:05<qaz>sorry I don't have an hp anymore
22:06<qaz>my other one ,a samsung, working withouth issue with cups + splix
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22:07<qaz>try this site http://hplipopensource.com/
22:08<hagom>another bug when I enter to properties http://paste.debian.net/11461/
22:09<qaz>http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/deskjet/deskjet_d4300_series.html
22:10<qaz>try this page
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22:31<Manny>Not trying to open a can of worms or anything but, would setup running Debian "Stable" be better then my new Kubuntu 13.04? Just curious.
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22:42<luc>anyone has good material debian wheezy pdf?
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22:48<wwu>luc, what do you mean ?
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22:55<luc>wwu, about a manual reference
22:56<luc>for in example, in slackware dvd has a pdf book
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22:57<luc>i am searching for a pdf book
22:57<luc>for reading
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23:07<SamB>a pdf about what exactly
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23:07<luc>debian administration
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23:08<SamB>well, *I* don't know of any single manual intended to cover everything
23:09<luc>do u know any manual?
23:09<luc>good material of course
23:11<SamB>well, usually I use the manuals of individual packages
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23:13<blast007>luc: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals
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23:16<luc>wow, that's good
23:16<luc>thanks a lot blast007
23:17<luc>thanks too samb
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23:21<themill>dpkg: tell luc about debian-handbook
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23:54<kdef>if I install 2 distros, but I want the first one installed to use the grub bootloader, how do I?
23:54<kdef>by not installing grub when installing the 2nd OS? right? I then update-grub after?
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