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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-06-21

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00:51<AlazaR>hi all. Anyone here able to help a newb with a Dovecot issue?
00:52<backbox>hrry
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00:53<Infiltrator>!tell AlazaR -about ask
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00:55<haylo>again i fail to see the point in telling people how to ask questions. as they are about to ask, as their second statement anyway
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00:57<SamB>haylo: well, so they don't wait forever for someone to say "yes I can help you your as-yet-undescribed dovecot issue"
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01:02<CyberN37>Hi
01:02<haylo>yeah i guess its better than "just ask the *&T*@#% question !! :)"
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01:05<haylo>but not really. actually its about as impolite as one can possibly formulate
01:06<haylo>to awnser the door with literature on how to speak correctly
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01:31<Callicles>anyone else having trouble with iceweasel being slow to load pages (like 10 seconds)? I tried chromium and it does not have the same lag
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01:52<themill>haylo: we actually find that lots of people *won't* ask their question until someone actually chimes in and says "yes, I'm an expert in dovecot". Given that 90% of the time you don't actually need to be an expert in $program to answer the questions and helpers don't want to be in a position where they have to answer the question because they've now said "yes, here I am", it's usually better that people just ask their questions of the channel.
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02:02<thegeek>hi
02:02<thegeek>all
02:02<thegeek>:D
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02:04<thegeek>anyone using kali linux?
02:05<alexandr>привет всем
02:06<thegeek>alexander, you speak english?
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02:47<farid>hi
02:47<just_playin>hey
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03:19<Ignis>Hi
03:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 567] by debhelper
03:20<Ignis>After I did apt-get upgrade in my terminal
03:20<Ignis>When I boot up I can't see the Gnome bar
03:20<Ignis>And my terminal is black, no options to type in any commands
03:20<Ignis>Any idea what the problem might be?
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03:21<Infiltrator>Ignis: So do you have a login prompt?
03:21<Ignis>Yes I do
03:21<Ignis>I reboot then I logged in with the e17 interface
03:22<Ignis>Even in this interface I don't have a way to type in commands into the terminal
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03:22<Ignis>Also, when I reboot I saw some errors
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03:22<Infiltrator>Ignis: Ctrl+Alt+F1?
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03:22<Ignis>Alsa errors and something else
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03:23<Ignis>That's how I reboot
03:23<Infiltrator>Ignis: As in that sequence triggers a reboot?
03:23<Ignis>No
03:24<Ignis>I did Ctrl+Alt+F1 to enter into the terminal to reboot because the Gnome interface seems to have something wrong
03:24<Ignis>No Gnome bar
03:24<Ignis>Also with e17 the terminal is not working
03:24<Infiltrator>Ignis: Right, well, log into that console and stay there so that we can troubleshoot.
03:24<Ignis>Ok
03:24<Infiltrator>Ignis: What do you mean by 'Gnome bar' and 'e17' and 'terminal'?
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03:25<Ignis>e17 = Enlightenment Grafical interface
03:25<Infiltrator>It seems to me that you have a working (virtial) terminal at Ctrl+Alt+F1.
03:25<Infiltrator>s/tial/tual/
03:25<Infiltrator>So do you use GNOME or enlightenment?
03:26<Ignis>The Gnome bar is the bar on the top where I usually have the icons such as sound, network manager, batery status etc
03:26<Ignis>I have both Infiltrator
03:26<Ignis>Gnome and enlightenment
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03:26<Ignis>Gnome comes by default with Debian
03:27<Ignis>I installed e17 later
03:27<Infiltrator>Ignis: Do you use gdm? If so, does that login screen look and work fine?
03:27<Ignis>Yes, it looks and works as usual
03:27<Infiltrator>In the sessions list, can you select 'gnome classic'?
03:28<Ignis>Yes I can
03:28<Infiltrator>And when you log into that, what do you get?
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03:28<Ignis>I haven't try that option
03:28<babilen>Infiltrator: Which version of Debian are you tracking?
03:28<Ignis>Just Default theme
03:28<Ignis>Let me reboot and try the classic option
03:29<Infiltrator>babilen: I can't remember when/where it was renamed to classic from fallback.
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03:29<babilen>Infiltrator: hehe, don't ask me :)
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03:30<babilen>Ignis: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and your ~/.xsession-errors file please?
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03:30<babilen>dpkg: tell Ignis -about nopaste
03:30<Ignis>ok
03:30<babilen>bbl
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03:32<Ignis>"apt-cache" command not found
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03:34<babilen>Ignis: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? Could you paste /etc/apt/sources.list too?
03:35<Ignis>I can't because my i have to switch with ctrl+alt+Fx
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03:35<Ignis>Let me try the nopaste
03:36<Ignis>Jessie/sid
03:36<Ignis>Is the debian version
03:36<Ignis>I am sure
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03:37<babilen>Okay .. you typically want #debian-next in that case. As you are running a development release of Debian bugs are to be expected, but you should still be able to troubleshoot them. Which packages were upgraded during the last upgrade run before you encountered the error and from which version to which?
03:37<Ignis>I found a way to do that
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03:38<Ignis>I will copy the output and send the info into a new txt file to the desktop
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03:38<Ignis>I will show you the sources.list
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03:38<Ignis>Gimme a sec
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03:38<kelkoobenoitr>hello, in squeeze, where do we change the timeout for ypbind ?
03:39<babilen>Paste /var/log/dpkg.log too -- but we really should take this to #debian-next as these kind of problems aren't really normal on the stable release.
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03:39<Ignis>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ef5c280e/
03:39<kelkoobenoitr>adding YPBIND_MAXWAIT in /etc/environment does not seem to do anything
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03:40<kelkoobenoitr>do i need to restart the machine to have /etc/environment taken into account ?
03:40<Ignis>babilen, the stable release is not Jessie/sid?
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03:42<babilen>Ignis: No, it looks as if you added unstable to your sources.list (in order to install e17?) which is a development release of Debian. You seem to have (partially?) upgraded to unstable now. The stable release is called "wheezy" -- Did you want to run the stable release and install the newest version of e17?
03:42<Ignis>No
03:42<babilen>I also would strongly recommend to not use debian multimedia btw, but that is most likely unrelated to your current problem.
03:42<Ignis>I used the repos for the e17
03:42<babilen>Ignis: No?
03:43<Ignis>Ok, I will delete the multimedia repositories
03:43<babilen>Ignis: Well, you have "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" in your sources.list which means that your system will install *all* packages from unstable by default.
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03:43<Ignis>Is there a way to go back to wheezy?
03:43<babilen>no
03:43<Ignis>omg
03:43<babilen>Well, sure .. a reinstall will sort you out.
03:43<Ignis>Ok
03:43<Ignis>Yeah I was thinking about that
03:43<Ignis>I think I will need to do that
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03:43<Ignis>I will back up everything
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03:44<Ignis>thank you very much babilen
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03:44<babilen>You really shouldn't mix stable with either testing or unstable. And if you don't pin (/msg dpkg pinning) or set the default release (/msg dpkg default release) you will upgrade to testing/unstable *completely* as soon as you add testing or unstable deb lines to your sources.list and run "apt-get upgrade" "apt-get dist-upgrade"
03:45<Ignis>Ok, got it
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03:45<Ignis>I will not make the same mistake again
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03:46<babilen>Ignis: If you want newer software on stable you can use backports or create backports yourself.
03:46<babilen>dpkg: tell Ignis -about backports
03:46<babilen>dpkg: tell Ignis -about ssb
03:46<babilen>Ignis: The second factoid explains how to backport a package yourself, this might or might not be easy/viable for e17, but lets check.
03:46<babilen>judd: checkbackport e17
03:46<judd>Backporting package e17 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libeet-dev (>= 1.7.4), libeio-dev (>= 1.7.4), libedje-dev (>= 1.7.4), libefreet-dev (>= 1.7.4), libecore-dev (>= 1.7.4), libedbus-dev (>= 1.7.4), libevas-dev (>= 1.7.4), libedje-bin (>= 1.7.4).
03:47<babilen>No, you can forget e17 on stable more or less. (I mean you can backports all those ^^^ libraries and install them before backporting e17 but that will be quite a hassle)
03:47<Ignis>Great
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03:47<Ignis>I will install e16 instead
03:47<Ignis>Which is the stable version
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03:48<Ignis>Just to get your opinion. Is this a good web to get the debian repositories?
03:48<Ignis>http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
03:48<babilen>Ignis: You have a couple of options now: 1. Run unstable and accept that you will have problems every now and then (read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable) 2. Downgrade to testing by pinning testing to a priority >= 1001 and running apt-get dist-upgrade 3. Try a downgrade to wheezy by pinning that to a priority >= 1001 and running apt-get dist-upgrade 4. Reinstall wheezy and never mix it with anything but backports
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03:49<babilen>Ignis: No, that website is horrible as it generates wrong entries and generally encourages users to include totally unsupported third-party repositories in their sources.list
03:49<Ignis>Ok I will do the dist-upgrade to see how it works
03:49<Ignis>Oh boy, good to know that then
03:50<babilen>Ignis: Running "apt-get dist-upgrade" will complete upgrade you to unstable.
03:50<Ignis>Thank you
03:50<Ignis>I will run it right away
03:50<babilen>Is that what you want?
03:50<Ignis>For now
03:50<Ignis>To see how it works
03:51<Ignis>If seems to be good I'll leave it like that
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03:51<babilen>okay, you might want to consider testing or a testing/unstable mix rather than full-blown unstable, but suit yourself. Just remember to never mix stable with anything but backports.
03:51<Ignis>If not I will install wheezy and never ever ever mix it with anything but only backports
03:52<Ignis>Yes. I will certainly remember that
03:52<babilen>that's the spirit -- I'd recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable to learn a bit about what it means to run unstable
03:52<Ignis>Any place where I can get the repositories?
03:52<babilen>For unstable?
03:52<Ignis>Yes
03:52<Ignis>Well, both
03:52<Ignis>In case that I need to re install it again
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03:53<babilen>Ignis: You have them already -- Just delete everything but line 23 and 24 in your sources.list -- You might want to include sources for testing as well. A suitable sources.list would look like http://paste.debian.net/11725/
03:54<babilen>Ignis: A good sources.list for wheezy would be http://paste.debian.net/11726/
03:54<Ignis>Great, perfect
03:54<Ignis>Next time I wanna do something I am not sure about
03:54<Ignis>I will come here instead
03:55<babilen>Good idea! :)
03:55<Ignis>^
03:55<Ignis>You were just great
03:55<Ignis>Thank you for your help
03:56<babilen>Ignis: I mean running unstable *is* an option but it is not as failsafe and easy as running stable. You might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/packaging-system.html (and the rest of the handbook)
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03:57<Ignis>Ok, I'll check it out
03:57<Ignis><3
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03:58<babilen>that's the spirit :)
03:58<Ignis>:)
04:00<babilen>Ignis: Come and join us in #debian-next after you upgraded and don't forget to remove obsolete packages by running "aptitude purge ~o" after the dist-upgrade
04:01<Ignis>Alright
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04:29<wZ>Hi. Is there someone awake maintaining more then 500 debian boxes ?
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04:31<babilen>498 ... so close :(
04:31<babilen>wZ: What question would you ask this hypothetical person?
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04:53<stomanata>Hi, can somebody help me with extundelete?
04:54<stomanata>i try sudo extundelete --restore-files /media/7CD0-8B52/stomanata/ --output-dir /home/stomanata/Desktop/recover/ but it return Error parsing command-line options.
04:57<babilen>stomanata: Try inserting a "=" between options
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04:57<babilen>Or just leave, that will probably solve your issue too :-(
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05:07<stomanata>re
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05:07<stomanata>does anybody type something?
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05:07<stdhell>No!
05:09<stomanata>thanks :)
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05:18<babilen>stdhell: Well, I did ...
05:18<babilen>(and now it is too late, again)
05:19<babilen>No idea why you thought it is a good idea to answer "No!" to that question even though you were idling in this channel when I answered.
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05:55<drali_>Hi, I know there is a command in bash that displays several information including the CPU temperature, but I forgot it. What is the command or how can I find out the temperature?
05:57<mgv>drali_: acpi -t ?
05:57<Stummi>or sensors
05:57<Stummi>however, thats not a "bash command" ;)
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05:58<drali_>Ok, I'll try, thanks :)
05:59<stdhell>cat /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM\:00/LNXSYBUS\:00/PNP0A08\:00/device\:08/ATK0110\:00/hwmon/hwmon0/temp1_input or something like that...
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06:02<drali_>stdhell: I think I will just use the previous two, but thanks :)
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06:15<wheeler>hi everybody!
06:15<wheeler>I've got a trouble with sound in my Debian 7.1
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06:22<SynrG>wheeler: well, that's too bad. are you keeping the details a secret from us for a reason? :)
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06:22<lord_rob>of course
06:22<lord_rob>he has no sound
06:22<ectospasm>there's usually only one cause of that, right?
06:23<wheeler>So, I cannot listen to music using Rhythmbox, Spotify
06:23<ectospasm>mixer levels, speaker levels, and... OH! sound server not functioning right.
06:23<wheeler>I also cannot hear sound of movies played in Totem, VLC, Dragon player
06:24<ectospasm>wheeler: can you hear sound using aplay <some .wav file>?
06:24<wheeler>I've checked levels in mixers and if they aren't muted
06:24<SynrG>!alsa-checklist
06:24<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
06:24<wheeler>I can hear music using aplay, mplayer
06:25<wheeler>speaker-test command also provide me sound
06:25<wheeler>Some applications (eg. Skype) can play notifications sounds and I hear them
06:25<ectospasm>The apps that don't work are probably using the wrong output device.
06:26<wheeler>But there is one strange thing
06:26<wheeler>I have been listening to music when I tried to volume it down using special button on my keboard
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06:26<SynrG>'pactl list' may give you clues
06:27<wheeler>and I think that I pressed something by mistake
06:27<wheeler>then it stopped playing
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06:28<wheeler>SynrG: what !alsa-checklist means
06:28<wheeler>?
06:29<tgs3>!alsa-checklist
06:29<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
06:30<tgs3>wheeler: do the things on this list
06:31<wheeler>ok
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06:32<SynrG>wheeler: but given that you have sound in some applications, many of those things are not needed
06:33<SynrG>wheeler: that's mostly focused on solving 'i have no sound at all', which you cleared up after i triggered that factoid.
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06:36<wheeler>so i've done all points from your lisrt
06:36<wheeler>i've add me to audio group
06:36<wheeler>unmute and raise all channels
06:37<SynrG>as i said, those things are focused on "no sound at all" which is not your problem ...
06:37<wheeler>i typed pulseaudio in console and i received Daemon already running
06:37<wheeler>I know what you mean
06:38<wheeler>my first description of problem wasn't precise enough
06:38<SynrG>as stated earlier, probably the applications have wrong output device selected
06:39<wheeler>I forgot..
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06:39<wheeler>when I run Rhythmbox from console, I receive:
06:39<wheeler>(rhythmbox:8420): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files
06:40<wheeler>and where can I change output device for each application?
06:40<SynrG>you could install and start pavucontrol and see if some applications are listed there
06:41<SynrG>as each application starts playing sound, your "Playback" panel should contain a connection for that application
06:41<SynrG>each application will have its own way to assign an output channel ... read the doc for your applications.
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06:42<SynrG>as for the rhythmbox error, that appears to relate to shortcut keys, and is not relevant to this problem
06:43<wheeler>ok, i've installed and run pavucontrol
06:43<wheeler>and I received this notification:
06:43<wheeler>Fatal Error: Unable to connect to PulseAudio: OK
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06:44<SynrG>that, coupled with your SettingsDaemon error actually make me think you don't have your session set up properly
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06:45<SynrG>how do you login to your desktop session?
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06:47<wheeler>i've got a logon screen default installed by Debian and I use MATE environment and sometimes Gnome Shell
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06:53<SynrG>!why not mate
06:53<dpkg>Unfortunately, MATE is neither in Debian, nor likely to be, based on technical objections and lack of anyone doing the work. Therefore, you can't get support for it here. Use one of the other desktop environments: <gnome>, <kde>, <xfce> or <lxde>. Alternatively, for <jessie> there will be <cinnamon>. See also <mate>.
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06:53<SynrG>i'm a little annoyed now you weren't forthcoming with that information, as MATE is not supported here.
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06:54<wheeler>sorry, i didn't know
06:54<wheeler>i have to relogin using gnome shell . i'll be back in a minute
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06:58<wheeler>i'm back, SynrG, that was probably the mate problem
06:59<SynrG>so, don't use MATE. not if you like having support.
06:59<wheeler>i have re-login to Gnome and checked sound settings
06:59<SynrG>there are perfectly good, supported alternatives in debian.
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07:00<wheeler>there was bad output set but MATE sound control panel displayed that it was my sound card
07:00<wheeler>thank you very much for your advice
07:00<wheeler>:)
07:02<wheeler>so when the opportunity occurs, I want to ask you which grap. environment would you choose? KDE or one XFCE or lXDE?
07:02<SynrG>i would use gnome3 and tweak it to suit my needs.
07:02<wheeler>I have kde installed, but i don't use it because applications looks strange
07:02<SynrG>i'm quite happy with "evil status icon forever" extension and misc other tweaks.
07:03<apm1>i prefer XFCE
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07:03<SynrG>makes it look and feel just the way i like it
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07:03<ectospasm>I use XFCE with XMonad, but that's not for the faint of heart.
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07:03<wheeler>probably i didn't installed some kde package which graphics
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07:03<SynrG>*any* desktop environment has its tradeoffs. if you don't like how it looks "out of the box" (KDE included) ... most of them allow you a great deal of flexibility to configure them ...
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07:04<wheeler>i started using mate because I had some problems with Gnome shell.
07:04<SynrG>before or after wheezy released?
07:04<apm1>mate is not even useable on mint
07:04<SynrG>MATE is just a horribly flawed concept
07:04<SynrG>it is doomed to fail
07:04<wheeler>after wheezy was released
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07:05<wheeler>it sometimes stopped reacting for mouse clicks
07:05<SynrG>with or without third-party extensions?
07:05<wheeler>without
07:05<SynrG>ok. (not all extensions are stable, so the first thing when debugging such problems is to disable them and see if it helps)
07:06<wheeler>then i tried to go to console using ctrl + alt + one of function keys (F1-F6) but i alse received
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07:06<wheeler>system startup messages
07:06<wheeler>i mean: 'i always received startup messages'
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07:06<wheeler>instead of login possibility
07:06<wheeler>i've put them here:
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07:07<wheeler>http://pastebin.com/Nt5kz5Wf
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07:10<SynrG>wheeler: what kernel do you have?
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07:11<wheeler>SynrG: i've got 3.2.0-4-amd64
07:11<SynrG>i'm not sure how that's a gnome-shell issue ...
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07:13<wheeler>you didn't understand me
07:13<wheeler>i don't think that it's gnome shell issue
07:13<wheeler>when shell breaks i wanted to go to console using ctrl alt f1, f2 ... to restart gdm3
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07:13<wheeler>but it shows what i send
07:14<SynrG>i see. well, that one could be https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35103 but that was closed some time back ...
07:14<wheeler>so i decided to use other environment
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07:14<ixi>SynrG whats so bad about MATE ?
07:15*ixi never used it but would like to know
07:15<apm1>he can't switch to ttys when GDM crashes
07:15<SynrG>!why not mate
07:15<dpkg>Unfortunately, MATE is neither in Debian, nor likely to be, based on technical objections and lack of anyone doing the work. Therefore, you can't get support for it here. Use one of the other desktop environments: <gnome>, <kde>, <xfce> or <lxde>. Alternatively, for <jessie> there will be <cinnamon>. See also <mate>.
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07:15<wheeler>SynrG: do you think that i should report this bug to debian?
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07:16<apm1>you can but nobody will probably give a damn abt resolving the issue
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07:16<apm1>its just not relevant to most people
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07:16<SynrG>wheeler: which specific bug?
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07:17<SynrG>wheeler: also, is this a laptop? do you suspend/resume?
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07:20<SynrG>apm1: depends on which issue. if it's mate-related, then i agree. but the gnome-shell and kernel issues are something else.
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07:21<apm1>true but its probably mate related
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07:21<SynrG>apm1: he said he switched to MATE *because* he had this issue
07:21<SynrG>so, no.
07:21<apm1>oh i missed that
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07:31<wheeler>no, it's not a laptop, i don't suspend system resume
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07:32<wheeler>i mean that bug with displaying startup messages when i'm switching to console with ctrl alt f
07:32<prem_>i have installed gnome-screensaver-flags in debian wheezy., but it is not getting activated
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07:32<prem_>how can i activate the gnome-screensaver which displays flags in debian
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07:33<wheeler>anyway, i thank you SynrG for help, bye!
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07:34<SynrG>prem_: gnome does not support screensavers
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07:35<prem_>SynrG, then what is the use of gnoem-screensaver-flags package
07:36<SynrG>none at all
07:36<SynrG>feel free to file a bug
07:38<TobiX>SynrG: Seriously?
07:38<TobiX>Oh. "In GNOME 3, gnome-screensaver has been drastically simplified, supporting only screen blanking and no graphical screen savers."
07:38<SynrG>exactly
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07:40<peter1138>At least I don't have to spend an hour choosing a nice screensaver...
07:40<prem_>SynrG, TobiX is there a way to activate it
07:40<SynrG>no.
07:40<prem_>through xscreensaver or somethign else
07:40<TobiX>,v gnome-screensaver-flags
07:40<judd>Package: gnome-screensaver-flags on i386 -- jessie: 0.1-1; sid: 0.1-1; squeeze: 0.1-1; wheezy: 0.1-1
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07:40<stdhell>Some would say screen blanking is a nice screensaver.
07:40<TobiX>How did that end up in stable then?
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07:41<SynrG>TobiX: by nobody noticing
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07:41<peter1138>Yeah, since DPMS it's all been a bit pointless.
07:41<TobiX>Maybe it does work with xscreensaver, if it's just a "hack"
07:42<peter1138>... although I notice that older LCD screens do take a while for the backlight to get to full brightness.
07:42<TobiX>peter1138: I love the bsod screen saver - Don't need no stinking powersaving on my desktop ;)
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07:43<SynrG>prem_: re xscreensaver, maybe. but i doubt if there is any gnome integration with that, so you would be entirely on your own to set it up, and don't expect "Lock Screen" from the gnome menu to do anything useful without some hackery involved.
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07:49<SynrG>prem_: i have not reviewed this article and therefore cannot support anything in it, but this may have a solution for you ...
07:49<SynrG>http://schultkl.blogspot.ca/2013/06/configuring-debian-gnulinux-7-wheezy.html
07:49<SynrG>search it for "gnome-screensaver"
07:50<SynrG>he also links to http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=89706 and says his instructions are based on that.
07:50<peter1138>The joys of "making things simple" :)
07:50<SynrG>but in that article, this step is questionable:
07:50<SynrG> sudo ln -fs /usr/bin/xscreensaver-command /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-command
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07:51<prem_>SynrG, let me check
07:52<SynrG>because you're replacing something in /usr/bin with your own custom stuff, this is a little bit naughty
07:52<SynrG>and will straight away break if you ever (accidentally) reinstall gnome-screensaver.
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07:53<SynrG>oh, hah:
07:53<SynrG>Given gnome-core depends on gnome-screensaver, how is that inconsistency fixed?
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07:53<SynrG>^^ yeah, that comment is highly relevant.
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07:54<SynrG>prem_: so these instructions will not work. they'll fail at the very first step "sudo apt-get remove --purge gnome-screensaver"
07:55<SynrG>prem_: removal of gnome-screensaver would cause the removal of gnome-core itself.
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07:55<prem_>well but gnome-core is only a meta package na
07:55<prem_>so i guess for testing i can go ahead
07:56<SynrG>"only" a metapackage, sure, but you would have to mark noauto every single dependency ...
07:56<SynrG>and then if-and-when gnome changes the metapackages, you don't get their improvements.
07:56<SynrG>one day, on some future upgrade, that will bite you in the ass, hard.
07:56<SynrG>hardly worth it, methinks.
07:57<bernat>why remove gnome-screensaver?
07:57<SynrG>grafting in xscreensaver as per those instructions requires it
07:58<SynrG>now, you could locally divert gnome-screensaver-command ...
07:58<ectospasm>GNOME3 got rid of gnome-screensaver, I thought...
07:58<SynrG>but such a modified gnome-screensaver package is then clearly not supported by debian ... if you experience problems with it, don't whine to us :)
07:58<SynrG>ectospasm: no, they didn't. they "simplified" it. see above.
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07:59<bernat>isn't gnome-screensaver used for the lock screen?
07:59<SynrG>yes.
08:01<SynrG>it's likely not to just break your screensaver to muck with this, but other functionality, like "switch user" when your screen is locked, etc.
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08:02<SynrG>so my advice: leave well enough alone. screensavers are gone in GNOME. deal with it
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08:05<peter1138>It's not like theere's anything else left either ;)
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08:10<abrotman>what?
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08:18<casanova>ola
08:18-!-jose [~jl@49.Red-80-32-66.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
08:18<jose>9ol
08:18<jose>a
08:18<jose>lol
08:18<casanova>ola
08:18<jose>lol
08:18<jose>jajajaja
08:18<casanova>xd
08:18<jose>sopregonao
08:18<jose>bigotezorra
08:18<casanova>ojo spo
08:18<jose>trepa farola
08:19<casanova>baila feria
08:19<jose>roillacabra
08:19<casanova>hocico polo
08:19<jose>so lihenhiao
08:20<jose>cazanoba cazanoba
08:20<casanova>nalgas tunas pecho tordo tripardules
08:20<jose>bocet
08:20<jose>BOCETO
08:20<jose>EL BOCETA TIENE CARA DE POLLO
08:20<jose>JAJAJA NO DE POLLA
08:21<tgs3>the spains are coming.
08:21<jose>CAZANOBA mira haca
08:22<casanova>Piojoso, Mugroso,Chotacabras,Cierrabares, Auté a la ****/Veste a la **** Golfo! Despacico conmigo Cabeza cono, cabeza buque, Pregonao, Harto Sopas! Zumayo!,Ansia Rot, A ver si viá tener que calentarte el hocico un poco,Como vaya con la de esquilar los borricos, esa barbeja que tienes te la viá a repilar bien repilá, Violón, Casca,Que tiro de cheira p'arriba y te echo las tripas en un canasto!Sarnoso, vaya un zumarro,nalgas Tuna
08:22<jose>yea baba
08:22<casanova>s,Cabeza alberca!
08:22<jose>you are stupid
08:22<casanova>fuck you men
08:22<jose>fuck you
08:22<tgs3>#sex ?
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08:23<casanova>noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
08:23<jose>porn yea
08:23<jose>ok
08:23<casanova>ooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooo
08:23<jose>jajajajaja
08:23<jose>harobed
08:23<jose>negraa
08:23<jose>niga niga
08:23<jose>yea
08:24<casanova>you are silly
08:24<jose>cazanoba tonoto
08:24<jose>cazanoba mira al manu
08:24<jose>sopregonao
08:24<casanova>englist
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08:27<babilen>tgs3: Please just call ops the next time around - You can do that by invoking "dpkg: ops $REASON" which will highlight all operators in #debian. Thank you.
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09:37<jewels>hi there. I'm trying to run a java applet that I've written in chromium. But I'm not able to see anything. there is a grey panel only( the applet works correctly with the appletviewer)
09:37<jewels>I have icedweb
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09:53<mikis>http://photo4everyone.blogspot.com/
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10:31<bullgard4>'~$ apt-cache show gnats-user; Description-en: problem report management system - client tools; GNATS is a bug-tracking tool designed for use at a central "Support Site". Users who experience problems use electronic mail to communicate these problems to "maintainers" at that Support Site. <-- Is there a relationship of this package with the Debian Bug Tracking System?
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10:32<babilen>bullgard4: Why do you think there is?
10:32<babilen>(and no)
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11:16<jpk>hiç
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11:48<infrid>hi
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11:49<retrospectacus>infrid: hello
11:50<lOOza>hi :)
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12:04<MTecknology>Statement: I apparently installed Debian 8 on a bunch of production servers. Question: Why the frick did I do that?
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12:07<MTecknology>I lied. I did install Debian 7 on the boxes, but apparently base-files from unstable got installed. That makes much more sense. Is there any easy way to see what I have installed from unstable?
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12:08<weasel>!which repo
12:08<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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12:18<MTecknology>weasel: thanks
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12:22<overo>I have 201 MP3 files I need to string together into one. They are also a little long (~5 seconds) so I need to clip them (to 1.5 minutes each). Can anyone recommend a software to do this?
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12:31<donfede>hello all - i'm struggling with a wheezy upgrade, and trying to remount my older loop-aes drive data
12:32<donfede>i see aespipe package - but that's a one time un-encrypt utility...
12:32<donfede>i'm seeking the modified losetup utility from loop-aes-utils
12:32<donfede>(and corresponding kernel module; but i'm not at that step yet ... it may already be in there)
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12:34<gsimmons>overo: Try sox with the suggested libsox-fmt-all package. It can be used to trim input files and concatenate.
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12:35<overo>sweet thanks gsimmons I will check it out
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12:39<amar>IDENTIFY
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12:45<Xerzaza>I'm trying to compile VBA-M (a gameboy emulator), but make fails with "fatal error: gtkmm/gl/init.h: No such file or directory". That file is in the package libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-dev, which is installed. Why?
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12:46<tester>hola
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13:09<shentino>How do I change which tty X starts on?
13:09<shentino>I want to move it from tty7 to tty12
13:11<cruxeternus>I'm not sure, but you might try adding more terminals to your inittab.. up to 11.
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13:11<cruxeternus>So X would claim 12?
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13:24<blami>shentino: afaik there is -vt switch which tells X where to run.
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13:37<donfede>shentino: looking at my recent wheezy box (mostly default install) -- looks like : /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf
13:37<donfede>shentino: in the daemon section there is an option --
13:37<donfede># Reserving more VTs for test consoles (default is 7)
13:37<donfede># FirstVT = 9
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13:39<donfede>NOM NOM NOM
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13:55<zini>hey, I can't get Emerald to compile with Debian 7.1
13:55<zini>last err is "/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line"
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13:58<zini>here's the log http://pastebin.com/YJ8keURk
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13:59<ekiwok>I have this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622839 problem with newest netinstall (Wheezy / Jessie)
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14:01<ekiwok>anyone can help?
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14:01<retrospectacus>ekiwok: did you try the workaround?
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14:02<ekiwok>retrospectacus, what do you mean?
14:03<retrospectacus>the bug report you linked has a workaround in the first post
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14:04<ekiwok>retrospectacus, I have no idea how I missed that part
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14:07<zini>oh, nevermind my problem, solved it
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14:10<ekiwok>retrospectacus, ok, I dont have apt-get here :( but I hope fixing sources.list (since I know where they're) should help
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14:11<retrospectacus>ekiwok: what installer ISO is that?
14:11<xwix>salut
14:11<retrospectacus>"Wheezy / Jessie" is not a real thing
14:12<retrospectacus>!fr
14:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
14:12<xwix>je suis français
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14:13<xwix>salut
14:13<xwix>faw
14:13<retrospectacus>!fr
14:13<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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14:19<ekiwok>retrospectacus, debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst and debian-testing-amd64-netinst
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14:22<ekiwok>retrospectacus, now I'm using that one http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/
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14:23<pinzoro>Hola
14:23<ekiwok>during step "install base system" it cleans sources.list that it contains nothing and claims no suitble kernels can be found
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14:25<haylo>ekiwok: get your install images from this page http://www.debian.org/distrib/
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14:26<haylo>google search "getting debian" or "getting some distro" is a pretty good way to search for an install image for most any linux or BSD distribution
14:27<ekiwok>haylo, itd didn't work well for me this time
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14:29<haylo>ekiwok: your iso comes from this page http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/
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14:30<haylo>you want the actual release. "daily builds" of anything seems counter productive
14:30<SamB>it works okay for Crawl
14:32<haylo>i dont mean to say that it does not work. just noticing what i thought looked incorrect for a controlled install
14:32<SamB>(though sometimes we screw something up and have do an extra build lest some players have to wait a whole day before resuming play ...)
14:32<ekiwok>haylo, ratrospectus, iso from debian.org/distrib/ is same .iso that didnt work for me according to md5sum
14:32<haylo>but SamB , is more experienced. there may be some thing here that i am over looking. ir simply dont know
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14:33<SamB>but yeah, daily ISOs for Debian sound quite silly ...
14:34<blast007>ekiwok: did you get through the entire install, including the "Configure the package manager" section after the base system install portion?
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14:34<ekiwok>blast007, yes it's downloading everything in step "install base system" except downloading kernel image
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14:35<blast007>but what about after the install base system part?
14:35<SamB>if you want the latest, that's what apt-get is for ...
14:36<blast007>SamB / haylo: he had the same issue with the 7.1.0 netinst, and then tried the 'testing' netinst.
14:36<SamB>hmm
14:36<ekiwok>I may install even leny and update it to squeeze and wheezy and jessie
14:36<ekiwok>just dont want to download 3 x DVD
14:37<retrospectacus>if there is a testing installer, it's for installer devs testing the installer, not for normal users to install testing
14:37<blast007>ekiwok: still not clear on what issue you're encountering... is the install getting past the 'install base system' part?
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14:37<ekiwok>no, it's exactly what was described here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622839
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14:38<ekiwok>I can finish installation without kernel image but I have no idea how to fix it after installation
14:38<SamB>ekiwok: well, you wouldn't need to download DVDs for the intermediate releases
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14:39<blast007>ekiwok: so you're using LUKS as well?
14:39<SamB>you could just use "apt-get dist-upgrade" for each of those after the initial install
14:39<haylo>ekiwok: you used expert mode like this individual ? to be honest its more over complicated than expert
14:39<SamB>ekiwok: so did squeeze also not work?
14:39<ekiwok>SamB, havent tried yet
14:39<ekiwok>haylo, I've tried standard and expert install
14:40<haylo>ok ok . cool
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14:41<haylo>does everything work well when you rin debian-live ? thats all i run, for this reason, my systems always work for my users
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14:41<haylo>at least thats all my end users run. with persistence and changed passwords
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14:42<ekiwok>I;ve tried wheezy liveCD but it wasnt able to install grub or lilo (problem with apt and I'v tried different servers us, germany, etc)
14:43<haylo>you tried installing one. im saying, you can just run it. but thats a matter for #debian-live if you want to go that route
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14:44<ekiwok>I'm trying now with squeeze netinstall
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14:45<haylo>thats too old. dont go that route, even if it works
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14:45<haylo>you will spend tons of time learning crap, that no one uses anymore
14:45<haylo>like aes-encryption and gnome2
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14:47<ekiwok>haylo, so is there an image of sensible size or way to compile straight from sources but with good guidebook (like Gentoo FE)
14:47<haylo>gentoo is really just a tarball that you unpack into a filesystem
14:48<haylo>just like debian base install. you can add on binaries, to wither base system however you want
14:48<haylo>either *
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14:49<haylo>if you run debootstrap, it will unpack the base system. and you can direct it into a tarball to use later
14:49<haylo>thats what i do, and a fresh debian install only takes abotu 2 minutes form the tar file
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14:51<ekiwok>haylo, it sounds nice, I'll try it if liveCD fails
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14:52<haylo>look up using persistence for the liveCD. its rather rewarding. somethign the gentoo people work on, but not to the extent that it is developed in debian
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15:05<Tiff><haylo> if you run debootstrap, it will unpack the base system. and you can direct it into a tarball to use later
15:05<Tiff>neat idea
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15:10<ekiwok>maybe my pendrive has NSA backdoor and now I can only install windows?
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15:12<blast007>ekiwok: were you doing a LUKS install?
15:12<musca>!timtowtdi
15:13<dpkg>timtowtdi is probably There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl.
15:13<ekiwok>nope
15:13<ekiwok>:D
15:14<blast007>ekiwok: manual paritioning?
15:14<ekiwok>yes
15:15<blast007>how big did you make the partitions?
15:15<ekiwok>130 GB
15:16<ekiwok>+ rest swap
15:16<ekiwok>160 GB hdd
15:16<blast007>and you're sure you didn't make it 130MB? ;)
15:16<ekiwok>YES
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15:17<blast007>ok, cuz I've seen people do that before. :)
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15:20<ekiwok>now installation from liveCD stuck at "searching mirror server"
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15:21<haylo>drop into a shell, and see if you have conectivity
15:21<ekiwok>*scanning
15:21<ekiwok>ping works well
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15:21<haylo>ping www.google.com
15:22<haylo>nice
15:22<haylo>so in this bug report you linked. the guys set his own repo mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list
15:23<ekiwok>I've tried it but I cannot use apt-get to download kernel and during installation of basic system installer clears sources.list :(
15:23<haylo>if the installer is actually failing though. and its not just user error, you could /join #debian-boot the guys there are brilliant, they maintain the debian installer
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15:24<haylo>they will know exactly what to do. if as you say, it is truly failing. i say this because "it just works" in so many of the cases
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15:24<SynrG>sounds like a failure to configure apt. which mirror did you choose?
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15:25<SynrG>maybe you're stuck behind a proxy and need to enter proxy info?
15:25<ekiwok>I've choosed a lot of mirrors
15:25<ekiwok>I'm pretty sure no proxy
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15:25<ekiwok>and it's actually downloading everything except kernel image
15:26<SynrG>downloading? or just unpacking base from the installer image?
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15:27<SynrG>anyway, ctrl-alt-f3 or so has a log. can you see error messages there?
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15:27<ekiwok>damn, I rebooted
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15:28<SynrG>you might have logs saved in /target/var/log/installer/
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15:28<SynrG>(assuming you get back to remounting your target but *not* repartitioning it
15:29<SynrG>)
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15:51<P4C0>Hello, I have a system with debian 4, do you think it should be possible to upgrade it to debian 5 and then debian 6???
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15:54<ekiwok>ok, now I fixed sources.list but installer still cannot install grub
15:54<ekiwok>or lilo
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15:55<ekiwok>In sources.list I have smth like that:
15:56<ekiwok>#Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
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15:56<ekiwok>#deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
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16:00<SynrG>P4C0: theoretically that works, but of course you would need to use the archive. standard mirrors don't carry 5
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16:00<P4C0>SynrG: yes, what's code name for 5?
16:00<SynrG>lenny
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16:00<P4C0>SynrG: thanks
16:01<SynrG>P4C0: make sure to read the installation guide per release you're upgrading through ...
16:01<P4C0>SynrG: so just upgrade apt repositories and dist-upgrade?
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16:01<SynrG>there may be special considerations per upgrade that most of us here have long ago forgotten
16:01<P4C0>SynrG: where can I found them? archieve?
16:01<cpbills>P4C0: google around for a guide from lenny to squeeze... there are some things you need to do
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16:01<P4C0>cpbills: thanks, same for etch to lenny right?
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16:02<SynrG>P4C0: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual
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16:03<P4C0>Thanks SynrG
16:03<SynrG>P4C0: and you know the archived releases are at archive.debian.org right?
16:03<P4C0>SynrG: yes yes
16:03<SynrG>this should be fun. keep us posted on progress :)
16:03<SynrG>you've got good backups? :)
16:04<P4C0>SynrG: will not do it now, but probably next week, let's see how it goes :p
16:04*SynrG nods
16:04<SynrG>P4C0: and of course, likewise, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual and http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual (aka /stable/installmanual)
16:05<P4C0>SynrG: thanks, noted
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16:18<crane>hi, i just installed debian in my virtualbox (last stable version) but i cant get my gnome-shell to work
16:18<crane>i installed successfully the guest addons from virtualbox
16:18<crane>am i missing something?
16:18<ekiwok>@crane you need 3d accelearation, have you turned it on ?
16:18<towo`>what does glxinfo | grep -i render in your vbox say?
16:19<crane>ekiwok, where can i find it?
16:19<ekiwok>crane, VM settings
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16:19<ekiwok>system -> acceleration
16:19<towo`>and btw, the 3d support for guests is not the best
16:19<ekiwok>gnome3 requires 3d acceleration
16:20<crane>ekiwok, damn... forgotten to turn it in in vm settings... *blushing*
16:20<ekiwok>crane, hope it will help
16:20<crane>we'll see give me a minute for rebooting
16:20<crane>got another question so brb ;)
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16:24<crane>ekiwok, works :)
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16:24<ekiwok>:)
16:24<crane>towo`, thx also! :)
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16:27<babilen>.oO( what was crane's other question )
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16:28<crane>babilen, did not ask yet, wait a moment
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16:59<Guest723>buona sera a tutti
16:59<babilen>*drumroll*
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17:01<babilen>dpkg: it
17:01<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:01<babilen>brendon: What can we do for you? (if you rather speak English in here than ask in #debian-it)
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17:01<brendon>room itialan who is
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17:02<babilen>brendon: /join #debian-it
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17:03<shentino>Thanks
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17:04<shentino>question two: how do I customize the kernel's command line during booting? I would like to add the "vga=640x400@120" option
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17:06<retrospectacus>press E on the grub option, iirc
17:06<shentino>yes, but I would also like to configure it to do this automaticlaly on boot...and I don't know how to fiddle with grub2
17:07<retrospectacus> edit /etc/default/grub and run "update-grub"
17:07<shentino>thanks
17:07<babilen>shentino: That's not the right way to do it these days. Please read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" about GRUB_GFXMODE and edit /etc/default/grub accordingly. Don't forget to run "update-grub2" after you made your changes. You can, naturally, also add things to the kernel boot options in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
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17:08<babilen>(I am referring to the vga= -- it's not wrong, but GRUB_GFXMODE is the actual option in /etc/default/grub)
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17:23<shentino>babilen: What I'm after is having my vt's come up in 80x25 mode, using 8x16 character cells, which comes out to 640x400 pixels
17:23<shentino>I was able to do it fine in gentoo
17:24<shentino>but I don't know how to do it in debian
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17:25<shentino>Also, I hate gfxgrub, and told grub to use console :)
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17:40<shentino>Quick question: How do I get rid of pulseaudio and just have my desktop use plain alsa?
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17:42<SamB>shentino: I think it involves some kind of jihad
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17:42<SamB>though I didn't really get the impression that anyone around here actually *likes* pulseaudio
17:43<ompaul>drat
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17:44<ompaul>in the dark debian soviet you don't get rid of pulse audio, pulse audio hands your data over to PRISM and GCHQ the modern GRU and others :0)
17:45*ompaul looks at SamB and wonders if that explanation fits?
17:46<retrospectacus>PA is not well liked but you won't be very happy without it
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17:46<ompaul>retrospectacus: you speak the truth
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17:47<ompaul>but the idea of removing it involving a jihad got me thinking :)
17:47*ompaul advises people not to get me thinking - I'm offtopic enough without that
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17:47<Apollo>its more like an inoperable braintumor
17:47<Apollo>nobody likes braintumors
17:47<ompaul>in your ear
17:47<ompaul>take it out and you won't hear very well
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17:48<Apollo>but you're not going to have a good time when they try to take it out
17:48<ompaul>we should really put that in paste.debian and give shentino the link
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17:49*ompaul waits a while before procrastinating
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17:49<ompaul>shentino: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/31782396/
17:50<Apollo>ompaul: or make it a dpkg thingy
17:50<shentino>jihad eh?
17:50<ompaul>shentino: it gets a lot worse
17:50<shentino>I hate pulse audio
17:50<mdxzero>does it good
17:50<shentino>with a passion
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17:50*ompaul hands mdxzero a ,
17:51<retrospectacus>shentino: feel free to try removing it, it's your system
17:51<cpbills>shentino: pulseaudio hates you, too. and ... all of us.
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17:51<shentino>How do I remove pulseaudio without nuking my desktop's dependencies?
17:51<ompaul>audio under linux is a dark evil art - and there is no point in starting a new project to fix it, fix the existing ones
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17:52<shentino>ompaul: My system worked fine without it. I just used bare alsa
17:52<cpbills>i never had that many problems with straight-up alsa...
17:52<shentino>indeed
17:52<Apollo>there's a great presentation floating around about the convoluted mess that is the audio and video part of linux
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17:52*funkyHat likes pulseaudio
17:52<ompaul>shentino: apt-get remove --purge after that it is your problem - it may rip half your system away because of dubious packaging requirements
17:52<Apollo>BURN THE HERETIC
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17:53<ompaul>shentino: I'm not going to even try that
17:53*funkyHat self-immolates
17:53<ompaul>funkyHat: not a protest
17:53<shentino>well I guess if it's hard coded I'll leave it alone
17:53<cpbills>The following packages will be REMOVED: pulseaudio* pulseaudio-esound-compat* pulseaudio-module-x11*
17:53<Apollo>he spontaniously combusted out of shame
17:53<cpbills>less deps than i figured
17:53<shentino>but now I remember why I moved to gentoo in the first place though...
17:53<Apollo>looks reasonable
17:54<shentino>cpbills: how the heck did you manage that?
17:54<cpbills>shentino: i don't use gnome or kde.
17:54*ompaul won't even think of it - the way the rest of the stuff works ...
17:54<shentino>cheater
17:54*cpbills snickers
17:54<ompaul>now can we leave this alone and think of real things
17:54<shentino>it's real to me because I use debian right now
17:55<funkyHat>But seriously I actually liked it back when it was still called 'polypaudio'. Does that make me a bad person?
17:55<cpbills>funkyHat: everything makes you a bad person.
17:55<funkyHat>hehe
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17:56<ompaul>funkyHat: the song bad to the bone isn't bad enough for you :)
17:56*ompaul hides in front of funkyHat
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18:05<shentino>ok
18:05<shentino>I surrender. Pulseaudio stays
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18:06<shentino>if my dependency web will throw a tantrum when I remove it I'll just leave it alone.
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18:14<sney>I have an old toshiba laptop with a geforce4 go of some sort running wheezy with nouveau and I'm trying to get it to drive an external monitor.
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18:15<sney>When I connect the external monitor via a vga cable, it's detected and shows in both xfce's display settings widget and xrandr. however, nothing appears on the monitor, it only says "no signal"
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18:15<sney>The external monitor is known good and was tested with a different computer only minutes before.
18:16<sney>not sure what to look at next.
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18:27<ompaul>sney: you know the keyboard settings to push video out it?
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18:28<ompaul>blue and F7 iirc
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18:28<ompaul>I had an old tosh for a few years
18:29<ompaul>sney: I'd try to get it to go to a console on the monitor - you stand a chance of seeing a reaction
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18:30<sney>hmm, I'll try the acpi key, yeah. I didn't think I'd need it after hitting the xfce 'use this display' button
18:30<sney>and by go to a console, you mean use it sans X, right?
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18:30<ompaul>ctrl alt f3 will do
18:30<ompaul>and yes
18:30<ompaul>sney: just to prove output nothing more
18:30<sney>I will return with result.
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18:36<sney>ompaul: all of these things gave me new results on the laptop end but the same pile o'nothing on the external. I'm beginning to think the external display may be too much for this old clunker
18:37<ompaul>sney: what is it the extl?
18:37<sney>it's a hdtv, 1360x768 or something close to that
18:37<sney>I think I'll give the nvidia-legacy proprietary a shot. why not?
18:38<ompaul>sney: check your ability to drive it at 1024 or lower on the other box - and check the hardware spec for max output from the vga
18:38<sney>ok
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18:39<ompaul>sney: wrt to the proprietary make sure you can get an exact match :) nothing as frustrating as being wrong with that stuff
18:39<sney>exact match on what? which nvidia blob?
18:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 587] by debhelper
18:40<ompaul>sney: aye
18:40<sney>,pciid 10de:0175
18:40<ompaul>sney: blob and hardware
18:40<judd>[10de:0175] is 'NV17M [GeForce4 420 Go]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0175 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
18:40<sney>I seem to have the requisite information. I think it's the older -legacy.
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19:10<ldnunes>hey guys, I'm having some trouble regarding pulseaudio in Jessie on my laptop, no sound at all is being played. Can anyone point me to a howto for Debian?
19:11<ompaul>ldnunes: start a terminal type alsamixer and and turn up pluseaudio
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19:12<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell ldnunes about pulse
19:12<retrospectacus>ldnunes: the robot sent you a couple links
19:14<ldnunes>retrospectacus, great! Thanks a lot. I'll try the info.
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19:47<Moz>Hi !
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19:47<retrospectacus>hi Moz
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19:47<Moz>I really reallyreally need help please
19:48<retrospectacus>!ask
19:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:49<Moz>I was adding a new IP..i touched /etc/network/interfaces
19:49<Moz>I rebooted
19:50<Moz>And...BOOM
19:50<Moz>Th server (SSH) is down
19:50<Moz>but for real
19:50<retrospectacus>please don't press enter until you're finished
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19:50<retrospectacus>what's your question?
19:51<dondelelcaro>Moz: use your out-of-band management (serial console, etc.) to see what is wrong with the server, and fix it.
19:51<Moz>How can i resolve this problem ? i can connect via ssh (port 22: Network is unreachable)
19:52<dondelelcaro>Moz: or alternatively, if you can log into the server, then let us know what the contents of /etc/network/interfaces are, and what the output of ip addr; is.
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19:52<dondelelcaro>Moz: coupled with ip route; too.
19:52<retrospectacus>Moz: yes you have to go there, phone someone who is there, or use a KVM/IPMI or so
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19:52<Moz>I booted on the Rescure mod, but SSH stil not working
19:53<Moz>I can maybe use KVM, but i haven't try this stuff, how can i use it ? (i am under osx)
19:53<Moz>but the server is under Debian 6
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19:53<retrospectacus>how did you "booted on the Rescure mod"
19:54<retrospectacus>btw what is your native language
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19:54<Moz>French
19:55<Moz>I started the rescue mod via the control panel of my host provider
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19:56<retrospectacus>well, you need to get in and fix it. Not sure how we can help
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19:56<Moz>YEAH ! thank you ! it's work !
19:57<retrospectacus>oh... yep we rock
19:57<Moz>It was just a down from the provider side
19:57<Moz>This is my first time here, but i will come every day now
19:57<Moz>you are so awesome =D
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19:58<retrospectacus>well, have fun. I'm off for the weekend.
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19:59<Moz>retrospectacus, is it so "dangerous" to use RAID 0 ? (2x1To)
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20:01<musca>Moz: raid0 is striping, gives more performance, and probability of failure is doubled
20:01<Moz>Yeah i see
20:01<musca>is not redundant at all
20:02<Moz>Do you think that a RAID 5 is a good choise ?
20:02<Moz>choice
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20:03<musca>well, it depends ... raid5 gives much capacity, is redundant, raid 5 is really slow at writing
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20:09<Moz>back
20:09<Moz>sorry
20:10<cpbills>you should be.
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20:13<Moz>?
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20:14<cpbills>you know what you did.
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20:19<Moz>What are you speaking about ?
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20:44<Moz>Yo
20:44<Supaplex>Mama so fat
20:44<Moz>I am adding a new IP to my server
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20:45<Alkazar>hi all
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20:46<Moz>But when i restar i have this error : /var/lib/vz/template/cache# /etc/init.d/networking restart Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). Reconfiguring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:21: duplicate option ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" /etc/network/interfaces:21: duplicate option ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces
20:46<Alkazar>anyone here know much about email servers with Postfix/DoveCot/MySQL?
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20:46<Alkazar>have setup my first email server and can access with mail clients outside my network, but not from client within my network :/
20:48<Moz>Alkazar you have to change the port maybe, it's blocked by default by internet providers (spam)
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20:50<devil>Moz: it is not an error, it is a warning
20:51<devil>Moz: and you seem to have duplicate networking files
20:51<Alkazar>Moz: even if I try to use internal IP of the mail server in the email client, it still won't connect - but the ports must be open because I can send/recieve fine using external mail clients ( iphone on 3G etc )
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20:52<Moz>devil, hum... etc/network/interfaces isn't duplicated
20:53<devil>what about /etc/network/interfaces:21?
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20:53<Moz>Doesn't exsite
20:54<Moz>( i tried to edit it with nano /etc/network/interfaces:21 )
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20:54<devil>well, I need to go, it's late...
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20:55<Moz>bye
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21:15<quentusrex>I seem to have run into a broken package and dpkg --force-all -P doesn't force uninstall it
21:15<quentusrex>any advice?
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21:18<quentusrex>slapd fails to install on i386 due to a requirement on libperl5.10 when libperl5.18 is installed
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22:00<bullgard4>'~$ LANG=C apt-cache show x11-xserver-utils; xrdb, a tool to manage the X server resource database.' Where (in what location) is the »X server resource database« stored?
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23:05<overjoyedpulp>anyone know if the ghostsquad steam package for wheezy is safe/
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