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---Logopened Sun Jul 07 00:00:54 2013
00:01<The_ghost>I would like to install the xfce environment any one know how ?????
00:03<Hydroxide>The_ghost: apt-get install xfce4
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00:04<PovAddict>ok, time for some alchemy
00:04<PovAddict>I'll try to make a single bootable USB with debian installer and gparted-live >.>
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00:18<g_>hi
00:18<g_>any women here
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00:31<m0s1n>lTl: thx for the advice. xrandr is exactly what got the job done for me. im now displaying at the max resolution my tv supports over vga...1360x760. you're my hero for the next 15 minutes
00:31<m0s1n>768*
00:32<LtL>m0s1n: excellent! well done
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00:33<LtL>m0s1n: 15 *whole* minutes.. wow ;)
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00:40<PovAddict>ok
00:40<PovAddict>it turns out
00:40<PovAddict>that partition at the beginning has Windows boot stuff, but it's *not* an "EFI partition"
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01:06<Borgbox>whois borgbox
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02:39<bullgard4>'~$ sudo showmount; [sudo] password for <username>: ***; clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered.' What does that mean?
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02:40<CHITO>que tal no sabes donde puedo descargar cyberlinux 1.3
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02:41<bullgard4>yo no sabe.
02:42<m0s1n>bullgard4: http://geekinlinux.blogspot.com/2011/11/clntcreate-rpc-program-not-registered.html was the very firs link when i googled that error message exactly.
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02:44<m0s1n>did you try searching?
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03:10<borgbox1>Just started using Debian. Having issues with Youtube. Videos are slow in SD and freeze in HD. Any pointers? I updated my Xorg drivers for the Radeon HD 4850, did a linux firmware update as well.
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03:13<bullgard4>m0s1n: My remote server is no Debian but a Linux running an embedded ARM processor. I'd like to determine if the nfs service is running on my remote server or not. '~ # ls -al /sys/module/nfs; drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Jul 7 08:54 .; drwxr-xr-x 30 root root 0 Jul 7 08:54 ..; drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jul 7 08:54 parameters.' I am lost...
03:13<bullgard4>...because my basic knowledge about NFS is insufficient.
03:15<nbags>bullgard4: nfs can also be in the kernel (not a module)
03:15<bullgard4>nbags: How to find out if it is in that kernel?
03:16<nbags>bullgard4: is there a /proc/config.gz ?
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03:17<nbags>bullgard4: if not just try to use it and see if it works
03:18<nbags>nfs can be in userspace too ;)
03:18<bullgard4>nbags: »/proc # ls -al | grep config.gz« does not produce any output.
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03:19<nbags>bullgard4: u wanting to use an nfs server or nfs client?
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03:19<khades>The_ghost
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03:20<khades>oh man
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03:21<bullgard4>nbags: I have tired '~$ sudo showmount; [sudo] password for <username>: ***; clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered.' So this at least did not work.What else should I do to try?
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03:22<nbags>so u are trying to see if nfs is actually _running_ on the device? or whether the device supports it?
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03:23<bullgard4>nbags: I'd like to use the Network File System protocol to exchange data between a remote NAS(-server) and my Debian Wheezy computer.
03:24<nbags>bullgard4: ok so you want the device to act as an nfs server? does it have the command exportfs?
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03:27<bullgard4>nbags: On the remote machine (the NAS device): '/ # exportfs; /i-data/0xxxxxxx 192.168.178.0/24; /i-data/0xxxxxxx/nfs/nas-nfs; <world>; /i-data/0xxxxxxx/music <world>.'
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03:30<nbags>bullgard4: and do u get any errors, if you exportfs -r
03:30<bullgard4>nbags: No.
03:31<nbags>bullgard4: check dmesg and syslog to be sure but it sounds like nfs is running
03:31<nbags>u might need portmap running as well
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03:33<bullgard4>nbags: '~$ dmesg | grep nfs; [ 20.953581] FS-Cache: Netfs 'nfs' registered for caching; [ 20.969063] Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de).'
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03:34<nbags>bullgard4: if there are no errors nfs should be running. but you may also need portmap running (i don't know the details of this). u can use nmap or something to check if nfs is actually listening on a port, which is accessible from your wheezy client. if thats all ok then maybe there is a configuration problem on the client
03:35<bullgard4>nbags: '~$ sudo cat /var/log/syslog | grep nfs' does not produce any output.
03:35<stderr>netstat -pna | grep 111 should tell if portmap is listening.
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03:38<stderr>As far as I know, the NFS server doesn't have to run on a well-known port (that's why you need portmap), but all of mine are running on port 2049, so you might want to check netstat -pna | grep 2049
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03:50<bullgard4>stderr: On my Debian machine: ':~$ sudo netstat -pna | grep 111; tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1735/rpcbind; tcp6 0 0 :::111 :::* LISTEN 1735/rpcbind; udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* 1735/rpcbind; udp6 0 0 :::111 :::* 1735/rpcbind.'
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03:52<bullgard4>stderr: ':~$ LANG=C sudo netstat -pna | grep 2049; tcp 0 0 192.168.178.32:1022 192.168.178.33:2049 ESTABLISHED -'
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03:54<stderr>.33 is the NAS box?
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03:55<stderr>Can you check those ports on the NAS-box?
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03:58<bullgard4>'~$ sudo nmap 192.168.178.33; Nmap scan report for nas-server (192.168.178.33); Host is up (0.00072s latency). PORT STATE SERVICE; ...; 2049/tcp open nfs.'
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04:00<nbags>bullgard4: what about trying with proto=tcp? maybe the client is trying to connect over udp
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04:01<stderr>Is the client .32?
04:02<nbags>looks like tcp is the default these days anyway
04:02<bullgard4>stderr: My Debian machine has the network IP address 192.168178.32.
04:02<stderr>It seems the client is already connected to the server.
04:02<stderr><bullgard4> stderr: ':~$ LANG=C sudo netstat -pna | grep 2049; tcp 0 0 192.168.178.32:1022 192.168.178.33:2049 ESTABLISHED -'
04:02<nbags>are there errors on the client? in dmesg?
04:03<nbags>maybe different nfs versions or something
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04:05<bullgard4>nbags: ':~$ dmesg | grep err' does not show any relevant errors.
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04:07<bullgard4>stderr: '[10:02] stderr It seems the client is already connected to the server.'. I know that server and client are connected at least via the DAAP protocol.
04:08<stderr>The client is connected to the server on port 2049... NFS.
04:08<bullgard4>nbags: It is likely that client and server are using different NFS versions. I find it difficult to change that.
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04:09<bullgard4>To correct that, rather.
04:09<bullgard4>stderr: Yes.
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04:10<nbags>bullgard4: if thats the case you should see an error indicating that
04:11<nbags>is the nas running a firewall?
04:11<nbags>"iptables -L"
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04:14<bullgard4>nbags: I have not found a NFS error in the dmesg log.
04:14<bullgard4>nbags: No, the NAS is not running a firewall.
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04:16<bullgard4>iptables is not installed there.
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05:30<RainbowW>so i have a bash script ... if i call a python script from it, when the python script is finished executing, will the bash script pick up on the next line? or do i need to do something other than a simple command-line invocation to make execution return to the bash script?
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06:38<vikesh>hi
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06:39<Parsa>hi anyone
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06:39<Parsa>سلام به همه ایرانیان
06:40<Parsa>ایرانی هست/
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06:57<Rado>RainbowW, uh? done any scrpting before?
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07:00<Argure>linux sucks, I can't even do this one simple thing I can on windows
07:00<Argure>okay, so, now that that's got everyone's attention... :P
07:01<Argure>how can I use shorewall (or iptables, if I must), to route traffic over a specific port range, (e.g. 5000-5100) to a specific interface (e.g., eth0:1)
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07:01<Argure>the service I'm trying to set up doesn't support binding to a particular interface/address :/
07:02<Argure>for iptables, I'm thinking along the lines of: `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -p tcp --dport 5000 -j SNAT --to-source 123.123.123.123` though I haven't tested this yet
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07:02<Argure>but I'd much prefer shorewall, as iptables is a pain to put in a vcs
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07:03<Rado>Argure, use fwbuilder.
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07:18<sladjan>Anyone tried running partclone.ext4 in quiet mode (option -q)? It gets stuck for me at some early point.
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07:22<gruetzkopf>meh, nm is being stupid again
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07:25<gnugr>sladjan:i think there isn't a -q option http://partclone.nchc.org.tw/trac/wiki/Usage
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07:32<gruetzkopf>NetworkManager[3367]: <info> ignoring modem 'rfcomm0' (no associated Bluetooth device)
07:33<gruetzkopf>uhm nm, how is there any rfcomm without a bt device?
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07:36<SynrG>misconfigured, likely?
07:38<Zaba>it's bluez, it doesn't follow the laws of logic and reason
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08:30<peej>I want to get a backport for my rt2800pci onto my wheezy. Is the recommended way to do that https://github.com/aptivate/debian-compat-drivers-dkms ?
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08:34<gsimmons>peej: Installing a backported kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) is probably the easiest method.
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08:45<txomon|mobile>Hi, about UEFI in debian Wheezy?
08:45<abrotman>!uefi
08:45<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/
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08:47<txomon|mobile>Abrotman, and how am I supposed to use it? Because I tried with the official netinst image and I wasn't able to boot
08:47<abrotman>did you look in the install guide?
08:48<txomon|mobile>Which install guide?
08:48<abrotman>dpkg: tell txomon|mobile about errata
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08:48<abrotman>seriously? maybe the Wheezy Installation Manual?
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08:51<txomon|mobile>Abrotman, saw anything about UEFI there
08:51<abrotman>?
08:51<txomon|mobile>http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/
08:51<txomon|mobile>That one
08:51<Calinou>txomon|mobile: tip: if you don't dual boot with a UEFI windows, just boot in BIOS mode and install in BIOS mode
08:51<abrotman>that's not the installation manual
08:51<abrotman>oh, it is, sorry
08:52<abrotman>txomon|mobile: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/#errata there's a note about UEFI
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08:54<txomon|mobile>Is there any special step that may be carried on to install it on UEFI mode?
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08:54<txomon|mobile>It says you may experience problems, but i saw no notes apart from the errata
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09:02<Argure>txomon|mobile: not that I know of, I installed debian-netinst from USB on an EFI system a few weeks ago without any particular difficulty
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09:03<Argure>txomon|mobile: keep in mind though that the proprietary nvidia drivers don't support pure efi mode booting in case you wanted to use them
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09:08<txomon|mobile>My problem is just with getting to grub
09:08<txomon|mobile>I am unable to boot
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09:08<txomon|mobile>I am going to retry...
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09:24<krababbel>I have dnsmasq running and I want to ping my local lan hosts using their hostnames. I can see the names in the leases list, but my dnsmasq machine can't ping by hostname. Is there any config I am missing, or is this impossible?
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09:27<krababbel>Maybe I have to tell dnsmasq to listen to 127.0.0.1, and add 127.0.0.1 to resolv.conf?
09:27<abrotman>krababbel: do you have some method to either update the DNS with their hostnames, or expose hostnames via some discovery protocol?
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09:29<krababbel>abrotman: I don't think so. I hoped dnsmasq would do that automatically, since it sees the client hostnames when they request a lease?
09:30<krababbel>abrotman: The server can ping itself using its hostname
09:31<krababbel>but, ok, thats because of the hosts file, sorry
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09:36<wakd>krababbel, http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/dhcp.dnsmasq discusses "Configuring dnsmasq to associate client hostnames with DHCP-supplied IP addresses"
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09:39<krababbel>wakd: OK, I'll try that again, I already read that one. :)
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09:40<abrotman>krababbel: i used to setup nmbd and include that in the nsswitch
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09:40<reening>Only root can lookup DNS names on my new install. IP addresses and names defined in /etc/hosts work just fine.
09:40<reening>What am I doing wrong?
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09:41<wakd>krababbel, I have not done it myself, but it looks like what you asked
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09:42<kdef>help - can anyone recommend a wifi adapter? pci-e or usb, right? was thinking atheros chipset
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09:42<kdef>pci-e with antennas, maybe?
09:44<krababbel>abrotman: OK, if I have to, I'll try that, I already have SAMBA installed. :)
09:45<abrotman>but all the systems need it
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09:50<krababbel>abrotman: OK, thanks for the info.
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10:00<ymir>Hi. I'm wondering if something is wrong. when i booted up my laptop, it said something about fan controls not working and something about pwmconfig needing to be run
10:00<ymir>sorry this is very vague
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10:01<ymir>it's also quite hot considering it's not doing anything, about 60§
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10:01<ymir>°
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10:04<krababbel>Thanks again abrotman, wakd. I added the config from the link, but this time used the correct IP... , my error
10:05<wakd>krababbel, heh :)
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10:11<krababbel>wakd: yes, option 6 was it, and adding 127.0.0.1 to resolv.conf on the server. It should be mentioned in the supplied dnsmasq.conf. :) Also I thought I read before, that adding 127.0.0.1 to resolv.conf could cause problems, but it might be that I am tired.
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10:12<krababbel>Well, the resolv.conf line is only neccessary to tell the server itself about the lan clients
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10:16<wakd>karababbel, FWIW my resolv.conf is "generated by resolvconf(8)" and contains "nameserver 127.0.0.1". I use static /etc/hosts though, my dnsmasq is only cache, so not your use case.
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10:17<wakd>krababbel, FWIW my resolv.conf is "generated by resolvconf(8)" and contains "nameserver 127.0.0.1". I use static /etc/hosts though, my dnsmasq is only cache, so not your use case.
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10:19<krababbel>wakd: Thanks, I'll try further, because now the clients ping 127.0.1.1 when I use the servers name ^^
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10:33<blink>how does one export zfs directories if "warning: mountd isn't supported in Debian GNU/kFreeBSD yet" and exportfs command doesn't exist?
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10:35<mgv>on a newly installed wheezy system, a friend gets this when trying to install icedove: https://paste.debian.net/14818/
10:36<mgv>why is an iceweasel extension conflicting with icedove?
10:37<wakd>krababbel, are you specifying upstream nameservers in /etc/dnsmasq.conf or in /etc/resolv.conf ? If the former then did you try enabling "no-resolv" in dnsmasq.conf ?
10:38<abrotman>blink: might get more help in the kfreebsd channel
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10:40<blink>abrotman: #kfreebsd doesn't exist here
10:42<abrotman>dpkg: tell blink about kfreebsd
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10:45<blink>there should be a forwarder from kfreebsd to debian-kbsd. thanks
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10:47<abrotman>bligrr
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11:32<grammoboy>how do I set VGA1 on 1440x900 59.9 + 75.0
11:32<grammoboy>?
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11:33<grammoboy>http://paste.debian.net/14827/
11:33<abrotman>xrandr
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11:34<grammoboy>$ xrandr -s 1440x900
11:34<grammoboy>Size 1440x900 not found in available modes
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11:35<abrotman>dont' you have to pick the output also?
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11:36<abrotman>grammoboy: I'll take a guess and say without that, you're trying to resize your LVDS, which doesn't hve that geometry available
11:39<grammoboy>xrandr -s 1440x900 --output VGA1
11:39<grammoboy>does nothing'
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11:40<grammoboy> xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1440x900
11:40<grammoboy>ah
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11:43<grammoboy>hm now the windows of the apps have the small size still
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11:44<grammoboy>grr
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11:46<srtu>anyone uses eyeD3? guess i found a bug
11:46<sney>so report it
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11:47<srtu>sure, but like to test it with one other user if i am right
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11:47<srtu>one command option seems to be broken
11:48<sney>have you checked to see if your bug has already been reported?
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11:49<srtu>do it right now
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11:49<srtu>but first look doesn´t seem so. mhhhh can´t believe that i am the first one who recognized
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11:50<user>hello there
11:50<sney>what debian version are you using? it may be worthwhile to check the upstream changelogs to see if it's already been fixed
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11:50<grammoboy>any idea, how to get the right screen size and the right app window size?
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11:50<Guest2396>everyone use vidalia?
11:50<sney>!anyone
11:50<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:51<srtu>@sney using wheezy, this tool isn´t under heavy development, so no big changes anymore
11:51<sney>,v eyed3
11:51<judd>Package: eyed3 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.17-1; jessie: 0.6.18-1; sid: 0.6.18-1; wheezy: 0.6.18-1
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11:51<sney>hmm, indeed. alright, what are you trying to do, I'll give it a shot
11:52<srtu>i will try it on another wheezy mashine and if there also broken i will report it
11:52<srtu>just do a >> eyeD3 -nfo *.mp3
11:52<sney>noting that it's a python tool - python *has* gone through some upgrades lately so that may be the root of the issue.
11:53<srtu>and you get this > http://paste.debian.net/14833/
11:53<abrotman>Guest2396: there is a #tor on this network
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11:54<srtu>@sney ok good point maybe its a python issue
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11:55<sney>srtu: got the same error, checked the man page - it's supposed to be --nfo
11:56<srtu>stupid me
11:56<sney>at least -n and -o are different options that expect arguments, so doing it with a single hyphen is probably trying to pass 'fo' to the -n option, which expects a number, so it explodes all over the place
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11:58<sney>I didn't get any output whatsoever with --nfo, but the random mp3s that I have on this laptop probably don't contain anything for it to output
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12:08<srtu>i test it too, and got also no output, but my mp3`s hav info´s in it
12:10<srtu>have to take a look closer into the documentation what kind of ouput it should supl
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12:20<esseks>Hi! Since updating to 3.8.2, Seahorse will segfault when starting (I'm using testing. fully updated). Is this a problem with my installation or something someone else is experiencing? In the latter case, I would file a bug report.
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12:23<abrotman>did you try to trace where it happens?
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12:36<Axz>How to upgrade kernel in wheezy to latest stable release?!
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12:38<esseks>Axz use wheezy-backports repo, there you will find 3.9.2
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12:42<esseks>abrotman, yes, it (probably) happens when filling the main table view (i.e. some calls inside a gtk_cell_area_apply_attributes)
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12:48<esseks>Axz *3.9.0
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13:07<Axz><esseks> Axz use wheezy-backports repo, there you will find 3.9.2 < sorry has phonecall
13:07<Axz>had*
13:07<Axz>how to use backport?!
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13:08<Axz>3.9.0 is stable as i can remember
13:08<sakax>!backports
13:08<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
13:08<Axz>thx
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13:08<esseks>Axz http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
13:09<Axz>esseks, so just add in the line wheezy-backports simple as that?!
13:09<esseks>Yes
13:10<esseks>Read the paragraph after
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13:10<esseks>"Install a package": you need to specify that you want a package from backports, like this: $(aptitude -t wheezy-backports install ...)
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13:11<Axz>esseks, got this http://pastebin.com/WHkyizvw
13:12<esseks>Please paste your sources.list and link :)
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13:13<Axz>ah nvm this worked but sure
13:14<esseks>The line should look like this: "deb http://mirror.nl.leaseweb.net/debian wheezy-backports main"
13:14<Axz>esseks, http://pastie.org/8118599
13:14<Axz>using pastie.. pastebin is full of ads :/
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13:15<Axz>that worked
13:15<Axz>now to upgrade?!
13:15<Axz>dist-upgrade?!
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13:16<Axz>guess not
13:17<esseks>Axz, no, use: "aptitude install linux-image-3.9-0-amd64"
13:17<esseks>Or -686-pae (if using 32bit)
13:18<Axz>nope 64 will do :p
13:18<esseks>Sorry, "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.9-0-amd64"
13:19<Axz>uhmm esseks linux-image-3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64 is only package
13:20<Axz>dunnp what pbo stands for
13:20<mgv>Axz: bpo == backport
13:20<esseks>Axz, so install that.
13:20<Axz>AH
13:20<babilen>I would recommend to install a kernel metapackage from backports with, say, "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64" (or linux-image-686-pae)
13:21<Axz>Ah thanks guess
13:21<babilen>judd: depends linux-image-amd64 --release wheezy-backports
13:21<judd>Package linux-image-amd64 in wheezy-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64.
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13:22<babilen>Installing that package has the benefit that you'll get a new version once that arrives in wheezy-backports (as the metapackage will then depend on that newer version)
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13:24<Axz>esseks, uhmm he was unable to find swap and could not boot after upgrade
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13:27<Guest2403>rülps
13:28<esseks>That should not happen... Are you using a swap partition? Is it listed in /etc/fstab?
13:29<esseks>Axz, was the initramfs built correctly?
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13:33<ampharos>I'm trying to install Debian on a Mini 9, but it's not configuring the network. It has a BCM4312 inside. What can I do?
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13:34<mgv>!b43
13:34<dpkg>b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>.
13:35<mgv>you will need firmware for that card, you can get it with b43-fwcutter
13:35<esseks>ampharos, also read http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43_and_b43legacy
13:35<ampharos>except I'm trying to install so that's not of much use
13:35<mgv>ampharos: are you trying to install from a normal CD/DVD or from the netinstall?
13:36<ampharos>netinstall off of usb
13:36<ampharos>used unetbootin to make it
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13:36<abrotman>ampharos: it ultimately depends on which exact broadcom card you have
13:36<mgv>BCM4312
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13:36<esseks>ampharos, you can download firmware manually from another PC and install it.
13:36<mgv>which is supported by b43
13:36<mgv>according to http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
13:36<abrotman>oh .. duh, misread your bcm as his bcm :)
13:37<ampharos>i'll just unplug this pc from ethernet
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13:49<ampharos>alright, used ethernet
13:49<ampharos>now the task "Install the base system" fails instantly
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13:50<ampharos>uploading pictures
13:51<ampharos>http://img.installgentoo.com/di/A25B/20130707_009.jpg
13:51<ampharos>http://img.installgentoo.com/di/NFI1/20130707_008.jpg
13:52<Nemoder>How do I list all installed packages that are being held back?
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13:53<ampharos>what's wrong with the installer?
13:53<abrotman>so see vt4
13:53<ampharos>i linked a picture of vt4
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13:54<abrotman>which ISO did yu use?
13:54<abrotman>oh ..
13:55<ampharos>stable
13:55<abrotman>you used unetbootin didn't you ?
13:55<ampharos>yes
13:55<babilen>heh
13:55<SynrG>bleh
13:55<SynrG>that's a steaming pile
13:55<ampharos>i'd agree
13:55<babilen>ampharos: unetbootin breaks out installers
13:55<babilen>dpkg: tell ampharos -about usb install
13:55<ampharos>last time it didn't work with squeeze, went nuts
13:55<SynrG>and you didn't learn from that? :)
13:55<ampharos>maybe they upgraded!
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13:55<SynrG>such an optimist
13:55<babilen>ampharos: Just use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB stick. Use the linked tool if you are on Windows.
13:56<SynrG>it's broken by design
13:56<SynrG>just avoid it
13:56<ampharos>heh, /me hangs his head in shame
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13:58<ampharos>can you link the firmware included images again?
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14:00<ampharos>i didn't know you can just copy isos to block images though, that's pretty awesome
14:00<Nemoder>nevermind, aptitude search ~ahold
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14:03<ampharos>so the firmware included images are just like the normal netinsts in that I can cp debian-nonfree.iso /dev/sdf?
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14:08<SynrG>ampharos: you could do that with squeeze too.
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14:08<SynrG>ampharos: so unetbootin has been totally unnecessary for quite a while
14:08<malta>hi
14:08<malta>gayyyyyy
14:09<abrotman>which is good, since it usually doesn't work
14:09<SynrG>ampharos: and yes, the firmware images are hybrid too, so you can just use cp
14:09<abrotman>malta: do you need help with Debian ?
14:09<malta>the right one
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14:09<ampharos>sweet, thanks
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14:21<Axz>Well thats a disappointed tryed everything cant upgrade kernel to 3.9.x
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14:22<Axz>after installing linux-image-3.9-0-amd64 reboot and getts errors unable to load swap
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14:26<ampharos>cute, it thinks it's a CD... http://img.installgentoo.com/di/NITB/20130707_010.jpg
14:26<ampharos>this is the firmware included image copied direct to block device
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14:28<ampharos>should I just try the regular one?
14:29<ampharos>this is really making me want to avoid usb installs and install cd drives in all my pcs
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14:31<babilen>ampharos: How did you copy it this time?
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14:31<babilen>(and which image exactly?)
14:31<ampharos>http://napoleon.acc.umu.se/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/firmware-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso
14:31<ampharos>cp firmware-7.1.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdf
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14:32<babilen>fwiw, are you sure you want i386? did you run "sync" after the cp?
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14:34<ampharos>it's an atom (and not the nice 64 bit ones)
14:34<ampharos>and I did run sync and left it for 10 minutes
14:35<ampharos>probably more
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14:39<ampharos>what's next?
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14:49<RainbowW>i'm trying to do a for loop in a bash script ... tar -xvf $i ... where $i may contain spaces. should the correct syntax be ... tar -xvf '$i' ... ?
14:49<mgv>RainbowW: "$i"
14:50<RainbowW>mgv thanks
14:50<mgv>RainbowW: variables don't get expanded in ' .. '
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14:50<RainbowW>rather i should say, $i may contain spaces and other control characters like parens. should still work?
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15:00<cargill>hi, yesterday, I asked about installing debian on an EFI laptop, I have almost succeeded by finding out how to disable UEFI, but...
15:01<cargill>the partitions are only GPT (no MBR) and I do not want to remove that, so i have to set it up using grub-efi
15:02<cargill>but I can only access the system in non-efi mode, and efibootmgr refuses to work since it cannot read the efi boot variables
15:03<cargill>is there a way out short of nuking the entire system again?
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15:21<thegodlikehobo>i'm receiving errors when attempting to update package list with new backports format. error: http://pastebin.com/44ZVtYvi /etc/apt/sources.list: http://pastebin.com/7eCxAhrH
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15:22<mgv>thegodlikehobo: your sources.list is incorrect, you shouldn't list wheezy-backports after main/contrib/non-free
15:22<valex>hi, where can i get a debian 7.1 non free-firmware image from?
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15:24<abrotman>!tell valex about firmware images
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15:26<Solution-X>I am having issues with getting my SSD's to format under debian. I've never had issues with this before but for some reason mklabel completes and im able to format/write the changes but when i go back to fdisk -l the drive shows as having an invalid table...has anyone else run into this before?
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15:26<ampharos>tried with normal ISO, doesn't work still
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15:28<Solution-X>ampharos- what are you trying to do? I may be of some help
15:28<ampharos>install debian from USB
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15:28<ampharos>I copied the installer to USB, and it's booting, but it fails to read off of the "cd"
15:29<Solution-X>ive had that issue where only some of the USB ports load on the installer...do you have some usb3 and some usb2?
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15:29<thegodlikehobo>mgv: got it working, thank you
15:29<mgv>thegodlikehobo: no problem
15:29<ampharos>i tried two, they both don't work
15:29<Solution-X>ampharos- how many total usb ports do you have?
15:30<ampharos>3
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15:30<Solution-X>thats an odd number of usb ports to have
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15:31<Solution-X>i guess try the 3rd and if that doesnt work, try a different utility to make the bootable drive...how are you making it now?
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15:31<ampharos>cp debian.iso /dev/sdf
15:31<mgv>Solution-X: the normal way, cp image /dev/sdx
15:31<ampharos>just like the guide says
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15:31<Solution-X>eh, assumed he was a windows user
15:32<Solution-X>that should work...
15:32<Solution-X>operative word being *should*
15:33<ampharos>tried the third, no dice
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15:34<Solution-X>does the bios have a selection between showing usb drives as floppy/cd/hdd? Thats the only other thing ive ever had issue with where the bios was auto-detecting and would randomly reassign the usb drive causing it to change assignment
15:34<Solution-X>other than that, im dry on intel
15:35<Solution-X>i think that was more a buggy bios in my case than anything else
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15:36<SynrG>ampharos: this wouldn't happen to be one of those horrible 'u3' usb sticks would it?
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15:37<SynrG>what's the hardware?
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15:37<ampharos>generic usb drive
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15:38<SynrG>ignore the last question (which was about your system, not usb drive ...) i just read the scrollback
15:38<ampharos>the computer itself is a dell mini 9
15:38<SynrG>yes, which i just saw
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15:39<SynrG>have you tried a different usb drive?
15:39<ampharos>this is the last usb drive i have
15:39<ampharos>rest are used
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15:42<Solution-X>SynrG- do you have any ideas on my fdisk/parted issue?
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15:45<ampharos>google is giving me nothing but ubuntu
15:46<notmoto>Hello everyone. After succesfully configuring a raid1 array of two disks with mdadm, during some other maintenance one disk got disconnected. I noticed this after boot and reconnected it. After that one of the disks appears in it's own array as /dev/md127.
15:46<notmoto>Does anyone have any idea how to repair this without having to completely resync?
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15:48<Solution-X>i believe you have to resync
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15:49<Solution-X>other than resync im not sure how itd get caught up with any changes
15:50<notmoto>Well, I haven't ever mounted (or even formatted) that array yet, so I was hoping there wouldn't be any changes
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15:51<notmoto>If I stop both arrays and run mdadm --assemble --scan it restarts them as /dev/md0 and /dev/md0_0
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15:56<ampharos>i have no idea what could be wrong
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15:57<ampharos>oh merde
15:57<ampharos>bad md5sum... where?
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16:07<notmoto>meh, oh well, manually adding it to the array threw it into recovery (logically)
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16:09<notmoto>I do see that /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is still empty, should I manually add something in there?
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16:09<ampharos>i have no idea the image can be bad, md5 is correct
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16:20<abrotman>ampharos: bad media? flaky burner?
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16:25<ampharos>it's a usb disk
16:25<ampharos>cd integrity check fails with a css file being corrupt... it won't go any further
16:25<peej>I'm trying to get wifi interface working with wicd in wheezy. iwlist wlan0 scan shows a bunch of wireless networks. wicd-client -n shows nothing for wireless interface. Clues?
16:28<peej>hmmm. I should probably read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse more carefully...
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16:29<ampharos>i have no idea what could be wrong
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16:33<Solution-X>gonna refresh my question...
16:33<Solution-X>I am having issues with getting my SSD's to format under debian. I've never had issues with this before but for some reason mklabel completes and im able to format/write the changes but when i go back to fdisk -l the drive shows as having an invalid table...has anyone else run into this before?
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16:35<toni>Hallo there!
16:35<toni>I want to change the date format on the gnome 3 panel
16:36<toni>Is that possible? I can't find anything!
16:37<ampharos>it should be based on your system locale
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16:38<toni>Is there a file to modify?
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16:39<ampharos>as root (use sudo command or log in as root with su) do dpkg-reconfigure locale
16:39<ampharos>(or was it locales?)
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16:39<esseks>ampharos locales
16:39<Aleric>If I buy an extra USB numpad, will it Just Work(tm) on debian? I have no idea :)
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16:40<ampharos>it's just usb hid
16:40<Aleric>Probably can't go wrong right? :/
16:40<esseks>Aleric, if it is seen by the OS as a keyboard, then just yes
16:40<toni>But I don't want to change the language on my computer, I'm very happy having it in Dutch
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16:41<toni>I'd like to have a file, so to be able to write %A, %d %B %Y
16:41<toni>Is there no such file?
16:41<esseks>toni AFAIK no possibility
16:42<esseks>If you feel brave, you can modifiy /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/dateMenu.js
16:42<esseks>You will find there a date specifier
16:42<toni>I'm going to have a look...
16:42<esseks>Maybe there is a simple click-click way, none I'm aware of, unfortunately.
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16:45<esseks>toni, do you simply need date in clock? Or clock with seconds?
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16:46<esseks>toni, if it is the case, then use Gnome Tweaks Tool (AKA advanced settings), under Shell tab
16:47<toni>No, I want such a date format: %Y %B %d - %A
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16:49<borgbox>I'm working on configuring my first install of Debian. I'm currently having issues with Youtube videos freezing and lagging severely. I got a firmware update and Xorg update for my video card - which fixed other unrelated issues - but still no luck on Youtube. Gnash is up to date. Any pointers?
16:49<esseks>toni, then modify dateMenu.js. Pertinent section starts at line 183 (shell 3.4.2)
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16:51<toni>I'm going to try it :-))))))))))))
16:51<esseks>borgbox, does using Flash plugin from non-free changes something?
16:51<chealer>borgbox: did you try with Adobe Flash Player?
16:52<ampharos>i'm ready to tear out my hair
16:52<toni>YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
16:52<ampharos>how the heck am I getting problems? md5 is correct, i did everything to install to the letter
16:53<esseks>ampharos, still burning the USB image?
16:53<toni>Thanx thanx thanx thanx thanx
16:53<esseks>toni, you're welcome :)
16:53<ampharos>yes...
16:53<toni>Good evening everybody!
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16:54<esseks>ampharos, probably you are not syncing the device... Happened to me a few times...
16:54<ampharos>i synced it like crazy
16:54<ampharos>and waited a few minutes too
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16:54<ampharos>i synced, wait a few minutes, and removed
16:54<esseks>ampharos, faulty USB drive?
16:54<esseks>try with another one
16:55<ampharos>don't have any spares, this is the last one
16:55<ampharos>the drive is lightly used and worked when I tested it
16:55*esseks is puzzled
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16:56<ampharos>i could buy another stick, but this is leaving me so angry I'd just buy a cd drive
16:57<esseks>ampharos, what if you removed the HD from the netbook, perform installation from another PC and then put it back?
16:57<esseks>s/removed/remove/
16:57<ampharos>i think it's a rare, rare IDE SSD, in laptop formfactor
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16:58<borgbox>esseks: looking into the flash player now. Not sure where to drop the .so files as well as the /usr directory included with the .tar from adobe.com
16:58<ampharos>could be wrong and it's sata, but cannabalism is not an option, don't have to tools to disassemble laptops
16:58<esseks>borgbox, you don't need to download from Adobe, just install it from debian repositories
16:58<esseks>You will need to enable non-free
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16:59<esseks>If you seldom watch YT and you would like to avoid Flash entirely, then VLC can play YT videos: just copy YT URL from browser, open VLC and hit Ctrl+V
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17:00<ampharos>that's neat
17:00<ampharos>i must try this
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17:01<ampharos>it doesn't
17:01<esseks>ampharos, pro-tip: add "&fmt=18" at the end of the URL if HD video is too slow.
17:01<esseks>ampharos, it does, what version are you running?
17:01<ampharos>i think youtube-dl is in a non-free repo (backports afaik) and it works great
17:01<ampharos>esseks: from wheezy
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17:04<esseks>ampharos oh yes, 2.0.5 has a broken script... Just put this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5944949 in ~/.local/share/vlc/lua/playlist and restart VLC. Create folder if necessary
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17:05<esseks>(that's the updated script from VLC 2.0.6)
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17:06<borgbox>esseks: flashplugin-nonfree is running v. 1:3.2. latest update in my repo. maybe I'll try that VLC thing as well
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17:08<esseks>borgbox, please note that Gnash plugin is outdated (Flash 9 introduced a major turn in language architecture and Gnash did not catch up entirely -- also because HTML5 is here. Use Chromium and you will see a good percentage of videos on YT without Flasg)
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17:10<chrishell>does anybody has news about debian-CUT? http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/
17:10<borgbox>esseks, is there a way to get the updated flash plugin for iceweasel? I'm not a fan of Chromium.
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17:12<esseks>borgbox, use flashplugin-nonfree
17:12<esseks>Note that the 3.2 version is NOT flash version.
17:13<esseks>the package will simply pull all dependencies from Debian repos and launch a downloader script that will fetch Flash from Adobe website and properly install it
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17:13<esseks>It will download the latest version found.
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17:14<borgbox>so flashplugin-nonfree isn't a flash version but rather an installer for flash?
17:14<esseks>borgbox, precisely
17:15<borgbox>esseks, how can I go about using it?
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17:15<esseks>If you mean how to install flash, just do $(aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree) as root/sudo. Plugin will be _automatically_ downloaded and installed
17:16<borgbox>thank you, i'll give that a shot
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17:16<esseks>borgbox, after installing, just restart Iceweasel/Firefox
17:17<esseks>Instead, if you are talking about the ethical issues concerning usage a nonfree (and questionably safe) binary blob, then my advice is: don't use it altogether :)
17:18<borgbox>running aptitude install gave me 0 updates 0 installs 112 removed packages....
17:18<esseks>borgbox, is non-free repository enabled?
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17:19<esseks>s/repository/section/
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17:20<esseks>Correction: you need section contrib, not non-free.
17:21<esseks>borgbox, http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
17:22<borgbox>located the apt/sources.list file and opened it. The check boxes regarding the different repo types are inactive and refuse to become active for some reason.
17:23<esseks>Open /etc/apt/sources.list with you favourite text editor
17:23<ampharos>any ideas as do why everything sucks?
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17:25<esseks>But, if you don't remember adding contrib, then it's not there. Just edit that file as root (we have a preference for nano editor, but any text editor will do) and write "contrib" after "main"
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17:25<borgbox>"deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free main" is what's there
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17:26<esseks>borgbox, so everything is fine!
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17:27<esseks>Please open a terminal and issue "$(dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree)"
17:27<esseks>What's the output?
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17:27<david>hi
17:28<david>anyone alive? am I alive? hah
17:28<esseks>Hi david, you need help with Debian? Just ask :)
17:29<david>Hi! No thanks, just setting up irssi on my new #! box and confirming it works!
17:29<esseks>without "$( and )", that's my (... stupid) way of marking commands
17:29<david>exit
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17:29<borgbox>I did a "mark for reinstallation" on Synaptic, ran that, restarted icedove. Looks like it's working now! thanks! I was pretty sure I ran through those steps last night but i guess I missed a step, it was late
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17:32<Solution-X>sudo parted
17:32<Solution-X>lol, mt
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17:34<Solution-X>Ahead of time...sorry for the wall of text but it illustrates my issue
17:34<Solution-X>Parted is failing when i try to write a label to a disk
17:34<Solution-X>hopefully the channel bot wont get angry
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17:35<Solution-X>Disk /dev/sdc: 256GB
17:35<Solution-X>Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
17:35<Solution-X>Partition Table: msdos
17:35<Solution-X>Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
17:35<Solution-X> 1 32.3kB 256GB 256GB primary ext2
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17:35<Solution-X>yup it got angry
17:35<mgv>Solution-X: http://paste.debian.net/
17:35<Solution-X>danke
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17:36<Solution-X>http://paste.debian.net/14877/
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17:38<Solution-X>any idea why parted is unable to mklabel?
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17:38<Solution-X>the drive is good...if i put it in one of my other boxes itll format/ relabel just fine
17:39<Solution-X>I dont expect it to be a controller issue because the system is booting/using the other drives
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17:48<ampharos>i really need to figure out what's wrong
17:48<Solution-X>you and me both
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17:49<Solution-X>have you tried going out and buying another usb drive to see if maybe something is funky with the drive?
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17:51<ampharos>i'd rather buy a cd drive at this point
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17:53<ampharos>they're only like 20 bucks and handy to have
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18:27<ymir>Hi
18:27<ymir>I need some help
18:27<mgv>!ask
18:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:27<ymir>I am running debian 7 with Gnome and I mistyped the password for my wireless
18:28<ymir>I am not prompted again
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18:28<ymir>how can I type the password again
18:28<ymir>?
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18:33<ymir>nevermind, I found it
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18:40<alexis_>Hello all, i am using Debian 7.1 LXDE, after my last reboot i only see a blinkin dot on the screen after grub loads
18:40<alexis_>i reinstalled gdm3 and it doesn't changes anything
18:40<alexis_>where should I look for logs of this kind
18:40<alexis_>i can see the mouse for a brief moment then it all dissapears
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18:49<nfisher>Hi all! wanted too install java on my machine. Now i found the wiki.debian.org/Java article and issued apt-get install default-jre - according to the description on the wiki. But java is not availible in my web browser (both Firefox and Chrome). What am i missing here?
18:51<SamB>I believe you need to install a Java plugin
18:51<PovAddict>you now have java
18:52<PovAddict>you *also* need a plugin to make java applets and stuff like that work inside a browser
18:52<PovAddict>I think it's called icedtea
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18:52<blast007>nfisher: assuming it pulled in openjdk-6-jre, you would need icedtea6-plugin as mentioned on that page
18:53<SamB>actually spelled icedtea-6-plugin
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18:53<blast007>hmm, yup. :)
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18:55<PovAddict>I think you need yet another package for Java Web Start (.jnlp launcher files)
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18:56<SamB>icedtea-netx ?
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18:56<alexis_>I just reinstalled nvidia as per the wiki says, and gdm3 too. Still get a black screen after GRUB. Any advise?
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18:58<blast007>alexis_: there should be an Xorg log in /var/log/
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18:59<alexis_>i am reading it blast007 it says NVIDIA(GPU-0): display (mydisplay) does not support nvidia
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19:00<nfisher>thanks guys, but the non-proprietary version wouldnt do for me.. how can i get the official sun plugin?
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19:01<PovAddict>I thought there's pretty much no difference nowadays
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19:02<nfisher>yeah but in my case (bank account) it wouldnt let me
19:02<nfisher>er: wouldnt load.
19:02<PovAddict>did it actually say "you need sun's?"
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19:03<PovAddict>Sun's Java seems not to be available in Debian anymore
19:04<nfisher>it says it on the site afaik. And secondly i know it loads with suns and doesnt with iceT (freeze at 40% load).. so id need suns, yes :)
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19:04<nfisher>huh!?
19:04<alexis_>paste.debian.net/14894/ here's the xorg.0.log
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19:04<alexis_>i am in tty1 now
19:05<PovAddict>nfisher: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java6-jre
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19:08<alexis_>paste.debian.net/14895/ startx output errors in that link
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19:30<nfisher>alright, installed suns manually. thanks anyways, bye
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19:31<Gasti_xubuntu>Hi guys, does anyone know how to install skype in xubuntu 13.04?
19:31<Gasti_xubuntu>I need it for my work!
19:32<PovAddict>you download it from skype's website and follow their instructions
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19:33<Gasti_xubuntu>But xubuntu 13.04 it's not in the list of skypes avaiable downloads
19:33<PovAddict>oh, xubuntu
19:34<PovAddict>ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, etc. are identical except for the desktop environment
19:34<PovAddict>and either way you should ask in an ubuntu channel
19:34<Gasti_xubuntu>Ahhh, ok thank you very much. Sorry, i'm very new in this kind of things
19:34<PovAddict>!ubuntu
19:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
19:34<Gasti_xubuntu>i've just installed this for the first time
19:34<Gasti_xubuntu>Thanks!
19:34<Gasti_xubuntu>#ubuntu
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19:37<tgs3>question, was gnome3 password lock screen made by complete idiots?
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19:38<tgs3>it seems to lack one rather important information: username of the user! it just asks password:[].... .... what?
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19:40<mtn>tgs3: did you forget your username? :P
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19:41<tgs3>mtn: some computers have more then one user logged into own X session at once
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19:41<tgs3>if you have 3 locked sessions all asking the same Password:... it's a bit idiotic
19:42<mtn>tgs3: did the user at the station forget their username,too?
19:42<tgs3>it's like if Gnome3 took everything that was good in Gnome2,
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19:42<tgs3>then took a platinium golf club, and went to town on it
19:42<mig>olá
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19:45<abrotman>tgs3: did you look in the top right corner?
19:45<abrotman>of course not, just started ranting .. *again*
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19:47<tgs3>oh it is there
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19:47<tgs3>abrotman: you bet you I started ranting, I do not want to look somewhere for something, I want system that woooorks damn it
19:47<tgs3>if I would like to waste time playing with learning new things I would start making LFS distro or something
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19:48<PovAddict>tgs3: installing debian into this laptop is turning into an LFS-level adventure
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19:49<tgs3>PovAddict: we found 3 bugs whilest installing debian 7. highfive
19:49<borgbox>and if we had a psychic system people would be complaining about their privacy... i guess it's a trade off
19:49<tgs3>borgbox: all I want from debian is KISS
19:49<PovAddict>tgs3: nah in this case it's more the OEM's fault than Debian
19:49<tgs3>keep it simple mot*****, er, stupid. If it was working in debian 6 then just let it work damn same way in 7.
19:49<PovAddict>tgs3: such as the system coming out-of-the-box with 4 primary partitions
19:50<tgs3>PovAddict: reformat all to zero. unless you need dualboot
19:50<abrotman>tgs3: it's on the screen, one would think you're looking at the screen when unlocking the screen
19:50<PovAddict>tgs3: I want dual boot, and failing that, at least I want to keep the 4th partition untouched, since it's what the OEM thinks is an appropriate replacement for shipping install media
19:51<tgs3>abrotman: it's hidden in damn corner, while debian 6 did it better by putting it in the center, and right above the password box
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19:51<abrotman>yeah, hidden in plain sight .. poor you
19:51<luke__>how do i switch to another server?
19:51<abrotman>luke__: /server irc.foo.com
19:51<tgs3>really every change from debian 6 I seen so far was to take something what was quite good, and make it worse.
19:51<luke__>thank you
19:51<tgs3>luke__: or /connect too, depends
19:51<abrotman>tgs3: really, the whining is getting old ..
19:51<PovAddict>tgs3: don't blame debian for gnome's shit
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19:51<tgs3>I blame gnome mostly
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19:51<abrotman>PovAddict: don't blame gnome for tgs3 being lazy
19:52<PovAddict>well that too
19:52<tgs3>users want to be lazy
19:52<tgs3>that is the point of *tool* like operating system, to provide intuitive ways to quickly do some computer things
19:52<abrotman>it's right on the screen, top right corner, just like it is when you're logged in
19:53<tgs3>yeah, while putting it in CETNER, right ABOVE the password is even better. thus this change made it worse
19:53<PovAddict>the only intuitive interface is the nipple, everything else is learned
19:53<abrotman>file a bug, submit a patch .. quit whining
19:53<abrotman>it's getting tiresome
19:53<abrotman>hence half the channel having you on /ignore by now
19:53<tgs3>ok maybe simply we should switch to kde.
19:54<abrotman>we? maybe you?
19:54<dvs>!beer tgs3
19:54*dpkg deftly decants a fine Batch 50 GFAR for tgs3
19:54<abrotman>it's made for windows users that can't learn anything new
19:54<abrotman>*I* have no problems with Gnome3, and find it quite easy to use
19:54<tgs3>what is made for them, gnome3 or kde?
19:54<abrotman>...
19:55*abrotman gives up, realizes tgs3 is not going to learn
19:55<abrotman>or not willing to learn
19:55<tgs3>what? depending on what windows you had in mind, I do not know what was your point
19:56<tgs3>PovAddict: do you know what point was abrotman making?
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19:56<PovAddict>no, but having seen Windows 8, gnome 3, unity, and iOS7, I can say the entire world seems to be smoking some strange drugs
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19:57<tgs3>abrotman: well, would you mind clarifying laste statement? I did not understood what you had on mind.
19:57<borgbox>I just came over to Gnome3 from Win7 and i gotta say it's a lot more intuitive and easy to navigate
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19:57<borgbox>but I can't say I know how it compares to Gnome2
19:58<tgs3>borgbox: what is? why people keep making not clear statements lol
19:58<borgbox>Gnome3 is easier, sorry i wasn't clear
19:59<tgs3>PovAddict: regarding smoking crack by developers, I do not know why people keep breaking UIs
19:59<tgs3>like windows 8 tiles shitty idea
19:59<PovAddict>it's a good idea
19:59<PovAddict>*for tablets*
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20:00<tgs3>not really even for them, screen is cluttered with shit
20:00<abrotman>feel free to move this to #debian-offtopic
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20:11<PovAddict>I lost count of the installation attempts already
20:12<PovAddict>but I think I got it to work this time: disabling UEFI in the bios setup
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20:12<zane_>hey :D
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20:12<zane_>BALL SACKS I'M NEW TO THIS!
20:12<zane_>HAHAHAHAHAHA WINNING!!
20:12<zane_>BITCHES!
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20:13<PovAddict>what.
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20:15<tgs3>random moment is random
20:15<borgbox>yep.
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20:21<PovAddict>YES
20:21<PovAddict>dualbooting!
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20:22<borgbox>I gotta get my MBR fixed on my win7 partition...
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20:51<william>hello everybody. I have a question, the installation of debian jessie on external hdd is the same than internal hdd? Do i have to create a boot partition?
20:52<mongrol>I'd expect it will be the same
20:52<mongrol>like just another harddrive
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20:53<william>if i install in the external hdd and i have an internal hdd where is the grub?
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20:54<mongrol>depends
20:54<mongrol>if you're choose to "boot from usb" in the bios then it can be on the active parition on the external
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20:55<mongrol>or you can put it on the active partition on the internal and just use a grub menu
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20:55<william>can the exterenal and internal have a active partition?
20:56<mongrol>yes
20:56<mongrol>1 active per disk
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20:59<william>my bios have the option of boot external device. is it sufficient to boot from external or do i have to install PLOP?
20:59<mongrol>dunno what plop is
20:59<mongrol>if you boot frmo external then it will look for the active parition on the external, so thats a good option
21:00<mongrol>then you can have everything, grub, boot partition etc on the external
21:01<william>then PLOP is the best option?
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22:13<Lugnut>Hey everybody
22:14<Lugnut>I've been looking through debian.org and searching with google and I've been unable to find a headless server version of debian, from what I understand they all come with a window manager preinstalled, right?
22:15<sney>no
22:15<dvs>no
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22:15<sney>when you run the installer, it gives you a menu of what you want installed
22:15<sney>if you don't select Desktop Environment, you don't get X or anything associated
22:15<Lugnut>ah, I haven't gotten that far yet. still downloading!
22:15<dvs>Lugnut: Unselect the "desktop environment" option
22:15<Lugnut>thanks
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22:20<marat>hello...hello!
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22:22<marat>I was wondering if someone could point me in the general direction. You know when you do a search and the site/company/institution has multiple listing -- say a link for help, contact, about... ? thanks all
22:25<marat>calling NASA...we've landed on MARS! is there a web/seo/listing irc forum this might be more suitable to ask this in?
22:26<SamB>something called a sitemap I think
22:28<marat>thanks sam..is it something like a .htaccess file or such that I might be able to add myself to my /var/www/ folder or is it a private company which provides the service? anyway thanks a ton
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22:40<SamB>marat: you might find http://www.sitemaps.org helpful, or https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/156184?hl=en
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