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---Logopened Mon Jul 01 00:00:46 2013
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00:13<Jokotai>okay, so the testing blank wallpaper issue is a fault in gnome-bluetooth
00:14<Jokotai>trying to find the bug number
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00:20<jack>my resolution set to low .... please help
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00:25<k-man>every day i get an email from cron about how apt-cacher-ng had some errors:
00:25<k-man>i can't work out what exactly is causing the error and how i might prevent it from happening
00:25<k-man>any ideas?
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00:35<overo_>k-man: well... what does it say in those logs?
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00:36<naedirique>hi there
00:36<naedirique>I'm having troubles with gnome shell
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00:36<naedirique>running jessie
00:37<naedirique>when I log in I get no "top bar", no window decorations, no "alt-tab" nor "alt-f4" working
00:37<k-man>overo, well, stupidly i just did the manual expiration and it deleted all those log files
00:38<k-man>overo, i did look in them the other day and i could only see some vague references to some links that returned 404
00:38<k-man>i'll just wait a few days and see if the error happens again
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00:39<Jokotai>naedirique: I just had the same problem, fixed it by editing panel.js
00:39<Jokotai>let me find the bug link..
00:39<naedirique>hmmm... where's panel.js? :P
00:39<naedirique>Jokotai: thx btw ;)
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00:40<Jokotai>message #28 has the details on the fix that worked for me
00:40<Jokotai>commengint out the "if (Config.HAVE BLUETOOTH)" stanza in js/ui/panel.js
00:40<k-man>overo, thanks anyway
00:42<Jokotai>hopefully when gnome-shell 3.4.2-9 shows up it'll fix it.
00:43<naedirique>Jokotai, thanka a million!, but
00:43<naedirique>where so I find panel.js? (sory, I'm a total n00b)
00:43<Jokotai>so am I :P I actually dropped by again after trying to get some help on this
00:45<Jokotai>"//" is comment character for js. You need to comment the line with if (Config.HAVE_BLUETOOTH) and the line directly below it, but save a copy of panel.js as a backup before hand.
00:46<naedirique>;) done
00:46<naedirique>be back in a jiffie
00:46<Jokotai>k, I'll hang out
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00:47<naedirique>Jokotai, great!
00:47<Jokotai>naedirique: awesome
00:47<naedirique>but my desktop thingies are all messed up
00:48<Jokotai>Didn't have the same problem, but I'm using XFCE
00:48<naedirique>you had the same problem with xfce?
00:48<Jokotai>similar, yes. XFCE has gnome dependencies
00:48<naedirique>I though that file was gnome only or something
00:48<naedirique>oh, I see
00:49<Jokotai>so when they pushed gnome-bluetooth it hosed me, too
00:49<naedirique>well, now that I'm here I may as well ask about something else that has been bothering
00:50<naedirique>"Getting your desktop messed up by an communication protocol is not normal, but on Bluetooth it is. Bluetooth: not even once" :P
00:50<naedirique>*an --> a
00:50<Jokotai>:shrug: I don't have enough Linux-fu.
00:51<Jokotai>I don't even know how to apply patches like they were talking about in the bug thread
00:51<naedirique>so, this other thing that's driving me insane:
00:51<naedirique>my mouse wheel is acting up
00:51<naedirique>there's a patch incantation that does the magic
00:51<naedirique>the real issue is looking up the file that needs patching, and usually, recompiling the patched file
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00:52<Jokotai>hrm... mouse wheel could be a few things.
00:52<naedirique>the thing is
00:52<naedirique>I tried to be all cool and shit
00:52<naedirique>and tried to invert the mouse wheel direction
00:53<naedirique>by messing with the button mappings or whatnot
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00:53<Jokotai>so maybe you just need go find a default version of the config file and replace it?
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00:54<naedirique>and now my mouse wheel either doesn't work at all, or it sometimes works (for a very ahort period, like half a second) in one direction or the other
00:54<naedirique>yeo, the ting is
00:54<naedirique>the thing is
00:54<naedirique>I'm not really sure, but I could swear that it already did the same without the modification
00:55<Jokotai>Have you tested the mouse on another computer, or used a different mouse on your computer?
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00:55<naedirique>no, and no
00:56<naedirique>don't have either at hand :S
00:56<naedirique>here's what I did:
00:57<naedirique>I just cut&pasted the line there
00:57<naedirique>so I'm thinking: maybe my mouse doesn't have 8 buttons to report
00:57<naedirique>maybe it could be that?
00:57<naedirique>I'm just scared of getting my system fubar
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01:00<Jokotai>there you are... I have no idea what that line does, but I'd just remove it and see if that fixes things
01:01<naedirique>just did
01:01<naedirique>same story
01:01<Jokotai>Gotta rule out the hardware first
01:02<naedirique>hmmm, was afraid you'd say that :(
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01:03<naedirique>Jokotai, well, as soon as I can get my hands on another mouse / computer I'll try to rule HW out
01:03<Jokotai>good luck.
01:03<naedirique>Jokotai, thank a MILLION for the gnome fix ;)
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01:56<xadillax>does anyone use webstorm?
02:00<xadillax>anyone here?
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03:56<spoown>Hello to all , Can someone help me on this problem ? I had fluxbox installed in german [ I think ] , the date and so on... and now sometime some applications are also installed in german , I cannot find how to change that ? A flag in X11?
03:57<cae>spoown: usually environment variables do this, e.g. $LANG and $LC_*
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04:00<spoown>cae, my LANG is well set to : LANG=en_US.UTF-8, but other var in locale look weird I think... I got some de_BE in other LC_ [ I m from belgium ... ]
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04:11<spoown>any other idea ?
04:13<sladjan>Hi, I have a Debian VM under Windows, and Windows users local time by default. Now the Debian VM still seems to have correct time, is this handled automatically? I ask, because it is set to use UTC in '/etc/adjtime'.
04:16<Stummi>spoown, dpkg-reconfigure locales
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04:22<debporter88>II hae a usb hub connected yo my laptop to which i have a ligitech clear char usb head set conneted and when i mute the sound on the maiin snd card i get nothing through the headset
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04:24<spoown>Stummi, thanks will try, and also with localectl, reset all to EN
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04:47<milk_>why does Debian7 no longer stream over smb?
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04:51<slush>milk_: define 'stream'
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04:53<milk_>well when i mount an smb drive and double click a mp3 it no longer plays, it did in debian6
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04:57<Stummi>milk_, which DE?
04:58<Stummi>does it work if you play the mp3 on the mounted smb with something like mplayer from terminal?
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05:12<milk_>so its just incompetance that you broke the debian we built?
05:14<milk_>looks like i'll have to buy a copy of win8
05:14<Apollo>milk_: go troll elsewhere
05:14<milk_>oh you dont care?
05:14<Apollo>No, I don't
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05:15<Apollo>this went easier than expected
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05:18<snogglethorpe>btw, does smb still suck these days?
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05:21<Zaba>well, smb2 is better, not sure how well samba supports it though
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05:24<Stummi>we are using smb2 here without problems
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05:25<Stummi>(since we have a mixed "windows, OSX, debian, other linux-distris"-network
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05:34<milk_>ok i solved the problem
05:34<milk_>im switching to slackware
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05:36<snogglethorpe>geez, trolls just aren't the same these dasy...
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06:42<ixi>is it safe to ctrl-c an ongoing dist-upgrade and resuming it later ?
06:43<babilen>only during the download phase
06:43<babilen>well, and anything before
06:43<daemonkeeper>Still save in others.
06:43<daemonkeeper>dpkg --configure -a should fix everything(tm).
06:43<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, daemonkeeper
06:43<ixi>Unpacking replacement util-linux ...
06:44<ixi>current stage
06:44<babilen>It's typically not a massive problem if you do it afterwards but it *does* have an effect .. You could try to continue with, say, "dpkg --configure -a"
06:44<ixi>I'll try :P
06:44<musca>nice answer from dpkg in this context :)
06:44<babilen>(that fill configure all packages that need to be configured)
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06:44<daemonkeeper>That being said you probably asked the wrong question.
06:44<daemonkeeper>What are you trying to do?
06:45<babilen>.oO( break the box )
06:45<ixi>restart a dist-upgrade inside tmux
06:45<daemonkeeper>I knew you'd say that.
06:45<daemonkeeper>You can hijack running ptys without restarting a procss.
06:46<ixi>tell me how
06:46<ixi>not much battery left so
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06:47<daemonkeeper>retty amongst others
06:47<daemonkeeper>Or reptyr
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06:58<TobiX>daemonkeeper: Those sound evil ;)
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07:07<daemonkeeper>TobiX: Prolly because the usual use case isn't for good :p
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07:28<jMCg>Hello happy people!
07:28<jMCg>I'm trying to oh.
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07:29<babilen>"oh" ?
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07:31<jMCg>daemonkeeper: I was gonna ask: What do I need to put into a package to hint that package A really provides B, so much it "replaces" it. provides was not enough, I just figured that maybe I should try "replaces"
07:32<daemonkeeper>also: #debian-mentors :)
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08:04<frank_>who is kenya
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08:23<imdea>Hello.. I'm having problems during an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy in a server. Basically, it gets stuck when trying to setup "lvm2" package. I've checked the postint script and it is not very complicated, but it executes 'vgcfgbackup' and when this is executed for some reason it gets stuck. Any ideas?
08:24<SynrG>when you say 'stuck', please describe more precisely. paste the messages preceding where it gets stuck at
08:24<SynrG>i have no idea what vgcfgbackup is :/
08:24<SynrG>nor how long it is expected to take to do whatever it is supposed to do ...
08:26<SynrG>hm. what's in your /etc/lvmconf? anything new?
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08:27<abrotman>volume group config ?
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08:27<SynrG>how many volume groups do you have? are there any options to the vgcfgbackup command in the postinst?
08:27<imdea>SynrG, this is the problem. When I upgraded to squeeze there were some problems with Xen hypervisor, hence I had to compile my own kernel (vanilla) to fix the bug in the system, but it seems that it was generating some problems now that I wanted to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, this were what I got when trying to upgrade:
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08:28<SynrG>could your kernel possibly be blocked on some io, as when you disconnect the network when you have nfs shares mounted?
08:28<SynrG>(but not necessarily specifically with nfs)
08:28<imdea>then I purged this non-standard Debian kernel using dpkg.
08:29<imdea>but the problem is still there. When I type 'dpkg --configure -a' it then executes the postint script (which has vgcfgbackup inside) and then it get stuck.
08:29<SynrG>i see. well, what does 'uname -r' say?
08:29<SynrG>if you're doing this in xen and the host kernel is too old ...
08:29<imdea>SynrG, # uname -r
08:29<SynrG>i can well imagine you might have some unresolvable issues here until the kernel is upgraded.
08:30<SynrG>please see the host administrator and get the kernel upgraded.
08:31<imdea>SynrG, I'm the host administrator.
08:31<imdea>and I have this installed: linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae
08:31<imdea>I assume it was installed during the dist-upgrade process... although as I told you, I'm running 2.6.32-5-xen-686 right now (since i'm on "squeeze")
08:33<SynrG>i see
08:34<SynrG>i don't know anything about xen. you should probably be talking to someone who does.
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08:34<imdea>SynrG, but do you think this is a Xen issue?
08:34<imdea>thought it was a lvm2 (vgcfgbackup) thing
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08:35<SynrG>probably both.
08:35<imdea>SynrG, well thanks anyway for your cooperation :(
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08:36<imdea>anyone else?
08:36<aeors>Here? I am.
08:36<aeors>What do you need?
08:37<SynrG>short version: lvm2 postinst hangs in a squeeze->wheezy upgrade.
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08:37<imdea>aeors,precisely executing vgcfgbackup command
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08:39<SynrG>imdea: and you have a self-built 2.6.32-5-xen-686 kernel? (this more or less matches the standard kernels naming scheme; did you just name it the same? or did you switch from your custom kernel back to the stock one?)
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08:40<SynrG>if running a custom kernel, which options differ from the stock kernel?
08:41<imdea>imdea: no, that one that I have is the standard Debian kernel. I had one that was called linux-2.6.29-6 and I purged it already
08:41<SynrG>i see
08:41<imdea>that one was compiled by myself.
08:41<SynrG>so, not relevant to this problem
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08:42<SynrG>imdea: at the point of the hang, what does dmesg say? any i/o errors?
08:42<SynrG>it's possible the disk is dying ...
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08:42<SynrG>and that it just happens to be triggered by this command in the upgrade.
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08:43<paulio>Hello I have the problem with Gnome 3.6 in Debian testing. After cold restart and log into GDM I see only background and cursor... :(
08:44<SynrG>see #debian-next for testing/unstable support
08:44<paulio>Ok, thx
08:45<imdea>SynrG, Hmm I don't see anything related in dmesg
08:45<paulio>SynrG: I am afraid that in debin-next channel is noone.
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08:46<SynrG>paulio: there are plenty of people in #debian-next
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08:47<paulio>SynrG: Yes, sorry
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08:48<SynrG>imdea: i guess it blocks on some io that can never finish, but don't know how to diagnose. maybe lsof to at least see what files vgcfgbackup has open?
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08:51<imdea>SynrG, this is what I get after doing lsof -p <pid> of one the 'vgcfgbackup' process I see under ps aux
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08:52<SynrG>so maybe it blocks on trying to backup the metadata on /dev/dm-28?
08:53<SynrG>i know about as much about lvm2 as xen, which is ... next to nothing :)
08:53<imdea>SynrG, really don't know...
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08:59<txt-file1>I have a problem with my xserver setup. The nvidia driver does not work and the Xorg-log says that it fails to load the module
09:00<txt-file1>but the nvidia kernel module is loaded. Xorg.log:
09:02<babilen>imdea: I would recommend to edit the postinst file to skip the backup for now. You can investigate later why the backup failed, but that would at least allow you to continue the upgrade.
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09:03<imdea>babilen, but are you sure that won't break something?
09:04<imdea>babilen: I'm afraid that lvm2 package doesn't get upgraded well
09:04<imdea>and it can give me problems when I reboot the server or in the future.
09:05<babilen>imdea: /sbin/vgcfgbackup hangs during the upgrade - I am not sure why that is and you might want to simply run it manually to investigate it. You can also strace it to see *why* it hangs, ps output would also be interesting. I am quite sure that the creation of this backup is not absolutely important during the upgrade and I figured it is better to have a working packaging system first. You can then investigate what's wrong with your LVM setup ...
09:06<babilen>... and/or disks.
09:06<imdea>babilen: I've tried already to run it manually and the same result. It hangs and I have to kill the process..
09:08<babilen>imdea: I mean we could also start somewhere else and check a couple of disk parameters like smartctl output (e.g. "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" for all disks (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, ...)), then "vgdisplay", "pvdisplay" and so on .. also check the dmesg output during the /sbin/vgcfgbackup run
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09:08<babilen>imdea: So, run it through strace, check dmesg, ...
09:08<imdea>babilen, don't know how to use strace... dmesg was already ran, and nothing appears there when running it
09:09<babilen>imdea: Simply run "strace /sbin/vgcfgbackup" and paste the output to + the output of the other commands.
09:10<babilen>imdea: And just to clarify: You *are* running the 3.2 kernel with udev 175-7.2 now .. (cf. "uname -a", "dpkg -l udev") aren't you?
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09:11<imdea>babilen: I don't have strace installed (and can't do apt-get install now since it says me I must run dpkg --configure -a first)
09:12<babilen>install it with dpkg, but just provide as much information as you can ...
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09:12<imdea>babilen: no, I'm running 2.6.32-5-xen-686 right now.
09:12<babilen>imdea: okay
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09:13<imdea>babilen: but now that I'm in the "middle" of squeeze and wheezy, I would have to get it from internet. Should I get the "squeeze" version or the wheezy one?
09:13<imdea>since the upgrade hasn't finished
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09:13<babilen>imdea: Which kernel packages do you have installed right now? (aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image)
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09:14<babilen>imdea: Just provide all the other bits and pieces of information that I asked you about ... And yes, good question, no idea ;)
09:14<babilen>And it's okay to put the output of *all* commands into a single pastebin ...
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09:14<imdea>I'm putting them as you're asking me
09:15<babilen>yes, but I mentioned a plethora of commands in the last ten minutes
09:16<imdea>babilen: I've installed strace and ran it agains vgcfgbackup but it stops at a line like this one: read(4,
09:16<imdea>do you want me to put the output in a paste bin ?
09:18<babilen>imdea: Show me the entire output along with that of all the other commands that I mentioned earlier. (smarctl, dpkg -l, {vg,pv}display, uname -a, ...)
09:18<imdea>wtf I can't do strace vgcfgbackup > logfile, it gets zero size
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09:20<babilen>imdea: -o filename allows you to write the output to a log file (cf. strace's manpage)
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09:22<babilen>imdea: Apparently the kernel is blocking on some I/O -- My recommendation is still to complete the upgrade and reboot into a completely upgraded system. That backup is nice to have, but not essential.
09:24<imdea>babilen: yes but in order to complete the upgrade I'll have to get rid of this error. The only way I see doing this is to comment that line of "vgcfgbackup" but I'm afraid I break the system and then it doesn't boot
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09:25<babilen>I wouldn't deem the creation of that backup to be necessary for a working system -- It might, however, be that whatever is preventing/causing the blocking I/O will cause other problems. Commenting that line will, at least, allow you to complete the upgrade.
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09:25<imdea>babilen: Now it seems that when I run 'pvdisplay' as well, it hangs the same way vgcfgbackup does
09:26<babilen>yeah, that doesn't *really* surprise me ... but then, just paste all the output I requested above and we can take a look at that.
09:26<babilen>I am simply offering a way to overcome this issue *for now* -- As you definitely have backups of important data anyway you have nothing to fear.
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09:29<imdea>babilen: I don't see anything in dmesg related to this. and when I execute both vgdisplay and pvdisplay it hangs
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09:30<babilen>okay, that leaves "uname -a", "smartctl -a /dev/sd{a,b,c,...}", "dpkg -l udev", "fdisk -i /dev/sda", ...
09:30<babilen>I also still like to see the strace output
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09:35<imdea>babilen: Could I use anything different from It doesn't let me put the whole info since it says the maximum size of text is 150KB
09:36<babilen>sure, or might be more forgiving
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09:41<txt-file1>I have a problem with my xserver setup. The nvidia driver does not work and the Xorg-log says that it fails to load the module. But the nvidia kernel module is loaded. Xorg.log:
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09:42<imdea>babilen: I have a iSCSI SAN connected to this server.. and looks like the problem is with it right? I was just taking a look at strace output
09:42<imdea>babilen: BTW, I've just tried to shutdown the open-iscsi service but it hangs as well.. what could I do?
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09:45<SynrG>imdea: wow. this upgrade is just a non-stop party.
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09:45<SynrG>imdea: my deepest sympathies
09:45<imdea>SynrG, I'm telling to you...
09:45<SynrG>take a break and go whack something
09:46<imdea>SynrG, :)
09:46<SynrG>i know about as much about iscsi as i do xen and lvm2, which is ...
09:47<babilen>imdea: yeah, still reading the strace output ...
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09:47<SynrG>but anyway, seems like you're in good hands with babilen, attacking it from first principles with strace, etc. :)
09:48<babilen>but it looks as if the culprit is /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-backup-volume (as you suspected)
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09:50<SynrG>google lvm iscsi hang
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09:51<babilen>judd: v open-iscsi
09:51<judd>Package: open-iscsi on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.871.3-2squeeze1; jessie: 2.0.873-3; sid: 2.0.873-3; wheezy: 2.0.873-3
09:52<babilen>imdea: Which version of open-iscsi do you have installed? I am, unfortunately, also not quite familiar with that toolset and cannot guide you through the process of debugging this in a sensible way.
09:53<imdea>babilen: ii open-iscsi 2.0.873-3 i386 High performance, transport independent iSCSI implementation
09:53<chealer>txt-file1: that's referring to the nvidia module
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09:54<txt-file1>chealer: did not know that there is a difference
09:54<babilen>judd: bug #498616
09:54<judd>Bug in open-iscsi (closed, patch): «open-iscsi: please support LVM»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-09-11; last modified: 2010-07-19.
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09:54<babilen>imdea: It's just that ^^^ looked promising. But then I would have to familiarise myself with iISCSI and open-iscsi in particular to debug this particular issue and, frankly, I don't have the time to do that right now.
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09:55<imdea>babilen: wtf? so it's a bug? but it was working before (with squeeze)
09:56<babilen>imdea: I would still recommend to remove that backup call from lvm2's postinst and finish the upgrade.
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09:56<babilen>imdea: I am not saying that it is a bug per-se (well, something is clearly wrong), but simply that the bug report above looked relevant.
09:56<peter1139>hmm, guess i should remove busybox...
09:57<SynrG>yes. it is a closed bug. apparently closed by the time squeeze released.
09:57<imdea>babilen: I've already done so, the problem is now that everytime I try to do anything with lvm2 it hangs
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09:57<SynrG>but given its history, there is such a thing as regressions ...
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09:58<SynrG>unfortunately, that's the way it can go when io operations block in the kernel :/
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09:58<babilen>imdea: You mean: You finished the upgrade? (you commented the backup call and ran "dpkg --configure -a" which then finished without additional errors?)
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09:58<SynrG>isn't it just a matter of teaching lvm (by means of some config?) to skip the failing iscsi volume?
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09:59<imdea>babilen: not yet, it's still doing things
09:59<SynrG>if it's a matter of *any* access to lvm hanging, then just removing the backup call is not going to help if there are others ...
09:59<babilen>SynrG: My secret hope is that it all magically falls into place once the upgrade is done, but there is obviously something fishy with iSCSI/LVM/mdadm (?)/...
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10:00*SynrG nods
10:00<SynrG>maybe some very poorly exercised rare combination of components.
10:00<imdea>babilen: that's my hope too!
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10:01<SynrG>hope you're taking notes ...
10:01<imdea>babilen: also, the system load is pretty high now (around 25.0) I assume it's because of the problems with lvm2
10:01<SynrG>maybe we can get some help from developers on this once it's over and save some other users the same grief
10:01<babilen>imdea: Well, we digged deeper and found what causes the problem .. for one reason or another I/O on your iSCSI san blocks, but I am simply not familiar enough with that to be able to investigate further.
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10:01<SynrG>mdadm is involved too?
10:02<babilen>SynrG: I am not quite sure about the entire setup, but it looks like LVM on top of a RAID + some iISCSI SAN that might (or might not) be independent of the RAID/LVM setup.
10:02<babilen>imdea: ah, okay
10:03<imdea>it's a hardware RAID
10:03<imdea>and yes, on top of RAID there is LVM
10:03<imdea>and the SAN has LVM volumes as well..
10:04<babilen>okay, sorry for being imprecise. I should have seen that it is hardware raid and not a software one. (it is clealy stated on line 32 in your paste)
10:04<SynrG>but the hardware raid is fine. just the san makes it hang?
10:04<imdea>SynrG, looks like.
10:04<babilen>SynrG: Looks like it
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10:05<babilen>SynrG: At least thats where the read() call blocks -- There are *some* errors before (couple of fcntl64() calls that complain bittlerly about EBADF (Bad file descriptor) but that doesn't block and seems to .. well .. finish after trying 1024
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10:09<imdea>and the high system load is worrying me
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10:10<imdea>ok, looks like the upgrade is finish
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10:11<imdea>what should I do now?
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10:12<babilen>At least the upgrade finished .. I take it that you still can't run vgcfgbackup without it blocking?
10:12<peter1139>the high system load is because those stuck tasks are waiting on IO
10:12<imdea>ok but I had to shutdown open-iscsi down
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10:13<imdea>should I try vgcfgbackup with open-iscsi down or should I start it first?
10:13<babilen>yeah, you probably have a bunch of D processes
10:13<imdea>babilen, yes I do
10:13<peter1139>i guess the root is not on iscsi
10:13<babilen>imdea: Were you successful in taking the iscsi daemon down?
10:13<imdea>babilen: no, I had to kill the process, it got stuck too
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10:14<imdea>so, do I start open-iscsi then?
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10:15<babilen>Well, give it a try - I am a bit hesitant to suggest a reboot as I am not sure if that will actually help anything. It might just sort (some?) things out and allow the system to initialise itself in a consistent environment, but then it might also simply mean that we loose access (easy access) to the box at all.
10:16<babilen>With the information we have right now we cannot really reliably predict what's going to happen which just sucks
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10:17<babilen>So, how do the lvm commands behave now? (before and after starting open-iscsi)
10:17<imdea>the same
10:17<imdea>they hang
10:17<babilen>I also guess that "checkrestart" lists quite a number of processes that use outdated libraries, doesn't it?
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10:19<imdea>well.. not hang at all since now at least I can do a ctrl c
10:20<babilen>this is all very unsatisfying - do you have local access to the box and would it be a possibility to chroot into it later?
10:20<imdea>when I run pvdisplay for instance it seems to get stuck. If I press ctrl +c I get:
10:20<imdea>^C CTRL-c detected: giving up waiting for lock
10:20<imdea> /run/lock/lvm/P_global:aux: flock failed: Interrupted system call
10:20<imdea> Unable to obtain global lock.
10:24<babilen>Do you have a /var/lock/lvm/$hostname ?
10:24<imdea>babilen, no
10:24<imdea>just: P_global and P_global:aux
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10:25<babilen>okay ... can you figure out which process those belong to? (it's probably one of the D vgcfgbackup ones)
10:26<imdea>lsof /var/lock/lvm/P_global
10:26<imdea>pvdisplay 17273 root 4uR REG 254,3 0 352266 /var/lock/lvm/P_global
10:26<imdea>vgscan 17417 root 5u REG 254,3 0 352266 /var/lock/lvm/P_global
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10:28<babilen>imdea: I'd try a reboot ... you might want to move/remove those locks beforehand.
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10:28<babilen>Can't quite think of anything else :-/
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10:29<imdea>babilen: and if it doesn't boot up? :|
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10:30<babilen>This is so unsatisfying, but there really isn't a way to reinitialise the system other than a reboot. I mean that would also get you a new kernel and a lot of daemons will use new libraries ...
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10:34<imdea>babilen, well I gotta go... thank you very much, as well as SrynG for your help. I'll keep trying tomorrow. Thanks by your time and willingness to help
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10:35<babilen>imdea: Please let us know how you continue with this. It would also be *much* appreciated if you could file a bug against lvm2 with the information we collected so far.
10:36<babilen>imdea: I am quite curious how the system behaves after/during a reboot but I can understand that you don't necessarily want to do that.
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10:36<imdea>babilen: do you think that rebooting problem would be solved?
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10:37<babilen>It would be my hope, yes. I have no way to *prove* that right now, but if you have local access to the system I would give it a try.
10:37<imdea>well I'll try it out and let you know
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11:16<nmeum>I want to install a different bootloader. How can I determine on which harddisk I have to install it?
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11:16<nmeum>fdisk -l shows me two harddisks which are both flagged as bootable
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11:17<mtn>nmeum: which bootloader and is it controlling the boot process at this time?
11:17<nmeum>grub is currently controlloing the boot process and I want to install extlinux
11:17<mtn>nmeum: is it what comes up on boot?
11:18<mtn>nmeum: okay, you installed it to the mbr.
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11:18<mtn>nmeum: does that answer your question then?
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11:19<nmeum>no, I know that I installed grub to the mbr and I want to install extlinux to the mbr too but I don't know how
11:19<mtn>nmeum: okay, then you need a howto for that program. I know nothing about it. you should be able to find info on the web.
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11:20<nmeum>I know a howto for that programm is located at /usr/share/doc/extlinux/README.debian :)
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11:21<nmeum>but it says at step five " install extlinux into your harddisk (e.g. sda): # extlinux-install /dev/sda"
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11:21<nmeum>but I am not so sure if I should install it to /dev/sda since fdisk -l also tells me that /dev/sdb is flagged as bootable
11:21<mtn>nmeum: you want it in the mbr, usually sda, just like it was for grub
11:22<mtn>nmeum: the bootable flag means nothing to linux.
11:22<nmeum>ah ok
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11:23<nmeum>I am not so sure if this is important but /dev/sdb1 is mounted as /boot not /dev/sda..
11:24<mtn>nmeum: no, that isn't your mbr. look up mbr in wikipedia for more info.
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11:25<mtn>nmeum: as you don't really understand the processs, I would recommend you don't make this big a change until you really understand it.
11:25<nmeum>I already made that change now :)
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11:25<mtn>nmeum: well then, good luck!
11:25<nmeum> works already
11:26<mtn>nmeum: nice
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11:28<nmeum>mtn: however, I would like to understand the process in more detail, is there any document you would recommend me to read? Just the wikipedia entry about mbr or is there anything else I need to know?
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11:29<mtn>nmeum: I would start there and do some searchs with a search engine. I am sure you can find as much info as you would want.
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12:15<alix>alguien sabe un chat de pear OS7?
12:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:33<adhawkins>Hi, trying to upgrade a wheezy VM to sid.
12:33<adhawkins>Getting this:
12:33<adhawkins>Any suggestions?
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12:33<adhawkins>I've tried updating apt to the latest version, but it still does it.
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12:36<mbentley>adhawkins: sounds like whatever mirror you may be getting sent to isn't working correctly
12:36<adhawkins>Oh ok.
12:36<adhawkins>I'll try just using or something then.
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12:38<adhawkins>Yep, that works. Thanks
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12:48<mbentley>great. no problem
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13:13<mica>y voz
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13:15<jalalsfs>I have some messages while I start the system, some platform not found
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13:16<jalalsfs>I installed firmware-iwlwifi
13:16<sney>jalalsfs, it's just testing to see which cpu you have so it can load the microcode for it
13:17<jalalsfs>sney, So no problem with that
13:17<dpkg>Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
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13:19<jalalsfs>sney, I upgrade from backports and now I see this:
13:20<jalalsfs>The kernel has upgraded as well.
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13:21<sney>is your system working as expected?
13:21<sney>are you having any issues with suspend or extra hotkeys etc?
13:22<jalalsfs>No, before 4 minutes it frozen.
13:23<jalalsfs>It says that "If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver"
13:23<sney>what device
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13:24<jalalsfs>I don't know, but there is "ACPI"
13:24<sney>pastebin the output of 'lspci -nn'
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13:26<musca>!tell jalalsfs about microcode
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13:26<sney>ok, I have no idea what device it's complaining about. do you have intel-microcode installed?
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13:27<sney>those issues are probably not related but with new systems who knows
13:27<musca>jalalsfs: ^but don't expect the microcode to change anything
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13:28<jalalsfs>sney Yes, this one firmware-iwlwifi
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13:28<sney>jalalsfs, intel-microcode is not the same package as firmware-iwlwifi
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13:30<jalalsfs>sney, There is no such packages like this.
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13:31<sney>,v intel-microcode
13:31<judd>Package: intel-microcode on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.20100826-1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1.20130222.1~bpo60+1; jessie/non-free: 1.20130222.1; wheezy/non-free: 1.20130222.1; sid/non-free: 1.20130222.4
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13:31<sney>check your spelling and make sure you have non-free enabled in sources.list
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13:33<jalalsfs>sney, I see 'iucode-tool' and firmware-linux-nonfree' not installed.
13:33<jalalsfs>musca, Why?
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13:36<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i'm trying to control a wheezy machine remotely but instead of controlling the entire machine;i want to control a single workspace. in workspace 1, the local user controls that workspace and the remote user controls workspace 2. is there any way to accomplish this?
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13:38<dpkg>RealVNC Free Edition provides a <VNC> server and client, packaged for Debian as vnc4server and xvnc4viewer respectively. It is not updated upstream (Debian bug #512703), ask me about <tightvnc> and <x11vnc> for alternative servers.
13:38<valdyn>paranoidphreak: ^^
13:39<cae>paranoidphreak: is it necessary that the users can exchange their work screens? If not, simply start another X
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13:41<valdyn>paranoidphreak: start "vncserver", log into that thing using "xvncviewer", see if you like what you get
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13:41<ompaul>valdyn: this has been also answered differently to the same nick on freenode
13:41<valdyn>ompaul: i see
13:41<ompaul>valdyn: and the comment about one server only has also been made
13:42<paranoidphreak>valdyn, cae, thanks for the suggestions
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13:43<paranoidphreak>ompaul: thanks
13:43*TobiX wonders if multi-pointer X would be an useful extension to a VNC server...
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13:43<ompaul>TobiX: why do people even use vnc when ssh -X user@farbox programname works :)
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13:44<sney>ssh -X can be hinky depending on a zillion different factors
13:44<sney>I prefer to avoid touching any of X's "networking" features
13:44*TobiX takes xpra over VNC anytime ;)
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14:20<unixabg>Greetings, I have a set of dell E6510 which only shows highest screen resolution with xrandr. I want lower resolutions but not sure best
14:20<unixabg>place to start.
14:20<unixabg>Any ideas?
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14:23<jacolby>can i install firefox nightly like this, on debian?
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14:25<jacolby>by a ppa from launchpad?
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14:28<jacolby>dont see anything firefox Nightly on there
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14:30<jacolby>better yet, does this work? on Debian this is what i want to install thru ppa
14:30<dpkg>[ppa] Personal Package Archive (see or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>.
14:31<jacolby>oh, is there a way to install nightly and get updates for it w/o redownloading it?
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15:27<lord_rob>ppa is in debian (does not work tho)
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15:32<wdoodle>trying to figure out what to do with the output of grub_mkpasswd_pbkdf2. one site says put it in /etc/grub.d/00_header, another /etc/grub.d/00_custom. Can't find any docs on the grub.d dir and the files under it. Any one know where I can read up on this? Doesn't appear to be part of grub's own docs, at least I never saw anything
15:33<wdoodle>sorry second site said 40_custom not 00_custom
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15:42<valdyn>wdoodle: grubs config file is generated, see the the generated config file to find the proper placement
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15:45<jmmy>You know the screen lock programs like xtrlock or i3lock, is there a way to determine the last lock/unlock occurance?
15:45<valdyn>jmmy: generally, no
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15:47<valdyn>jmmy: what are you trying to do?
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15:52<jmmy>valdyn, well, if I lock my screen, when I come back, say two hours later, I would like to know that the last time my screen was unlock did not occur within those 2 hrs
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15:53<valdyn>jmmy: so log your locking
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15:53<valdyn>jmmy: aswell as your unlocking
15:54<jmmy>valdyn, ok, so it doesn't do that already, how would I start logging?
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15:54<valdyn>jmmy: i cant say without knowing how you lock
15:55<jmmy>valdyn, I have xtrlock or i3lock, I just run them on the shell, and then I just have to enter password to unlock
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15:56<valdyn>jmmy: so run instead "date >> logfile && i3lock && date >> logfile"
15:56<jmmy>valdyn, ok let me try, thx
15:56<valdyn>jmmy: surely that can be done more elegantly, but thats how it works
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15:58<valdyn>jmmy: i3lock probably wants --nofork
15:59<jmmy>valdyn, it worked fine, but it doesn't really help me, cause someone can still just unlock me, and run i3lock again, and when I return, there is no mention in the log file
16:00<valdyn>jmmy: sure the unlock date is in the logfile
16:01<jmmy>valdyn, that is right, wow, it does work.
16:01<valdyn>jmmy: but really, what you are trying to do is protecting against someone else already knowing your password
16:01<jmmy>valdyn, yes
16:01<valdyn>jmmy: which is something that cannot be done
16:02<valdyn>jmmy: because anyone who knows the password can modify the logfile
16:02<valdyn>jmmy: passwords are actually meant to be secret....
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16:02<jmmy>valdyn, it is secret, but sometimes I come home and seems like someone has been in my system
16:03<jmmy>valdyn, can you teach me how that command is recording the unlock time too?
16:03<valdyn>jmmy: how?
16:04<valdyn>jmmy: the commands are exectuted in sequence, one after the other, so only when i3lock is done (when you unlock), then the 2nd "date" is run
16:04<jmmy>valdyn, I got it
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16:04<jmmy>valdyn, so the last date only happens after wards when you unlock and i3lock stops running
16:04<valdyn>jmmy: yes
16:04<jmmy>valdyn, thx
16:04<valdyn>jmmy: unless you forget --nofork
16:05<jmmy>so simple but I didn't think of it
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16:05<jmmy>valdyn, I did it without --nofork and it worked just the same
16:05<valdyn>jmmy: no
16:05<valdyn>jmmy: when you dont use --nofork then the 2nd date is run immediately
16:06<valdyn>jmmy: or in other words it only records the time of i3lock having finished starting, not its end time
16:06<jmmy>valdyn, yeah that right eh, I just thought the time was the same because I did with in a minute, but thats not true, even seconds are the same, ok let me try again
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16:07<jmmy>valdyn, yep, not it works as expected, thx
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16:08<valdyn>jmmy: if you want to be really safe, mail the date instead of saving it to a log file ;)
16:08<jmmy>So we should make log files that can't be deleted
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16:08<jmmy>hmm, but I like to unplug the net
16:08<jmmy>so no one can access from net
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16:11<jmmy>valdyn, thx a lot for what you taught me.
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17:35<bighornram>I need to increase the size of my USR LVM partition. I've tried booting to gparted and parted magic disks but I can't locate the LVM partition to increase the size. Can someone offer help?
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17:39<Airwave>bighornram: Last I checked, gparted isn't that great with LVM.
17:39<bighornram>:( found that out. How can I do this?
17:39<Airwave>What precisely are you trying to do?
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17:41<bighornram>I keep getting message from gnome I only have 233 Mb left on /usr. I have plenty of unused space and just need to expand the LVM /usr partition.
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17:41<Airwave>bighornram: Where is the unused space? On another LVM?
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17:43<lxuser>resize where is it there...
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17:43<trico>so by your space will come from shrinking another LV?
17:44<bighornram>Is what was reserved and unused for future expansion of the LVM's.
17:44<Airwave>bighornram: Ok. Should be fairly easy then.
17:45<trico>ok. i think you use lvextend then. make use of the -t switch to test your commands
17:45<Airwave>I recommend that you back up your data first.
17:45<Airwave>trico: Wouldn't lvresize be more suited for the task?
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17:46<Airwave>With the --resizefs option it will even resize the underlying filesystem as needed.
17:46<stderr_dk>lvextend is correct.
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17:47<trico>im not sure what the difference is, they have the exact same switches
17:48<Airwave>stderr_dk, trico: Yeah, from what I can see they both do pretty much the same thing.
17:48<stderr_dk>The difference seems to be that lvextend can't make the volume smaller. :-)
17:49<stderr_dk>lvreduce can...
17:49<Airwave>stderr_dk: lvreduce is the counterpart to lvextend, I believe.
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17:49<trico>almost... i look closer, theres a little difference in options. lvextend has more
17:49<stderr_dk>bighornram: What filesystem are you using?
17:49<stderr_dk>Some filesystems can be tricky to resize.
17:50<bighornram>I have that logical volume management package and it says /usr is not mounted but in use. ext4
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17:51<Airwave>So something along the lines of (double-check this before you run it): # lvresize -r -L +5G /dev/myvolgroup/mylv
17:51<trico>yeah, i would resize the fs using its own utilities. im dont know what fsadm is and isnt capable of
17:51<stderr_dk>I usually use something like: lvextend -L+8G -v /dev/foo/bar && xfs_growfs /mnt/baz
17:51<Airwave>Which would add 5 gigabytes to the logical volume named "mylv" on the volume group "myvolgroup," and then resize the filesystem to take up the new available space.
17:52<stderr_dk>I don't know how easy it is to resize an ext4 fs.
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17:52<Airwave>trico: I have used lvresize -r on an ext4 volume successfully.
17:52<Airwave>No issues at all.
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17:54<Airwave>In any case, in the event that it wasn't capable of resizing the underlying file system, I would assume that it would say so and not try.
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17:54<bighornram>Airwave: your lvresize line worked. thanks
17:55<stderr_dk>man lvextend and man lvresize both talk about "fstab(8)". Does anyone of you have the man page for that one? I can't find it.
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17:55<stderr_dk>fsadm(8), sorry...
17:55<Airwave>bighornram: Nice. Use lvdisplay to see that it worked the way you expected it to.
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17:56<Airwave>stderr_dk: I don't have it either. I can't find any package that provides it either.
17:57<stderr_dk>Yeah, I checked apt-file too...
17:57<bighornram>Airwave: looks great. thanks so much. I had tried lvextend but only -L and not -r
17:57<Airwave>bighornram: You're welcome.
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17:58<bighornram>;) have a great day!
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17:58<SynrG>stderr_dk: man/ is present in the source pkg ...
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17:59<Airwave>SynrG: The lvm2 source package?
18:00<SynrG>debian/lvm2.install looks a bit stupid ...
18:00<SynrG>it installs fsadm but not its man page.
18:00<Airwave>Seems like an odd decision.
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18:00<stderr_dk>Seems like a bug.
18:02<stderr_dk>Same problem in squeeze...
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18:03<SynrG>,bug #587277
18:03<judd>Bug in lvm2 (open, fixed-upstream, patch): «lvm2: fsadm has no man page»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-06-26; last modified: 2013-06-28.
18:03<SynrG>such quality
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18:34<onyx>I have a new VPS running Deb7, that keeps breaking when I try to update to latest DOTDEB packages for nginx and PHP, as it pulls in sysvinit that then breaks like this:
18:34<onyx>Setting up sysvinit (2.88dsf-41) ...
18:34<onyx>sysvinit: creating /run/initctl
18:34<onyx>sysvinit: restarting...init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl
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18:35<onyx>resulting in a failure to shutdown cleanly
18:35<onyx>reboot -f forces it
18:35<dpkg> is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read and report any issues to . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>.
18:35<onyx>but then it will not boot
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18:36<onyx> <dotdeb alternatives>
18:36<blast007>onyx: /msg dpkg dotdeb alternatives
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18:50<ixi_>after update from squeeze to wheezy, postgresql 8.4 got uninstalled and 9.1 is installed, yet the database ("cluster") of 8.4 has not been upgraded.
18:51<Apollo>the upgrade messages should've specified the upgrade process
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18:54<ixi_>it was... it said see man
18:55<ixi_>trying to run `pg_upgradecluster -v 9.1 8.4 main` results in "Error: specified cluster is not running
18:56<wdoodle> valdyn: thanks, but I can't find anything in grub.cfg about passwords. I guess I'll just try putting it in each file in turn and see which works better. Thx
18:58<ixi_>the recommended solution from the internet seems to be temporarily reinstalling postgresql-8.4 (
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18:59<ixi_> No candidate version found for postgresql-8.4
18:59<ixi_>any help :s
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19:08<ixi_>how do I install both postgresql 8.4 and 9.1 on a wheezy system at the same time ?
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19:17<onyx>ok, what if the errors I am getting are NOT caused by dotdeb, and in fact after a dist-upgrade on the clean system, the sysvinit is borked?
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19:24<ixi_>anyone can show me a way to install postgresql-8.4 on wheezy when apt-get'ting it returns "No candidate version found for postgresql-8.4" ?
19:24<DruggedMonk>Hello all i'm having some issues getting C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller input to work on my debian wheezy machine. Can someone assist with this?
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19:25<devil>what issues?
19:27<redhoodie>Hello everyone. I'm running Debian 7 on liveCD, but encountered a problem when I chose to run Live. It said "IBS interrupt offset" and indicated that it was a firmware bug and then I got a kernel panic message. I searched for the problem and found that it had something to do with ADM. So does the problem come from my incompatible hardware? Can someone help me please?
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19:28<ixi_>will installing directly from (squeeze package) work on a wheezy system ?
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19:35<adga>hello debian users!
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19:38<overo>hello adga!
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19:47<onyx>ok, so what is the story with upstart? when Deb7 dist-upgrades it pulls in sysvinit, wiping out upstart
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19:48<sney>dist-upgrade to what from what
19:48<onyx>just within a fresh Deb 7
19:48<onyx>the image given to me by my VPS provider
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19:48<sney>ah, vps providers.
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19:49<sney>you'll have to talk to your provider about that. a lot of times they do custom packages and stupid apt tricks
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19:49<onyx>aha, figures
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19:50<redhoodie>Hello everyone. I'm running Debian 7 on liveCD, but encountered a problem when I chose to run Live. It said "IBS interrupt offset" and indicated that it was a firmware bug and then I got a kernel panic message. So does the problem come from my incompatible hardware? Can someone help me fix this please? This is my first time using it?
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19:52<onyx>redhoodie: I have had similar when a USB device was plugged into the USB3 ports. try removing them
19:53<redhoodie>thanks I will definitely try that.
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19:53<ixi>is there any way to install postgresql 8.4 on wheezy? (package available only for squeeze)
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20:00<Infiltrator>ixi: Why do you want to?
20:01<ixi>Infiltrator 8.4 got removed during dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, but pg_upgradecluster requires 8.4 to be also installed to be able to upgrade from 8.4 to 9.1
20:02<adga>ixi: yes postgresql version 9.1 is good....
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20:12<gboy>brand spanking new, got Ubuntu on a Chromebook, having a hard time getting Tor, a Vidalia error
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20:14<sney>!ubuntuirc gboy
20:14<dpkg>gboy: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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20:19<Infiltrator>ixi: You could grab the .deb and install it or play with your sources.list; but I would reccomend against both.
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20:19<Infiltrator>ixi: It sounds like gp_upgradecluster is broken here; is there no way to fix that?
20:19<ixi>no idea
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20:20<ixi>Infiltrator I found out that there is a 8.4 source package in wheezy so trying to build from that
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20:40<ixi>after building postgresql-8.4 from source and installing the resulting deb (postgresql-plperl-8.4_8.4.17-1_i386.deb) running `pg_ctlcluster 8.4 main start` produces this:
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21:10<SARC>How can multiarch be the "way of the future" when package developers say it's impossible?
21:10<SARC>(impossible to implement) as in this bug post:
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21:27<Infiltrator>SARC: People used to say that computer smaller than the size of rooms were impossible.
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21:28<SARC>Infiltrator, can i quote you on the bug report? I think it's silly too.
21:28<Infiltrator>SARC: If you want; but it's not really my quote.
21:29<Infiltrator>SARC: Also, all that I can see in that bug report is: "nobody told us how to do this so we're not going to".
21:29<SARC>I think its a lousy cop-out IMO.
21:29<Infiltrator>I agree that specs are needed; but that's just lazy; surely something could be done in the meantime that goes along with convention.
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21:33<stderr_dk>How about moving the libusb-config to e.g. libusb-config-i386 and make a simple wrapper-script that checks "dpkg --print-architecture" and calls the arch-specific version of libusb-config. Wouldn't that work?
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21:36<SARC>stderr_dk: can you ask the developer via the bug report?
21:37<stderr_dk>I don't use multi-arch myself, so I think it would be better if someone test it first.
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21:37<SARC>stderr_dk: ok, if I knew how to do that I would test it myself right now.
21:40<SARC>I mean, this is silly... something I can do with Windows that I can
21:41<SARC>*can't do with Debian is compile code targetting 32-bit and 64-bit systems from the same ide (without chroot)
21:41<SARC>at the same time without switching back and forth.
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21:44<stderr_dk>SARC: Extremely simple config-wrapper:
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21:45<stderr_dk>SARC: Too install for a new library: ln config-wrapper libfoobar-config
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21:45<stderr_dk>And then you just need the original libfoobar-config as libfoobar-config-i386 or whatever...
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21:46<SARC>stderr_dk: is there a way to force install both i386 and amd64 versions on the same package? When I go to install the second version it wants to remove the first version.
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21:47<stderr_dk>As I said, I don't use multi-arch.
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21:48<SARC>Anyone else know?
21:49<stderr_dk>I think, you need to do something like dpkg --add-architecture i386
21:49<stderr_dk>But beyond that... No idea.
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21:49<SARC>yeah, i have multiarch up and running for other -dev packages. (and amazingly they work!)
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21:51<Arrowmaster>would have to create a *-dev-common package to hold the script
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22:01<SARC>I don't know if this was a wise thing to do, but I was able to 'apt-get download libusb-dev:i386' and then 'dpkg --force-depends -i libusb*.deb' and my code *seems* to build.
22:02<stderr_dk>Arrowmaster: Do you mean one extra package for each library or just _one_ extra package for the script?
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22:05<stderr_dk>Can't libusb-dev:i386 depend on e.g. config-wrapper, have /usr/bin/libusb-config-i386 and make the hardlink as part of the install script?
22:05<stderr_dk>And likewise for libusb-dev:amd64 and /usr/bin/libusb-config-amd64
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22:07<Arrowmaster>ah yeah i guess that way works, just one extra package for a universal script
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22:08<Arrowmaster>probably better to just making it a super generic script and have it included in the mulitarch package
22:08<stderr_dk>Maybe put it in build-essential?
22:09<Arrowmaster>make it super generic so even things other than -dev packages can use it
22:09<stderr_dk>I didn't know there was a multiarch package.
22:09<Arrowmaster>i know theres some normal packages id like to be able to install both arch's of
22:10<stderr_dk>Maybe it should use "i386-linux-gnu" instead of just "i386".
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22:12<stderr_dk>What's "the multiarch" package"? binutils-multiarch?
22:12<stderr_dk>I hope not... "NORMAL USERS SHOULD NOT INSTALL THIS PACKAGE."...
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22:13<stderr_dk>Transitional package... All it depends on is libc6.
22:14<Arrowmaster>its still a required package though
22:14<Arrowmaster>but yeah its empty
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22:15<phorum72>hello all. is it possible to make apt-get reinstall all packages with the new locale settings?
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22:16<Arrowmaster>did you use something like localepurge?
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22:16<phorum72>no i just changed locale then did apt-get upgrade ? am i missing a step?
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22:16<Arrowmaster>you shouldnt need to do anything
22:19<phorum72>ok thanks
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22:51<phorce1>OK, my google-fu is failing tonight. Is there something similar to rsync that will move files to the correct directory if they already exist on the remote rather than downloading a new copy from the source then deleting the copy that was already there because it's "not where it was supposed to be"?
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22:55<stderr_dk>If it's just a few files, but you don't know their name, you could try rsync -n / --dry-run to get the list of files that will be removed and the list of files to download. Then manually move the files.
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22:58<phorce1>stderr_dk: I manually move them now and it's a pain. It can be 5, or 50 and the total size can be a few hundred meg up to 10 or 20 gig. because of the size I carry them to the remote location on a portable drive. It would be nice to automate the location sync though.
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23:01<stderr_dk>If you manually moved the file and rsync still wants to transfer it, it means that the file size and/or the timestamp is wrong.
23:02<stderr_dk>-y sounds interesting, but it will only use files in the same directory.
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23:03<stderr_dk>Ah! --compare-dest=DIR
23:03<phorce1>no, if I manually move them then rsync is fine. Let me do a quick writeup of what I'm doing and toss it in a pastebin rather than cluttering the channel. Be back in a bit
23:03<phorce1>compare? how'd I mis that -- re-reading man page
23:05<stderr_dk>Check --copy-dest and --link-dest too.
23:07<phorce1>stderr_dk: that looks promising but I don't think it will actually move the files. I'll play with it some. I current;y have the remote and source in the same room to try to figure this out.
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23:08<phorce1>--copy-dest looks like it but the wording on the man page isn't clear as to its actual action. I'll test it in a moment
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23:09<stderr_dk>What if you put the files from the portable drive in "from_portable_drive", then use "--copy-dest from_portable_drive" (so rsync copies the files from there), then delete "from_portable_drive" when rsync is done?
23:09<stderr_dk>Or use --link-dest instead, if you want to avoid a lot of copying.
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23:10<stderr_dk>It's unclear if the dir structure in "from_portable_drive" needs to be correct or if "everything in one dir" is good enough.
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23:15<phillipsjk>phorcel what you are asking about sounds familliar, but I would not know what to look for either :P
23:15<phorce1>The current directory structire is: 2TB drive mounted as /work/ . on /work/ there are /work/incoming/ ; /work/complete/ ; /work/hold/ ... inside incoming/ and hold/ are LOTS of directories where files get moved depending on what they were related to. Right now all new files go into incoming/ and onto a folder called incoming/ on the portable drive as they arrive. As I mess with them they get moved from incoming/ to the other folders in /work/ but stay in in
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23:17<phorce1>I'm waiting for a new file in /incoming/ to finish copying from another location then I'll manually copy it to the remote as if I'd carried it home on the portable and test the copy-dest switch
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23:22<stderr_dk>phorce1: A completely different solution would be to put the files in git and then use git mv. I don't know if that's a good idea at all...
23:25<phorce1>stderr_dk: I think that would be much more painful to set up. ;-)
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23:36<phillipsjk>FreeBSD hand-book mentions amanda, but I don't think that is what you were asking about.
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23:45<wdoodle>I've got a serial console mostly working now, but everything between "Loading initial ramdisk ..." and the getty message and login prompt is garbage. Everything I've found on the net suggests speed incompatiblilty to be the problem. I did have everything set to 115200 8n1, but then dropped it to 9600. Different garbage, but still garbage. Any other ideas here?
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23:46<SamB>wdoodle: you mean besides trying to probe it with a scope?
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23:48<wdoodle>yeah, besides that :) I wouldn't know what to do with a scope if I had one :)
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23:50<phorce1>wdoodle: try all the common (and older) speeds. 300 8n1, 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600, 19200
23:51<wdoodle>squeeze both ends, agetty on server, minicom on the terminal end. Terminal end is 2.6.32-5-amd64, server side is 2.6.32-5-686
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23:52<phorce1>also try 7 bits instead of 8
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23:54<wdoodle>phorce1: ok, gonna have to be tomorrow at this point though. Should I leave parity at no if I try 7 bits ?
23:55<phorce1>wdoodle: I would. If still failing you can go through the list again trying O and E
23:57<wdoodle>OK, I'll let you know tomorrow how it works out
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