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02:55<Nik05>hey guys
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06:14<samantha>Did the old nv drivers get stricken from Wheezy?!
06:15<towo`>what are old nv drivers?
06:15<samantha>it's an Xorg driver for Nvidia cards
06:16<samantha>it's what was usually used before everyone switched to Nouveau
06:16<samantha>I just happen to have a few ancient machines that aren't supported properly by the new driver
06:16<towo`>xserver-xorg-video-nv is dead since years
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06:16<towo`>which card does not work with nouveau
06:17<samantha>It's a GeForce2 MX according to lspci
06:17<samantha>it's out of an old iMac G4
06:17<towo`>they should work with nouveau
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06:17<samantha>well... it doesn't ;)
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06:18<towo`>"it doesn't" sayes nothing
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06:19<samantha>not a clue. The log doesn't show any errors but when the display manager comes up it's less than 256 colors it looks like
06:19<samantha>not even readable at ALL
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06:20<samantha>and startx gives me a blank screen
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06:21<samantha>WOAH! there it goes
06:22<samantha>yeah... it's at least =<256 colors
06:22<Zaba>that's... not really a technical description of the problem
06:23<Zaba>does it work in os x?
06:23<towo`>a look in /var/log/X0rg.0.log would enlighten us
06:23<Zaba>(or mac os 9)
06:24<samantha>sure, let me figure out how to pastebin the log with only the terminal
06:24<towo`>samantha, apt-get install pastebinit
06:24<samantha>I don't know if it works in OSX since I lost the disks years ago but it worked in Debian 6 (I had it running the NV drivers then)
06:24<stderr>samantha: Can you put the output of xdpyinfo on ?
06:24<samantha>towo` thanks
06:25<samantha>by the way, I appreciate the help. sorry if I seemed snappy a minute ago.
06:27<towo`>nouveau.modeset=0 nomodeset
06:27<towo`>so nouveau can't work at all
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06:28<towo`>nouveau does only work with KMS enabled
06:28<samantha>oh... so if I set nomodeset it fails?
06:28<towo`>[12:28] <towo`> nouveau does only work with KMS enabled
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06:29<samantha>Hmm... the thing is, the reason I set nomodeset is because the system crashes at startup.
06:29<samantha>sec, let me see if I can't grab the error it gives
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06:34<samantha>Ah! There we go! "fb: conflicting fb hw usage nouveaufb vs 0Ffb NVDA,NVMac - removing generic driver."
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06:34<samantha>and then the screen slowly fades to splotchy/white
06:35<Zaba>samantha, if you boot into the openfirmware console, is there any display corruption?
06:35<g-user>I install Docky bar via this commend sudo apt-get install docky but The 3D Dock Mode does not active. The image : . My system is debian7 with gnome 3,4
06:35<samantha>Zaba: how do I do that?
06:35<Zaba>samantha, cmd-option-o-f after startup before the OS boots
06:36<Zaba>that's win-alt-o-f on a PC keyboard
06:36<samantha>Zeba: Nope! It's fine!
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06:37<towo`>it seems, the nvidiafb from kernel is used
06:37<towo`>this module should be blacklisted
06:37<samantha>blacklist nvidiafb?
06:37<samantha>good idea
06:37<towo`>after blacklisting rebuild initrd
06:38<g-user>I install Docky bar via this commend sudo apt-get install docky but The 3D Dock Mode does not active. The image : . My system is debian7 with gnome 3,4
06:38<stderr>g-user: I don't have a solution to your problem, but your clock is way off.
06:38<towo`>g-user, glxinfo | grep -i render
06:38<samantha>towo` Thank you very much. I'll try that but it'll take a while on this old heap!
06:39<Zaba>rebuilding initrd shouldn't take a while even on that
06:40<samantha>Nah, it's the fact that I have to reboot it few times to see if it worked or not
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06:40<Zaba>does that take long?
06:41<Zaba>heh, odd. It seems to me that booting and shutting down are the only things my power mac g4 does fast. :P
06:42<g-user>towo, this isnt working
06:42<towo`>what isn't working?
06:42<towo`>that is only a command to find out, if hardware 3d works on your system
06:42<g-user>this glxinfo | grep -i render
06:43<stderr>why isn't it working?
06:44<stderr>If you get an error message, you're more than welcome to tell us. It often makes it easier to help.
06:46<samantha>Gah... it's still glitching on startup
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06:47<samantha>let me make sure I did everything correctly
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06:58<samantha>that's really odd... I'm still getting the error after blacklisting nouveaufb in /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf and then running update-initramfs -u
06:59<samantha>and I checked, modprobe nouveaufb doesn't work
06:59<Zaba>you were supposed to blacklist nvidiafb
06:59<gsimmons>samantha: nvidiafb isn't part of the Debian Linux kernel images anymore, blacklisting it won't accomplish anything.
06:59<gsimmons>dpkg: nvidiafb
06:59<dpkg>The nvidiafb and rivafb framebuffer drivers were removed from Debian Linux kernel images at linux 3.2.20-1 (closes Debian bugs #383481, #609615). The <nouveau> driver supports all the same hardware, aside from the RIVA 128 (NV3).
07:00<Zaba>that too
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07:00<Zaba>samantha, you're probably having a conflict with the open firmware framebuffer driver
07:01<samantha>okay... what should I blacklist?
07:01<samantha>yeah... nvidiafb isn't a module on the system
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07:02<samantha>oh, probably OFfb, right?
07:02<Zaba>something like that, yes
07:02<samantha>too bad OFfb isn't a module >.<
07:03<towo`>"fb: conflicting fb hw usage nouveaufb vs 0Ffb NVDA,NVMac - removing generic driver." but this message sayes, there is used another framebuffer driver
07:03<Zaba>towo`, yes, OFfb
07:03<samantha>yes, indeed
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07:04<samantha>but neither 0Ffb or OFfb are modules when I try to modprobe them
07:04<Zaba>samantha, pastebin lsmod
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07:04<towo`>maybe uvesa or vesa
07:04<Zaba>towo`, no
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07:05<peter1139>I like my consoles to be in 80x25 text mode, personally...
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07:05<samantha>peter1139: me too... it's just I have to allow for modesetting or nouveau won't work but the framebuffer driver is making my boot hang
07:06<Calinou>well, nouveau
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07:06<Calinou>also, who uses consoles 8)
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07:06<Calinou>if you want to go "personally"
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07:06<peter1139>Not for years :)
07:06<peter1139>Or, on a server when installing it, heh.
07:06<Zaba>papamoose, good thing that those open firmware boxes have no 80x25 text mode in the traditional sense
07:06<Zaba>er, peter1139
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07:07<peter1139>It's quite frustrating when they switch to a video mode and then the text scrolls by really really slowly...
07:07<peter1139>Zaba, oh no!
07:07<Zaba>peter1139, oh yes
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07:10<Zaba>samantha, what's CONFIG_FB_OF set to in your kernel config?
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07:10<samantha>Zaba: Oh god... it's been ages since I ever rebuilt a kernel. I'm using the generic.
07:11<Zaba>samantha, fgrep CONFIG_FB_OF /boot/config-<whatever it is>
07:11<samantha>Zaba: CONFIG_FB_OF=y
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07:12<Zaba>samantha, also, what's in /proc/fb?
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07:14<samantha>Zaba: 0 OFfb NVDA,NVMac
07:14<Zaba>so well... I suppose you -could- build a kernel without the open firmware framebuffer driver and see if nouveau actually works on that system
07:15<samantha>yeah... that's the sense I was getting >.>
07:15<Zaba>unless, of course, you can tell it to use a different driver through some kernel command line arguments
07:15<Zaba>probably worth researching that
07:16<Zaba>since building a kernel on that machine wouldn't be your best time investment ever
07:16<samantha>yes, I'll definitely research that
07:16<samantha>also, this machine is supposed to be near-zero-maintinance
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07:16<Calinou>>nouveau >near-zero-maintainance
07:16<samantha>I've spent more time debugging this than this machine has gotten in the last three years >.<
07:16<Zaba>uh, that's only if you run an OS it was made for
07:18<samantha>gotta love Debian though... it's one of the few distros left that ships a powerpc port
07:18<Zaba>my power mac g4 is nearly zero-maintenance :P
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07:19<Calinou>it's the only used one :P
07:19<samantha>there's a couple others but they only seem to support playstations >.>
07:20<Zaba>but that's because I'm not trying to shoehorn linux onto it
07:20<Zaba>but to each their own, I guess :P
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07:21<samantha>these G4 iMacs were almost zero maintinance for years running Debian!
07:21<samantha>but then Wheezy had to come along and spoil my fun ;_;
07:21<Zaba>well, then it's your own fault for changing a funning system :P
07:21<Zaba>what's with me and typing
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07:21<Zaba>clearly nv didn't conflict with OFfb
07:21<samantha>how much more support is oldstable going to get? two years, right?
07:22<Zaba>and nouveau that is supposed to replace it was clearly never tested properly on anything but PC hardware
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07:22<Calinou>samantha: you can't run linux on a playstation since 2010
07:22<Zaba>because nothing but PCs has nvidia GPUs, right?
07:22<Calinou>anyway, consoles suck 8)
07:22<Zaba>Calinou, unofficially, you can, though it's not like it's a good general-purpose computer either way
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07:22<Calinou>Zaba: tablets/smartphones with tegras have nvidia GPUs by definition
07:22<Calinou>but you can't use it
07:23<Calinou>nouveau doesn't even support GK106/GK110 already :-D
07:23<samantha>I understand the US government bought a whole warehouse full of playstations and set them up as a cluster supercomputer O.O
07:23<Calinou>means you're left with vesa (before installing nvidia) if you have a card with one of these GPUs
07:23<Calinou>Zaba: sony patched that long time ago
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07:23<Calinou>nouveau is not supposed to replace nv, it is reverse engineering
07:24<Calinou>nvidia doesn't support or hinder it
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07:24<Zaba>Calinou, nv is not the official nvidia driver, it's an old 2d-only driver for nvidia hardware
07:24<samantha>yup... an ancient FOSS driver that just HAPPENS to support my ancient hardware. Fancy that ;)
07:25<Zaba>samantha, well, it happens to support it by almost not utilizing it, and in particular by not conflicting with OFfb
07:25<Zaba>nouveau would surely work with a geforce2 on conventional PC hardware
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07:25<samantha>honestly, I don't care about 3d rendering
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07:26<Zaba>the geforce2 can't do much 3d anyway
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07:26<samantha>exactly ;)
07:26<greenit>hi, can any1 help me with openvpn or is this the wrong channel for such questions?
07:26<Zaba>I've got a gf2 MX440 in my power mac.. it can play glquake at 30 fps
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07:27<Calinou>Zaba: but it was made by nvidia and open source (but obfuscated)
07:27<Calinou>nouveau is truly open source, but not made by nvidia
07:27<Calinou>and supports 3D (but slow)
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07:28<samantha>greenit: You might try #openvpn unless this is debian specific. Also... try not to use txt-speek when asking for help.
07:28<greenit>samantha, ok, thx
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07:52<samantha>Whelp... I've gone through all the kernel tunables available and it looks like I'm just going to have to recompile the kernel
07:52<samantha>thanks everyone for all your help!
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07:53<babilen>samantha: In case you are not aware of it already: (with probably being most relevant for your problem))
07:54<samantha>babilen: Thanks! My main concern is that I don't want to have to do this manually again when the kernel gets updated >.>
07:55<paulio>Hello is there anyone who know vpn problematics? Protocols, solutions etc.
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07:56<babilen>samantha: I haven't read the backlog but simply noticed that you mentioned recompiling a kernel and I couldn't find a reference to the kernel handbook :-/
07:57<babilen>samantha: You would have to redo this every single time though - I am not entirely sure, but apt-src might help with that. It might also be appropriate to report a bug, which would allow you to (maybe?) use official packages again in the future.
07:58<samantha>babilen: Thanks anyway. If you're interested the problem is that the OFfb (openfirmware framebuffer) driver seems to be a gremlin on my fleet of old iMac G4s
07:58<babilen>samantha: blast from the past!
07:58<babilen>samantha: It's been a while since I had to fiddle with openfirmware ..
07:58<samantha>babilen: Indeed! I'd chuck them if I didn't have some strange attachment to them
07:59<samantha>babilen: Those old 90's era macs were really built to last O.O
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08:00<samantha>I'm probably going to end up just swearing like a sailor when I see a kernel update then packaging a custom kernel as a .deb and serving it in a private repository to the fleet.
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08:14<andrew>Hi there, is this the correct channel to ask for help in regards to Intel Haswell Processors?
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08:14<abrotman>andrew: huh?
08:15<andrew>abrotman: I'm have a tough time getting debian to recognise my second monitor. (Which is plugged into my motherboard not GPU).
08:15<abrotman>not sure that's a CPU problem
08:15<andrew>It has integrated graphics though, so I thought that might be the problem and I might need some firmware that I can't seem to find.
08:16<abrotman>xrandr -q
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08:17<andrew>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 8192 x 8192
08:17<andrew>DVI-I-1 connected 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 510mm x 290mm
08:17<andrew> 1920x1080 60.0*+
08:17<andrew> 1680x1050 60.0
08:17<andrew> 1400x1050 60.0
08:17<andrew> 1600x900 60.0
08:17<andrew> 1280x1024 75.0 60.0
08:17<andrew> 1440x900 59.9
08:17<andrew> 1280x800 59.8
08:17<andrew> 1152x864 75.0
08:17<andrew> 1280x720 60.0
08:17<andrew> 1024x768 75.1 60.0
08:17<andrew> 832x624 74.6
08:17-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
08:17<andrew> 800x600 75.0 60.3 56.2
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08:17<abrotman>andrew: use a pastebin, please
08:18<abrotman>andrew: the +q will go away in a minute
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08:19<andrew>abrotman: Yes, sorry.
08:19<andrew>Here is the output even though it is connected.
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08:20<abrotman>thank you
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08:21<abrotman>is the power on? not that it shuld matter
08:21<andrew>Yes it is. ^^;
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08:21<abrotman>so the on-board is the HDMI ?
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08:22<andrew>No, it should be outputting to the D-SUB for some reason it isn't.
08:23<abrotman>i don't see a d-sub on there?
08:23<abrotman>is it possible your onboard is disabled when an add-on card is used?
08:24<abrotman>andrew: for instance, when i do mine, i see a VGA output for the d-sub
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08:25<andrew>Anything is possible, er, I didn't mean d-bus. Let me find to correct word for what I mean.
08:25<abrotman>the d-sub is a VGA, 15-pin output
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08:26<andrew>Yes, that's the one.
08:26<abrotman>right, see mine?
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08:27<andrew>Hmm, it's connected physically. I'm 101% sure of that. But how come it isn't coming up?
08:27<abrotman>so i'm wondering if adding a card via a slot, disables the on-board
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08:28<andrew>Hm, that's a possibility. It works under (heaven forgive me) Windows 7. So I'm unsure as to why it wouldn't on linux.
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08:29<andrew>Seems only to register inputs from my GPU.
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08:30<abrotman>oh, different chipset/driver, right ?
08:31<andrew>So, if because of my GPU it doesn't register inputs from my mothboard... Is there a way around this?
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08:32<andrew>The processor is intel, gpu is nvidia is this what you mean?
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08:36*anoncn_78 ciao
08:37<abrotman>andrew: i'd maybe ask #xorg on if what you're trying to do shuld work
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08:38<andrew>abrotman: Okay, thank you. Not sure if this helps:
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08:39<abrotman>andrew: not to me it doesn't ..
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08:39<andrew>abrotman: Okay, thanks for your help though! Very much appreciated!
08:40<abrotman>andrew: lspci -nn
08:40<abrotman>andrew: that will tell you if the hardware is even there
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08:43<andrew>abrotman: Well it is, so that's awesome. Now I just need to figure out why it isn't outputting to it.
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08:44*abrotman suspects the driver bit
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08:45<andrew>Hmm, does debian have drivers for this:
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08:51<abrotman>judd: pciid 8086:0412
08:51<judd>[8086:0412] is 'Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also
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08:52<Khades>hello, i have question
08:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:54<Khades>there's 7u1 and 7u2 packages, and apt preferes to install non updated one, why and how to beat it?
08:54<Khades>it seem thre's no prefernce in my apt mentioned
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08:58<Khades>meh some isp problems
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08:58<Khades>anyway, all debian 7u1 and 7u2 packages aren't prefered by apt
08:59<Khades>so i am stuck mostly on non-updated packages, what to do? i have no apt preferences files
08:59<stderr>Can you name one of those packages? Can you put your sources.list on
08:59*abrotman waits for someone to tell what 7u2 is
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09:00<Khades>abrotman: i think is like debian 7 update 2
09:00<abrotman>there's no such thing yet
09:00<abrotman>and it's not 7u1 either
09:00<dpkg>Debian 7.1 was released on June 15th, 2013. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at and . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
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09:01<Khades>!point release
09:01<dpkg>Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade». See <7.1>, <6.0.7>.
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09:02<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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09:05<Khades>strangely enough there was problem in libdrm-intel package, i updated it manualy and now i cant find other nonupdated package
09:05<Khades>allrighty then
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09:06<Khades>i just had crashes after closing 3d apps on kernel 3.4 from, it seem updating to libdrm-intel 7u2 fixed it, so i wondered why it didnt updated automatically
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09:07<Khades>i wish 3.9.6 worked allright but i has some grave bug
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09:09<babilen>Khades: Which bug is that? Could you give us the bug number in Debian's BTS ( )
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09:09<abrotman>so it sounds like a utter train wreck of a system?
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09:10<SynrG>wtf is 7u2? and where is the information we asked for above? apt-cache policy, etc.
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09:11<Khades>SynrG: i cant find non updated packages
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09:12<abrotman>SynrG: there's no such thing
09:12<SynrG>Khades: i can read. we need details.
09:12<stderr>v libdrm-intel
09:13<stderr>judd: v libdrm-intel
09:13<judd>No package named 'libdrm-intel' was found in i386.
09:13<SynrG>v libdrm-intel1
09:13<SynrG>oh, great, just great. now i'm copying *your* mistakes :)
09:13<SynrG>,v libdrm-intel1
09:13<judd>Package: libdrm-intel1 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4.21-1~squeeze3; squeeze-multimedia: 2.4.23-0.0; squeeze-backports: 2.4.26-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.4.40-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.4.45-3; sid: 2.4.45-3
09:14<SynrG>someone shoot me.
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09:14<Khades>might be just updated two times
09:14<SynrG>Khades: so would you please, please not cryptically quote fragments of version#s at us and expect us to know what the hell you're talking about :(
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09:16<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
09:16<SynrG>Khades: provide us with this information. without it, we cannot help you.
09:17<Khades>SynrG: its ok now
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09:18<SynrG>Khades: so you want to understand why it didn't work after the fact? you can look at your logs. /var/log/term.log* files might be interesting
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09:18<SynrG>Khades: also, seeing your apt-cache policy might still tell us why it failed before.
09:19<Khades>i have no such log
09:19<SynrG>because i typoed it
09:20<Khades>nothing special there
09:21<Khades>"downgrading to deb7u2"
09:21<Khades>well in russian
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09:23<Khades>SynrG: if you still interested
09:24<babilen>dpkg: tell Khades -about localised errors
09:24<Khades>babilen: that is log
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09:24<Khades>i was not intended to post it here
09:24<SynrG>babilen: yeah, unfortunately all we have is after the fact ...
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09:25<abrotman>Khades: please put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a
09:25<SynrG>this is highly suspicious:
09:25<SynrG>Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.4.52-030452-generic
09:25<abrotman>right .. clearly not Debian
09:26<abrotman>Khades: which distro are you using?
09:26<stderr><Khades> i just had crashes after closing 3d apps on kernel 3.4 from, it seem updating to libdrm-intel 7u2 fixed it, so i wondered why it didnt updated automatically
09:26<Khades>abrotman: wheezy with latest 3.4 lts kernel
09:26<abrotman>there is no LTS kernel in Debian
09:26<abrotman>and probably explains why your system is broken
09:26<Khades>that's not debian native kernel
09:27<Khades>kernels do not break package system
09:27<abrotman>there's no libdrm-intel in Debian either
09:27<Khades>there's libdrm-intel1
09:27<abrotman>Khades: so what's broken?
09:28<abrotman>and yes, a kenrel can break your package system
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09:28<Khades>abrotman: why then there's kernel-package?
09:28<abrotman>i said 'can'
09:29<Khades>but might not
09:29<abrotman>but might
09:29<SynrG>Khades: i'm still waiting to see your apt-cache policy output (in english). and i also note that you have both i386 and amd64 packages of libdrm-intel1, which means you are using multiarch. that could cause upgrade problems depending on what else you have installed (possibly mixed from other sources)
09:29<stderr>SynrG: I doubt we'll see it soon.
09:30<stderr>I asked for the sources.list half an hour ago. Haven't seen it yet.
09:30<SynrG>well, i'm an optimist. i'll have to say, i'm not encouraged by how this has gone so far ... but he did provide the term.log i asked for ... :)
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09:30<Khades>apt-show-version says strange things
09:31<stderr>Oh no...
09:31<abrotman>SHOW US IN A PASTEBIN
09:31<stderr>(in english!)
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09:32<babilen>Also include "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search ~o", "aptitude search ~b" and "aptitude search ~c" while you are at it Khades
09:33<babilen>yum, dotdeb and lots of third-party packages
09:33<stderr>Yes, damn it... How rude of us to try to help...
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09:33<Khades>stderr: i meant i already pasted apt-show-version without stuff babilen asked
09:34<abrotman>it's all sorts of mixed up
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09:34<Khades>it is pretty clean
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09:35<stderr>Khades: You're allowed to make more than one paste...
09:35<abrotman>i'ts broken, admin screwed up
09:35<abrotman>dotdeb should *never* be used
09:35<Khades>dotdeb has php -a
09:35<Khades>that debian doesnt have
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09:35<abrotman>dotdeb is a broken pile of shit
09:35<Khades>and it had zabbix before it went to backports
09:35<abrotman>and generally results in a broken packaging system
09:35<babilen>Khades: My impression is that your system is a clusterfuck of mismatched packages and the illicit lovechild of Frankendebian and Genbuntu-Susi. Please show me the output I requeted to convince me otherwise.
09:36<SynrG>we don't care what perceived benefits there were to you of screwing it up. we're not here to argue *why* you did what you did.
09:36<SynrG>but you did, in fact, screw it up.
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09:36<Khades>babilen: it has dotdeb, getdeb playdeb and i386, nothing so bad
09:36<SynrG>you asked why newer versions weren't installed? plain and simple, you shot yourself in the foot.
09:36<Khades>i screwed other system even more
09:36<Khades>jumped from stable to unstable and vice verca several times without reinstallation
09:37<abrotman>multiple times
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09:37<Khades>it was on old pc
09:37<Khades>it felt well
09:37<abrotman>operator error!
09:38<Khades>doom2 broke my apt
09:38<Khades>or enemy territory
09:38<abrotman>yeah, that was it
09:38<Khades>or even SKYYYYPE
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09:38<abrotman>clearly you know the problem, so get it fixed
09:39<Khades>i need skype
09:39<Khades>and et
09:39<stderr>Yes, someone else broke your system... Clearly it wasn't you...
09:39<Khades>and my xombrero
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09:39<Khades>and 32bit apps
09:39<babilen>Khades: Okay .. No idea where we could go from here, but if you want a working system then I would recommend to make sure that you use packages from Debian only and that you don't mix stable, testing and unstable as you see fit. Please ensure that you reach this consistent state before you ask us for help.
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09:40<Khades>It's just a flesh wound
09:41<stderr>Ok. Good luck.
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09:41<babilen>Khades: Either way, your system configuration is not supported by us.
09:41<abrotman>by anyone really ..
09:41<Khades>libkrb5-3 1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u1 newer than version in archive
09:41<Khades>that one is really bothering me
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09:42<abrotman>that's not a Debian package
09:42<Khades>it is
09:42<abrotman>judd: versions libkrb5-3
09:42<judd>Package: libkrb5-3 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.8.3+dfsg-4squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.8.3+dfsg-4squeeze7; squeeze-security: 1.8.3+dfsg-4squeeze7; jessie: 1.10.1+dfsg-5; sid: 1.10.1+dfsg-5; wheezy: 1.10.1+dfsg-5; wheezy-security: 1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u1; experimental: 1.11.3+dfsg-2
09:43<abrotman>oh, damn PDO is out of date again
09:43<Khades>my system is not as borken
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09:44<stderr>It's only 99.99999% broken.
09:45<Khades>sometimes voice in my head says i should pick ubuntu or arch
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09:45<abrotman>Khades: go for it, we won't stop you
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09:46<Khades>i cant make mess from ubunti
09:46<Khades>it is already too messed
09:46<abrotman>Khades: good luck
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09:46<stderr>libnotify-bin 0.7.5-1ppa1precise newer than version in archive
09:47<stderr>ppa? Isn't that an ubuntu-thing?
09:47<Khades>yes, that's some fixed version
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09:47<Khades>as well as newer libtag i had
09:47<abrotman>his system is an utter wreck .. and it's no longer on-topic here
09:47<stderr>Seems you're already using ubuntu too...
09:47<Khades>i installed mesa and libc from ubuntu
09:47<abrotman>he shuld go use Ubuntu or Arch, good luck
09:48<Khades>abrotman: i tend to use what i use on servers
09:48<abrotman>Khades: please stop wasting our time .. your system is broken, good luck
09:48<Khades>debian is too precious
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09:49<SynrG>Khades: if debian is precious, then respect this support channel and install a supported system. don't go rampantly mixing from other distros.
09:49<Khades>my first system was slackware
09:49<SynrG>we can help with debian only. not the frankendebian you're running now.
09:49<SynrG>if you still believe what you did was right, it's unlikely we will ever be able to help you.
09:50<babilen>Khades: Drop it. Come here once you run a pure Debian system in a supportable configuration.
09:50<Khades>systemwise it is debian
09:50<movl>with a ubuntu libc?
09:50<Khades>i dont have libc from ubuntu
09:50<Khades>i said i installed it once
09:50<Khades>not on that pc
09:50<babilen>Lets move on, please. Khades, last warning, drop it.
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09:51<abrotman>Khades: your system is not Debian. Please install a single distro and use it
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10:05<wolf> всем привет
10:05<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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10:44<fw73>hey guys
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10:45<fw73>crunchbang user
10:45<Khades>that's ok
10:46<abrotman>it is?
10:46<fw73>have any idea to open ftester
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10:46<abrotman>fw73: ask #crunchbang-linux on, this channel is for Debian support
10:47<fw73>hey how can i download full debian 7 os for offline installation?
10:48<abrotman>fw73:, there's a link for installation media
10:48<babilen>fw73: What consitutes "full" ?
10:48<babilen>dpkg: tell fw73 -about install debian
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10:48<weasel>you probably only want CD1 or maybe DVD1
10:49<fw73>mean with approx. all packages necessary for stable os or for my graphics support
10:49<babilen>fw73: You can download/create the entirety of our CD/DVD sets with jigdo if you *really* need every single package in Debian, but users are typically quite happy with either CD1 or DVD1 if all they want is a "base" installation with Xorg and a Desktop Environment of their choice.
10:49<fw73>or is there any driver installation manual for debian 7
10:49<babilen>fw73: Which graphic card?
10:50<fw73>amd HD 7730m
10:50<babilen>fw73: And which desktop environment (if any) would you like to use?
10:51<babilen>fw73: That card is supported by the radeon driver (not sure which version/kernel you need). It does, however, require firmware. I would recommend to download CD1 or DVD1 and the firmware.tar.gz which you would unpack to a usb stick (or the second partition if you install from USB) -- See <install debian> <installer firmware> and <usb install> for details.
10:52<fw73>one last ques. why to download both cd1 and dvd1
10:52<abrotman>just get DVD1
10:53<fw73>is there any difference in cd 1 and dvd1>
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10:54<babilen>fw73: yes, one is larger than the other and contains more packages. CD1 is IIRC sufficient to install a standard Gnome3 system, but if you don't have internet access you probably want DVD1.
10:54<babilen>fw73: Don't forget to download firmware from and unpack that to a USB stick (or the second partition if you install from USB)
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10:55<fw73>which desktop environment is best for good battery life?
10:55<fw73>iam using laptop
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10:56<babilen>fw73: I would like to stress however that installing a system in offline mode configures it to be used offline. (e.g. no online repository access is configured) -- I would generally recommend to install with internet access.
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10:58<susu>hi! I'm tring to install icecc on wheezy, however it's not found in wheezy repo. Also gives me an error.
10:58<abrotman>right, not in wheezy
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10:58<fw73>as i install gnome 3 and openbox in my system before in my laptop i got around 4 hour battery backup in openbox and 2:30 hours in gnome 3
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10:59<susu>abrotman: Is it intentional that icecc not in wheezy?
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11:00<babilen>susu: It was either not packaged by the time wheezy was frozen or too buggy to include it.
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11:00<blackheart>hello i wanna know that will gnome 3.4 on debain will be updated to gnome 3.8 ?
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11:01<susu>but icecc in squeeze, jessie and sid
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11:02<SynrG>fw73: did you take powertop to it to try to find out why?
11:02<babilen>susu: Then it was removed from wheezy due to bugs or other serious problems. I can hunt down the reason in a second if it is important to you. You can always backport later versions to wheezy by following the procedure in "/msg dpkg ssb"
11:02<susu>Should I backport icecc from sid or jessie?
11:02<susu>ok, thanks
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11:02<babilen>blackheart: Which version of Debian are you talking about? And we are almost there ...
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11:03<f8l>blackheart: Can you rephrase your question? I don't understand it. :-(
11:03<blackheart>sorry for bad english : i was taking about wheezy .
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11:04<blackheart>f8l: i was asking will gnome 3.4 on wheezy be updated to 3.8 ~ ?
11:04<babilen>blackheart: Wheezy is *stable* (that is "not changing") -- You will therefore *never* see a newer version in it.
11:04<babilen>dpkg: tell blackheart -about stable
11:04<SynrG>fw73: in general, i would be skeptical of claims that any particular desktop environment is better or worse than any other, and would instead focus on the specific agent or agents that cause excessive use of power
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11:05<blackheart>oh thanks
11:05<SynrG>that is, choose whatever one suits you best, then tune it, if necessary
11:05<fw73>thanks SynrG
11:05<fw73>thank u guys
11:05<blackheart>so gnome 3.8(or so) will come in debain 8
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11:06<SynrG>blackheart: something >= 3.8, yes
11:06<SynrG>likely some later version
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11:07<SynrG>!tell blackheart about testing
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11:07<babilen>blackheart: It is already packaged in Debian, just not available in the stable release. (nor will it ever)
11:08<babilen>dpkg: tell blackheart -about introduction
11:08<babilen>blackheart: I would also recommend to read (well, the whole book really)
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11:09<blackheart>and is debain just like are rolling release ?
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11:10<blackheart>debain testing*
11:10<blackheart>is debain testing just like arch rolling release ?
11:10<SynrG>it's debian, not debain. i don't know arch, so i have no basis for comparison.
11:11<SynrG>obviously arch and debian are quite different.
11:11<blackheart>debian * :P
11:11<Zaba>debian testing between freezes is kind of rolling
11:11<babilen>blackheart: No, testing is not a rolling release.
11:11<blackheart>for information
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11:13<blackheart>well i used arch for some months it was quite good but amount of packages were huge
11:14<blackheart>so i switched to
11:14<blackheart>debain 7
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11:14<babilen>blackheart: If you are interesting in running testing I would recommend to read and to ask questions in #debian-next -- Running testing is a bit tricky and you have to realise that you will have to put some time into it.
11:15<babilen>blackheart: In particular, at this point in the release cycle, you probably want to run a testing/unstable mix that allows you to pull packages as you see fit from unstable. See "/msg dpkg tum" for information on that.
11:17<blackheart>ok ~ put some time you mean maintaing the system (tinkering the packages ) ?
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11:19<babilen>blackheart: Yes, and learning about Debian packaging, system administration and Linux. There are some things that make testing tricky, but nothing that can't be dealt with if you know how to deal with it. Read the DebianUnstable wiki page I mentioned above to learn more.
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11:20<blackheart>ok !
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11:50<tgs3>in debian7, sandby-bridge intel gpu gives me problems, kernel crashes. any help?
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11:53<tgs3>I get [drm] MTRR allocation failed. Graphics performance may suffer.
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11:59<musca>tgs3: which kernel, which vga, which vga-driver?
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12:00<alexis_>HI all first time debian user here, i just installed debian 7.1 with LXDE. I get a low response time when opening windows or browsing heavy webs.
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12:00<alexis_>as if my hardware was not enough
12:00<alexis_>it runs fine with mint xfce
12:01<babilen>alexis_: Which GPU? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) What does "glxinfo|grep -iE 'render(er|ing)'" give you?
12:02<babilen>alexis_: You might want to paste that to
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12:03<alexis_>babilen, that's the output for both commands
12:04<alexis_>when i switch from windows to lets say synaptic, it takes a second or 2 to show the GUI
12:04<alexis_>flash webs loads my CPU at almost 100%
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12:05<babilen>alexis_: You are using the nvidia drivers aren't you? How did you install them?
12:05<alexis_>babilen, i installed it via m-a autoinstall
12:05<alexis_>that is the manual i followed
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12:06<babilen>alexis_: m-a has been deprecated for a while in favour of DKMS -- The seminal documentation is on
12:06<babilen>judd: v nvidia-driver
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12:06<judd>Package: nvidia-driver on i386 -- experimental/non-free: 319.17-1
12:06<babilen>judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms
12:06<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 304.88-3; sid/non-free: 304.88-3; experimental/non-free: 319.17-1
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12:07<alexis_>babilen, how do i find which version matches mine
12:07<alexis_>and how do i remove the old nvidia drivers install?
12:07<babilen>alexis_: That being said: The driver in wheezy (304) lacks quite a number of patches that that were developed to make steam run nice on linux and cause a massive speed up.
12:08<babilen>alexis_: You probably want a newer driver (i.e. the one from experimental) but i am simply not sure if you can easily backport that to wheezy.
12:08<alexis_>my onboard video is 7050
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12:08<alexis_>that does not sounds good lol
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12:09<babilen>alexis_: The driver version is what I can think of as difference between wheezy and mint. Version 313 of the nvidia driver is said to provide massive speedups ..
12:09<alexis_>can't i install that one in debian?
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12:10<babilen>319 is in experimental and I wouldn't necessarily recommend to install that directly ... What we normally recommend to users of the stable release is to backport packages from sid. This procedure of creating a backport is
12:10<babilen>dpkg: ssb
12:10<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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12:10<babilen>judd: checkbackport nvidia-kernel-dkms --fromrelease=experimental
12:10<judd>Backporting package nvidia-kernel-dkms in experimental→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
12:11<alexis_>even if i do that there's no guarantee it would work fine
12:11<musca>babilen: alexis_ 304.88 is the latest release to support geforce 7xxx
12:11<babilen>oh now
12:11<babilen>musca: Damn, thanks -- I should have checked that first.
12:12<alexis_>do i install it as the wiki says or do i first have to remove the old nvidia install?
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12:13<babilen>alexis_: i would remove the m-a ... read its manpage :)
12:13<babilen>But give me a second to check the support status for your GPU
12:13<alexis_>seems like i am in troubles :P
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12:14<musca>alexis_: no, there are legacy drivers in debian for really ancient vga
12:15<alexis_>musca, is my vga ancient?
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12:15<babilen> ← confirms that 304.xx was the last driver to support that chip.
12:15<alexis_>my fear comes out of knowing i don't have any idea how to properly uninstall my driver
12:15<babilen>alexis_: It is.
12:15<alexis_>if i uninstall it i lose my X right?
12:15<alexis_>thanks babilen
12:15<musca>alexis_: no, it's in the middle age ;)
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12:16<alexis_>musca, this comp it's only 5 years old
12:16<alexis_>but we get things with 5 years of delay in the third world
12:16<babilen>alexis_: Could you paste the output of "m-a list" and please read "man m-a"
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12:17<alexis_>i read man m-a babilen and there was nothing about remove or uninstall
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12:17<babilen>alexis_: Well, the packages are simply installed "normally" .. that is they should show up when you run, say, "dpkg -l '*nvidia*'"
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12:19<tgs3>musca: since debian6 2.6, through debian6 on 3.2.44+(custom) as well as on debian7 3.2.44. It was not hanging on deb6 just slow. Now it shows same warning [drm] MTRR allocation failed. Graphics performance may suffer. and hangs too
12:19<alexis_>okay i will try to completely remove from synaptic the nvidia kernel
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12:20<alexis_>any advise before i go on terminal mode?
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12:20<babilen>alexis_: sorry, have to run ..
12:21<alexis_>thanks for all your help babilen
12:21<alexis_>musca too
12:21<alexis_>thanks dude
12:22<alexis_>brb hardcore time :P
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12:22<babilen>alexis_: You want to remove the nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-4-amd64 package (cf. "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia") -- Then follow the instructions on the wiki to use the DKMS package. Note that this will *not* get you a newer driver but simply uses a more modern way to compile the module.
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12:24<musca>dkms is good for him, he will change kernel more often than his nvidia driver
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12:25<babilen>It won't, however, help with the initial problem.
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12:41<sting>Друзья, нужна помощь с сетевым адаптером Broadcom bcm4313 и настройкой его в Debian 7.1 GNOME. Очень слабый сигнал wifi. Но после установки проприетаного драйвера (wl) система перестаёт грузиться. Спасает отключение broadcom-овской сетевой и запуск без неё, после чего приход
12:41<sting>ится удалять wl-драйвер. Версии драйвера пробовал разные, в том числе и из бэкпортов. Конкретную информацию, что пишет система при запуске, сказать не могу ибо не запоминал, очень много непонятной белиберды. При нормальном запуске никогда не выводит так
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12:41<sting>ое количество сообщений. И мигает капс-лок. Ну если нужно будет показать логи и это как-то повлияет на решение проблемы - я установлю ещё раз этот драйвер. (Нетбук HP pavilion dm1-4201er)
12:42<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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12:46<retrospectacus>hi alexis_, did it work?
12:46<alexis_>no :(
12:46<alexis_>i am on irssi on command line
12:46<alexis_>when i run startx it says "FATAL: module nvidia not found"
12:46<alexis_>fatal server error: no screens found
12:46<retrospectacus>did you install nvidia-kernel-dkms
12:46<alexis_>xinit; unable to connect o X server. connection refuse
12:47<alexis_>when i uninstalled nvidia through synaptic it installed something called dkms
12:47<alexis_>isthat what you mean retrospectacus ?
12:47<retrospectacus>I mean nvidia-kernel-dkms. Please don't use synaptic
12:47<haylo>dont install nvidia with synaptic, it is not well enough maintained for a major package installation like that
12:48<alexis_>i did uninstall it not install it haylo
12:48<alexis_>i attempted the wiki steps using aptitude
12:48<alexis_>maybe i forgot to uninstall something?
12:49<abrotman>haylo: don't tell people to do that
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12:49<haylo>probably is an xorg configuration file pointing to it.. Is there an obvious /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:49<retrospectacus>alexis_: it's a simple question; try again if you don't know: did you install nvidia-kernel-dkms successfully?
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12:49<haylo>abrotman, to not install nvidia drivers with synaptic ?
12:49<alexis_>retrospectacus: will try again, should i use apt-get or aptitude for that?
12:50<abrotman>haylo: how would you like them to install them ?
12:50<retrospectacus>alexis_: either one should be ok
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12:50<alexis_>seems it was not properly installed retrospectacus it's downloading something now
12:50<haylo>use apt-get or something, synaptic is not well maintained abrotman
12:51<babilen>alexis_: Just follow the instructions on
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12:51<abrotman>haylo: if you have evidence it doesn't work the same, please file bugs
12:51<haylo>abrotman = cunt
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12:53<alexis_>failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
12:53<alexis_>i get a long list of numbers repeating that phrase after installing nvidia-kernel-dkms
12:54<alexis_>and startx says "ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia'. No such devis
12:55<alexis_>retrospectacus: i will reboot and see if it changes something
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12:57<retrospectacus>no idea about that
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12:57<alexis_>it works!
12:57<babilen>alexis_: Does it, mayhaps, also fix the initial issue?
12:57<alexis_>sadly the performance is as bad as before
12:57<alexis_>no babilen :(
12:58<babilen>yeah, I didn't really expect that to change.
12:58<alexis_>maybe it's iceweasel consuming all resources
12:58<alexis_>maybe it's a LXDE issue?
12:58<babilen>I wonder what the difference with Mint is -- You said that you compare XFCE to LXDE though, which might influence your perception.
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12:59<babilen>alexis_: It might be, but I am heading home now and you would therefore have to debug it with someone else.
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12:59<alexis_>thanks for the help so far babilen
12:59<babilen>alexis_: One of the advantages of DKMS (and the reason why we asked you to switch to it) is that it will recompile the kernel module whenever that is necessary
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12:59<babilen>(e.g. when you install a kernel)
13:00<babilen>Anyway: Good luck and until later.
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13:01<alexis_>gotta go seeyou later
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13:49<Rado>Moin, while I was cleaning up my installed pkgs, the xmodmap of my then running xdm/X session has been reset to "default". Is there some routine/ mechanism to influence xmodmap when de-/installing a pkg?
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13:52<Rado>Unrelated to that: when I boot a notebook when the display is closed, the boot process hangs. The last messages shown/ displayed/ seen (without "quiet" are:
13:52<Rado>[drm] Loading R200 Microcode
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13:53<Rado>input: DualPoint Stick as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input6
13:53<Rado>input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input7
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13:53<Rado>This state is reached after 8.45secs, then around 40secs something is being retried, but fails.
13:54<Rado>When I boot with display open it doesn't hang and comes up alright.
13:54<Rado>However, I have no trace of the failed boot, nothing logged in any file in /var/log.
13:54<Rado>When it hangs, I can only power-off.
13:55<Rado>When it's up, my X/icewm doesn't blackout when I press the trigger the display would hit if closed.
13:56<Rado>How can I track the origin down for blocking a boot when notebook display closed?
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14:01<edixondrt>buenas soy
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14:02<edixondrt>buenas soy nuevo usando debian +
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14:02<edixondrt>quien me puede hablar de las ventajas y desventajas
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15:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:26<franck_>necesito una ayudita
15:27<ompaul>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles
15:28<ompaul>para Debian ...
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15:38<AzaToth>is there any tool except aptitude that can read /var/lib/apt/extended_states and return a list of packages depending on field Auto-Installed?
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15:41<emulatore>hi there are anybody online that could help me? after a kernel update i lost touchpad and sound
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16:02<tgs3>is sandy bridge supposed to work on debian7? because it doesn't for me
16:02<towo`>"it doesn't" sayes nothing
16:03<alkabetz>yeah, what, like it doesn't boot or something?
16:03<towo`>but yes, sandy bridge is supposed to work with kernel 3.2
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16:03<tgs3>alkabetz: crashes when going to X, causes kernel faults GPF etc
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16:04<towo`>can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
16:04<alkabetz>Also, does it crash if you don't ever start X?
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16:26<tgs3>alkabetz: it works fine then
16:26<tgs3>towo`: no errors there, just some warnings about falling back to old probing method something
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16:27<tgs3>do any of you uses intell gfx from sandy bridge now, alkabetz towo`? can you grep dmesg / messages against
16:27<towo`>tgs3, can you paste the log?
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16:27<towo`>i'm using ivy-bridge @work but with unstable
16:27<tgs3>against mtrr? I get some warnings about it
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16:28<towo`>tgs3, i want to see the whole Xorg.0.log
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16:32<Donna>Iḿ trying to install a wlan usb card on my computor with Debian wheezy Xfce
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16:35<amadeus>Is there anybody out there ?
16:35<musca>no, we are 600 ghosts.
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16:36<retrospectacus>Donna: and?
16:36<musca>!tell tgs3 about microcode
16:37<amadeus>I don't understand IRC very well, I want to join a channel but i
16:37<musca>just to let him do anything
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16:37<Donna>I dont get it to work at all
16:37<amadeus>I don-t know how to do this.
16:38<musca>!irc primer
16:38<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
16:38<retrospectacus>amadeus: consult the documentation of your IRC client application
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16:38<LtL>amadeus: all commands begin with a forward slash, hence, /join #channel /part #channel /help etc.
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16:39<amadeus>Thank you for your responses.
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16:39<LtL>amadeus: welcome
16:39<amadeus>A example of channel ?
16:40<amadeus>Oh thanks, I joined the channel #bath
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16:41<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate amadeus
16:41<dpkg>Good show amadeus, you did it!
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16:45<tgs3>ok I'm in debian 7, and even the "Classic GNOME" desktop is looking fugly. How to get back to the same thing as I had on debian 6 ?
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16:46<retrospectacus>tgs3: what happened to your sandy bridge problem? gave up on that?
16:47<tgs3>retrospectacus: it works after I removed xserver-xorg-video-intel
16:47<tgs3>I guess now it uses VESA driver...? How to actually check what gfx driver is in use?
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16:48<tgs3>either way, glxinfo | head says direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: SGI
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16:48<tgs3>performance seems brarable, though mouse cursor flickers like in good old windows 95 days
16:49<sebs>hello, I'm having some gnome issues on my debia jessie box
16:49<sebs>after some time (usually 10 seconds) the screen goes completly black
16:49<sebs>I can see my mouse, but not much else
16:49<sebs>help anyone?
16:50<tgs3>sebs: duno.. try googling this symptoms... try other GFX driver?
16:50<retrospectacus>sebs: support for jessie may be found in #debian-next
16:50<sebs>retrospectacus, thanks! will join
16:52<tgs3>actually performance is nice... if not the fugly new gnome, I would be happy with debian 7
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16:55<tgs3>new gnome is so shitty
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16:56<retrospectacus>tgs3: then don't use it - we don't care. Let us know id you have a support question
16:56<gnugr>tgs3:i use mate instead and i'm more than happy
16:56<tgs3>can users get back exact same good old gnome, with working bottom and top panels with launchers and applets?
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16:56<retrospectacus>I switched to xfce4 which is actually in Debian (unlike mate)
16:57<tgs3>so there is no true gnome2 in debian?
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16:57<retrospectacus>tgs3: correct. Gnome is version 3+
16:58<tgs3>where there not some projects to fork gnome before someone got the idea users want less functionall system?
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16:58<tgs3>is any of this forks in debian 7 ?
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16:58<retrospectacus>tgs3: that's Mate; it is not in debian
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16:59<retrospectacus>tgs3: there's also Cinnamon which is only in Jessie/sid
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17:00*tgs3 is overwelmmed by the cleverness
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17:00<gnugr>i acrualy use kde, but i do like sometimes to switch to old gnome
17:01<gnugr>*actually even
17:01<tgs3>so gnome decides to provides broken system (broken = removed lots of functions, not backwards compatible), and debian doesn't see it as a good idea to provide the last good version or fork?
17:01<retrospectacus>I found cinnamon almost as bad as Gnome3 and xfce4 very good and similar to gnome2
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17:01<tgs3>can I help debian somehow to provide good gnome to users?
17:02<retrospectacus>tgs3: debian does not develop desktop environments
17:02<tgs3>but there are many alternatives, offspins of gnome 2, right? we could package them?
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17:02<retrospectacus>afaik there is one. /msg dpkg mate
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17:03<blink>is the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules created on install, and is there any penalty to assigning adaptor names outside that file if they originals are removed (say, 10-local.rules)
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17:04<tgs3>retrospectacus: maybe we should make it priority to package something like this, seeing as gnome developers clearly lost their mind
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17:05<tgs3>*or shifted market to people tht want vista experience and imitation of tablet, instead getting work done in their DE
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17:06<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell tgs3 about why not mate
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17:09<tgs3>retrospectacus: ok I see. but even cinamon is not the good old gnome?
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17:09<tgs3>can't we JUST package gnome 2 as it was in debian 6 ?
17:09<tgs3>api's changed too much for it to work or what?
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17:11<retrospectacus>I guess
17:11<gnugr>tgs3:if you really want gnome2 get mate from there
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17:12<retrospectacus>tgs3: yes it is not hard to get mate, it's just not in the repos for the reasons the robot gave you
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17:18<tgs3>retrospectacus: I want long term, secure (confirmed by debian guys) solution
17:18<retrospectacus>use xfce4
17:18<tgs3>I don't use any software outside of main debian repos, because freedom, os, etc
17:19<tgs3>well and security. I trust somewhat :)
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17:25<gnugr>tgs3:Desktop Environment i think is matter of taste and it worth a small risk as i did :P
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17:45<ymir>Hi, I have a question about drivers. How can i choose another driver for a given device?
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17:46<retrospectacus>what device?
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17:47<ymir>retrospectacus: my audio card
17:48<tgs3>ymir: you usually blacklist some drivers or paste kernel options
17:48<tgs3>ymir: also consider asking #alsa or #pulseaudio or ##linux (on
17:48<tgs3>ymir: what sound card and why change it? google for solutions often people show commands that solved the problem for them
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17:49<ymir>tgs3: alsa hasn't helped me, and google hasn't either
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17:50<ymir>#debian has helped me before, quite a bit actually, with drivers
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17:50<ymir>I figured maybe someone here can tell me what commands might work
17:51<tgs3>ymir: what sound card? why not use it? you could need output of lspci -v
17:51<tgs3>or at least card name from lspci
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17:51<ymir>01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
17:51<ymir>tgs3: I apparently have 2 audio cards
17:52<ymir>tgs3: it's not outputting via HD cable
17:52<tgs3>oh right
17:52<tgs3>yeah it's a bitch
17:52<ymir>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
17:52*tgs3 installs windows on computer of who ever made HDMI crap to be auto-detected and auto-used instead separate audio card
17:52<ymir>tgs3: I just want to try out some other drivers that are on here somewhere to see if they are any better
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17:53<ymir>the video output works out of the box
17:53<tgs3>ymir: we had same problem. I have sollution written somewhere. /msg me with your email my friends will contact you tomorrow. also, you can just google "disabling hdmi audio linux" and probably set some blacklist
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17:55<ymir>tgs3: why google 'disable'?
17:55<ymir>I want it to work
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17:57<ymir>oh wait, that guy has the same alsamixer troubles as myself...
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17:57<tgs3>ymir: oh, I thought you had HDMI and build-in audio and wanted to swithc between them. Ok maybe you have now the buildin audio selected instead HDMI. what is not working, do you get no sound or errors?
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17:57<ymir>I get sound on my built-in speakers (laptop) but no sound on my TV
17:58<ymir>it doesn't show any HD sound devices
17:58<ymir>but I am on Mint, so I dont know if you are familiar. I thought you might have some bash commands for me to switch the drivers
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17:59<ymir>I got a lot of help here for my drivers on another machine that I had debian on, so i figured why not ask about the commands
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19:17<sonx>hia, anyone can installing alcatel l100v 4g penusb?
19:17<sonx>in debian7
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19:24<retrospectacus>sonx: what's the problem? It should create a network interface when you insert it, which you can use normally
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19:31<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell sonx about usb_modeswitch
19:31<retrospectacus>sonx: you may need that, too
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19:32<sonx>i try to use
19:32<sonx>i made a conf
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19:32<sonx>with dmseg infos
19:32<sonx>and appears
19:32<sonx>sudo usb_modeswitch -c test.conf
19:32<sonx>Looking for target devices ...
19:32<sonx> No devices in target mode or class found
19:32<sonx>Looking for default devices ...
19:32<sonx> found matching product ID
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19:33<sonx>ups :S
19:33<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell sonx about flood
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21:09<ryansmith>Hi Sam and Wardhan
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21:10<ryansmith>Is there a setting so you can close a laptop and not have your computer go into sleep? I'm using Debian Wheezy 7.0.0.
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21:13<tgs3>hi Rado
21:13<tgs3>ryansmith: yes, go to desktop -> scrensaver -> power management
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21:13<ryansmith>Thank you!
21:13<tgs3>search in the top main menu, like under "system" or click on a desktop and there it should be. or search online and look for screenshots
21:13<tgs3>ryansmith: no problem
21:14<ryansmith>I'm new to raw Debian, I've always used Ubuntu
21:14<tgs3>ryansmith: it is very similar, it's quite easy
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21:16<ryansmith>I can't find the Deskop you're talking about
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21:17<wardhan>are you using gnome or kde ?
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21:17<ryansmith>I believe I'm using Gnome 3
21:18<ryansmith>I'm not 100% sure
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21:18<ryansmith>It is a form of Gnome though
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21:21<wardhan>do you have 00power icon on top right of the screen ? if yes, right click it. see this :
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21:22<ryansmith>There is a battery icon in the top right of my screen. Is there a way to see if it's 00Power?:
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21:28<ryansmith>I don't have that Gnome Power Manager on my version of Debian
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22:31<ryonagana>there some good mirror to download flashplugin-nonfree? that mirror sucks a lot :( sorry but gnash is not too good
22:32<abrotman>ryonagana: should be your normal mirror
22:33<SamB>doesn't flashplugin-nonfree have to download from Adobe though?
22:33<SamB>I don't think we can do anything about mirroring that?
22:33<ryonagana>yes.. that link from adobe is very slow
22:34<SamB>basically ask Adobe to get a better CDN or something
22:35<ryonagana>hm.. ok thanks
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---Logclosed Fri Jul 05 00:00:51 2013