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---Logopened Tue Jul 09 00:00:59 2013
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00:13<Zachster1996>how do i load something up into byobu on startup
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00:18<Khades>what is byobu
00:18<Zachster1996>byobu is a wrapper for screen
00:18<Zachster1996>it provides convenient key bindings and system stats
00:18<Zachster1996>at the bottom
00:18<Zachster1996>Khades ^
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00:20<sney>if you're using it to wrap screen, it can probably take startup info from .screenrc
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00:48<Atreus>hey can anyone help me with installing?
00:49<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
00:51<Atreus>Im getting "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" when trying to install debian, What can I do to skip this in the installer?
00:51<SamB>what are you trying to install from?
00:52<Atreus>External HD
00:52<SamB>how did you prepare it?
00:52<Atreus>dd command in linux
00:53<SamB>hmm, probably the USB stick instructions should have worked with that?
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00:55<jm_>hard disk installer is different, you need to use debian's kernel + initrd as per the manual
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00:55<SamB>there's a difference between an external hard drive and a USB stick?
00:56<jm_>I suppose it depends how it's connected
00:57<jm_>I was thinking esata
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00:58<Atreus>So what should I do?
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01:03<anonymuouss>if you are sophisticated enought to be dd'ing an image to an external hard drive and tryign to boot it as an installer. perhaps consider just "debootstrap"-ing an image onto the external hard drive. When you have that working correctly, do the opposite, and debootstrap onto your main hdd
01:04<anonymuouss>boot the external drive with a qemu virtual machine to see if you have it working correctly. Instead of fiddling around with rebooting, and swapping devices/ changing bios
01:06<Atreus>Will do, thanks
01:07<anonymuouss>for that matter, you can build it all on a disk image. "dd if=/dev/zero of=my_image bs=10M count=100"
01:07<anonymuouss>and even install onto that image from your present installation by booting the instalation medium with qemu
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01:08<anonymuouss>if you do not want to use debootstrap. or if it proves troublesome
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01:11<SamB>anonymuouss: how would you install onto the main drive from the image
01:11<anonymuouss>likewise, you could boot the installer with qemu, and install onto the external hard drive. "qemu some_installer_image.iso -hdd /dev/my_external_harddrive"
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01:12<anonymuouss>additionally, like samb suggested, you could make a partition area free on your main drive, boot the installer with qemu, and that partition as its drive. then update the grub menu from the OS after you boot into it
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01:13<SamB>I didn't suggest that
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01:15<anonymuouss>ah, i see, sorry
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02:08<bullgard4>!compile a package
02:09<dpkg>it has been said that debbuild is dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo-x.y.z; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us
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02:14<tgs3>debian 7 fucked up program "sux",
02:15<tgs3>since then I look for a working solution to replace sudo sux user2
02:16<tgs3>how to allow user1 to, without password, login into user2 in bash to start some X applications as user2?
02:17<tgs3>previously this was done by using as user1 command: sudo sux user2 and then obtaining a bash as user2 with user1 X cookie; after configuring visudo properly user1 was doing this without need to enter any password
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02:20<jm_>tgs3: the issue is not really in sux, but this bug
02:22<tgs3>jm_: yes. this information is not helping.
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02:26<jm_>ahh and blaming the wrong package is?
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02:28<tgs3>jm_: wrong package?
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02:35<DragonDon>greetings all
02:35<tgs3>jm_: ok, so does someone have replacement for broken pacakges, su / sux / etc, to achieve above workaround?
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02:36<DragonDon>What would be the easiest way to check permission of a whole subdirectory of files/folders? Some sort of dump into a CSV file and open/view?
02:39<jm_>tgs3: not that I know - I switched to using su (but I was typing a password with sux too before that), have you tried the workarounds people mentioned in the bug comments?
02:39<jm_>DragonDon: what difference does CSV have compared to ls -lr output?
02:40<jm_>ls -lR of course
02:40<tgs3>jm_: yes, they didn't work so far
02:40<tgs3>jm_: how exactly are you doing same with su, even with typing password?
02:42<DragonDon>I only mentioned CSV so I could open up a spreadsheet and have nice, near columns to compare
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02:50<txt_file>is there a way to download and install old versions of packages? I am searching for vlc 2.0.4 packages and wheezy has 2.0.3 and jessie 2.0.7.
02:50<anonymuouss>tgs3, i will answer your question, but you should be nicer about this stuff. everyone is a volunteer here
02:50<anonymuouss>Xnest :1 -geometry 1024x768+0+0 -ac -name Windowmaker & wmaker -display :1
02:50<anonymuouss>select start blackbox session
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02:52<txt_file>I think I found it. … looks good
02:52<anonymuouss>Xnest is basically what you want. i have not done much with it, but did get a blackbox session to start. with some tweaking, i imagine gnome or xfce is possible
02:53<anonymuouss>and all user priv, no root stuff
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02:55<tgs3>anonymuouss: thanks, but I ment a simple insstant light solution...
02:56<tgs3>anonymuouss: like exact replacement for sudo sux foo that stopped working when updating debian 6 to 7 (also in gentoo it does not work)
02:56<tgs3>anonymuouss: gksu would be a candidate, but can it be made to not ask for password respecting sudoers (visudo) file?
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02:57<tgs3>also, I want it to not ask for password only for given commands, not for all commands
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03:04<jm_>tgs3: I just use 'su - user' after having exported MIT magic cookie previously
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03:04<anonymuouss>tgs3, /etc/sudoers file should be able to take care of all of that. But jm_ knows what he is talking about. i would look into that as well
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03:07<anonymuouss>also it brings to mind that you may not really be looking to use another user, but a different set of configuration dotfiles. What exactly is it that your end physical user must be able to do ?
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03:12<tgs3>anonymuouss: user1 will start from his X11 desktop graphical applications, that for security reasons, should be run as separate user2
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03:13<tgs3>most comfortable would be if user1 would just become in given xterminal user2 with ability to start X applications as user2, so he can from same terminal run several applications as user2
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03:16<SamB>tgs3: did you try gksudo?
03:17<tgs3>SamB: yes, but I don't know yet how to make it passwordless to "allow user1 to spawn shell as user2 while retaining X cookie"
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03:18<SamB>if you're allowing shell spawning, can't you just allow any old command?
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03:21<tgs3>SamB: yes, I can allow user1 to run any command as user2
03:21<tgs3>I mena, that is what would make sense... not sure how to write sudoers file for that.
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03:30<SamB>user1 ALL = NOPASSWD (user2) ALL
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03:30<SamB>if I'm reading this manpage correctly
03:31<SamB>oh, maybe that needs a colon after NOPASSWD
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03:33<weasel>dak ALL=(dak-unpriv) NOPASSWD: ALL
03:33<weasel>for instance.
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03:36*SamB decides goes to bed now ...
03:37*SamB can't even english
03:37<anonymuouss>seriously, my eyes are bleeding from sudo
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03:38<bullgard4>What website do I have to visit in order to search for Debian bug reports in the Debian bug tracking system that contain the 2 catchwords »Rhythmbox« and »DAAP«? stinks.
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03:39<SamB>bullgard4: have you tried googling in
03:40<bullgard4>SamB No.
03:40<SamB>if the interface can't do what you want, maybe google can
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03:47<bullgard4>SamB: Following your suggestion, I tried Google advanced search using the the restriction This works. -- Thank you very much for your help. --- I find it deplorable that Debian's own search tool is broken.
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04:11<toni>Hallo there!
04:13<toni>A couple of days ago I learned that editing /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/dateMenu.js I can change the date/time format of the Gnome 3 panel.
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04:13<toni>However modifying this file the appearance of the date/time of the login screen doesn't change.
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04:14<toni>I assume then that I should then modify another file. Does somebody know which one?
04:15<Sicelo>not sure now... but i think dconf has the necessary settings
04:17<toni>I couldn't find anything in dconf, but this should not necessarily mean that it is not there
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04:23<babilen>toni: You are looking for something gdm3 and not gnome-shell related. Can't tell you where gdm3 specifies it though, but "dpkg -L gdm3" might get you a long way.
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05:03<toni>Hallo there! Does somebody know which file controles the clock of the gdm3 login screen?
05:04<toni>I need to change its date format!!!
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05:05<default>hi all
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05:12<default>i need help with nvidia GT610. When i drag the window, it's drawing very slow on borders.
05:13<default>I use proprietary nvidia-drivers. i disabled vsync, but it doesn't take effect.
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05:14<Calinou>default: what window manager do you use
05:14<Calinou>try enabling then disabling compositing
05:14<Calinou>and see what works best for you
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05:16<default>openbox without any composite
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05:20<default>enabling or disabling compositing doesn't change it (
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05:27<anonymuouss>default, i believe that is the diminished 2D performance characteristic of accelerated graphics
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05:28<anonymuouss>probably something else is contributing to it, but in general 2Dperformance can be very slow, even when a GPU is quite powerful
05:28<default>what will i need to do to fix it?
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05:31<default>this card was good in other OS
05:31<jemadux>how to make icedove to use it as mta ?
05:32<jemadux>for reportbug
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05:38<Calinou>default: you can use nouveau
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05:38<Calinou>open source drivers generally outperform proprietary drivers in terms of 2D speed
05:38<Calinou>and I doubt you play games with a GT610
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05:42<default>i tried to use nouveau, but it didn't change anything
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05:55<prem_>does debian 7.0 can be installed in IBM P7 systems
05:55<prem_>which is having 256 gb - 8TB ram
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05:55<SynrG>later this evening i will upgrade my 1TB to 3TB drive. this means a change from MBR -> GPT. the drive is my boot drive. any gotchas for the upgrade i should be aware of in advance?
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05:56<prem_>i want to migrate one of out largest server to debian., so is it possible..does debian support such servers
05:57<babilen_>prem_: No idea about p7 specifically but Debian fully supports powerpc
05:57<babilen_>dpkg: tell prem_ about powerpc
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05:58<prem_>babilen_, may be just stupid., but i have a question., cant we use i386 or amd64 images of debian in those servers
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05:59<jm_>SynrG: make sure to create extra smal partition for EFI
05:59<babilen>prem_: Aren't they powerpc? I might be wrong here and haven't checked, but ...
06:00<babilen>prem_: Which server is that exactly?
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06:01<SynrG>jm_: the motherboard is kind of old. M57SLI-S4. pretty sure it doesn't have EFI ...
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06:03<babilen>prem_: ping?
06:03<SynrG>jm_: the original 1TB drive will remain in the system. if i need to retain it as a boot drive due to old mobo, that's ok
06:04<SynrG>so i guess i would: parted the new drive; mkfs; move data from 1TB -> 3TB drive; done?
06:06<jm_>SynrG: you need EFI to boot from 3T drives AFAIK (I have non-efi MB with special hack to allow for it - so called hybrid efi from gigabyte)
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06:06<jm_>SynrG: yup, and optionally install grub at the end?
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06:18<SynrG>jm_: possibly. depends on how much of the system i move to the new drive.
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06:53<newtothis>hi, i want to make a clean instal on an old machine (p4 2GHz + 1GB ram with a geforce2 mx 400), should i simply pick lxde or xfce and go for it or do these DEs, even if light on resources require some kind of suport from the graphics card? (i've briefly had xfce on arch but even with all of the 3d stuff i still had visual artifacts like missing text :/) do the normal debian dvds have this option?
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06:54<newtothis>*no 3d stuff - composition disabled i meant
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06:55<petn-randall>newtothis: I'd also pick LXDE or xfce, but if you still get artifacts on the machine with 3daccel disabled, maybe the RAM on the graphics card is broken.
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06:56<newtothis>peth-randall, i've ran memtest86 for a couple of hours and at least the ram was ok :/
06:57<SynrG>newtothis: neither of those choices should require 3d accel / compositor
06:57<petn-randall>newtothis: memtest86 doesn't check the graphics cards RAM.
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06:57<petn-randall>newtothis: (btw, it's petn<tab>, otherwise I won't get highlighted)
06:57<newtothis>SynrG, yeah and the 2d support of noveau should be ok... :/
06:58<newtothis>petn-randall: oh oops... :)
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07:03<Calinou>note that debian uses a very outdated kernel with a very old nouveau
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07:04<txt_file>but you can get a newer kernel from backports
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07:11<petn-randall>Calinou: We're talking about a geforce2. The stable kernel should be by far new enough for that.
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07:17<Calinou>thought you were the guy with a GT610
07:17<Calinou>which is fermi, and lacks reclocking
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07:22<petn-randall>Calinou: Ah, I see.
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07:36<toni>Hallo again! Does somebody know which file should I edit to change de date format of the dgm3 login screen?
07:36<toni>Sorry, I mean gdm3
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07:47<stderr>toni: "man gdm3" says "gdm3 reads /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf for its configuration."
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08:01<babs>hello :)
08:02<babs>I've an issue with LXC, ARP and wheezy (as guest), not sure on which package I have to bug report to
08:03<babs>[or maybe I misconfigured my host ...]
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08:04<babs>[and it worked on openvz] Anyone got an idea of where I can fire a mail or something ?
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08:51<petn-randall>babs: Explain your problem, we might be able to help.
08:51<babs>I use Wheezy as host and guest
08:52<babs>on vetch + bridge mode
08:52<babs>when I do an ip route show, default route is on top before the <link> route (/64)
08:53<babs>the host doesn't answer to arp requests
08:54<babs>and remain unreachable until it emits a packet (which IMHO create a kind on trace in the upcoming switch's ARP table)
08:54<babs>when I do a route -n, it's the same, I got default route before link route shown ...
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08:56<babs>if I remove all routes in the guest and re-add them, still in wrong order
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08:57<daemonkeeper>the order of routes is irrelevant.
08:57*petn-randall nods.
08:58<daemonkeeper>IP is lingest prefix match, it does not matter whether that's the first or last matching route.
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08:58<babs>that's what I thout too until i find this
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08:58<daemonkeeper>No. IP takes the most specific route for a destination. That's a inherent building-block of IP routing.
08:58<petn-randall>babs: Your problem is probably somewhere else, and you're just drawing the wrong conclusions.
08:59<babs>btw imaninging this is not the root of my issue, I still have an ARP issue :)
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08:59<daemonkeeper>I don't even know or followed what your problem is. All I mentioned is that your comment related to the order of routes is wronger than wrong. :>
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09:00<petn-randall>babs: Have you checked the logs on both sides for any problems? My first intuition would be a config issue.
09:01<petn-randall>babs: Because such an obvious flaw wouldn't go unnoticed for so long.
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09:01<babs>My first clue was on arp_proxy of the bridge
09:01<babs>but it didn't make it work better :/
09:01<babs>[on sysctl]
09:02<petn-randall>babs: And you used tcpdump/tshark to verify that the host doesn't even see the arp request?
09:02<babs>the host see the who-as
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09:02<babs>I have to reset the guest to check it it sees it or not
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09:16<babs>petn-randall, yes
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09:18<babs>I'll try to flush arp table of the upfront switch
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09:25<babs>ok the ARP request goes thru
09:26<babs>to the guest but he doesn't answer
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09:27<babs>to recap: the who-has goes thru the host bridge to the guest but the guest doesn't answer :/
09:28<babs>[of course the guest owns the IP the who-has is emmited for]
09:30<petn-randall>babs: So by 'goes through' you mean that the guest actually receives the packet on the interface (verified on the guest by tcpdump), but the guest doesn't respond to that?
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09:41<babs>I have to setup a proper test environment and a perfectly reproductible case
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09:46<petn-randall>babs: Don't have any experience with openvz directly. I'd try to crank up the debug output, and check why it gets stuck. Then I'd double check with the config documentation. If didn't solve it until then, I'd take it to the openvz mailing list.
09:47<babs>it's not openvz, it's LXC
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09:47<petn-randall>babs: Sorry, LXC, mixed that up with another support case.
09:47<babs>it use to work on OpenVZ before upgrade to wheezy (which froced me to go for LXC :))
09:48<newtothis>would you guys happen to have any experience getting ath9k_htc working (for an offline machine - it's the only network connection it has)? :/
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09:49<newtothis>it wasn't detected during the install from the dvd but lsmod shows that it's there.
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09:51<newtothis>i'm downloading the fw now ^^*
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09:52<newtothis>but how can i mount an ntfs partition (usb) without intalling anything from the web (i do have the first dvd)
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09:53<car>hi, is there a possibility to get rid of broken files with errors like "cannot remove xyz Input/output error" without rebooting the system and doing a fscheck? Any hint ?
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09:53<newtothis>oh sorry nm i got it :)
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10:07<petn-randall>car: Check the kern.log, it might as well be a broken HDD.
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10:09<Stummi>car, you *should* do an fsck if you get this errors
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10:11<car>petn-randall: uuuhhh FU** kern.log does not log anymore
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10:13<apm1>car, i had a similar HD faliure , same symptoms :(
10:14<car>apm1: and solution was to change the disk ?
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10:15<apm1>car, sadly yes
10:15<apm1>and even cloning the disk failed
10:15<apm1>i had to do a fresh install on the new HD
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10:16<petn-randall>car: As always, it's a great idea to have backups. If you don't have any, do them *now*.
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10:18<petn-randall>car: use e.g. 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' to check the disk. If it's not installed, it's in the package smartmontools.
10:18<car>petn-randall: i have got a backup. but its a live system, so a reboot isnt that easy to do
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10:19<petn-randall>car: Is this your root fs?
10:19<petn-randall>... that's borked?
10:20<petn-randall>car: then unmounting it and fsck should do it, though I'd check for defect sectors first.
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10:21<mister_zombie1>Hi, I have a quick question: I distro-hopped from Arch, on my netbook. I have an HDMI output for the Radeon Mobility HD 4225 that lives in my netbook. I used to be able to run xrandr to set the second screen to 1980x1200 and still have the main screen at 1366x768, but not since I installed wheezy. Any idea what I should do (apart maybe installing proprietary drivers which I remember meant great pain in Arch)
10:21<car>petn-randall: okay, but its the partition where the www-system lives :( . so i cant do an unmount. maybe between 2-3 AM.
10:22<car>petn-randall: can i do the smartzctl checkdisk during the partition is mounted
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10:24<petn-randall>car: Yes.
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10:25<car>petn-randall: thx
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10:46<sexyshape>I haven't made apt updates for a long time, but why does it download 555 pdiff files, wasn't it used to download only a few diff files ?
10:47<retrospectacus>you answered your own question
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10:52<retrospectacus>sexyshape: unless the question was "how do I disable apt from downloading pdiffs" ; then /msg dpkg pdiff
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10:57<sexyshape>oh I see, the default config may have changed since I checked, but it's slower with pdiff, gonna try with http, thank you
10:58<retrospectacus>pdiff and http are unrelated. It's pdiff vs. full package lists
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10:59<retrospectacus>unless you *always* wait months between "apt-get update"s, pdiffs should be faster
10:59<sexyshape>sure, I mean I use ftp sources, and maybe that's why it's slower to download pdiff rathen then diffs
11:00<retrospectacus>oh, yes perhaps
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11:03<trico>debian doesn't send the hostname even thought dhclient has 'send-host-name = gethostname()'
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11:03<SynrG>retrospectacus: re "always wait months", no, even weeks is enough to make pdiffs annoying
11:04<SynrG>especially if you have a fairly nice broadband connection
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11:04<SynrG>the pdiff optimization doesn't really do anything for me :p
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11:05<trico>hostname is set, how do it get this damn dhclient to send it???
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11:07<retrospectacus>trico: works for me. How can you tell it isn't sending it? Maybe your dhcp server ignored it
11:07<retrospectacus>SynrG: fair enough!
11:07<trico>why would the dhcp ignore it?
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11:08<mister_zombie1>Does anyone know why xrandr reports my maximum resolution as 1366x1366? I just distro-hopped from Arch Linux, and I used to have no problem using a second screen at 1980x1200
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11:09<retrospectacus>trico: lots of reasons? no reason? what dhcp server is it? Something to consider. Again, what makes you think it isn't sending it
11:09<trico>winblows xp, 7, 8, 8.1P, server 2000, 2003, 2008 dont have this problem
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11:10<trico>only debian
11:10<LtL>trico: try send-hostname in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
11:10<trico>its already there
11:10<trico>send host-name = gethostname();
11:11<LtL>trico: un-commented? should work
11:11<retrospectacus>try manually putting something instead of gethostname()
11:11<retrospectacus>mister_zombie1: probably your video driver
11:12<trico>service networking restart after that?
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11:13<LtL>trico: yes unless you wait for a lease expire probably.
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11:14<trico>still doesnt work
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11:16<LtL>trico: in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf un-comment and edit `send host-name ""; (should make it happen.)
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11:17<retrospectacus>trico: can you explain exactly how you are checking that it "doesn't work"?
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11:19<LtL>trico: check, /etc/hosts /etc/hostname if you haven't already
11:19<retrospectacus>is your local DNS lookup server the same machine as the DHCP server?
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11:22<petn-randall>trico: ping & ssh do *NOT* check if dhclient is sending a hostname at all.
11:22<Poenikatu>Hello. Can anybody help me with a recurring problem with the use of the Info system? Whenever I invokde 'info' I get the message 'The Top node cannot be found'
11:22<petn-randall>trico: You should check it with tshark/wireshark.
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11:22<Poenikatu>I have examined the file /usr/share/info/dir and it definitely contains the Top node
11:22<trico>i can ping the windows machines and the linux machines i entered in hte dns manualyl
11:23<Poenikatu>My INFOPATH contains the directory /usr/share/info
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11:26<petn-randall>trico: Could be a bug anywhere between dhclient, the DHCP server, the DNS server and your lookup tool. Unless you verify it's not sending it's hostname, we'll be wasting our time here.
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11:33<trico>how can i do that without wireshark? maybe get dhcleint to release and verbosely request a new ip?
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11:34<retrospectacus>trico: how is your DHCP server supposed to update local DNS ? Maybe you just have to wait a while.
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11:35<petn-randall>trico: Use tshark, or tcpdump.
11:36<petn-randall>trico: Or crank up the debug level of the DHCP server.
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11:36<trico>thats what im doing now, i cant get dhclient to do anything useful
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11:41<petn-randall>trico: How are you invoking dhclient? By hand, or are you using ifup/ifdown?
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11:42<retrospectacus>hi sefoox
11:42<Purple>hi sefox
11:42<trico>tried by hand, tried with ifdown/up
11:42<Purple>sorry seefox
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11:43*retrospectacus reminds Purple of the TAB key
11:43<petn-randall>trico: Paste the contents of /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf to
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11:44<trico>FWStatus, DHCPREQUEST for ( from 08:00:27:4f:49:06 (ps2) via eth1, pri=6, proc_id=dhcpd, msg_id=
11:45<trico>so i see my hostname
11:45<sefoox>Suffering from the problem I can not install software on the system
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11:46<retrospectacus>sefoox: please describe your problem in more detail; put your attempts and their output on to show us.
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11:48<petn-randall>trico: Which release are you on?
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11:49<LtL>trico: line 16, it can be hostname only and not fqdn
11:49<babs>the proper syntax for send hostname is not "<hostname>"; ?
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11:49<babs>like send host-name "<hostname>"; ?
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11:50<trico>i didnt touch this file
11:50<babs>trac3r, instead of line 17 ?
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11:50<trico>16 is a comment anyway
11:50<LtL>trico: un-comment it
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11:51<babs>I didn't knew this syntax
11:51<trico>why? its wrong and irrelevant to my set up
11:52<petn-randall>trico: Where in the DHCP request do you see your hostname?
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11:53<babs>ths first question is: is your dhcp server configured to update your local DNS server ?
11:53<trico>its doing it for every single windows machine here
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11:53<babs>windows use other discovery mechanisms
11:54<babs>you can ping a windows machine in the same subnet even without DNS (via netbios for example)
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11:55<babs>on your linux machine, what does a "host <one of your windows mahcine>" returns ?
11:55<petn-randall>trico: That's the reverse lookup to the mac address, to the IP address. It doesn't say if your dhclient is sending your host-name.
11:56<petn-randall>trico: Try dhclient -d -v
11:56<babs>there is no reverse lookup ascociated with MAC
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11:57<trico>host 'machine' gives the fqdn and ip for everymachine i try except local host
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11:57<petn-randall>babs: The machine looks up the IP to the mac from the ARP table, then does a reverse lookup on the IP. We already know that he's got reverse DNS configured.
11:57<babs>try to replace gethostname() by "<hostname>"
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11:58<babs>I'm not sure DHCP server refers to PTR in its logs
11:59<petn-randall>trico: What dhcp server are you using?
11:59<trico>looks like dhcpd
12:00*petn-randall is thinking either isc-dhcp or dnsmasq as he's seen those logs before.
12:00<retrospectacus>trico: and what DNS server are you using, and how are they talking? (you mentioned already they are not the same machine)
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12:01<trico>dns server is part of windows server 2003
12:01<babs>and the DHCP server ?
12:02<babs>are the windows machine you're talking about are in domain ?
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12:02<trico>dhcpd i think. its part of a firewall box
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12:04<babs>Is your windows server 2003 a domain controller where your other windows workstation are registrered in ?
12:04<petn-randall>trico: Ok, wait. So DNS is running on Windows 2003, and DHCP is running on a box you're not sure what it's running. Have you checked if dhclient sends the hostname yet?
12:04<babs>it's not an issue with dhclient
12:04<trico>i see it in the dhcp servers logs
12:04<babs>the DNS records are set via domain registration
12:04<babs>not via DHCP
12:05<trico>i have one machine not on the domain here? what do want to bed its in the dns?
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12:06<retrospectacus>trico: how often (and how) does the dhcp server update the DNS server? (I asked 40 minutes ago)
12:06<blast007>easy solution would be to assign a static IP to that one system and manually add the DNS records
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12:07<babs>blast007 I agree
12:07<trico>i dont know
12:07<petn-randall>trico: If you don't verify that dhclient *ISN'T* sending the hostname, it's not a Debian problem and off-topic here.
12:07<trico>im still looking for that
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12:08<trico>hmmm... fine. ill take this off-topic. for now.
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12:09<retrospectacus>try ##networking on freenode
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12:10<babs>hint: maybe you should take a look on using windows' DHCP server
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12:11<retrospectacus>trico: (you don't know) -> that is a very integral part and you should find out, ##networking will also certainly ask that
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12:12<petn-randall>trico: You just simply have to verify that dhclient is *SENDING* your hostname. If you don't know how to do that, no problem, just say so, and we'll tell you ways. It just doesn't make sense to explore anything else before that.
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12:14<trico>i see the hostname in the dhcp server logs when it's set to gethostname(). so maybe it is an issue with the dhcp server / dns server after all
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12:19<mister_zombie1>So lspci -k gives me this in regard of my vga controller, which I presume to be how the command refers to my video card:
12:19<mister_zombie1>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]
12:19<mister_zombie1> Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device 0429
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12:19<mister_zombie1>Other entries include "Kernel driver in use" parts, that I don't see
12:19<mister_zombie1>(at least, not in the VGA controller part)
12:21<mister_zombie1>Should i follow the instruction to install the non-free firmware? (
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12:24<sney>mister_zombie1: the firmware is generally a good idea for anyone using the 'radeon' driver
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12:26<mister_zombie1>Very well. Oh. Generating a new kernel, will reboot. Thx sney
12:26<sney>what? kernel?
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12:29<mister_zombie1>Worked, thanks again sney
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12:44<paranoiko_koalaki>hello i need some help about changing in to a new desktop enviroment
12:46<mister_zombie1>More specifically?
12:47<paranoiko_koalaki>I want to install cinamon desktop eviroment i gave these commands apt-get install cinnamon
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12:48<mister_zombie1>What were you using before cinnamon?
12:48<retrospectacus>and what is the problem?
12:49<mister_zombie1>If you were using gnome or kde you should be able to switch to cinnamon from the login screen
12:49<paranoiko_koalaki>it installed the desktop. when i restarted the system and chose cinnamon desktop it shown only the gnome enviroment
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12:50<musca>you want nemo and muffin, iguess?
12:50<paranoiko_koalaki>just cinamon
12:50<paranoiko_koalaki>debian I use is debian wheezy
12:50<musca>nemo is the filemanager and also paints icons on the cinnamon desktop
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12:51<paranoiko_koalaki>yes i know
12:51<dpkg>Nemo is a fork of <Nautilus> version 3.4. Its goal is to extend the <Cinnamon> user experience to desktop and file management.
12:51<paranoiko_koalaki>but strangly it stuks in gnome
12:52<musca>so, did you install it?
12:52<paranoiko_koalaki>yes buts it's it shows only gnome 3
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12:55<paranoiko_koalaki>if there was a deb package I'll be gratefull
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12:56<retrospectacus>paranoiko_koalaki: there is, of course... you said yourself you installed with "apt-get install cinnamon"
12:56<musca>muffin is the windowmanager, right?
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12:58<retrospectacus>musca: yes
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12:59<mshuler>'update-alternatives --config x-window-manager' perhaps? or selecting the desktop to run when logging into {g,k,x}dm?
12:59<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell paranoiko_koalaki about kali
12:59<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell paranoiko_koalaki about based on debian
12:59<sney>yeah, cinnamon is not in wheezy
13:00<sney>it's in jessie and I'm using it right now, but it's not in wheezy
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13:00<mshuler>oh, sorry, /me is on jessie
13:00<retrospectacus>(s)he was on kali
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13:00<sney>a closer relative to debian than some of the based-ons, but still
13:01<retrospectacus>well, in debian choosing the DE at the login screen works
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13:24<ffog>I have a new debian 7 64 install on my desktop and after 24hrs of the ethernet connection working it died, rebooting hasn't helped. any tips? "device not managed"
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13:26<retrospectacus>ffog: what said "device not managed"?
13:26<gernot>Ooh, Cinnamon is in Jessie!? Any idea what the likelihood of a backport to Wheezy is?
13:26<ffog>the xfce network icon
13:27<retrospectacus>ffog: ok; remove the interface from the interfaces file
13:28<retrospectacus>ffog: the interface can be managed by interfaces (ifupdown) *or* network-manager-applet but not both.
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13:29<ffog>hmm okay
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13:31<retrospectacus>ffog: well, it *can* be managed by both if you change the file as described there ^
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13:32<ffog>interesting, i meet conditions, i wonder why it worked at first and then died
13:32<sney>gernot: it did build and run on wheezy when wheezy was still testing. so it's not out of the question
13:33<sney>gernot: at the very least you could do a self-backport
13:33<retrospectacus>ffog: well probably your DHCP lease ran out. The details of the change would be hard to guess.
13:35<ffog>gotcha, its working now, thank you for the link
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13:35<gernot>sney, thanks, good to know!
13:35<ffog>it didn't seem like i did anything unusual, i guess i'm used to wifi on my debian laptops *shrug*
13:36<sney>when you do a netinstall, the interface you used for the install is added to interfaces on the finished system
13:36<sney>and then ignored by network-manager by default.
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13:38<ffog>makes sense, could be smoother
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13:42<AzaToth>I was trying to access and got "Debian is out of credits - Adult sites must have credits to be online"
13:43<AzaToth>so debian is a adult site now...
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13:43<musca>AzaToth: you could try instead
13:44<AzaToth>musca: was a mailing list post I was searching for
13:45<AzaToth>musca: is a cache of that page
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13:47<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
13:47<retrospectacus>jgeek: test failed
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13:52<jgeek>I'm a newbie
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13:54<retrospectacus>jgeek: do you need help with IRC or with Debian?
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14:25<Theor>hi, running wheezy 7.1 as a desktop, i'm having a problem with rhythmbox (2.97), which randomly freezes the xfce session when i use the seek bar (snd card : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH). only the cursor will move, will have to kill xsession and log again. should i fill a bug report ?
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14:36<Chav>Hi. I need a separate instance of Privoxy, in addition to my current one, that has access to a custom resolv.conf. Apparently this means using a chroot. Is that hard to set up?
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14:40<chris429>hello, I just installed lxde on top of the most recent ubuntu. All is well, except Alt-F2 only works the first time after login
14:40<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc chris429
14:40<dpkg>chris429: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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14:45<Chav>Does anyone know how much additional drive space a chroot typically requires? I'm running Wheezy as a headless server, CLI only.
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14:48<valdyn>Chav: the same as a "normal"system, minus the kernel
14:48<retrospectacus>Chav: less than 200 MB
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14:50<Chav>valdyn: so, running a du on my current install minus the the Home directories should give me an accurate indication?
14:51<valdyn>Chav: no?
14:51<valdyn>Chav: you can have between 200 and maybe 20G worth of debian packages installed
14:52<valdyn>Chav: s/200/200M/
14:52<Chav>valdyn: so, how are you defining "normal" in this case?
14:52<retrospectacus>Chav: for a most basic install made by <debootstrap> it's about 200MB - you can install much more of course, if you want ....actual functionality
14:52<valdyn>Chav: my normal just meant a bootable system, not a chroot
14:54<valdyn>Chav: once you understand what chroot really means you should see how easily you can answer your own questions you just asked
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14:56<Chav>valdyn: Is the understanding offered by insufficient then? Because I can't determine from that page alone how much space a new chroot would use.
14:57<valdyn>Chav: you can think of your "main" system as of being a chroot system
14:58<valdyn>Chav: thats the thing, if something is called a chroot or not has nothing to do with whats in it, but how its started
14:58<Maulkin>Chav: For a completely minimum system, you're probably looking at about 20Mb
14:58<Chav>retrospectacus: thanks.
14:58<Maulkin>Chav: Anything up from there really, depending on what you install into it
14:59<Chav>Maulkin: well, the smaller the better. It's only for a separate instance of Privoxy, and the boot drive is only 4GB.
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15:00<valdyn>maulkin is not even counting package management, you may or may not want a "real" debian system in your chroot
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15:01<Maulkin>Chav: best thing is to use debootstrap, then install privoxy in to it and see what size it is
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15:01<Chav>Is what goes into your chroot determined when you run debootstrap, or do you have to weed out cruft afterwards?
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15:02<valdyn>Chav: its up to you what you want to weeed out, im sure you could weed quite alot
15:03<Maulkin>Chav: It installs the core packages. You can certainly strip out more.
15:04<valdyn>Chav: however i believe there should be a better way to slip in a different nameserver than chroot
15:04<terrible96>hi i restore my system but now my system boots into (none) login: So I cannot login anymore. Any idea how I can fix this?
15:04<Maulkin>Chav: See as an example on how to do this for ssh
15:05<Maulkin>terrible96: What did you change?
15:05<Maulkin>terrible96: And what version of Debian are you running?
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15:05<Chav>valdyn: My aim is to have Privoxy A offer access through my default set of DNSs, with Privoxy B using a completely different set of DNSs. This is not supported directly by Privoxy, and their support team suggested the chroot.
15:06<Chav>valdyn: if there's an easier way I'm all ears :)
15:06<Chav>Maulkin: thanks.
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15:06<terrible96>Maulkin, i run a fsck then boots into (none) login debian jessie
15:07<Maulkin>terrible96: sounds fairly broken. Though jessie isn't supported here - try #debian-next
15:09<terrible96>Maulkin, what happend if i reconfigure inittab??
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15:09<Maulkin>terrible96: That could have broken it, yes.
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15:10<Maulkin>terrible96: jessie isn't supported here - try #debian-next
15:10<Maulkin>terrible96: Your quickest option is probably to reinstall htough
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15:10<terrible96>Maulkin, there is a command to reconfigure or how can i do that??
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15:13<Maulkin>terrible96: jessie isn't supported here - try #debian-next
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15:14<terrible96>Maulkin, i already post there no one reply
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15:15<Maulkin>terrible96: then you probably need to reinstall. With stable if you want support here
15:16<terrible96>Maulkin, have to be a way to restart the system back
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15:20<Maulkin>terrible96: Yes, but it will require much more one to one support than we can offer here, for free. You've broken something quite fundamental by the sounds of things. I don't even know where to begin. Though, as I'm feeling nice: try
15:20<Maulkin>terrible96: If that doesn't work, you're on your own
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15:21<terrible96>Maulkin, alright thank for the help
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15:29<mariano>hi wheezy
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16:00<dpkg>redjohn: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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16:33<terrible96>i have install debian jessie but i want i reinstall the system and i only have debian 6 squeeze disc i can reinstall and then go to jessie again???
16:33<dpkg>alkimya: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
16:34<terrible96>sney, are you talking to me??
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16:35<sney>terrible96: yes. you can upgrade to testing (jessie) from stable (wheezy.)
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16:36<terrible96>sney, ok but i have two user now create it the installation ask me for a user i put the one how can i recover the second one
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16:38<Guest2671>just playing with knoppix live dvd -
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16:39<Guest2671>I,m in uk, lincolnshire - home of many wwII air bases
16:39<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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16:40<Guest2671>thanks dpkg
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16:42<Guest2671>Ah, i see ive landed on a different forum. the xchat automatically went there. going now
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16:44<nadir>if qemu grabs the mouse, what is the keyboard shortcut to give it back to the host system?
16:44<rudi_s>nadir: alt-ctrl IIRC
16:45<nadir>rudi_s: thanks.
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17:23<DrZaius>hi... apt-get dist-upgradeis trying to remove clementine witch is manually installed
17:23<DrZaius>how can i tell why?
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17:28<dooglus>is there an iso file to install debian testing onto a new computer? or do I have to install stable and upgrade?
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17:29<daemonkeeper>You should do the latter.
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17:30<Maulkin>dooglus: And if you get stuck, you should use #debian-next
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17:32<demetre>DrZaius: do 'clementine' have a dependency on a package being removed by the dist-upgrade?
17:32<DrZaius>demetre: is there a way to check that is not manual? :>
17:32<dooglus>Maulkin: I'm stuck already. I can't find the .iso files to install stable. the installation guides all point to each other
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17:33<blast007>dooglus: then perhaps you shouldn't be trying to install testing? :)
17:34<dooglus> -> -> -> ...
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17:35<dooglus>I'm trying to find a .iso image to boot from
17:35<blast007>dooglus: the "Small CDs" section on the netinst page
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17:36<Maulkin>Link on the top right entitled "Download"
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17:37<Maulkin>blast007: (Thought that would be simpler :P)
17:37<dooglus>it's kinda big. is there something smaller?
17:37<blast007>Maulkin: also thought he could look at the page he was already on ;)
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17:37<blast007>dooglus: 485MB is kinda big?
17:37<dooglus>maybe the hd-media iso?
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17:38<Maulkin>dooglus: What architecture?
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17:40<dooglus>Maulkin: amd64
17:40<dooglus>I think may be what I want
17:40<Maulkin>That'll do
17:40<dooglus>thanks. sorry for bothering you
17:41<Maulkin>No problems :)
17:41<dooglus>that'll download from the debian repos, right? I don't need to set up a server locally?
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17:42<dooglus>I'm stuck again - I turned on the computer and it's running some kind of 'windows for idiots' thing. lots of huge tesselated icons. how do I quit it?
17:42<Maulkin>dooglus: That's right
17:43<retrospectacus>dooglus: pull out the power cable
17:43<dooglus>retro: it has a battery
17:44<retrospectacus>pull that out too
17:44<retrospectacus>or, ask in a related channel (##windows on freenode)
17:45<dooglus>I can use 'usb-creator-gtk" to write this iso to a USB stick?
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17:47<retrospectacus>dooglus: no idea... you can use cat or dd
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17:56<tuvwx>what swap partition size should i use for a server with 4GB or ram?
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17:59<dooglus>turns out I can't use usb-creator-gtk - it doesn't like the "GNU/Linux" version string, apparently. but I can cp to /dev/sdb directly
17:59<trico>do you need to hibernate?
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18:04<dooglus>the installer is asking for a trl_nic/...fw file. I found a .deb with it in. do I need to extract it? or just give it the .deb?
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18:04<dooglus>rtl* (not trl)
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18:07<blast007>eh, wait, that might be for actual PXE booting..
18:07<dooglus>I'll stick the .fw file on a memory stick and see what happens
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18:07<dooglus>.deb is just .ar in disguise?
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18:08<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell dooglus about installer firmware
18:08<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell dooglus about deb
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18:11<dooglus>I expect it doesn't matter - I use wireless internet anyway
18:12<retrospectacus>you will probably need firmware for that too
18:12<tuvwx>does it make sense to put swap on any sort of software raid? raid0? raid1?
18:13<EmleyMoor>tuvwx: Swap on RAID1 is not a bad idea - resilient if a disk fails...
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18:13<EmleyMoor>Mine's on RAID6 FWIW
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18:19<dooglus>is it plasible that "erasing data on SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #5 (sda)" takes over 10 minutes with no visual feedback re. progress? or is it hung?
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18:20<dooglus>or even plausible?
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18:25<EmleyMoor>dooglus: Are you setting up encryption?
18:25<dooglus>I chose the last option, I think.
18:25<EmleyMoor>dooglus: It will take a very long time and give no obvious feedback
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18:26<dooglus>Emely: I hit 'cancel' - and it let me carry on repartitioning. do I need to let the wipe finish?
18:26<dooglus>Emley: it's a brand new hdd - just windows crap on it
18:26<EmleyMoor>dooglus: No idea. I let mine just carry on...
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18:27<dooglus>we'll see, I guess :)
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18:28<dooglus>how disilient is this encrypted LVN stuff to disk curruption? If I lose a sector on the disk, do I lose the wghole filesystem?
18:29<dooglus>whole*, etc.
18:29<dooglus>that's enough. thanks
18:30<dooglus>but you know what I mean? with cleartext drives, lose a sector and you mostly just have a hole in one file. but damage a gpg file and the whole content is gone
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18:34<dooglus>it seems the wireless interface is working without the need for extra firmware
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18:43<derek_>hello, i recently upgraded a xen dom0 from squeeze to wheezy and am havinig issues getting the domUs to boot. it seems that prior to the upgrade there was a /dev/xvda2 available to the domUs but now there is only /dev/xvda. Changing the .cfg for the domUs to reflect this does not seem to resolve the issue.
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18:59<Infiltrator>Which packages do I need to install to get 32-bit openGL/nvidia working with wine on my 64-bit system?
19:01<Infiltrator>derek_: Does this [] help?
19:01<derek_>checking it out, thank you
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19:12<derek_>Infiltrator: thanks for the URL, it was one of the ones i had stumbled upon when searching, but it appears that my issue isn't related to the xen-blkfront module. /dev/xvda does show up, but not /dev/xvda2 as I am hoping to see.
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19:30<petn-randall>Infiltrator: just install wine:i386, that should pull in all dependencies.
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19:39<derek_>OK wow what a wonderful feeling. I didn't completely solve my problems, but I'm back on my feet. My dom0 also serves as my apt caching server and I happened to have the old kernel that the dom0s had in their configs: 2.6.32-5-xen-686
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19:40<derek_>Installing with dpkg -i resulted with no errors and changing the dom0 configs back to the original permitted me to boot them on the previous kernel.
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19:42<derek_>That will give me some breathing room to examine how the new kernel wants to mount virtual disks... as well as not worry about having to restore the VMs from backups to another server. :)
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19:49<faster>i just got debian and tried doing apt-get install virtualbox, got this error: 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20130615-23:06'
19:49<faster>in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
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19:51<Infiltrator>petn-ran1all: It conflicts with wine:amd64; but I followed the deps and none of them have to do with opengl.
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19:51<Infiltrator>faster: Do you prefer GUIs? In which case, open up Synaptic and go to package sources (I think); otherwise open up /etc/apt/source.list.
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19:52<Infiltrator>faster: Have a look here [] for sources.list info.
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19:55<blakes>Does anybody here use mod_evasive?
19:56<faster>thank you infernix
19:56<faster>Infiltrator, *
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19:57<Infiltrator>!tell blakes -about ask
19:57<faster>got it working :)
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20:00<blakes>I have a problem with mod_evasive on Debian Wheezy. It ignores the .conf file as well as claims it cannot write to a chmod'd 777 directory.
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20:02<anonymuouss>don't chmod stuff 777, think of 775, or 755 as a 777
20:02<blakes>yea, i did 777 for testing
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20:05<anonymuouss>i do it sometimes as well. nasty habit. who is the directory owned by ? sometimes a chown can be mroe sueful
20:05<anonymuouss>useful* although , it doesn't sound like either chown or chmod is really the solution for this
20:06<blakes>yea, i've used chown with no fix either
20:06<blakes>seems that the .conf isn't being read or something, as it ignores where I tell it to log
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20:07<blakes>I'm wondering if I shouldn't just compile from source, I just typically like to use apt so things are updated when there are security problems
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20:09<terrible96>i i have debian 6 squeezee and i want to upgrade to wheezy what are the lines i
20:09<terrible96>have to add at the repos list
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20:10<anonymuouss>did you back all of your data up?
20:12<anonymuouss>here is a pretty good wiki on changing your repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:14<anonymuouss>ah here
20:16<blakes>so i reinstalled, but one of the files listed on the debian package page seems to be missing
20:16<blakes>how would I get that file?
20:16<anonymuouss>you could use "apt-file search" to look for files that are in different debian packages
20:17<anonymuouss>that is pretty powerful. i usually run it as root, and it creates a big record fo all of the files in the debian repository section that you are searching
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20:18<blakes>been running Debian since 2001 and never ran into a weird problem like this. I guess I've been very lucky
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20:20<blakes>so it finds libapache2-mod-evasive: /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod-evasive.load
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20:20<blakes>but in /etc/apache2/mods-available, that file does not exist :-/
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20:22<Apollo>did the install command for that module return any errors?
20:23<blakes>oh sorry
20:23<blakes>i mean, no errors
20:23<blakes>trying an apt-get install --reinstall
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20:24<blakes>no luck. All of hte files but that one are there. I looked at the packages page. Is there a way to just manually extract that file?
20:25<blakes>when looking for help on google, I just found a number of sites talking about installing from source. So maybe I should apt-get remove and just do that?
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20:26<blakes>i did an apt-get install libapache2-mod-evasive on a different server and it created all of the files
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20:29<Infiltrator>So, glxinfo:i386 says that I do not have direct rendering:; but (I think that) I have all the i386 nvidia packages: What did I mess up?
20:29<Infiltrator>blakes: I assume that you've tried purging it and then installing again?
20:29<blakes>Infiltrator: yes
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20:33<gsimmons>dpkg: tell blakes -about confmiss
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20:42<overjoyedpulp>anyone here use steam on wheezy? mine stopped launching games today
20:42<overjoyedpulp>terminal said glibc 2.14 wasn't present
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20:50<scientes>sound works as root, but not as a normal user
20:50<scientes>what do i do
20:51<scientes>i added myself to the audio group
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20:58<ardex>what is the easiest gui bit torrent downloader
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21:00<scientes>ardex, transmission-gtk
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21:01<ardex>scientes: thanks
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21:12<stoner>anybody from russia here?
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21:13<Infiltrator>scientes: Any debug output?
21:14<Infiltrator>gsimmons: Shouldn't purging and then installing again bring back any config files, though?
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21:21<gsimmons>Infiltrator: Yes, if the package was actually purged (not just removed).
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21:54<Infiltrator>gsimmons: Wonder why it didn't work for blakes, then.
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22:14<dysto>Hello. Can anyone point me to documentation on configuring my power settings? I have Debian 7.1 x86 XFCE flavor installed on my panasonic toughbook cf-m34 mk7. so, its old..
22:15<dysto>Specifically the system wont suspend when I shut the lid, (but it will suspend when I set the power switch to do so.) and the lcd won't sleep.
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22:22<faster>i need to mount my external hd as root for some reason, how would i do that?
22:22<Infiltrator>faster: What's your "some reason"? There's probably an easier way.
22:23<faster>it said beause its an ntfs file system
22:23<Infiltrator>dysto: I'm assuming that you're using gnome3 and have looked in the power settings there?
22:23<faster>i can change it to ext 4 with gparted, but i need to empty it first i think
22:23<Infiltrator>faster: Why do you want to mount an ntfs as your root?
22:24<faster>because it wont let me do it as a regular user
22:24<Infiltrator>faster: Ooooh. I thought that you meant that you wanted it mounted to /.
22:25<Infiltrator>faster: Unless a fs is listed in fstab as user-mountable, you always need to sudo mount to mount it.
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22:26<Infiltrator>faster: So just do 'sudo mount /dev/sd-whatever /mnt/wherever'.
22:26<dysto>Infiltrator, no. I am using the XFCE flavor. I have tried the power settings in the menu, but no luck with the lcd. the system will suspend after a set amount though. also the lcd will sleep when I close the lid.. its odd.
22:27<Infiltrator>Having said that, I thought that gnome automatically mounted external drives when you connect them?
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22:27<dysto>I was thinking that too. Even thunar will do that. ;P
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22:29<dysto>Infiltrator, is there a power settings config file somewhere I could edit? If so, then I could just ignore the gui settings manager. I have to do that with the cpu scaling and the lcd brightness anyway. lol
22:30<Infiltrator>dysto: I'm not sure; I do know, though, that acpi has a CLI tool which you can use to talk to it.
22:30<dysto>I will look through the man page some more. Thank you! :)
22:30<Infiltrator>dysto: Package acpitool, I believe.
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22:36<Infiltrator>Sooo... 32-bit openGL anyone? :D
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22:36<fixnipples>ok does anyone know how to remove the dang nvidia proprietary drivers? Ive got a headless server I want to install a gui on, and apparently it used to have an nvidia card in it that no longer exists
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22:37<fixnipples>subsequently I am unable to get x to load for gdm until I remove that crap from my box
22:37<dysto>Infiltrator, can you point me to documentation on kernel modules and how they work and how to enable them? I'v been using linux since redhat 7, you'd think I'd know this stuff by now.. lol
22:37<Infiltrator>fixnipples: Just purge all nvidia packages?
22:37<fixnipples>its not a package
22:37<fixnipples>I installed using nvidias proprietary installer
22:37<fixnipples>it wasnt installed using apt
22:37<Infiltrator>fixnipples: Hah. Try nvidia-installer-cleanup, then.
22:38<fixnipples>command not found
22:38<Infiltrator>fixnipples: I mean install that package.
22:39<fixnipples>thank you
22:39<dysto>woo! that one is tucked in my brain for later.
22:40<Infiltrator>dysto: modinfo and modprobe to use them; unless you're talking about building your own?
22:40<fixnipples>Hey guise I know this isnt a secret or anything, but, gnome3 sucks nuts, Im just sayin
22:41<Infiltrator>fixnipples: If you don't like it, don't use it. ;)
22:41<fixnipples>it locks my box up at random besides being a retarted mistake of epic proportions
22:41<dysto>no, I just want to know how to poke around with what is already here for now to see if I can get the touchscreen working. The only info I could find was for the older cf-m34 s. :/
22:41<fixnipples>sorry but lxde, xfce are crap compared to gnome2
22:42<fixnipples>kde is garbage
22:42<dysto>I like XFCE for the most part.. the system settings are all kind of crap, but I prefer editing text files for that stuff anyway.
22:42<dysto>agreed on kde.. lol
22:42<fixnipples>I use xfce on old pentium III machines because I have no choice, I never use it because its something I look forward too
22:42<Infiltrator>Meh. I use gnome3 on the rare occasion that I'm in X and it doesn't seem so bad to me.
22:43<dysto>l33t. ;)
22:43<fixnipples>I guess gnome3 might be great if you are rocking a 16 core machine with 120gb of ram
22:43<Infiltrator>Only four cores here. :(
22:43<fixnipples>yeah, like I said
22:43<fixnipples>oh right coz u know everyone has quad core
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22:43<dysto>"what will I ever do with all these system resources? OH! Gnome 3!" ;p
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22:44<Infiltrator>I actually use it on my centrino laptop, too.
22:44<dysto>coming to you live from a centreno 1000MHz max.. lol
22:44<Infiltrator>Anyway, this is off-topic, so please take it to #debian-offtopic. :)
22:44<dysto>sorry sorry
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22:46<Infiltrator>dysto|AFK: I started/continued it, so I'm just as much to blame.
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22:48<Infiltrator>Back on topic: How do I get 32-bit openGL running on my 64-bit system? glxinfo:i386 says that I don't have direct rendering (, but I have the i386 libgl package installed:
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22:55<fixnipples>Fatal server error:
22:55<fixnipples>[ 29.690] no screens found
22:55<fixnipples>unable to launch gui
22:55<fixnipples>xorg log is reporting that to me
22:55<fixnipples>Im pretty sure this is a screen im looking at
22:57<Infiltrator>fixnipples: You could be mistaken; have you checked with your doctor?
22:57<Infiltrator>fixnipples: Also, which xserver-xorg-video-* packages do you have installed?
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22:58<Infiltrator>Well, fudge me; I needed to install libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32. I thought that all the ia32 packages were obsolete with multi-arch?
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23:09<dysto|AFK>Infiltrator, acpitool is able to make my machine suspend. I think the gui configuration tools are not pointed to the proper place, or somehow do not have the proper permissions or something. acpitool wanted root. makes sense.
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23:21<fixnipples>how do I know what xserver is installed
23:21<fixnipples>the one that gdm installed
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23:22<fixnipples>theres like a zillion versions installed
23:23<fixnipples>isnt there like some kind of xorg conf wizard or something to unfuck this?
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23:24<dysto>I wish I knew. I have much to learn. I think you can use apt-cache to look at package depends.. :/
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23:31<faster>Infiltrator, hey u still there?
23:31<faster>had some internet problems
23:31<Infiltrator>fixnipples: You've lost me; I doubt that you have more than one xserver installed.
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23:31<faster>anyway i cant get into my external hd because its ntfs
23:31<faster>if anyone knows how to fix that, it currently says it has to be mounted as rot
23:32<Infiltrator>faster: sudo mount /dev/sd-whatever /mnt/wherever
23:32<dysto>thats what I was going to say
23:32<fixnipples>w/e I deleted the entry for the nvidia card in my machine, rebooted twice, locked up, rebooted again, voila magically I have XFCE
23:33<faster>ok i guess mkdir a folder first for /mnt
23:33<dysto>probably need to sudo mkdir :)
23:33<fixnipples>erm, 640x480 resoltion max, wtf
23:34<Infiltrator>faster: You can mount it in ~/wherever if you like.
23:34<Infiltrator>Also, I'm pretty sure that /mnt exists on all Debian installations?
23:34<Infiltrator>fixnipples: Which xserver-xorg-video-* packages do you have?
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23:35<wdoodle>Hello, I can report successful resolution the problem with garbage on the serial console during a portion of the boot sequence that I've come here over the last few evenings. Syntax error: the last space in "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet console=tty0 console=ttyS0, 9600n8"" from /etc/default/grub should not have been there, thusly, "console=ttyS0,9600n8". Credit goes to the to the (relatively) local guru who spotted that. Thanks to thos
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23:36<faster>~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb ~/Downloads
23:36<faster>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
23:36<faster>nvm it was sdb1
23:37<faster>got it open :)
23:37<faster>so now all my files in my external hd went to downloads....
23:38<Infiltrator>wdoodle: So an extra trailing space broke grub? Ouch.
23:38<Infiltrator>faster: Nope; it's just mounted there.
23:38<dysto>I was going to say 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 ~/whatever'
23:38<fixnipples> LOL 404
23:39<faster>that kind of defeats the purpose of having extra memory
23:39<faster>so after i unmount it disapears?
23:39<dysto>~/Downloads will be empty, because the disk is not mounted there anymore. The directory will still be there though.
23:40<faster>Infiltrator, can u just help me with the fstab maybe, seems easier
23:41<wdoodle>no, grub worked fine. It booted OK, it's just that all messages to the serial console between "Loading initial ramdisk ..." and the printing of the issue file by getty were garbage. So somehow it messed up the serial connection for a while.
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23:41<faster>i cant unmount my external hd now >_>
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23:41<dysto>faster, 'sudo umount ~/downloads' won't work?
23:43<faster>~/Downloads$ sudo unmount ~/Downloads/
23:43<faster>sudo: unmount: command not found
23:43<sney>it's umount
23:43<sney>not unmount
23:43<dysto>not UNmount just umount
23:43<faster>o ok
23:43<Infiltrator>faster: 1. It's umount; 2. Get out of ~/Downloads first.
23:44<sney>oh yeah he's going to get file in use
23:44<dysto>Infiltrator, good point. lol
23:44<Infiltrator>I'm ashamed that I've learnt from experience. :P
23:44<faster>~$ sudo umount ~/Downloads/
23:44<faster>umount: /home/faster/Downloads: device is busy.
23:44<faster> (In some cases useful info about processes that use
23:44<faster> the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
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23:44<Infiltrator>s/from/that from/
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23:45<sney>faster: you need to not have any open files in the mounted drive AND not be sitting in there at your prompt
23:45<dysto>faster, 'cd .. && sudo umount ~downloads' or something like that
23:45<Infiltrator>faster: I think that you'd be better off just using gnome/nautilus to access the drive.
23:46<wdoodle>the funny thing is, the bps/stop bit/data bits word just after the offending space had to match what the values in getty and minicom or it wouldn't work, so it was still reading the line correctly, but the space somehow caused things to go screwy for a while
23:46<fixnipples>Fatal server error:
23:46<fixnipples>Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
23:46<fixnipples>Xorg -configure
23:47<faster>ok so first off i did a cd..
23:47<faster>to get out of downloads
23:47<fixnipples>gives me a fricking segfault
23:47<faster>second whats nautilus?
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23:47<fixnipples>windows explorer = nautilus
23:47<fixnipples>its a file manager
23:47<dpkg>Nautilus is the official file manager for the <GNOME> desktop. If the 'paper' icon is shown for all file types, install the gnome-icon-theme package to resolve. FAQ: . User Guide: . #nautilus at
23:48<fixnipples>0: Xorg (xorg_backtrace+0x49) [0xb7733769]
23:48<fixnipples>1: Xorg (0xb75b6000+0x181186) [0xb7737186]
23:48<fixnipples>2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xb759740c]
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23:49<fixnipples>Im not filing a damn bug report
23:49<fixnipples>anyone who cares enough should tho
23:49<fixnipples>it aint my job
23:49<faster>fixnipples, i tried nautilus, it said i needed to be root
23:49<Infiltrator>fixnipples: So you don't care? Good; we're done here. :)
23:49<SamB>fixnipples: it's probably hardware-specific and stuff ...
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23:49<fixnipples>^ its a failure of software
23:50<fixnipples>I dont need to draw it out in crayon
23:50<faster>Infiltrator, id rather not have to run it constantly as root
23:50<dysto>fixnipples, that would be fun though..
23:50<faster>should i just change it to ext4 filing sytem?
23:50<fixnipples>yeah sis sucks anyway
23:50<fixnipples>im only loading a gui coz the PSU exploded in my workstation
23:50<fixnipples>this is an emergency until a replacement part arrives
23:51<faster>if so wats the dd command to wipe it?
23:51<Infiltrator>faster: As long as you don't need anything currently on that drive, feel free to format it.
23:52<dysto>faster, man fdisk
23:52<sney>and mkfs
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23:53<Infiltrator>faster: You don't need dd; just use gparted.
23:53<faster>ok i need to wait for the copy paste thing to finish
23:53<Infiltrator>dysto, sney: Guys, considering the trouble he's having with mount/umount, I think that it's better to point him to GUI tools. :P
23:53<faster>lot of files on there so probaly gonna take a bit
23:53<dysto>Infiltrator, agreed.
23:53<sney>linux formatting tools are generally very fast
23:54<dysto>sney, it sounds like he is using gparted to copy the whole partition to a different disk.. :/
23:54<faster>so was going 80mb/s (wow) now plummeting in speed
23:54<faster>why does that happen?
23:54<faster>dysto, no not gparted
23:55<faster>and drag n drop
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23:55<Infiltrator>80mb/s is too fast for a non-SSD disk.
23:55<sney>average reads and writes are slower than peak
23:55<dysto>faster, oh, okay. good. :)
23:55<sney>so it goes super fast out of the cache and then drops to the normal speed
23:55<sney>it'll probably sit at a couple MB/s for the bulk of the copy
23:56<faster>still at 50mb/s
23:56<faster>never seen faster than 20
23:56<faster>now 47 :(
23:57<sney>one of the reasons people think linux is faster than windows is because it does a lot of disk write caching in memory, which makes it seem faster. (the write operations are synced later on a timer, or when you call 'umount' or 'sync' manually.)
23:57<faster>be back gonna smoke a fag
23:57<fixnipples> LOL! Top 5 worlds gayest hackers!
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23:57<sney>fixnipples: this is a support channel. if you want to chat, there are hundreds of thousands of better places
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23:59<fixnipples>I figured out my problem
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