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00:26<crunchbang>newb here
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00:43<bullgard4>Description of the Wheezy DEB program package »«xserver-xorg-input-mouse: "This package is built from the xf86-input-mouse driver module." What is a »driver module«?
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00:52<chealer>bullgard4: a module is a component of A driver module is an module which is a driver.
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01:01<bullgard4>chealer: Understood. -- Thank you very much for your help.
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02:12<peter1139>stderr_dk, openssh 6.2it adds support for multiple required authentication methods, i.e. lets it do two-factor auth
02:13<stderr_dk>Ah, ok.
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02:32<bullgard4>'~$ lsb_release -a; Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy); Release: 7.1'. What criteria justify to differntiate Release 7.1 from Release 7.0?
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02:39<epirus1>hi guys ,do you think debian-stable is the most stable linux distribution ?
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02:43<Fusin>epirus1: sure :-D
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02:48<epirus1>sometimes my debian's will stuck and unresponse and which log I should look for ?
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02:54<Fusin>else take a look into -> /var/log/*
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03:00<Kow>question about versioning, what would +b1, +b2, etc mean. example: network-manager-gnome:amd64 (, would that just be a rebuild?
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03:03<devil>Kow: 5.6.12 Version
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03:06<Kow>i have read that devil, my question remains.
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03:08<Kow>i have noticed versions with "+b1" "+b2" are relatively common and i have not been able to locate changelog entries
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03:09<devil>got to work, sorry
03:11<cae>Kow: probably ask that in #debian-devel... or find out yourself: wget http://archive.d.o; dpkg -x; diff -r
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03:19<RalieghFhang>Hello. I'm having a few issues upgrading from squeeze to wheezy on my VPS. Now, the upgrade goes fine and when checking lsb_release it shows it upgraded fine. However, in the past few installations when isntalling a package (different each time) or trying to upgrade I get an error with libc6:i386 requiring me to reinstall.
03:20<RalieghFhang>Now, I've just done a fresh reinstall and upgrade, and doing dpkg --audit is showing that "libc6:i386 (among two others) is missing its list control file. Trying to reinstall gives me the error that causes me to do a complete system wipe. Think anyone can help?
03:20<RalieghFhang>I can offer more details, I don't wish to spam.
03:21<Nemoder>pastebin the error you get
03:22<RalieghFhang>Certainly, just a second.
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03:25<weasel>fun :)
03:26<weasel>RalieghFhang: go to /var/cache/apt/archives. run dpkg --contents libc6...deb.
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03:26<weasel>very that you have all these files.
03:26<weasel>then try to dpkg --contents libc... > /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:i386.list
03:26<weasel>that /might/ fix stuff. or it might not.
03:27<Nemoder>sounds like something got botched with the multiarch transition
03:27<Nemoder>!multiarch howto
03:27<dpkg>multiarch howto is, like,
03:27<weasel>my guess is that somehow he lost the file. either due to a system crash or because whoever installed it screwed up badly.
03:28<weasel>RalieghFhang: are you on i386 or amd64?
03:28<RalieghFhang>Well I did, using a simple howtoforge guide. I don't have phsyical or GUI access, so.
03:28<RalieghFhang>Also, weasel, to check that file should I check my libc6-dev file or just normal libc6... file?
03:29<weasel>just the normal one
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03:30<RalieghFhang>What's the line limit for paste?
03:30<RalieghFhang>Ah I'll just bin it.
03:31<bullgard4>RalieghFhang: Usually 512 minus a few bytes.
03:31<weasel>have you checked that you have all the files that dpkg --contents mentioned?
03:31<RalieghFhang>Trying your method just a sec ago weasel. I can reinstall if necessary, I haven't put any work into the system this time. However, I'd like the 'proper' way of upgrading.
03:31<weasel>also, you got your path wrong.
03:32<RalieghFhang>weasel No, there was >70 lines of files
03:33<RalieghFhang>So I've no idea how to auto-check, and am not quite willing to go digging through hundreds of packages to verify.
03:33<RalieghFhang>Fixing my directory fixed the original error. Now libc6:i386 is in the md5sum area when auditing.
03:33<RalieghFhang>To be fair I'm unsure if those are even an issue or not.
03:34<weasel>now you reinstall, if it'll let you.
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03:34<RalieghFhang>Same thing, "It is not safe to upgrade blah blah blah"
03:35<RalieghFhang>Following the removal/move method breaks apt and aptitude entirely. Tried it before.
03:35<weasel>no idea what you did to your system then
03:35<RalieghFhang>That. Now if that's an improper method I'm mighty willing to try another one.
03:36<Nemoder>maybe a force reinstall would work?
03:36<RalieghFhang>Couldn't hurt. Seems like I'm at the bottom of a hole as it is now.
03:36<weasel>the problem probably wasn't the upgrade, but that the system was fucked beforehand
03:36<RalieghFhang>All packages and things were fine when upgrading on squeeze
03:36<RalieghFhang>Checked out great.
03:36<RalieghFhang>If you'd care to be my hero, I can re-install and see if you could help me locate the problem
03:37<RalieghFhang>Because to be fair I'm at a loss.
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03:37<RalieghFhang>Nemoder, trying to force a reinstall simply tossed me the same error.
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03:40<RalieghFhang>BTW, I just ran uname -m again, I'm actually running i686, but I doubt that matters. Going to take a smoke break, returning shortly. Appreciate the tips thus far.
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03:42<rhh>bonjour très cher amis
03:43<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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03:49<Nemoder>RalieghFhang: any chance of storage issues? check dmesg for io errors, I can't see how those files could vanish in the upgrade
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03:52<RalieghFhang>Nemoder: I am not familiar with that command. However simply typing it in echoed nothing.
03:53<RalieghFhang>Seriously, if anyone would care to join me in monitoring traced outputs to fix this from a fresh install (Squeeze) would be my hero.
03:55<Zaba>why would you do a fresh squeeze install
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03:55<RalieghFhang>Since mine is apparently broken to shit, and that's the one provided by my host.
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03:56<RalieghFhang>This is all virtual, no physical access or GUI just to clarify.
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04:02<Nemoder>if dmesg isn't outputting anything i'd definitely say it's time for a system reinstall
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04:04<RalieghFhang>Entirely fine with that. However, I need to somehow find out where things are breaking.
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04:04<RalieghFhang>And the only way to do that is to step-by-step it with someone more knowledgeable on this subject.
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04:07<RalieghFhang>To re-iterate this is the method I used.
04:08<RalieghFhang>10 minutes of someone's time to see what exactly may go wrong here, or some extra method to check for errors or something would be great.
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04:12<RalieghFhang>Holy lord so much filler.
04:12<RalieghFhang>I'll give it a shot.
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04:13<Nemoder>in the end it's not much different but it gives you more to watch out for depending on your setup
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04:14<RalieghFhang>Would you care to view the steps or should I just script the terminal output and pastebin it?
04:14<RalieghFhang>I can almost guarantee something will break, heh.
04:15<Nemoder>upgrading is generally: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy"; apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade.
04:15<Nemoder>but if you run into problems carefuly read the upgrade docs
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04:15<Nemoder>or if the system is important read all the docs for everything first :)
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04:17<RalieghFhang>That's exactly what I did the last... 3 times I think?
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04:17<RalieghFhang>Same problem each and every time haha.
04:17<Nemoder>if it's not your machine i would also make sure the system you are upgrading actually is squeeze and not some weird hybrid
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04:19<RalieghFhang>Haha, I'm just keeping the default repositories upon system reinstall this time around.
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04:20<RalieghFhang>My order "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install dist-upgrade", change from squeeze to wheezy, then repeat.
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04:23<devil>RalieghFhang: all you need is: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. why the extra step with upgrade? apt-get install dist-upgrade is plain wrong
04:24<RalieghFhang>Yeah, didn't mean to add the install in there.
04:26<kououken>Is it possible to change a single kernel compilation option (in my case, 'LOGIWHEELS_FF = y'), but not sacrifice the nice automatic kernel updates through apt-get? I managed to successfully compile my own kernel, but immediately had a truckload of problems with nvidia drivers, module versions, etc.. :(
04:27<kououken>Sorry, 'CONFIG_LOGIWHEELS_FF'
04:32<RalieghFhang>Nemoder: Upgrade all done, same errors as last time.
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04:34<RalieghFhang> <-- That's my entire log from a fresh, completely clean install to the finished junk.
04:34<RalieghFhang>'Nother nicotine break, hope somebody has a moment to look through that and figure out WTF is going wrong.
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04:39<Nemoder>RalieghFhang: i think you may have a problem with xinetd
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04:41<Nemoder>it doesn't look like the upgrade ever finishes
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04:42<RalieghFhang>xinetd? Know of a fix, or something to do?
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04:43<RalieghFhang>Or am I simply SOL?
04:43<Nemoder>I'm not familiar with it but it says to read the docs
04:44<peter1139>kououken, erm, CONFIG_LOGIWHEELS_FF is y in the default kernel anyway
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04:48<RalieghFhang>Nemoder: It says nothing useful that I can personally gather. Googling that error brings me to people having access violation errors which is not me.
04:48<RalieghFhang> <-- the readme
04:48<chips>how to play flash player on linux
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04:54<Nemoder>RalieghFhang: well maybe that is unrelated, i do see those missing list file errors pop up right after multiarch support package is installed
04:55<RalieghFhang>Oh well, I'm just going to have to forge ahead and hope not much breaks along the way. Terrible I know, but I gotta do what I have to.
04:56<RalieghFhang>True. I still am unsure of how to fix that though sadly
04:56<RalieghFhang>Guess I can try and reinstall it
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04:56<Nemoder>if you aren't on a 64bit system i dont think you even need it
04:57<kououken>peter1139: In the v3.9 kernel source in the relevant Kconfig file the LOGIWHEELS_FF setting has "default LOGITECH_FF", which I assume sets it to whatever LOGITECH_FF is set to. In the logitech_ff section there is no "default", so I'm assuming it's turned off. ?
04:57<RalieghFhang>Nah that didn't fix it.
04:57<RalieghFhang>I'm not.
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04:57<kououken>peter1139: I know something is up because adding "default = y" to the logiwheels section and recompiling makes my Driving Force GT steering wheel's force feedback work! :D
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04:58<kououken>peter1139: I'm not very kernel-savvy though, so I could easily be missing something important.
04:59<peter1139>ok... i'm on 3.2, not 3.9
04:59<Nemoder>is it built as a module in the debian kernel and not auto loaded?
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04:59<peter1139>grep LOGIWHEELS /boot/config-`uname -r` will tell you the setting for the current kernel
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05:02<kououken>I've managed to change the config option and compile with 3.9, so it's actually working right now, but I have all kinds of other problems relating to nvidia driver versions and modules. I would be happy to go back to wheezy if it worked, but I think I just tried that.
05:03<kououken>peter1139 Let me check the 3.2 sources.
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05:16<kououken>peter1139: It looks like the debian package linux-source-3.2 doesn't have "default=y" in the LOGITECH_FF or LOGIWHEELS_FF sections either, so it seems to be disabled. Is yours enabled on 3.2?
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05:21<Zaba>kououken, you should check what they're set to in the actual config
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05:21<Zaba>kououken, the default is of little relevance here
05:21<peter1139>kououken, yes
05:22<peter1139>CONFIG_LOGIWHEELS_FF=y in /boot/config-3.2.0-4-amd64
05:23<kououken>peter1139/Zaba: Oh sweet! So I guess I shot myself in the foot by trying unstable. I never guessed it would have features turned off for testing?
05:23<Zaba>kououken, um, what?
05:24<peter1139>well, is it not =y in jessie?
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05:24<kououken>peter1139: Is there any way to check online? I have thoroughly messed with my installation to try and get it enabled.
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05:25<Nemoder>grep LOGIWHEELS /boot/config-3.9-1-amd64 CONFIG_LOGIWHEELS_FF=y
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05:26<kououken>Nemoder: Thank you nemoder
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05:53<kououken>peter1139, Zaba, Nemoder: Thanks for the help. I think the feature I was looking for has been enabled this whole time... but the games I tried don't yet support ff under linux. Will experiment some with Wine. Thanks again!
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06:12<peter1139>kououken, LFS under wine works with FF. I don't know of any Linux-native game :(
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06:28<pavel_>what is this?
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06:30<devil>a debian support channel
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06:33<RalieghFhang>Got an issue here. So, I decided to stick with Deb6 since it was impossible for me to get 7.1. However I had to add a sid repo in order to get a few libs to configure something.
06:33<RalieghFhang>However, now once making it, I get this error:
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06:34<devil>RalieghFhang: what are you trying to build?
06:34<RalieghFhang>A program called "liquidsoap"
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06:35<RalieghFhang>It configured fine after I installed all the dependencies (a few from a sid repo).
06:35<devil>well, it's missing lstdc++, which apt-file search cannot find
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06:35<devil>but I have to run, walking the dog
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06:35<RalieghFhang>Indeed, that package doesn't show on my cache search.
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06:36<RalieghFhang>The package "G++-multilib" seems to have fixed it.
06:37<XAVeRY>how can I set my wifi to automatically turn on after booting? right now, rfkill is on by default.
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06:56<kououken>peter1139: LFS is working great through Wine at the moment. I have high hopes for Euro Truck Simulator 2. The Linux beta is running flawlessly, aside from no force feeback. The steering wheel and all hardware is 100% operational though.
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07:03<peter1139>Hmm, not actually tried that.
07:04<peter1139>Oh, that needs Steam :(
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07:05<kououken>I've been trying all the games I can since Steam started their Linux beta. So far ETS2, HL2, Kerbal, Portal and Surgeon Simulator have been fantastic.
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07:05<kououken>Getting awfully close to deleting my Windows partition for good.
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07:11<peter1139>I got annoyed that Steam's definition of Linux was "Ubuntu" and didn't bother trying since.
07:12<RalieghFhang>I feel dumb, but I'm attempting to install the mysql server on my VPS. I've already installed mysql-server using apt-get, and it installed fine... However I can't login because of a sock error, and in my init.d there's no mysqld
07:12<RalieghFhang>Just mysql (client)
07:14<RalieghFhang>Some more details.
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07:14<kououken>I guess the majority of their target audience is probably on Ubuntu. The installer is fiddly, but once it's working and happy with your 32bit video drivers, everything works great.
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07:17<babilen>RalieghFhang: I am sure you read /usr/share/doc/mysql-*/README.Debian* already?
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07:18<kououken>peter1139: Ok, taking off now to try more ff games. Thanks again peter.
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07:19<RalieghFhang>Yes. I've already purged and removed and tried reinstalling.
07:19<RalieghFhang>The mysql database server still fails to start and won't even install now.
07:19<RalieghFhang>Pretty awesome stuff.
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07:20<RalieghFhang>That's 5.5 using a sid repo. TBH I want to use the stable 5.1 but I get a handful of dependancy errors trying to install that version.
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07:21<RalieghFhang>There's no reason 5.5 shouldn't work on my Deb6 squeeze though.
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07:25<RalieghFhang>I'm at a loss.
07:26<babilen>RalieghFhang: You *really really* shouldn't mix stable (let alone oldstable!!) with packages from sid.
07:26<babilen>I am not at all surprised that that installation (as probably your entire system now) is broken.
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07:27<RalieghFhang>Well alas there were two libraries I needed only available in sid to properly configure liquidsoap.
07:27<RalieghFhang>From my knowledge, once you snag something from that repo and then remove it it creates even more errors.
07:27<babilen>fwiw, 5.5 is in wheezy, so you should upgrade to wheezy from one of your recent backups (before mixing in sid)
07:27<babilen>dpkg: tell RalieghFhang -about ssb
07:27<RalieghFhang>Impossible to upgrade this VPS
07:27<RalieghFhang>Just FYI
07:27<babilen>RalieghFhang: You should *never* mix stable with anything but backports.
07:28<RalieghFhang>Tried for near 4 hours today with the help from weasel and Nemoder. Something heavy breaks libc6 upon upgrade
07:28<RalieghFhang>LSB_release shows fine
07:28<RalieghFhang>But G++ libraries beyond broken, so that's a no-go. I'm doing what I had to haha.
07:28<RalieghFhang>In any case, is there a way to rectify this?
07:29<babilen>RalieghFhang: Well, if you can't upgrade your VPS then you can't upgrade it and you are therefore limited to those packages that come with squeeze or that you can backport. You just cannot install current sid packages on squeeze and expect them to work. There are so many differences between those two releases now that ...
07:29<babilen>RalieghFhang: I can't really think of a way other than simply using the packages in squeeze.
07:29<RalieghFhang>Well, a lot of the sid worked. At least for my main thing. And that's fine, if there's a way to completely remove mysql and everything about it I can install the stable 5.1 version
07:30<RalieghFhang>Everything else works fine and I can remove the sid repo if there's a way to properly rectify this.
07:30<RalieghFhang>Already tried apt-get --purge -remove mysql-server
07:30<babilen>RalieghFhang: Your system is probably somewhere between squeeze and sid right now and ... well ...
07:31<peter1139>I should try that on an old sarge box I have...
07:32<babilen>RalieghFhang: Seriously: In order to run wheezy (current stable) you would have to downgrade half the system and upgrade the other ...
07:32<RalieghFhang>Honestly kind of fine with that.
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07:33<RalieghFhang>Or, if you know of a way to get this 5.5 working. I really don't see why it wouldn't.
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07:34<babilen>RalieghFhang: It shouldn't because it is a package meant to be used on a current sid system while you use squeeze. There are *massive* differences between the way those two releases work. In particular the switch to multiarch has an tremendous impact on how libraries are distributed and ...
07:34<babilen>Do you really expect packages from unstable to work on oldstable?
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07:35<babilen>We strongly discourage people from mixing *stable* with unstable ...
07:36<RalieghFhang>Guess I'll go through another re-install then.
07:36<RalieghFhang>Another 2 hours gone.
07:36*RalieghFhang whoos
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07:38<babilen>RalieghFhang: Well, don't mix (old)stable with unstable if you don't want to spend time on sorting out the errors. As you are planning to install from scratch anyway: Just install wheezy as that allows you to install mysql 5.5 easily.
07:38<RalieghFhang>Again, I can't.
07:38<RalieghFhang>Here, let me find the traced log of my attempts at an upgrade.
07:39<RalieghFhang>I'm required to begin from scratch on Squeeze. I can upgrade to Wheezy and lsb_release -a shows I'm running it.
07:40<RalieghFhang>However, down the road a simple package (happened on three different ones, seems random) gives me GCC errors. libc6
07:40<RalieghFhang>Unable to update it, unable to follow what it says about removing it (breaks nearly all commands on the system)
07:40<RalieghFhang>It's a dead-end. Way too unstable.
07:41<babilen>RalieghFhang: Note that I am not suggesting to upgrade but to install wheezy (as you seem to have decided to install from scratch anyway ("Guess I'll go through another re-install then."))
07:41<babilen>Why are you required to start with squeeze?
07:41<RalieghFhang>That's what happens eventually down the road.
07:42<RalieghFhang>Again this is a VPS, from a host. They only offer Deb6 as default.
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07:42<RalieghFhang>There is no Deb7 option, so alas I cannot simply start with such.
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07:45<RalieghFhang>Trust me, I'd love to run Wheezy. The universe however says "nay"
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07:45<peter1139>win 35
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07:47<babilen>RalieghFhang: Well, I have to take your word on that fact that you worked with weasel and Nemoder on this upgrade problem (weasel really should know) -- but then, that still doesn't mean that you can just install mysql 5.5 from sid on squeeze.
07:47<babilen>RalieghFhang: You might want to search for a hoster that supports wheezy in that case.
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07:48<RalieghFhang>Of course, and to clarify weasel only helped for the initial part. Alas he had to poof. And yes I know I need to change hosts, but money holds one down.
07:48<RalieghFhang>In any case, attempt #499 underway. Thanks babilen
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07:55<frankster>I've been trying to track down what's happening with wine packaging in unstable - carbon project seems to have stopped, noone seems to be doing a wine 1.5/1.6 package in sid... anyone know what the story is?
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08:18<babilen>judd: v wine-unstable
08:18<judd>Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.30-2
08:18<babilen>frankster: ^^^
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08:19<babilen>frankster: -- Please also note that testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next rather than here (that doesn't mean that your question was bad here or anything)
08:21<frankster>babilen: aha - totally didn't spot wine-unstable! thanks very much
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08:24<babilen>frankster: No problem - Keep in mind that wine 1.4 is the stable release from winehq and that 1.5/1.6 are considered to be development releases. We therefore package the stable release as wine, but still offer access to the development releases.
08:25<babilen>frankster: I don't have much/any experience with wine and I don't understand why they don't deem their 1.5/1.6 branches ready for a stable release, but my impression is that the rest of the world thinks that 1.4 is in an unusable state.
08:26<babilen>(no idea if that is actually try or just "shiny new shit syndrome")
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08:33<winuall>which channel should I try for basic C char* related questions?
08:33<abrotman>##c on
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08:43<peter1139>hmm, don't suppose anyone knows of deb packages for ossec?
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08:47<babilen>peter1139: What's that?
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08:47<peter1139>host-based intrustion detection system
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08:48<babilen>peter1139: AFAICT it is not (yet) packaged. See also for quite an old bug about it.
08:48<peter1139>hmm, someone's done ubuntu packages
08:48<peter1139>2006 :)
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08:53<RalieghFhang>Alright, so I'm making this file
08:53<RalieghFhang>And I snag this error
08:54<dpkg> mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like
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08:54<babilen>RalieghFhang: Looks like the source you are trying to compile misses caml/threads.h
08:54<RalieghFhang>Well I'll keep that in mind, though the captcha bit is silly. Only when posting, never viewing lol.
08:55<RalieghFhang>Yes I gathered that much, but I've never ever snagged that before and it's confusing. No direction on how to fix.
08:55<peter1139>ah yes, openssl license
08:55<RalieghFhang>Google doesn't know of anyone else with this issue (at least not specifically)
08:55<RalieghFhang>Wat do oh guru's of the sky?
08:55<babilen>RalieghFhang: Why not ask whoever provided you with that source code?
08:56*babilen doesn't quite see how this is related to Debian (yet)
08:57<babilen>fwiw, ocaml-nox ships usr/lib/ocaml/caml/threads.h (at least on wheezy, no idea what you are using now)
08:57<RalieghFhang>Because using this same exact source code the past 60 times (today even) has not yielded this.
08:57<RalieghFhang>Then again, I was doing some crazy stuff mixing between releases
08:57<babilen>didn't you just reinstall your system?
08:57<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
08:57<RalieghFhang>But, the variable is now the system. Running strictly on Squeeze.
08:57<RalieghFhang>I did.
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08:58<RalieghFhang>And thanks ompaul, you're not even paying attention. For one it's obviously me compiling from source and for two I said I mixed BEFORE.
08:58<babilen>That file does not seem to be available on squeeze.
08:58<ompaul>RalieghFhang: it's not squeeze if you are backporting sid to it
08:58<RalieghFhang>No sid on it.
08:58<babilen>judd: file ocaml/threads.h --release squeeze
08:58<judd>No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file.
08:58<babilen>judd: file ocaml/threads.h
08:58<peter1139>caml, not ocaml
08:58<judd>No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file.
08:58<babilen>Ah .. yeah
08:58<ompaul>the version number for liquidsoap is
08:58<babilen>judd: file caml/threads.h
08:58<RalieghFhang>I need 1.1.1
08:58<judd>Search for caml/threads.h in wheezy/i386: ocaml-nox: usr/lib/ocaml/caml/threads.h; mingw-ocaml: usr/i686-w64-mingw32/lib/ocaml/caml/threads.h
08:59<RalieghFhang>Repositories aren't updated.
08:59<RalieghFhang>I need to compile.
08:59<babilen>judd: file caml/threads.h --release squeeze
08:59<judd>No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file.
08:59<ompaul>1.1.1-6: amd64 armel armhf hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 s390x sparc
08:59<ompaul>SID ;-)
08:59<babilen>peter1139: Thanks -- I did it correctly before (in a private message), but my fingers played tricks on me afterwards.
09:00<RalieghFhang>I only see 0.9.3 in squeeze repo's.
09:00<RalieghFhang>0.9.2 *
09:00<babilen>judd: v liquidsoap
09:00<judd>Package: liquidsoap on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.2-3+b1; wheezy: 1.0.1+repack1-1.1; sid: 1.1.1-6
09:00<RalieghFhang>I'm not running wheezy.
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09:00<babilen>RalieghFhang: Haven't we been there before?
09:00<RalieghFhang>Tried mixing packages before bad idea.
09:00<RalieghFhang>No, not yet.
09:01<RalieghFhang>I'm running off of stable Squeeze only, no sids, no wheezy's, everything is stable.
09:01<babilen>judd: checkbackport liquidsoap --torelease=squeeze
09:01<RalieghFhang>Just gotta get this source to make
09:01<babilen>RalieghFhang: squeeze is oldstable not stable
09:01<RalieghFhang>Err, that's what I mean.
09:01<judd>Backporting package liquidsoap in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dh-ocaml (>= 1.0.1), libcry-ocaml-dev (>= 0.2.2), libogg-ocaml-dev (>= 0.4.5), libvorbis-ocaml-dev (>= 0.6.1-3), libmad-ocaml-dev (>= 0.4.3), libdtools-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.1), libtaglib-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.1), libcamomile-ocaml-dev (>= 0.8), libduppy-ocaml-dev (>= 0.5.1), libalsa-ocaml-dev (>= 0.2.1) [linux-any],
09:01<judd>libladspa-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.4), libsoundtouch-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.7), liblastfm-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.0), libspeex-ocaml-dev (>= 0.2.0-3), libgavl-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.5), libtheora-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.0-3), libportaudio-ocaml-dev (>= 0.2.0), libpulse-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.2), libsamplerate-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.2), libxmlplaylist-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.3), libbjack-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.4), libfaad-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.2), libmm-ocaml-dev (1 more message)
09:01<babilen>RalieghFhang: Looks like you have to backport ^^^^
09:01<RalieghFhang>In any case, my system is proper now, I've got all libs installed
09:01<babilen>(and more -- IOW: Don't)
09:02<RalieghFhang>All of that is installed.
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09:02<RalieghFhang>Configure went fine (need all of those libs to go through it) make is now failing me. Wondering if there's a workaround.
09:02<babilen>RalieghFhang: You can't have all of that installed as those are all the packages that cannot be found in Squeeze (either at all or in the required version)
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09:03<RalieghFhang>Wrong, I grabbed a few from backport and a few from deb-multimedia
09:03<babilen>judd: checkbackport liquidsoap
09:03<judd>Backporting package liquidsoap in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libogg-ocaml-dev (>= 0.4.5), libvorbis-ocaml-dev (>= 0.6.1-3), libdtools-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.1), libtaglib-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.1), libduppy-ocaml-dev (>= 0.5.1), libspeex-ocaml-dev (>= 0.2.0-3), libgavl-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.5), libtheora-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.0-3), libsamplerate-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.2), libbjack-ocaml-dev
09:03<judd>(>= 0.1.4), libfaad-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.2), libmm-ocaml-dev (>= 0.2.1), libflac-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.1-3), libschroedinger-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.0-3), libopus-ocaml-dev, libfrei0r-ocaml-dev, libshine-ocaml-dev, libmp3lame-ocaml-dev (>= 0.3.2), libdssi-ocaml-dev (>= 0.1.1), libgstreamer-ocaml-dev (>= 0.2.0).
09:03<ompaul>sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
09:03<RalieghFhang>Everything but gstreamer, opus and shine are installed.
09:04<RalieghFhang>Since I'm running squeeze, I can't install the high enough versions of those, but I don't need those features so I commented it out properly.
09:04<ompaul>which is why it failed?
09:04*ompaul just guesses
09:04<RalieghFhang>Again configure is fine, I have all the dependencies, it's my make that's throwing me for a loop.
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09:04<babilen>RalieghFhang: The bot takes wheezy-backports and squeeze-backports into account. You have to backport (as in manually backport) the aforementioned packages from sid if you want to compile the 1.1.1 sid package on squeeze. I have no idea how feasible that is and I would recommend to just use the version in squeeze or find a wheezy host and use the version in there.
09:04<RalieghFhang>Naw, you get a file called PACKAGES that you only uncomment needed or wanted features.
09:05<babilen>RalieghFhang: You do not seem to have the correct version.
09:05<RalieghFhang>Sadly the version in squeeze doesn't hold the functionality I'll need. I don't mind manually making this file using something in SID
09:05<ompaul>it's like proving a negative ... rather difficult
09:05<RalieghFhang>But I want to do it PROPERLY, and only to make and make install this source.
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09:05<ompaul>what's wrong with using wheezy or SID ?
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09:06<babilen>RalieghFhang: And fwiw, we strongly advise against using deb-multimedia these daus ...
09:06<RalieghFhang>Well last time I used SID things broke
09:06<ompaul>apt-get will remove your issues
09:06<RalieghFhang>bab got onto me for it, haha
09:06<babilen>ompaul: RalieghFhang has some shitty-but-cheap hoster that does not offer wheezy.
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09:06<ompaul>then time to break contract and run like a fast thing
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09:06<RalieghFhang>Hahaha, trust me I'm migrating as soon as I can. But in the meantime this is my test server.
09:07<RalieghFhang>Gotta get past this damn hurdle first though.
09:07<ompaul>well my time is worth more than that
09:07<ompaul>I wouldn't bother with it
09:07<ompaul>RalieghFhang: increase your self worth and move
09:07<RalieghFhang>So, bab, should I add a sid repo and grab what I need to make this file?
09:07<RalieghFhang>My self-worth is fine, thank you. Some of us don't swim in money.
09:07<ompaul>RalieghFhang: read what the bot said
09:07<RalieghFhang>I appreciate the judgment of my character?
09:08<RalieghFhang>That bot got spammed, which instance?
09:08<ompaul>I'm saying up it - I don't know what it is make it more :)
09:08<babilen>RalieghFhang: There are plenty of nice hosters that offer Debian Wheezy, linode, gandhi, ...
09:08<ompaul>Backporting package liquidsoap in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies
09:08<ompaul>that part
09:08<RalieghFhang>Ah, but I'm not going to wheezy.
09:08<ompaul>RalieghFhang: within 2 hours of getting a unix box many years ago one piece of advice was "you can't get there from here"
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09:09<babilen>RalieghFhang: No, you shouldn't grab anything from sid. I am telling you that if you want to backport the liquidsoap package in Debian from sid to squeeze that you have to backport the impressive list of ocaml packages the bot listed before for it to work. There might be another way and you might be able to patch the liquidsoap code to work without caml/threads.h but I am not an OCAML hacker and can't advise you on that.
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09:09<RalieghFhang>That's depressing advice and I refute it, haha.
09:10<RalieghFhang>And lengthy reply, but that put it into perspective for me. I see what you two were getting at now.
09:10<babilen>RalieghFhang: My impression is that liquidsoap 1.1.1 does not build with the version of OCAML (and related libraries) in squeeze.
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09:15<RalieghFhang>Question... Would it be possible for me to update my ocaml library from source? Would that cause issues?
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09:19<babilen>RalieghFhang: As mentioned: You would have to backport an impressive list of packages from sid to squeeze for that to work. (you would have to backport a smaller list to wheezy, but still) -- I don't know for sure, but I don't necessarily expect that to be easy or a good idea.
09:19<RalieghFhang>Ahh, yeah that makes sense. FFS
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09:20<babilen>RalieghFhang: It might turn out to be as easy as following <ssb> for all those packages, but that'll be a nightmare to maintain (look into apt-src, but that can only do as much) and I wouldn't recommend it. If you *really* need that version of liquidsoap then use a distribution that ships it.
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09:26<xfwfw>kingsley, dpkg-buildpackage
09:26<xfwfw>i did it without args
09:26<xfwfw>now I tried with: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b -a -rfakeroot
09:26<RalieghFhang>Plan on it some bab.
09:26<RalieghFhang>some day *
09:27<RalieghFhang>But it's about a month away until I can relocate to a proper host.
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09:27<xfwfw>now I get : error: invalid conversion from ‘char* (*)(const CERTName*) {aka char* (*)(const CERTNameStr*)}’ to ‘CERTGetNameFunc {aka char* (*)(CERTNameStr*)}’ [-fpermissive]
09:28<xfwfw>is it normal to get these errors when trying to build?
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09:28<babilen>RalieghFhang: Okay, then look into different solutions. You might want to evaluate other icecast server that are available in squeeze. You might also like which I find neat, but is not really the same as liquidsoap
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09:29<babilen>xfwfw: No, it is not.
09:29<xfwfw>I need to add -fpermisive I guess
09:29<xfwfw>babilen, maybe it is because of the -b?
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09:29<xfwfw> dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b -a -rfakeroot
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09:30<babilen>xfwfw: I have *no* idea what you are doing
09:31<xfwfw>I am trying to build chromium
09:32<babilen>xfwfw: Chromium is packaged you can just install it with "apt-get install chromium"
09:33<xfwfw>babilen, I am trying to learn how its code work by tweaking it and seeing what happens
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09:33<xfwfw>so I tweaked a few lines
09:33<xfwfw>now I try to compile
09:33<abrotman>but you can't build it?
09:34<xfwfw>at first I tried doing: dpkg-buildpackage
09:34<babilen>xfwfw: You are patching the Debian packages and then try to rebuild it?
09:34<xfwfw>and it told me to do dpkg-source --commit
09:35<xfwfw>which seemed like it want me to commit my nonsense tweaks
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09:36<xfwfw>babilen, I did apt-get source chromium, entered the source tree, changed stuff, and tried dpkg-buildpackage
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09:42<xfwfw>then it wanted me to do:
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09:42<xfwfw>dpkg-source --commit
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09:43<xfwfw>which looked like it want to commit my changes upstream, I stopped when it asked me to save a patch file
09:43<xfwfw>then I read the man page for dpkg-buildpackage, and added -B to only build the binary
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09:44<xfwfw>then it stopped on a type conversion error telling me that I should use -fpermissive
09:44<xfwfw>now I look where I should add that
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09:46<xfwfw>and I ask if there is something to do to bypass all of that problem all together
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10:53<ReAzem>Why does my debian server says jessie on the login screen?
10:53<ReAzem>I just installed using the 7.1.0 iso
10:53<themill>ReAzem: what do you have in your sources.list? What login screen?
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10:54<ReAzem>themill, I have no desktop environement installed, but when I plug a screen there is still a console login screen. Sources.list says stable but one of the scripts that I use for installing could have changed that.
10:55<xfwfw>how to add fpermissive to source package?
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13:53<xuxukinha>hi ppl
13:53<xuxukinha>does any1 knows where can i download fedora game spin dvd? im sorry if im in the wrong room
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13:54<apm1>oh god the irony XDXD
13:54<apm1>xuxukinha, type this without the quotes "/join #fedora"
13:55<xuxukinha>empty :(
13:55<ompaul>try and if not check their website
13:56<apm1>oh i forgot this is not freenode XD
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14:12<krofna_>I am trying to compile a program with -m32 -lgl on amd64 debian (I got mesa-common-dev:i386) but ld complains that it cannot find lgl. What can be the cause?
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14:15<abrotman>krofna_: isn't it libgl-mesa-dev? or someting like that?
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14:18<krofna_>abrotman: Installed libgl1-mesa-dev:i386, same error
14:18<krofna_>abrotman: nevermind, works :D thank you
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14:26<polytropos>has anyone else experienced breakage with the latest debian testing update to the network-manager-gnome and new gnome-bluetooth package?
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14:28<txt-file>polytropos: please use the #debian-next chan for questions about testing
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14:33<Greylocks>just switched from kubuntu running KDE DI and Ubuntu 13.04 (raring) to Debian and noticed that it runs KDE 4.8.4 would there be any harm in upgrading to 4.10? or even 4.11?
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14:35<ompaul>Greylocks: can you fix broken?
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14:35<Greylocks>sometimes depends what breaks lol
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14:36<ompaul>Greylocks: how important is it for the machine to keep running i.e. your personal investment in stability?
14:37<Greylocks>ompaul pretty important I would say
14:37<ompaul>Greylocks: then don't run testing or SID
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14:38<ompaul>Greylocks: so no, don't
14:38<Greylocks>ompaul k thanks
14:39<ompaul>Greylocks: while it might never give you any grief, I did something recently which cost me my kde menus --- I survived I have other tools
14:39<txt-file>and even if … only experimental has a newer kde (4.10) … wheezy, jessie and sid have all 4.8
14:40*ompaul is running 4.10 :)
14:40<Greylocks>ompaul: that was one of my concerns I have no menu bars I mean the text ones
14:40<ompaul>right click on the blue K and choose classic
14:41<ompaul>however if you spend the time with the new version, it works
14:41<Greylocks>umm have no blue K either ompaul
14:41<r0b0w4r>xdcc send 19
14:42<ompaul>Greylocks: you have a kde menu?
14:42<Greylocks>just the three min, max, and close buttons on the right
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14:43<Greylocks>and all desktops and the standard move menu on the left
14:43<ompaul>hou are talking about applications
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14:45<ompaul>I'm talking about the desktop the K menu that starts it all
14:45<ompaul>if it was windows the start button
14:45<Greylocks>the launcher?
14:45<ompaul>missing half it's data was interesting
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15:00<alexis_>Hello everyone, i want to install debian with LMDE as desktop environment. Is there such ISO to download?
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15:02<Guest1641>hello all
15:02<alexis_>otherwise which iso do you recommendme to start with to add lmde to it?
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15:03<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
15:03<mdik>alexis_: do you want to install linux mint debian edition or do you want ot install debian with lxde as desktop environment?
15:03<alexis_>i want a debian with LXDE not LMDE sorry
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15:04<ompaul>alexis_: for debian, download and use the netinstall CD use that to install lxde and do it while the computer is wired and attached to the internet for ease of use
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15:04<alexis_>ompaul: isn't a more complete image to start with? i will have the iso downloaded at a friend's home because my internet is too bad for netinstall
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15:05<Guest1641>on my kvm the lxde installation failed off the wheezy netinstall. No idea why
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15:06<ompaul>alexis_: see the lxde one
15:07<ompaul>alexis_: however running testing requires a good solid connection and updates take place very regularly
15:07<ompaul>alexis_: if your connection is really bad install stable and keep it up to date
15:07<alexis_>thanks ompaul , are those only testing debian versions?
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15:07<ompaul>alexis_: no that is stable
15:07<alexis_>i am here now:
15:07<ompaul>alexis_: why i386?
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15:08<sakax>as he probably has an old pc ?
15:08<ompaul>alexis_: the use of stable is to give you a chance with crappy bandwidth
15:08<alexis_>ompaul: Kernel 3.5.0-17-generic i686 (32 bit) Desktop Xfce 4.10.0 Distro Linux Mint 14 Nadia
15:08<alexis_>that is what inxi says
15:08<Guest1641>less memory consumption on vpn maybe?
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15:08<alexis_>i have a Core2Duo i think that's i386
15:08<ompaul>alexis_: I don't use nor support not can this channel any of that
15:08<ompaul>!base on debian
15:08<ompaul>!based on debian
15:08<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
15:09<ompaul>alexis_: a core duo will run amd64
15:09<alexis_>the distro i use is not important ompaul , the other data is
15:09<alexis_>the kernel says i686
15:09<thatguychuck>I am trying to add dvd playback without using deb-multimedia. I was able to make my own .deb for libdvdcss using checkinstall and did not see errors, but vlc just crashes. I can't seem to find a how to that doesn't use deb-multimedia.
15:09<alexis_>do you think the compatibility with 32bit packages is good ompaul ?
15:09<ompaul>alexis_: why do you need 32bit
15:09<alexis_>i don't know ompaul
15:10<alexis_>do i?
15:10<ompaul>you don't
15:10<alexis_>well in that case i will try it ompaul's way
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15:10<alexis_>what are the iso that have "update" on the name?
15:11<Guest1641>wasn't 32 bit lighter on memory than 64 bit? That's commonly stated on vpn-related fora. Thus I to was planning to go from 64 bit to 32 bit.
15:12<alexis_>ompaul: i have 2gb of ram will it be enough for a 64 bit system?
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15:14<chealer>alexis_: they're media to update from 7.0 to 7.1
15:14<alexis_>chealer: what does it means?
15:14<alexis_>update what
15:14<ompaul>chealer: take the one I pointed at and start - just start - stop thinking do
15:15<ompaul>woops :)
15:15<ompaul>alexis_: that's for you :)
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15:15<ompaul>alexis_: just grab the CD it will do you
15:15<Guest1641>alexis: from what I understand (but I'm a newbee): 64 bit will run faster (duh) yet all pointers (and connections etc) take up twice as much space. Hence, sacrificing speed for memory on lower-ram vpn's is commonly stated to be a better choice. But I do wonder what the guru's around here think of it in relation to debian
15:15<ompaul>alexis_: don't follow random guides do it the way debian suggests and you'll be in a good place :)
15:16<chealer>alexis_: update a Debian 7.0 install
15:16<alexis_>why do you recommend that?
15:16<ompaul>chealer: you can download a 7.1 disk
15:16<ompaul>so that is the better way
15:17<alexis_>thanks for your help
15:17<alexis_>i am sure we will meet again soon :P
15:17<chealer>ompaul: I was answer the question from alexis_
15:18<alexis_>goodbye all
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15:20<Guest1641>Guy's I'm having problems with mouse (gpm) in terminal. It looks to me there is some kind of accelleration, but have no idea how to turn it off and don't understand 'delta'. I've been searching for a solution for 2 day's now.
15:20<Guest1641>I connect via vnc by the way.
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15:22<Guest1641>could anyone please point me into the right direction? (for example an explenation about that misterious delta setting?)
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15:25<Guest1641>maybe there is some gpm irc channel that could help me?
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15:35<XAVeRY>is there some kind of facility that can be used to detect what kind of a network I'm on?
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15:35<XAVeRY>what I'm searching for is something like "if you're on network X (identified by IPs/MACs of some hosts), do Y".
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15:35<XAVeRY>since I don't really want to put all my NFS mounts in /etc/fstab, I'd rather they were mounted only if I'm on the proper network.
15:35<sorokya>hello, anyone familiar with the PowerA micro 360 controller?
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15:37<Guest1641>anyone know how to get the mouse to work in debian?
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15:38<Guest1641>Is there any mouse-manual for wheezy?
15:39<Guest1641>I followed countless tutorials, and just as many re-installs. Nothing works
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15:40<sorokya>Guest1641: what kind of mouse is it?
15:40<DennisTheTiger>Guest1273: Normally you just plug it in and it Just Works. Can we get some specifics?
15:40<Guest1641>yes: qemu vnc interface (tried all differend viewers and some versions I could find).
15:40<sorokya>Guest1641: check what dmesg says when you plug it in.
15:40<Guest1641>I installed: apt-get install gpm
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15:41<Guest1641>Have no physical mouse on the machine.
15:41<Guest1641>The machine is a vpn, controlled as kvm
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15:42<Guest1641>It seems to me the mouseaccelleration is the problem.
15:43<Guest1641>when I move my mouse in any direction, the terminal-cursor-block thing just moves way faster.
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15:44<Guest1641>so the problem is, when the pointer in the terminal is more to the right of my actual mouse, and I move my actual mouse to the left, untill I actually leave the terminal screen, the mouse-cursor in the terminal is no way near the edge.
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15:45<sorokya>I'm trying to get a 3rd party usb controller working
15:45<Guest1641>then I must circle around the vnc-window, enter the window from a different angle and all kind of @#$%^&
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15:46<DennisTheTiger>Guest1273: That doesn't really sound like a mouse problem, if I think of it. Does the mouse function normally if you try directly on that console?
15:46<sorokya>I'm thinking I might need to install xpad360, but I can't find it anywhere
15:46<Guest1641>Or I must move my mouse fast to de direction I want to go, slow in the opposite direction, and again in the direction I want to go.
15:46<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: We're going to need some more specifics.
15:47<Guest1641>DennisTheTiger: the server is a vpn, I don't have physical access.
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15:47<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: I have a dmesg log for the usb device, and I can upload my lsusb output.
15:48<Guest1641>But I did try: ultravnc, tightvnc, realvnc (and different versions of each).
15:48<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: Pastebin it. Also mention what you are trying to install.
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15:49<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: It's a powerA usb xbox360 controller
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15:51<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: Still need some details to work with. What version of Linux? Have you tried installing xpad360 or anything else? What has your google-fu revealed to you?
15:52<DennisTheTiger>(All we have is that you plugged in this controller, it is seen by lsusb and the system, and by best guess, it is still unusable.
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15:53<DennisTheTiger>Guest1273: Based on the information presented, it pretty well sounds like a network latency issue at this point. Have you checked with the operator of the server?
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15:54<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: Vaguely important, what version of Debian are you using?
15:54<Guest1641>DennisTheTiger: No, it's no latency problem, I'm sure.
15:54<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: sorry was afk, I'm running debian-jessie amd64. I can't find a tar for xpad360 online anywhere.
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15:55<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: How about with anyone else who has had issues with this or success in installation? (I'm presuming that you've found the pointers to xpad360 this way....)
15:55<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: I tried install joystick, and rebooted, re-plugged. A lot of people appear to have a /dev/input/js0, but I do not when it's plugged in
15:56<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: I can't find anyone using the same model controller, I do want to try xpad360 though. I just can't find it anywhere.
15:57<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: ...only thing I get for 'apt-cache search xpad' is a sticky note program. I have a suspicion that this would be a wee bit useless. =D
15:57<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: yeah, I accidentally installed said sticky note program haha
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15:58<DennisTheTiger>Guest1641: still, I would suggest checking with the operator of the VPN if you have not yet done so.
15:58<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: Good news is 'apt-get remove xpad' if you don't need that. =D
15:59<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: I emailed the manufacturer of the controller, says average reply time is 24-48 hours. Dunno if they'll be of much help though. On my windows machine it was just Plugin-In, it installed some generic controller driver, and worked.
15:59<Guest1641>DennisTheTiger: if I now start xfce (for example) inside the same running vnc-session, then the mouse works normally.
15:59<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: I have a feeling xpad360 might work though
15:59<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: lemme look at something...
16:00<Guest1641>I know there is an accelleration setting in gpm but I don't understand it (or it's relation to 'delta') And I just cant find any explenation on what 'delta' is.. I really searched high and low.
16:00<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: Have you looked at xboxdrv? It's right there in the repos, it looks like.
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16:00<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: yeah, it returns "No Xbox or Xbox360 controller found"
16:02<Guest1641>maybe there is an alternative (that works) to gpm. What A nightmare to get mouse working in CLI
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16:03<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: Just reading the description, it looks to supplant xpad360 as well.
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16:05<Guest1641>yet.. when I google: `debian|wheezy|linux terminal|cli mouse` I only find references to gpm.
16:05<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: xboxdrv --help-devices doesn't list the model I have :\
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16:05<DennisTheTiger>sorokya: I seem to have nothing, then. Sorry. You may want to try later, or try a post on the mailing list/forums if that fails.
16:06<abrotman>Guest1641: that's correct, what's wrong with that?
16:06<sorokya>DennisTheTiger: I'm going to try to find the tarball for xpad360
16:06<abrotman>and gpm isn't hard
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16:10<Guest1641>abrotman: well, I cant get it to work
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16:11<abrotman>okay, going to share details?
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16:11<Guest1641>abrotman: I've tried every tutorial I could find (and reinstalled the debian over 40 times now).
16:12<Guest1641>I think my problem is mouseaccelleration, but I can not find any tutorial how to disable that accelleration.
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16:14<abrotman>is there an error when you start it?
16:14<Guest1641>gpm starts automatically on reboot
16:15<abrotman>did you check the logs, or try restarting to look for errors
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16:17<gregor__>Hello, i got a nvdia card and want it to work with bumblebee... bumblebee-nvidia wont install
16:17<Guest1641>please point me to the logs gpm in wheezy? (Note that the gmp works basically, but is unusable to me).
16:17<gregor__>i tried to enable sid, but this also dont help
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16:19<Guest1641>at this point I'm so desperate I'd PAY for a working solution.
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16:22<abrotman>Guest1641: did you check the man page for options?
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16:23<abrotman>so you increased verbosity? used Debug mode?
16:23<Guest1641>a refers to d (for delta), but does not explain delta, nor the range for a, d or r
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16:24<Guest1641>and I truly googled high and low to find ANY information on how to disable mouse-accelleration.
16:25<Guest1641>and what boggles me the most, is that the mouse works correctly If I would now start a desktop.
16:25<Guest1641>In the SAME vnc-session
16:25<abrotman>vnc? console?
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16:26<Guest1641>I connect to the vps via KVM (it uses vnc).
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16:27<Guest1641>when I connect, I get the blinking _ prompt asking for my username/password. I'd consider that the bare CLI (So no desktop, and no 'terminal window' inside a desktop.
16:28<SynrG>wow, gpm? i haven't used that in a decade or so
16:28<abrotman>SynrG: i know, right ...
16:28<SynrG>personally, to get around on a console and cut-and-paste (which is all i ever used gpm for) i just run screen
16:28<Guest1641>SynrG: then please.. tell me, how do you get the mouse to work in the CLI?
16:29<SynrG>then use meta-[ and arrows and select and press enter
16:29<SynrG>then meta-] to paste
16:29<Guest1641>Every tutorial I kan find when I google terminal and mouse, says to use gpm
16:29<SynrG>^^ that's what i do. i just don't use mouse
16:29<Guest1641>but what about all the menu's?
16:29<Guest1641>and pulldown menu's
16:29<SynrG>what menus? in console?
16:29<abrotman>menus ?
16:29<abrotman>in what?
16:30<SynrG>i have none
16:30<SynrG>nothing that isn't keystroke-accessible ...
16:30<SynrG>(e.g. links2)
16:30<Guest1641>I just replaced everything with graphical console applications
16:30<abrotman>such as?
16:30<Guest1641>file-manager: mc, editor included
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16:30<Guest1641>top for htop
16:30<Guest1641>works without gpm via ssh
16:30<Guest1641>mcedit ofcourse
16:30<SynrG>there isn't a terminal-based app i know of that *relies* on mouse for menu access
16:31<SynrG>they all have key bindings
16:31<Guest1641>yes, but I just want to use the mouse
16:31<SynrG>much more efficient than a rat
16:31<SynrG>well, good luck. i *used* to know how to use gpm ...
16:31<SynrG>but as i said, haven't used in a decade
16:31<Guest1641>would be very stupid one would need a full-blown desktop just to use the mouse.....
16:31<SynrG>so anything i know from 10 years old, if not forgotten, is now irrelevant
16:32<SynrG>as the kernel input has been given an overhaul since then
16:32<Guest1641>so.. how did you disable accelleration back then?
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16:32<abrotman>SynrG: i don't think gpm has changed since then :)
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16:32<Guest1641>aparently gpm2 is on it's way...
16:33<abrotman>sure it is :)
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16:34<SynrG>abrotman: that's probably the problem
16:34<SynrG>anyway, gotta scoot. bus. later
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16:35<Guest1641>so... this means... lesson one: dos works, linux still doesn't???
16:35<abrotman>or PEBCAK
16:36<abrotman>you haven't shown us any errors or configuration files .. nor that you've read the man page and what different options you've tried
16:36<Guest1641>well, nobody here seems to know how to disable accelleration OR what 'delta' means....
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16:36<abrotman>i'm still waiting for some config files
16:37<Guest1641>coming up now.
16:37<abrotman>or some vague indication that you even halfway understand what you're doing
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16:38<abrotman>also note, there's a small #gpm on if you think we're unable to help you
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16:40<ardex>Gesellschaft fuer ProjektManagement [e.v.] (org.)
16:41<abrotman>ardex: english please
16:41<ardex>from VERA for gpm
16:42*abrotman blinks
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16:42*ardex :)
16:43<Guest1641>@abrotman (don't know how to copy/paste in CLI), so I've typed the config over to notepad, and now type it in irssi.
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16:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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16:43<abrotman>Guest1641: use a pastebin, not the channel
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16:45<ardex>irc is older than IM
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16:49<abrotman>Guest1641: use
16:49<Guest1641>I got: Cannot send to channel
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16:49<abrotman>yes, we know
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16:50<Guest1641>let's try again:
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16:50<Guest1641>(that is back to default), just as apt-get installs it.
16:51<abrotman>are you sure it's exps2?
16:51<abrotman>and does /dev/input/mice exist?
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16:53<Guest1641>will check it
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16:57<Guest1641>abrotman: yes, /dev/inut/mice exists, I'm sure it's `exps2`
16:58<abrotman>did you try another type ?
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16:59<Guest1641>abrotman: another type like..?
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17:02<Guest1641>I just reread the man gpm (again). Like stated: there is no talk about the config-file, no explenation about it, not even it's location. I had to find that via forums online.
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17:03<Guest1641>there are no suggestions instead of exps2 (nor what it means).
17:03<idlecore>Hi there.
17:03<idlecore>I'm having this problem:
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17:04<idlecore>Does anyone know any workarounds yet?
17:04<stefct>idlecore: two other people have reported similar problems in #debian-next
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17:05<idlecore>Sorry, I didn't realize there was a channel for testing. I'll ask there. Thanks.
17:05<Guest1641>about delta: the man-page ONLY states: -d delta Set the delta value. When a single motion event is longer than delta, accel is used as a multiplying factor. (Must be 2 or above).
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17:06<Guest1641>That is it. So how would RTFM help? I truly googled high and low to get mouse to work in CLI
17:06<ardex>are you using a console or VT?
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17:08<Guest1641>I login via a kvm vnc connection to the bare CLI on the vpn. And without restarting the vnc-viewer (any brand) and starting (for example xfce4 desktop) the mouse works fine (as it did without gpm).
17:09<Guest1641>yet in the 'bare' CLI, I get something that looks like mouse-accelleration.
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17:10<Guest1641>And when my mouse leaves the vnc-window then the 'cursor' in the 'CLI' stops moving, logically.
17:11<Guest1641>So, basically the mouse just jumps around and I have to move in and out the vnc window, or eradically move the mouse. It is not a lagproblem.
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17:11<ardex>not exactly sure, but sounds similar to terminal differences compared to a console. Might want to search the history of consoles and terminals.
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17:19<Guest1641>well, without gpm and a plain ssh connection, and the programs work perfectly, no problems.
17:19<ardex>gpm is a package for debian. General Purpose Mouse Interface.
17:19<Guest1641>But.. I have to pay for ssh access, yet pumping a 2 mbit vnc connection is free...
17:19<Guest1641>so, that's a quick choice.. use the free kvm.
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17:22<andrez>Hi, is "aptitude upgrade" same thing as a "Windows update"? in other words it's recommended to do? I want my system up to date. Scenario is that I've bought a VPS and I want the latest updates/patches
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17:27<Nik05>andrez windows?
17:27<andrez>Nik05: ofc i'm running Debian (6)
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17:27<Nik05>run apt-get or aptitude update
17:27<Nik05>after that an upgrade
17:27<Guest1641>abrotman: where can I find alternatives to try instead of exps2 ? And is there some kind of usefull manual for gpm, something that explains this 'delta' or 'accelleration'? You talk about pebkac but I don't see anyone saying anything about 'delta', 'accelleration', etc.
17:28<abrotman>Guest1641: the man page tells you
17:28<nomada>What's the recommended size for /boot in a LVM installation of Debian Wheezy?
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17:38<DennisTheTiger>nomada: I just did 4.5 GB, and it takes up maybe 300-400 MB. 1 GB should be plenty.
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17:44<Guest1656>abrotman: I searched the gpm manual for: append, sample_rate, repeat_type, gpm.conf.... All yield no results.
17:45<Guest1656>I tried (after a lot of fiddling with the mouse) clicking 'gpm-types(7)', but that does not work (I think the man-interface (or is it 'less')) does not support mouse.
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17:46<Guest1656>I tried: man gpm-types(7) instead, but I get error file not found.
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17:47<Guest1656>still.. how is that man-page helpfull??? It just doesn't talk about the config-file.
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17:55<nodiscc>How do I download a binary package from debian's NEW queue?
17:55<nodiscc>This is the one I need
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18:03<Guest1656>does anyone know how to disable mouseaccelleration in gpm?
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18:05<stderr_dk>Guest1656: Have you read the man page?
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18:06<stderr_dk>nodiscc: might be what you're looking for.
18:07<nodiscc>stderr_dk: thanks, but it looks like the package i'm looking for is not in there
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18:08<nodiscc>i've followed the ITP/sponsorship discussion about that packages and they managed to upload it to debian
18:08<stderr_dk>I guess you're right.
18:08<nodiscc>I see it's in NEW, but no way to find the compiled deb package
18:09<nodiscc>I see it's a big piece of software with many build dependencies, If I could save the assle of building it myself...
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18:12<Guest1656>stderr_dk, I have read te manpage countless times, I promise.
18:12<stderr_dk>Guest1656: If the man-pages doesn't say how to turn it off, maybe you can't?
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18:14<nomada>DennisTheTiger thanks! I made it with 300 MB...
18:14<Guest1656>the man-page says: -a accel Set the acceleration value used when a single motion event is longer than delta (see -d)
18:14<nomada>I guess I wont need too much
18:14<Guest1656>-d delta Set the delta value. When a single motion event is longer than delta, accel is used as amultiplying factor. (must be 2 or above).
18:15<stderr_dk>Have you tried "-a 0"?
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18:16<stderr_dk>Or "-a 1"?
18:16<Guest1656>where can I enter this? The man-page does not talk about the config-file at all, yet I read online (on debian related pages) that this file is required.
18:17<Guest1656>And it is on my system:
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18:18<Guest1656>maybe in `append=''` so: `append=-'a 1'` ?
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18:20<stderr_dk>append="-a 1" would be a better guess, I think.
18:20<stderr_dk>man gpm.conf
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18:21<Guest1656>stderr_dk, would you happen to know how to restart gpm (without reboting the system)? I'll go try/check those suggestions now!
18:21<stderr_dk>Like any other service: /etc/init.d/gpm restart
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18:22<Guest1656>stderr_dk: thx for that command, I've added it to my 'docs'. I'll try both suggestions now!
18:23<stderr_dk>No problem.
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18:26<greg>I successfully installed Linux Mint 15 "Olivia" but it was too much for my old pc, so I installed Lubuntu. I can get it to work, but it's a bit of a hassle at startup. I'm trying to make a boot stick for the Xfce release of Mint, but I don't understand how to do it. I've tried to use unetbootin and pendrive Linux and at one point got a test version of Mint up and running but it continually fails to install. How can I move forward?
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18:26<stderr_dk>greg: You could install the real thing: Debian.
18:26<greg>I can't figure out how to make a boot stick in Lubuntu....
18:27<greg>in MInt it was as simple as a right click...
18:27<musca>greg: You happen to have reached the Debian support channel. Anything else is offtopic here.
18:28<greg>where would be an appropriate place to ask this question?
18:28<greg>I'm a total noob
18:28<TCW>greg, use debian and *every* desktop environment that fits your desktop. That "for every desktop environment per CD" bullshit is just nonsense.
18:28<stderr_dk>!usb install
18:28<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
18:28<Guest1656>stderr_dk, yes, man gpm.conf is there! I'll read it twice, examine the further hints and try to append your command. These are (to me) the most useful suggestions so far!!!
18:30<musca>greg: or try debian :)
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19:05<wdoodle>Wow, grub has changed somewhat since I last tried to customize anything. From what I can understand, password and serial console commands no longer go in /boot/grub/menu.lst, but in /etc/grub/00_somethingorother and in /etc/default/grub. Have I understood correctly?
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19:32<dude_>stderr_dk: thanks again for the helpful nudges in the right direction.
19:32<dude_>besides man gpm.conf I also read man gpm-types
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19:34<dude_>it does not list type: exps2 (as abrotman) mentioned, however it was per default in my /etc/gpd.conf file and is mentioned on
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19:35<dude_>I toyed with the -a switch, indeed setting it to 0 gives an error on restart.
19:36<dude_>yet setting -a to 1 (or higher) did not disable the accelleration effect, but DID drastically influence it.
19:36<dude_>I now also know that -r has a range of 0 to 100 %, and defaults to 10.
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19:37<dude_>but I don't know the -d delta. I have no clue what it is. I only know -a relates to -d
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19:38<dude_>whilst it is clear the man-pages for gpm and gpm-types might need some TLC,
19:38<dude_>i'm still kind of in the blind about this 'delta'.
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19:39<dude_>toying with values and restarting gpm has now delivered the values of -a 1, -d 4, r 8, seem to give a reasonable working situation.
19:40<dude_>at least, gives some predictable results, but why...?
19:41<dude_>isn't there any proper tutorial or resource that would explain a little more about gpm, especially the 'delta' setting?
19:41<stderr_dk>Yeah, it is a bit unclear if "When a single motion event is longer than delta" means longer than "some time" or "some distance".
19:42<stderr_dk>And if it is "time" is it then seconds, milliseconds, nanoseconds or something else?
19:42<dude_>yes, indeed
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19:45<dude_>I'm also in the blind about the max val for a and d
19:46<dude_>from testing I know a must be >=1 and d >=2
19:46<dude_>without setting r and d, but setting a to 5 was also somewhat usable.
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19:47<dude_>with a sort fast mouse-movement, I could 'throw' the mouse on the console in the right direction, then move slower for fine-controll.
19:47<stderr_dk>-d is how soon you want the acceleration to kick in. You don't want it to have any effect on short mouse movements. (I still don't know if short is time-wise or distance-wise.)
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19:48<dude_>i'll ctrl-z irc and test a much higher d now
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19:48<stderr_dk>Hmm, maybe -d 1000000000 (or another large number), would keep accel off all the time?
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19:51<stderr_dk>dude_: According to "There is the irc channel #gpm on"
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19:52<stderr_dk>With 4 people... :-/
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19:53<Grape>I've just upgraded a server from debian 6 to 7 + updated the kernel.. Now it hangs on "cleaning up temporary files" when booting. Anyone know what to do about that? Is it normal that it
19:53<Grape>should hang for.. I dont know over 20 minutes?
19:53<stderr_dk>That does seem a bit high...
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19:54<stderr_dk>Grape: Do you have a lot of stuff in /tmp?
19:55<Grape>No not really.. I've tried deleting a lot of stuff from /tmp.. Didnt seem to help
19:55<stderr_dk>In /etc/default/rcS you could try setting TMPTIME=infinite to disable the clean-up of /tmp. Just to see if that really is where it hangs.
19:55<stderr_dk>Maybe set VERBOSE=yes in the same file, if that makes any difference.
19:56<Grape>Ok I'll try that out :)
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19:57<Jokotai>maybe similar problem... Debian XFCE testing is hanging at login. I'm not exactly experienced, but this is my xsession-errors:
19:58<Jokotai>Sorry, I should say that xsession is what's hanging after doing an upgrade
20:01<stderr_dk>Jokotai: I would probably start by moving .config and .cache to e.g. .config.BACKUP and .cache.BACKUP to see if that helps. You can always move them back later.
20:02<dude_>stderr_dk: i've tried -d 40 and -d 10. It does have some effect, but -a seems to be more related to the actual acceleration (now, back at -a 1), I've left -d 10, since now the mouse is horizontally almost in sync, but vertical is still off.
20:02<Grape>thanks stderr_dk it booted without problems after setting tmptime=infinte -- does the script only take a look in /tmp or is there any other places that should be cleared out?
20:03<Jokotai>ok, I'll try that and reboot (thank goodness for multi-boots)
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20:08<stderr_dk>dude_: Yes, -d is when to start the aceleration and then, after that, -a is how fast you want it to accelerate.
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20:09<stderr_dk>Grape: To be honest, I can't remember if it cleans /var/tmp too. And I can't remember what script does the actual cleaning, so I can't check. :-/
20:10<Grape>found a whole lotta data in /tmp that shouldnt be there.. What I've read it only clean /tmp and /var/tmp isnt cleaned..
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20:11<xfwfw>anyone know dpkg-buildpackage?
20:11<xfwfw><xantiol> I use it with -nc, and I changed a file, and it doesn't seem to recompile it
20:11<stderr_dk>Grape: /etc/init.d/
20:12<stderr_dk>"Clean /tmp, /lib/init/rw, /run and /run/lock."
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20:12<stderr_dk>Grape: With /lib/init/ doing the actual cleaning.
20:15<dude_>stderr_dk, thank you VERY much for your useful help so far! I'm not giving up, but need to go to sleep. I'll try to contact the autor of gmp (and gmp2) for some clarification on delta (time vs distance). I think that 'll be the best course of action, given the in-accuracy and in-completeness of the related manpages of debian's gpm implementation.
20:15<Grape>Ok :) Thanks for the help stderr_dk. I found out it was all my data in /tmp that caused the long clean time.. I've moved that now and now it boots like normal.
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20:16<dude_>so, good night/day to all, I'll report back!
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20:17<Jokotai>stderr_dk, it didn't work. Though, this is now at the end of my .xsession-errors: ** Message: PID 4286 (we are 4286) sent signal 15, shutting down...
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20:19<Jokotai>complete .xsession-errors:
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20:20<Jokotai>Wait... going to try it again
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20:28<Jokotai>no joy
20:29<stderr_dk>Let's see the new log.
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20:30<stderr_dk>BTW: is your friend...
20:31<Jokotai>ah, okay, I'll use that in the future
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20:32<xfwfw>anyone know if it is possible to build incrementally?
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20:33<stderr_dk>Build what incrementally?
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20:34<stderr_dk>Jokotai: I'm sorry, but I don't really have any good ideas right now.
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20:35<Jokotai>Maybe this is a good time to try Arch :P
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20:36<Jokotai>What gets me is that this appears to have something to do with bluetooth support, which my laptop doesn't have.
20:36<xfwfw>stderr_dk, chromium
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20:37<xfwfw>stderr_dk, I changed one file, and it recompiel the whole thing
20:37<xfwfw>a few hours it takes
20:37*xfwfw must wait
20:37<xfwfw>waiting sucks
20:37<LtL>xfwfw: please don't crosspost its get confusing using different nicks
20:38<xfwfw>LtL, no one answers anywhere.
20:38<stderr_dk>Depending on what kind of file you changed, there might be a reason for a complete recompile.
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20:38<xfwfw>LtL everyone sleeps
20:38<stderr_dk>But yeah, recompiling sucks...
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20:39<xfwfw>stderr_dk, the reason is dpkg-buildpackage
20:39<xfwfw>stderr_dk, chromium people said the recompilation will be fast
20:39<stderr_dk>On the other hand, if it takes a couple of hours to recompile, you're a lot more careful about what you write... :-)
20:39<xfwfw>but I didnt' use their soruce, but debian's
20:40<xfwfw>stderr_dk, you obviously don't know much about debuging
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20:40<xfwfw>sorry, I am too upset
20:40<stderr_dk>xfwfw: Oh, ok...
20:41<stderr_dk>It sounds like you're doing printf-debug'ing...
20:41<Jokotai>stderr_dk, thanks for trying
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20:41<Jokotai>I appreciate it.
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20:41<xfwfw>I am going to try use chromium version of the source
20:41<xfwfw>at least that one won't have to recompile for hours
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20:42<xfwfw>thought it is 2.2GB large
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21:55<SARC>what is the proper way to find out if a particular packages supports multiarch?
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22:05<SamB>apt-cache show foo
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22:07<SamB>SARC: that was for you btw
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22:39<xadillax>hello i have a problem with running java program
22:40<xadillax>Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException: Unable to detect graphics environment
22:40<xadillax>who knows it?
22:40<xadillax>i'm using fluxbox
22:41<SamB>xadillax: maybe you didn't install enough Java
22:42<xadillax>what meaning?
22:42<xadillax>emmm.. i've installed the openjdk
22:42<SamB>which package exactly?
22:42<xadillax>and i can run that program before
22:43<SamB>have you tried restarting your X session?
22:44<xadillax>openjdk-6-jre-headless openjdk-6-jre-lib openjdk-7-jre openjdk-7-jre-headless openjdk-7-jre-lib
22:44<xadillax>that's all
22:45<Nemoder>java -version
22:45<xadillax>java version "1.6.0_27"
22:45<xadillax>OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.12.5) (6b27-1.12.5-1)
22:45<xadillax>OpenJDK Client VM (build 20.0-b12, mixed mode, sharing)
22:45<SamB>hhmm, looks like the -headless-only one
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22:47<Nemoder>update-alternatives --config java
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22:47<xadillax>that means i have no openjdk-6-jre but have openjdk-7-jre?
22:48<xadillax>and the version is not 7?
22:48<xadillax>how do i switch it to 7?
22:49<xadillax>There are 2 choices for the alternative java (providing /usr/bin/java).
22:49<xadillax>Selection Path Priority Status
22:49<xadillax>* 0 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/java 1061 auto mode 1 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/java 1061 manual mode 2 /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/java 1051 manual mode
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22:50<SamB>pick 2
22:50<SamB>oh, gone
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22:50<SamB>I assume you've been lectured about pasting?
22:50<SamB>anyway, pick 2
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22:51<SamB>aren't you at a prompt from update-alternatives?
22:53<xadillax>ok, the problem is solved
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