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00:17<hbod>hi, i just upgraded to jessie and got gnome 3.8. my default it logs into the gnome-classic session even when i choose the regular gnome session from gdm. has this regular gnome been disabled in jessie? how can i enable it?
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00:56<Snark>hi
00:56<Danato>hey guys
00:56<Snark>I have a problem with Debian/gnome3
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00:56<Snark>can I ask for help here?
00:57<Danato>Ive got a question about language packs, ill ask after you sort your problem out lol
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00:58<Snark>OK, Im using Versión testing (jessie) de 64-bits / GNOME 3.4.2 / Linux 3.9-1-amd64 and after the last upgrade i lost all the gnome desktop
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00:59<Snark>I have tehe gnome clasic but in gnome just got the desktop image and dont have panels, actions, nothing
00:59<Snark>some idea?
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01:01<Danato>..... this place seems dead
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01:01<Danato>and I have no idea, I use kde
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01:03<Snark>Danato, and your problem is?
01:03<Danato>I wanna know how to install language packs
01:04<Danato>I live in china, and some of my friends type with chinese characters, all I see is squares
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01:05<Danato>So installing a chinese language pack (or the equivalent on linux) would probably solve it
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01:06<Snark>do you have the chinese locales?
01:06<Danato>Sorry but... whats that?
01:07<Danato>yeah I'm kinda new to linux
01:09<Snark>ok
01:09<Snark>and you are using kde?
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01:10<Snark>maybe you need to install xfonts-intl-chinese
01:10<Danato>yeah I'm using kde
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01:11<Danato>installing
01:11<Snark>:D
01:13<Danato>ok I jst installed it
01:13<Danato>am I supposed to restart now?
01:13<Danato>coz I still see squares
01:15<Snark>restart the service
01:15<Snark>in gnome its like killall gdm3
01:15<Snark>and gdm3, but in kde ??
01:16<Danato>yeah kde
01:16<Danato>i guess ill jst restart the pc
01:16<Danato>brb
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01:21<Danato>ok I'm back
01:21<Danato>but I still see squares instead of characters :/
01:21<Snark>wait
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01:23<Snark>Iḿ reading
01:23<Snark>for traditional chinese: ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
01:23<Snark>simplified chinese: ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp
01:24<Danato>i should install those?
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01:24<Snark>after install tha you may have to execute "qtconfig"
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01:24<Snark>and add the fonts
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01:33<Danato>sorry, bad connection
01:33<Snark>:)
01:34<Danato>installing the second one now
01:35<Snark>ok
01:35<Snark>if you need to install >2 packets you can use aptitude install pack1 pack2 pack3...
01:36<Danato>And it works!! :D
01:36<Danato>thanks for everything man
01:36<Danato>btw I ddnt have to execute qtconfig
01:36<Snark>great
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01:36<Snark>if you dont need it, dont use it
01:36<Danato>good
01:37<Danato>no squares anymore lol
01:37<Danato>thanks again
01:38<Snark>:)
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02:09<tgs3>in middle of dist-upgrade to wheezy I canceled it (but only at download stage!) now when I do it again, it calculates the conflicts tree forever until OOM. wtf?
02:09<tgs3>!upgrade
02:09<dpkg>upgrade is, like, what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze> <squeeze->wheezy>.
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02:16<tgs3>security
02:16<tgs3>!security
02:16<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
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02:20<tgs3>hmm
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02:23<tgs3>neat.
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02:34<tgs3>can I tell aptitude to NOT resolve conflicts but instead remove all packages causing conflict? I would rather have minimal working system then aptitude hanging/crashing on resolving conflicts
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02:41<melmothX>tgs3: use apt-get
02:42<melmothX>the release notes reccomend apt-get, not aptitude
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02:47<nevyn>melmothX: and how does that help him actually achieve the task requested...
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02:53<tgs3>melmothX: ok. But why so, can't aptitude do it as well?
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02:58<melmothX>tgs3: aptitude is having exitential problems lately, so you *had to read the
02:58<melmothX>relnotes
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02:59<melmothX>nevyn: if you know better, feel free to help out instead of arguing
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03:08<tgs3>nevyn: thanks. Yes Im tryind to update deb6->deb7, and so far apt-get way seems to be working
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03:25<tgs3>error in Version string version number does not start with digit <--- in debian7 this happens on my custom .deb's. How to work around/ignore this? (untill we fix the custom .deb's)?
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03:39<tgs3> /window 10
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04:08<leonov>hi all... i have a little prroblem with fingerprint authentication on wheezy. after i installed libpam_fprintd on my notebook after i logoff and logon i get message that my tokenring is not unlocked and i have to enter my password. i use GNOME 3.4.2. any advice how to get that fixed?
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04:14<EmleyMoor>Anyone tried downloading albums from Amazon Cloud Player recently? It doesn't seem to like doing a whole album for Linux users now...
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04:17*EmleyMoor is going to try using Firefox for Windows to see if that helps...
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04:36<tgs3>have half-configred upackage, can't remove nor install it. How to tell dpkg to forget it and reinstall it from scratch?
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04:37<Calinou>apt-get install --reinstall packagename?
04:38<tgs3>Calinou: no.. what solved it, was dpkg -i /var/cache/apt...package.deb and then remove it
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05:18<dimitris>hi, on debian testing 64mb today`s dist-upgrade wants to install these 2 packages libjack-jackd2-0 libjack-jackd2-0:i38, but wants to remove all these http://paste.debian.net/14106/ . how to i resolve this plz?
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05:34<Maulkin>dimitris: try #debian-next
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05:34<Maulkin>(As per the topic)
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05:35<dimitris>Maulkin:thanks
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05:41<federico>hello
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06:04<julyano>CIAO
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06:06<julyano>CIAO
06:06<nevyn>!it
06:06<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:06<julyano>MERSI
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06:40<rmueller8>hello, i am under the "updated" aptosid 13-01 release. i installed, this time successfully the nivida-drivers from propreatary geforce.com/drivers repository for 64bit. it is switching - but have a very POOR performance - as i thought it could be really better. also the display flickers (MPRO91 LAPTOP). Anyone knows, howto accelerate NVIDIA-CHIP in KDE? sometimes it hangs - and all
06:41<rmueller8> thee losses, Chaven't gone, though i upgraded more 4GB of RAM. Hopefully, someone knows, why the performance of the nvida-driver of geforce.com/drivers repository, really fails against the open-source derivat? mfg rm1911
06:41<babilen>dpkg: aptosid
06:41<dpkg>aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net.
06:41<rmueller8>yo - its about the nvidia driver this time.
06:41<rmueller8>@aptosid channel, there is silence
06:42<babilen>Use Debian if you want support in here. We only support that for number of technical and social reasons.
06:42<rmueller8>yah cool, its debian down under!
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06:43<babilen>It is not Debian and it is not support here. There are more than technical reasons for that and I kindly ask you to accept it. Use Debian if you want support in Debian channels or mailing lists.
06:43<babilen>*supported
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06:44<rmueller8>babilen - sure but its a DISTRO of debian... a derivate!
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06:44<babilen>dpkg: based on debian
06:44<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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06:44<babilen>rmueller8: So, if you want to discuss this further then /msg me, but accept that we support only pure Debian in here due to technical *and* social reasons.
06:45<sladjan>Hi, I just installed sshfs and /dev/fuse is not owned by group fuse. Why is that, and do I have to chown it myself?
06:45<rmueller8>my question wasn't that distribution related, but was affecting also the debian-REPOSITORY. the opensource drivers for geforce-chip are quicker than those from geforce.com/repo and there is a switch somewhere to change this. this as a motiviation of asking in a different channel!
06:46<rmueller8>perhaps someone knows, even if he use another flavor?
06:46<Calinou>seems legit
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06:46<Calinou>open source driver faster than proprietary driver :P
06:47<babilen>rmueller8: I elaborated on the support status of aptosid and its users extensively and even offered you to /msg me for further details. Please accept our policy and seek help in the aptosid channel (or ##linux on freenode).
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06:50<sladjan>Anyone knows what is happening, when installing sshfs? The permissions seem wrong, as /dev/fuse is not of group 'fuse' and apparently after a reboot the permission gets reset but mounting still works for members of fuse, even though /dev/fuse is of group 'root' again? http://tuxnetworks.blogspot.co.at/2013/03/solved-permission-denied-when-mounting.html
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06:51<babilen>sladjan: fuse.postinst installs /dev/fuse as root:fuse -- Which version of Debian is this?
06:51<sladjan>babilen: Wheezy 7.1, I installed it yesterday
06:52<sladjan>a stable netinstall babilen
06:52<babilen>sladjan: Hmm, that shouldn't happen. Could you purge the fuse package and reinstall it again and show me relevant output on http://paste.debian.net ? (ls -l output and so on)
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06:53<babilen>judd: v fuse
06:53<judd>Package: fuse on i386 -- wheezy: 2.9.0-2+deb7u1; jessie: 2.9.2-4; sid: 2.9.2-4; experimental: 2.9.3-1
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06:55<sladjan>babilen: OK, I am not sure, what else to show you: http://pastebin.com/E8bkGVLw
06:55<babilen>could you use http://paste.debian.net or another pastebin in the future please?
06:55<sladjan>sorry
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06:56<babilen>(e.g. http://refheap.com or http://paste.ubuntu.com are good choices, pastebin.com is ugly but the biggest problems are that it sometimes asks you to enter captchas and (even worse) mangles input once in a while)
06:56<sladjan>http://paste.debian.net/14113/
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06:56<babilen>sladjan: Thanks, its okay I just wanted to point it out for the future :-D
06:57<sladjan>:) no problem, thanks babilen
06:57<babilen>sladjan: Okay, please purge the fuse package and then install it again - Do you still have these permissions?
06:57<sladjan>babilen: I just purged and reinstalled it, yes. This paste is after doing it.
06:58<babilen>And you say that even if you run "chown root:fuse /dev/fuse" manually now that it will be reset after a reboot?
06:58<sladjan>babilen: I didn't test this, I just read it after googling for this issue
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06:59<sladjan>babilen: I just was confused why the permissions were wrong
07:00<sladjan>babilen: or if there was some other way of setting sshfs up, I am fairly new to linux
07:00<SynrG>/lib/udev/rules.d/60-fuse.rules
07:00<babilen>sladjan: They shouldn't -- We run scripts during the installation of a package and one of these scripts sets the permissions correctly. Could you check that you have a "chown root:fuse /dev/fuse" call in /var/lib/dpkg/info/fuse.postinst (or just show me that file)
07:00<SynrG>babilen: false hit
07:00<SynrG>only executed if doing MAKEDEV ... he should have udev managing it
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07:01<babilen>right
07:01<babilen>*sigh*
07:01<SynrG>see filepath above ...
07:01<SynrG>KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse", OPTIONS+="static_node=fuse"
07:01<SynrG>that should do it
07:01<sladjan>OK, well this is what I got there http://paste.debian.net/14114/
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07:02<sladjan>it seems to be OK?
07:02<SynrG>sladjan: looks right to me. is udev running?
07:02<sladjan>the rule i mean
07:02<SynrG>yup
07:02<sladjan>SynrG: no idea, I guess yes :)
07:03<sladjan>how to how to see this, SynrG ?
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07:05<sladjan>SynrG: This is a standard installation, I didn't disable udev. As far as I know, it should be on
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07:06<SynrG>sladjan: pgrep -l udev
07:07<sladjan>SynrG: it is there, udevd
07:08<SynrG>sladjan: anything unusual about the install? (e.g. xen domu, etc.)?
07:08<sladjan>SynrG: no, a minimum install, sunning samba and sshd
07:09<SynrG>when you say 'minimum', what components did you select? just base, or standard too?
07:09<sladjan>SynrG: rootfs is on lvm
07:10<sladjan>SynrG: I deselected all of the tasks when I installed it. After install, I installed the task ssh server
07:10<sladjan>This is after installing it, I tried purging fuse again: crw------T 1 root root 10, 229 Jul 3 12:31 /dev/fuse
07:11<SynrG>sladjan: you do have a fuse group in /etc/group?
07:11<sladjan>SynrG: yes
07:11<SynrG>so you don't have standard. hmm
07:11<SynrG>that's somewhat unusual. don't know if or how that would impact on this problem.
07:12<gsimmons>sladjan: The /dev/fuse permissions should be set (via udev) during boot, as SynrG indicated. In Squeeze and Wheezy, it isn't performed at package post-installation time if udev is running (bug #568644).
07:12<SynrG>ah. so would be fixed after a reboot (or restart of udev)?
07:13<sladjan>Ah, I just searched for sshfs bugs
07:13<gsimmons>Yes, later fuse postinst use "invoke-rc.d udev reload".
07:14<SynrG>sladjan: you want to try that?
07:14<sladjan>yes
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07:14<sladjan>hm I entered "invoke-rc.d udev reload" now as root, but the permissions are the same
07:15<sladjan>Was this correct? I can reboot too.
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07:17<SynrG>a reboot will make no difference if that didn't do it.
07:18<gsimmons>sladjan: The reload calls "udevadm control --reload-rules". Does "udevadm trigger" make any difference?
07:18<sladjan>What is confusing me, is that in ls -l seems wrong? It is past 13:00 now: crw------T 1 root root 10, 229 Jul 3 12:31 /dev/fuse
07:18<sladjan>"udevadm trigger" did it, yes :)
07:18<sladjan>time is correct also
07:19<SynrG>gsimmons: this looks relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/1152718
07:19<SynrG>gsimmons: is there a related debian bug?
07:19<SynrG>that explains why the trigger helps
07:20<gsimmons>Right, ACTION. Good find.
07:21<sladjan>Cool, thank you. :)
07:21<SynrG>somewhat dismayed vorlon found and fixed this in ubuntu but didn't send it back upstream to us :p
07:22<SynrG>at least, i can't find any related bug on udev in debian :p
07:22<nevyn>SynrG: upstream debian or upstream udev?
07:23<SynrG>ah, good point. i didn't check upstream udev ...
07:24<SynrG>i assume we (ubuntu, debian) use the same udev upstream still? ...
07:24<nevyn>SynrG: also the comments seem to imply it's a fix that was already applied upstream
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07:27<rufff>i have the same permissions on /dev/fuse but fuse is not installed, just libfuse2:i386. 7.1 upgraded from squeeze, upgraded from lenny
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07:28<SynrG>rufff: udev itself is responsible for /dev/fuse, not the fuse package or libfuse2, even
07:30<rufff>i am also missing the udev rule, is that ok?
07:30<nevyn>rufff: it'll be there..
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07:31<SynrG>gsimmons: i still don't understand. sladjan's paste didn't have the ACTION="add" :/
07:32<SynrG>not for setting group, at least
07:32<nevyn>SynrG: the fuse rules arn't installed in /etc/udev.rules.d by a fuse package?
07:33<SynrG>no. it's from /lib/udev/rules.d/ provided by udev
07:33<SynrG>oh wait
07:33<SynrG>no, that's owned by 'fuse'
07:33<SynrG>my mistake
07:33<nevyn>;)
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07:34<SynrG>rufff: when you say 'the same permissions', you mean root:root? then that's expected if you don't have the fuse package installed.
07:35<rufff>yep
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07:35<SynrG>the kernel provides a /dev/fuse because it's compiled with it enabled
07:35<rufff>thanks
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08:09<gsimmons>SynrG: You're right, it didn't, and reloading rules doesn't apply changes to existing devices anyway. fuse's postinst was amended last month (2.9.2-7) to create an udev event, which applies the permissions.
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08:40<nbags>hi, how do i install a package (e.g. a library) without dpkg/apt remembering that i explicitly asked to install it, i.e. it should appear when i type 'apt-get autoremove'. like gentoo's
08:40<nbags>'emerge -1'
08:40<nbags>anyone know?
08:41<abrotman>!unmarkauto
08:41<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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08:44<SynrG>gsimmons: aha. thanks
08:45<SynrG>surely that wouldn't be difficult to backport to wheezy ...
08:45<nbags>abrotman: im not sure if thats exactly what i want ... im actually downgrading a bunch of packages from testing to stable, using 'apt-get install packagename/wheezy' so some of them may have been explicitly installed and some may not. so i don't want to accidently mark a bunch of libraries as being explicitly installed by me
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08:46<abrotman>nbags: you can markauto or unmarkauto later to clean that upp
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08:47<nbags>aboudreault: but how will i know which ones? im wondering if using --reinstall marks packages as manually installed or not
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08:53<nbags>oops. abrotman ^^
08:53<abrotman>nbags: get the status now?
08:54<abrotman>before you downgrade
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08:55<nbags>abrotman: im doing a bunch of packages in bulk ... thats the problem i dont want to work out which are auto and which are manual then clean up the mess. i just want to downgrade them all but dont touch the mark
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08:55<abrotman>nbags: not sure you can do that ..
08:56<peter1139>no way to list? hmm
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08:56<abrotman>list, yes
08:56<nbags>so --reinstall does mark as manually installed ...
08:56<abrotman>downgrade without altering that mark, not sure
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08:57<nbags>i could make a script to read the state then fix later but that seems annoying
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08:57<peter1139>i had a similar situation when i want to upgrade only a small set of packages, but i solved that by marking the other packages as held, then i didn't need to worry about the auto flag
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09:00<nbags>hmmm so is there some way to downgrade the packages without using 'apt-get install' or 'apt-get install --reinstall'? they both set a manually installed mark
09:01<bullgard4>[Debian 7.1, Audacity 2.0.1-1] http://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=64234: "Audacity 2.x is well documented with a full user manual, an online wiki, Tutorials and other useful resources." Clicking Audacity > Help > »Fast Help (in Internet browser)«: "Apparently you have not installed the Help." How to correct that?
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09:10<nbags>oh cool so it turns out if you set stable apt-pinned at 1001 then apt-get dist-upgrade it will actually downgrade everything i installed from testing
09:11<peter1139>hmm
09:11<peter1139>dunno if using dpkg affects the package state
09:12<nbags>well a dist-upgrade doesnt usually touch the marks, so i don't think it will here
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09:18<peter1139>yeah that should be fine. never played with pinning, myself.
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09:20<nbags>i just tested it, doesnt touch the marks. that apt-pin 1001 is a pretty handy trick though
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09:22<administrator>fu
09:23<administrator>hello
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09:23<Maulkin>administrator: How can we help?
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09:24<administrator>no no thanks
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09:26<nbags>so this box has 'deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates' and 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates'. what's preferred these days?
09:26<weasel>they are different things.
09:26<weasel>(yay)
09:26<nbags>haha. thats awesome
09:27<nbags>they look so different
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09:30<nbags>i was so impressed with debian just a few minutes ago. i downgraded two mixed systems to wheezy without a hitch. now i learn wheezy-updates wheezy/updates are two completely different things.
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09:45<nocturnal>trying to figure out why I have libpam-krb5 installed. I check apt-cache rdepends libpam-krb5 but none of those packages are installed. so does that mean I installed libpam-krb5 myself and forgot?
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09:46<nocturnal>the only package I'm sure that I installed myself is krb5-user
09:46<nocturnal>which is in fact in conflict with heimdal-clients, one of the rdepends for libpam-krb5
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09:49<nbags>nocturnal: apt-mark should show you if you installed it yourself ...
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09:50<nocturnal>yeah it was manual
09:50<nocturnal>thanks, apt-mark was new to me
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09:50<nbags>new to me 10 mins ago too :)
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09:55<DataGhostS>can someone explain to me why, on squeeze with deb-src lines for both squeeze and wheezy, apt-get source -t wheezy <package> yields E: Ignore unavailable target release, with -t squeeze fetches the squeeze package and without -t altogether fetches the wheezy package?
09:55<DataGhostS>and how to 'fix' it preferrably? this breaks my scripts when trying to build wheezy packages on a squeeze machine
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09:56<bullgard4>[Debian 7.1, Audacity 2.0.1-1] http://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=64234: "Audacity 2.x is well documented with a full user manual, an online wiki, Tutorials and other useful resources." Clicking Audacity > Help > »Fast Help (in Internet browser)«: "Apparently you have not installed the Help." How to correct that?
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10:01<nbags>DataGhostS: hey i don't know apt inside-out but i've had trouble with apt pulling testing instead of stable. i fixed it by putting APT::Default-Release "stable"; in apt.conf. in your case that would be 'oldstable'
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10:02<DataGhostS>nbags, my main point is that apt complains about not being able to find the package for wheezy, while without -t it clearly states it is fetching it for wheezy (apart from the obvious version bump)
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10:03<brian>?
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10:10<nbags>apt-get -t is kinda scary. and its way past my bedtime
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10:11<nocturnal>target release? I've only ever used that for backports and that was a while ago when postgresql 9.1 was not in squeeze ports.
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10:12<nocturnal>then I pin the package
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10:14<nbags>nocturnal: yeah i was pinning but it didn't seem to work. but now i've noticed there is a difference between pinning using 'stable' and using 'wheezy'. i falsely assumed i could use them interchangeably and preferred to use the codename. but now i've discovered they have different effects and i suspect thats where my pinning may have gone wrong
10:15<export>heyy i have a quick question that i bet someone knows lol...if i use a nvidia card instead of my onboard intel graphics. Could i blacklist the i915 module so it doesn't cause any problems at boot-time? and not have problems?
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10:16<nbags>export: what about disabling it in the bios?
10:16<nbags>possible?
10:16<nbags>export: are you having problems now?
10:17<export>i have done that but it throws out errors at boot-time and also i have a real issue with it sometimes switching to a black screen at boot and im trying to find a possibel solution
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10:17<export>it works good now though (for now)
10:17<nbags>export: i guess its worth a try. but i would think disabling it in bios, or on board with a jumper would be idealk
10:18<nbags>*ideal
10:18<export>ahhh the jumpers you know i never thought of that really lol i didn't know if it would be a driver thing or what
10:19<export>it seems well documented but usually the 'solution' is to install the nvidia drivers which are terribly bad XD
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10:19<nbags>export: i remember disabling onboard video with jumpers when onboard video was first around, but i dont know if thats still a common thing
10:20<export>ill look into it if blacklisting doesn't help :D
10:20<export>thanks for the hint i suppose XD
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10:20<nbags>export: hmmm. so this problems/errors are happening before X starts?
10:21<nbags>if its just the x driver you could uninstall the intel x driver, or config X so it doesnt load
10:21<nbags>.... probably better than blacklisting
10:22<export>sorta its like when bios passes the payload to the os it goes blank but its not hung i can still reboot and i installed the nouveau drivers? and i blacklisted the i915 i'm pretty certain its the onboard but i still have a test XD just to be sure
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10:26<linkit87>Hi all, i have a problem with samba, anyone can help me?
10:26<export>brb gotta test a few things XD
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10:27<linkit87>I've configured samba and it works well but some sometimes I have to restart the deamon to make it work
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10:35<linkit87>Anyone can help?
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10:51<export>okay so i uninstalled the xserver-xorg-video-intel package and also blacklisted the i915 and it doesn't exeist anymore for the dmesg so i suppose everything is okay XD nothing has crashed or anything so unless anyone has any suggestions i guess i got it XD
10:52<export>idk if it's still gonna black screen on me but i guess ill find out eventually XP
10:52<towo`>export, what are you doin?
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10:54<export>ah forgive me i got caught up and its very early lol havent been to bed XD...i was suffering from the rare issue where my machine will (sometimes) boot too a black screen (still functional) just no picture so i went in to blacklist the i915 that is onboard graphics which i shouldn't need because i just got a nvidia geforce 6200
10:54<export>and i'm trying to find out if anyone thinks this could be a bad thing?
10:55<towo`>export, lspci | grep -i vga
10:55<export>all i get with that is my nvidia card
10:56<towo`>export, and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log sayes what?
10:56<export>one moment
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10:57<export>what should i be looking for?
10:57<towo`>paste the whole log
10:57<towo`>at best to paste.debian.net
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10:59<export>it doesn't all show up on screen lol
11:00<export>one moment and ill have that on pastebin
11:01<export>http://paste.debian.net/14166/
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11:02<export>i only see 4 errors and they don't seem to important because well X is still working right now XD
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11:06<export>i also blacklisted the i915 because i think it was erroring out anyways so i'm guessing if i didn't need it then i shouldn't now? but idk if there is something i'm not seeing
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11:17<infrid>hi
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11:26<Riothamus>What does this error mean: "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing"
11:26<Stummi>why do you think thats an error?
11:27<sney>yeah, it's not even a warning, it's just letting you know
11:27<Riothamus>Thanks, I thought update-rc.d would display the series of links it is creating. That's what I was looking for. I will check to see if it worked.
11:28<Riothamus>Thanks, I know that was a newbie questino.
11:28<Riothamus>question.
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11:51<g-debian> I NEED THE DEBIAN INSTALLER FILES HOW
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11:52<sney>o_o
11:52<rev>huh
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12:31<Enduring>I downloaded the amd64 dvd 1 and i'm curious about the other 2. how important are they? what do they include?
12:31<movl>Enduring, you cn install using the 1st
12:31<movl>the others include extra packages
12:31<movl>if you have a decent network connection, you don't really need them
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12:32<Enduring>how do I download them once i boot into the install?
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12:33<movl>them being the extra packages?
12:33<Enduring>yes
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12:33<movl>using apt-get and aptitude, I'd do some reading on Debian package management first
12:33<movl>or synaptic, if you want to go GUI
12:34<Enduring>is there an apt-get install package 2 command or something?
12:34<movl>yes
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12:34<movl>for example, if you wish to install vim, you type 'apt-get install vim'
12:34<Enduring>i know that
12:34<Enduring>but im asking about it all in one package
12:35<Enduring>other than the dvd
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12:35<movl>I'm not sure I follow
12:36<Argure>Enduring: the dvd's aren't one 'big package' either and aren't intended to be used that way.
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12:36<movl>oh
12:36<Argure>it's basically for people who have a slow network connection to pick and choose the packages they want to use.
12:36<Enduring>oh
12:36<Argure>and just using all of the packages on the dvd's isn't necessary, recommended or wise
12:37<Enduring>right
12:37<Enduring>i get it now
12:37<Argure>unless you want twenty different editors, four different desktop environments, etc.
12:37<Enduring>lol ok
12:37<Argure>assuming your network isn't terrible, just use apt with your favourite package manager to get the packages you want.
12:38<Enduring>i ran apt-get autoremove about 20 min ago and it erased the entire OS so im starting over..
12:38<Argure>autoremove shouldn't do that.
12:38<Enduring>it was right after i installed gcc
12:38<Enduring>recommended i run the command
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12:39<Enduring>i might be able to find a log
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12:39<Argure>autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed.
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12:47<Enduring>part of the log..
12:47<Enduring>http://pastebin.com/KevDgfg8
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12:51<Enduring>all the logs are in there but it doesnt say the line when i tried apt-get install gcc because i noticed the latesed version was 4.8.1 and synaptic installed 4.7
12:52<Enduring>I know to pay more attention next time though..
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13:40<juliocesar>hi
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13:48<ekiwok>after upgrading debian to squeezee I'm loosing ssh connection some pasta: http://pastebin.com/zW8tiMAw http://pastebin.com/D7L4F4aS
13:49<ekiwok>I'm doing it on VPS so I'm loosing access pernamently and have to restore to squeezee
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13:49<cusco>disk space?
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14:05<mshuler>ekiwok: log into your VPS via the console - if your VPS provider doesn't have console access, get another VPS provider
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14:05<mshuler>or fire up another VPS, restore from your backups, and shut down the hosed one
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14:09<marcos>oi
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14:12<metalqga>quick question, debian wheezy, i'm in tty1 after using ctrl+alt+f1, usually ctrl+alt+f7 should bring me back to Xorg, but it's no longer working. How can I switch back to my running Xorg server?
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14:12<retrospectacus>it might be on F8
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14:12<metalqga>already tried all Function keys :)
14:13<retrospectacus>can you see X running? 'ps ax|grep X'
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14:14<metalqga>its playing a video clip right now
14:14<Calinou>(people still use TTYs? :P)
14:14<Calinou>but that's just me
14:14<metalqga>by the way I cannot switch back to any other tty except tt1
14:15<metalqga>yup, tty1 top k id 9
14:15<metalqga>:)
14:16<musca>metalqga: alt-F7
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14:16<metalqga>not working :(
14:17<retrospectacus>must be something about your keyboard
14:17<metalqga>i've looked up on google and haven't found anybody complaining about that... :(
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14:17<trico>ctrl alt f7
14:18<metalqga>so just to make sure, you can switch back and forth the ttys?
14:18<retrospectacus>he cannot at all - stuck on TTY1
14:18<trico>yes, f1, f2, sometimes f8 if you restart x
14:18<metalqga>yes retrospectacus, tty1 and irssi
14:19<retrospectacus>metalqga: irssi uses Alt to switch between channels - does that work?
14:19<retrospectacus>e.g. alt-1
14:19<musca>hmm, alt + [cursor right] , alt + [cursor left]
14:20<retrospectacus>yes
14:20<metalqg>nope alt is not working
14:20<retrospectacus>is that a keyboard with AltGr too?
14:21<Calinou>metalqg: are you on a laptop
14:21<metalqga>yes on the right, it is not working too
14:21<Calinou>if so, might be fn+ctrl+alt+f7
14:21<metalqga>yes laptop
14:21<Calinou>some laptops need "fn" keys
14:21<Calinou>mostly macs
14:21<metalqga>just to clarify, i've been using squeeze for years on this machine and this has not happened ever
14:22<metalqga>i'm gonna do a reboot
14:22<metalqga>quit
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14:24<ptrk>are testing images from /daily-builds created using "isohybrid" technique? i tried to dd them directly to usb stick but this doesn't seem to be valid.
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14:26<metalqga>ok for some reason my alt key is not working
14:26<metalqga>thank you for the help, i'm gonna investigate further by my own
14:26<mbentley>ptrk: what image in specific?
14:26<retrospectacus>ptrk: they are for devs testing the installer; I wouldn't expect them to work. Install wheezy and upgrade or try a non-"daily" one
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14:28<ptrk>mbentley: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
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14:30<ptrk>retrospectacus: well, they are also for anyone wanting to get the latest version of testing distribution (without updating from stable, which can become quite old in the meantime)
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14:32<retrospectacus>they are daily builds of the installer which the DDs are working on for the next release. They are not expected to work all the time
14:33<ptrk>retrospectacus: the image is probably fine, the thing i'm trying to find out is whether it is or not 'isohybrid'.
14:33<ptrk>it seems to me it's not
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14:35<ptrk>there are also /weekly-builds but i doubt they differ a lot
14:36<ptrk>(in that matter)
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14:41<mbentley>looking in .disk/mkisofs, i do see a mention of isohybrid
14:42<mbentley>sorry for the pastebin (paste.debian.net doesn't wrap lines) http://pastebin.com/edR4nDYj
14:43<mbentley>that being said, i don't know what you can do to identify iso-hybrid exactly
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14:45<ptrk>mbentley: yep, it's mentioned there
14:47<mbentley>ptrk: it's iso-hybrid
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14:48<mbentley>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=93644#p472330
14:48<ptrk>does it use gpt table?
14:48<mbentley>http://paste.debian.net/14209/
14:49<mbentley>win2k iso for comparison >> http://paste.debian.net/14210/
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14:52<ptrk>mbentley: so the first 512 bytes of this iso are MBR?
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14:53<ptrk>can you try running: parted debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso print
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14:53<ptrk>it gives me an error about corrupted GPT tables
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14:54<mbentley>i see... Warning: /home/mbentley/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition tables. Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an msdos partition table. Is this a GPT partition table?
14:54<mbentley>i would assume it is not
14:55<ptrk>and fdisk -l says WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on 'debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
14:55<mbentley>hmm
14:55<mbentley>i'm not really sure to be honest. my wheezy iso-hybrid images give valid output when i run them through parted
14:56<mbentley>don't have anything jessie though
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14:56<ptrk>parted shows valid partition table for them?
14:56<mbentley>for one of my images i created with live-build
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14:57<mbentley>not for debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
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14:58<ptrk>and what is the partitioning scheme for the working image. classic msdos?
14:58<mbentley>yes
14:59<mbentley>http://paste.debian.net/14212/
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15:01<ptrk>allright, thanks for help. i'm going to download stable netinst and see what it's going to produce. your image is custom built so it might be different.
15:01<mbentley>my debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso image throws the same error and i am fairly certain i used that to install wheezy on my desktop via usb before. did you dd to the actual usb drive?
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15:01<mbentley>by to the actual usb drive, i mean not to a partition but the whole device?
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15:05<ptrk>mbentley: yes i just tried writing it (to the whole device of course -- /dev/sdb). parted gives the same output as it did for iso file
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15:08<ptrk>maybe i should try booting from it, but it can't possibly work if there is no valid MBR
15:09<stderr>You have verified the md5sum, right?
15:13<ptrk>stderr: i guess it's no longer available for my 29-06-2013 iso. but mybentley got the same results for his.
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15:13<stderr>Ok.
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15:33<StarFscker>Hello friendly folks.
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15:34<StarFscker>I hate gtk-window-decorator
15:34<StarFscker>It's ugly. I have emerald installed
15:34<StarFscker>but it doesn't render correctly
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15:42<spacenavigator>I want DOS to :http://www.europarm.fr/
15:42<spacenavigator>Je veux un DOS pour : http://www.europarm.fr/
15:43<SamB>!freedos
15:43<dpkg>FreeDOS is a free implementation of the Disk Operating System. http://www.freedos.org/ #fd-user and #freedos on irc.i7c.org, ##freedos on irc.freenode.net. See also <dosbox>.
15:43<SamB>spacenavigator: send them that
15:43<spacenavigator>daily of service !
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15:46<spacenavigator>who follow me for a DOS ?
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15:46<miguel>hola
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15:56<cookiemany>Hallo
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16:02<xelll>To use or not to use a separate boot partition. Anyone can tell me why people uses it?
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16:03<xelll>i am about to try debian for the first time and don't know whether to do separate partition or not
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16:05<mtn>xelll: for what it is worth, I never use one. you could do some searching for info on the topic.
16:06<xelll>i am reading about it mtn, some say it is "old fashioned" and not neccessary and other says it's essential
16:06<mtn>xelll: obviously not essential.
16:06<xelll>you're right i never used it
16:06<xelll>and i'm still alive
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16:07<xelll>thanks mtn
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16:07<mtn>xelll: welcome and have fun
16:07<retrospectacus>I think the most common reason is so you can (more easily) encrypt or raid /
16:07<xelll>also, would you recommend ext4 over ext3?
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16:09<xelll>okay i cannot wait to install it :P i'm going with all default options
16:09<xelll>thanks all
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16:10<clopez>I love codesearch.d.o :) << http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=fuck
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16:25<kusanagi>is there a way to check if a file format is gz or xz?
16:26<retrospectacus>kusanagi: the "file" command should tell you
16:27<retrospectacus>$ file yourfile
16:27<kusanagi>retrospectacus, i tried that. is a vmlinuz
16:27-!-svein [~svein@ti0151a341-dhcp0334.bb.online.no] has joined #debian
16:27<kusanagi>it says vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64: x86 boot sector
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16:28<retrospectacus>mine says /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.2.0-4-686-pae (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) #1 SMP Debian , RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA
16:29<blubberdiblub>and mine says: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.2.0-4-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) #1 SMP Debian 3., RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA
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16:29<blubberdiblub>(so it's not an amd64 issue)
16:29<kusanagi>it still do not says the compression :/
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16:30<blubberdiblub>ours do. so maybe your "file" is too old?
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16:30<mgv>blubberdiblub, retrospectacus: on sid it only says 'x86 boot sector'
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16:30<kusanagi>im in a testing chroot :S
16:30<mgv>kusanagi: try file -k filename
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16:30<mgv>that should tell you both
16:31<mgv>/boot/vmlinuz-3.9-1-amd64: x86 boot sector\012- Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.9-1-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) #1 SMP Debian 3.9., RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA PE32+ executable (EFI application) x86-64 (stripped to external PDB), for MS Windows
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16:32<kusanagi>I think they switched to xz in 3.9 and my xen have problems with that
16:32<kusanagi>i just detached the disk to for testing... ill try the -k now, thank you mgv
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16:33<mgv>kusanagi: try also looking through th kernel config
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16:33<mgv>it is at /boot/config-VERSION-ARCH
16:33<kusanagi>mgv, I have actually checked the config file for my local machine that have the same kernel and it says yes,
16:33<kusanagi>it uses xz
16:34<kusanagi>i was wondering about the 3.2 that booted alright
16:34<mgv>oh
16:34<kusanagi>and have no config file
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16:34<mgv>I'll check a 3.2 npw
16:34<mgv>now*
16:34<kusanagi>thanks!
16:34<mgv>3.2 is CONFIG_KERNEL_GZIP=y
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16:35<mgv>so yes, they switched to xz somewhere from 3.2 to 3.9
16:35<kusanagi>damn... i dont know much about running my own kernel and stuff
16:36<kusanagi>and i dont have time for this xD
16:36<kusanagi>thank you mgv
16:36<mgv>kusanagi: no problem
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17:33<arand__>Does a default wheezy server comes with iptables accepting everything? (so no "port opening" should be required?)
17:34<arand__>I'm trying to set up an OpenTTD game server, and it's working on another non-Debian computer, but not on my wheezy server.
17:35<retrospectacus>yes
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17:39<ekiwok>after upgrading debian to squeezee I'm loosing ssh connection some pasta: http://pastebin.com/zW8tiMAw http://pastebin.com/D7L4F4aS
17:39<ekiwok>I'm doing it on VPS so I'm loosing access pernamently and have to restore to squeeze
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17:45<retrospectacus>ekiwok: we've already told you several times what to do
17:46<retrospectacus>though you probably missed this 5-6 hrs ago...
17:46<retrospectacus>11:05 < mshuler> ekiwok: log into your VPS via the console - if your VPS provider doesn't have console access, get another VPS provider
17:46<retrospectacus>11:05 < mshuler> or fire up another VPS, restore from your backups, and shut down the hosed one
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17:49<retrospectacus>ekiwok: of course there is no such known problem with squeeze-wheezy upgrade. It is something to do with your VPS system; talk to the provider about it. We definitely can't help you if you can't read the logs etc.
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19:08<Chav>I'm using Debian Wheezy as a proxy server on my LAN. Is there any way of using it to force DNS requests from a particular brand of web browser on my LAN to go to a different set of servers to the rest of my activity?
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19:16<alexis_>Hello all, is there a GUI to configure my login manager? I currently want to change lightdm for gdm or xdm
19:18<alexis_>something like ubuntu tweaks but for debian
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19:22<abrotman>alexis_: dpkg-reconfigure lightdm ... should allow you to switch it out
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19:22<alexis_>command not found abrotman
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19:23<retrospectacus>dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root.
19:23<nevyn>alexis_: update-alternatives --configure x-window-manager
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19:24<alexis_>retrospectacus, [ ok ] Reloading system message bus config...done. that's all i get
19:24<retrospectacus>alexis_: don't ask me, I didn't tell you to run it
19:25<alexis_>sorry retrospectacus i thought this was the help channel
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19:26<retrospectacus>alexis_: my answer is, just install the new login manager and it should take place of lightdm
19:27<abrotman>you can change it manually
19:27<alexis_>can i make lightdm remember the users in a dropdown menu or something like that?
19:28<retrospectacus>can't say I've ever had >1 login manager installed
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20:11<thiagopriest>there is anyone else who have not migrated permanently to Wheezy?
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20:13<retrospectacus>thiagopriest: certainly...
20:15<thiagopriest>I still think the wheezy somewhat unstable...
20:16<retrospectacus>thiagopriest: do you have a support question??
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20:18<thiagopriest>retrospectacus: no, I'm a big fan of GNOME 2.30 (Desktop) || on servers, I believe that migrate smoothly
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20:21<retrospectacus>thiagopriest: xfce4 is a suitable replacement to gnome 2.30 IMO
20:22<thiagopriest>I know, and MATE...but still not the same thing
20:23<retrospectacus>debian does not include MATE
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20:23<retrospectacus>but you cannot continue using gnome2 forever
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20:23<thiagopriest>I know, but is another option
20:24<thiagopriest>why not? (GNOME2 forever....) kkkk
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20:24<abrotman>well, wheezy does not
20:25<retrospectacus>thiagopriest: simply because it is not in any newer release. I guess you can run squeeze forever but things will stop working, no security updates, no new software, no support here, ...
20:26<thiagopriest>with GNOME 3 already can use enigmail for PGP? // I had problems with it
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20:28<thiagopriest>retrospectacus: I know, I am still in the process of migration. I only work in an environment 100% stable
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20:28<retrospectacus>enigmail is available in all debian releases. I've never used it, and I don't know what you're asking
20:28<SamB>Isn't that just an icedove issue?
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20:29<SamB>I mean that's not GNOME-specific is it?
20:29<thiagopriest>I believe the problem is with icedove
20:32<thiagopriest>I believe... Icedove 10.0.12-1 is not compatible with enigmail
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20:33<abrotman>doubtful
20:34<thiagopriest>I had problems...
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20:35<thiagopriest>but not yet updated to version 7.1...
20:35<retrospectacus>presumably a newer icedove may have addressed this bug (do you have a bug number?) and I don't see how gnome is related
20:36<SamB>ask not if icedove is compatible with enigmail, but if enigmail is compatible with iceweasel
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20:36<thiagopriest>Yeah, was not speaking evil of the GNOME
20:36<SamB>(or, perhaps more to the point, with which versions it is compatible)
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20:37<retrospectacus>or, yes, perhaps a newer enigmail may have addressed this bug (do you have a bug number?)
20:37<thiagopriest>I love GNOME, I also translation...
20:37<thiagopriest>there is no bug
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20:38<abrotman>...
20:39<MJX>The Gnome is more batter than KDE?
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20:40<retrospectacus>mmmm.... batter
20:40<SamB>I'm pretty sure that's off-topic
20:40<abrotman>MJX: depends on your point of view, try them both and decide for yourself
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20:44<MJX>How do you think ?
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20:44<abrotman>i'm waiting for your opinion
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20:48<MJX>I don't know ,when I install the ubuntu on my PC,I feel that the Gnome have less function ,so I install the kubuntu ...
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20:49<thiagopriest>Ubuntu?? ...
20:49-!-krozus__ [~krozus@199.254.238.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:49<MJX>yeah...
20:49<MJX>Not Debian
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20:52<MJX>The ubuntu is a very big garbage
20:52<abrotman>not related to #debian, thank you
20:53<MJX>I'm sorry
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20:55<MJX>I am a rookie...
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20:59<MJX>Can you tell me that which Terminal is better?
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21:00<abrotman>try them all, decide for yoursel
21:00<abrotman>yourself
21:00<SamB>!twb-fix
21:00<MJX>Thanks
21:00<SamB>still missing huh
21:01*SamB wonders how you add a factoid
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21:12<MJX>Who can use the TOR software now.I have tired but it failed
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21:14<abrotman>what fails?
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21:19<MJX>Cannot connect the server, I think the ISP blockaded it, I have tired the bridges ,failed too
21:19<MJX>China ,you know that ...
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21:32<lalo>hola
21:33<lalo>holA Q TAL
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22:26<Theorix>fly me a kite.
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22:46<export>hey i'm having an issue with setting my path on login. lightdm doesn't seem to want to execute .profile or any of the dot-files in my home directory
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22:47<export>so my question is this. how can i go about setting a path for just my user whilst using lightdm
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23:03<linuxlite>hey
23:03<export>hi
23:04<linuxlite>how are you today
23:05<retrospectacus>!chat
23:05<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
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23:06<linuxlite>ok well i just wanna know how to use this thing called linux
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23:08<export>troll? XD
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