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---Logopened Wed Jul 10 00:00:01 2013
00:00<fixnipples>apt-get purge xorg-server* -y then I reinstalled
00:00<fixnipples>now everythings working
00:00<fixnipples>bc I really am awesome, thank you, thank you
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00:01<dysto>awesome! my turn? haha I just want to be able to reliably set acpi settings.. and enable the touchscreen on my toughbook.
00:02<dysto>been scouring the web for a few days and no luck.
00:03<sney>acpi is a pain. you can try with acpitool but you might wind up needing to find or write your own scripts
00:07<dysto>sney, I have had to make bash aliases to change my lcd brightness, and for cpu scaling, so I would be okay with that. I just don't know how to go about it exactly. specifically suspending the system on lid close. I found the /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state file.. so how do I write a script to watch that file for 'closed' then tell acpitool 'acpitool -s'
00:07<Infiltrator>dysto: You could hack up a script to check .../state for closed and run acpitool -s and then cron it.
00:08<Infiltrator>dysto: Or you could just write the script with an infinite loop.
00:08<Infiltrator>But you have to be careful that you don't end up calling acpitool -s too many times.
00:08<dysto>I need to up my bash chops. time to read read read. :p
00:09<Infiltrator>Good luck.
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00:10<dysto>oh! a weird thing happened though, I just remembered. I installed hal, and then suspend on lid close worked, bu it stopped after I rebooted. whats that about?
00:11<sney>there's also the package eeepc-acpi-scripts, which are (duh) some scripts to support acpi on the asus eee series. but the syntax may be worth looking at
00:11<dysto>sney, nice! thanks. I saw that looking through acpi stuff with apt-cache but ignored it because it seemed eee specific.
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00:12<faster>9 minutes remaining Infiltrator
00:12<faster>still got 36.2mb/s :)
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00:29<faster>Infiltrator, u still there?
00:29<fixnipples>infiltrate this ..l.
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00:33<faster>ahhh having problems
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00:41<faster>someone pls help
00:41<faster>my external hd is telling me its read only now
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00:42<sney>mount /dev/whatever -o remount,rw
00:43<sney>if you get errors, share them with the class
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00:44<faster>mount: only root can do that
00:44<faster>[sudo] password for faster:
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00:44<dysto>I tried changing 'LIDSTATE=' to '/proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state' in '/usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs'. Do I need to reboot to test that? because it did not work so far.
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00:47<faster_>im on a rlly big lag
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00:47<sney>o_o
00:48<jm_>dysto: you're not supposed to edit files in /usr
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00:49<faster_>ok should be less lag now
00:49<faster_>sney, still there?
00:49<dysto>oh, good. *face-palm* I made a back up.
00:50<sney>faster_: don't paste more than 3 lines to the channel at a time.
00:50<faster_>ok
00:50<sney>faster_: if you do, the channel bot automatically kicks you.
00:50<faster_>i was on a lag
00:50<faster_>which was my problem
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00:51<sney>whatever. did you have an error after running that command as root?
00:51<faster_>ya i pasted it
00:51<sney>[22:44:26] <faster> [sudo] password for faster:
00:51<sney>[22:44:26] * debhelper has kicked faster from #debian (flood)
00:51<sney>is the last I saw.
00:51<sney>paste just the error on one line, please.
00:51<faster_><faster> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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00:52<sney>I have to run. mount issues can be solved by most people here. just be clear about what the problem is, and if you have more than 3 lines to paste, do it on http://paste.debian.net/
00:52<jm_>check what kernel says too
00:53<faster>ok thanx sney
00:53<faster>jm_, me?
00:53<jm_>faster: yes
00:53<faster>how do i check that
00:53<jm_>dmesg command
00:54<jm_>dystoL why are you changing that anyway?
00:55<faster>http://paste.debian.net/15285/
00:56<jm_>does your dmesg output really contain 166 lines only?
00:57<jm_>it looks cut off at ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device as /devices/virtual/input/inp
00:57<faster>umm scrollback is set to unlimite
00:58<faster>but ya there should be more
00:58<bullgard4>I find the program »Reportbug« difficult to use. I find the program »Reportbug-NG« easy to use though. Is there an important reason to not delete the program »Reportbug« from my Wheezy computer?
00:58<jm_>you don't need to scroll back, the info from the mount should be at the end
00:59<faster>ok so i dont need toredue it?
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00:59<sdfghjklert>hi
00:59<sdfghjklert>ertyu
00:59<faster>to redue*
00:59<sdfghjklert>ok
01:00<faster>wasnt for u sdfghjklert
01:00<jm_>yes you do, since you didn't paste the end of the output
01:01<faster>ok
01:01<Infiltrator>bullgard4: reportbug is CLI, which means that you can still use it in case your X dies. Unless you're really desperate for the ~100Kb of space, why not just keep it around?
01:01<faster>http://paste.debian.net/15286/
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01:03<faster>jm_, thats wat u needed?
01:04<bullgard4>Infiltrator: That's a point. So I will keep it on my computer (at least for a while yet). -- Thank you very much for your help.
01:05<jm_>faster: is this really the last thing in your dmesg output?
01:05<faster>umm ya
01:05<faster>why?
01:05<jm_>then show us what happens after you run that sudo command (i.e. its output)
01:05<faster>which command?
01:06<jm_>the one you used earlier
01:07<faster>k
01:08<faster>~$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 -o remount,rw
01:08<faster>[sudo] password for faster:
01:08<faster>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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01:08<Infiltrator>faster: What type is /dev/sdb1?
01:09<faster>my external hd
01:09<dysto>faster, sudo mount -t ntfs
01:09<jm_>your problem is you're not specifying where to mount it
01:09<jm_>(i.e. it's not in fstab)
01:09<faster>ok did it
01:09<faster>no output
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01:10<dysto>jm_, that too
01:10<faster>its fat32 btw
01:10<Infiltrator>Ew.
01:10<faster>i can turn into watever though
01:10<Infiltrator>Why did you do that?
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01:10<dysto>Infiltrator, lmao
01:10<faster>it into*
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01:10<faster>Infiltrator, cause i had the same problem with ext4
01:11<faster>and thought it might fix the problem
01:11<Guest2723>no problem in ext3?
01:11<faster>i didnt try
01:11<Infiltrator>I would really like to know your thinking behind "fat32 > ext4".
01:11<faster>idk anything about filesystem fomats.....
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01:12<jm_>faster: unless it's in fstab you use mount command like so: mount <device> <mount_point>
01:12<dysto>fat32, no files bigger than 4 gigs
01:12<Infiltrator>faster: What is it that you're trying to achieve?
01:12<Guest2723>yeah
01:12<Guest2723>thats a big problem
01:12<faster>to be able to store data in it
01:12<faster>also to be able to view/take out data from it
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01:15<faster>umm so now its not mounting...
01:16<Guest2723>format :XD
01:16<dysto>so I found this file '/etc/acpi/lid.sh' has anyone had to configure acpi stuff by hand before?
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01:19<faster>ok its ext4 now
01:20<faster>ok so i mounted it on media/usb0
01:20<faster>and im getting that error msg again
01:21<dysto>what error?
01:21<Infiltrator>dysto: That one; obviously.
01:21<dysto>oh, press the any key.
01:21<faster>The folder "Videos" cannot be copied because you do not have permissions to create it in the destination.
01:22<dysto>faster, while trying to copy things back to the drive I assume?
01:22<Infiltrator>faster: And what permissions have you set? :P
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01:22<faster>yes
01:22<faster>and as normal user
01:23<dysto>hmm
01:23<faster>i can now copy and paste as sudo
01:23<dysto>files must belong to root..
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01:24<Infiltrator>faster: Do an 'ls -l' on the files you're trying to copy, and the destination.
01:24<faster>the file was in home/fast/videos
01:24<faster>faster is my username
01:24<faster>wasnt like bin or something
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01:26<faster>http://paste.debian.net/15288/
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01:27<faster>how doi set up my passport to not be root now?
01:27<faster>seems like the last thing to do now
01:27<Infiltrator>faster: sudo chown faster:faster mypassport
01:27<Infiltrator>faster: But you should read up on chown and chmod.
01:28<faster>i will read the manual
01:28<faster>thank you
01:28<Infiltrator>faster: Also, this: http://debian-handbook.info/
01:28<faster>alright seems all good now
01:29<faster>anyway good night
01:29<faster>thanx for all the help
01:29<faster>much appreciated
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01:51<dysto>is there a big map of what files control what system settings? that would be amazing.
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01:53<jm_>it would be amazing job too :)
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01:57<bullgard4>How can I estimate what disk space will the installation of the package »mpd« take without installing it myself?
01:58<stderr>dysto: I'm not sure it would even be completely possible. For e.g. exim, you can choose to have one big config file or a bunch of smaller config files. Which option should be in the map?
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01:59<jm_>apt-cache show mpd | grep Installed-Size
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01:59<dysto>stderr, I agree. I just mean the debian default. a basic overview.
02:00<stderr>Both options are more or less default.
02:01<dysto>..for neophytes. ;p
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02:12<dysto>AH! I got it kind of. I read the acpid man and from the example was able to edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh to suspend the system with 'acpitool -s' but now it suspends when I close the lid, AND when I open it. Time to read how to do an if statement in bash. ;p
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02:16<Fhade>Hello?
02:17<stderr>Hi.
02:18<stderr>dysto: if echo foo; then echo bar; else echo baz; fi
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02:20<Fhade>Hey umm whats up?
02:20<Fhade>I need some help
02:20<stderr>!ask
02:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:21<Fhade>I just Ubuntu...but I have no clue what to do with it
02:21<Fhade>I just got the Unity thing
02:21<Fhade>that's it
02:21<Fhade>What else can I do?
02:21<jm_>!ubuntu
02:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
02:21<jm_>!ubuntuirc Fhade
02:21<dpkg>Fhade: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
02:22<Fhade>oh
02:22<Fhade>...
02:22<Fhade>srry
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02:33<dysto>now I can't remember where the lid condition file is... >_<
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02:33<XReaper>lol
02:36<bullgard4>jm_: This worked. Thank you very much for your help.
02:36<jm_>bullgard4: no worries
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03:01<[E]sc>i'm trying to download some packages from ubuntu. i'm curious if this is the correct information i found: debian wheezy = ubuntu precise?
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03:03<jm_>don't mix packages like that
03:05<apm1>[E]sc, ubutnu precise and wheezy packages are incompatible
03:05<apm1>cause ubuntu packages some extra libs in their releases
03:05<apm1>that debian doesn't have
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03:05<apm1>and we don't support anything from the ubuntu infrastructure
03:06<apm1>so this is also the wrong place to ask for an answer
03:06<[E]sc>thanks apm1 and jm_
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03:14<Stummi>[E]sc, Just curious: Which package do you want to install?
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03:19<[E]sc>Stummi, cairo-dock, the current repository in their website points to tuxfamily.org, but that website suffered a major hard drive crash and i think lost most of the files, and the glx-dock hasn't updated any info on the fixes...
03:21<Stummi>you know there is cairo-dock in debian?
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03:25<[E]sc>Stummi, yes, i downloaded, but it wasn't working, so i tried getting the latest verseion...not sure if it's because i upgraded from squeeze to wheezy that caused some slight problems? haven't got my nvidia card working properly either...
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03:26<Stummi>yeah, if it don't work just install a newer version instead of looking for the problem
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03:27<jm_>it probably needs GLX so it's no wonder it doesn't work if nvidia driver is not working
03:28<[E]sc>Stummi, i know... i'm the epitome of lazy...haha
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03:35<[E]sc>jm_ cairo-dock says when i upgrade i have an older version, but depends on a newer version...however, when i tried to upgrade via apt, it says that it's already the newest version
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03:36<jm_>!bat
03:36<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
03:36<jm_>[E]sc: ^^^
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03:42<[E]sc>jm_, please find the enclosed pastebin, thanks http://pastebin.ca/2424068
03:43<jm_>[E]sc: apt-cache policy cairo-dock-core
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03:44<Stummi>there isn't a "3.2.1-0~stable" in debian AFAICT
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03:45<jm_>yeah that's why I want to see where it's coming from
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03:47<dysto>for anyone who was paying attention or who cares, for some reason after I rebooted my lcd sleeps, and the machine suspends when I close the lid.
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03:48<dysto>I'm pretty sure the lid is because I edited /etc/acpi/lid.sh to do acpitool -s, but the screen sleeping thing, is just weird voodoo magic.
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03:49<[E]sc>jm_, Stummi -> http://pastebin.ca/2424081 thanks.
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03:50<Stummi>[E]sc, so your installed package doesn't come from debian.
03:51<Stummi>if you have problems with it you may want to ask the tuxfamily-guys
03:51<Stummi>or you install the one from debian. You can do this easily for example with aptitude
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03:53<jm_>[E]sc: uninstall that package and try again
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03:55<[E]sc>Stummi, jm_, this is where it gets strange i can't uninstall...the package doesn't exists...yet when i try to install it says dependencies not met...
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03:56<Stummi>[E]sc, downgrade it via aptitude TUI: aptitude -> / -> cairo-dock-core -> v -> choose the version from debian
03:56<dysto>bah, now it seems acpid and xscreensaver are fighting. the screen sleeps, then when xscreensaver is triggered the screen wakes up, but the screensaver doesn't even show up.
03:58<dysto>I just want to get everything configured so I can write a script to do everything when I reinstall to a ssd.
03:58<[E]sc>thanks Stummi ...i'll give that a shot...
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04:01<[E]sc>unfortunately, i ran into some errors, saying that it's trying to overwrite something... but i'm late for a meeting, and will have to pick this up after that... thanks for your help Stummi & jm_ ... hopefully you'll be on when i get back...
04:01<jm_>[E]sc: did you run apt-get update after removing it from sources.list?
04:02<albin>Hi, I'm trying to figure out why my debian (wheezy) system is so slow, especially during heavy or reasonably heavy disk operation. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to usefully profile this?
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04:03<albin>it seems to occur in intervals, so I'm guessing there's some cron job with too low niceness
04:03<albin>but I can't figure out which
04:03<Kharec>albin: you can use iotop to see the I/O
04:03<Kharec>But it's only a suggestion
04:03<albin>Kharec: Can it be made to monitor I/O over time and compile statistics?
04:04<albin>I've used it, but the snapshot-style information isn't very useful (much to my surprise)
04:04<jm_>alban: tools like atop can do that
04:04<albin>heh, never heard of it :)
04:05<albin>but it sounds like a good suggestion
04:06<jm_>or sysstat package
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04:25<notdan>Hi! Is there a way to create a really really minimal debian system in the chroot jail? I am using 'deboostrap wheezy', but I end up with a 1+gb directory
04:27<stderr>notdan: You can probably safe some by doing a quick cleanup in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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04:28<notdan>eh, it's only 300MB
04:28<notdan>But I'll do that, thanks
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04:29<notdan>oh no, wait, that's outside of the jail. inside the chroot the size of the archives directory is 70mb
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04:30<stderr>It's still 0.7%... :-/
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04:30<stderr>Or 7... D'oh!
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04:32<jm_>notdan: perhaps look at emdebian
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04:35<notdan>jm_: thanks
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04:51<Sagi>if I apt-get source gnupg2, modify some bits and dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us it builds perfectly, but if I then change more and run dpkg-buildpackage again, I get errors. Is that expected?
04:52<Sagi>after some man reading, I found dh_clean (which I ran), but that didn't solve the problem.
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04:55<jm_>did you try 'debian/rules clean'?
04:58<Stummi>Sagi, which errors? Which changes did you made?
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04:58<Stummi>also, you should change the package version after doing local changes
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05:24<Sagi>jm_: yes, I did
05:24<Sagi>it was an error complaining about a missing configure target
05:25<Sagi>I did not change the package version as it was intended as a one time local change to fix my keypair. I actually did it on a liveusb boot.
05:25<Sagi>to be precise, I added three lines to g10/getkey.c
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05:34<Sagi>if it is worthwile, I can probably replicate it and file a bug. However, at this point I have no clue what the expected workflow is.
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05:36<Sagi>I found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=262607 which seems to describe a possibly comparable case for exim4 where leaves the source tree in an inconsistent state, which made me wonder if it was expected behaviour to get the error.
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05:41<jm_>I also remember seeing similar bugs in the past
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05:53<[E]sc>jm_, yes i did...i updated the list before i tried to install
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05:57<jm_>[E]sc: well give us the outputs so we can see it all
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06:06<[E]sc>jm_, here is the pastebin. thanks http://pastebin.ca/2424367
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06:07<jm_>[E]sc: remove everything with version 3.2.1-0~stable first, aptitude remove '~V3.2.1-0~stable'
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06:23<esseks> Hi! I'm currently running fully update Debian Testing with Gnome shell: No matter what background image/colour I set, all workspaces except for the first and the windows/search/etc. view have pitch black background. Is this a common issue?
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06:24<SynrG>first of all, see #debian-next for testing/unstable support
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06:25<esseks>SynrG, reposted. Thanks
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06:27<dboehm>Hi, dear all! Any chance to have a twitter client installed on debian which handles the new twitter API ?
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06:31<dboehm>polly or birdy are recommended .. but how to install them - it failed on debian wheezy
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06:35<petn-ran1all>dboehm: How did it fail?
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06:38<dboehm>hi petn-ran1all, sorry, yes good question, first polly: bzr branch lp:polly; sudo apt-get install python-socksipy python-oauth2 python-numpy
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06:40<dboehm>cd polly; ./polly => Traceback (most recent call last):
06:40<dboehm> File "/home/dboehm/Downloads/polly/bin/polly", line 101, in <module>
06:40<dboehm> session_bus = SessionBus()
06:40<dboehm> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/dbus/_dbus.py", line 211, in __new__
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06:40<XAVeRY>how can I troubleshoot kernel panics?
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06:41<dboehm_>sorry
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06:43<petn-randall>dboehm_: Use http://paste.debian.net for that, otherwise the bot will autokick you D:
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06:44<jm_>XAVeRY: start by collecting the dump and try to find people with similar one
06:45<XAVeRY>alright.
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06:46<dboehm_>like this ? : paste.debian.net/15315
06:47<esseks>dboehm_, yes. Incidentally prepend http:// to links (like, http://paste.debian.net/15315), so that they become clickable on most IRC clients.
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06:52<dboehm_>http://paste.debian.net/15315
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07:01<dboehm_>polly issue solved: python-gdm was missing !
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07:05<dboehm_>Twitter issue with new API. Polly works rudimentally.. Any other recommendations ?
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07:31<esseks>dboehm_, Gwibber?
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07:31<esseks>I don't know how well it plays with new API, though.
07:33<dboehm_>esseks, thx, polly works better than expected !
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08:14<luca_>Hi guys! Someone knows a way to get the last Vim version on Squeeze (i am thinking about a repository, i would like to keep it updated) ?
08:15<Stummi>luca_, aptitude update?
08:15<luca_>(well... i was really direct to go the problem... anyway i am Luca, what's shaking??)
08:16<mgv>Stummi: he's on squeeze...
08:16<Stummi>oh, wait, sorry
08:16<Stummi>ECHAN
08:16<Stummi>:)
08:16<jm_>you could backport it yourself
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08:16<mgv>luca_: /msg dpkg ssb
08:17<luca_>jm_ i was looking for a quicker solution but, if i don't find anything, i am going to do that and learn something
08:18<luca_>mvg sorry i don't get the meaning... a lots of ignorance here... :S
08:18<luca_>Stummi Also, i don't get the meaning of ECHAN :D
08:19<mgv>luca_: error code
08:19<Stummi>i thought we are on #debian-next here
08:19<mgv>luca_: see man 3 errno. error codes look like ESOMETHING
08:19<mgv>ECHAN would thus be a "wrong-channel error"
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08:20<luca_>mgv ah... ok i am sorry then but thanks for the translation! Well, i tried...
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08:21<mgv>luca_: Stummi was saying that he was in the wrong channel, not that you were
08:22<luca_>mgv ah........ ok! got it finally! :)
08:22<mgv>if you ask dpkg about ssb, it will tell you how to backport a package.
08:22<mgv>!ssb luca_
08:22<mgv>hmm
08:22<mgv>!ssb
08:22<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
08:27<luca_>mm it seems quite clear... so let's try...
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08:29<luca_>(anyway... love for the dpkg bot O_o )
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08:36<luca_>can i ask help for the compilation? I got this:
08:36<luca_>dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture amd64
08:36<luca_> dpkg-source --before-build vim-7.3.923
08:36<luca_>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: liblua5.1-dev
08:36<luca_>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Build conflicts: ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev
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08:36<luca_>argh...
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08:36<mgv>!paste
08:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
08:37<luca_>it wasn't my intention to flood...
08:37<luca_>sorry dpkg bot
08:37<luca_>i have no idea about how to solve the conflinct
08:37<luca_>or how to get more details about it
08:37<luca_>any suggestion?
08:38<mgv>you could first paste those errors to http://paste.debian.net , so that we can see them
08:38<babilen>judd: v vim
08:38<judd>Package: vim on i386 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; squeeze-backports: 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; jessie: 2:7.3.923-3; sid: 2:7.3.923-3
08:38<babilen>judd: checkbackport --torelease=squeeze
08:38<judd>No package named '--torelease=squeeze' was found in sid/i386.
08:38<babilen>judd: checkbackport vim --torelease=squeeze
08:38<judd>Backporting package vim in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual.
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08:39<luca_>O_o what is this magic?
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08:39<mgv>judd is another bot which, among other things, tells you if a package is backportable to a releaase
08:39<mgv>release*
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08:39<babilen>luca_: You can grab 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1 from backports or backport 2:7.3.923-3 by following "/msg dpkg ssb" you have to install *all* build depdendencies for that to work. Please consider upgrading to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) as you are now running a slightly outdated release.
08:40<luca_>http://paste.debian.net/15325
08:40<luca_>so, i did miss some dependencies? how to know which packages i have missed?
08:41<luca_>sorry for my nebbie questions guys
08:41<luca_>i am using squeeze for work
08:41<luca_>well, to be honest it is on my desktop machines as well
08:41<stderr>dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: liblua5.1-dev
08:41<luca_>but i am on the work machine now
08:41<stderr>There's a package name right there...
08:41<luca_>ah...
08:41<luca_>it is so easy that... i cannot think about it by myself
08:41<luca_>:(
08:42<stderr>Line 36 is a bit worse as far as I can tell...
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08:42<luca_>stderr what do you mean about line 36?
08:43<luca_>"/msg dpkg ssb
08:43<luca_>ops
08:43<stderr>A build conflict regarding ruby1.8
08:43<luca_>ah... right
08:44<luca_>mm i am afraid that is blocking the compilation
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08:44<luca_>http://paste.debian.net/15328
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08:45<luca_>so, i should try the -d flag?
08:46<stderr>Which version of ruby do you have?
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08:47<luca_>http://paste.debian.net/15329
08:47<luca_>i guess 1.8
08:47<stderr>1.8.7.302-2squeeze1
08:48<stderr>What did aptitude build-dep vim say about ruby?
08:50<petn-randall>luca_: First of all, squeeze is quite old. I recommend upgrading to wheezy, and trying it again. Chances are there are no unresolved build conflicts and it will compile smoothly.
08:50<luca_>stderr i don't know, it did install many packages and then... http://paste.debian.net/15332
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08:51<stderr>luca_: Read line 2 (and 3)... And follow petn-randalls advice...
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08:52<luca_>stderr i did install that package
08:52<luca_>so now it is on the system
08:52<luca_>but i still got the conflict error
08:52<luca_>i don't know which is the way to investigate conflicts error... there is any tool to know more about that conflict message?
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08:53<stderr>aptitude why ... / aptitude why-not ...
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08:53<petn-randall>luca_: Read my post above. squeeze is ooooold.
08:53<luca_>petn-randall i will update, i agree i must do it. But my system works perfectly and i am enjoying Gnome 2, i am not in rush to do update :(
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08:55<stderr>If it runs perfectly, why are you upgrading packages? :-)
08:55<luca_>eheheh
08:55<luca_>:)
08:56<luca_>ok you got a point
08:56<luca_>uffff
08:56<petn-randall>luca_: I'm just saying, you'll probably have to backport half of wheezy to get that package to run on your system. You'll save a lot of time upgrading. And Debian will drop support for squeeze in 10 months, anyway.
08:56<luca_>damn vim....
08:56<luca_>i love it
08:56<luca_>:(
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09:01<luca_>mm i think i give up guys, i am not experienced in build packages...
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09:01<luca_>i can install the last vim by deb instead then repo and... i will upgrade soon...
09:01<luca_>anyway i think Squeeze is sexy
09:02<luca_>still my favourite stable
09:02<luca_>!
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09:04<petn-randall>luca_: You haven't tried wheezy then :)
09:05<luca_>petn-randall eheh probably i am just lazy and gnome 2 lover :P
09:06<luca_>argh... i got scrum meeting... afk for a while
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10:10<moein7tl>hi,I'm new in debian
10:11<moein7tl>I have problem with cpu temp
10:11<moein7tl>it's so high about 75 C when no process is running
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10:12<moein7tl>please help me
10:12<Stummi>moein7tl, what does top say about the cpu load?
10:12<txt-file1>moein7tl: is your computer shuttung down because the cpu is to hot?
10:13<moein7tl>Stummi: about 1% of cpu is used
10:13<moein7tl>txt-file1: yeah,some times
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10:14<Stummi>moein7tl, could it be a hardware problem?
10:14<txt-file1>then it is really a problem …
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10:21<moein7tl>Stummi: no,I don't have this problem in windows
10:21<moein7tl>Stummi,I have migrated from Ubuntu to Debian in this week,so I'm newly to it.
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10:22<Stummi>is something like fancontrol installed?
10:22<moein7tl>Stummi: yeah,i8ktools I think
10:23<Stummi>don't know this
10:23<moein7tl>Stummi: 1.0 (null) HZXQSP1 75 -1 2 -1 154440 -1 -1
10:23<moein7tl>i8kctl
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10:26<Stummi>moein7tl, maybe you misconfigured this? I can't give concrete help since i don't know i8kctl, but it seems to be responsible for the fan control
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10:26<Stummi>(however, on most laptops, 75° shouldn't be a critical temperature)
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10:27<txt-file1>moein7tl: it is also possible that windows and linux read different thermal sensors … so that linux gives you a higher temperature because the sensor is deeper in the cpu
10:28<txt-file1>but this does not answer why it shuts down sometimes
10:28<Stummi>i8kctl could control the fan based on the input from the wrong sensor or so
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10:30<SynrG>i8kutils is the name of the package.
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10:30<SynrG>a couple of observations: 1, it is maintained by the QA group. not a good sign ...
10:31<SynrG>2, BIOSes tend to do a decent job of fan control themselves. you wouldn't want OS fan control unless you were trying to *minimize* the fan spinning up to reduce noise or so
10:31<SynrG>so why not just try not using the package?
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10:32<SynrG>aand ... too late, as he's gone :p
10:32<SynrG>(someone repeat that to him in a paste if-and-when he moein7tl returns?)
10:32<SynrG>s/he //
10:33<Stummi>memosrv? ;p
10:34<Stummi>oh, oftc doesn't has one
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10:39<timbermaniac>I'm running wheezy with a xfce environment, and want to install the 'gnome' package. It wants to remove icedove and enigmail. is there any way I can do this without removing packages?
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10:41<sney>!install gnome
10:41<dpkg>To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 gnome-network-manager' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
10:42<sney>maybe one of the other metapackage options.
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10:44<txt-file1>timbermaniac: some information about why it thinks that it has to remove these would be good
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10:46<timbermaniac>first 3 options all say these packages will be removed
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10:46<timbermaniac>it looks like gnome-core will work. txt-file1: how could I get this information?
10:47<Stummi>the output of aptitude/apt-get should tell you why it wants to remove this packages
10:48<txt-file1>if it does not … use aptitude with its curses interface
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10:49<timbermaniac>with its curses interface.. not familiar with that
10:50<SynrG>is that a pure wheezy system?
10:50<SynrG>and is it up-to-date?
10:50<Stummi>timbermaniac, just paste the output of "apt-get install gnome"
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10:51<timbermaniac>Stummi: that's too much output, and really it's on a different system
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10:52<timbermaniac>The only relevant output it 'The following packages will be REMOVED: enigmail icedove'
10:52<timbermaniac>is*
10:52<Stummi>no
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10:53<Stummi>timbermaniac, "aptitude install gnome 2>&1 | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us"
10:54<Stummi>since it "eats" your stdout you have to answer the question to process blindly with 'n', however you should get an sprunge-url then which you can post here
10:55<Stummi>(or q)
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10:58<luca_>guys... i don't want to disturb but... vim 7.3 is on backports, i don't know how i missed it before; so that is to get it on Squeeze: sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install vim-nox
10:58<luca_>anyway thank you for the help
10:59<luca_>(probably i did miss it cos i usually keep the backports repo commented on my source.list and i probably did run an apt-get update and forgot about it)
10:59<luca_>( i need holidays :S:S:S )
11:00<timbermaniac>Stummi: I run that but get an empty line like it's looking for input
11:00<Stummi>timbermaniac, type q and enter
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11:00<timbermaniac>Stummi: nevermind, took a little bit: http://sprunge.us/BSGQ
11:01<Stummi>xul-ext-adblock-plus : Breaks: icedove (> 16.0~a1+) but 17.0.7-1~deb7u1 is installed.
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11:01<Stummi>*this* is the relevant part
11:02<Stummi>you should get conform with the aptitude curses UI and use this to resolve your conflicts
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11:04<timbermaniac>xul-ext-adblock-plus breaks icedove > 16.0~a1+ ? If this was the case, wouldn't it be broken now?
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11:06<Stummi>gnome wants to install xul-ext-adblock-plus through its dependency tree, but the version of adblock it wants to install conflicts with your icedove version. Aptitude wants to resolve the conflict by removing icedove
11:07<musca>v icedove --release=wheezy-security
11:07<musca>,v icedove --release=wheezy-security
11:07<judd>Package: icedove on i386 -- wheezy-security: 17.0.7-1~deb7u1
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11:08<Stummi>timbermaniac, you should do an update of your system to have it consistent with the repository before doing such a huge change
11:08<timbermaniac>the only thing I can think which happened was installing adblock via their website instead of the repository
11:09<timbermaniac>didn't think that would register with apt that it was installed
11:09<Stummi>no, it doesnt
11:10<Stummi>timbermaniac, is your system up to date?
11:10<timbermaniac>yes, just checked
11:10<Stummi>ho did you checked?
11:10<timbermaniac>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
11:11<znalo>yeah there's a problem with the gnome metapackage right now.
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11:11<znalo>since a recent icedove security update breaks the adblock plugin
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11:12<timbermaniac>I see..
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11:13<znalo>the gnome-core metapackage is installable i think
11:13<timbermaniac>if I were to copy my home directory and overwrite a new install with gnome instead of xfce, I shouldn't encounter any problems right?
11:13<timbermaniac>as far as keeping icedove preferences and such
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11:14<znalo>i'd suggest not trying to install the 'gnome' *pagkage* per se
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11:14<timbermaniac>gnome-core will work, guess that should be good enough. I'm not an expert at knowing which packages are which..
11:15<znalo>install gnome-core and then grab the main applications that are dependecies of 'gnome'
11:15<znalo>by hand, so to speak... that might be a satisfactory option
11:16<timbermaniac>znalo: do you know if the gnome-core would include what's required to choose it as the desktop environment before log on?
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11:17<znalo>hmm well that would be something you can select at login if you install gdm3
11:18<timbermaniac>looks like it installs gdm3, it just asked to use gdm3 or lightdm as default
11:19<timbermaniac>shoot, now how can I remove xfce components without removing the great applications it's packaged with?
11:19<znalo>ah ok - yes for choosing the display manager
11:19<znalo>i don't think it is necessary to remove xfce components
11:19<znalo>unless you specifically want to
11:20<timbermaniac>I suppose it doesn't matter considering the disk space it uses
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11:21<timbermaniac>I got used to the latest version of xfce via the ubuntu PPA (4.12) and 4.8 that ships with wheezy just doesn't cut it for me
11:21<timbermaniac>and I believe testing only has 4.10
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11:21<znalo>are you running testing now? or stable?
11:22<timbermaniac>stable
11:23<znalo>this page (down towards the bottom) has the things 'gnome' normally pulls in
11:23<znalo>http://packages.debian.org/stable/gnome
11:23<znalo>one of them is the troublesome adblock-plus extension... the other may be useful to you in addition to gnome-core
11:24<znalo>(others)
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11:24<timbermaniac>looks like gnome-core is fine.. not looking for its bundled applications
11:24<znalo>yeah the gnome experience should work but it mgiht be a little bit ... sparse
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11:25<timbermaniac>does everything in gnome 3 look "big" to you? like title bars, font size, etc?
11:25<znalo>i can't remember - after a while with gnome 3 it all seems normal to me :-)
11:25<timbermaniac>haha
11:26<znalo>it depends on the size of the screen though - i have a netbook sometimes, and a retty substantial desktop at other times
11:26<timbermaniac>it's just, the system bar at the top, the iceweasel title bar, the tab bar, the address bar, then bookmarks bar.. man it's like we lost so much viewing real estate
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11:26<znalo>yeah
11:27<znalo>and the modern obsession with 'wide screen' on the hardware side just makes it worse
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11:27<timbermaniac>well it wasn't so bad when the pixel count for these bars was lower
11:27<timbermaniac>(more like, "just used to it")
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11:28<znalo>mmyeah
11:28<znalo>owell, bedtime, seeya
11:28<timbermaniac>thanks for the help :)
11:28<znalo>np
11:28<timbermaniac>and Stummi
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11:32<SynrG>timbermaniac: not gnome3's fault, really. that's adwaita.
11:33<SynrG>you don't *have* to use the default theme
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11:33<SynrG>on my netbook i selected something slimmer
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11:34<bertus>Hello, I don't know why but before I could listen the music in the front panel with headphones but now It doesn't work. Can anybody help me?. I have pulseaudio. Thank you
11:35<timbermaniac>SynrG: How do you switch themes?
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11:35<SynrG>gnome-tweak-tool
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11:35<SynrG>seems right now my gtk+ theme is grebird
11:35<SynrG>greybird*
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11:36<oddity>good evening there
11:36<oddity>somobody care to answer a (maybe somewhat silly) question regarding non-free debian packages?
11:36<timbermaniac>SynrG: cool, didn't know what was for gnome3 as well
11:36<oddity>… why aren't they included on the cd/DVD/BD media?
11:37<timbermaniac>oddity: (my guess) is because Debian likes to be GNU/Linux free as in freedom
11:37<timbermaniac>distributing non-free packages is against that goal
11:37<sney>that's essentially it.
11:37<oddity>timbermaniac: but you can d/l them from te repos, just add non-free to the sources list string
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11:38<sney>there are some "unofficial" isos that contain certain non-free packages, mostly firmware
11:38<timbermaniac>RMS doesn't consider it "free" just because it allows users to use non-free software so easily by having non-free as an optional repo
11:38<timbermaniac>right
11:38<sney>RMS is a madman. but debian has a policy document about software freedom and they follow it very closely
11:38<oddity>sney: with debian 3.x and 4.x there were "non-free" add-on cds, where are they today?
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11:39<sney>phased out, I suppose. I wasn't very involved in those days. SynrG probably knows.
11:39<timbermaniac>RMS is a role model of mine, but his viewpoint is a little excessive for me. Debian's way (imo) is the way to go
11:39<SynrG>no, i don't.
11:39<SynrG>first i heard of them
11:39<oddity>RMS is a bit headstrong, even if right in most things.
11:39<mgv>oddity: there are still some unofficial netinsts with non-free firmware, /msg dpkg firmware images if interested
11:39<sney>oh wait, was it non-free addon cds or were they the non-US packages?
11:39<bertus>hello??
11:40<oddity>mgv: i just d/l'ed the DLBDs to be *independant* from online servers, but I dislike that things are missing which are only available in the online repositories. That sucks.
11:40<sney>bertus: sorry, didn't see your question there. does your sound output work from the back panel?
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11:41<oddity>sney: non-free
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11:41<SynrG>bertus: insufficient technical details provided ... "before" what? upgrade from squeeze->wheezy?
11:41<oddity>sney: packages and optical images
11:41<SynrG>bertus: something else?
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11:41<SynrG>bertus: something changed. we're very bad at guessing. you'll need to fill us in.
11:42<mgv>oddity: you can still make your own mirrors of non-free with <apt-mirror>, but there are no isos with them
11:42<timbermaniac>SynrG: Where'd you find your additional themes to add to gnome-tweak-tool?
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11:42<sney>oddity: don't know then. though my guess with no information is to say that they, too, were unofficial but possibly still hosted at debian.org like the firmware installer
11:42<mgv>no isos with the non-free packages*
11:43<oddity>mgv: yep, that's a possibility… argh, debian iso creators get lazy nowadays, I have all the work from it :-)
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11:43<oddity>sney: I zapped all over cdarchive and ftp hosts, nope, not anymore
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11:44<sney>oddity: I mean when you say they were available, that's what the deal was.
11:44<timbermaniac>even changing the font size with gnome-tweak-tool these menu bars are still enormous
11:44<SynrG>timbermaniac: the innertubes
11:44<SynrG>i dunno. gnome-look or so?
11:44<timbermaniac>SynrG: can you be more specific, like aol keyword?
11:44<SynrG>so long ago, i forget.
11:44<oddity>sney: they weren't with 5.x, 6.x and 7.xm only with older releases
11:44<SynrG>beats me. like i said, did this a long time ago
11:45<sney>oddity: no kidding. why are you still highlighting me about this?
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11:45<SynrG>timbermaniac: try http://gnome-look.org/
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11:46<oddity>sney: oh, your last comment was a "shut up" then? sorry for bothering you *so* long.
11:46<bertus>i had a error with skype and the debian lock and i had to restart later and now it's impossible listen the music in my headphones (front panel)
11:46<timbermaniac>SynrG: thanks
11:46<sney>I don't have any information and I told you that already. you can keep asking but I'll just keep giving you variations on "dunno"
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11:47<SynrG>bertus: "an error"? (specific error message?) "debian lock"? (sorry, don't know what this is) "restart"? (logout and login? or reboot?)
11:47<oddity>sney: Okay. I was just under the impression we have had a misunderstanding concerning the availability from current releases. Won't bother you anymore :-)
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11:48<SynrG>if there is such an image, i never heard of it, and i'm an old-timer. so far as i can remember, the only thing *debian* provides is the apt archives.
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11:49<oddity>synrg: "image" regarding which topic?
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11:50<SynrG>ISOs of non-free. have we switched topics?
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11:50<SynrG>i may have dozed off
11:50<SynrG>was certainly only "half" listening :)
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11:51<oddity>oops. No, haven't. But I think the non-free topic is done… i'll resort to apt-mirror.
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11:52<SynrG>bertus: also, you know we don't support skype. if skype explodes or lights the cat on fire, there's not much we can do ... in the absence of skype running, does your sound work ok?
11:53<bertus>not appear any error message only i could restart the computer with the button the mouse and keyboard not working
11:54<bertus>the sound without skype neither work
11:54<oddity>bertus: sound mixer checked?
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11:55<bertus>oddity all up
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11:56<oddity>bertus: do you use alsa and pulseaudio and esound?
11:56<oddity>bertus: had trouble with that myself, threw pulseaudio out, everything worked
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11:57<SynrG>did you cold boot? that is, fully power down the system and power it up after? or just reboot?
11:57<bertus>oddity esound? i don't think i am new in debian
11:57<esseks>How do I change message displayed on boot when asking for LUKS passphrase? That long UUID sequence is a bit annoying to see
11:58<esseks>I'd like to display something like "Insert password to unlock HD" or the like
11:58<timbermaniac>insert password to view in high definition
11:58<oddity>bertus: didn't think so, it just popped my mind that some apps tend to shred with pulseaudio on my system
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11:59<esseks>timbermaniac, haha. Unfortunately that didn't solve my issue :P
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12:00<SynrG>bertus: and "without skype" what i mean is: make sure skype doesn't automatically start when you login.
12:01<SynrG>bertus: then verify if sound is ok. also, might be useful to see the output of "amixer -c 0" at paste.debian.net
12:01<bertus>oddity is there any place where I can put to work the front panel? a type property to say that the sound comes out of the front panel
12:01<timbermaniac>esseks: was just picking on you saying "HD"
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12:02<esseks>timbermaniac, ;)
12:02<SynrG>bertus: and the output of "aplay -l"
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12:03<oddity>bertus: depends where you connected it, most mixers offer "front panel xxx" or something when it is detected, with others just play some mp3 and slide the sliders and toggle the toggles until you hear something
12:03<bertus>SynrG http://paste.debian.net/15367/ amixer -c
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12:04<bertus>SynrG http://paste.debian.net/15368/ aplay -l
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12:05<oddity>bertus: might be that it is a digital/analogue toggle that was affected
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12:07<bertus>oddity what can i do?
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12:07<SynrG>interesting:
12:07<SynrG>xcb_connection_has_error() returned true
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12:08<oddity>bertus: you can also try this: shut down your machine, turn it off and wait 10 seconds, turn it on, don't login but login as root on a console and say "shutdown -rF now", let it reboot, and try if it works then. Sometimes, stale locks prevent some audio cards from working.
12:10<SynrG>the error message may be related to your problem. gives you something to search for.
12:10<SynrG>i'm out of time to help.
12:10<oddity>bertus: when rebooting, check in the bios if everything is enabled/disabled as it ought to be
12:10<SynrG>later
12:10<oddity>bye synrg
12:10<SynrG>(probably pulse related though, not bios, etc.)
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12:11<oddity>:-)
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12:12<bertus>thank you i don't know what can i do :(
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12:16<esseks>Probably, changing cryptroot script from initrarmfs should do it, but I feel there's a clean way to do it
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12:17<oddity>esseka: isn't there some config file where you can do something like "defaultmsg='enter HD passcode'"?
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12:17<__davide___>hi, i have a netbook with an intel gma3600 video card. there is a solution for debian wheezy to play hd video?
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12:19<esseks>oddity, none I'm aware of...
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12:19<esseks>__davide___, what's the problem with HD?
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12:20<oddity>esseka: I believe I read it in some cryptmount docu… and then update-initrd et voilà
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12:20<esseks>It's a video format, nothing more. If you can play a low quality video, then you should be able to play HD too. Maybe it will lag, but that's because of the video card not being powerful enough (although I doubt)
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12:21<__davide___>yes the problem is a low and slow quality of reproduction
12:22<esseks>__davide___, try enabling video acceleration in VLC and installing XVba for your video card
12:23<esseks>(speaking about VLC, don't know if other video players can take advantage of video acceleration)
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12:23<oddity>davide: all X and GL modules for your gpu installed?
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12:23<oddity>mplayer and xine can
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12:24<esseks>oddity, if you could remember where you saw that config option I'd be much grateful... I've being grepping & finding for a couple hours....
12:24<oddity>esseka: give me a moment, i'll give it a try… brb
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12:25<esseks>oddity, ok
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12:27<__davide___>the problem is that debian recognize only a 800*600 screen resolution
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12:28<__davide___>that is wrong, normally is 1024*700
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12:29<esseks>__davide___, Testing or Wheezy or else?
12:29<esseks>__davide___, I've being running Debian out of the box on Intel GPUs for some time, that's a strange issue!
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12:32<__davide___>wheezy
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12:34<Walex2>__davide___: sometimes you need to use 'xrandr' to get the other resolutions.
12:34<Walex2>__davide___: sometimes you can create a suitable 'xorg.conf'
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12:34<Walex2>__davide___: these can be DDI problems with a specific monitor BTW
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12:36<oddity>esseka: hmm… haven't found it yet, but maybe upgrading to cryptsetup 1.6.0 helps, there are some things different/better/easier
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12:38<musca>!gma500
12:38<dpkg>Poulsbo is the codename of Intel's first System Controller Hub, found in several <netbooks>. Its GMA 500 graphics core is not supported by the intel Xorg driver (ITP xserver-xorg-video-psb, bug #533450). A 2D <KMS> framebuffer driver (gma500_gfx, formerly psb_gfx) was introduced at Linux 2.6.39. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Controller_Hub#GMA_500_Linux_support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#PowerVR_based_chips_on_Linux
12:38<musca>__davide___: ^
12:39<oddity>davide: put 'Option "IgnoreEDID" "true"' in your xorg.conf, maybe that helps to "open" blocked resolutions
12:39<oddity>davide: Monitor section
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12:41<__davide___>in these moment i'm not connected from my netbook
12:41<__davide___>i'll back later
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12:41<Walex2>__davide___: BTW looking at your original query, most netbooks don't have an HD panel
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12:53<jastrup>Hi there, I'm Trying to use sshfs and curlftpfs on Debian 7, but when i try to mount i get /dev/fuse: Operation not Permitted. I have bot tried as root, and I've tried to add my user to the "fuse" Group with no luck, any ideas?
12:54-!-cati [~katy@214.Red-79-153-204.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
12:54<cati>hola? hello
12:54<cati>??
12:54<jastrup>Hello
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12:55<cati>how are you?
12:55<oddity>jastrup: not all required groups, i guess
12:55<cati>mmm
12:55<oddity>hola cati
12:55<jastrup>Well, as root there should be no limits, am I right?
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12:55<cati>what work
12:55<cati>jastrup
12:56<cati>you speak spanish
12:56<jastrup>No, sorry
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12:56<cati>you help study englisj
12:57<cati>plis
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12:57<cati>I not compresion englihk
12:57<oddity>jastrup: check your fuse setup -- file perms, etc
12:57<esseks>cati, try on #debian-es
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12:57<jastrup>oddity: All right
12:58<cati>have facebook
12:58<cati>??
12:58<cati>or tuenti?
12:58<cati>or twitter
12:58<cati>.....
12:59<cati>eskype
12:59<SynrG>!ops cati not taking a hint
12:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: cati not taking a hint
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12:59<cati>am
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13:00<jastrup>well, the only thing /etc/fuse.conf contains is mount_max and user_allow_other, nothing else
13:00<oddity>esseka: sorry, cannot help you , maybe I confused two different crypt things
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13:00<esseks>oddity, seems like it's hardcoded...
13:00<oddity>cati: go -> #debian-es
13:01<SynrG>!es-social
13:01<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
13:01<SynrG>(probably *not* welcome on #debian-es either)
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13:02<oddity>esseka: then you should fire up your compiler and get the sources ;-)
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13:03<oddity>dpkg: wow, thanks for that explanation to him/her
13:03<dpkg>oddity: I don't know, could you explain it?
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13:04<oddity>dpkg: ah, sorry? you lost me there, what do you mean?
13:04<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, oddity
13:04<retrospectacus>dpkg: bot
13:04<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
13:04<oddity><does not compute>
13:04<oddity><reboot>
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13:05<oddity>:-)
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13:07<oddity>need to attend to some real life, bye all (and thanks)
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14:37<infrid>hi
14:38<bullgard4>Using autoipd, Is it possible to connect my NAS device directly with my Debian wheezy laptop
14:38<bullgard4>?
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15:06<Yoel>hy
15:06<Yoel>there is anyone¿
15:06<blast007>Yoel: do you have a Debian support question?
15:06<Yoel>yes
15:06<bullgard4>Yoel: Do you have a DEbian question?
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15:07<Yoel>when I run "apt-get update" (with root user) the console return with error in all sources
15:07<Yoel>W: Imposible obtener http://ftp.stw-bonn.de/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg No se pudo resolver «ftp.stw-bonn.de»
15:07<Yoel>W: Imposible obtener http://softlibre.unizar.es/ubuntu/archive/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg No se pudo resolver «softlibre.unizar.es»
15:07<Yoel>W: Imposible obtener http://apt.insynchq.com/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg No se pudo resolver «apt.insynchq.com»
15:07<Yoel>W: Imposible obtener http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg No se pudo resolver «mirrors.kernel.org»
15:07-!-Yoel was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood]
15:07<blast007>sigh.
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15:08<blast007>Yoel: post the output to http://paste.debian.net/ and then give us the link
15:08<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Yoel about localized errors
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15:09<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Yoel about sources.list
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15:09<Yoel>http://paste.debian.net/15404/
15:09<Yoel>there is
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15:09<retrospectacus>Yoel: clearly your PC cannot resolve those names, is the error you're experiencing...
15:09<retrospectacus>Yoel: why do you even have such strange sources?
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15:10<Yoel>germany source
15:10<Yoel>wai
15:10<Yoel>*wait
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15:11<retrospectacus>Yoel: no. Use full sentences, don't say pointless things like "wait"... and *read* carefully what people say and what the robot told you
15:11<bullgard4>Yoel: You are trying Ubuntu sources for a Debian system?
15:11<Yoel>okay, sorry
15:12<Yoel>in which folder was sources.list?
15:13<Yoel>oh
15:13<Yoel>bullgard4
15:13<Yoel>i saw it, yes, i think that's the problems
15:13<bullgard4>Yes.
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15:13<Yoel>where I can get a debian source list?
15:13<retrospectacus>Yoel: the robot told you where that file is, and what should be in it.
15:14<retrospectacus>check your IRC client for a private message from dpkg
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15:15<stderr_dk>"Wheezy" isn't an Ubuntu release as far as I know... That line doesn't make any sense...
15:15<retrospectacus>Yoel: he also told you how to run commands so the output is in English - the language of this channel.
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15:20<retrospectacus>Yoel: FYI your incredibly bad sources.list is not actually related to your DNS problem but we'll get to that if you can keep on target
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15:21<Yoel>well
15:21<Yoel>eeeh
15:21<Yoel>http://paste.debian.net/15406/
15:22<Yoel>i did a new sources.list
15:22<Yoel>but the problems seems not to be solved
15:22<retrospectacus>Yoel: I just told you about that - *read*, remember?
15:23<retrospectacus>Yoel: and you still have PPA sources, they can be found in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and should be removed
15:23<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Yoel about ppa
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15:24<retrospectacus>Yoel: also please make your pastes in English; the robot told you how.
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15:24<Yoel>ok
15:25<Yoel>should I delete the file located in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
15:25<retrospectacus>yes, probably. If they have PPA sources in them.
15:26<retrospectacus>anyways your *actual* problem is that your PC cannot do DNS lookups. Is it online?
15:26<Yoel>yes. A ping to google runs, and I'm connecte to it with shh
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15:27<Yoel>I'm cheking the wifi-bridge and I return
15:27<Yoel>I't could be that
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15:28<stderr_dk>Yoel: Can you do a traceroute to security.debian.org?
15:28<vit>hola amigos buenas tardes!!!
15:28<retrospectacus>!es
15:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:29<Yoel>finish
15:29<Yoel>"Cannot handle "host" cmdline arg `security.debian.org' on position 1 (argc 1)"
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15:30<Yoel>I get the IP number
15:30<Yoel>running a new traceroute
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15:30<retrospectacus>Yoel: http://paste.debian.net/
15:31<vit>oK disculpe y gracias por
15:31<stderr_dk>How did you get the IP? From the same box or the other one?
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15:32<Yoel>Well, I'm in windows and connected to the server by SSH. With cmd.exe I run "security.debian.org".
15:32<Yoel>On the server is running debian
15:32<stderr_dk>We want DNS to be working on the Debian-box, not just the Windows box.
15:33<Yoel>the cmd.exe returned with 128.31.0.36 . And I runned on the server "traceroute 128.31.0.36", and that what's running now.
15:34<stderr_dk>Let me guess, lots of * * *'s ?
15:34<Yoel>yes -.-
15:34<Yoel>ok
15:34<stderr_dk>You're bridge doesn't work...
15:34<stderr_dk>Your. (Argh!)
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15:35<Yoel>I'm checking the bridge, I guess what you meaning
15:35<Yoel>yes hahahaha
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15:38<stderr_dk>Yoel: I just notices the time. I need to go to the store before they close, so I can't help for the next half hour...
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15:39<Yoel>okay, thanks for all. I'll out for the next hour, having dinner and checking the bridge
15:39<Yoel>thanks for all!!
15:39<vit>hi
15:39<retrospectacus>vit: hello
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15:40<vit>i've problems whit the installation of my hp printer
15:41<retrospectacus>vit: what version of debian? what model of printer? what did you try? and what happened?
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15:43<vit>i use debian squeeze 6.0.3 am my printr is an hp deskjet 3050 and
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15:44<vit>when I connect the printer I can print but the scanner does not work, nor detected
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15:47<vit>retrospectacus???
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15:47<retrospectacus>vit: sorry, I don't know anything about scanners; I just help people ask good questions. But this might help:
15:47<retrospectacus>!sane
15:47<dpkg>Scanner Access Now Easy (SANE) is an <API> for raster image <scanner> hardware. Packaged for Debian as sane, xsane (GUI frontends) and sane-utils (CLI frontend, saned server). Supported device list: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html . FAQ: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljm/SANE-faq.html . To use over a network, see http://wiki.debian.org/SaneOverNetwork . http://www.sane-project.org/ #sane at irc.freenode.net.
15:49<musca>hplip for hp!
15:50<musca>!hplip
15:50<dpkg>HPLIP is a vendor developed solution for printing, scanning, and faxing with HP inkjet and laser based printers in Linux. A list of supported devices can be found at http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html See also <hpijs>.
15:50<vit>retrospectacus: ok, I installed and tell you how it went!
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15:51<retrospectacus>vit: listen to musca, not me! sounds like he knows what to try
15:52<vit>retrospectacus: ok!!! I do!!
15:53<musca>last time somebody has given positive feedback for scanning with hplip.
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16:11<newb>Hello! I want build an email marketing serverm and need some help about server, spam criteria and related information. Somebody here can help me or can direct me to some place where I can find this kind of information?
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16:12<Maulkin>newb: Is this based on Debian?
16:12<newb>Maulkin: I want it :D
16:12<retrospectacus>tell me your server IP so I can block it
16:13<Maulkin>newb: http://www.debian.org/consultants
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16:16<newb>retrospectacus: lol xD But it's something like Amazon.com newsletter users. They have the registers, and they can use this system to manage their users. The idea is provide the tool, but I want block harmful users and bad use of the system. For example, I need the users use only his own user lists.... But I need understood what is spam first...
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16:18<newb>Maulkin: thank you
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17:03<Yoel_>anyone¿
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17:04<Maulkin>!ask
17:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:08<chrishell>what happens with debian CUT? http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/
17:08<chrishell>any news? can I help?
17:08<Yoel_>hy chris
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17:09<chrishell>Yoel_: hej yoel :)
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17:21<Airwave>Hmm. One of the HDDs in my raid failed, and I'm not quite sure which one it is physically. Any bright ideas on how to find it?
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17:40<vvas>hi, i did a massive upgrade on my unstable-based system (last time was before the release) and now skype either makes no sound or just makes a constant noise. anyone else come across this problem?
17:41<retrospectacus>!debian-next
17:41<dpkg>#debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net).
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17:45<vvas>i see
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17:47<ultra20>salut
17:47<retrospectacus>!fr
17:47<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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18:08<eksip>hi
18:09<eksip>what are you doing
18:09<eksip>?
18:09<eksip>someone here
18:09<retrospectacus>!chat
18:09<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
18:09<eksip>wow wow wow, ok
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18:10<eksip>i have ubuntu perhaps
18:10<eksip>:)
18:10<Maulkin>!ubuntu-irc
18:10<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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18:11<eksip>Maulkin thanks, where i should put this command ! ubuntu-irc
18:12<eksip>
18:12<eksip>!ubuntu-irc
18:12<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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18:12<eksip>ok dude, it looks like this is very serious chat
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18:13<Maulkin>It's not a chat channel, it's a support channel
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18:13<Maulkin>For chatting , try #moocows
18:14<eksip>someone has problem whith debian, tell it here, and others guys try to solve it right? Or it something more serious?
18:14<eksip>sory sory
18:14<eksip>i will leave now
18:14<eksip>just figure out how to go to ubuntu
18:14<eksip>and
18:14<retrospectacus>eksip: not the reading type eh?
18:15<retrospectacus>eksip: the robot told you (twice) how to get to the ubuntu channel
18:15<eksip>thanks but ... but i just enter to chat after 7 days... I was chat user before facebook ara
18:16<eksip>7 years
18:16<eksip>sory
18:16<eksip>at those old time i had even windows on my computer
18:16<retrospectacus>so... you forgot how to read?
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18:17<nadir>by facebook?
18:17<eksip>before facebook
18:17<infinity0>how do i setup /etc/crypttab to open a cryptdisk with a detached LUKS header
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18:21<eksip>ok
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18:21<eksip>realy guys why are using debian?
18:21<retrospectacus>!why debian
18:21<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
18:21<eksip>stupid question of ubuntu user
18:21<eksip>! why debian
18:21<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
18:22<eksip>cool
18:22<eksip>! why ubuntu
18:22<eksip>:)
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18:22<eksip>but ubuntu is not more advanced linux os
18:22<eksip>?
18:23<retrospectacus>eksip: unless you have a debian support question, please be quiet! If you want to discuss ubuntu go to #moocows. I hope to see you there!
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18:26<eksip>ok sorry sorry, i am just new here
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18:52<Ignacio>hi
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18:52<retrospectacus>Ignacio: hello
18:52<Ignacio>Hello retrospectacus :)
18:53<retrospectacus>Ignacio: do you have a debian support question?
18:53-!-eksip [~eksip@178-15-13.dynamic.cyta.gr] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:53<Ignacio>Yes
18:53<Ignacio>I wanna upgrade to wheezy
18:53<Ignacio>What are the sources I should use?
18:53<Maulkin> /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
18:53<Ignacio>I just installed squeeze
18:53<retrospectacus>Ignacio: why not just installed wheezy?
18:54<Ignacio>Because I only had the installation disk for Squeeze
18:54<Ignacio>I will burn wheezy later
18:55<retrospectacus>well, you may upgrade by following the directions Maulkin told you about
18:55<Ignacio>So, I should only change wheezy instead of squeeze over here? -> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main
18:56<retrospectacus>that's about it.
18:56<stderr_dk>And security too...
18:56<Ignacio>Okay, thank you guys very much!
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18:57<Ignacio>Should I keep those? # squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
18:58<Ignacio>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main
18:58<retrospectacus>... did you type the /msg command Maulkin gave you? The robot tells you all about it
18:59<Ignacio>Yeah, but nothing about the volatile repos
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19:02<retrospectacus>ok well I think wheezy-updates is valid
19:03<Ignacio>Yes, running already
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19:06<WUKONS>hi
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19:07<WUKONS>damn, have to install a site on server but i just got axx and have no idea what os it have.. how to check via ssh?
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19:08<stderr_dk>uname?
19:08<Maulkin>WUKONS: Are you logged in via ssh?
19:08<WUKONS>yea
19:08<Maulkin>cat /etc/debian_version
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19:09<WUKONS>ok thanks
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19:13<stderr_dk>WUKONS: Are you sure it's running Debian? /etc/debian_version on Ubuntu will lie to you...
19:14<retrospectacus>"apt-cache policy" will give a good idea, unless it's redhat or so
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19:15<stderr_dk>uname -v often gives a good hint too.
19:16<retrospectacus>that gives me "#1 SMP Sun May 6 05:21:56 UTC 2012"
19:16<WUKONS>^ exactly
19:16<stderr_dk>Hmm, mine says "#1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2+deb7u2"
19:17<WUKONS>lol
19:17<stderr_dk>retrospectacus: squeeze?
19:18<retrospectacus>yeah
19:18<retrospectacus>anyways, "apt-cache policy" will tell you the packages sources which approximately equals the distro
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19:19<stderr_dk>retrospectacus: FYI: A 4 month newer kernel is available... "#1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012" :-)
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19:20<retrospectacus>mine ain't broke, and that's a server that doesn't want downtime... maybe later :)
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19:33<wheezyuser>just saw an alarming warning when I did "aptitude upgrade" on an older system : ldconfig: /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.17-gdb.py is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
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19:34<wheezyuser>not sure what to make of that ... is this a "oh no .. my system won't" boot issue ?
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19:35<SamB>wheezyuser: it is not
19:35<stderr_dk>The name suggests it's a python script.
19:35<retrospectacus>need more context
19:35<SamB>it is a python script
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19:35<wheezyuser>yes ... hopefully it isn't in any way related to system operations
19:35<wheezyuser>I should perhaps read /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
19:35<SamB>well it's not supposed to be ELF
19:35<retrospectacus>question is, why does ldconfig care? Ignore it, or pastebin the whole thing
19:35<wheezyuser>okay
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19:36<stderr_dk>!paste
19:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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19:38<wheezyuser>thus : http://paste.debian.net/15444/
19:39<SamB>retrospectacus: I believe the answer is that ldconfig wasn't expecting to see gdb scripts
19:39<SamB>though actually what is that doing in /usr/local/lib
19:40<wheezyuser>this is just an itty bitty tiny little Intel Atom based thing in my server room .. but I love it because even when the power fails it keeps running on battery for ten hours
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19:40<wheezyuser>in /usr/local/lib ?
19:40<wheezyuser>er .. good question !
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19:41<wheezyuser>better yet .. why would aptitude upgrade EVER look into my /usr/local area ?
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19:41<SamB>ldconfig looks along the whole library path
19:41<retrospectacus>apt-file gave me: libstdc++6-4.7-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.17-gdb.py
19:41<SamB>at least, the default one
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19:42<wheezyuser>yes but /usr/local/lib is things I built and not provided by any OS or package providor
19:42<stderr_dk>You still want to use those libraries, right?
19:43<stderr_dk>If so, ld needs to know about them and that's why ldconfig looks in that directory.
19:43<wheezyuser>hold on a sec folks .. I see what is going on ... I have built a version of GCC in /usr/local and I expect that is the issue
19:44<wheezyuser>those libs are isolated and no business of the OS really .. as I expect that the ELF headers have correct RPATH in them to keep it that way
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19:44<SamB>wheezyuser: why would they have RPATH?
19:44<wheezyuser>actually ldconfig should mind its own business and not look ther
19:44<SamB>looking there IS part of ldconfig's business
19:44<stderr_dk>Then you should fix your /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf
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19:44<wheezyuser>SamB, because that is how one located the correct libs for a given binary
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19:45<wheezyuser>stderr, well ... you know .. I never change that .. mine still says : -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44 Jan 23 2011 /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf
19:46<SamB>oh noes
19:46<wheezyuser>so really ... the dynamic linker shouldn't be looking in /usr/local/lib at all ..
19:46<terrible96>how i can add a user in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow so i can login again??the user is already in /home but i cant login with it????
19:46<stderr_dk>Try cat'ing the file...
19:46<wheezyuser>stderr, one sec ...
19:46<retrospectacus>terrible96: useradd
19:46<SamB>I have /usr/local/lib in my ld.so.conf TWICE (counting included files)
19:46<wheezyuser>terrible96, can you boot the thing in single user mode and use useradd ?
19:46<wheezyuser>SamB, yeah .. that seems wrong to me
19:47<wheezyuser>chances are that I have stuff in my /usr/local/lib that are of no use to the OS
19:47<terrible96>i have to run just useradd name of the user???
19:47<retrospectacus>terrible96: man useradd
19:47<SamB>wheezyuser: I'm pretty sure stuff in /usr/local doesn't normally use RPATH
19:47<wheezyuser>also .. really to be SVR4 or POSIX safe I should have things in /opt/somename/lib and /etc/opt/somename etc etc
19:48<wheezyuser>SamB, no ... RPATH is built in with the compiler and linker stages to ensure, in fact, enforce that the run time linker look in RPATH first
19:48<terrible96>retrospectacus, have to be in single user mode??
19:48<wheezyuser>SamB, I don't want libs from the system when I may have my own libs
19:48<retrospectacus>terrible96: you may also try using "adduser". no you do not.
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19:49<SamB>wheezyuser: have you CHECKED the binaries in /usr/local to see if they actually DO use RUNPATH or RPATH?
19:49<stderr_dk>wheezyuser: Then fix the config...
19:49<wheezyuser>SamB, oh yes they do Sir .. I ensure and enforce that
19:49<SamB>so you delete anything without it then?
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19:49<wheezyuser>SamB, see http://paste.debian.net/15445/
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19:50<retrospectacus>terrible96: "adduser" basically runs "useradd" with a bunch of appropriate arguments. You should read the manual for both.
19:50<terrible96>retrospectacus, the user was create it long time ago but i reinstall and now i cant login with the user
19:50<dbcooper>Set up Debian via net-install and it doesn't seem to recognize my graphics card. It's using the default VESA video drivers and it's stuck in low resolution. Help?
19:50<SamB>wheezyuser: I'm really not sure it's a good idea to install your own sed
19:50<wheezyuser>SamB, why not .. open source is good
19:50<retrospectacus>dbcooper: what graphics card is it
19:51<dbcooper>it's an SiS integrated card
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19:51<wheezyuser>SamB, and if I can get the sources .. and I do ... I can compile and build my own seg, gas, gcc all and tested etc etc
19:51<SamB>wheezyuser: what if a package is trying to use a new feature later and your sed shadows the Debian-provided one?
19:51<user01>i keep an audio message when i log on about speech dispatcher but i cant understand what the voice is saying
19:51<wheezyuser>SamB, I have been doing software package work for about 18 years .. this is just what I do
19:52<user01>s/keep/keep getting
19:52<wheezyuser>SamB, the system has no business looking in /usr/local
19:52<user01>something about /var/log/speechdispatchet
19:52<user01>r
19:52<stderr_dk>wheezyuser: THEN CHANGE YOUR CONFIG!
19:52<terrible96>retrospectacus, the user was create it long time ago but i reinstall and now i cant login with the user
19:52<SamB>wheezyuser: what is your PATH?
19:52<dbcooper>not sure what exact model number but I know it needs the SiS driver (which is installed, I just need a way to switch to it. For some reason, "dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesn't work anymore and editing my xorg.conf did nothing
19:52<wheezyuser>SamB, however .. strictly speaking .. is it bad karma and bad policy for the OS to add /usr/local/bin by default to peoples PATH
19:53<retrospectacus>terrible96: yes, you said that.
19:53<wheezyuser>stderr, change my config why ? I did not write the ld config .. the Debian package people did .. isn't my business to change the OS
19:53<terrible96>retrospectacus, with adduser i can fix that??
19:53<wheezyuser>SamB, my PATH is /usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/opt/schily/bin
19:53<stderr_dk>Then don't complain about the OS doing what the config tells it to do.
19:53<retrospectacus>terrible96: yes, or with useradd.
19:54<wheezyuser>stderr, dude .. you miss the point. The operation of ldconfig or aptitude has no business ever looking into /usr/local/lib by default and that is the issue
19:55<retrospectacus>dbcooper: this may help http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml
19:55<SamB>wheezyuser: tradition says otherwise in the case of ldconfig
19:55<terrible96>retrospectacus, but what is exactly the syntax?
19:55<SamB>at least using the default settings
19:55<wheezyuser>SamB, tradition is not a standard
19:55<stderr_dk>No, you're missing the point. The general use-case is that if you install something in /usr/local you want to use it.
19:55<retrospectacus>terrible96: I don't know, read the manual. I'm not going to do it for you
19:55<wheezyuser>stderr, right ... I the user does
19:55<SamB>I don't think ldconfig is defined in a standard?
19:55<wheezyuser>stderr, the OS shall not and should not
19:55<SamB>except maybe LSB?
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19:56<stderr_dk>wheezyuser: So the OS shouldn't know what libraries are installed?
19:56<terrible96>retrospectacus, alright
19:57<wheezyuser>SamB, really to be more out in left field .. consider a company named foobar software inc that creates software and then releases software packages and those software pieces are then installed according to well established and documented hard standards into places like /opt/foobar and /etc/opt/foobar and /var/opt/foobar then the OS has no business EVER looking there
19:57<wheezyuser>stderr, the OS has no right or business to ever get involved in things that are NOT provided by the OS vendor
19:57<SamB>wheezyuser: have you even READ the FHS?
19:57<wheezyuser>see my previous long comment
19:58<wheezyuser>SamB, uh ... yeah .. I probably wrote some of it
19:58<SamB>and sure the OS has no business poking about in /opt; that's different
19:58<stderr_dk>So if /opt/foobar/bin/foo uses a library, the OS shouldn't be able to find that library in /opt/foobar/lib/ ?
19:58<wheezyuser>stderr, RPATH
19:58<wheezyuser>stderr, RPATH solves that
19:59<wheezyuser>stderr, the OS does not need to ever go looking for a lib anywhere other than in RPATH first and then the system libs like libC etc
19:59<SamB>stderr_dk: I don't see anything in my ld.so.conf.d about /opt
19:59<wheezyuser>let me paste a sample
19:59<wheezyuser>SamB, exactly !
19:59<dbcooper>retrospectacus: Already been to that page. My issue is that xserver supposedly can detect what graphics card you have if you don't explicitly name on in your xorg.conf file. For me, that didn't happen. It just went with VESA and a 920*600 resolution. I know I need to edit xorg.conf to get it to use the SiS drivers, but after I edited the xorg.conf file, it seems to have not taken affect.
19:59<stderr_dk>So "foobar software" needs to provide that library too, even if the OS already got it?
19:59<wheezyuser>SamB, and that is correct .. however /usr/local/lib is NOT really part of the OS at all
20:00<SamB>wheezyuser: anyway, software in /usr/local doesn't normally use RPATH
20:00<wheezyuser>stderr, yes .. bingo
20:00<stderr_dk>SamB: Ok, bad example, but wheezyuser mentioned /opt/foobar
20:00<wheezyuser>stderr, the libs provided by the vendor of the software .. say Oracle for example .. must be in the RPATH
20:00<stderr_dk>wheezyuser: Why would I want to have the same library twice?
20:00<SamB>wheezyuser: it's a documented place to put stuff you expect to work
20:00<wheezyuser>stderr, is usually isn't the same lib
20:00<wheezyuser>actually .. let me paste a sample that explains why
20:01<wheezyuser>see http://paste.debian.net/15446/
20:01<wheezyuser>see those three needed libs ?
20:02<wheezyuser>see http://paste.debian.net/15447/
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20:02<wheezyuser>see how the libiconv is located via RPATH first and then it is used from the correct vendor location of /usr/local/lib
20:02<retrospectacus>dbcooper: well, I've no experience with SiS, but does /var/log/Xorg.0.log have anything to say?
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20:03<wheezyuser>now see http://paste.debian.net/15448/
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20:04<wheezyuser>the version of iconv provided inside Debian squeeze is not the version used by the GCC compiler in /usr/local/gcc4/bin
20:04<dbcooper>Sorry, I have to go right now. I'll look at it later, though. I'll probably be back on later tonight. I'm pretty sure I messed up something in my xorg.conf and that's why it's not loading the correct driver. See you guys later.
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20:04<SamB>wheezyuser: it must be SO USEFUL to have an ancient iconv in /usr/local
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20:04<terrible96>retrospectacus, i run adduser and it said
20:04<terrible96>The home directory `/home/pelicano' already exists. Not copying from `/etc/skel
20:04<wheezyuser>SamB, version 1.14 is ancient ?
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20:04<dbcooper>Oh, and before I go, why won't "dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:04<retrospectacus>terrible96: that's good.
20:04<dbcooper>why doesn't it work anymore?
20:04<terrible96>i dont want create a new user i want the old one
20:04<SamB>oh, wait
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20:04<stderr_dk>SamB: And use old libraries that doesn't get security updates.
20:04<SamB>why is one from eglibc and one not
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20:05<wheezyuser>see http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/libiconv/
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20:05<wheezyuser>that is the latest version
20:05<retrospectacus>terrible96: well you created a user with the same name. can you log in as him now?
20:05<SamB>wheezyuser: anyway I remain unconvinced that this is somehow "normal"
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20:05<terrible96>retrospectacus, but it ask me for a password
20:05<wheezyuser>stderr, dude ... are we on the same page or even in the same book
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20:05<wheezyuser>libiconv is version 1.14 which is the latest
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20:06<wheezyuser>there are no security updates to it .. it is the up to date production version
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20:06<wheezyuser>the version in Debian squeeze is from 2009 ....
20:06<stderr_dk>wheezyuser: I'm not talking about iconv.
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20:06<wheezyuser>sigh ... kids these days
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20:07<SamB>wheezyuser: no U
20:07<wheezyuser>?
20:07<retrospectacus>terrible96: of course. All users have passwords...
20:08<SamB>retrospectacus: oh really?
20:08<wheezyuser>SamB, the version of software in Debian is often out of date .. way back ... and the version that one can get directly from the FSF are production released version .. thus the libs used in custom software often have RPATH and thus use libs provided by a vendor
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20:08<retrospectacus>SamB: well, no. Don't confuse terrible96
20:08<wheezyuser>SamB, thus ... finally ... the libs in places like /usr/local/lib should NOT cause an error to aptitude etc etc
20:08<SamB>wheezyuser: it looks like your iconv isn't even from the same package as what Debian has
20:09<wheezyuser>SamB, bingo ! why is that you think ?
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20:09<wheezyuser>SamB, see http://www.gnu.org/software/libiconv/
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20:09<wheezyuser>SamB, that is libiconv .. anything else .. is NOT
20:09<jul_>Hello, I have a problem with VirtualBox and Debian Lilo/Grub were not installed ?
20:10<wheezyuser>the package in Debian .. is then ? what ? it is not libiconv is it ?
20:10<wheezyuser>SamB, what version of sed do you have right now ? do sed --version
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20:11<wheezyuser>I bet you see GNU sed version 4.2.1
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20:11<wheezyuser>SamB, still there ? folling this ? I have /usr/local/bin/sed (GNU sed) 4.2.2
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20:12<SamB>the one the maintainer quit when he released?
20:12<wheezyuser>SamB, so the final point is that custom software created to be released into production often has updated or custom libraries and thus .. ta da .. in palce in RPATH
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20:12<wheezyuser>SamB, the version of sed is here http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sed/
20:13<wheezyuser>SamB, the package maintainer for GNU sed may not update for Debian but the rest of the world moved on to 4.2.2 back in Dec
20:13<SamB>in any case, Debian does NOT encourage anyone to use RPATH
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20:13<terrible96>retrospectacus, thank man i run adduser put the same username and password and boom the user is back
20:14<retrospectacus>terrible96: boom
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20:14<terrible96>lol
20:14<wheezyuser>SamB, of course .. to keep people using libs in places in OS provided stuff .. however that works for the average user .. not for custom software devs
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20:14<nadir>i fail to see why you run debian, and especially why debian stable, and then want to run the latest and greatest software (be it from /usr/local or /opt)
20:14<retrospectacus>agree
20:14<SamB>yeah ...
20:14<stderr_dk>If you don't want to use stable, why are you using stable?
20:14<wheezyuser>nadir, the OS is a platform
20:15<SamB>what you're doing seems darn confusing
20:15<wheezyuser>nadir, upon which you can build anything .. say a custom software solution for a brokerage house that write data to Oracle database etc etc ..
20:15<nadir>debian is a distribution of software. that includes an OS, but also the applications, in the case of Debian in binary form
20:15<retrospectacus>yeah who cares if sed is 4.2.1 or 4.2.2, you're just hosing yourself
20:15<nadir>if you buy an apple, you get an apple, not an orange
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20:16<SamB>I wonder if an orange would have a more recent version of GCC though
20:16<nadir>probably
20:16<wheezyuser>wow .. okay .. I see I am dealing with new people here .. not software devs or programers or even software package release types .. so this is a loss of word to me that you can not see .. just run Microsfot Windows and be happy with what Micorsoft gives you then .. be happy with that
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20:16<retrospectacus>wheezyuser: we don't have any problems ;)
20:16<wheezyuser>logic fails
20:17<wheezyuser>no .. but Debian OS does if it is loking in places it should not
20:17<SamB>we like to keep things close to stock to avoid causing strange issues
20:17<wheezyuser>SamB, stock for the OS yet you have a version of libiconv from where? the wild west?
20:17<wheezyuser>anyways .. I see the issue ..
20:18<retrospectacus>logic would be using the software provided, and not installing random things from/to wherever... that is called frankendebian and is not supported here
20:18<wheezyuser>been a pleasure ...
20:18<retrospectacus>go use arch :)
20:18<wheezyuser>dudes .. the OS is aplatform
20:18<wheezyuser>not a solution
20:18<wheezyuser>you j u s t d o n ' t g e t i t and I see are unable
20:18<stderr_dk>SamB: Don't know, but apple would probably have iGCC.
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20:18<wheezyuser>been a pleasure
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20:19<retrospectacus>what a genius, I feel blessed
20:19<nadir>:-)
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20:22<SamB>anyway Policy says that /usr/local/lib is listed in the configuration, fwiw
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20:24<stderr_dk>Yeah, well... Policy was probably written by "new people"... :-)
20:24<SamB>no idea why it says that here, though, since this particular place is saying that ldconfig must be run by packages that install stuff in those directories and you aren't allowed to install stuff in /usr/local/lib/
20:24<retrospectacus>I wasn't really paying attention, but I think his actual problem was that py script is supposed to be in a /debug/ folder e.g. /usr/local/lib/debug/
20:24<SamB>stderr_dk: if we are new people, then we must also have new libraries
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20:25<SamB>retrospectacus: I don't think there's any particular reason it needs to go there, other than to prevent ldconfig from freaking out ...
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20:25<stderr_dk>I'm not really surprised if his system is f*'ed up...
20:26<SamB>I wonder why it doesn't complain about /usr/lib/$TRIPLET/libc.so
20:26<retrospectacus>well, various reasons for any given situation when you're talking /*/local/ but debian's libstdc++6-4.7-dbg puts it in /usr/lib/debug/
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20:27<agaida_>oha - reading the backlog. Now i'm confused
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20:32<terrible96>how can i upgrade to wheezy??
20:32<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell terrible96 about squeeze->wheezy
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20:34<benjamin>hi
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20:35<retrospectacus>hi benjamin
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20:35<benjamin>im on a raspberry pi
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20:36<dvs>!raspbian
20:36<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
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20:47<WUKONS>fastest way how to change from ip to domain to access site? domain already pointed to this ip..
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20:49<stderr_dk>What do you mean?
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20:50<WUKONS>well, as clean default server i access var/www via IP, how to dfast change it to domain?
20:50<WUKONS>fast*
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20:50<WUKONS>apache stuff right?
20:51<stderr_dk>If the hostname already pointes to the right IP-address, it should just work.
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20:52<WUKONS>hmm
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20:53<stderr_dk>If not, you need to provide more information. Like the hostname and IP-address.
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21:51<dragon>hey
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21:55<notyouu>hello
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22:48<Sargento>yo quiero fumaaaaaar
22:48<Sargento>motaaaaaa
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22:48<Sargento>yo quiero fumaaaar motaaaaa
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22:53<Infiltrator>Why doesn't ls -l (and strftime("%c")) print the date as per my locale whilst date +%c does? This is the output of locale: http://paste.debian.net/15459/
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23:10<MJX>Who can tell me that what is the wearder? how can I download it ?
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23:13<MJX>Nobody
23:13<MJX>?
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23:14<MJX>weader?
23:16<sney>the what now?
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23:19<MJX>I don't know ,wearder or weader, but I can't found any problem ,I heard that it's sell wholesale by Google
23:19<sney>I literally have no idea what you're talking about so I can't help you
23:20<MJX>Thank you very much
23:20<Infiltrator>MJX: What do you want to do with it?
23:21<sney>do you know what a weader is?
23:21<Infiltrator>sney: Might be able to deduce that from what he wants to do with it.
23:22<sney>ah, ok
23:22<sney>I agree.
23:22<MJX>Connect the satellite by telephone...
23:22<MJX>Do you know how to do it ?
23:23<Infiltrator>MJX: As in you have a satellite dish and you want to use that to make satellite phone calls from your computer?
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23:25<MJX>No,like the Live Free or Die Hard4 ,he used the NOKIA telephone to connect the satellite
23:27<MJX>It's Can be achieved
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23:28<Ignacio>Hi
23:28<Infiltrator>MJX: Is there any non-fictional base for what you're trying to achieve?
23:28<Infiltrator>MJX: As in: have you seen or heard of what you're talking about anywhere but a movie?
23:29<Infiltrator>MJX: If your answer is "no", then mine is "probably no".
23:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 556] by debhelper
23:30<Ignacio>Should I remove this repos from my sources list now that I just finishing the upgrade process to wheezy?
23:30<Ignacio>deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ wheezy main
23:30<sney>no, that's a wheezy mirror. if you're running wheezy, keep it
23:30<MJX>I found somebody can do it ,but I can't touch him.
23:30<Ignacio>Okay, thank you!
23:31<sney>MJX: this is a support channel for debian users. we are not here to fulfill your hacker fantasies. if you have a real support question, you can ask, but otherwise please leave us alone
23:31<MJX>Ok
23:33<Infiltrator>sney: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html ;)
23:33<sney>Infiltrator: I know, but the distinction is irrelevant for guys like this
23:33<sney>when I say hacker fantasies I mean like Hackers The Movie fantasies
23:34<Infiltrator>Perhaps; but we should not reinforce those misconceptions. :)
23:36<MJX>I see
23:39<Khades>wow
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23:51<entity>Thuraya made a satellite-capable case for iphone that allows you to make satellite calls ^.^
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