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---Logopened Sat Jul 06 00:00:53 2013
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00:16<Khades>abrotman: there's better way to virtualise linux inside linux
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00:17<alexis_>how Khades ?
00:18<Khades>alexis_: lxc container virtualisation
00:18<alexis_>okay let me google that
00:20<alexis_>found it on synaptic Khades does it comes with a GUI?
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00:20<Khades>you need gui?
00:21<Khades>what would you virtualize?
00:21<alexis_>i just need to virtualize another OS with specific hardware
00:21<alexis_>128 ram and low cpu
00:22<Khades>oh ok
00:22<Khades>lxc is able to do so
00:22<Khades>but running xorg in lxc is bad idea
00:22<Khades>ok did you tried something like noacpi in grub?
00:23<alexis_>i made it work enabling PAE/NX support Khades
00:23<Khades>oh ok
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00:33<amitz>wjat is the lowest ram to run wheezy?
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00:34<amitz>no standard tool
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00:53<wdoodle>something new has occurred to me relative my serial problem. The garbage I'm getting is between the "Loading initial ramdisk" message and the issue file and login prompt. It's also the only stuff up to and including the login prompt that goes only to the serial console. Everything except the garbled stuff goes to both vga and serial consoles. But when I shut down, which, like the garbled stuff at boot, goes only to the serial console, it ge
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01:35<tweek>i use full disk encryption (the debian way, with lvm) with my laptop, i consider this the gold standard. however, now i've got this tiny computer (a raspberry pi), which i will use off-site, so i can't input a password at boot. my question/challenge is this: how do i set up a system that boots so far that i can ssh into it, but at the same time maximizing the amount of data that is encrypted. like, is it possible to set up a system that
01:36<Khades>loop fs?
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01:38<tweek>Khades: that is mounting a file as a block device, right? can you elaborate how you mean i could use that?
01:38<Khades>tweek: what data you have? dont you think of moving this data on some other partition so system can boot ok, and you just ssh afterward and insert password?
01:39<tweek>Khades: it will be backup, www content, maybe anonymous ftp. i was thinking of a /mnt/data for that
01:39<tweek>one of my concerns is, can a system boot without /var/,for example, or, can /var/ be replaced after booting. (thinking of log files here)
01:40<tweek>or what else could i encrypt (the more the better)
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01:40<Khades>i am not into crypting
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01:40<Khades>but i though aufs2 can handle encryption
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01:41<Khades>also that is equivalent to my second line bout mounting after boot manually
01:42<tweek>i'm not familiar with aufs, is that filesystem-leven encryption?
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01:45<Khades>actually aufs2 would help with merging /var/log when mounting /var
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01:52<AndyJ>Hi people, I've just run an aptitude upgrade, and now haven't been able to start a desktop (gdm) where should I be looking for errors?
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01:55<Khades>AndyJ: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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01:58<AndyJ>no errors showing in the log...
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02:03<Khades>log in system through console and do startx
02:04<AndyJ>startx just gives me a blank screen
02:05<Khades>log back to console where you did startx
02:05<AndyJ>I'm logged in as root
02:06<Khades>i meant to switch to console where you did startx
02:07<tweek>Khades: to clarify: you mean boot, then use aufs to merge /home/ or whatever from the encrypted or whatever partition into the existing /home/ ?
02:07<AndyJ>once I enter stars the system is non responsive, I can't switch between consoles
02:08<Khades>07-06 13:03 <== <Khades> log in system through console and do startx
02:08<Khades>to switch to console press ctl-alt-f1
02:09<AndyJ>startx renders the system inert, cannot switch between consoles
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02:09<Khades>keyboard lock probalbly
02:09<Khades>do you see mouse pointer?
02:09<Khades>does power off button respond?
02:10<AndyJ>no, just a grey screen
02:10<Khades>what bout power off?
02:10<AndyJ>yes, power off is only thing that works
02:11<Khades>try to use vesa video driver
02:11<Khades>what videocard do you have?
02:12<AndyJ>radeon hd6950
02:12<Khades>try vesa driver
02:12<Khades>if it would help - then mess with ati drivers
02:14<Khades>you may just remove any ati drivers from system
02:14<Khades>did you updated from squeeze?
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02:15<Khades>does your console became bigger?
02:15<AndyJ>3.2.0_4 AMD64
02:16<AndyJ>font looks a bit larger than normal
02:16<Khades>i didnt asked you what system now you're running
02:16<Khades>i asked from what version did you upgraded
02:17<AndyJ>sorry I don't know how to get the system to name the distro name
02:17<tweek>AndyJ: lsb_release -a
02:17<Khades>try to remove any ati drivers to get fallback to vesa
02:17<Khades>tweek: it would give him new version, not old
02:18<tweek>Khades: whoops sorry didn't read properly
02:19<AndyJ>sorry, I don't know the previous name... has been auto updating since sarge?
02:19<AndyJ>recent update left some odd errors, menu items missing, so ran full upgrade...
02:20<Khades>didn't you noticed new stable debian came month ago?
02:21<Khades>2 months
02:21<AndyJ>yes, but updates not working... safe updates only... system became a little odd...
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02:22<Khades>you dont get it
02:22<Khades>you partially updateyou system from oldstable to stable
02:22<Khades>AndyJ: just try to run vesa drivers
02:22<tom>XChat IRC
02:23<AndyJ>will do
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02:23<AndyJ>looking for info on how on other box
02:23<Khades>as i said
02:23<Khades>delete any other ati drivers
02:23<Khades>it would fallback to vesa
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02:32<AndyJ>is there an Xorg configuration tool?
02:32<AndyJ>I'm struggling with finding and removing x drivers
02:33<Khades>drivers are in aptitude
02:33<AndyJ>aptitude shows a massive set of installed drivers
02:33<Khades>remove any ati or radeon
02:33<Khades>and fglrx
02:34<AndyJ>I,m seeing references to nVidia in odd places...
02:34<Khades>does it stop you from removing ati radeon drivers?
02:35<AndyJ>I'm trying to work out how to remove
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02:36<AndyJ>OK remove package by name
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02:48<AndyJ>progress! drivers deleted now x says fatal error no screens found
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02:50<Khades>install vesa drivers back lol
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02:51<AndyJ>no I didn't remove all... restarting to see what happens :-)
02:52<Khades>dig in /etc/X11
02:52<Khades>sorry i feel sleepy as cat
02:52<AndyJ>didn't work... I'm guessing that I need to point xorg.conf at versa now
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03:02<F-Hauri>AndyJ, Try to remove (or rename) your xorg.conf file.This file is mostly not needed in new versions of Xorg as server do a lot of detection.
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03:06<AndyJ>removed, but no change...
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03:54<F-Hauri>AndyJ, what give `apt-get -f install` ?
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03:56<F-Hauri>AndyJ, did your upgrade finished properly?
03:56<AndyJ>0 0 0 and 8 to be upgraded
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03:57<AndyJ>I'm working through the fglrx instructions at the moment...
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03:58<F-Hauri>AndyJ, could you try a debian-live (on usb or cd)?
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03:58<ekiwok>is it good place to ask about experience in installing debian mips/el on routers like netgear wnr3500l instead of tomato or wrt?
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04:00<musca>ekiwok: yes.
04:00<musca>(mo me though)
04:00<F-Hauri>AndyJ, If current debian live work out of the box with your hardware, you may have better to re-install / (backuping /home in order, before;-)
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04:02<AndyJ>F-Hauri: I'll keep that in mind if I can't work through this...
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04:04<F-Hauri>AndyJ, New version of xorg don't need fglrx for many old graphic cards...
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04:04<F-Hauri>AndyJ, Try a debian live, for looking how this work
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04:05<F-Hauri>AndyJ, ... and IF it work, at all...
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04:12<mathijs>Helloo, can anybody help me. I'm deploying a RoR website to a debian server with capistrano and I get the following error: 'ERROR: object '/var/www/vhosts/***/.vim_l' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.' Im deploying to the server for the last half year and never had that problem. Didn't change any configuration on the server.
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04:21<ekiwok>musca, coud you write me some more? some links to blogs or smth?
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04:23<musca>ekiwok: well, did you look at the debian mailing lists?
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04:27<ekiwok> musca, Yes, I googled quite a lot but I haven't found anything specific, mostly people announcing their success, I'd rather read some kind of how-to-do-it
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04:28<ekiwok>not step by step, mostly theoretical, I have experience with low-level programming
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04:35<musca>ekiwok: this is an eight year old PDF
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04:43<ekiwok> musca, thanks It might be helpfull :)
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04:49<mathijs>Helloo, can anybody help me. I'm deploying a RoR website to a debian server with capistrano and I get the following error: 'ERROR: object '/var/www/vhosts/***/.vim_l' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.' Im deploying to the server for the last half year and never had that problem. Didn't change any configuration on the server.
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04:53<gnugr>mathijs:i don't know about capistrano, but did you check for owner/user/groups for its configuration?
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05:04<babilen>mathijs: I am sure you tried there first, but there is a #capistrano channel over on -- Looks as if "something" sets LD_PRELOAD in such a way that it contains libraries that cannot be found. Can't say more as I don't know capistrano, RoR nor your configuration.
05:05<paco>Hello people, I was SMART testing this computer's hard drive and it says that the disk is healthy but that also FAILED to read. I tested a second, brand new hard drive and it's the same. What is wrong? The motherboard? The PSU?
05:05<mathijs>babilen: ya didn't get any response @ #capistrano
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05:07<gnugr>mathijs:check this you might get some ideas
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05:08<babilen>mathijs: Do you have any idea what /var/www/vhosts/***/.vim_l might be? Do you get that error during the deployment (i.e. copying) or when the website is started? (or are both of these steps part of a single "deployment" step?) -- I simply think that this is rather a RoR/capistrano specific problem than one with Debian.
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05:08<babilen>gnugr: I am sure that mathijs is aware of the basic usage of capistrano
05:09<babilen>mathijs: Are you using capistrano as packaged by Debian?
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05:10<babilen>mathijs: heh, just found your question on SO, at least my google-fu is not useless :)
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05:13<babilen>mathijs: And it might also help to see the *exact* command that causes that error and its entire output on
05:14<mathijs>babilen: it's not installed on Debian, its installed on my local computer. I thought maybe it's a problem of my debian configuration.
05:14<mathijs>babilen: my web server is running fine, i just get the problem when deploying
05:15<mathijs>babilen: and i think .vim_l is file that capistrano created, no clue what's for
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05:18<babilen>mathijs: So, you are deploying from a local computer that is not running Debian to a server that is? At which step do you run into the problem and could you paste the entire output please?
05:20<mathijs>babilen: pastbin inc.
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05:21<babilen>mathijs: I don't quite follow
05:23<mathijs>babilen: here is the output i get
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05:23<babilen>mathijs: But then you might also want to try #RubyOnRails -- you will probably find a lot more people familiar with RoR and capistrano than here. Also please answer the other questions.
05:24<babilen>mathijs: and please don't use but a sensible pastebin that does not mangle the input, is covered in ads and makes me enter a captcha every now and then. I mentioned before, but you could use another one if the Debian one is not to your liking such as or
05:25<mathijs>babilen: oke good to know
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05:27<babilen>mathijs: Well, no idea. I'd try the rails channel and insofar I am not convinced that this is related to Debian at all. Good luck! (show them this paste too and include other relevant information)
05:28<mathijs>babilen: thx for you help! Im going to try it at RoR IRC channel
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05:35<babilen>mathijs: The channel is on (am idling there, but you seem to be missing)
05:36<mathijs>babilen: ya sorry I'm sitting here in VIetnam in a restaurant talking to people :D
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05:36<babilen>Well, in that case I can't be bothered. Good luck.
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06:32<dirac>HI! i have an asus 1015cx with a intel gma3600 video card. there is a working solution to play hd video (also flash video) on debian wheezy?
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06:37<towo`>there is no real support for that chipset in linux
06:38<babilen>dirac: I remember somebody fiddling with the modesetting driver a while back, but am not entirely sure if that succeeded. It is, certainly, not the best chipset for, well, everything but power saving ;)
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06:43<dirac>can i hope for support in future?
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06:55<tgs3>debian 7 does some stupid stuff by default, how to disable it?
06:56<tgs3>- screen savers other then blank. eat up CPU
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06:56<tgs3>- tracker-miner-fs scans my filesystems and saves some indexes. loads computer into almost hanging hdd/cpu, and insecure (scans topsecret crypted mount, and write index to other, unencrypted place?)
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06:57<tgs3>- gnome3. How to make all users on all computers I administrate via ssh, to default to XFCE or KDE ?
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06:59<probook>hi, i'm trying to install 7.1 on hp probook 4340, i downloaded the efi test4 iso, but the grub and installer screens seem to not pick the proper resoluton making everything unreadable
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07:00<jkf>клонзи дан? 6-)
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07:01<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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07:02<probook>is there a way to fix this or just force them to use a certain resolution, perhaps by setting something in the kernel params?
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07:03<Khades>probook: tried safe video mode?
07:03<probook>Khades: how to enable it?
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07:04<Khades>probook: wait a bit, i'll download netinstall
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07:12<Khades>probook: what options you use at boot screen? none?
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07:13<kidx>hello any one know how to cast to HasHDTV
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07:14<kidx>all the things i tried dont work
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07:15<probook>khades: so far i tried going with the first grub option, either with no additional options, or noacpi or nomodeset, each one ended the same
07:15<Khades>that's no grub at start
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07:15<Khades>probook: try to press down and enter at bootloader
07:16<Khades>it would go to graphic mode
07:16<Khades>might fix your installation
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07:19<probook>the graphic mode is there as the first option, the text mode as second, both keep the same resolution (which is different than the one display thinks it's displaying)
07:19<Monster>Hi All. I am looking for a simple and up to date tutorial to install and secure a home email server. Has anyone got a good link to share?
07:19<Khades>ah, ok
07:20<Khades>probook: what if you press escape?
07:20<kidx>any one know how to cast to hasHDtv
07:20<Khades>kidx: it seem nobody
07:21<kidx>wish i could cast
07:21<kidx>linux still lacking this
07:21<Khades>linux lack many thing
07:21<Khades>but we still love it
07:21<kidx>like venderos
07:22<kidx>well if i cant cast then i am up shits creek
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07:23<Khades>i am sysadmin and programmer
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07:24<abrotman>kidx: i'm sure it can, but the solution may not be OSS
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07:26<kidx>i am not familiar with the ffmpeg code
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07:27<SynrG>oss = open source software
07:28<SynrG>in this context, anyway
07:28<kidx>well there is ffmpeg but the bash scripts i tried dont allow me to do any tihng
07:28<SynrG>you'll have to be more specific ... do they fail because the options are no longer valid? if so, what error messages are you getting?
07:29<kidx>ill have to retry this again
07:29<kidx>and let you know ill do so now
07:29<SynrG>are there alleged solutions out there using ffmpeg? if so, how about share them with us in a paste?
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07:29<kidx>ill past links
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07:30<SynrG>ok. i know when i tried similar things for my devices, i had to tweak the avconv options to get them right
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07:48<probook>khades, escape where, grub or the installer? and what should that do? the way it looks in all three is that every line of pixels is ~6 pixels short
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07:48<Khades>probook: some grim video problems you have
07:49<Khades>probook: on boot loader
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07:51<probook>yes, and no external display to check with
07:51<Khades>are you sure everything ok with your notebook?
07:51<Khades>also did you tried oldstable iso's?
07:52<Khades>might be regression
07:52<probook>maybe there's a kernel param to force diiferent resolution/another way of initializing the screen?
07:53<Khades>but only way to enter it - press escape on grub
07:53<Khades>and as you say - you can see nothing there
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07:54<probook>win8 runs ok, and i seem to need an efi bootable installer since the laptop does not see the vanilla netinst one
07:54<Khades>i have uefi disabled on my netbook
07:54<Khades>notebook sorry
07:54<Khades>and it is disableable
07:55<probook>i cant see anything but i can add a kernel param if i know which line to edit and what to append there
07:55<Khades>it is blank by default
07:56<probook>i could not find a way to disable uefi completely
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07:56<Khades>not all hardware support it
07:56<Khades>probook: try latest ubuntu, they might have fix for it
07:58<probook>'boot' is not the one where the kernel params are set, is it?
07:59<Khades> i think it would need everything
07:59<Khades>like boot="/boot/linux" or something like that
07:59<Khades>probook: try install debian from windows
07:59<Khades>or even more extreme
08:00<probook>i'm not at a place where i can download large images
08:00<Khades>you can install linux from virtualbox on real hard disk
08:01<nbags>ubuntu still have a minimal cd right?
08:01<nbags>yeah its 29M
08:01<Khades>they have netinstall
08:01<Khades>and businesscard
08:02<probook>hmm, i guess i need to wait until i get home and can try connecting an external display or even set up an ssh installation
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08:05<probook>what was the kernel param to try? i can try one grub line after another until i find the right one
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08:08<nbags>probably. ^^ probook
08:09<probook>like vga=1280x768?
08:10<Khades>probook: i think you would loose too much time trying to run it without external screen
08:11<probook>abrotman: deprecated means that it no longer works or that it should not be used?
08:12<nbags>i would try to debootstrap from an ubuntu image
08:12<abrotman>it's gfxmode
08:12<abrotman>nbags: why?
08:12<Khades>i would try to plug out hard drive and install debian on other pc
08:12<nbags>cause it might work and save time in fiddling with kernel parameters
08:12<abrotman>nbags: but then when it installs a Debian kernel, it won't work again
08:12<Khades>backing up win8 at start
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08:13<Khades>abrotman: do you use irssi?
08:13<abrotman>yes, why?
08:14<Khades> did i configured it right?
08:14<Khades>still cant connect through irssi
08:14<abrotman>configure, not configured
08:14<abrotman>Khades: wrong port I believe
08:14<abrotman>and IMO, you should use
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08:15<abrotman> is a cname which may or may not change in the future
08:15<Khades>sorry, i am not so keen in english
08:15*abrotman hopes it doesn't change again
08:15<nbags>abrotman: oh i was assuming probook wanted a headless system when said 'ssh install', but i minterpreted
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08:15<abrotman>nbags: not sure what that has to do with a Debian or Ubuntu install?
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08:16<probook>khades: erasin the disk with random data for encrypted lvm might take up to a day, so the sooner i can start with that,the better
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08:17*abrotman would probably just try the install without encryption first
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08:18<Khades>wait a bit
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08:18<nbags>on linux i usually just find some medium that will boot linux and then play around with kernels rather than different images
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08:18<Khades>still silenced
08:18<abrotman>Khades: i asked you last night, you never told me which IP ...
08:19<Khades>abrotman: sorry
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08:20<Khades>i'd continue to sit though jabber, but it messes codepage in debian-russian
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08:21<abrotman>yeah, that should have expired on its own, not sure what happened
08:21<khades>i was too annoying maybe
08:21<abrotman>i'm sure
08:22<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
08:22<khades>that's why i asked to be banned by nickname, i tend to use jabber transports
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08:59<tgs3>so debian 7 introduced a lot of stupidity into the system (from POV of users that want to get things done)
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09:19<Calinou>TIL decent font redering is stupid
09:19<Calinou>tgs3: do you mean gnome 3?
09:19<Calinou>you are free to use xfce, kde, lxde...
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09:33<khades>or awesome
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09:45<zhak>hello i need some help. i cant get gnome-shell to work properly
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09:58<khades>zhak: do you have hardware acceleration on your videocard working?
09:59<zhak>khades, yes i think so how can i check?
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09:59<zhak>abrotman, it says command not found
10:00<khades>zhak: install mesa-utils
10:00<abrotman>probably not a good sign
10:00<abrotman>zhak: how did you install X?
10:00<zhak>direct rendering: Yes
10:00<abrotman>zhak: is the 'xorg' package install? is the 'gnome' package installed?
10:01<zhak>the problem is i installed wheezy from dvd but without network since my new ultrabook needs a realy new kernel from iwlwifi repository to have wifi
10:01<abrotman>or rather, i doubt your wifi problems affect gnome-shell
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10:02<abrotman>zhak: so are the xorg/gnome-shell packages installed?
10:02<zhak>yes but i got very few packages from cd
10:02<zhak>gnome-shell and xorg installed
10:02<abrotman>zhak: lspci -nn
10:02<abrotman>what's your wifi card?
10:02<zhak>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT DRAM Controller [8086:0a04] (rev 09)
10:02<zhak>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 09)
10:02<zhak>00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:0a0c] (rev 09)
10:02<zhak>00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP USB xHCI HC [8086:9c31] (rev 04)
10:02<zhak>00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP HECI #0 [8086:9c3a] (rev 04)
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10:04<khades>i doubt debian supports haswell now
10:04<abrotman>no ..
10:04<abrotman>i asked what his wifi card is
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10:04<zhak>yes but i installed a custom kernel 3.10 from iwlwifi repository
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10:04<abrotman>so the wifi works? but gnome doesn't?
10:04<abrotman>did gnome work with the Debian kernel?
10:04<zhak>i get ulgy graphics errors when i gnome-shell --replace
10:04<khades>zhak: haswell is badly supported by debian, so your 3d acceleration doenst work 100%
10:05<abrotman>khades: it's not a Debian-specific problem, right?
10:05<khades>and gnome-shell required 3d acceleration
10:05<khades>abrotman: no it is, old packages
10:05<Raziel>Hey guys, I did lvreduce on /home without unmounting it, then had to rebuild it because the thing wouldn't boot because of the size difference between partition and filesystem, and now it's fine but my stuff is gone. Which is okay since there wasn't almost anything, but df still shows 60M used on home, so it's not actually gone but I can't find it?
10:05<zhak>khades, even if i installed a new kernel?
10:05<abrotman>khades: there are newer packages available .. perhaps you could clarify that it's wheezy-specific?
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10:05<abrotman>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
10:05<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; jessie: 2:2.19.0-6; sid: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; experimental: 2:2.20.14-1
10:05<Raziel>Any way to find the stuff or should I just wipe the partition?
10:06<khades>abrotman: wait a bit
10:06<abrotman>khades: i don't need to?
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10:06<zhak>abrotman so the problem is the xserver? can i update it?
10:07<khades>abrotman: well yes, you dont need
10:07<abrotman>zhak: you can try to grab the driver from experimental, it may or may not work correctly
10:07<abrotman>khades: engrish?
10:07<khades>abrotman: yes
10:07<khades>that's mesa problem
10:07<khades>since gnome needs 3d
10:07<khades>i mean opengl
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10:08<khades>zhak: i recommend you to install ubuntu since it has latest mesa and drivers available
10:08<khades>there's still problems in ivy bridge
10:08*abrotman wouldn't recommend that
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10:09<khades>Ah found it
10:09<zhak>khades, ok i had that but i dont like it.i thought if i install a new kernel with new drivers debian would work but thanks
10:09<khades>initial haswell support
10:09<khades>in mesa 9.0.1
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10:09<khades>zhak: try sid
10:10<khades>zhak: it would probably work
10:10<zhak>khades, ok i will try thanks for your time
10:10<khades>zhak: at least upgrate to sid mesa, libdrm and kernel
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10:10<zhak>kernel already is at 3.10 with some patches for wifi and pstate
10:11<zhak>how these two packages to sid
10:11<khades>zhak: there's no opengl in kernel and gnome-shell requires
10:11<zhak>*how to update
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10:12<khades>there's way to update only chosen packages
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10:12<khades>cant find way
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10:14<khades>zhak: ok, read this , then add sid to /etc/apt/sources.list and write all needed libs in /etc/apt/preferences
10:14<khades>it is hard
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10:14<khades>i'd prefer to update fully to sid
10:15<khades>zhak: or just wait till mesa would be backported to stable, kernel is already there, 3.9
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10:16<abrotman>khades: please don't recommend Sid to people new to Debian
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10:16<khades>abrotman: well i recommended ubuntu
10:16<abrotman>also a poor choice
10:16<khades>it is simplier way
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10:16<abrotman>khades: #ubuntu is on
10:17<khades>man he has problem cause his hardware is unsupported in current stable, what else i could recommend?
10:17<abrotman>khades: you've stated yourself that the support is brand new, probably unstable, right ?
10:18<khades>how old is haswell?
10:18<abrotman>a year?
10:18<khades>3 months
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10:18<khades>1 month
10:18<zhak>yes its just released the notebookversion
10:18<abrotman>khades: they showed working devices in 2011
10:19<khades>abrotman: on haswell???
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10:19<abrotman>khades: they may not have released it until recently, but they could have done the work
10:19<khades>they actually did
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10:20<khades>abrotman: anyway haswell is not supported in mesa 8.0.5
10:20<abrotman>nor well supported in 9.x
10:21<khades>makes sence
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10:21<khades>ok, i see your point
10:21<zhak>on fedora 19 it worked but i wanted something more stable but seems debian is just too stable for my hardware
10:21<khades> also this made me think that even 9.2 would not be ready for haswell
10:21<khades>zhak: :D
10:22<khades>zhak: do you play 3d games?
10:22<abrotman>zhak: what about possibly using a non-3d-enabled DE until the support you need is in Jessie?
10:22<zhak>i think ill do so
10:22<khades>zhak: dwm is truly dont need opengl
10:22<abrotman>like xfce or lxde
10:23<khades>abrotman: do you like mate de?
10:23<zhak>khades, no i dont
10:23<abrotman>khades: I want MATE to die
10:23<khades>abrotman: why?
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10:37<GCS>Hi! There's an upload which is delayed. The deferred uploads page shows it, but can't find the files in DELAYED/0-day/ (it has seven hours left, hence the 0 day).
10:37<GCS>What do I miss?
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11:45<senyai>Hi! Anyone has ideas about ?
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12:39<no_gravity>Hello! When connecting to my monitor via dsub, debian7 only offers me 1024x768 but my monitor has 1280x1024 pixels. How do I get the real resolution?
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12:41<abrotman>dpkg: tell no_gravity about multiple ask
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12:46<khades>no_gravity: does 1280x1024 is listed in output of xrandr program?
12:47<no_gravity>khades: only for LVDS1. not for VGA1.
12:47<khades>no_gravity: are you sure your vga cable is ok?
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12:48<no_gravity>khades: it looks like a cable.thats all i can say about it.
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12:48<khades>no_gravity: you actually can add modes to xrandr, google bout that
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12:51<no_gravity>khades: looks like it works!
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12:51<khades>no_gravity: ok, common problem
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12:56<no_gravity>Hmm... there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf - how do i make shit permanent now?
12:56<khades>create one
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12:57<no_gravity>khades: is debian7 still using x11 by the way?
12:57<khades>no_gravity: it does, also there is /etc/X11/xorg.d
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12:58<no_gravity>khades: not here
12:58<no_gravity>khades: there is some stuff in /etc/X11/ but neither xorg.conf nor xorg.d
12:58<khades>create one
12:59<no_gravity>khades: i would not know what to put in.
12:59<khades>then add stuff into .bashrc
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13:00<khades>i do neither :D
13:00<no_gravity>.bashrc? so my screen gets fucked with everytime i start a shell?
13:01<khades>you know what would be better treatment?
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13:01<khades>fixing cable
13:01<no_gravity>khades: its broken?
13:02<khades>no_gravity: 95% it is
13:03<no_gravity>khades: im sceptical. but i will try another one next week.
13:03<khades>no_gravity: that is caused of malfunction is data changing between videocard and LCD screen processor so they cant determine what modes screen can run
13:03<khades>seen that many times
13:04<khades>does color changes when you touch cable?
13:04<no_gravity>khades: no
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13:56<editheraven>I have installed cinnamon on debian 7, removed gnome3. I have a question : what lib provides the gnome right click menu on titlebar? Cinnamon has a different 'theme' can i get the gnome-style back for that menu?
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14:20<bullgard4>[Wheezy] "You have searched for paths that end with showmounts in suite wheezy, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." What is the correct name of this command?
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14:28<bullgard4>editheraven: "Mutter is the window manager in GNOME 3, replacing Metacity.." May be you will find an answer by listing the library dependencies of Mutter.
14:29<editheraven>and what is the windows manager for cinnamon? metacity?
14:30<editheraven>it looks like I have both installed : metacity-common and mutter-common
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14:31<bullgard4>editheraven: "Cinnamon uses Muffin, a fork of the GNOME 3 window manager Mutter, as its window manager from Cinnamon 1.2 onwards."
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14:33<editheraven>and another thing : if I open as non-root user cinnamon-settings i can't install applets as it requires root passwd, But I have not root account. If I start the control panel with sudo for root privileges, it says it can't load the modules. IS there a workaround for not enabling the root acount here?
14:34<editheraven>Ok, thanks. I'll look into it.
14:36<ompaul>the linux mint problem eh?
14:37<editheraven>No, i'm on debian 7 but i like cinnamon better so I removed gnome*
14:37<bullgard4>editheraven: I believe that the Cinnamon developers intentionally disabled the root account. It is somehow not logical to use Cinnamon and require a root account.
14:37<ompaul>cinnamon-settings applets
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14:56<Aleric>I'm trying to build blender from source - it includes /usr/include/libavcodec/opt.h, but that file is not in the libavcodec-dev package of wheezy. Can someone tell me where I can find that file?
14:57<Aleric>I got the sources for wheezy by the way (blender 2.63a)
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15:08<editheraven>bullgard4 :what do you mean by " I believe that the Cinnamon developers intentionally disabled the root account". I disabled the root account at install
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15:10<bullgard4>editheraven: I probably misinterpreted your messages.
15:11<blast007>Aleric: I see the /usr/include/libavcodec/opt.h file in libavcodec-dev.
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15:12<editheraven>I installed debian 7 with root account disabled (I am getting root privileges by sudo command) but when I try to install applets it shows gksu not gksudo. So I cant provide a passwd for gksu as I have no root passwd
15:14<ixi>applets ?
15:14<ompaul>editheraven: eh the root password for sudo program-foo-goes-here is the password for the user who has the ability to run sudo -i
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15:14<Aleric>blast007: what version did you install?
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15:14<editheraven>applets in cinnamon-settings
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15:15<editheraven>yes I know but it requires the su passwd for root, not the sudo for my account
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15:15<ompaul>what program are you trying to run
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15:16<blast007>Aleric: just looking at what's on
15:16<ompaul>cinnamon-settings should not require root if you read the previous persons comments on same
15:16<Aleric>blast007: That looks right.. but it's not in the real package
15:17<blast007>it was in the one I downloaded and inspected
15:17<ompaul>editheraven: as I read on the internet you grab an applets file drop it in some sub directory from your root and it works
15:17<ompaul>editheraven: I'm very glad of my kde so I don't have to deal with those issues if they even are issues :)
15:18<Aleric>blast007: So, which version did you download?
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15:19<Aleric>ii libavcodec-dev:amd64 8:1.0.6-dmo2 amd64 Library to encode decode multimedia streams - devel files.
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15:19<Aleric>I have that installed, it's not in there.
15:19<khades>what is dmo
15:19<editheraven>I am tryng to install an applet from control-center
15:19<editheraven>version of what?
15:20<Aleric>khades: Oh,.. thanks :*)
15:20<Aleric>It's using the wrong repository :/
15:20<Aleric> *** 8:1.0.6-dmo2 0
15:20<Aleric> 990 wheezy/main amd64 Packages
15:20<ompaul>editheraven: type your own password
15:21<editheraven>it's not working
15:21<editheraven>it wants the root account password, which I don't have
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15:23<Aleric>editheraven: you need to be in the group 'sudo' before you can use sudo.
15:23<editheraven>I can use sudo
15:24<editheraven>the installer auto adds me in sudo if i chose to disable root account
15:24<ompaul>editheraven: do this on the CLI type sudo -i and then type passwd and enable a password for root you can remove it in a few minutes with sudo -L iirc (you need to check it just in case) and see if that users
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15:24<ompaul>editheraven: that will tell you if it is the root password it wants
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15:24<ompaul>but frankly if it is broken then report a bug
15:26<editheraven>strange, it acceptet my root passwd but it sayd "The '/usr/lib/cinnamon-settings/bin/ '/tmp/tmpqkHHne/Linux' 'Mint' 'Applets/org.cinnamon.applets.GnomeMenu.gschema.xml'' program was started with the privileges of the root user without the need to ask for a password, due to your system's authentication mechanism setup.
15:26<editheraven>It is possible that you are being allowed to run specific programs as user root without the need for a password, or that the password is cached.
15:26<editheraven>This is not a problem report; it's simply a notification to make sure you are aware of this."
15:27<ompaul>love the word mint in there
15:27<ompaul>signs of strange bedfellows
15:28<editheraven>how do I disable the root passw
15:28<ompaul>why anyone would think they had the skills to maintain and keep gnome2 going on going forward
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15:28<ompaul>editheraven: didn't I suggest something and say you need to check it out yourself
15:28<ompaul>man sudo then / and search for disable
15:28<mshuler>(it says Mint because editheraven is running Mint..)
15:29<ompaul>ah so we have lying going on
15:30<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
15:31<ompaul>sudo passwd -dl root
15:32<ixi> < editheraven> I have installed cinnamon on debian 7,
15:32<ixi>and then his software says mint
15:32<ompaul>so editheraven finds themselves /ignored
15:32<ixi>maybe cinnamon package has hardcoded strings/something?
15:33<ixi>just entertaining possibilities
15:33<ompaul>that would be stupid
15:33<ompaul>and no denials
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15:33<editheraven>i dont use mint
15:33<editheraven>Linux edi-debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
15:33<ompaul>so I'm not interested and the deed is done
15:33<mshuler>the screenshot he posted shows packages coming from the mint repos.. editheraven is running LMDE
15:34<ompaul>!based on debian
15:34<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
15:34<ompaul>no wonder they have problems being in the WRONG place to ask question s
15:34<editheraven>I needed mint repos for cinnamon.....
15:34<ompaul>oh linux sucks cos they don't know how I changed mine ... great way to go
15:34*mshuler sighs.. it's no longer debian nor relevant to #debian
15:34<ixi>ah, yes
15:34<ixi> on screenshot (right side)
15:35<ompaul>ixi: let's leave it
15:36<editheraven>I'm sorry. i thought that it's debian-rellevent somehow. have a nice day
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15:37<nextime>eightyeight : you are running debian as your base system, ok. But what people here are saying is that installing cinammon from linux mint repos you are mixing two different distro, so, any issue you can have doing it is only up to you, you can't expect help in those things from who is here to help and talk about one of the two distro you are mixing in your pc
15:37<nextime>too late.
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15:37<ixi>too late and wrong guy :P
15:37<nextime>wrong guy cause of tab completition
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15:38<nextime>sorry eightyeight, of course it wasn't for you.
15:38<guiniol_>hello all. I'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. I'm following this: but when I do apt-get dist-upgrade it tells me that no package need to be upgraded
15:38<guiniol_>any idea what I could do?
15:39<ixi>did you modify sources list? did you do apt-get update first ?
15:39<guiniol_>ixi: yes and yes
15:40<ixi>idk then ... pastebin your sources list, full log of apt-get update and full log of apt-get dist-upgrade
15:40<ixi>then we'll have something to work with
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15:43<ixi>it's less painful that
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15:45<guiniol_>apt-get update:
15:46<guiniol_>apt-get dist-upgrade:
15:46<guiniol_>ixi: there you go
15:47<ixi>guiniol_ what does `cat /etc/debian_version` say
15:48<ompaul>guiniol_: when did you last reboot?
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15:49<ixi>I see two possible ideas: 1) mirror is funny 2) some pinning is going on
15:50<guiniol_>ompaul: just now to make sure
15:50<guiniol_>ixi: the mirror works fine on another server
15:50<guiniol_>I can try with the default debian ones
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15:51<guiniol_>not sure about pinning, there shouldn't be any
15:51<ixi>guiniol_ yeah try official mirror..
15:52<ixi>also, do you have anything in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ directory ?
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15:55<guiniol_>trying the official mirrors gives me a few updates, like 3 or 4 because it wants to remove samba
15:56<ixi>if official mirror is still a no go, pastebin results of `apt-cache policy base-files`
15:57<ixi>guiniol_ update from squeeze to wheezy is typically more than a few updates.
15:57<guiniol_>ixi: I have a file in preferences.d saying:
15:57<guiniol_>ixi: yeah that's what I figured
15:57<ixi>guiniol_ well that explains it..
15:57<guiniol_>guess so
15:57<ixi>removing that file will allow you to upgrade; but the real question now is WHY is that file there.
15:57<guiniol_>lower priority means not installing
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15:58<guiniol_>there must have been a partially mixed install at some point
15:58<ixi>uh oh
15:58<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
15:59<ompaul>guiniol_: the best idea is back up your data get a netinstall CD and rock and roll from there
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16:00<guiniol_>I've been tasked with upgrading this server, not my choice of installing a frankendebian
16:00<guiniol_>i'll see what I can do
16:00<guiniol_>thanks for the help pinpointing the preference.d file
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16:23<PovAddict>this may be a bit offtopic but I'm not sure where else to ask
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16:23<mgv>PovAddict: usually #debian-offtopic is for offtopic things
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16:25<PovAddict>I bought a Lenovo U310, I want to put Debian in it without getting rid of the preinstalled Windows 7
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16:26<babilen>PovAddict: Go ahead, take care to *resize* partitions during the installation and not to use the entire disk for Debian. Have fun!
16:26<babilen>dpkg: tell PovAddict -about install debian
16:26<PovAddict>I ran gparted-live and found that the disk already has four primary partitions, probably related to the "system recovery" crap OEMs like to put in
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16:26<babilen>ah ... question wasn't asked.
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16:27<PovAddict>there's a small partition that seems to be for boot (not sure if it's an OEM thing or something Windows does in general)
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16:28<PovAddict>then the main system partition
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16:28<babilen>PovAddict: It's probably mostly UEFI/GPT related partitions
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16:29<PovAddict>the third seems to be a plain NTFS partition with data (app and driver installers), and the fourth has Lenovo recovery stuff
16:29<babilen>Ah well, no question .. see you in a bit!
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16:32<PovAddict>there also seems to be some BIOS-level fake raid to use the 32GB SSD as a cache? :/
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16:32<PovAddict>is it even possible to install Debian here without wiping clean all that nonsense and thus breaking Windows? :/
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16:34<daemonkeeper>PovAddict: The first "boot" partition is an EFI "improvement" and absolutely required to boot Windows.
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16:41<blubberdiblub>daemonkeeper, are you sure PovAddict is using UEFI? he mentioned windows 7 and "primary" partitions
16:42<daemonkeeper>Windows 7 requires UEFI so he for sure has :)
16:42<daemonkeeper>Or was that Windows 8?
16:42<blubberdiblub>erm, no. windows 7 does not require UEFI
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16:42<blubberdiblub>yes, that was windows 8
16:42<ixi>I don't think windows 8 requires uefi
16:43<babilen>It does not *require* GPT/UEFI but a lot of new desktops/laptops that come with it are using it.
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16:43<babilen>Either way, doesn't our installer handle UEFI/GPT if that were the case?
16:43<blubberdiblub>also, the "primary partition" concept doesn't make a lot of sense with GPT partitions
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16:47<ixi>so many unnecessary stuff
16:47*ixi would just wipe that clean..
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16:48<blubberdiblub>assuming the laptop didn't come with install media, that would mean he'd lose it
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16:53<gruetzkopf>create a sparse image of the disk?
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17:02<nextime>my solution is: virtualize the original windows install on a kvm machine inside debian and make a backup copy of the virtual disk
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17:19<dutchfish>nextime, i dont want to be offensive, but that wont work with an OEM install .... unless you do a MAK
17:20<dutchfish>nextime, its hardware bound
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17:22<dutchfish>nextime, sure you can install any, but not activate them
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17:22<dutchfish>just my thoughts
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17:22<blubberdiblub>and there might be performance reasons for keeping it directly on the host and dual booting instead of using a VM
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17:24<dutchfish>altho how much i like to see it otherwise, it is as it is
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17:31<RainbowW>is there a way to get bzip2 to compress all files in a directory, and then discard the compressed versions if the compression is negative, on a by-file basis? eg bzip2 *.tar, when the run is done i get a mixture of .bz2 and .tar files, based on whether any space was saved or not
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17:33<PovAddict>RainbowW: given the overhead of tar, I'd say you'd always get a minimum savings :P
17:33<dutchfish>RainbowW, you might want to take a peak at
17:33<nextime>dutchfish : my solution was of course sayd just as a joke
17:34<RainbowW>PovAddict, incorrect. i'm presently getting some tar files of -0.45% or so. the files inside are compressed sound files (flac) so the results aren't surprising, but it's incorrect to say you *always* get a savings. :)
17:34<dutchfish>nextime, ah ok
17:34<PovAddict>RainbowW: let me think of a sane way to check which of two files is larger :)
17:35<RainbowW>dutchfish, thx tho fusecompress isn't useful in this application. i'm prepping files for download over a slow link, where saving a half percent is a useful savings.
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17:35<dutchfish>RainbowW, ah ok, maybe script it (perl/nash)
17:35<PovAddict>RainbowW: have you considered xz? better compression and faster to decompress than bzip2
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17:37<PovAddict>nextime: "solution" for me? my network insability made me miss it
17:37<RainbowW>PovAddict, will check. i suppose the best way to do this is <compress util> -k and then do a file size compare? ugh. i'm not much of a scripter. i should learn.
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17:38<imdea> anyone knows how could I repair this: /usr/bin/dpkg: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/dpkg: undefined symbol: is_selinux_enabled ?
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17:38<imdea>it's a wheezy box
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17:41<PovAddict>RainbowW: done; testing
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17:45<RainbowW>PovAddict, what language/shell?
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17:45<PovAddict>I forgot the #!/usr/bin/python :)
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17:46<blubberdiblub>PovAddict, we were not sure if you're booting from BIOS/MBR or UEFI/GPT, although all indications you gave pointed to the former
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17:47<RainbowW>PovAddict, it's running thank you, i'll have to dig further when i get home from work. sadly, bitches apparently can't live without their pizza.
17:47<RainbowW>but it's got plenty to compress ... 300g takes a while to bz2. :)
17:47<nextime>PovAddict : don't care about my "solution", it was a joke.
17:48<nextime>PovAddict and no, it wasn't for you anyway
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17:48<PovAddict>apparently the recovery (4th) partition has a WMI image of Windows
17:48<PovAddict>so maybe for now I could just nuke the Windows partition and install Debian alone
17:49<PovAddict>and later I can get Windows back by restoring from that thing
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17:50<blubberdiblub>PovAddict, what about that "driver" partition? does it really only contain not-yet-installed drivers? if so, you could probably put that into a logical partition instead and linux into another logical partition
17:50<PovAddict>hmm yeah perhaps I could use that slot
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17:52<PovAddict>how do I turn an existing primary partition to a logical partition without data loss though? take note of the sector numbers?
17:52<blubberdiblub>PovAddict, not easily. it won't fit, due to metadata overhead of extended/logical partitions
17:54<blubberdiblub>PovAddict, resizing or alternatively backing up the files, creating a new partition+filesystem and restoring the files
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18:10<PovAddict>backup it is
18:11*PovAddict looks for an ethernet cable
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18:14<PovAddict>my second ethernet interface might be off at the bios level :/
18:15<PovAddict>oh it's not, just weird naming (I have eth0 and eth2)
18:16<blubberdiblub>!tell PovAddict about 70
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18:26<PovAddict>what are /dev/sgN devices?
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18:54<tich>Hi, i asked this on #debian-live but didn't get a response. If this isn't the right channel to ask this please redirect me -- i have been trying make a bootable usb but so far the only thing i get is a black screen with a blinking cursor. i followed the instructions for using 'dd' from the debian page. any suggestions?
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18:54<PovAddict>tich: i haven't had problems with debian; but!
18:55<PovAddict>tich: yesterday I was trying to make a bootable USB for gparted-live, the website said dd'ing the .iso file to a pendrive was supposed to work, but didn't
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18:55<PovAddict>tich: the "manual" instructions did work: creating a FAT32 partition, copying the files in there directly, then running a script to make it bootable
18:56<PovAddict>tich: there are also several tools to automate that, the gparted-live manual mentioned tuxboot and unetbootin
18:57<AndyJ>good morning people, I'm still struggling to get a desktop (X) running... I've found suggestions that "nomodeset" may assist as a boot option... can anyone point to a method for setting boot kernel options for wheezy
18:57<tich>PovAddict, where is the "manual"? --oh, unetbootin works?
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18:57<babilen>Well, I guess it really depends which image one copies to the stick :)
18:57<babilen>tich: Do you want to install Debian from USB?
18:57<PovAddict>tich: I didn't try those tools, and the instructions I followed may be specific to gparted-live
18:58<babilen>unetbootin is known to break our installers, no idea about the live images
18:58<PovAddict>just saying that it's possible some tools or manual procedures may give better results than using the isohybrid, depending on your hardware
18:58<babilen>AndyJ: Which GPU? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga)
18:59<AndyJ>Radeon HD 6950
18:59<babilen>AndyJ: And what have you tried so far -- It really shouldn't be that hard to get Xorg running
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18:59<PovAddict>tich: just fyi, what I followed was the Linux method B from here:
18:59<PovAddict>tich: but it's very well possible that nothing in that page will directly apply to debian :)
19:00<AndyJ>My current thinking is that X is running fine, but the monitor can't handle the output
19:00<Argure>tich: hdiutil convert -format UDRW -o ~/path/to/target.img ~/path/to/netinst.iso && unmountDisk /dev/disk# && sudo dd if=/path/to/netinst.img of=/dev/disk# bs=1M && diskutil eject /dev/disk#
19:00<babilen>AndyJ: That GPU almost certainly requires firmware -- Did you install that already or did you use an installer with firmwware?
19:00<Argure>that should work.
19:00<AndyJ>Xorg.0.conf shows no errors
19:00<babilen>dpkg: tell AndyJ about radeon
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19:00<AndyJ>Thanks people, looking!
19:00<babilen>dpkg: tell AndyJ about radeon firmware
19:01<AndyJ>Ah... I have fglrx installed
19:01<babilen>AndyJ: Ah, okay .. well, why? That is an important detail isn't it? How did you install/configure that?
19:02<AndyJ> I went to that, because nothing else had worked so far.
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19:03<babilen>AndyJ: Really, most radeon cards work just fine with the open driver *if* you have the firmware and opengl1-mesa-dri. How did you install fglrx? Did you follow ?
19:03<AndyJ>yes, those are the instructions that I followed
19:04<AndyJ>However, when I start X, the monitor displays the backlight only, and the keyboard stops working.
19:05<AndyJ>According to the monitor manual, this is a symptom of the monitor not understanding the input
19:06<babilen>AndyJ: Well, I will soon leave, but it would be helpful if you could paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to
19:06<babilen>dpkg: tell AndyJ -about nopaste
19:06<babilen>(in case you can't paste easily)
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19:08<PovAddict>oh snap
19:08*PovAddict is an idiot
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19:09<PovAddict>blubberdiblub: I just backed up the recovery partition using ntfsclone... into a FAT32 partition
19:09<AndyJ>weird... aptitude just uninstalled fglrx-driver when installing nopaste
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19:10<PovAddict>the image file is obviously larger than 4GB m(
19:10<PovAddict>"fflush: File to large"
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19:13<babilen>AndyJ: It shouldn't do that and this probably means that your fglrx installation was somehow, well, suboptimal
19:13<AndyJ>Yep... re-installing now...
19:13<tich>PovAddict, Argure: thanks. (and sorry for the delayed response)
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19:15<AndyJ>just restarting now, then I'll try to restart x (i.e. startx)
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19:17<AndyJ>OK X is still just a blank screen, restarting again and then I'll paste xorg.0.log
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19:28<babilen>AndyJ: Ah, looks like either you configured it wrongly (you did not use the configuration file at or as if you installed the wrong driver. (did you check the compatibility as discussed at tbe beginning?) -- I have to leave now. My personal recommendation would be to use the radeon driver (with firmware, opengl1-mesa-dri), but you could keep on working on fglrx.
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19:30<AndyJ>Thanks for your assistance!
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19:34<AndyJ>The config file is identical to the file specified, but it contains nothing but the single device section, I've tried building a more complex config file but hasn't addressed the problem.
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19:35<AndyJ>I started this journey with the set of open-source drivers with exactly the same result, and have a vague memory that I had to specify nomodeset as a boot parameter... the last time I upgraded this system
19:35<AndyJ>so, can anyone point me to a description of how to set kernel boot parameters?
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19:36<PovAddict>you can add boot parameters in the grub menu when you boot
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19:37<PovAddict>will only affect that one boot, won't be stored permanently, but that's probably a good idea when testing
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19:39<AndyJ>So for example, boot, hit "e" and just type in the parameter in the resulting screen?
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19:41<AndyJ>error unknown command nomodeset
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19:47<AndyJ>nope, that hasn't worked...
19:48<AndyJ>more digging is clearly required here...
19:48<AndyJ>i.e. setting "nomodeset" as a boot parameter (I found the right place) hasn't fixed the error
19:49<PovAddict>did you manage to properly set the boot parameter?
19:49<AndyJ>yes, and it didn't change the problem
19:49<gsimmons>AndyJ: Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) is already disabled by installation of the fglrx driver, through its blacklisting of the radeon module.
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19:50<AndyJ>I'm now thinking that I need to add to the (almost empty) xorg.conf file created as per the debian wiki instructions...
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19:54<AndyJ>the xorg.conf file is quite small as you can see here:
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19:54<AndyJ>I think the intention is that configuration is automatic due to a handshake of some kind with the monitor, I'm guessing that this monitor is not that smart.
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20:14<gsimmons>AndyJ: Based on your paste, try adding BusID "PCI:7:0:0" within the Device section of your fglrx xorg configuration file.
20:16<gsimmons>Was that paste complete, by the way? I was expecting more detail after line 118.
20:16<AndyJ>Yes, that's probably the point where everything just stops
20:17<AndyJ>I've added the line BusID "PCI:7:0:0" within the device section, and will reboot and paste the log output.
20:17<AndyJ>i.e. still blank screen
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20:23<AndyJ>current conf file 20-fglrx.conf:
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20:26<PovAddict>okay, got the partitioning done
20:26<PovAddict>now I booted the netinst
20:27<PovAddict>it fails at "Detect and mount CD-ROM"
20:27<PovAddict>the laptop doesn't have a CD drive, I'm booting from USB pendrive
20:27<PovAddict>what am I supposed to do now?
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20:52<LtL>PovAddict: try setting boot priority in your BIOS.
20:52<PovAddict>the installer boots properly
20:52<PovAddict>asks me for language, country, keymap
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20:53<gsimmons>AndyJ: Please try reverting back to use of the open source radeon driver; you would also be required to purge the fglrx-driver package (to remove the radeon blacklist). After moving your xorg configuration snippet away, restart the system and try X again. I'd interested in a Xorg.0.log paste from that.
20:53<LtL>PovAddict: hrm, you know ive heard of this before but the solution eludes me.
20:53<PovAddict>it's the CD-ROM detection step within d-i which fails
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20:54<AndyJ>OK. but will need assistance, the instruction is a little generic for my skill level
20:54<gsimmons>PovAddict: How did you prepare the USB netinst media?
20:54<AndyJ>I can find the open souce drivers instructions. but don't know how to purge
20:55<PovAddict>gsimmons: dd'ing the isohybrid directly into the USB device
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20:55<PovAddict>I'll try the second option now (boot.img etc)
20:56<AndyJ>once i figure out the aptitute unistall purge, I'll follow these instructions
20:56<gsimmons>PovAddict: Did you remember to output to the entire disk (e.g /dev/sdb), not just a single partition within (e.g. /dev/sdb1)? It's a common mistake made (also by me).
20:57<gsimmons>AndyJ: "aptitude purge fglrx-driver" should cover most of it.
20:58<PovAddict>in fact I seem to have no partition device nodes for the pendrive
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21:12<brunojesus>hi all, after upgrading from debian 6 to 7 I'm no longer able to compile wine because the package ia32-libs is no longer available. is there any way to fix this?
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21:12<dpkg>ia32-* packages provide a subset of libraries from <i386> for <amd64> systems. They are typically needed by 32-bit only software (such as <skype> or <wine>) and have been obsoleted in Debian 7 "Wheezy" by the introduction of <multiarch>. Wheezy users should ask me about <upgrade ia32 libs> for upgrade instructions.
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21:14<AndyJ>made all the changes include removing nomodeset rebooting now
21:15<sney>brunojesus: also, wine 1.4 (current upstream stable) and wine 1.5 are both available packaged in debian now, it's not like it used to be when 1.0.old was the only thing you could get
21:15<sney>1.5 is only in sid but it's backportable through apt so all the work has already been done
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21:16<brunojesus>thanks for the information, actually I always test from wine-git. so I really have to compile from sources
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21:16<AndyJ>gsimmons: X can't start
21:16<sney>!tell brunojesus about uupdate
21:16<brunojesus>I'm reading the information provided by dpkg
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21:17<sney>uupdate is neat because (often) you can just use the existing packaging work that has been done by the maintainer, with the new code
21:17<sney>and not have to do your own dependency fights. usually.
21:18<brunojesus>the problem is that after adding the i386 arch in dpkg apt-get still does not install the ia32 package
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21:19<sney>because the ia32 package doesn't exist. the whole ia32-libs infrastructure is obsolete due to multiarch; you don't need a package called 'ia32-libs' if you can directly install the same i386 dependencies that you would if you were building wine on a 32-bit system
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21:19<gsimmons>AndyJ: You did purge the fglrx-driver package? The radeon blacklist might still be part of initramfs, run "update-initramfs -u" to make sure. Other than checking to see nomodeset is not being included at the kernel command line (cat /proc/cmdline), restart the system and try again.
21:19<brunojesus>I tried that too but then apt-get trys to remove all other packages. let me explain by example, please wait a moment
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21:20<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
21:21<brunojesus>should I post here or in private?
21:21<AndyJ>i took it out of the grub cfg and re-ran grub update
21:21<AndyJ>New boot image generated, I'll try again
21:21<sney>brunojesus: paste on the pastebin linked just now and link in the channel
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21:24<brunojesus>this is the output of apt-get + my current sources list. maybe it's just a sources problem...
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21:25<AndyJ>same error
21:27<gsimmons>AndyJ: Does /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf exist? Is nomodeset stated within /proc/cmdline?
21:28<brunojesus>this is other example trying to install libc-dev and libpng-dev
21:28<AndyJ>no, nomodeset doesn't appear in /proc/cmdline
21:28<sney>brunojesus: your sources.list is weird, man
21:29<sney>everything from line 17 down is nonsense
21:29<AndyJ>fglrx-driver.conf does not appear in /etc/modprobe.d
21:29<brunojesus>great =) please post yours and I'll copy
21:29<brunojesus>I found that somewhere in google
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21:30<PovAddict>stable and testing and unstable and experimental all enabled o.O
21:30<sney>what debian version are you using? sid?
21:30<PovAddict>and three mirrors
21:30<sney>and 'wheezy sid experimental main'
21:30<PovAddict>I don't even want to know what mix of actually-installed packages you have from those different sources
21:31<sney>it is probably just sid at this point unless he's pinning
21:31<brunojesus>I had debian 6 for a long time, then I decided to upgrade to 7. I guess I followed too many different guides
21:31<gsimmons>AndyJ: Right, thanks for confirming. Have you installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package? (/msg dpkg radeon firmware)
21:31<AndyJ>Ah! blacklist-fglrx.conf
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21:32<PovAddict>brunojesus: if you have sid in your sources.list, and you didn't set up pinning or Default-Release, and you're keeping your packages up-to-date, you're essentially in sid
21:32<AndyJ>killing that file now
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21:32<brunojesus>is there a way to fix this mess? I mean can anyone provide me a good wheezy list then?
21:33<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb wheezy main" "deb wheezy/updates main" "deb wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
21:33<brunojesus>this bot is really fantastic
21:33<stderr>But it's probably not as simple as that, if you're on sid...
21:33<PovAddict>afaik, you'd have to downgrade your existing packages, and downgrading is not supported
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21:34<AndyJ>ooo something has changed! reboot is now showing small font on screen!
21:34<AndyJ>x is trying to start
21:35<AndyJ>Errror: Oh No! something is wrong
21:35<sney>brunojesus: have you done a dist-upgrade since using that sources.list?
21:35<brunojesus>yeah over 800mib
21:35<PovAddict>you're in sid then
21:35<sney>ok. you're using sid. so this is easy
21:36<sney>the [arch=] statements are ubuntu-only, so your sources.list is 2 lines:
21:36<PovAddict>didn't know that re: arch=
21:36<sney>deb sid main contrib non-free
21:36<sney>and then again with deb-src. and that's it
21:37<brunojesus>is there any command to clear all old package lists? or apt-get update takes care of that?
21:37<AndyJ>I haven't installed firmware yet,
21:37<PovAddict>AndyJ: no such paste
21:37<PovAddict>mistyped number?
21:37<sney>(well, I think they work in debian, maybe, but the recommended method is dpkg --add-architecture)
21:37<PovAddict>brunojesus: apt-get update will take care of it
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21:38<sney>brunojesus: yeah apt-get update. apt-get clean will delete all of apt's old files as well but that includes any already-downloaded packages
21:38<PovAddict>doesn't matter though
21:39<PovAddict>if apt-get update doesn't delete old package lists, at least it will ignore them
21:39<sney>yeah, it's just disk space
21:39<AndyJ>firmware-linux-nonfree is already installed
21:39<gsimmons>AndyJ: So, are things working better now? You may want to move /etc/X11/xorg.conf away, unless this is required for your setup.
21:39<AndyJ>x almost started so better, just no success quite yet
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21:40<AndyJ>the instructions required the simple xorg.conf file, I'll rename and see if things work better
21:40<PovAddict>I'm supposed to dd boot.img.gz into a partition, not the raw device?
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21:41<AndyJ>loosing connection to Xserver
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21:44<LtL>PovAddict: as far as i know, there should be no partition on the pendrive.
21:44<brunojesus>that seems to have fixed my problems, thank you all very much
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21:44<PovAddict>ok, I copied it into the raw pendrive device
21:45<PovAddict>mounted it (feels weird typing mount /dev/sdc with no partition number!)
21:45<PovAddict>copied the netinst iso in there
21:45<PovAddict>unmounted, put pendrive on the laptop
21:45<PovAddict>it doesn't even boot; if I select the pendrive from the boot menu, it thinks for a few seconds and then boots Windows off the HD
21:46<AndyJ>X has started, I have a desktop, but nothing on it.
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21:46<AndyJ>CTRL-ALT-F1 works now
21:47<AndyJ>CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE does not end the x session
21:47<LtL>PovAddict: if you gunzip the image will it still fit? i wouldn't think a .gz image would work. i'm used to .iso images.
21:48<AndyJ>XKEYBOARD kepmap reporting errors
21:48<PovAddict>well, naturally I decompressed it
21:48<PovAddict>it's a raw disk image, I don't think the BIOS supports gzip :)
21:48<gsimmons>AndyJ: Zapping has been disabled by default for a while now (/msg dpkg dontzap).
21:49<AndyJ>no other way out than reboot?
21:49<AndyJ>I have a root session open on tty2
21:49<PovAddict>AndyJ: if Ctrl-alt-f1 works, you can restart X from the console
21:50<PovAddict>I have KDE, to restart I can use: /etc/init.d/kdm restart
21:50<AndyJ>from root, it goes straight to the "Oh no! Something has gone wrong message"
21:50<PovAddict>LtL: ok, plan C :/
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21:51<AndyJ>OK I killed the xsession from tty2
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22:01<AndyJ>gsimmons: clearly we've made a lot of progress, but I'm wondering how to keep going... I have an X session (of sorts) with nothing on the desktop... is there a command to start Gnome 3 or suchlike?
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22:05<The_ghost>Ok, Im trying to changing my Desktop Environment from Gome3 to KDE can anyone point me a way ?
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22:06<The_ghost>Ok, Im trying to changing my Desktop Environment from Gome3 to KDE can anyone point me a way ?
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22:07<gsimmons>AndyJ: I'm personally unfamiliar with GNOME, but the system's default window manager (e.g. mutter) should be started for you. "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" may be of use.
22:07<AndyJ>I'm not particularly keen on Gnome, i'm just trying to find a graphical environment...
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22:08<AndyJ>So far the X session is empty
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22:08<The_ghost>that makes two of us then, im channging to xfce or kde
22:08<AndyJ>i.e no apps, no menus, nothing but the debian wallpaper
22:08<sney>!tell The_ghost about install kde
22:09<AndyJ>and it keeps giving me the "Oh no" error
22:10<sney>The_ghost: if you have some question, ask it in the channel
22:11<sney>The_ghost: I will not respond to your private message. the dpkg bot sent you instructions for installing kde. if you have a specific problem, ask, in the channel.
22:11<The_ghost>look, im trying to install kde, on a already installed gnome3 interface, how would i go about doing it
22:11<sney>do you see the new private message window you have from dpkg?
22:12<The_ghost>no try again
22:12<sney>!tell The_ghost about install kde
22:13<sney>just pick one of the package names it told you, and do e.g. 'apt-get install kde-standard' or whichever one you want. it'll bring in the dependencies and other components and you'll have a new option at your login window
22:13<The_ghost>ahhhhhhhhh thanks i got it
22:13<The_ghost>thank you :)
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22:25<AndyJ>Thank you gsimmons for your help. update-alternatives --config x-window-manager has revealed that there were no desktops installed... i.e. no gnome, no kde, no mutter... installing gnome now. :)
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22:26<PovAddict>I got it to boot *and* find the rest of the d-i files
22:30<william>Hello everybody. I have a problem with my hdd, my hdd was internal and I have to change it to external, but when I boot from external hdd grub froze and only appear a message "loading grub"
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22:36<dddeeefff>Hi. For some reason I've got no usermod command. Can I just do apt-get install usermod to get it?
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22:38<LtL>dddeeefff: this should do it. apt-get install liblinux-usermod-perl
22:39<dddeeefff>any idea why it wasn't installed to begin with?
22:39<LtL>dddeeefff: nope!
22:41<dddeeefff>Thats strange... After installing, I try to do the command on a non-root account and it says the command doesn't exist, yet it lets me do it as root
22:41<dddeeefff>Instead it should have told me that I didn't have permission
22:43<dddeeefff>oh and on top of that the following command appeared not to change my primary group: usermod -g www-data site
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22:44<dddeeefff>I'm trying to change the primiary group of the user who has permission to edit the website to www-data so I don't have to change the group manually every time I create a file
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22:50<LtL>dddeeefff: man usermod .. make sure that syntax is right. I'm not to sure thats a proper method to accomplish that
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22:51<LtL>dddeeefff: also odd that the command disappeared on you.
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22:55<kingsley>dddeeefff: What does ...
22:55<kingsley>$ dpkg -l passwd
22:56<m0s1n>hi everyone. I used to use linux about 10 years ago and am trying to take it up as a hobby again. A lot has changed. Ill probably be on here pretty often, so I just thought I'd say hi
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22:58<dddeeefff>kingsley: this:
22:59<dddeeefff>checked the man for usermod and it looks to me like I'm doing the command right, although I'm not that great at reading them
22:59<dddeeefff>doing the command again: "usermod -g www-data site" tells me "usermod: no changes"
23:00<kingsley>dddeeefff: At least for me, usermod is in the passwd package, which you seem to have installed.
23:00<kingsley>dddeeefff: Does ...
23:00<kingsley>$ dpkg -L passwd | egrep usermod
23:00<dddeeefff>oh, and "id -g -n site" is reporting that the group is set correctly
23:00<kingsley>find it?
23:01<dddeeefff>yeah I think so. It looks like it was installed. I'm going to test creating a file again as that user to see if the changes have applied
23:01<william>I have a problem with my hdd, my hdd was internal and I have to change it to external, but when I boot from external hdd grub froze and only appear a message "loading grub" there's no menu to boot OS
23:01<kingsley>If "usermod -g www-data site" reports "usermod: no changes", I think you have the usermod command.
23:02<dddeeefff>yeah, it appears to have worked now
23:03<kingsley>william: I don't know exactly what the problem is, but I do know the error you describe is fairly common and frustratingly vague.
23:04<kingsley>william: I find myself wondering if grub and/or the kernel now sees your hard drive as different device, like /dev/sda or /dev/sdb, and thus are not yet ready to boot from it.
23:04<dddeeefff>maybe I had to log out of and back in to the account for it to work. doing "usermod" as the the non-root user "site" is still returning "bash: usermod:: command not found", not that it bothers me since I can log in as root to solve the issue
23:04<dddeeefff>Thanks for the help anyway
23:05<kingsley>william: When something like this happens to me, I often boot from a rescue CD, like SystemRescueCD, and reinstall grub with the new device name.
23:07<PovAddict>okay! making progress
23:07<PovAddict>I... installed debian
23:07<PovAddict>I can't boot it though, :P
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23:08<william>i'd like to get more details of grub but i don't know how to get information
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23:09<kingsley>william: I need to go, but before I do, humbly suggest searching google's indices for documentation on grub and SystemRescueCD, if posoble.
23:09<kingsley>william: Good luck. :-)
23:10<LtL>william: you could look at `info grub` in a terminal, google as well
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23:12<PovAddict>I have a laptop with EFI and Windows 7, there's a small partition at the beginning which I've been told has the EFI stuff
23:13<PovAddict>in debian-installer, if I tell it to use that partition for EFI, does it wipe it and install its own efi stuff there, or does it only add the necessary things to make Linux bootable through EFI, leaving Linux working?
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23:17<m0s1n>are there any gurus around?
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23:23<m0s1n>I have a toshiba regza 42" hdtv that im currently using as my monitor through vga cable. the problem is that the laptop isnt recieving any edid information from the tv, so i cant have any resolutions other than 1024x768.
23:24<m0s1n>i dont quite understand the whole edid thing, but after searching for over an hour, all i could come up with is that my problem is definitely a missing edid from the tv
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23:28<LtL>m0s1n: an HDMI inferface should cure that
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23:30<m0s1n>this an older laptop. no hdmi. my other laptop with hdmi displays just fine 1080p. this one works fine in win7 as well
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23:41<LtL>m0s1n: sorry, sidetracked. you might try messing with xrandr
23:41<PovAddict>ok, it seems it can't add itself to that EFI partition
23:41<PovAddict>because it's NTFS instead of vfat (wut)
23:43<m0s1n>ill look into it, thx for the tip ltl
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23:44<LtL>m0s1n: good luck man :)
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23:51<The_ghost>Hey im back, now could someone tell me about the xfce environment, how may i add it on debian ?
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