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---Logopened Sun Jun 23 00:00:18 2013
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00:10<serre>Is there an easy way to build 32bit programs on a 64bit jessie install?
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00:21<j4jackj>is it OK to give solutions in search of problems?
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01:16<ronny>anyone aware of a checksuming tool that will do checksums of blocks, and is resuable?
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01:19<j4jackj>no, not really
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01:24<ronny>i want to verify that my 850 gb copy of a partition is the same as the origin data
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01:27<j4jackj>md5 the lot
01:27<j4jackj>works every time - 99.99% jam free
01:27<ronny>j4jackj: how would i do it chunked and resumable?
01:28<j4jackj>I really do not know. I think it is impossible
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01:29<j4jackj>try making a script
01:29<j4jackj>I still do not know.
01:30<SamB>ronny: you could use dd to extract chunks of the data and feed them to md5sum
01:31<j4jackj>true, did not think of that
01:31<ronny>SamB: when i need to handle theresuming on my own, the easiest way is to make some python to seek the resume point and iterate chunks
01:32<SamB>or you could do it in Python yes
01:32<SamB>that *is* probably easier than shell scripting isn't it
01:32<j4jackj>Ya, just don't make it need to be resumable
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01:33<ronny>j4jackj: im dealing with almost a terrabyt here
01:34<j4jackj>i know.
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01:36<j4jackj>but there is no such thing as resumable checksumming. necessity is a mother of invention thô.
01:40<SamB>j4jackj: well, if it's done on chunks it would work
01:41<j4jackj>meh, true
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02:02<gwen>I have contrib added to sources.list but flashplayer-nonfree won't install. Says 'E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate'
02:03<gwen>deb 7
02:04<j4jackj>non-free is needed
02:05<gwen>added that too. lemme check...
02:05<LtL>gwen: remember to apt-get update
02:06<gsimmons>j4jackj: No, it's a package in contrib (despite the name).
02:07<alvarezp>Hi, what's the channel to discuss Sid?
02:08<LtL>alvarezp: #debian-next
02:08<alvarezp>LtL: thanks
02:08<gwen>update! of course. how noobly of me. Been relying on aliases so long i forgot.
02:08<LtL>np alvarezp
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02:21<ronny>SamB j4jackj: i created a quick&dirty script that can do
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02:45<patt> what file do i edit to configure my bootloader by hand??
02:46<patt>will the new kernel automatically boot after upgrading squeeze -> wheezy
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02:50<LtL>patt: No need to cross-post :)
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02:52<patt>LtL: sorry
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02:52<LtL>patt: no problem
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06:31<jerryzhou>are there some fast mirrors
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06:32<abz>it depends on where you are at
06:33<abz>there are fast mirrors but you may not be able to connect to them in a fast way
06:33<abz> try the mirrors located in China
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06:36<adri>Hi guys, I tried to work on Debian 7 has become a real disappointment for me
06:36<adri>I love Debian and sad happening all
06:37<jerryzhou>WHY disappointment
06:38<adri>work with masyl and wine is deadly
06:38<adri>мъсял *
06:38<adri>mysql * sorry
06:38<adri>MySQL is so slow
06:39<adri>InnoSB is a big wrong
06:39<adri>InnoDB *
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06:39<jerryzhou>so what will you use for?
06:39<jerryzhou>linux or unix
06:39<adri>MariaDB maby
06:39<adri>linux offcourse
06:40<adri>but this machine is a little server
06:40<adri>debian 6.0.7 worled perfectly
06:40<adri>but debian 7 is to slow
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06:40<jerryzhou>so still debian
06:41<adri>system load reaches 9.00
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06:42<jerryzhou>so what do you use debian for
06:42<abz>it might be a configuration problem
06:42<jerryzhou>web server or what?
06:42<adri>web server
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06:43<abz>it definitely is not a problem related to debian version
06:43<adri>ok but why debian 6.0.7 work perfectly ?
06:43<jerryzhou>ok had you build a web yourself?
06:44<adri>no, i`m using phpfox
06:44<adri>on debian this site is installed for 49 seconds
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06:44<adri>on debian 7 for 11 minutes
06:44<adri>do you think it does not matter?
06:45<abz>debian 7 may have a different version of a package you are using
06:46<abz>but the problem can be narrowed down, it is not just a version of the distribution
06:46<adri>It is possible kernel 3 be any problems with sata2
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06:46<adri>i`m using wine too
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06:50<adri>when I stop mysql system load is normal
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06:51<devil_>adri: so how could it be debian? that shows it is mysql, probably misconfigured somewhere
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07:18<maison>bonjour a tous
07:18<maison>je suis à la recherche d'une information
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07:18<maison>comment afficher un ecran deporté sous debian ppc ?
07:19<maison>précision : ibook G3 sous wheezy avec Xfce
07:19<maison>je souhaite pouvoir cloner l'écran
07:19<maison>mais pas moyen de trouver l'info
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07:20<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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07:27<maison>ok, i may ask in english then
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07:27<maison>i have to use an external display with an old G3 Ibook
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07:28<maison>with wheezy (xfce desktop)
07:28<apm1>maison, is it a clamshell ?
07:28<maison>nope, an white ibook
07:28<apm1>is it your second machine or your primary one ?
07:28<maison>how can i activate external display ?
07:28<maison>the second
07:29<maison>the first one is currently busy thoug
07:29<apm1>do you also happen to run a blog abt minimalism ?
07:29<devil_>maison: ignore apm1
07:29<maison>i think not
07:29<apm1>nvm i mistook you for someone else
07:29<devil_>maison: have you tried grandr?
07:30<maison>well xrandr --auto respond : xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
07:30<apm1>well the display utility on xfce should do just fine ?
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07:30<apm1>then its a GPU output issue
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07:31<maison>the display utility does not see
07:31<maison>the external display
07:31<maison>is there a way to solve it ?
07:32<devil_>all I know is, it works for me in unstable
07:32<apm1>maison, considering the old ati gpu lacks driver support anyway but "maybe"
07:32<maison>yes i know
07:32<maison>how can i try anyway ?
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07:34<maison>the strange thing is, at startup, the external display works
07:35<apm1>ok then its not the the driver
07:35<maison>i see the loading text
07:35<apm1>maison, can you pastebin your dmesg on ?
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07:36<maison>dmesg ?
07:36<apm1>its a command type it in a terminal
07:36<apm1>and pastebin the output on
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07:39<maison>here it is
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07:42<apm1>maison, i need a minute
07:42<maison>ok thanks
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07:44<apm1>maison, now please patebin the output of "lspci"
07:44<abrotman>lspci -nn is probably better
07:45<apm1>abrotman, did you look at his dmesg ? i don't see the GPU handling screen anywhere
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07:51<abrotman>though, i'm not sure why apm1 wanted the lspci output
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07:52<maison>me neither, i never use those commands
07:52<apm1>they are just listing commands maison
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07:52<maison>i see
07:53<apm1>dmesg shows me what you see on startup
07:53<apm1>and lspci shows me all hardware connected via a pci interface on your laptop
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07:53<maison>ok i see
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07:58<apm1>maison, have you tried closing the lid on the laptop while the external display is connected ?
07:59<apm1>try it now
07:59<maison>it went to sleep
08:00<apm1>well change the clamshell mode from sleep to nothing in the power manager
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08:03<abrotman>maison: when you query xrandr, it says what again ? can you pastebin it?
08:04<maison>Failed to get size of gamma for output default
08:04<maison>just that
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08:04<maison>and, i'm currently looking for energy parameters
08:05<abz>would it be possible to tell xrandr the parameters of the external display, if it can't do it with the specific hardware?
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08:05<maison>we can try it
08:06<apm1>abz, i bet you a buck its not gonna work
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08:07<apm1>still no harm in trying
08:07<maison>but how ?
08:07<apm1>you need a spec card or service manual for the external display
08:07<maison>this my tv set
08:08<apm1>yeah that makes it even easier
08:08<abrotman>maison: fair warning, i've had the same problem, never got it solved
08:08<abrotman>and that's coming from a mac mini
08:08<apm1>abrotman, what year ?
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08:12<apm1>maison, do the speakers on this ibook of your work ?
08:12<apm1>on linux i mean
08:13<apm1>the guy that i mistook you for has the same machine but his speakers don't work
08:14<apm1>however he can use an external display
08:14<apm1>which you can't
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08:18<maison>well, i'm sorry, i'll be afk for some hours
08:18<maison>i stay connected
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08:19<maison>so if you found something just tell
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08:19<maison>thnaks a lot anyway
08:19<apm1>nothing yet sorry :(
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08:20<maison>so, i'll be back at 9 pm
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08:20<maison>thanks again
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08:22<maison>i msut apologize
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08:22<maison>i have no sound !!
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09:24<JiggaNY>i am using red ribbon on my ps3. i installed the adobe flash player but can not get the plugin for iceweasel to work. can anyone help?
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09:26<devil_>red ribbon?
09:27<JiggaNY>its a debian gnu/linux for the playstation 3
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09:31<TobiX>JiggaNY: Flash Player on Playstation Linux? There exists such a thing?
09:32<daemonkeeper>Probably not.
09:33<daemonkeeper>I doubt Adobe ported it to PPC
09:33<JiggaNY>i just installed it yesterday hoping to get the websites like youtube to work
09:33<TobiX>JiggaNY: What is the name of the package you installed?
09:33<abrotman>try gnash or lightspark
09:33<JiggaNY>i used the adobe flash player for debian linux powerpc
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09:35<JiggaNY>i used flash player 11.2 tar.gz
09:35<JiggaNY>maybe that is not the correct package to use
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09:36<TobiX>JiggaNY: There is no Flash 11.2 for PPC AFAIK
09:36<blami>TobiX: it will not work afaik
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09:36<blami>TobiX: ppc flash 11.2 relies on some vector instructions unfortunately not present in Cell CPU
09:36<JiggaNY>i should purge this version ?
09:37<blami>JiggaNY: try luck with one of opensource implementations (gnash?)
09:37<abrotman>it's also not really on topic here
09:38<JiggaNY>thanks for the info
09:38<abrotman>JiggaNY: perhaps you should try ##linux on
09:39<JiggaNY>i will thanks i need to find a red ribbon chat.
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09:39<abrotman>someone there may know it .. their website doesn't list one
09:40<JiggaNY>i will try there as well as ps3 on quakenet
09:40<blami>geez I wonder what causes that in jessie I'm getting /.config/pulse recreated after every reboot. Some app launches pulse daemon as root without HOME=
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09:40<blami>any way to debug this issue?
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10:00<thzith>is there someone here?
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10:06<abrotman>no one at all ..
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10:14<DisonanciaCognitiva>In Debian Squeeze, I am unable to find framebuffer resolution. I have tried different combinations of editing grub config file with gfxpayload and such, but to no avail whatsoever
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10:15<hobbestigrou_>i have a problem when i try install libxcb from the source
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10:15<hobbestigrou_>did you have any idea
10:16<abrotman>why are you compiling instead of using the one in debian already?
10:16<hobbestigrou_>in fact i want use qtile wm
10:17<hobbestigrou_>and is not packaged for debian and i want the last version of qtile
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10:18<hobbestigrou_>and when i install dependancies from apt like python-xpyb and so on
10:18<hobbestigrou_>i have a error
10:18<nana_>this chat is from ?
10:18<hobbestigrou_>when i try launch qtile
10:19<hobbestigrou_>i found this link
10:19<hobbestigrou_>but no soluce
10:20<DisonanciaCognitiva>In Debian Squeeze, I am unable to find framebuffer resolution. I have tried different combinations of editing grub config file with gfxpayload and such, but to no avail whatsoever
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10:20<hobbestigrou_>abrotman, if you have any idea ?
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10:20<hobbestigrou_>and sorry for my very bad english
10:20<nana_>how to get another channel
10:21<nana_> #mainz
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10:23<hobbestigrou_>if you have any idea it's be very cool
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10:27<hobbestigrou_>no idea ?
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10:45<Mark>comeme la polla con pan y cebolla halcon
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10:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:48<abrotman>oh, wasn't a useful person
10:48<txt_file>I have a problem with ALSA on one of my computers. It does not play sounds. Even aplay does not work but prints an error
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10:51<sney>txt_file, does the aplay command work for root?
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10:59<txt_file>nope … same error
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11:02<txt_file>I also want to use the second card instead of the first but I found no information how to do this when both use the same kernel module
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11:10<chrishell>hello, is there a howto for starting awesome wm on lightdm?
11:11<Disonanc1aCognitiva>In Debian Squeeze, I am unable to find framebuffer resolution. I have tried different combinations of editing grub config file with gfxpayload and such, but to no avail whatsoever, what can I do?
11:12<mtn>chrishell: google this and find lots of info: howto for starting awesome wm on lightdm
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11:13<mtn>chrishell: the arch wiki can be very useful
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11:21<chrishell> mtn: it suppose to be an menuentry for awesome on lightdm-greeter, but isn't
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11:21<mtn>chrishell: I have no idea, I have never used lightdm
11:22<chrishell>inside /usr/share/xsessions a have 3 files: awesome.desktop lightdm-xsession.desktop xfce.desktop
11:22<chrishell>but only xfce is offered
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11:23<ixi>chrishell last time I installed awesome + lightdm things just worked out of the box
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11:24<ixi>what versions of lightdm and awesome are you using?
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11:26<chrishell>xix: its from sid -> lightdm 1.6.0-3 && awesome 3.4.15-1
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11:51<txt_file>I have a problem with ALSA on one of my computers. It does not play sounds. Even aplay does not work but prints an error When running aplay as root it shows the same error
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11:52<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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11:53<SynrG>txt_file: so you're fairly through that checklist
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11:55<SynrG>txt_file: maybe you have some process that has exclusive access to the device?
11:55<SynrG>web browser or ...
11:55<SynrG>txt_file: what if you logout your desktop session, switch to a console for a text login and try the same command?
11:55<txt_file>SynrG: 1. I am in the audio group 2. this does not appld to my problem 3. pa is not installed 4. yes 5. no
11:56<txt_file>i am running this from command line
11:56<SynrG>that still does not preclude some daemon having the device open for exclusive access (maybe mpd or so?)
11:56<SynrG>by "from command line" do you mean "not in an X session"?
11:58<txt_file>SynrG: i mean that i am using a tty … X is not even running
11:59<txt_file>and "lsof |grep /dev/snd/" prints nothing
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12:00<SynrG>or /dev/dsp ... or /dev/mixer
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12:00<txt_file>also nothing
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12:01<txt_file>"lsof |grep dev"
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12:02<SynrG>txt_file: stock debian kernel or custom compiled?
12:02<txt_file>it is the stock debian kernel from wheezy
12:03<SynrG>txt_file: do you have ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf files?
12:03<SynrG>txt_file: what does aplay -l output?
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12:04<txt_file>I do not know if alsa has a problem it two cards with the same kernel module are availible
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12:05<SynrG>i don't think it does, no
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12:06<SynrG>is the system relatively new?
12:06<txt_file>or better: define relatively new
12:06<SynrG>about how many years old?
12:07<SynrG>new enough for alsa not to support it well yet
12:07<SynrG>deliberately fuzzy on the definition. they may support some new chipsets faster than others.
12:08<Jb_boin>you can try with the wheezy-backports kernel
12:09<SynrG>grep Codec /proc/asound/card*/codec#0
12:09<Jb_boin>but generic hd audio chipsets should work on the wheezy kernel
12:09<txt_file>SynrG: I think it is from 2011
12:10<SynrG>i'm curious as to what the Generic entry is in there for ...
12:10<SynrG>(referring to your original paste)
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12:14<SynrG>txt_file: how about aplay -L
12:14<txt_file>I am searching and installing backports … maybe it helps
12:14<SynrG>txt_file: how about aplay -Dname for each name on the list (e.g. aplay -Dsysdefault, etc.)
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12:16<txt_file>Jb_boin: I think there no backports-kernel available
12:16<txt_file>SynrG: where do I get the name from?
12:16<SynrG>txt_file: aplay -L
12:17<SynrG>txt_file: it seems if the part before the colon (if there is a colon) is unique, you just specify that
12:17<SynrG>txt_file: it seems to also accept the whole thing
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12:17<SynrG>e.g. in that list, i have:
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12:17<SynrG>aplay -Dsysdefault works as does aplay -Dsysdefault:CARD=Intel
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12:21<txt_file>"aplay -Dsysdefault:CARD=SB /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" works and gives me sound
12:22<piper>txt_file: what about option 6 purging oss-compat it gave some users in sid some problems this week
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12:23<txt_file>piper: no package installed which containes oss in its name
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12:25<SynrG>txt_file: interesting. so ...
12:25<SynrG>looks like "Generic" is selected as default by mistake
12:25<SynrG>i wonder if you could blacklist it
12:26<txt_file>maybe alsa only uses sysdefault and not the complete string
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12:28<SynrG>txt_file: or if not blacklist, then follow the debian alsa wiki page to make your second card your default
12:28<txt_file>I think that the Generic is the hdmi/spdif output … I do not need this but i can not disable it in the bios and module blacklisting is also no option because the SB uses the same kernel module
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12:28<txt_file>SynrG: how? IMHO both cards use the same kernel module
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12:30<SynrG>txt_file: the second method at i.e.
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12:31<SynrG>txt_file: do they always both get loaded in the same order and therefore have the same index?
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12:32<txt_file>the last 3 times they have been in this order
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12:32<SynrG>with luck they always come up that way, then. try the ~/.asoundrc method first. is the system multiuser?
12:33<txt_file>nope … but I prefer using /etc/ in this case even if it is singleuser
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12:34<SynrG>txt_file: what's the Generic for? is that a USB camera or something?
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12:34<SynrG>unplugging it at boot, if it's a USB device, will influence order
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12:35<SynrG>if it is USB (and the main sound device isn't) then that's a bug, imho
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12:36<SynrG>ah, never mind. it would be snd-usb-audio in that case, i think
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12:37<txt_file>SynrG: I think that the Generic is the hdmi/spdif output … I do not need this but i can not disable it in the bios and module blacklisting is also no option because the SB uses the same kernel module
12:37*SynrG nods
12:38<SynrG>i wonder if it can be addressed in options to change the index
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12:39<txt_file>I wonder that too
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12:40<SynrG>maybe some googling ...
12:41<txt_file>I did not found the model-option for one of them
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12:41<SynrG>well, the kernel doc may have something
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12:42<txt_file>I searched the source code and found nothing helpfull … so either I am blind or there is no information which helps me
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12:44<SynrG>txt_file: see /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-3.2/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz
12:44<SynrG>there's stuff in there about slots and index that i'm unclear on
12:44<txt_file>I created the /etc/asound.conf but this does not really solve the problem
12:45<SynrG>hmm ...
12:45<SynrG> id - card ID (identifier or name)
12:45<SynrG> - This ID can be used instead of the index number in
12:45<SynrG> identifying the card
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12:45<SynrG>this looks promising
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12:45<sbrittain>anyone having problem with ubuntu 12.04 LTC on lenovo T430s?
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12:46<txt_file>sbrittain: this is a debian and not an ubuntu support channel
12:46<SynrG>txt_file: or negative index ...
12:47<SynrG>txt_file: it looks like index=-2 can be used to skip the first slot
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12:48<SynrG>txt_file: i don't know what the effect is when there are two devices that use the same driver. it might just renumber them 1 and 2 instead, which is no help :p
12:49<SynrG>txt_file: bingo.
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12:49<SynrG>aw, crap. that's usb ...
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12:50<SynrG>txt_file: read down to the bottom. Udev, maybe?
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12:50<SynrG>txt_file: that looks like fun
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12:51<txt_file>SynrG: thats good stuff
12:51<txt_file>udev sounds painfull
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12:51<SynrG>txt_file: i've done it. it's ... well, there's a learning curve, but it's not horrible.
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12:52<SynrG>txt_file: the most painful part was api changes, so that old examples i found had to be modified for newer implementations.
12:52<SynrG>but i mostly was able to figure that out by looking at other rules already on the system
12:53<SynrG>the device i did it for is a usb-attached pedometer
12:53<txt_file>I try the options index stuff first
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13:00<SynrG>txt_file: well, gotta go out for errands. good luck
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13:00<txt_file>SynrG: kk … thanks you very much
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13:19<mj>hi all
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13:19<mj>i have just installed debian 7 but my sources.list is empty - only CD added )) can someone send me sources.list for deb 7 pls?
13:20<Arrowmaster>dpkg: tell mj about wheezy sources
13:20<Arrowmaster>dpkg: tell mj about wheezy sources.list
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13:23<ronny>anyone aware of a way to mangle glibc versioned symbols in programs - i need to execute a binatry compiled on ubuntu that has that memmove from recent glibc symbol
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13:23<ronny>(and im certain that the application does not require the new code version)
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13:24<mj>but there is no skype in reps
13:24<mj>and no xfce
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13:25<ronny>mj: one instalation step is mirror selection (which fills in that one)
13:26<mj>ronny, yes but i was offline
13:26<ronny>mj: note that skype is not in the official debian repositories, you need to obtain the .deb file from their repo
13:26<mj>that's why i need source.list
13:26<abz>dpkg: tell abz about wheezy sources.list
13:27<abz>mj: the .deb skype is distributing will add an entry to sources.list.d
13:27<ronny>so anyone got an idea about my question?
13:27<abz>it will update normally
13:27<mgv>dpkg: tell abz about self-tell
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13:27<j4jackj>No, it will break $%&$^&*%*%
13:27<Disonanc1aCognitiva>In Debian Squeeze, I am unable to find framebuffer resolution. I have tried different combinations of editing grub config file with gfxpayload and such, but to no avail whatsoever, what can I do?
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13:30<devil_>Disonanc1aCognitiva: afair ubuntu has good wiki on it
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13:43<mj>hi again
13:44<mj>its fresh install of debian
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13:44<mj>and after reboot i have no sound
13:45<mj>alsamixer shows no mixers no more
13:45<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
13:45<mj>no no no
13:46<mj>i just had sound
13:46<mj>but rebooted the comp and no sound no more
13:46<mj>alsamixer i start as root
13:47<txt_file>mj: what does "cat /proc/asound/cards" say
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13:48<mj>txt_file, 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
13:48<mj> HDA ATI SB at 0xc0000000 irq 16
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13:48<Disonanc1aCognitiva>devil_: I don't use ubuntu ; I use debian
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13:48<devil_>Disonanc1aCognitiva: the wiki works :)
13:48<devil_>best thing about buntu is documentaion
13:48<Disonanc1aCognitiva>devil_: I don't understand you
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13:48<maison>hi again
13:49<devil_>Disonanc1aCognitiva: i write plain english
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13:49<Disonanc1aCognitiva>devil_: what works in ubuntu might not work in debian, the gfxpayload thing is documented in debian as well but, when you try to put it into practice, it just does not work as expected
13:49<mj>txt_file, while booting there were some messages from snd-hda-intel but it was too fast so i couldnt read it
13:49<devil_>Disonanc1aCognitiva: i know, this works.
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13:50<mj>[ 426.919006] hda-intel: spurious response 0x0:0x1, last cmd=0x100f0000
13:50<mj>thats what it was
13:50<devil_>Disonanc1aCognitiva: and either wikis work for me, but I have no time right now to look at my conf
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13:50<xubuntu>hey lupine
13:50<txt_file>mj: you can read them by running "dmesg |grep snd"
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13:51<mj>txt_file, [ 426.919006] hda-intel: spurious response 0x0:0x1, last cmd=0x100f0000
13:51<mj>that's what it was
13:52<txt_file>have you changed the kernel when you restarted?
13:52<mj>txt_file, but what dos it means?
13:52<mj>txt_file, no
13:52<mj>txt_file, my com fals in sleep mode and didnt came back so i restart em
13:52<txt_file>then I have no idea, sorry … someone else any idea?
13:52<mj>thats all
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13:53<Disonanc1aCognitiva>devil_: from your link, it says that their tweak only work for older versions of grub
13:54<mj>will install now xfce and will try to reboot
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14:00<piper>Disonanc1aCognitiva: perhaps give it a try, devil_ runs debian sid which does not have a "older" version of grub. you can always undo what you did
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15:05<txt_file>SynrG: I finally solved my sound problem. I have now a /etc/asound.conf with following entrys
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15:06<SynrG>txt_file: awesome
15:06<SynrG>txt_file: certainly has it all over udev :)
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15:27<scarrz>can somebody tell me how to install different wm themes?
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15:30<barballs>Hi all. I just installed 7.1 on a seperate drive in my system. I have already been running Win 7. Install appears to go fine. but after the restart GRUB does not appear. I got no warnings or errors. I can not seem to find anything online about this. Do any of you fine folk have any ideas?
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15:31<scarrz>boot-repair has helped me with ubuntu in the past... not sure if it's available for debian
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15:31<barballs>is that a windows app scarrz?
15:32<scarrz>no live cd tool you can install for a quick fix
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15:33<barballs>I'll have to get me the live CD then :)
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15:33<barballs>hopefully that will sort things out.
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15:34<scarrz>it's not on the live cd itself... you need to boot it up, and adda repo to /etc/apt/sources.lst and all will be well. nice tool
15:34<scarrz>I'll see if I can find you a link, hold on
15:34<barballs>so I should be able to boot into the install from the liveCD?
15:35<scarrz>you will be able to mount the partitions, but not boot into the install, no. :(
15:35<scarrz>you cann install the boot repair tool
15:35<scarrz>thank Gawd
15:36<scarrz>looking for link, hold pls
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15:38<scarrz>you can get the tarball in places and complie it for debian. dunno if this repo will be compatible
15:39<barballs>thanks! I appreciate it :) Check that out
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15:41<barballs>here's another question, kinda related
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15:41<barballs>my system is 64bit
15:42<barballs>so i chose the amd64
15:42<barballs>was that the correct choice>
15:42<devil_>you could go with i386
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15:42<scarrz>it really doesn't make too much of a difference, you will just be able to run 64 bit code now
15:43<barballs>isn't that limited to amount of ram etc?
15:43<devil_>but I would go for amd64 and run i386 apps with multiarch
15:43<ompaul>barballs: amd64 is fine
15:43<barballs>okies :)
15:43<ompaul>not all i386 is multiarch but the kind of things you want to be generally are ok
15:44<barballs>I guess I am just used to windows. 32 bit couldn't have higher than 4gb ram. that kind of thing
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15:45<scarrz>unless you have a REALLY old computer, I would use amd64
15:45<jumanji>hi there!]
15:46<scarrz>or a VM
15:46<devil_>barballs: same under linux, not OS related
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15:46<jumanji>does anybody know good channel talking about linux?
15:47<devil_>jumanji: #debian-offtopic is ok for that
15:47<jumanji>thanks a lot pal!
15:47<devil_>but there should be more general channels for that also, depending on what you have in mind
15:48<jumanji>....just sharing knoledge abour free os...that all!
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15:49<barballs>heh I am tallin ya this dual boot nonsense is more truble than it's worth :P (more likely I'm an idiot making a silly mistake every time ^^)
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15:50<barfod>can you boot into either of them ?
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15:51<barballs>Yes I can boot into windows just fine
15:51<barballs>it's like grub is not even there
15:52<barballs>I get the black screen with the windows 7 or continue install
15:52*irina salut
15:52<barfod>are installing grub to the MBR when running the installer ?
15:52<barballs>after the install has ran it's course
15:52<barballs>I believe so
15:52<barballs>it autp populates the field. /dev/sdd or something like that
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15:53*barballs is a linux n00b. Knows enough to get into hot water
15:53<irina>hi everyone
15:53<barballs>hey irina :)
15:53<irina>barballs how are you?
15:53<cryphog>hello everybody
15:54<irina>ihavent been here for 7 years :D
15:54<barballs>Grand thanks. First time in the chat. getting great help :)
15:54<barballs>Hey phog
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15:54<barfod>hmm, generally it would be on /dev/sda or /dev/sdb. pay more attention to the device next time you install. it could have been /dev/sdd but i find it unlikely that was the correct drive
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15:55<cryphog>can anybody help me with my update manager in LMDE Mate 64
15:55<barfod>when you are in the partitioning phase write the disk /dev/XXX down before you continue
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15:56<devil_>cryphog: not here, wrong channel
15:56<cryphog>oh ok sorry
15:56<devil_>cryphog: no prob
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16:00<barballs>barfod i installed debian onto a sepearate drive. it was sdd5
16:01<barballs>I think I see my mistake now. WHat I am to put in that box is the location of the install not the location of the MBR?
16:02<barfod>specify the drive you are going to try and boot
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16:02<barfod>the computer just sees /dev/sdX is doesn't see /dev/sdx1 unless you tell it where it is
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16:03<barballs>cool thanks.
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16:03<barballs>Ok I am going to give this install another crack
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16:29<overjoyedpulp>is there any way i can have separate autostart folders for kde and xfce under the same user?
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16:42<barballs>if using a whole disk for install of debian do I need to set up LVM?
16:42<Apollo>you dont have to no.
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16:42<barballs>what's is there a benefit to doing so>
16:43<barballs>*Is there a benefit to doing so?
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16:46<barballs>for the drives whats the difference between (0,0,0) and (0,1,0) ?
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16:48<lautriv_>anyone used to nfs-root ?
16:49<barballs>not me lautriv_ sorry.
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16:54<lautriv_>barballs, at least you gave me a response ;)
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16:57<Chav>Hi. Does adduser -home specify where a new user's root directory will be created, or does it specify the directory that will _become_ the new user's root directory?
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16:57<Chav>^adduser --home^
16:58<barfod>adduser defaults to creating a /home
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16:59<SynrG>it's pretty clear in the man page that it *is* the user's home directory
16:59<matt___>Hey guys. I installed vnc4server on my debian server and I want to use it secretly. The problem is I cannot find where any config file is for the server. By default, it has no username, a very weak password, and no forced encryption. Is there anyway I can configure these things in the server?
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17:00<barfod>in this case, i think it is to force a new location
17:00<matt___>I cannot believe such a thing could be so insecure. The no username and the very short password seems like a very easy target for hackers.
17:00<Chav>SynrG: not in my mind, i found it ambiguous. It also seems odd that you have to create the new home directory prior to creating the user. That's why I asked.
17:00<barfod>i tried it with /opt and the user ends up in /opt, which obviously you _dont_ want
17:01<Chav>barfod: you mean /opt belonged to the user?
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17:01<barfod>it was their $(pwd)
17:01<barfod>or home
17:02<SynrG>Chav: the man page says "Use DIR as the user's home directory"
17:02<SynrG>how is that ambiguous?
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17:02<Chav>SynrG: because on Debian, the folder in which home folders are stored is called, "home". Hence the ambiguity.
17:03<SynrG>are you looking at the same place in the man page I am? the doc that explains the --home option itself.
17:04<SynrG>not the first mention of it in DESCRIPTION
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17:05<SynrG>"as the user's home directory" is completely unambiguous. not "the parent directory where the user's home directory will be created"
17:05<Chav>I'm looking under the option's own description, yes. It also comes across as odd because it specifies, "rather than the default specified by the configuration file." But I'm pretty sure the configuration file only specifies the parent directory.
17:07<SynrG>file a bug to clarify that part, then.
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17:09<barfod>Chav, try useradd, and you never complain about adduser again
17:09<barfod>will never*
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17:10<barfod>its defaults are sort of horrid. but when you realize that adduser is sort of the opposite, it all makes more sense
17:10<radubogdan>can somebody help me mount a ext4 partition with rw? i tried with uid ang gid, but it seems on startup to not recognize those things and got to change them from emergency mode
17:10<radubogdan>i've also tried with defaults
17:10<Chav>barfod: thanks. I'll think about that for next time.
17:10<SynrG>ah, so let's not improve the recommended tool with a useful bug report, but recommend a more complicated tool with fewer default behaviours specified.
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17:11*SynrG shrugs
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17:11<Chav>SynrG: so, you concur that the description I refer to could be improved to increase understanding?
17:11<SynrG>fwiw, i agree that the second part of the sentence puts the first part (that seemed clear enough to me) in doubt ... somewhat
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17:12<SynrG>so find a better wording and file a minor bug to improve it
17:12<barfod>"this will set your home dir"
17:12<Chav>SynrG: Thank you that concession. As a new user, that small amount of doubt sufficed to become a hurdle.
17:12<Chav>^for that^
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17:34<mj>hi all
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17:35<barballs>i when through the entire install again
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17:35<barballs>this time making sure I had the right /dev/sdX for the grub install at the end.
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17:35<barballs>still does not show grub at startup
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17:36<barballs>only get windows windows 7 or continue installation option
17:36<mj>babilen, did you forgot to install grub at the end of install ?
17:37<barballs>you don;t have a choice. It does it for you. you just have to provide the "/dev/sdd"
17:37<barballs>sad panda
17:37<mj>well today i installed deb 7
17:37<mj>and i had to choise grub to install
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17:38<mj>that's what i did and that's why i have em
17:38<barballs>using the DVD or online install?
17:38<barballs>or Live CD?
17:38<barballs>I used dvd from windows
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17:39<barballs>so we have a difference.
17:39<barballs>what version of windows did you have installed
17:39<barballs>and did you use a partition or a seperate hard drive?
17:39<mj>i have no windows :)
17:40<barballs>not same problem then :)
17:40<mj>you can actually boot from dvd
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17:40<barballs>only into a shell
17:40<mj> and no live mode?
17:40<barballs>I don't have the live
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17:40<mj>you dont need it actually
17:40<mj>only install
17:41<barballs>When I try to do grub at the end it forces me back to the partitions part of the install
17:41<mj>but you can download iso from windows os, make live usb with lili and boot from it
17:41<barballs>which translates to having to re-install the OS again
17:41<barballs>aka another 30 mins wasted
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17:42<devil_>barballs: look at your grub.cfg
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17:42<mj>well i dont know muck about installer cz last time i did deb install was like 10 years ago, and nowm today first install with deb 7, it works good
17:42<barballs>where is that devil_
17:42<mj>babilen, /boot/grub/grub.cfg
17:42<devil_>at /boot/grub
17:43<barballs>on the lunix side?
17:43<barballs>I can not get into the linux side
17:43<mj>well ))
17:43<barballs>that's my problem :)
17:43<mj>google than how to update grub from live mode
17:43<devil_>barballs: you can from a live cd/stick
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17:43<barballs>let me get that burned. I'll check it out
17:44<mj>babilen, use usb stick
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17:44<mj>it will be faster
17:45<barballs>apparently I don't have a choice. Linux has locked up my DVD drive :P
17:45<barballs>usb it is
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17:45<barballs>so that's unrar the iso into a USB?
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17:45<mj>keep it as you downloaded
17:46<barballs>straight ISO?
17:46<mj>and google lili usb linux
17:46<mj>you'll download a small program
17:46<mj>when you start it, you'll understand what to do
17:46<mj>and boot from the stick
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17:47<devil_>there is even dd for windows
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17:48<mj>download babilen
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17:52<mj>do someone know - is it pusible that when xscreensaver start (when i close the laptop lid), gdm will show, like i clecked at new login in xscreensaver
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17:55<barballs>the live images are for 7.0
17:55<barballs>I have install OS for 7.1
17:55<barballs>will that make any difference?
17:55<Moz>Need help please
17:56<abrotman>need question please
17:57<Moz>Need to give permission for user "Moz" but only for /folder who is in /var/www/web1/Moz
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17:57<Moz>But when it try moz:moz /var/www/web1/Moz it'es give the permission for all /var
17:58<Moz>chown moz:moz /var/www/web1/Moz/folder
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18:05<bernat_>Moz, could you be more specific?
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18:07<Moz>bernat_ wana to give permission to a folder to a user for exemple web1 in /var/www/web/web1 and chroot him so that he can't see /var/www/web/
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18:11<bernat_>Moz, I think you want to make a sandbox:
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18:13<Moz>bernat_ no just give restricted limit to a user in a folder
18:14<barballs>as in disk space right?
18:14<barfod>accomplish that with adjustments to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf not the shell
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18:17<d4rkn30>is there anyway i can stop having to type sudo all the time ?
18:17<abrotman>use Windows 98 ?
18:17<abrotman>security is a good thing
18:18<devil_>d4rkn30: i never had to use sudo
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18:18<d4rkn30>i know this, But it is a pain in the ass,
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18:18<d4rkn30>sorry ... language
18:18<barfod>debian doesn't have sudo installed by default . how did you configure the sudoers file ?
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18:19<d4rkn30>sorry im in the wrong channel
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18:19<barballs>hi all
18:19<d4rkn30>I thought this was Ubuntu's Channel sorry guys
18:19<barballs>I am in the grub.cfg file.
18:19<barballs>what was I to look for?
18:20<bernat>that explains the question :-)
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18:21<abrotman>it doesn't really explain it ..
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18:23<barballs>hey devil_ I got into the grub.cfg file. what am I to look for?
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18:35<barballs>ok i am going to have to give up on Linux. When hardware starts breaking it's time to stop.
18:35<barballs>shouldn't be this hard
18:35<barballs>thanks to those to tried to help :)
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19:12<Or4nge>i'm trying to delte some files with srm; but the cmd says that it have some hardlinks
19:12<Or4nge>someone knows how I can delete it?
19:13<abrotman>remove hardlinks first?
19:14<devil_>find /home -xdev -samefile yourfile
19:14<Or4nge>there are an option in rm that make the work for me?
19:15<Or4nge>I made that already, but just 1 file was found!
19:15<devil_>find /home -xdev -samefile yourfile | xargs rm
19:16<Or4nge>*the disk is an external 2tb ntfs disk
19:16<devil_>well, that bit of information comes in handy, specialy the ntfs part ;)
19:17<devil_>and that being said, I am out :)
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19:17<Or4nge>ok, thanks
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19:34<crane_>hi, i modified my bashrc but when i logon by ssh it is not loaded?
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19:39<abrotman>crane_: you did read the top of .bashrc, right ?
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19:40<crane_>abrotman, you mean that's not for login shells? ^^
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19:42<barballs>if you have one OS on an SSD and Linux on HDD. Could GRUB not have a chance to install?
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19:43<crane_>abrotman, but why is it working on other machines where i also logon by ssh?
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19:43<abrotman>because you altered .bash_profile to load .bashrc?
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19:45<SamB>a most sensible thing to do, on the whole
19:45<crane_>dont remember that i've one that
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19:48<crane_>barballs, i dont see any problem
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19:48<crane_>barballs, just install grub into the mbr of disk0
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19:49<barballs>crane_ that produces a fatal error
19:49<crane_>barballs, more specific?
19:49<barballs>is to have ssd with win 7. reguarl with Devian
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19:50<barballs>i have 128gb ssd with win7 installed
19:50<barballs>have next drive 1tb WD empty for linux
19:50<barballs>have gone through install process using every possible option and none of it works
19:51<barballs>appears to install fine
19:51<crane_>and then grub fails?
19:51<barballs>but on restart it just goes straight to windos
19:51<barballs>grub installs fine
19:51<barballs>or quits silently
19:51<barballs>can't tell the difference
19:51<crane_>i think you dont load grub
19:52<barballs>it says "installing GRUB"
19:52<crane_>if you have two disks you have to boot from the disk we're grub is instaled on
19:52<barballs>then asks me for the /dev/sdd where you want it
19:52<barballs>i put in the right number
19:52<crane_>which number?
19:52<barballs>you dont put a number
19:53<barballs>i tried /dev/sdd1
19:53<barballs>but that fails too
19:53<barballs>i only have one partition
19:53<barballs>going n00b route because I figured it was idiot (sorry) proof
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19:53<blast007>is the SSD the first hard drive in your system's boot order?
19:54<crane_>sounds like
19:54<barballs>It should be
19:54<blast007>should be, or is?
19:54<barballs>if not it's the striped array
19:54<rawr_>install windows first, then install linux, the installer usually takes care of boot loader :p
19:54<blast007>array? is RAID involved as well?
19:54<rawr_>path of least resistance :D
19:55<blast007>details like that are useful..
19:55<crane_>we're talking about an hardware raid?
19:55<barballs>i have a striped array for work
19:55<crane_>blast007, indeed
19:55<barballs>not sure crane
19:55<crane_>we're did you setup the raid? in bios or in os install?
19:56<barballs>erm.... bios iirc
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19:56<blast007>so are there two SSDs in a RAID 1?
19:56<blast007>RAID 0*
19:56<barballs>which ever number striped is
19:57<barballs>I believe that's 1 right?
19:57<blast007>1 is mirrored
19:57<barballs>then 0
19:58<blast007>that's likely to complicate matters..
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19:59<barballs>ok system nutshell is this: i5, 16Gb ram, 2x 1tb hds, 1 Raid 0 256 ssd, 1 60 gb ssd and 1x 128gb SSD for os
19:59<barballs>that is SDC
20:00<barballs>so should I have GRUB on that? as opposed to sdd?
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20:00<crane_>land of confusion build by disks o.O
20:00<barballs>yeah. I work with a TONNE of data
20:01<crane_>look into your bios which device is at the first place for beeing boot
20:01<crane_>onto this device you should install your grub
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20:01<barballs>that's boot order right?
20:02<barballs>oh sugar
20:02<barballs>I have got to go.
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20:02<barballs>I'll try that out crane_
20:02<barballs>thanks for that tip
20:02<crane_>good luck and gn8
20:02<barballs>fingers crossed it will get me closer to seeing my install ;)
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20:37<Krionn>Hi all.
20:38<Krionn>who can tell me if it is needed install intel microcodes as well know is non-free
20:39<SamB>well have you been experiencing any CPU malfunctions described in errata as fixed by the updates?
20:39<nevyn>Krionn: I dunno.
20:39<nevyn>Krionn: in that it's either live with the microcode bugs in whatever shipped..
20:40<nevyn>or live with the new bugs in the microcode.
20:41<Krionn>so it is pratical need to install
20:41<SamB>if you've got problems that it fixes, you might want to install it
20:42<SamB>if it makes you feel better, you might want to install it
20:43<themill>The trouble with the bugs the microcode fixes is that you'd probably never know if you were hitting them. It's "mysterious crashes"-land.
20:43<Krionn>I have not see problems also the messages in the boot, than I do not neet to install, corect ?
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20:45<Krionn>thanks all
20:46<nevyn>themill: "mysterious crashes"-land sounds like a place I don't want to visit.
20:47<themill>nevyn: don't use any CPU then!
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21:49<zorroT>what does it take to use fuseiso to mount an iso in userspace? (right now, seems to require root privs?)
21:50<sney>there may be a fuse group that a user can join?
21:50<zorroT>i'm asking, i dunno :-)
21:50<sney>grep fuse /etc/group - there does seem to be a fuse group. is your user in it?
21:50<abrotman>you mean instead of loopback ?
21:51<zorroT>i don't like the idea of running pc exes (wine) with root privs.
21:51<zorroT>huh, there!
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21:52<zorroT>still getting "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied"
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21:54<abrotman>did you relogin ?
21:54<zorroT>just rebooted :-)
21:56<zorroT>yup. that was it.
21:56<zorroT>danke sney, aboudreault
21:56<sney>no problem
21:57<abrotman>oh pok
21:57<zorroT>YOU'VE WON A HUGE PRIZE. er thank you. :-)
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21:58<zorroT>if this works, i'm going to be free of my mac finally.
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21:58<zorroT>usually, people come here with rational requests, but -- wish me good luck. if i can get vectorworks to install -- goodbye apple. :-)
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22:05<AlisonChaiken>My jessie laptop choked on an "apt-get update" kernel upgrade from 3.1 to whatever's next.
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22:05<AlisonChaiken>Now it won't boot.
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22:05<sney>AlisonChaiken, well, did you try booting with the older kernel which is still in your grub menu?
22:05<xee>i have a problem can any body guide me how to install my video cards driver on subuntu 13.04?
22:06<AlisonChaiken>It comes up to grub, and whether I choose the regular kernel or the recovery one, says it's missing "conf/arch.con", a file I don't have on my desktop.
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22:06<AlisonChaiken>sney, there are only two kernels in grub: 3.1.x and 3.1.x recovery.
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22:06<AlisonChaiken>Both fail the same way.
22:07<AlisonChaiken>Does arch.conf ring a bell with anyone?
22:07<sney>it's not supposed to remove any previous kernels on upgrade if they're previous versions
22:07<AlisonChaiken>I can boot with a disk or SystemRescueCD or whatever, but I'm not sure how to fix it.
22:07<sney>also, the version you're seeing is probably 3.9-1 since that's what's currently in jessie
22:08<sney>but if grub is failing on some file not found error it's more likely a grub issue than a kernel one
22:08<AlisonChaiken>Laptop has 3.1.2 (IIRC) and 3.9-1 installation failed.
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22:08<AlisonChaiken>Via apt-get upgrade.
22:08<sney>since wheezy released with 3.2 it's highly unlikely that you'd see anything below that in current testing
22:08<AlisonChaiken>Oh sorry, sney, must be 3.2.
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22:09<AlisonChaiken>I hate to keep rebooting it and using sysrq to shutdown . . .
22:09<AlisonChaiken>The system has been kept patched regularly throughout it's history.
22:09<sney>so, you said your laptop choked on the upgrade, what do you mean by that
22:09<AlisonChaiken>I actually just looked in /boot/grub on working system, as it happens, and there's no arch.conf there either.
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22:10<AlisonChaiken>sney, I ran "apt-get upgrade" and a new kernel update started.
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22:10<AlisonChaiken>I got a message that it had failed, but oh well, I can keep running the old kernel.
22:10<AlisonChaiken>The old kernel is still the only one listed in grub, but now it doesn't boot.
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22:10<sney>what failed, do you remember what the message said in any more detail
22:12<AlisonChaiken>sney, I think it said that headers failed, but I didn't pay much attention, as I figured if it didn't install, old one would continue to work.
22:12<AlisonChaiken>I'm willing to be philosophical about all this, but I'm not sure how to fix it!
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22:13<AlisonChaiken>I guess I could simply copy the files I care about off and do a clean reinstall.
22:13<AlisonChaiken>If grub is borked, I'm not sure how much choice I have.
22:13<sney>well anyway as I said, it looks more like a grub problem than a kernel problem. I would say to boot with your livecd, chroot into your debian system, mount any required things like dev proc sys, then run 'aptitude -f install'
22:13<sney>because if the system "choked" during a package install it may just need to try again
22:13<sney>or at least, it'll give you a less vague error message that you can share with the rest of the class.
22:14<AlisonChaiken>sney, thanks, what you suggest is certainly work a try before I go for the nuclear option.
22:14<AlisonChaiken>Thanks, I'll try it.
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22:26<jgcampbell300>i need help .. i want to delete *.sub from all the directories from where im at down i thought thi swould work what am i doing wrong ... rm -r *.sub
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22:27<sney>rm won't recurse into directories, you want to use find, or a for loop
22:28<jgcampbell300>oh i see ... so find can delete files ?
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22:28<jgcampbell300>will have to look that up thanks
22:29<sney>find can execute commands
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22:30<jgcampbell300>oh cool .. ya im reading up man pages on find now ... thank you much for help
22:33<jgcampbell300>so if im reading this right ... find /media/drive1/ -type f -iname "*.sub" -exec rm -f {} /; ... would delete all *.sub in all dire under /media/drive1/ ?
22:33<sney>it looks right to me but I always test things in a throwaway dir before trying in production
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22:35<jgcampbell300>good point ... so im going ot make a dir to test it on ... with the /media/drive1/ part will that contain the prossess ?
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22:38<jgcampbell300>was just asking if that command would affect anything below the drive /media/drive1/ ... so i dont erase something else ware on the drive
22:39<sney>run your find command without the -exec argument and you'll see the list of files it'll operate on
22:40<jgcampbell300>ahh good thought .. sorry really sleepy .. thanks for helping me
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22:46<jgcampbell300>cool ... did exactly what i wanted to ... is it possable to add "*.sub" "*.txt" to it ? or is that asking to much ?
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22:46<sney>ask your man page about what kind of arguments find will take
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22:47<jgcampbell300>ahh ok ... thanks again ... im gona get out of hre e... i need a nap have a good evening or what ever the case may be
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22:54<AlisonChaiken>sney, SystemRescueCD can't mount my laptop's internal drive.
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22:54<AlisonChaiken>I guess what I'm looking at is not a kernel upgrade failure but a plain old disk failure.
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22:55<sney>that would do it
22:55<AlisonChaiken>I have backups. So it goes!
22:56<AlisonChaiken>Thanks muchly for your help. I'll take the drive out of the system and put it in an enclosure and try mounting it on another host just because I don't feel like restoring . . .
22:56<AlisonChaiken>Hmm, guess I should have shelled out the dough for the more expensive Samsung SSD!
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